WEBVTT - Hour 2: Dive into the Mailbag

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<v S1>Hello, friends. Welcome to the second hour of Open Line

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<v S1>with Doctor Michael Ray Moody Radio's Bible Study Across America.

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<v S1>I'm Michael Ray Melnick, I'm professor of Jewish studies and

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<v S1>Bible at Moody, as well as the undergraduate dean. I'm

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<v S1>here today and every Saturday trying to do my best

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<v S1>to answer your Bible questions. And normally, the bulk of

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<v S1>the program is your calls with your questions about the Bible,

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<v S1>God and the spiritual life. But today it's all mailbag

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<v S1>all the time. So the best way to be in

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<v S1>touch is by going to our website, online radio.org. You

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<v S1>can post a question there. There's a link that says

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<v S1>Ask Michael a question and you can ask right there

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<v S1>and it'll come up in a future mailbag. But today

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<v S1>I'm going to be answering the questions you've sent in,

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<v S1>and not just me. Eva melnick, who's is an adjunct

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<v S1>faculty member at Moody Bible Institute, as well as a

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<v S1>contributor to the Moody Bible Commentary and Moody Handbook of

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<v S1>Messianic Prophecy. And she is also she happens to be

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<v S1>my wife, my favorite Bible teacher. She and I studied

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<v S1>the Bible together all the time. I'm glad you're here, Eva.

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<v S2>I'm so glad to be here. Yeah.

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<v S1>This way you can answer the Bible questions. You don't

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<v S1>have to text them.

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<v S2>Yeah, that's.

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<v S1>That's what they say. This is what you usually do.

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<v S1>And then also, Tricia McMillan is here. She is the

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<v S1>producer of Open Line and the person who put the

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<v S1>mailbag together. Thank you so much, Tricia. Glad you're here.

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<v S1>I love these programs. I love sitting around talking about

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<v S1>the Bible. And we were laughing the first hour about

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<v S1>how it took some time to get through those questions.

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<v S1>And the reason it took some time was because we

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<v S1>all talk about it. And I guess that's the fun part.

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<v S1>That's why it's the Bible study across America.

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<v S2>And Trish doesn't just put questions together. She's a she's

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<v S2>a graduate of Moody Bible Institute I understand. I am yeah.

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<v S2>And double graduated.

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<v S1>Bachelor's and.

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<v S2>Master's right. That's right. Yeah. That's she knows stuff.

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<v S1>Yeah I love it. There are some times when people

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<v S1>call the program and we know that we're not going

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<v S1>to get that question on the air. And Tricia will

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<v S1>get on the line and answer their question right with

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<v S1>them off the air, which I love it when you

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<v S1>do that. Yeah, yeah, when we.

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<v S3>Have time, I try. Yeah.

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<v S1>So anyway, we're going to go right back to questions.

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<v S3>Yes. And some of these are very unique ones that

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<v S3>we've not had before. And so I'm really excited to

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<v S3>hear your answers to them. So our first question is

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<v S3>from Betsy in Florida. She listens to R&amp;B. When I

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<v S3>read Jesus's answers to people's questions in the Bible, it

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<v S3>seems like they don't match the question is this because

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<v S3>of the translation? And so I wrote as one example,

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<v S3>the rich young ruler, which I forgot to write down

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<v S3>the actual verse. So I'm going to flip here to

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<v S3>mark ten, where the rich young ruler asked, good teacher

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<v S3>17 right? Yes, good teacher, what do I need to

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<v S3>do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus responds, why do

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<v S3>you call me good? Yeah. What? That's not. That wasn't

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<v S3>the point of my of my question. And then he says,

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<v S3>you know, you know all the commandments, but but it

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<v S3>often seems like Jesus, it's not just here's what you

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<v S3>do or yes or no. You know, if it's a

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<v S3>yes or no question, it's a little more involved than that.

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<v S3>And why?

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<v S1>I think that the very point, I mean, Jesus is good.

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<v S1>So why does he ask that question? Why do you

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<v S1>call me good? I think he's trying to diagnose not

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<v S1>just for himself, because obviously he knows what's inside of us.

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<v S1>Even in these interactions. He knows what's in man. It

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<v S1>says at the end of John two, but rather he

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<v S1>is helping the person think about why are they? Why

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<v S1>are you asking me this question? What are you trying

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<v S1>to do? Just butter me up? Do you really think

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<v S1>I'm good? Do you understand what I mean? What do

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<v S1>you call me? Good. Yeah, he's kind of probing. What?

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<v S1>That which he knows about the person intuitively or I

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<v S1>think omnisciently.

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<v S2>Yeah. About us.

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<v S1>Yeah. Not intuition, but Omniscience. Uh, so that's the one

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<v S1>thing that he's doing. But he often doesn't give the

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<v S1>answer that's expected. I think that that's just amazing. Uh,

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<v S1>and it serves to show how unpredictable the Messiah is. Uh,

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<v S1>I've got a book brewing that I want to write

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<v S1>about that, that when you look at how Jesus responds

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<v S1>to people, he always gives the unpredictable, unexpected answer. One

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<v S1>of my favorite examples of that is Luke 13 and

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<v S1>and the reason for that, it is it's sort of

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<v S1>an upside down view of the problem of evil. And

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<v S1>the reason I say that is it says in Luke 13, uh,

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<v S1>some people came and reported to him about the Galileans

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<v S1>whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. Apparently Pilate,

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<v S1>at their Passover sacrifices, took them, killed people, and mixed

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<v S1>their blood with the sacrifices they were offering. He was

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<v S1>a bad guy pilot, right? And he responded, do you

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<v S1>think that these Galileans were more sinful men? Sinful than

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<v S1>all Galileans, because they suffered these things? What did we

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<v S1>expect of the Messiah when they came with that sympathy? Oh,

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<v S1>I'm so sorry. This is. Wait, wait. I know what

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<v S1>your real question is. Were they worse? And that's why

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<v S1>God allowed it to happen. Do you think they were

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<v S1>more sinful than you are? And you're safe because you're

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<v S1>not sinful? No. I tell you, unless you repent, you

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<v S1>will perish as well. And then he says, or they 18.

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<v S1>Then he. Jesus raises another problem of evil. This is

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<v S1>not human evil, but natural evil. We would call it

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<v S1>a tower in Siloam fell on them and killed them.

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<v S1>Do you think they were more sinful than all the

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<v S1>other people who live in Jerusalem? No, I tell you,

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<v S1>unless you repent, you will perish as well. And then

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<v S1>he tells the story of the barren fig tree. And

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<v S1>why it is that the barren fig tree gets to

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<v S1>not be destroyed right away, which it should be, because

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<v S1>the farmer asked for patience of the owner. He says,

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<v S1>you know, I know it's not producing anything, but let

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<v S1>me give it another year. I'll, I'll, I'll put some food,

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<v S1>plant food around it. I'll fix it up and let's

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<v S1>see if we can get more fruit. It's. And the

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<v S1>decision is made to let it go for another year.

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<v S1>Out of God, out of patience. And what he is

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<v S1>saying is, the reason everyone doesn't experience evil is because

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<v S1>God is being patient. He's giving you time to repent

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<v S1>because if we all got what we deserved, we'd be

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<v S1>flashed in an instant. We'd be gone. Uh, and this

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<v S1>is an utterly unacceptable answer that focuses on God's mercy

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<v S1>despite our evil, rather than, yeah, those people were bad,

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<v S1>and that's why they got that. Do you understand? It's

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<v S1>just an upside down answer and start studying Jesus answers

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<v S1>to questions. I'd say 90% of the time he gives

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<v S1>an upside down answer.

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<v S2>Right? So these are.

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<v S3>They're not translation issues as to why there doesn't seem

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<v S3>to be a question and then a response that correlates

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<v S3>to the question.

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<v S1>It's a messianic.

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<v S2>Issue.

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<v S3>Okay.

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<v S1>It's when you're the Messiah, you know what people need

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<v S1>to hear, right? Yeah. That's, uh, I think that's it's

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<v S1>one of my favorite things as I, as I've studied

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<v S1>the Gospels, that's the thing that strikes me the most.

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<v S1>I mean, read the Good Samaritan, the story. There's no

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<v S1>such thing as a good Samaritan, right? Right. And so

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<v S1>when the Lord Jesus gives the answer about the Good Samaritan,

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<v S1>he what? That's not what we expected to hear, right? Uh,

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<v S1>in the first century, there was no expectation that there

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<v S1>was one good Samaritan. And the Lord Jesus tells that story.

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<v S1>Who's the true neighbor? So, yeah, it's I love that.

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<v S1>It's It's there's so many things I love about the

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<v S1>Lord Jesus, but when I study these, I'm thinking, wow,

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<v S1>this is just great. And as a teacher, one of

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<v S1>the things I've tried to do is sometimes when when

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<v S1>students ask questions in class, I try to answer not

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<v S1>the question that they're asking as well. In addition, I

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<v S1>want to answer the question that they're really asking the.

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<v S2>Question behind the question. Question behind the question.

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<v S3>And I think you do that on Open Line. We'll

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<v S3>talk about that sometimes off the air. Yeah. That there's

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<v S3>there's often a question behind a question that we, that

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<v S3>we really want to know.

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<v S2>Yeah.

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<v S1>Yeah yeah. That's what I do. Sometimes I'll probe for

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<v S1>it and sometimes I'll just answer it. I know right. Yeah.

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<v S1>But that's, that's because I've watched the model of the.

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<v S3>Lord and I've studied it. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Thank you

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<v S3>for that question, Betsy. Our next question is from George

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<v S3>on Facebook and Matthew 20 1028. Sorry, Matthew ten verse 28.

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<v S3>It says, don't fear those who kill the body but

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<v S3>are not able to kill the soul. Rather, fear him

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<v S3>who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

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<v S3>What does this mean? It seems to say that the

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<v S3>body and soul will be destroyed in hell, and that

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<v S3>those who go there won't suffer for eternity. Is that

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<v S3>what it's saying? What is he trying to say?

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<v S1>The question here is about Annihilationism. There are some people

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<v S1>who teach that eternal separation from God is that those

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<v S1>who are lost will just be after some time of suffering.

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<v S1>They'll be poof, gone, annihilated, and then, and thereby they

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<v S1>are eternally separated from God. Uh, I I, I think

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<v S1>that some people feel that's preferable. Uh, I'm not sure,

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<v S1>but I what I would want to do is stick

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<v S1>to the text, what it's talking about when it talks

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<v S1>about destroy the soul, or that's talking about eternal, perpetual,

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<v S1>never ending destruction. It's the forever process. And, uh, there's

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<v S1>a verse.

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<v S2>In that revelation 1411. Sure. Um, that kind of sort

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<v S2>of speaks to that. Hang on. Let me let me

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<v S2>find revelation. Where is that? In the Bible. Oh, it's

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<v S2>near the end. The end. Toward the end. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Here.

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<v S2>Hang on. All right. 1411 says, and the smoke of

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<v S2>their torment goes up forever and ever. Those who worship

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<v S2>the beast and his image. And whoever receives the mark

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<v S2>of his name. That's sort of a picture of what

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<v S2>eternal torment is right there at the end.

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<v S1>It never stops.

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<v S2>It's never stopping. It's not annihilationism, but it is perpetual suffering.

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<v S1>And and, you know, in Isaiah 56. I think that's interesting.

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<v S1>This is not just a New Testament concept. It's also

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<v S1>an Old Testament concept. And also there's the verses that

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<v S1>Lord Jesus says, where, uh, where the worm doesn't cease,

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<v S1>you know, and it's just that it's a forever ever thing. But, uh,

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<v S1>and the fire never is quenched. Uh, but in Isaiah,

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<v S1>let's see if I can actually find it in Isaiah 56. Uh,

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<v S1>I think it is it unless I'm I'm wrong, I'm

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<v S1>probably wrong. Uh, but there's a verse in it that

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<v S1>also talks about it. It's I'm sorry, Isaiah 66. How's that? Yeah.

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<v S2>That's that sounds good.

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<v S1>That sounds says, uh, they will see the dead bodies

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<v S1>of the men who have rebelled against me, for their

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<v S1>worm will never die. Their fire will never go out,

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<v S1>and they will be a horror to all mankind. So

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<v S1>it's not just talking about their bodies there. It's talking

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<v S1>about perpetual, eternal separation from God. Uh, Isaiah 66, verse 24. So, uh,

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<v S1>let me just I'm going to try and pull this around.

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<v S1>One of the most heartbreaking things is that people who

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<v S1>were created to have eternal fellowship with God are because

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<v S1>of sinfulness and rebellion against God, are going to be

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<v S1>separated from him forever. And I have seen too many

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<v S1>followers of Jesus kind of. When they get mad at

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<v S1>people who don't know the Lord, they kind of gloat

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<v S1>about this. You'll see. All right. But this should be

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<v S1>the most heartbreaking thing that we've ever, ever encountered in Scripture,

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<v S1>and it should be the great motivation that we're going to.

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<v S1>Present the good news of Messiah and how much God

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<v S1>And so she also invited Eva Radulovic to be here

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<v S2>So, yeah, here we go. Having a good time.

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<v S3>I love our Bible studies together and I love answering

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<v S3>people's questions. So our next one is from Kenneth in Illinois,

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<v S3>listens to WNBA. He is looking at John 14 two,

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<v S3>which is when Jesus says he's going to prepare a

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<v S3>place for us or for for them. Um, and he says,

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<v S3>I've been bothered for many years by the translation because

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<v S3>there are two different translations on this verse. One says,

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<v S3>if it were not, so would I have told you

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<v S3>that I go to prepare a place for you? This

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<v S3>makes sense to him, he says. The other translations reverse

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<v S3>take away the question to make it a statement and

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<v S3>kind of reverse the meaning almost. And it says if

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<v S3>it if it were not so, I would have told you.

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<v S3>But there are a lot of statements that are not so.

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<v S3>And Jesus doesn't tell us those. So which is the

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<v S3>more accurate translation?

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<v S1>Well, I'm going to just read it to you. Okay.

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<v S3>Now just to clarify, this is you translating the Greek

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<v S3>on the air. Yeah. That's it. Okay.

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<v S1>Uh, in my father's house, there are many rooms. Many

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<v S1>people say mansions. No. It's rooms.

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<v S3>Maybe mansions is a nice idea. Yeah, it's.

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<v S1>Actually apartments, to be clear. Dwelling places. All right. And

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<v S1>then it says if it were not so, then I

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<v S1>would have told you. For I go to prepare a

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<v S1>place for you. That's it. Then I would have told you.

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<v S1>That's what I would have told you. So that's it?

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<v S1>I'm reading it.

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<v S3>But why would he go to the trouble of telling you, hey,

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<v S3>I'm going to make a place. Because if I wasn't

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<v S3>making a place, I would have told you I wasn't

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<v S3>making a place.

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<v S1>He's the one that's been telling them all about eternal life.

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<v S1>And if I wasn't going to do this, if you're

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<v S1>going to be hanging around, floating on a cloud with

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<v S1>your little harp, I would have told you. But no,

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<v S1>I'm actually going to prepare a place for you. I'm

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<v S1>not leaving you behind. Not to bring you back with me.

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<v S1>I'm going to make a place for you. That's why

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<v S1>I'm going ahead.

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<v S3>Okay, so I would have told you what was going

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<v S3>to happen. Yeah, because if it wasn't this other way.

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<v S3>This way that I have been telling you, I would

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<v S3>have told you that. Because I would have told you

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<v S3>what was actually going to happen.

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<v S2>Yeah, yeah.

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<v S3>That's okay. So I haven't been lying to you this

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<v S3>whole time.

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<v S2>Exactly right.

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<v S3>That's basically what he's saying. Yeah. Okay. Well, I hope

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<v S3>that clears that up. Kenneth, um, when I saw your question,

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<v S3>I was like, yeah, that's a great question. Because even

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<v S3>in my notes in my Bible, it has a little

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<v S3>footnote that says and some translations say this. And so

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<v S3>it is confusing to know which is the right. Why

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<v S3>did some put a question mark in there just to

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<v S3>make it seem make more sense?

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<v S1>For example, the translation I worked on, which was the

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<v S1>CSB once. Once it was all in, the editors were

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<v S1>reworking it and making sure everything was right. They had

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<v S1>an English stylist who makes sure that it's I mean,

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<v S1>it really says the same thing either way, but making

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<v S1>it so that that's what they have. They always have

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<v S1>an English stylist trying to make sure that it's understandable

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<v S1>to the English reader. Okay, to.

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<v S3>To have the least amount of confusion with what they're reading. Okay.

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<v S3>All right. So kind of related to that, Nathan in

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<v S3>Washington listens to me and wants to know are the

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<v S3>kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven the same

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<v S3>thing or are they different? We have Jesus teaching about both. Um,

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<v S3>in the New Testament, in the Gospels, are they the

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<v S3>same thing or are they different things?

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<v S1>Well, uh, first of all, there are there were interpreters

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<v S1>in the early 20th century and late 19th century that

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<v S1>treated the kingdom of heaven as it was used in

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<v S1>the Gospel of Matthew as something distinct from the From

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<v S1>the Kingdom of God in the other gospels. And the

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<v S1>problem with that is they don't understand that Matthew was

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<v S1>written to Jews, and that Jewish people often used a

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<v S1>euphemism for the word God, and the euphemism that was

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<v S1>commonly used was heaven, because that's God's abode. So you

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<v S1>can talk about where God is. The kingdom of heaven

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<v S1>and the kingdom of God are exactly the same thing. Uh,

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<v S1>does that make sense? Uh, so.

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<v S3>Yes. So instead of saying his name. Yes. Because he

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<v S3>was the one who cannot be named. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

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<v S3>So they would say heaven.

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<v S1>The ineffable name of God, the unpronounceable, unspeakable name of.

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<v S3>God that we talked about last hour.

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<v S2>Yeah.

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<v S1>Then then what you do is you say, uh, heaven.

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<v S2>Heaven, the kingdom of heaven. And you say it's mostly

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<v S2>in Matthew where the phrase appears. Yes. Because Matthew is

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<v S2>a very Jewish gospel.

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<v S1>Yeah. Writing to Jewish people. And so Matthew is using

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<v S1>the euphemism kingdom of heaven. Now, what is the kingdom?

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<v S1>The kingdom is the rulership of God. And, uh, what

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<v S1>what that refers to. Now there is a sense where

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<v S1>God is our ruler, our king, right now. Um, but

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<v S1>very often in Scripture, when it talks about what the

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<v S1>kingdom of heaven will be like, it's also a very

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<v S1>Jewish idea, which is the mouth of God. Uh, when

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<v S1>is that going to come? Eva, you should tell us.

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<v S2>The kingdom, the ultimate kingdom. When Messiah comes and reigns

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<v S2>on the throne of David for a thousand years. Yeah. So?

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<v S1>So in a sense, we have the beginning of it now.

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<v S2>It's now. Not yet. Yeah. But now. Not yet. Yeah.

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<v S1>Because he's reigning over us spiritually. Mhm. So the kingdom

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<v S1>of heaven is among us, right. But one day he's

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<v S1>going to be really among us, ruling us at the

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<v S1>kingdom of heaven or the kingdom of God. Uh, when

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<v S1>he reigns from Jerusalem.

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<v S3>So is it a similar idea to sanctification that we

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<v S3>are sanctified? But we are. We are still always in

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<v S3>the process of being sanctified. Yeah, it's in the same way, the.

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<v S2>Same kind of idea.

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<v S3>There's a a now lesser version, but there will be

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<v S3>a completed version later. I see what you mean in

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<v S3>terms of the Kingdom. Yeah, there's.

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<v S1>The the present sanctification, which is a process and ultimate sanctification,

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<v S1>which is when we're glorified. Okay.

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<v S3>So in the same way, this, this kingdom, we are

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<v S3>in the kingdom of the kingdom.

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<v S1>Spiritually, in this kingdom, obviously, he's reigning over us. He's

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<v S1>our king. Okay. Right. But then there will.

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<v S3>Be an ultimate the at the millennial reign. Yeah. The king.

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<v S3>The ultimate kingdom of God. Yeah.

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<v S2>The the lion and the lamb are not lying down together.

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<v S2>There's no end of war. Now. Right now. Yeah. You know,

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<v S2>death is common now. Won't be common then.

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<v S3>Okay. So with this, thinking about the kingdom of God,

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<v S3>is this part of with this language or the kingdom

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<v S3>of heaven? Is this kind of lumped not lumped. Is

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<v S3>this kind of connected to the the king, the reigning

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<v S3>ruling king that they were expecting of the Messiah? Yeah.

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<v S3>So like his.

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<v S1>Lord Jesus deals with this. They expected the Messiah to

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<v S1>come and kick out the Romans and establish peaceful reign

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<v S1>with Israel at the head of the nations, and what

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<v S1>the Lord Jesus says was right now we've got a

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<v S1>spiritual kingdom for you. Okay. Uh, and you can experience

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<v S1>spiritual peace if you believe in the Messiah. I will

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<v S1>reign over you now, but ultimately I'm going to return,

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<v S1>and then I'm going to establish that kingdom of peace

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<v S1>on earth. Okay. And so that. That's what it is. Okay.

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<v S3>Yeah. All right. Thank you.

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<v S2>And I think that's a little bit of why why

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<v S2>Jesus is talking about in the, in the least, uh,

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<v S2>favorite promise to claim in John 1633 when he says

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<v S2>these things, I have spoken to you so that in

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<v S2>me you may have peace. In the world you will

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<v S2>have tribulation. But but be encouraged. I have overcome the world.

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<v S1>Yeah. He's our king.

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<v S2>He's our king now. Right.

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<v S3>All right. Thank you for that question, Nathan. Randolph in

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<v S3>South Carolina, listen to the Good News Network. Um, and

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<v S3>says that Paul appeals to Caesar in acts because of

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<v S3>his Roman citizenship. The Jewish people bring Jesus before Pontius Pilate. Um,

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<v S3>who was Roman? Right. Roman ruler. Okay. So was Jesus

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<v S3>a Roman citizen also? Pontius Pilate gave his verdict that

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<v S3>he found no laws of Rome were broken by Jesus.

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<v S3>What was Paul born in Rome? I mean, like, what's

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<v S3>the difference between the two that he could claim that?

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<v S3>Could could any Jewish person under this Roman jurisdiction that

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<v S3>they were living in claim that.

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<v S1>Only American, an American, would ask this.

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<v S2>Question.

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<v S1>Because we have birthright citizenship if we're born in America. Yeah,

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<v S1>we're citizens of America, right? It's the Roman Empire. Did

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<v S1>not have birthright citizenship. Okay?

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<v S2>Yeah. If you were born in the Roman Empire, it

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<v S2>didn't give you birthright citizenship.

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<v S3>Yeah. So then how was Paul, a Roman citizen?

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<v S1>Well, either. Probably his father purchased it. Oh, uh, there

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<v S1>were certain things that you could do. Remember when Paul

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<v S1>says that he's a Roman citizen citizen, and he says, uh,

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<v S1>you you purchased your citizenship? I think he says to

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<v S1>a centurion, but I was born a citizen. So probably

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<v S1>his father purchased it. And and Paul was born into

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<v S1>that because it is passed down to your children. Okay. But, uh,

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<v S1>everyone is born in the Roman Empire. Was not a citizen.

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<v S1>Sometimes the emperors would grant soldiers from other countries that

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<v S1>joined the Roman army citizenship as a gift for, uh,

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<v S1>you know, they didn't get the GI Bill. What they

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<v S1>got was, was citizenship. Okay. And the And the privileges

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<v S1>of that. So he was under the Lord. Jesus was

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<v S1>under the governance of Rome because Rome was governing Judea.

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<v S1>And that's why he was brought to Pontius Pilate. Someone

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<v S1>would say governance. Some would say oppression. But nevertheless, they

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<v S1>were governing authority in Judea. Um, on the other hand,

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<v S1>he was not a citizen. Uh, so he could not

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<v S1>have claimed I appeal to Caesar, as Paul did. Okay. Uh,

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<v S1>later on in the book of acts, because he was.

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<v S1>Paul could do that because he was a Roman citizen.

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<v S1>But the Lord Jesus was just a he was Jewish

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<v S1>from Israel.

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<v S3>Okay. And had not purchased a Roman citizenship.

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<v S2>And there were certain there were certain, um, Roman cities,

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<v S2>cities that they had jurisdiction over where the people who

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<v S2>were from those cities had colonies. Yeah. Colonies that had citizenship. Yeah. Okay.

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<v S2>Like Tarsus or like Philippi. There were I don't.

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<v S1>Know if Tarsus was was a colony, but Philippi.

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<v S2>Philippi. Yeah. So, so.

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<v S3>But the the land of Israel was not.

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<v S2>Was not okay.

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<v S3>All right.

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<v S1>Thank you.

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<v S3>That helpful. Yes.

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<v S1>Very and sherwin-white Roman citizenship and law I think. Yeah. Right.

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<v S1>Is the name of the book. Anyway, uh, we're going

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<v S1>to come right back with more of your questions. These

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<v S1>are such great questions about the Lord Jesus. Maybe we'll

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<v S1>have more, I don't know, but the questions about the Bible,

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<v S1>of Open Line. Uh, Eva Dolnick is here with me

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<v S1>and so is Trish McMillan. And you have contributed greatly

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<v S1>by sending in all these questions. And so we're going

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<v S1>to try and get right back to it. Tricia what

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<v S1>have we got next?

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<v S3>All right. David from Illinois listens to me and said,

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<v S3>I recently heard about a deliverance ministry and the main

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<v S3>scripture that they use to support the power to cast

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<v S3>out demons is from Mark 16 verse 17. Is this

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<v S3>verse speaking to all believers, or was it just for

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<v S3>certain believers?

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<v S1>Well what? Mark 16 verse 17 says, uh, has to

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<v S1>do with us casting out demons. Now, before we do

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<v S1>anything else, let me explain what deliverance ministry is. It

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<v S1>generally says that when we keep on sinning, it's because

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<v S1>there are demons controlling believers. The Bible says greater is

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<v S1>he who is in you than he is in the world.

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<v S1>I don't think that certainly demons and Satan can have influence, oppress,

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<v S1>attack believers, but I do not believe they. It's reasonable

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<v S1>to cast demons out of followers of Jesus because God

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<v S1>possesses us, not demons. And so, uh, the, the verse

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<v S1>that he's speaking of these signs will accompany those who

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<v S1>believe in my name. They will drive out demons. Well,

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<v S1>that doesn't say whether it's in believers or not. Now,

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<v S1>the problem with deliverance ministry is it does say that

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<v S1>it is driving demons out of followers of Jesus. And

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<v S1>so I think that's one problem. Second issue is this

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<v S1>is an interesting passage because it is part of the Addendum,

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<v S1>so to speak, that some scribe put onto the gospel

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<v S1>of Mark. And it's I don't believe it's part of

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<v S1>the earliest and best manuscripts. And the footnote in mine

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<v S1>says in this bracketed area it says verses nine through 20.

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<v S1>Many manuscripts omit bracketed text. So that's what I would say. However,

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<v S1>one of the most important lessons about deliverance ministry I

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<v S1>find in the book of Ephesians when it talks about

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<v S1>us being involved in spiritual warfare. When I look at

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<v S1>that passage in Ephesians six, it doesn't say that we

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<v S1>are to. Cast out demons. It says, this is why

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<v S1>you must take up the full armor of God, so

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<v S1>that you may be able to resist in the evil day.

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<v S1>And then it even use uses the word stand or

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<v S1>stand against, which is the same root as resist. In

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<v S1>this passage. And then. Ever. Ever.

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<v S2>What was that? Wait, wait, what was. What was that

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<v S2>Ephesians passage for people to write down at home?

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<v S1>It's Ephesians chapter six, verses 13 and following. Yep. And

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<v S1>then you've got a verse for us too, don't you?

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<v S2>I do, I do. Um, in first Peter it says

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<v S2>chapter five, uh, first Peter chapter five, verse eight and nine,

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<v S2>it says, be sober. Be of sober spirit. Be on

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<v S2>the alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a

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<v S2>roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. But resist him, firm

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<v S2>in your faith, knowing that the same experienced suffering is

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<v S2>being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world.

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<v S1>So what are you supposed to do when when he

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<v S1>seeks to devour us?

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<v S2>It doesn't say cast out. What does it say? Resist.

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<v S1>Don't remove. Resist.

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<v S2>Resist, resist. And what are you supposed to be firm

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<v S2>in your faith.

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<v S1>Yeah, but what's the key word, though?

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<v S2>Resist.

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<v S1>And.

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<v S3>Tricia. Yeah. James four seven says, therefore, submit to God.

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<v S3>But resist the devil and he will flee from you.

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<v S3>And then verse eight says, draw near to God, and

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<v S3>he will draw near to you.

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<v S1>Yeah. Okay. But resist.

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<v S3>The devil, and he will flee from.

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<v S1>You. Exactly. So when we talk about spiritual warfare, Ephesians

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<v S1>six first Peter five James four, it's not remove the

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<v S1>devil and then you won't sin. What is.

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<v S3>It?

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<v S1>Resist, resist, resist. Stand against. And how do we resist?

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<v S1>We resist with the Word of God. We can even

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<v S1>quote it. We can resist.

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<v S3>Well, and that's what Jesus did at his temptation. Exactly.

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<v S3>He quoted the word of God back.

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<v S1>And we can resist, uh, by putting on the armor

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<v S1>of God. Uh, there are so many things we can do,

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<v S1>but what we can't do is we can't cast out

0:31:11.100 --> 0:31:18.920
<v S1>the flesh. But we can resist the enemy. So that's, uh,

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<v S1>by the way, I just think that's one of the

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<v S1>great lessons that we. It's easy to say, I was

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<v S1>just going to cast out this demon, and then I

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<v S1>won't have the, you know, problem with gluttony anymore. No.

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<v S1>Go on a diet. There we go.

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<v S3>So thank you for that question, David. Related to this,

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<v S3>Sharon wrote us on Facebook and wanted to know what

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<v S3>the reasoning behind the order of putting on each piece

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<v S3>of the armor of God is in Ephesians six. Um,

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<v S3>she has prayed, starting head to toe, but that doesn't

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<v S3>seem to be what the Bible is teaching. Can you

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<v S3>kind of go through what the. Is there a reasoning

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<v S3>behind the order in Ephesians six verses 13?

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<v S1>Well, I'm not sure if the I can say that

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<v S1>there's an exact order, but I think when it says

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<v S1>put on the armor of God, wouldn't you say it's

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<v S1>much more of a practical lifestyle than praying something on?

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<v S1>We don't pray on the armor. What we do is, Uh,

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<v S1>it says stand or, uh, the idea of resist against stand,

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<v S1>therefore with truth like a belt. So what we need

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<v S1>to do is live our lives based on the truth,

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<v S1>and then, uh, righteousness. Like armor. Like armor on your chest.

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<v S1>We have to, uh, I think, experience righteousness, which would

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<v S1>be justification by faith in Jesus and then living in

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<v S1>accordance with that. Uh, and have our feet. You can

0:32:46.420 --> 0:32:49.620
<v S1>go through it sandaled with readiness of the gospel. So

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<v S1>we have to be ready to go and tell anyone

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<v S1>about Jesus. These are lifestyle situations. So often people think,

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<v S1>if I just pray this, then I'm safe in in

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<v S1>spiritual warfare. No, this requires a lifestyle that affects how we,

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<v S1>the way we live, is how we will be successful

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<v S1>in spiritual warfare.

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<v S2>Yeah, and I think it think it has to do

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<v S2>just exactly like you say that it is. It is

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<v S2>a lifestyle that allows us to stand firm. I think

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<v S2>that's that's the big word that we see over here

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<v S2>in this.

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<v S1>Which is related to the word.

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<v S2>Resist. The word resist. Right. And I don't think that

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<v S2>it's like you say, it's not like a, it's not

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<v S2>like a, a code for how you should be, what

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<v S2>you should do for a second and third. I think

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<v S2>these are all things that should be done all the time.

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<v S1>Normal lifestyle, normal lifestyle. What I think is so funny

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<v S1>is that people would like I think this is just

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<v S1>my nature. I'm not trying to criticize others. I would

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<v S1>like an easy answer to the issue of sin.

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<v S2>Yes, I.

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<v S1>Would like I would like it. Just, you know, if

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<v S1>I just.

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<v S3>Take this pill and you won't see anymore, I.

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<v S1>Just pray on this, this, these things and I'll be

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<v S1>I'll be good, you know? But this is talking about

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<v S1>having a transformed life, which happens through prayer, I think

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<v S1>is one of those spiritual disciplines, but other spiritual disciplines

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<v S1>as well that as we practice spiritual disciplines, God uses

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<v S1>that so that we can live a righteous life as

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<v S1>we do. As we practice spiritual disciplines and seek openings

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<v S1>to share the gospel, we have our feet shod with

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<v S1>the gospel of peace.

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<v S2>So I think another thing that's interesting about this passage

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<v S2>is that it it it's so many of these different

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<v S2>items are quotations from the book of Isaiah. Oh, yeah.

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<v S2>I think that is very interesting too, because it shows that,

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<v S2>you know, all the Bible is important, all the Bible

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<v S2>is applicable. We need to spend time in it to

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<v S2>get to know him in order to stand firm.

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<v S1>I think sometimes Paul was reading Isaiah when he wrote

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<v S1>that I wonder too.

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<v S3>So anyway.

0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:53.799
<v S1>But yeah, that's that's I think the key I've heard

0:34:53.800 --> 0:34:55.920
<v S1>many people say just pray on the armor of God. Well,

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:57.839
<v S1>you can do it. It's not going to help. What

0:34:57.840 --> 0:35:00.040
<v S1>you have to do is live the armor of God.

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<v S1>And that comes with, uh, practicing spiritual disciplines.

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<v S3>All right. Thank you for that.

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<v S1>Yeah. Let's take a break. All right. We're going to

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<v S1>come back with more of your questions In just a moment. Uh,

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<v S1>answering questions. Tricia is asking and also answering questions. Appreciate that. Uh,

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<v S1>and I'm going to be right back. I'm Michael Ray Dominic.

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<v S3>All right. Our next question is actually I'm combining two questions.

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<v S3>One from Kristen in Tennessee. One from Gordon in Florida,

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<v S3>who are both trying to talk with friends about their faith.

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<v S3>And their friends are raising concerns and saying that the

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<v S3>Bible is untrustworthy because it's been edited so many times

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<v S3>that you can't trust what it says, or that they've

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<v S3>made up stuff after the fact that's been put into

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<v S3>the Bible. Um, how could they respond to this? And

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<v S3>are there any resources you would recommend that would help

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<v S3>assess the accuracy of the Bible to show that inerrancy

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<v S3>and that it's trustworthy?

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<v S1>Well, I'm going to just say Eva's like she's so

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<v S1>big on history and geography. And yeah.

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<v S2>I think that's one of the reasons that we can

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<v S2>have real confidence in our faith is because it is

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<v S2>based in time and history, geography. But as far as

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<v S2>the as the manuscripts themselves, the reliability of the manuscripts.

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<v S2>I'll just talk about the Old Testament for just a minute.

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<v S2>Michael can maybe pick it up on the new. But

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<v S2>I think one of the greatest evidences for the reliability

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<v S2>and accuracy of the scriptures as we have it was

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<v S2>the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls. And they were

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<v S2>discovered in 1947, in Qumran by the Dead Sea. And

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<v S2>those manuscripts that had been hidden there before the Roman

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<v S2>destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. these manuscripts date back to, say,

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<v S2>200 BC, B.C., 200 years before the Messiah came. They

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<v S2>are virtually the manuscripts that have been found and translated

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<v S2>word for word, for the documents that we have in

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<v S2>our Bibles today. They're very little.

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<v S1>Difference. And before that, the earliest Old Testament was like.

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<v S2>About 1100 A.D..

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<v S1>Yeah, about a thousand, let's say. So. So it threw

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<v S1>back the manuscripts more than a thousand years. And they're

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<v S1>still the.

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<v S2>Same, and they're the same.

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<v S1>So there wasn't any corruption that was happening. Now you

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<v S1>could find there's a textual variant or this or that,

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<v S1>but that's the great thing. One of the reasons why

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<v S1>the New Testament, I could say is accurate is that

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<v S1>we have so many manuscripts. Right? And with all these manuscripts,

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<v S1>you can see the variants. But even when there's a variant,

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<v S1>it's so textual criticism, it only affects less than 1%

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<v S1>of the New Testament in terms of anything. And even

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<v S1>then it's so easy. So it might be something about

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<v S1>it might say our or your and they are used synonymously.

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<v S1>That's a good bit of the differences. And then there

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<v S1>are things when we look at those manuscripts, if I

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<v S1>sent you ten notes written by ten students and they

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<v S1>all say, happy birthday, Tricia, and each one spells happy

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<v S1>birthday wrong, but in a different way. Okay, we still

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<v S1>know what the original note that they copied said, which

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<v S1>was happy birthday. Happy birthday. And that's what we have.

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<v S1>We have so many variants with the New Testament, so

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<v S1>many manuscripts. When we put them all together, we know

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<v S1>what this original was. So it is accurate and strong.

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<v S2>Yeah. If there are two, two books that you want

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<v S2>to think about that you might want to pick up

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<v S2>and read for yourself. It's one is seven Reasons Why

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<v S2>We Can Trust the Bible by Doctor Erwin Lutzer, published

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<v S2>by Moody Press. And if you want to go publishers,

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<v S2>Moody publishers. I'm living in the past. Yeah. And and

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<v S2>also Josh McDowell's book on evidence that a man's verdict

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<v S2>has a very strong presentation of the reliability of the

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<v S2>New Testament and Old Testament text, the.

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<v S1>New evidence that demands a.

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<v S3>Verdict, the new evidence. Because that's a revised version, right? Okay.

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<v S3>The new evidence that demands a verdict by Josh McDowell

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<v S3>and seven reasons Why we can trust the Bible by

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<v S3>Erwin Lutzer. Mhm. Okay. All right. Thank you for that.

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<v S3>Our next question is kind of related. Um, James in

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<v S3>South Carolina says Paul states to Timothy that all scripture

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<v S3>is given by inspiration of God. But it seems he

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<v S3>could have only been referring to the Old Testament, right?

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<v S3>So based on that, he's in the New Testament because

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<v S3>otherwise it's a source quoting a source. But why do

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<v S3>we assume then, that the New Testament is inspired? Um,

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<v S3>and then do we have evidence that God guided the

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<v S3>hands when selecting the canon? So when when determining which

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<v S3>books went into the Bible, how do we know that that's.

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<v S1>Well, one of the things that that one of my

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<v S1>favorite verses in First Peter is where Peter talks about

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<v S1>Paul's writings and what he says. Let's see.

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<v S2>Second Peter three.

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<v S1>Second Peter three. Yeah. Verse 16. Uh, he says uh,

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<v S1>about uh, just as our dear brother Paul has written

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<v S1>to you, according to the wisdom given to him, he

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<v S1>speaks about these things in all his letters, in which

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<v S1>there are some matters that are hard to understand. Well, yeah,

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<v S1>I've read Romans. There are hard things in there. Uh,

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<v S1>the untaught and unstable twist them to their own destruction,

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<v S1>as they also do with the rest of the scriptures.

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<v S1>So what is Peter doing with Paul's writings? He's equating

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<v S1>them with the rest of the scriptures. So here we

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<v S1>have a very early epistle by the Apostle Peter, and

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<v S1>he recognizes the Apostle Paul's writings as Scripture. And so,

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<v S1>you know, when Paul says, all Scripture is inspired, whether

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<v S1>he was just mainly talking about the Old Testament or not, uh,

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<v S1>that's one thing. But he also is included in Scripture

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<v S1>himself by the apostle Paul. Uh, Peter, Apostle Peter. Right. So, uh,

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<v S1>I think that is one of the things that is

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<v S1>really important to see that the whole New Testament was

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<v S1>considered inspired. Uh, and.

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<v S2>Yes, and also like really early in this, in this

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<v S2>very chapter, the first couple verses of Second Peter three says,

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<v S2>this is now beloved, the second letter I am writing

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<v S2>to you, in which I am stirring up your sincere

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<v S2>mind by way of a reminder that you should remember

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<v S2>the words spoken beforehand by the holy prophets. That'd be

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<v S2>like the Old Testament, right? And the commandment of the

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<v S2>Lord and Savior spoken by your apostles. So it's linking

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<v S2>the the reliability and scriptural nature of the Old and

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<v S2>New Testament. Yeah.

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<v S1>And then Paul writes, this is kind of interesting because

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<v S1>in first Timothy. Uh, second Timothy 316, we've got that

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<v S1>he's talking about the Old Testament. But in first Timothy

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<v S1>518 he says, uh, for the Scripture says, do not

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<v S1>muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.

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<v S4>Green.

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<v S1>That's actually Deuteronomy 25 four is from the Torah, and

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<v S1>the worker is worthy of his wages. That's Luke ten seven.

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<v S1>So what Paul is saying, the Scripture says, what does

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<v S1>he include both Old Testament and New Testament? So that's important.

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<v S3>All right. And then what, um, how do we know?

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<v S3>Do we have evidence that when selecting the canon and

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<v S3>the books that belong in there, that God was guiding

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<v S3>the hands that did that?

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<v S5>Well, it just seems to me.

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<v S1>How do you know when a book is in the

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<v S1>canon is if it's inspired? And when the books were written,

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<v S1>they were immediately received by the churches as inspired scripture.

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<v S1>And that's what what it was. So that by the

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<v S1>time you come to the late fourth century, when Athanasius

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<v S1>gives his Easter letter, he is not determining the canon.

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<v S1>He is recognizing what has been the canon. You can

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<v S1>see it, by the way, the Church Fathers have quoted

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<v S1>the scriptures and they recognize the New Testament. They quote

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<v S1>virtually every New Testament book as scripture. Okay.

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<v S2>Let me just say, I encourage you to pick up

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<v S2>Pastor Luther's book on the seven reasons why we can

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<v S2>trust the Bible and understand what he's saying there. And

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<v S2>don't look to Dan Brown in The Da Vinci Code

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<v S2>for the origin of the canon or any of that,

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<v S2>because Dan Brown and Da Vinci Code completely, completely wrong. Mhm.

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<v S3>All right. Thank you.

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<v S1>Yeah.

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<v S3>Well do you want to try and squeeze this.

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<v S1>I'll answer so quick.

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<v S3>Okay. Sharon in Indiana wants to say she appreciates the program.

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<v S3>Matthew 121 Joseph is directed to name the baby Jesus. Um,

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<v S3>and it cites Isaiah where the name they're supposed to

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<v S3>name him is Emmanuel. Why do we address him as

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<v S3>Jesus instead of Emmanuel?

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<v S1>Well, Emmanuel was a throne title, just like in second

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<v S1>Samuel 1224, Solomon was given the throne title of Jedidiah

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<v S1>or Friend of God. So that Is is why Immanuel

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<v S1>is a throne title, but Jesus is the personal name

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<v S1>that he was to give. But let me just say,

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<v S1>Jesus as the Messiah is still Emmanuel, not just at

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<v S1>Christmas time. He is always God with us if we

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<v S1>put our trust in him. If we believe that he

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<v S1>died for our sins and rose again, he will be

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<v S1>Messiah in us. He will live in us and never

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<v S1>leave us. That's the good news, isn't it? Well, we're

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<v S1>going to say goodbye now. Yes. Can't believe the program

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<v S1>is over. But it is. Keep in touch with open line.

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<v S1>First of all, thanks, Eva. Thanks, Trish, for for joining

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<v S1>for this day. And also check out our website open

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<v S1>Line radio.org has all the links you're looking for. Keep

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