1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:12,800 S1: Today at the Radio backyard fence A story of restoration, redemption, reclamation, forgiveness. 2 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,400 S1: And if that's not enough for you, we're going to 3 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,720 S1: throw in a little bit of hope, too. A story 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:22,080 S1: that proves, again, nothing and no one is too broken 5 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,840 S1: for Jesus to restore. And if you feel broken and 6 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:30,040 S1: hopeless today, if you're running away from the father, this 7 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:34,640 S1: conversation is for you. If you are praying for someone 8 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,240 S1: and their life feels so very far from God, don't 9 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,080 S1: give up. Number one. Number two, don't miss the story 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,720 S1: of Steven McWhirter today on Chris Fabry Live. The program 11 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:47,960 S1: from the heart to the heart for the heart. Find 12 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:52,000 S1: out more about him, our featured resource and these conversations 13 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:58,480 S1: at the website. Chris. Chris. First, a thank you to 14 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,080 S1: the team of Ryan McConaughey doing all things technical. Trish 15 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,520 S1: is our producer. Lisa's helping out. Josh will be answering 16 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,000 S1: your calls if you want to talk with Steven. Are 17 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,360 S1: you ready for a love language breakthrough? You know your 18 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,080 S1: spouse's love language, but you're still not getting through. Gary 19 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,400 S1: and the parrots have teamed up for a new book 20 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,800 S1: that just released. I want to send you a copy, 21 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,720 S1: but hurry. This offer is only good now for less 22 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,319 S1: than two weeks. Title is the Love Language That Matters 23 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,520 S1: Most by Gary Chapman, doctors Les and Leslie Parrott. Les 24 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,160 S1: and Leslie are going to join us next week. Call 25 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,759 S1: or click through give today. We'd love to send you 26 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:38,440 S1: a copy. 86695 Fabbri is the number. Or you can 27 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,080 S1: go to Chris Fabbri, Livorno. Why does love get lost 28 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,880 S1: in translation? How can you personalize your love so that 29 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,880 S1: it is? It is easy for you to say it 30 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,200 S1: is deeply felt by the other person that you're trying 31 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,800 S1: to love. Support this program, which is a wonderful thing 32 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:02,950 S1: and will help you find a love language breakthrough again. (866) 953-2279. 33 00:02:02,950 --> 00:02:10,150 S1: Give a gift of any size with the emphasis on any. (866) 953-2279. 34 00:02:10,150 --> 00:02:13,510 S1: Or just go to Chris Fabri, Livorno and thank you 35 00:02:13,510 --> 00:02:15,230 S1: for being a friend or a partner with us right 36 00:02:15,230 --> 00:02:18,630 S1: there at the radio backyard fence right here at the 37 00:02:18,630 --> 00:02:23,829 S1: radio backyard fence. Steven McWhirter travels around the world. He 38 00:02:23,830 --> 00:02:27,750 S1: leads worship. He shares his testimony of radical change. His 39 00:02:27,750 --> 00:02:31,470 S1: Grammy nominated song, Come to Jesus has reached more than 40 00:02:31,470 --> 00:02:35,990 S1: 100 million views and streams it one gospel song of 41 00:02:35,990 --> 00:02:39,950 S1: the year at the 2025 GMA Dove Awards. He's married 42 00:02:39,950 --> 00:02:42,989 S1: to Tara. He knew her when he was 16. She 43 00:02:42,990 --> 00:02:46,630 S1: was 14. They have three growing red headed boys and 44 00:02:46,630 --> 00:02:49,150 S1: live in Louisville, Kentucky. And you got to say it 45 00:02:49,150 --> 00:02:52,030 S1: that way, Steven. You can't say Louisville. It's Louisville, right? 46 00:02:52,070 --> 00:02:55,070 S2: Yeah, yeah. You got the you got the city, right. 47 00:02:55,070 --> 00:02:58,510 S2: But the song title has not come to Jesus, which 48 00:02:58,510 --> 00:03:01,109 S2: you should do. But it's come, Jesus, come. 49 00:03:01,270 --> 00:03:05,990 S1: Did I say come to Jesus? Is that what I said? Well, see. 50 00:03:06,510 --> 00:03:09,030 S2: Actually won. It actually won a Grammy. 51 00:03:11,030 --> 00:03:11,750 S3: The fail. 52 00:03:12,350 --> 00:03:12,790 S1: We started. 53 00:03:12,790 --> 00:03:13,510 S2: The program with. 54 00:03:13,510 --> 00:03:15,030 S1: The fail. This is. 55 00:03:15,030 --> 00:03:15,550 S2: This is. 56 00:03:15,590 --> 00:03:20,710 S1: No humiliation. All humility. Come, Jesus, come. And it won 57 00:03:20,750 --> 00:03:23,710 S1: a Grammy and Gospel Song of the year at the 58 00:03:23,710 --> 00:03:25,070 S1: Dove Awards. How's that? 59 00:03:25,110 --> 00:03:28,950 S2: If that. If that means anything. Yes it does. Uh. But. Yes. No. 60 00:03:28,990 --> 00:03:31,310 S2: You're great. You're great. I should have corrected you. I 61 00:03:31,310 --> 00:03:32,030 S2: should have let you go. 62 00:03:32,070 --> 00:03:34,870 S1: No, I'm glad you did. It means that I'm human. 63 00:03:34,870 --> 00:03:37,230 S1: And so are you. And now we now, people who 64 00:03:37,230 --> 00:03:40,390 S1: are listening have it right. Uh. They understand. Okay. And 65 00:03:40,390 --> 00:03:42,110 S1: we're going to hear that song a little bit later. 66 00:03:42,110 --> 00:03:45,270 S1: If you have not heard. Come to Jesus. You're not 67 00:03:45,270 --> 00:03:47,710 S1: going to hear it today because he's going to. Steven's 68 00:03:47,710 --> 00:03:52,630 S1: going to sing come, Jesus, come in just a little bit. Um, okay. 69 00:03:52,630 --> 00:03:55,230 S1: So we could dive in here and I could ask 70 00:03:55,230 --> 00:03:58,550 S1: you just the template of questions about start with your 71 00:03:58,550 --> 00:04:01,430 S1: your your past and then move up to the present. 72 00:04:01,590 --> 00:04:04,110 S1: But I want to start with the present. So winning 73 00:04:04,110 --> 00:04:08,750 S1: a Grammy Gospel Song of the year. Other things that 74 00:04:08,750 --> 00:04:11,670 S1: have happened in the last, you know, 100 million views. 75 00:04:11,710 --> 00:04:13,830 S1: Has that changed Stephen at all? 76 00:04:15,630 --> 00:04:20,070 S2: Uh, I mean, no, not at all. I would, I 77 00:04:20,230 --> 00:04:22,550 S2: would say the only thing that has changed is, you know, 78 00:04:22,589 --> 00:04:24,790 S2: it's it has been a blessing to our family. You know, 79 00:04:24,830 --> 00:04:29,669 S2: my wife's home full time. That's awesome. Um, but otherwise. Yeah, 80 00:04:29,710 --> 00:04:33,070 S2: we're we're just here in Louisville doing our thing. Um, 81 00:04:33,310 --> 00:04:37,270 S2: you know, um, and it's interesting, like, the song won 82 00:04:37,270 --> 00:04:42,950 S2: a Grammy for CC and, uh, CC winning, and, um, 83 00:04:43,150 --> 00:04:45,310 S2: you know, I just I think it's funny, like you, 84 00:04:45,910 --> 00:04:49,390 S2: it really is like some some day I'm going to blink, 85 00:04:49,470 --> 00:04:52,029 S2: and I'm not just trying to sound overly spiritual, but seriously, 86 00:04:52,029 --> 00:04:53,710 S2: someday I'm going to blink and I'm going to look 87 00:04:53,710 --> 00:04:56,590 S2: back and this is all going to feel like it 88 00:04:56,630 --> 00:04:58,390 S2: went so fast. I'm going to be in the presence 89 00:04:58,390 --> 00:05:00,310 S2: of Jesus, and I'm going to go, wow, there were 90 00:05:00,310 --> 00:05:02,190 S2: a lot of things I thought were a big deal 91 00:05:02,630 --> 00:05:05,750 S2: that weren't compared to you, and I'm just trying to 92 00:05:05,790 --> 00:05:09,830 S2: stay in that place now. Um, you know, this thing 93 00:05:09,830 --> 00:05:12,589 S2: is short. I want to I want to be aware 94 00:05:12,589 --> 00:05:14,390 S2: of what he's doing in the moment, not just caught 95 00:05:14,390 --> 00:05:18,230 S2: up in accolades or, um, success. Because the funny thing 96 00:05:18,230 --> 00:05:22,030 S2: about it is you could get, you know, you get, uh, 97 00:05:22,029 --> 00:05:23,870 S2: let's say you get a thousand followers on a social 98 00:05:23,870 --> 00:05:26,830 S2: media platform. Well, now you got to get two. You 99 00:05:26,830 --> 00:05:30,110 S2: gotta get 2000, you know? Oh, I got a Grammy. Well, 100 00:05:30,110 --> 00:05:32,510 S2: now I gotta get two Grammys. It's like all that 101 00:05:32,510 --> 00:05:35,630 S2: kind of stuff is. Is, um. It's cool, but it's 102 00:05:35,630 --> 00:05:36,990 S2: also missed. 103 00:05:37,390 --> 00:05:40,350 S1: And when you're doing the music thing, you. It's like 104 00:05:40,350 --> 00:05:42,430 S1: you're brand. Here's what you're known for. And you got 105 00:05:42,430 --> 00:05:44,309 S1: to stay with that and you got to write another hit. 106 00:05:44,350 --> 00:05:46,029 S1: You know, you got to have the same kind of 107 00:05:46,430 --> 00:05:48,390 S1: hit that you had before, and you use that as 108 00:05:48,430 --> 00:05:51,390 S1: kind of the template. And it strikes me, it sounds 109 00:05:51,390 --> 00:05:56,140 S1: to me like you're here. Jesus. Take the wheel. Do 110 00:05:56,180 --> 00:05:57,860 S1: whatever you want. Right. 111 00:05:58,740 --> 00:06:01,900 S2: Yeah. I mean, you know, even. Come. Jesus. Come. It's 112 00:06:01,900 --> 00:06:05,780 S2: a six year old song. Um. So what? It wasn't like, okay, 113 00:06:05,779 --> 00:06:07,380 S2: I gotta write a hit. It was like I wrote 114 00:06:07,380 --> 00:06:10,180 S2: this song. My wife and I were in our basement weeping. 115 00:06:10,820 --> 00:06:14,219 S2: We had revelation 22, verse 20, where Jesus says, behold, 116 00:06:14,220 --> 00:06:16,780 S2: I am coming soon. And then it says, Amen, come, 117 00:06:16,779 --> 00:06:19,780 S2: Lord Jesus. Right? And we were weeping and we were 118 00:06:19,820 --> 00:06:22,020 S2: singing the first part of this song, not trying to 119 00:06:22,060 --> 00:06:25,220 S2: write a song we thought anybody would hear. Um, again, 120 00:06:25,220 --> 00:06:29,220 S2: six years ago. And, um, you know, I took that 121 00:06:29,220 --> 00:06:31,740 S2: song to the record label I was with at the time. 122 00:06:31,740 --> 00:06:35,500 S2: They will not be mentioned. And, and I said, hey, 123 00:06:35,500 --> 00:06:37,900 S2: I think God's breathing on this. We ended up finishing 124 00:06:37,900 --> 00:06:39,980 S2: writing the song with some friends of ours, uh, Hank 125 00:06:39,980 --> 00:06:42,900 S2: Bentley and Brian Fowler. I want to give those guys 126 00:06:42,900 --> 00:06:45,780 S2: credit where credit is due. But I took this on 127 00:06:45,820 --> 00:06:47,300 S2: this label and they were like, I think we're going 128 00:06:47,339 --> 00:06:50,700 S2: to pass. And, uh, literally the version that you guys 129 00:06:50,700 --> 00:06:53,940 S2: might have heard a minute ago, but, uh, they said, yeah, 130 00:06:53,940 --> 00:06:55,860 S2: I think we'll pass. I actually got dropped from my 131 00:06:55,860 --> 00:06:58,060 S2: publishing deal with them like a couple of weeks later. 132 00:06:58,540 --> 00:07:02,780 S2: So with this song and, uh, so I just kept going. Okay, 133 00:07:02,820 --> 00:07:04,700 S2: I guess it's just for you and me. Jesus. For, like, 134 00:07:04,700 --> 00:07:07,980 S2: four years. And, uh, suddenly it went viral. Just me 135 00:07:08,020 --> 00:07:11,220 S2: playing acoustic and singing it on all social media platforms 136 00:07:11,220 --> 00:07:14,540 S2: and stuff like 4 or 5 years later. And so now, 137 00:07:14,820 --> 00:07:17,300 S2: now CC does it. And you know, it's just kind 138 00:07:17,300 --> 00:07:19,900 S2: of out there and God's God's really breathing on it. 139 00:07:19,900 --> 00:07:22,180 S2: But it isn't a okay, I wrote a hit, I 140 00:07:22,220 --> 00:07:24,900 S2: have to write another one. It was like, wait, I 141 00:07:25,100 --> 00:07:28,380 S2: God birthed something really special six years ago. You just 142 00:07:28,380 --> 00:07:31,140 S2: don't know when it's going to happen. Like timing is 143 00:07:31,860 --> 00:07:34,260 S2: in the way is really. It's all up to him. 144 00:07:34,500 --> 00:07:38,740 S1: Yes and no. You know, with the publishing deal I 145 00:07:38,740 --> 00:07:41,540 S1: heard I heard people talk about. Yeah, there was this 146 00:07:41,540 --> 00:07:44,820 S1: lady from Germany and she came and she had this 147 00:07:44,820 --> 00:07:48,380 S1: real strong accent. She wasn't from Germany. She was, you know, 148 00:07:48,420 --> 00:07:51,780 S1: from from Europe. She had this real strong accent, and 149 00:07:51,780 --> 00:07:54,620 S1: she had this story about, you know, the camps and 150 00:07:54,620 --> 00:07:57,540 S1: these things. It was like, we've we've heard that before. 151 00:07:57,580 --> 00:08:00,660 S1: It was Corrie ten boom. They turned her down. They 152 00:08:00,660 --> 00:08:02,420 S1: turned the hiding place down. 153 00:08:02,460 --> 00:08:05,740 S2: You know, and so I'm not putting my I'm not 154 00:08:05,740 --> 00:08:08,900 S2: putting myself up next to that, by the way. No, 155 00:08:09,340 --> 00:08:11,140 S2: but that's there's a lot of stories. 156 00:08:11,460 --> 00:08:12,580 S1: Nobody knows. 157 00:08:12,780 --> 00:08:15,220 S2: Nobody knows what it is. 158 00:08:15,260 --> 00:08:19,380 S1: And part of it, I think, is, Stephen, is that you? 159 00:08:19,420 --> 00:08:22,380 S1: Sometimes you can't see the heart of what God wants 160 00:08:22,380 --> 00:08:26,940 S1: to do with something that you already have. You know, 161 00:08:26,980 --> 00:08:30,180 S1: a vision or not a vision for. Does that make sense? 162 00:08:30,460 --> 00:08:36,540 S2: Mhm. Yeah. And I think we sometimes mistake popularity or 163 00:08:36,780 --> 00:08:42,819 S2: you know, industry acceptance as success. Kingdom success. Um the 164 00:08:42,820 --> 00:08:46,100 S2: two don't always go hand in hand. Um, you know, 165 00:08:46,140 --> 00:08:51,930 S2: sometimes God births something. It doesn't look like the coolest 166 00:08:51,929 --> 00:08:55,170 S2: thing you know, or something that everybody is looking for. 167 00:08:55,210 --> 00:08:59,170 S2: It's interesting. You kind of just have to. You got 168 00:08:59,170 --> 00:09:01,010 S2: to trust him, you know? And you got to move 169 00:09:01,010 --> 00:09:01,570 S2: with him. 170 00:09:01,970 --> 00:09:06,090 S1: Bingo. Every day. Okay, so the here's here's the secret. 171 00:09:06,290 --> 00:09:10,250 S1: Let the secret out. Stephen is not only a dog owner, 172 00:09:10,250 --> 00:09:14,970 S1: but he has radically restored the book out. How? Knowing 173 00:09:14,970 --> 00:09:19,130 S1: Jesus heals our brokenness. You can, uh. Are you a 174 00:09:19,130 --> 00:09:22,050 S1: dog owner, by the way? Or are you coughing? Oh. 175 00:09:22,850 --> 00:09:25,650 S2: We're very much a dog owner. Okay. Uh, we we 176 00:09:25,650 --> 00:09:28,050 S2: have two dogs. I mean, my wife literally just bought 177 00:09:28,050 --> 00:09:32,050 S2: stairs that are at our bed for the dogs. Okay. 178 00:09:32,570 --> 00:09:35,890 S1: That's serious. That's commitment right there. Okay. All right. I 179 00:09:35,890 --> 00:09:37,690 S1: want to find out more about that. And I want 180 00:09:37,730 --> 00:09:40,330 S1: to hear more about Tara and her journey as well. 181 00:09:40,330 --> 00:09:42,290 S1: I know this is your story, but I want to 182 00:09:42,290 --> 00:09:47,090 S1: hear about her. The book is radically restored by Steven McWhirter, 183 00:09:47,250 --> 00:09:51,650 S1: MC w h I t e r. You know him 184 00:09:51,650 --> 00:09:54,530 S1: from the song. Come, Jesus. Come. We're going to hear 185 00:09:54,530 --> 00:09:57,090 S1: that today. But when we come back, you've got to 186 00:09:57,090 --> 00:10:00,970 S1: hear the back story if you haven't already, because there's 187 00:10:00,970 --> 00:10:06,010 S1: a really hard, hard back story. And you'll praise God 188 00:10:06,010 --> 00:10:08,809 S1: for what he has done in Steven's life and maybe 189 00:10:09,090 --> 00:10:11,850 S1: what he might do in your own life or someone 190 00:10:11,850 --> 00:10:14,689 S1: else's that you're praying for. That's coming up straight ahead 191 00:10:14,690 --> 00:10:26,850 S1: on Moody Radio. Anytime we have a story program like 192 00:10:26,850 --> 00:10:29,130 S1: this where we're asking somebody, just tell me the story 193 00:10:29,130 --> 00:10:31,290 S1: of your life. I am keenly aware that there are 194 00:10:31,290 --> 00:10:33,449 S1: two people that I really want to talk with. And 195 00:10:33,450 --> 00:10:36,850 S1: number one is the person who identifies with Steven and 196 00:10:36,850 --> 00:10:40,650 S1: what he's been through through the years. And the second 197 00:10:40,650 --> 00:10:44,290 S1: person is the person who has a Steven in your life, 198 00:10:44,730 --> 00:10:47,010 S1: and you've been praying and praying and praying for him 199 00:10:47,010 --> 00:10:51,930 S1: or her and you. You think it's too far? It's 200 00:10:52,210 --> 00:10:54,570 S1: a bridge too far. And I want you to hear 201 00:10:54,570 --> 00:10:58,809 S1: Steven's story today. He has written a book about his life, 202 00:10:58,850 --> 00:11:03,490 S1: basically from the singer songwriter of Come Jesus. Come. Radically 203 00:11:03,490 --> 00:11:07,130 S1: restored is the title. We have it linked at the website. Chris. 204 00:11:07,809 --> 00:11:12,970 S1: Org click through today's information. Chris Fabry okay, so you 205 00:11:13,010 --> 00:11:16,130 S1: grew up in the home. Your dad was a preacher. 206 00:11:16,170 --> 00:11:20,650 S1: He ran around the country preaching, doing camps, revivals, that 207 00:11:20,650 --> 00:11:21,650 S1: kind of thing. Right? 208 00:11:22,450 --> 00:11:27,090 S2: Correct. Yeah, my dad was a traveling evangelist, so I 209 00:11:27,130 --> 00:11:30,290 S2: guess I'm not a PK. I'm an eck. Right? I'm. 210 00:11:30,290 --> 00:11:33,050 S2: That's my new thing. Uh, yeah. You know, we would 211 00:11:33,050 --> 00:11:35,050 S2: go and I would see my dad get up, preach 212 00:11:35,090 --> 00:11:38,010 S2: about Jesus behind a pulpit, and all these people would 213 00:11:38,010 --> 00:11:43,050 S2: get saved because God is kind. Right. He's gracious. And 214 00:11:43,090 --> 00:11:49,400 S2: but behind closed doors, I would watch this man violently, um, brutally, just, 215 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:54,080 S2: you know, physically abused my mom. And I remembered looking 216 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,839 S2: back on that time and thinking, wow, um, if God's real, 217 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,600 S2: he's not good. And, um, I don't want anything to 218 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,320 S2: do with this Jesus guy. And so at a very 219 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:11,760 S2: young age, I begin down this path of just wild rebellion. Rebellion, 220 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,560 S2: you know, where my earthly father and my heavenly father 221 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,760 S2: were the villains in my story. And so, around 11 222 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:23,440 S2: years old, I began shoot, you know, to smoking and 223 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,120 S2: drinking and marijuana and all that kind of stuff. By 224 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,520 S2: the time I was 15, it was cocaine and pills, 225 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,000 S2: and I'm selling drugs. By the time I was 17, 226 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,839 S2: I became a full out crystal meth addict, and I 227 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:40,480 S2: was using, gosh every day for many, many years to come. 228 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,000 S2: And during this whole time, oh my gosh, I hated Christians, 229 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,440 S2: I hated Jesus. If he'd have mentioned his name around me, 230 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,720 S2: I was going to cut you out, right? Um, so yeah, very, 231 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:57,280 S2: very difficult time. But, you know, I even remembered, uh, 232 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,680 S2: around this time that, uh, my sister had invited me 233 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,640 S2: to a Billy Graham crusade. Um, it was one that 234 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:10,319 S2: was in Louisville, Kentucky, around 2000. And during that time, I, uh, 235 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,520 S2: she'd been asking me to go to church, and people 236 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,240 S2: been asking me to come. And it was so annoying 237 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,439 S2: to me. And I think at this one, I was 238 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,160 S2: just like, fine, look, I'll come, but you can't bother 239 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,760 S2: me anymore if I come to this one. You know, 240 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,280 S2: you have to leave me alone. Um, so I do 241 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:29,040 S2: meth and I go to a Billy Graham crusade like 242 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:34,400 S2: normal people do. And, uh, you know, I'm sitting there and, um, 243 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,320 S2: you know, Third day is playing God of Wonders. You know, 244 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,679 S2: the song. Um, and I just felt like I was 245 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,360 S2: going to jump out of my skin. I don't know 246 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,800 S2: how else to explain it, except it felt like all 247 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:51,439 S2: this just chaos. Um, because, you know, honestly, if you've 248 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,880 S2: ever been to a Billy Graham crusade, the presence of 249 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,760 S2: the Lord is palpable in that place. I don't know 250 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,320 S2: how else to explain it. Um, it really is powerful. 251 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,760 S2: And I just think I was in such darkness that 252 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,400 S2: I couldn't handle it. I just jumped up and started 253 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,880 S2: cussing and acting like a crazy person and just ran 254 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:18,920 S2: out of that place. Um. That, you know, that is crazy. Um. 255 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:20,920 S2: Don't you, during this time, don't. 256 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,200 S1: You think part of that was the the trauma with 257 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,280 S1: your dad, too? Because this probably wasn't a whole lot 258 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,520 S1: different than what you'd heard from your dad, right? 259 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,520 S2: No. You know, my dad was actually a really gifted speaker. 260 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:37,040 S2: You can still find guy Stuart McWhorter. Um, like old 261 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,840 S2: teachings where somebody took, like, cassette tapes, you know, from 262 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,360 S2: the 70s and early 80s, and they put them up. Um, 263 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,840 S2: he was gifted, uh, really was. And, um, I think 264 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,120 S2: I know for a fact that, yes, there was a 265 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,960 S2: lot of that connected. And that was that was why I, 266 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,120 S2: I mean, it doesn't take much to figure out why 267 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,840 S2: I hated Christianity and why I wanted nothing to do 268 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,880 S2: with it. There's a lot of wounding there. You cannot 269 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:09,200 S2: you cannot overemphasize how significant a parent's role is in 270 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,200 S2: your life. Um, just how much it shapes you with 271 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:16,360 S2: their presence or with the, you know, absence of their presence. 272 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,320 S2: Because my my beautiful wife Tara, who's amazing, she's actually 273 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,960 S2: never met her earthly father. That's a different kind of 274 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:29,240 S2: wound than growing up with seeing one who's there. But, um, 275 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:36,640 S2: is a very, you know, um, wounding force in your life. Yeah. So. 276 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,200 S2: So your sister know that. 277 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,510 S1: Your sister Suzanne, and we're going to get back to her. 278 00:15:41,510 --> 00:15:43,150 S1: I want to go back to Tara, though, because you 279 00:15:43,150 --> 00:15:46,070 S1: were 16. She was 14, if that's what you've told 280 00:15:46,070 --> 00:15:48,390 S1: us is true right now. You were in the middle. 281 00:15:48,550 --> 00:15:49,630 S1: You were really. 282 00:15:49,710 --> 00:15:51,030 S2: If I'm telling the truth. 283 00:15:51,390 --> 00:15:54,830 S1: You're telling the truth. You were really, really messed up. 284 00:15:54,830 --> 00:15:59,350 S1: And you actually introduced her to meth as well, right? 285 00:15:59,710 --> 00:16:03,750 S2: Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah, I was anything but a good influence, 286 00:16:03,750 --> 00:16:07,190 S2: but yeah, we we met again. She was 14, I 287 00:16:07,190 --> 00:16:08,830 S2: was 16, I was talking to I don't know if 288 00:16:08,830 --> 00:16:10,590 S2: you know, Pat Barrett, but he's a really funny guy. 289 00:16:10,630 --> 00:16:12,830 S2: I told Pat Barrett. Yeah. We got together when she 290 00:16:12,830 --> 00:16:15,030 S2: was 14 I was 16. He goes, are you Amish? 291 00:16:15,070 --> 00:16:22,270 S2: That was really young. Yeah. Anyways, uh, so, uh, yeah. 292 00:16:22,310 --> 00:16:24,950 S2: You know, we we we were together through all that, 293 00:16:24,950 --> 00:16:27,950 S2: all that mess, and, um, I was anything but a 294 00:16:27,950 --> 00:16:32,030 S2: good influence on her. But, you know, um, the people 295 00:16:32,030 --> 00:16:37,750 S2: we ran around with, it was all pretty, pretty dark. Um, but, yeah, 296 00:16:37,790 --> 00:16:42,670 S2: you know the Lord has used her in some really powerful, 297 00:16:42,670 --> 00:16:45,070 S2: amazing ways in my life, which we'll get to a 298 00:16:45,070 --> 00:16:46,990 S2: little bit here, but, uh. Yeah. 299 00:16:47,030 --> 00:16:50,950 S1: So what did Suzanne do? What did Suzanne do to 300 00:16:50,990 --> 00:16:53,110 S1: kind of change? To turn things around? 301 00:16:53,870 --> 00:16:57,590 S2: Well, she played a part. Yeah. For sure. She, you know, 302 00:16:57,630 --> 00:17:01,590 S2: she she, um, was praying for me, but she offered 303 00:17:01,590 --> 00:17:05,710 S2: me this book, case for Christ by Lee Strobel. And, um, 304 00:17:06,030 --> 00:17:08,350 S2: people were praying for me. And I have to tell you, 305 00:17:08,350 --> 00:17:09,949 S2: this is crazy. I don't know if this made in 306 00:17:09,950 --> 00:17:12,109 S2: the book, because my mom told me this after the 307 00:17:12,109 --> 00:17:15,790 S2: book I think was written. It may be in there, but, um, 308 00:17:16,350 --> 00:17:19,750 S2: my sister gave me the book case for Christ, but 309 00:17:19,750 --> 00:17:23,390 S2: my dad is the one who gave it to her, um, 310 00:17:23,550 --> 00:17:26,750 S2: to give to me. And there's a lot there to unpack, 311 00:17:26,750 --> 00:17:30,430 S2: which we'll get into. But, um, had I known that, 312 00:17:30,430 --> 00:17:32,310 S2: I'd definitely knocked it out of her hand and told 313 00:17:32,310 --> 00:17:34,590 S2: her to leave the room. But, you know, God was 314 00:17:34,590 --> 00:17:36,630 S2: praying for him. Like people were praying for me. Not 315 00:17:36,630 --> 00:17:39,709 S2: just my sister, but my mom. But so many people 316 00:17:39,750 --> 00:17:41,510 S2: told me these stories about how they would just pull 317 00:17:41,510 --> 00:17:43,230 S2: over on the side of the road crying over me 318 00:17:43,270 --> 00:17:46,469 S2: coming to Jesus, right? So when they came and they 319 00:17:46,470 --> 00:17:50,430 S2: offered me this book, case for Christ by Lee Strobel, um, 320 00:17:51,190 --> 00:17:55,550 S2: I miraculously accepted it because, again, you have to imagine, 321 00:17:55,590 --> 00:17:58,310 S2: like somebody, if you just saw me, then you would want. 322 00:17:58,310 --> 00:18:00,670 S2: If there's ever an enemy of the cross, it's this guy. 323 00:18:00,710 --> 00:18:04,150 S2: You just don't offer him a book about Jesus. And 324 00:18:04,350 --> 00:18:06,590 S2: so the fact that I accepted it without causing a 325 00:18:06,590 --> 00:18:09,710 S2: scene is the parting, the Red sea moment in my story. Right? 326 00:18:09,990 --> 00:18:13,350 S2: I was like, cool. Whatever. Give me a stupid book. Um. 327 00:18:13,790 --> 00:18:17,229 S2: Fast forward, uh, it's 3:00 in the morning. I literally 328 00:18:17,230 --> 00:18:21,030 S2: have drugs on the side table next to me. Nobody's 329 00:18:21,030 --> 00:18:24,910 S2: playing softly and quietly in the corner, you know, uh, 330 00:18:25,390 --> 00:18:28,270 S2: music on a piano or something. But it seems like 331 00:18:28,270 --> 00:18:31,790 S2: the most improbable place, right, for somebody to come to Jesus. 332 00:18:31,790 --> 00:18:36,659 S2: But in this room, a very loving and a very 333 00:18:36,660 --> 00:18:44,020 S2: real God. Wright made himself very obvious to me. I 334 00:18:44,020 --> 00:18:45,939 S2: don't know how to explain it. I just knew he 335 00:18:45,940 --> 00:18:50,220 S2: was in the room. Right. And I just remember thinking, God, 336 00:18:50,220 --> 00:18:52,220 S2: I want to give you my life. I really do. 337 00:18:52,260 --> 00:18:54,300 S2: As I read this book, as I think about this, 338 00:18:54,300 --> 00:18:57,260 S2: I go, oh my gosh, it's real. I want to 339 00:18:57,260 --> 00:18:59,580 S2: give you my life. I want to quit all this addiction, 340 00:18:59,580 --> 00:19:04,540 S2: all this darkness, all this depression, all this anger that 341 00:19:04,540 --> 00:19:06,580 S2: I've known for so long. God, I want to, but 342 00:19:06,580 --> 00:19:09,619 S2: there's there's no way. I can't do it. I mean, 343 00:19:09,660 --> 00:19:12,140 S2: you know, at this point in my story, it had 344 00:19:12,140 --> 00:19:17,020 S2: been over 11 years. I'd been in crazy addiction. Um, 345 00:19:17,020 --> 00:19:20,980 S2: I couldn't imagine who I was otherwise. I remember being 346 00:19:20,980 --> 00:19:23,620 S2: up 3 or 4 days straight during this time and 347 00:19:23,619 --> 00:19:26,859 S2: thinking to myself, you're going to die at a young 348 00:19:26,859 --> 00:19:30,620 S2: age because you can't quit. And just being okay with that, 349 00:19:30,660 --> 00:19:33,380 S2: you don't get further down in the pit than that. 350 00:19:33,380 --> 00:19:36,580 S2: That's pretty rough. So when I say God, I want to, 351 00:19:36,580 --> 00:19:40,340 S2: but I can't. He knew I meant it. And in 352 00:19:40,380 --> 00:19:44,020 S2: that moment, in a thought more powerful than words, I 353 00:19:44,020 --> 00:19:46,620 S2: believe the Holy Spirit spoke something into me that changed 354 00:19:46,619 --> 00:19:48,180 S2: me for the rest of my life. And it was 355 00:19:48,180 --> 00:19:53,300 S2: this thought, you won't do it, Steven, I'll do it. 356 00:19:54,500 --> 00:19:56,820 S2: And I didn't know this at the time, but this 357 00:19:56,820 --> 00:19:59,820 S2: was Ephesians two eight, right? You're saved by grace. This 358 00:19:59,820 --> 00:20:02,300 S2: isn't something you can boast about. It's a work of God. 359 00:20:02,300 --> 00:20:06,540 S2: He does it. But there was something, um, that Jesus 360 00:20:06,540 --> 00:20:08,340 S2: tells us we can't. We are supposed to do. And 361 00:20:08,340 --> 00:20:10,540 S2: he says the only work the father asks of you 362 00:20:10,540 --> 00:20:13,700 S2: in John 629, the only work the father asks of 363 00:20:13,700 --> 00:20:17,340 S2: you is to believe. Basically, that's what I did. I, 364 00:20:17,380 --> 00:20:19,980 S2: like agreed with this thought that I believe was from 365 00:20:19,980 --> 00:20:23,220 S2: the Lord, and I believed him like I believe I'm 366 00:20:23,220 --> 00:20:27,419 S2: breathing air right now. And I just fell to my 367 00:20:27,420 --> 00:20:29,899 S2: knees and I gave my life to Jesus. You know, 368 00:20:29,940 --> 00:20:31,619 S2: I grew up around it enough to kind of know 369 00:20:31,619 --> 00:20:34,220 S2: what to do. So I was on my knees, ugly, 370 00:20:34,220 --> 00:20:38,340 S2: crying boogers coming out of my nose. 3:00 in the morning. 371 00:20:38,740 --> 00:20:43,340 S2: And my wife, now Tara was my, you know, fiancee. 372 00:20:43,460 --> 00:20:45,100 S2: Girlfriend at the time was in the bed. And I 373 00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:46,939 S2: think she woke up to me doing that. And she 374 00:20:46,940 --> 00:20:49,380 S2: was like, what is going on? I'm like, I gave 375 00:20:49,380 --> 00:20:52,180 S2: my life to Jesus. That's right. And she's like, are 376 00:20:52,180 --> 00:20:58,140 S2: you high? Uh, but man, I mean, when I tell you, um, 377 00:20:58,180 --> 00:21:04,340 S2: I literally quit everything. And that sounds wild to say 378 00:21:04,340 --> 00:21:07,699 S2: I quit everything overnight. Um, I realized in the addiction 379 00:21:07,700 --> 00:21:11,180 S2: recovery ministries, in places I go. Um, that might sound 380 00:21:11,180 --> 00:21:14,740 S2: discouraging for some because, you know, it takes a while 381 00:21:14,740 --> 00:21:17,900 S2: or whatever, but two things. One, don't worry, there was 382 00:21:17,900 --> 00:21:19,660 S2: plenty of other messed up things with me to deal 383 00:21:19,660 --> 00:21:23,100 S2: with for years to come. Number two, uh, if you 384 00:21:23,100 --> 00:21:27,500 S2: read the gospels, Jesus never healed anyone the same way twice. 385 00:21:27,980 --> 00:21:32,820 S2: Every story has a purpose if it takes you five times. 386 00:21:32,859 --> 00:21:35,220 S2: Ten times. And you fall at the feet of Jesus 387 00:21:35,220 --> 00:21:38,659 S2: and you surrender your life. Really? Um, he's going to 388 00:21:38,700 --> 00:21:40,820 S2: use your story. He's going to use your story to 389 00:21:40,820 --> 00:21:44,859 S2: draw people to him as he has me. Um, but, yeah, 390 00:21:44,900 --> 00:21:47,860 S2: I mean, the rest is kind of history. There's more 391 00:21:47,859 --> 00:21:50,580 S2: to more that God did, which we can get into. 392 00:21:50,580 --> 00:21:54,460 S2: But ultimately, what I know and what I was telling 393 00:21:54,460 --> 00:21:56,419 S2: people when I left that room that night is the 394 00:21:56,420 --> 00:22:00,300 S2: most simple thing, but it's also the most wildly powerful thing, 395 00:22:00,300 --> 00:22:06,460 S2: if you really believe it. God is real. Like, it's 396 00:22:06,460 --> 00:22:09,580 S2: it's all real. I know, Chris, we're on this show 397 00:22:09,580 --> 00:22:12,940 S2: right now. We're talking, we're doing Jesus is Lord. God 398 00:22:12,940 --> 00:22:15,939 S2: is real. It's all real. I don't know who's listening 399 00:22:15,940 --> 00:22:18,660 S2: to this right now, but if that can go from 400 00:22:18,660 --> 00:22:21,020 S2: your head to your heart, if that can sink in, 401 00:22:21,500 --> 00:22:24,940 S2: your entire life should just be flipped upside down in 402 00:22:24,940 --> 00:22:30,460 S2: the most beautiful, most powerful, most profound way. Um, and 403 00:22:30,570 --> 00:22:32,690 S2: so I just feel like I'm holding on to that, 404 00:22:33,250 --> 00:22:35,410 S2: that reality every day of my life. 405 00:22:36,050 --> 00:22:38,490 S1: How do you think you got over at that moment? 406 00:22:38,530 --> 00:22:41,610 S1: How did you get over what you'd seen with your dad? 407 00:22:41,609 --> 00:22:45,689 S1: The hypocrisy with your dad, and then your heavenly father? 408 00:22:45,730 --> 00:22:49,930 S1: Was it just that his mercy was poured out to you? 409 00:22:51,810 --> 00:22:55,130 S2: Okay, so that's a that's a that's a big that's 410 00:22:55,130 --> 00:22:59,649 S2: a big piece here. Um, you know, at the time 411 00:22:59,650 --> 00:23:02,090 S2: of me getting saved, I was in my, you know, 412 00:23:02,290 --> 00:23:07,130 S2: early 20s, over 20 some odd years ago now. And 413 00:23:07,170 --> 00:23:11,850 S2: at that time, my father hadn't abused my mom. And 414 00:23:12,090 --> 00:23:14,930 S2: ten or more years, you know, because I remember being 415 00:23:14,930 --> 00:23:17,450 S2: a little kid and being woken up in the middle 416 00:23:17,450 --> 00:23:19,050 S2: of the night, being awakened in the middle of the 417 00:23:19,050 --> 00:23:22,250 S2: night by my mom telling me, whispering, come on, we're 418 00:23:22,250 --> 00:23:24,489 S2: getting in the car. We're leaving. Um, she has a 419 00:23:24,490 --> 00:23:27,450 S2: bloody lip. All that. And I knew what was happening. 420 00:23:27,450 --> 00:23:30,890 S2: I was like, oh, we're we're leaving him, um, in 421 00:23:30,890 --> 00:23:33,490 S2: the middle of the night, and he doesn't know what's happening. 422 00:23:33,850 --> 00:23:38,170 S2: And thinking to myself. Freedom. You know? Wow. We're really 423 00:23:38,170 --> 00:23:42,170 S2: doing it. And, uh, within 24 hours, my mom was back. 424 00:23:42,930 --> 00:23:47,129 S2: We were back. And, um, my dad didn't touch her 425 00:23:47,130 --> 00:23:49,770 S2: again since. But I wish she would have left him. 426 00:23:49,770 --> 00:23:51,730 S2: I won't lie, you know, I wish she would have 427 00:23:51,730 --> 00:23:55,730 S2: left him. Um, other people may have thoughts on that. 428 00:23:55,770 --> 00:23:59,169 S2: And I just think, look, if you're not safe and 429 00:23:59,170 --> 00:24:02,370 S2: you hear this, get safe. But, um, my mom stayed 430 00:24:02,369 --> 00:24:07,330 S2: with my dad, and, um, you know, through all those years, 431 00:24:07,330 --> 00:24:09,650 S2: even though he hadn't did that again, it was still 432 00:24:09,650 --> 00:24:12,770 S2: just like, uh, I just couldn't stand this guy. I 433 00:24:12,770 --> 00:24:17,170 S2: couldn't stand anything about it. He was just the biggest 434 00:24:17,170 --> 00:24:21,170 S2: enemy and villain in my story. I couldn't fathom when 435 00:24:21,170 --> 00:24:25,570 S2: I got saved. And again, I know God's real. It's 436 00:24:25,570 --> 00:24:27,649 S2: all real. And so now I'm reading the Bible and 437 00:24:27,650 --> 00:24:30,610 S2: I'm learning these things and I'm like, wait, this is real. 438 00:24:30,650 --> 00:24:34,129 S2: This is not just like a cool idea. These things 439 00:24:34,130 --> 00:24:36,890 S2: that he teaches and says, these are important. I need 440 00:24:36,930 --> 00:24:40,969 S2: to like, walk this out, like, for real. And the 441 00:24:40,970 --> 00:24:46,290 S2: one that stood out to me was forgive your enemies forgiveness. 442 00:24:46,490 --> 00:24:48,169 S2: And I knew the Lord was calling me to forgive 443 00:24:48,170 --> 00:24:54,530 S2: my dad. And that felt so unimaginably, um, like I 444 00:24:54,570 --> 00:24:58,370 S2: couldn't think of anyone who deserved less to be forgiven. 445 00:24:58,530 --> 00:25:02,850 S2: Like it was unimaginable to me. Um, but I knew 446 00:25:02,850 --> 00:25:05,250 S2: he was calling me, and I went to my dad, uh, 447 00:25:05,250 --> 00:25:08,689 S2: drove to their house, and, um, he was in the 448 00:25:08,690 --> 00:25:12,290 S2: quintessential father. Dad in his lazy boy. And I was like, hey, 449 00:25:12,290 --> 00:25:14,610 S2: we need to talk real quick, dad. Uh, I just 450 00:25:14,609 --> 00:25:17,969 S2: want to say I forgive you, um, for all that 451 00:25:17,970 --> 00:25:20,170 S2: you did, blah blah blah. He looks at me like 452 00:25:20,170 --> 00:25:24,290 S2: a deer in headlights, like reality is cracking. And he's like, uh, okay, 453 00:25:24,290 --> 00:25:26,449 S2: thank you. And I'm like, okay, cool, bye. And I 454 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,320 S2: get my car and I drive off. It is like, 455 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,280 S2: not something you would put in a movie, right? 456 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,320 S1: Okay, we're going to pause right there. I want to 457 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,800 S1: come back to that to that forgiveness quotient, because that's 458 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,520 S1: where a lot of Christians will push people who have 459 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,840 S1: had some real deep trauma in their life that push 460 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,960 S1: them immediately to forgiveness. And you're going to hear more 461 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,160 S1: from Steven McWhirter and the process he went through. You'll 462 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,959 S1: read about it in the new book, Radically Restored Featured 463 00:25:53,960 --> 00:26:07,359 S1: Resource at Chris Fabry Lives. This is an amazing story. 464 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,640 S1: As soon as I saw the short video of Steven 465 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,280 S1: McWhirter talking about his life, what he'd been through, how 466 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,400 S1: he ran from God, was mad at God, and then 467 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,760 S1: had this radical turnaround, which you've just heard about. I 468 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,840 S1: wanted to have him on. And I promise you're going 469 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,840 S1: to hear this song. Come, Jesus. Come. But if you're 470 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,399 S1: in some dark place like Steven was in. And you say, 471 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,560 S1: there's no way out of this. Listen to his story. 472 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,399 S1: What he has just said is true. God is real. 473 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,360 S1: His forgiveness is real. His restoration is real. There is 474 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:42,240 S1: an aspect of you're alive, but you're not alive, and 475 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,120 S1: you can be fully alive because of his power that 476 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,880 S1: comes through in the book. Also, if you have somebody 477 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,280 S1: in your life who's in a dark place and you've 478 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,879 S1: been crying out to God for them. Get a copy 479 00:26:54,880 --> 00:27:00,240 S1: of this book radically restored. The subtitle is How Knowing 480 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,000 S1: Jesus Heals Our Brokenness. It is for you as well, 481 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,560 S1: to give you hope, to keep praying, to keep reaching 482 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,080 S1: out so that God will do that. It's at our website. Chris. 483 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,480 S1: Chris Fabry lives. Okay. So you went back to your dad. 484 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,399 S1: Your dad hadn't abused your mom. That's another part of 485 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,040 S1: the story. It's like your mom sounds like a really 486 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,679 S1: strong person, but she took this abuse from him for 487 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,920 S1: years and years. How did you reconcile that as a kid? 488 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,600 S1: Did you ever reconcile it? 489 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,560 S2: Ah, well, that's a great question. Um, let's get a 490 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:43,600 S2: therapist on the line. Yeah. Uh, you know, um, she 491 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,919 S2: was she is a very strong person. You know, I 492 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,320 S2: dedicated the book to her with just that exact sentiment, but, um, 493 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,000 S2: you know, it's important to kind of finish out what 494 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,760 S2: I was saying. You know, I went to my dad, 495 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,080 S2: and I. I forgave him, you know, and it was 496 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,320 S2: a very unmagical moment, but I knew that something had 497 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:06,320 S2: happened in that room. Right. Um, beyond what I could see. 498 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:12,760 S2: Fast forward, my, um, my fiance at the time, Tara, uh, 499 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,840 S2: was had been watching. She gives her life to Jesus, 500 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,600 S2: seeing if I mean it. She gets saved. Awesome. And 501 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,400 S2: she's like, hey, I think your dad should baptize us. 502 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,040 S2: I'm like, that is a terrible, awful idea. Whatever. Uh, 503 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,639 S2: we do it on our way to get baptized. We 504 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,520 S2: we pull over on the side of the road because 505 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:35,679 S2: we are in a screaming match. That is probably one 506 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,920 S2: of the biggest we've ever been in our lives. And 507 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,200 S2: it was on our way to get baptized, right? So 508 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,760 S2: we probably should have drove faster. But we get to 509 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,200 S2: this baptism. We we get there because we know something's 510 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,240 S2: going on, right? We get there, we get baptized. It's beautiful. 511 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,880 S2: My mom tells me later that my dad wept all night. Um, 512 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,400 S2: after that, over the idea that is it possible that 513 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:03,560 S2: God could restore what he had broken? And fast forward 514 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,480 S2: a little bit more. My fiance now, my wife Tara, says, 515 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,080 S2: I want your dad to perform our wedding ceremony. I'm 516 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,640 S2: starting to think this marriage isn't going to work out right. 517 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,040 S2: So we we we go through it. It's beautiful. Now, 518 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,360 S2: did you drive separately? 519 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,270 S1: You drove separately to the wedding, right? 520 00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:28,470 S2: Yeah. Uh, well, anyways, right at the time of you, 521 00:29:28,510 --> 00:29:30,670 S2: you and I talking right now, Chris, you know, um, 522 00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:34,510 S2: my dad has passed from cancer, um, over 12 years 523 00:29:34,510 --> 00:29:40,190 S2: ago or something. Now, when somebody goes into hospice, um, 524 00:29:40,190 --> 00:29:43,510 S2: if you've ever gone through this situation, it's it's very difficult. 525 00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:47,350 S2: Somebody goes into hospice and, um, they go into a coma, 526 00:29:47,390 --> 00:29:51,030 S2: typically at a certain point where they're unresponsive and the 527 00:29:51,030 --> 00:29:53,590 S2: nurses and the doctors, they'll tell you, hey, tell them 528 00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:55,910 S2: it's okay to go. They can't respond, but they can 529 00:29:55,910 --> 00:30:01,150 S2: hear you. And typically they will pass soon afterwards. Well, 530 00:30:01,150 --> 00:30:04,270 S2: we had done this with my dad several times, and 531 00:30:04,270 --> 00:30:06,270 S2: this was a week or so had gone by, and 532 00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:08,230 S2: I'm in the room with my dad alone, and I 533 00:30:08,270 --> 00:30:11,630 S2: see him struggling to breathe. And here's this man that 534 00:30:11,630 --> 00:30:16,710 S2: I have hated and tried to forgive and at times 535 00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:22,830 S2: still loved, you know, um, And I just heard the 536 00:30:22,830 --> 00:30:25,550 S2: thought of, you know, I started thinking about where Peter 537 00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:27,469 S2: goes to Jesus. He says, how many times should I 538 00:30:27,470 --> 00:30:30,670 S2: forgive my enemy? Seven times. It seems like a lot. 539 00:30:30,750 --> 00:30:35,430 S2: And Jesus responds, uh, no, seven times. 77 times. Like 540 00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:39,070 S2: you just keep doing it right. You just don't even count. 541 00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:42,350 S2: Just go for it. And I go to my dad 542 00:30:42,390 --> 00:30:45,230 S2: as he's barely breathing. And I lean in one last 543 00:30:45,230 --> 00:30:48,190 S2: time and I said, dad, I love you, and I 544 00:30:48,190 --> 00:30:51,590 S2: really do forgive you. And in that moment, my dad 545 00:30:52,190 --> 00:30:56,990 S2: soul left his body. He breathed his last. And I 546 00:30:57,030 --> 00:31:02,470 S2: knew in that moment that, yeah, I forgave them. But 547 00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:06,070 S2: it may be 77 times. Seven times. And same thing 548 00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:07,950 S2: for my mom. You know, same thing for any of 549 00:31:07,950 --> 00:31:12,990 S2: us that went through that. But the most Jesus like 550 00:31:13,030 --> 00:31:15,430 S2: thing that we can do on this side of eternity. Chris, 551 00:31:15,470 --> 00:31:21,830 S2: I mean, the most Jesus like thing is to forgive it. 552 00:31:22,270 --> 00:31:24,550 S2: There's a reason he tells us to do it so much. 553 00:31:24,910 --> 00:31:27,390 S2: You know, there's a reason why. In the prayer to 554 00:31:27,390 --> 00:31:30,310 S2: forgive us our debts, as we forgive those who trespass 555 00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:33,350 S2: against us. It's the most Jesus like thing to do, 556 00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:35,870 S2: and it is the hardest thing to do. Because for 557 00:31:35,870 --> 00:31:39,150 S2: many of us, forgiveness is about a debt. Like a 558 00:31:39,150 --> 00:31:42,790 S2: real debt somebody owes you, but you have the ability 559 00:31:42,790 --> 00:31:46,710 S2: to tear it up like Jesus, to stop drinking the 560 00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:50,350 S2: poison of unforgiveness which is hurting you. It's not punishing 561 00:31:50,350 --> 00:31:52,550 S2: the other person as much as it's hurting you too. 562 00:31:52,990 --> 00:31:55,990 S2: And on the other side of that, for the person 563 00:31:55,990 --> 00:32:00,830 S2: that's wrong, somebody. There's something really beautiful that Jesus wants 564 00:32:00,830 --> 00:32:05,910 S2: to do on the other side of repentance. I believe 565 00:32:06,190 --> 00:32:08,950 S2: that when we read about repentance in the Bible, it's 566 00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:12,150 S2: pretty much always connected to a blessing, not just, uh oh, 567 00:32:12,190 --> 00:32:14,670 S2: you're in trouble. Everybody's going to find out what you did. But, 568 00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:17,580 S2: you know, Peter says in acts 319 and 20, repent 569 00:32:17,580 --> 00:32:20,980 S2: so that the time of refreshment will come from the Lord. 570 00:32:21,380 --> 00:32:24,140 S2: There's a healing that God wants to do on the 571 00:32:24,140 --> 00:32:26,580 S2: other side of you, turning away from that thing that's 572 00:32:26,580 --> 00:32:30,180 S2: been killing you, killing your family, killing your, your, your 573 00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:35,340 S2: story that he wants to use to to restore and 574 00:32:35,340 --> 00:32:36,540 S2: build something beautiful. 575 00:32:38,100 --> 00:32:40,860 S1: I think there's somebody driving down the road, and maybe 576 00:32:41,020 --> 00:32:43,820 S1: they're in this situation that you were in, or maybe 577 00:32:43,820 --> 00:32:47,460 S1: they're praying for somebody, or maybe there's some someone you 578 00:32:47,460 --> 00:32:49,820 S1: need to forgive. And you know that, and you've tried 579 00:32:49,820 --> 00:32:51,580 S1: to do it and you've done it, but it keeps 580 00:32:51,580 --> 00:32:54,740 S1: coming back again and again. And you need the power 581 00:32:54,740 --> 00:32:57,979 S1: of Jesus in your life. That's what you're going to 582 00:32:57,980 --> 00:33:01,900 S1: hear in this song. It's titled Come, Jesus, Come by 583 00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:03,060 S1: Steven McWhirter. 584 00:33:05,020 --> 00:33:18,500 S4: Sometimes I fall. To my knees and pray. Come. Jesus. Come. 585 00:33:21,860 --> 00:33:35,460 S4: Today be the day. Sometimes I feel. Like I'm gonna break. 586 00:33:38,660 --> 00:33:52,300 S4: But I'm holding on. To hope that won't fade. Come. Jesus, come. 587 00:33:55,340 --> 00:34:03,620 S4: We've been waiting so long. For the day you return. 588 00:34:04,100 --> 00:34:13,300 S4: To heal every hurt and ride every road. We need 589 00:34:13,300 --> 00:34:25,060 S4: you right now. Come and turn this rain. Deep down 590 00:34:25,060 --> 00:34:37,900 S4: I know this world isn't home. Come, Jesus. Come. Come. Jesus. Come. 591 00:34:40,739 --> 00:34:54,300 S4: There'll be no war. There'll be no change. When Jesus come. 592 00:34:57,500 --> 00:35:08,899 S4: Today be the day. You come for the weak. The 593 00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:20,219 S4: strong just the same. And all will believe. In the 594 00:35:20,219 --> 00:35:32,460 S4: power of his name. Come, Jesus. Come. We've been waiting 595 00:35:32,460 --> 00:35:41,339 S4: so long. For the day you return. To heal every 596 00:35:41,380 --> 00:35:50,380 S4: hurt and ride every road. We need you right now. 597 00:35:53,460 --> 00:36:02,500 S4: Come and turn this rain. Deep down I know this 598 00:36:02,500 --> 00:36:13,689 S4: world is in hold. Come, Jesus. Come. Lord Jesus come. 599 00:36:16,290 --> 00:36:24,210 S4: One day he'll come. And we'll stand face to face. 600 00:36:27,170 --> 00:36:34,410 S4: Come and lay it all down. Cause it might be 601 00:36:34,410 --> 00:36:45,690 S4: the day. The time is right now. There's no need 602 00:36:45,690 --> 00:36:56,810 S4: to wait. No. Your past will be washed. The rivers 603 00:36:56,810 --> 00:37:09,009 S4: of grace. Oh, come. Jesus. Come. We've been waiting so long. 604 00:37:12,290 --> 00:37:19,010 S4: For the day. You return to heal every bird ride, 605 00:37:19,010 --> 00:37:30,250 S4: every road. We need you right now. Come and turn 606 00:37:30,250 --> 00:37:42,850 S4: this around. Deep down I know this world is in hold. Come, Jesus. Come. 607 00:37:46,530 --> 00:38:03,169 S4: Lord Jesus. Come. Come, come. Come, Jesus. Come. 608 00:38:06,010 --> 00:38:10,050 S1: I believe somebody need to hear that song today. and 609 00:38:10,330 --> 00:38:13,649 S1: one person that needed it was me. And as you 610 00:38:13,650 --> 00:38:16,569 S1: listen to that again, Stephen, how did you respond? Because 611 00:38:16,570 --> 00:38:19,170 S1: you've sung that along a lot of times. Heard a 612 00:38:19,210 --> 00:38:21,650 S1: lot of times. What happened to you just now? 613 00:38:24,410 --> 00:38:28,529 S2: Um, yeah. You know, I, I still think when I 614 00:38:28,610 --> 00:38:34,970 S2: hear it, there's two things. There's the coming to Jesus, like, come, Jesus, 615 00:38:34,969 --> 00:38:38,690 S2: come enter my life, restore me, renew me. And then, 616 00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:41,490 S2: of course, there's the come, Jesus, come where I think, God, 617 00:38:41,489 --> 00:38:44,890 S2: I just want to love people better here and now. 618 00:38:44,930 --> 00:38:48,530 S2: Towards that day, I want to build things that matter 619 00:38:48,530 --> 00:38:54,610 S2: more here and now, towards that day. Mm. 620 00:38:55,130 --> 00:38:55,610 S3: Yeah. 621 00:38:55,650 --> 00:38:56,049 S1: Live it. 622 00:38:56,050 --> 00:38:57,970 S2: Out. Yeah. 623 00:38:58,010 --> 00:39:02,250 S1: And. And that whole thing about your dad and forgiveness. Uh, 624 00:39:02,530 --> 00:39:04,370 S1: we've got a couple of minutes left here at the 625 00:39:04,370 --> 00:39:07,690 S1: end of the program, if that. If that, uh, song 626 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,120 S1: ministered to you today. I haven't opened the phone lines yet, 627 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:19,520 S1: but I'm going to open them now. 87754836758775483675. The new 628 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,520 S1: book by Steven McWhirter, forwarded by Lee Strobel, of course, 629 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,239 S1: is titled Radically Restored. It's our featured resource. Click through 630 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:33,840 S1: today's information right there. Chris Fabry live. More straight ahead. 631 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,640 S1: Get your Bible questions ready because the two Michaels returned 632 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,560 S1: tomorrow here on Chris Fabry Live. Get your dialing finger 633 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,400 S1: ready as well. The two Michaels talking about the Bible, 634 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,279 S1: the Christian life. It's one of my favorites of the 635 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,719 S1: whole month. Steven McWhirter I've had him on my on 636 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,359 S1: the schedule for weeks and weeks and weeks, and I'm 637 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,520 S1: so glad to get to talk with him about his story. 638 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,440 S1: Radically restored is the book where he tells his story. 639 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,839 S1: Obviously you can hear his music come, Jesus, come and 640 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,279 S1: other records, other songs that he has done. They don't 641 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,760 S1: make records anymore, but you know what I mean? Um, 642 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,680 S1: that whole thing, though, of forgiveness. Yeah, that whole thing 643 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,359 S1: of forgiveness. You have to be careful with telling. Now 644 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,400 S1: you need to forgive. Because to some people, that means, okay, 645 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,399 S1: you open your life up to somebody who's abused you, 646 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,440 S1: and that's not what you're saying, right? 647 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,080 S2: No, not at all. As a matter of fact, when 648 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,239 S2: I say forgiveness is about a debt that we have 649 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,400 S2: the ability to tear up, right? Just like Jesus did ours. Um, 650 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,120 S2: that doesn't mean that we get into a relationship with 651 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,920 S2: those people again, or we give them access. Right? There 652 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:54,960 S2: are consequences to our actions. But yeah, so I think 653 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,359 S2: it's okay to set appropriate boundaries. That being said, I 654 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:04,080 S2: will say this. This is wild because Jesus actually reconciles 655 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,400 S2: to us. Um, now, we may not be able to 656 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,399 S2: do that with people in this of eternity and it 657 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,560 S2: be safe, but that is so wild to think that, um, 658 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,880 S2: despite some of the things we've done, Jesus reconciles himself 659 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:24,200 S2: to us. Um, it's very deep relationship beyond what we've earned. But, 660 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,480 S2: you know, in this side of eternity, man, people do 661 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,239 S2: some things that are really, really tough and really hard, 662 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,680 S2: and it's not always safe. It's not always wise to 663 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,239 S2: allow them back into relationship or, you know, we need 664 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,880 S2: to we need to be wise there. But that being said, 665 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,840 S2: we can still forgive. We can still really love them. Yeah. Um, 666 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,719 S2: with the same love that Jesus has. Right? Because Jesus 667 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,600 S2: here's here's something that should offend people in all the 668 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:55,600 S2: right ways. Jesus 100% loves your greatest enemy. 669 00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:58,719 S5: Wow. 670 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,720 S1: Yep. And that's a hard one because you want Jesus 671 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:04,310 S1: to hate who? 672 00:42:04,350 --> 00:42:06,350 S2: You don't like it any more than you do. 673 00:42:09,870 --> 00:42:13,790 S1: Okay, tell me, what's the best story you've heard in 674 00:42:13,790 --> 00:42:16,430 S1: response to that song? Because Bridget called and was too 675 00:42:16,430 --> 00:42:19,029 S1: emotional to go on with us. She was driving, had 676 00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:21,670 S1: to pull over because she said, it reminds me of 677 00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:25,109 S1: this altar. Call it. It puts me in a mode 678 00:42:25,110 --> 00:42:29,590 S1: of worship. I'm in tears knowing God is so good. 679 00:42:29,630 --> 00:42:33,670 S1: He can touch me in multiple ways and forgiveness being 680 00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:35,910 S1: part of that. What's one of the best stories you've 681 00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:36,990 S1: heard from that song? 682 00:42:38,989 --> 00:42:43,190 S2: Oh, gosh. Um, there are so many, um, you know, 683 00:42:43,230 --> 00:42:47,470 S2: I know stories of someone who was literally in addiction 684 00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:51,750 S2: heard come, Jesus, come and gave their life to Jesus. 685 00:42:51,790 --> 00:42:53,590 S2: You know, those are the best. Those are the ones 686 00:42:53,590 --> 00:42:56,069 S2: where you're like, wow, you know, you write a song 687 00:42:56,070 --> 00:42:59,029 S2: about the return of Jesus, which you might first think 688 00:42:59,030 --> 00:43:02,230 S2: this is for the church to cry out for Jesus 689 00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:05,830 S2: to return. But I love it because Jesus is like, 690 00:43:05,870 --> 00:43:10,750 S2: you know, right? In revelation 22, verse 20. Uh, when 691 00:43:10,750 --> 00:43:13,910 S2: Jesus says, behold, I am coming soon. Before that, it 692 00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:19,070 S2: actually says, um, let the spirit and the bride says, come. 693 00:43:19,110 --> 00:43:23,790 S2: Let all who are thirsty. You know who hunger come. 694 00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:27,669 S2: So there's really this both and there's this calling for 695 00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:31,469 S2: Jesus to come into our lives and this desire for 696 00:43:31,469 --> 00:43:34,750 S2: Jesus to return, and I do. I hear a lot 697 00:43:34,750 --> 00:43:36,509 S2: of people tell stories about how they gave their life 698 00:43:36,510 --> 00:43:39,190 S2: to Jesus. Just hearing that song in the car or 699 00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:43,549 S2: flipping through Instagram or, you know, TikTok. There was a 700 00:43:43,550 --> 00:43:47,550 S2: year where the song really started blowing up and, um, 701 00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:50,310 S2: it opened up the door where so many people just 702 00:43:50,310 --> 00:43:52,510 S2: started following me all of a sudden. So I started 703 00:43:52,510 --> 00:43:56,509 S2: going live on all these platforms, and I would just 704 00:43:56,510 --> 00:44:00,029 S2: share the gospel, share my testimony, worship, and we'd ask 705 00:44:00,030 --> 00:44:01,670 S2: people if they want to give their life to Jesus. 706 00:44:01,670 --> 00:44:05,910 S2: We had 40,000 people say they want to give their 707 00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:08,509 S2: life to Jesus in one year. And we would have 708 00:44:08,510 --> 00:44:11,230 S2: all these prayer people in the country connecting with these people, 709 00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:14,029 S2: helping them connect with ministries and stuff. But a lot 710 00:44:14,030 --> 00:44:16,310 S2: of them was just like they heard come, Jesus, come 711 00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:20,469 S2: during the set or whatever, and just felt overwhelmed by 712 00:44:20,469 --> 00:44:23,669 S2: the presence of God. We actually had a High Priestess 713 00:44:23,710 --> 00:44:27,590 S2: which get saved, um, come all the way to Louisville, 714 00:44:27,590 --> 00:44:29,589 S2: Kentucky where we do an event we baptized her in 715 00:44:29,590 --> 00:44:32,910 S2: front of like a thousand people. Um, so there's been 716 00:44:32,910 --> 00:44:36,630 S2: some pretty, pretty crazy stories that what God's done. Um, 717 00:44:36,670 --> 00:44:37,870 S2: with that song, man. 718 00:44:38,190 --> 00:44:40,509 S1: I love, I love your heart. I love the appendix 719 00:44:40,510 --> 00:44:43,669 S1: of the book about the guy. You get nitty gritty 720 00:44:43,710 --> 00:44:45,589 S1: with the gospel. So let's do that. I've got a 721 00:44:45,590 --> 00:44:48,750 S1: minute and a half left. If there's somebody who says, okay, 722 00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:51,350 S1: I'm in, I want to do what you've done. I 723 00:44:51,350 --> 00:44:53,790 S1: want freedom in my life, and I want to be 724 00:44:53,790 --> 00:44:55,989 S1: restored like you're talking about. What do I do? How 725 00:44:55,989 --> 00:44:56,870 S1: do I do that? 726 00:44:59,190 --> 00:45:01,430 S2: Um, Uh, so I don't have the book in front 727 00:45:01,430 --> 00:45:03,430 S2: of me. So if I get it wrong, you have full, 728 00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:06,990 S2: full rights to correct me. Chris, get in there. Uh, 729 00:45:07,550 --> 00:45:11,230 S2: you know, um, it's real simple. I feel like it's 730 00:45:11,230 --> 00:45:14,109 S2: it's simpler than we make it sometimes. It literally is 731 00:45:14,110 --> 00:45:17,870 S2: turning to Jesus and say, I believe again, the only 732 00:45:17,870 --> 00:45:20,350 S2: work Jesus said, the only work the father asks of 733 00:45:20,350 --> 00:45:22,990 S2: you is to believe Jesus. I believe, but it's also 734 00:45:22,989 --> 00:45:26,350 S2: okay to go Jesus, just like the one I want 735 00:45:27,110 --> 00:45:31,469 S2: to believe, help me believe, um, to turn to him. 736 00:45:31,469 --> 00:45:34,469 S2: And just very simply, I believe you did it. I 737 00:45:34,469 --> 00:45:37,910 S2: believe you did what I could not do. You paid 738 00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:41,029 S2: the debt. I could not pay. You made a way 739 00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:43,390 S2: for me. So it's not about me getting perfect before 740 00:45:43,390 --> 00:45:46,750 S2: I come to you. It's about me believing you did 741 00:45:46,750 --> 00:45:49,870 S2: what I couldn't. You took my place and made a 742 00:45:49,870 --> 00:45:52,310 S2: way for me. So I'm not upset that there's only 743 00:45:52,310 --> 00:45:56,950 S2: one way. I don't deserve any way. Um. So thank you, Jesus. 744 00:45:56,950 --> 00:46:00,420 S2: And I surrender my life to you right now. Um, 745 00:46:00,460 --> 00:46:03,860 S2: just that very simple place of turning to him, believing 746 00:46:03,860 --> 00:46:06,899 S2: he did what he. You couldn't. Surrendering your life with 747 00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:12,660 S2: him to him. And honestly, when you do that, quickly 748 00:46:12,660 --> 00:46:17,500 S2: go and find other people that love Jesus. Um, that 749 00:46:17,500 --> 00:46:21,020 S2: love you, surround you to cheer you on because it's real. 750 00:46:21,020 --> 00:46:22,380 S2: You're not meant to go it alone. 751 00:46:22,860 --> 00:46:23,300 S5: Yeah. 752 00:46:23,980 --> 00:46:25,460 S1: Oh, that's so good. And if you go to Chris 753 00:46:26,060 --> 00:46:28,260 S1: org at the top and the bottom of the page, 754 00:46:28,260 --> 00:46:30,940 S1: we've got how to know Christ or knowing Christ. There's 755 00:46:30,940 --> 00:46:35,100 S1: a prayer there for you. But the book radically restored. 756 00:46:35,540 --> 00:46:38,580 S1: What a story Steven McWhirter. Thanks for being with us 757 00:46:38,580 --> 00:46:41,100 S1: today at the radio backyard fence again. Go to Chris. 758 00:46:43,900 --> 00:46:46,540 S1: Thanks for listening. Come on back tomorrow for the two Michaels, 759 00:46:46,540 --> 00:46:49,980 S1: for Chris Fabry live production of Moody Radio, a ministry 760 00:46:49,980 --> 00:46:51,940 S1: of Moody Bible Institute.