WEBVTT - Hour 1: Study the Bible with Mike Fabarez 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:11.119 Do you have a question about the Bible? Do you 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:13.280 ever wonder what we can know and understand about God? 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:16.080 Or maybe you're struggling with an issue in your walk 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:19.239 with the Lord. Would like some biblical guidance. Well, that's 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:21.640 why we're here. You're in the right place. We want 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:25.280 to help you understand God's Word, understand the God that 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:28.840 we love and serve. Hello, friends. It's open line time 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:33.520 with Doctor Michael Riddell. Nick Moody, radio's Bible study all 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:35.559 the way across America. The phone number this morning to 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:45.800 get involved in the program is (877) 548-3675. Write it down (877) 548-3675. 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:49.160 And if you say doctor Ray, Nick sounds funny this morning, 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:51.320 that's because I am not Michael Riddell. Nick I am 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:54.920 Mike Fabares sitting in today for Michael Redlick. And I'm 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:57.520 coming to you live in the windy City of Chicago, 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:00.850 which happens to be very windy this morning. Many stations 0:01:00.850 --> 0:01:04.130 here carrying the program across Moody Radio were sitting around 0:01:04.130 --> 0:01:07.610 as Doctor Riddell likes to say, in the kitchen table, 0:01:07.650 --> 0:01:09.810 talking about the Bible, talking about God, talking about your 0:01:09.810 --> 0:01:12.850 Christian life. I'm the pastor of the Compass Bible Church 0:01:12.850 --> 0:01:16.089 in Aliso Viejo, California. Also happened to be a graduate 0:01:16.090 --> 0:01:19.490 of Moody Bible Institute, just like Michael Ray Melnick. And 0:01:19.490 --> 0:01:21.890 if you've heard my voice before, it may be because 0:01:21.890 --> 0:01:24.930 you've listened to Focal Point right here on Moody Radio. 0:01:25.170 --> 0:01:28.490 Authored a number of books, some for Moody Publishing, which 0:01:28.490 --> 0:01:32.529 I hope they're happy about. We're we're we're actually talking 0:01:32.530 --> 0:01:34.410 about a new book. I won't I will just tease 0:01:34.410 --> 0:01:36.050 you with that. We're talking about a new book right 0:01:36.050 --> 0:01:40.250 now with Moody Publishing, and we're excited about the possibility there. Anyway, 0:01:40.250 --> 0:01:44.410 I'm here today and Doctor Riddell is on stage. He's 0:01:44.410 --> 0:01:47.810 about to get up on stage to pass out diplomas 0:01:47.810 --> 0:01:51.730 and degrees at Moody Bible Institute's graduation, and so I 0:01:51.770 --> 0:01:54.050 am happy to sit in for him today as he's 0:01:54.050 --> 0:01:56.370 doing very important things. Our phone number again, if you 0:01:56.370 --> 0:01:58.290 have a question about the Bible, the Christian life, something 0:01:58.380 --> 0:02:01.180 on your mind that I can be helpful to get 0:02:01.180 --> 0:02:03.500 you to think through it biblically? You've got to call me. 0:02:03.500 --> 0:02:09.340 So right now we got a couple lines still open (877) 548-3675. 0:02:09.700 --> 0:02:15.260 Get it again. 877. That's a toll free area. Code 5483675. 0:02:15.460 --> 0:02:18.019 Or if you want to, you can send your questions 0:02:18.020 --> 0:02:24.419 through our open line website. That's open line radio.org. No spaces, 0:02:24.419 --> 0:02:27.380 no dashes, just open line radio.org. And you can fill 0:02:27.380 --> 0:02:30.419 out that little section that says Ask Michael a question. 0:02:30.780 --> 0:02:33.100 And if you do that, it'll come to us. 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And I love sitting 0:03:06.230 --> 0:03:08.030 in for doctor Ray Melnick. And I love doing the 0:03:08.030 --> 0:03:10.950 show here. And whenever he's out, he's not out very often. 0:03:10.950 --> 0:03:14.070 This guy stays healthy. He's he's here like like old 0:03:14.070 --> 0:03:17.310 faithful doing his work and we love him. But today, 0:03:17.310 --> 0:03:19.750 just a little curveball we're throwing you. Mike Faber is 0:03:19.750 --> 0:03:22.910 sitting in for doctor Ray. Let's get going. We might 0:03:22.910 --> 0:03:25.950 as well do. Let's talk to Robert in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. 0:03:25.950 --> 0:03:31.670 You're on the air with pastor Mike. How can I help? Robert, 0:03:31.669 --> 0:03:38.350 are you there? Okay, let's go to Lorraine in Carmel, Indiana. Lorraine, 0:03:38.350 --> 0:03:41.230 you're on the air with pastor Mike. How can I help? 0:03:42.390 --> 0:03:46.870 Nice to talk to you today. Hey, my question is, 0:03:47.070 --> 0:03:47.750 can you hear me? 0:03:47.750 --> 0:03:49.310 I can hear you just fine. Lorraine. 0:03:49.350 --> 0:03:53.670 Yes. Um, a couple weeks ago, we attended a funeral 0:03:53.670 --> 0:03:58.600 for my sister in law, And, um, I am not 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:02.040 sure that the rest of the family is ready to 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:06.120 join her in heaven. So how is the best way 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:12.240 for me to share with my nephews, um, how they 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:16.160 could get to heaven without offending and causing a rift? 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:18.960 Well, I don't know that that is possible. And Jesus 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.360 told us that it's going to be hard to share 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.600 the truth of the gospel with people. So, number one, 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:26.760 I take that off the priority. What we want to 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:31.279 focus on is sharing the gospel with respect and gentleness, 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:34.080 which sounds like Lorraine. That should be no problem for you. 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:36.920 And I would just say to them, listen, I got 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:39.400 to tell you, it is very important that we get 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:42.719 ready for the next life. And you may think it's 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:45.599 just grandma or your great aunt or whatever, just trying 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:47.960 to give you old fashioned information. This is not old fashioned. 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:52.040 This is as relevant as every funeral that is conducted 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:54.890 in our county today, and that is that you're ready 0:04:54.890 --> 0:04:57.250 to meet your maker. And I want to make sure 0:04:57.250 --> 0:05:00.090 you spend eternity with them and with me. And I 0:05:00.089 --> 0:05:02.130 want to I want to tell you the good news 0:05:02.490 --> 0:05:06.010 that your sins have been paid for by Christ. So 0:05:06.010 --> 0:05:08.169 you want to approach it that way. Just give them 0:05:08.170 --> 0:05:10.810 the sense that you care about them. Make sure they 0:05:10.810 --> 0:05:12.370 don't put it in a category of this is just 0:05:12.370 --> 0:05:15.130 old fashioned grandma's stuff. Make sure that they understand this 0:05:15.130 --> 0:05:17.890 is something true for every human being, and the only 0:05:17.890 --> 0:05:20.770 reason you've got to share with them is because you 0:05:20.810 --> 0:05:22.850 care about where they're going to spend eternity. And if 0:05:22.850 --> 0:05:25.130 you start with that, and then you get them in 0:05:25.130 --> 0:05:27.250 a context where maybe you're eating a meal or you're 0:05:27.250 --> 0:05:29.690 just they're on a couch, you know, sitting next to 0:05:29.690 --> 0:05:32.330 each other talking. I think that's the best we can 0:05:32.330 --> 0:05:35.730 do because Jesus said, right, he's going to he's going 0:05:35.730 --> 0:05:38.729 to divide families up if we're faithful to share his message. 0:05:38.730 --> 0:05:41.610 And it's not the good news part that they struggle with, right? 0:05:41.650 --> 0:05:43.130 If you say, I got to guarantee that you'll go 0:05:43.130 --> 0:05:44.969 to heaven, they love that part. It's that you have 0:05:44.970 --> 0:05:47.010 to share the bad news before we get to the 0:05:47.010 --> 0:05:49.290 good news. And that's the part that's. It's like saying, hey, 0:05:49.290 --> 0:05:51.250 I want to tell someone they're dressed all wrong for 0:05:51.250 --> 0:05:53.580 this event. How do I say that without offending them. Well, 0:05:53.580 --> 0:05:55.979 sometimes you can't do it. You know, you're going to 0:05:55.980 --> 0:05:58.060 say you're not dressed, right? And that's the parable Jesus 0:05:58.060 --> 0:06:00.820 told someone at a wedding reception, not dressed properly. You 0:06:00.860 --> 0:06:02.940 got to leave or, you know, you got to change. 0:06:02.940 --> 0:06:05.540 And this is the problem. People don't like that change. 0:06:05.540 --> 0:06:09.900 So Lorraine, gentleness, respect and honesty and make sure you 0:06:09.900 --> 0:06:11.900 tell them this isn't an old person thing. This is 0:06:11.900 --> 0:06:15.020 not a traditional thing. This is not yesteryear religion. This 0:06:15.020 --> 0:06:17.940 is as relevant as today. Every human being needs to 0:06:17.940 --> 0:06:20.220 get right with their maker. Does that help? 0:06:20.580 --> 0:06:27.219 That sounds. It helps immensely. I wrote written notes. What? 0:06:27.220 --> 0:06:30.500 You're suggesting we talk to them rather than write them 0:06:30.500 --> 0:06:30.940 a letter? 0:06:30.980 --> 0:06:33.980 Yeah, I would, I mean, if it's possible, if you're 0:06:34.020 --> 0:06:37.180 separated by distance, you know, that's different. Yes. And listen, 0:06:37.180 --> 0:06:40.339 I wouldn't mind you writing out some things that relate 0:06:40.339 --> 0:06:43.140 to the gospel, right? God is holy. He's creator. He's just. 0:06:43.140 --> 0:06:45.419 He's loving. We have a sin problem. Jesus came to 0:06:45.460 --> 0:06:47.060 solve it. You can write all that and leave it 0:06:47.060 --> 0:06:50.020 with them. But I'd certainly start with a with a 0:06:50.020 --> 0:06:52.550 face to face conversation and tell them it's because I 0:06:52.589 --> 0:06:54.750 care about you. It's because I love you, and I 0:06:54.750 --> 0:06:56.349 care about where you're going to be a thousand years 0:06:56.350 --> 0:07:00.190 from now. So I think that's the way to start. Okay. 0:07:00.790 --> 0:07:03.510 Oh thank you Mike. I really appreciate. 0:07:03.510 --> 0:07:05.270 It. All right. Lorraine, I love the fact that you 0:07:05.310 --> 0:07:07.590 called in today with such an important question to lead 0:07:07.589 --> 0:07:09.870 off the program. Thank you so much. All right. Many 0:07:09.870 --> 0:07:12.030 of our listeners will pray for you in that conversation. 0:07:12.030 --> 0:07:14.670 Let's try Robert again. Line one, Fort Lauderdale, you're on 0:07:14.670 --> 0:07:16.470 the air with pastor Mike. How can I help? 0:07:16.510 --> 0:07:17.910 Yeah. Can you hear me this time? 0:07:17.910 --> 0:07:19.030 I can hear you this time. 0:07:19.430 --> 0:07:23.950 Okay. Uh, the cross, the ornament that they have in 0:07:23.950 --> 0:07:29.710 the sanctuary, ranging anywhere from 4ft to 20ft. Uh, on 0:07:29.710 --> 0:07:34.110 some sanctuaries, the cross will have on the cross beam 0:07:34.150 --> 0:07:37.190 a white cloth draped over it. You know what I'm 0:07:37.230 --> 0:07:41.230 talking about, I do. Where did that tradition come from? 0:07:41.230 --> 0:07:43.310 And what is the name of that cloth? 0:07:43.430 --> 0:07:46.510 Well, I'd have to look up the name of the cloth, 0:07:46.510 --> 0:07:49.110 but it came as a tradition. A white cloth on 0:07:49.110 --> 0:07:52.800 a cross that was given as a as a symbol 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:57.160 of the resurrection centuries ago, where people have said here 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:01.880 the cloth is representing a conquering the grave. Now, sometimes 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.400 churches who had Good Friday services will put a red 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:07.480 cloth over the cross, and then on Sunday they would 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.160 bring a white cloth, and they would adorn the cross 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:14.240 with that white cloth to show that he dies. The red, 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:16.560 of course, representing his death and his blood, and the 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:19.840 white representing the fact that he accomplished our righteousness and 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.520 has risen from the dead and conquered the grave. So 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:26.160 that's why that dramatic change in a service that's only 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:29.520 three days apart. That was the tradition, and I'd have 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:30.640 to look up the name for it. I don't I 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:32.480 don't even remember that there was a name for it. 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:35.400 I'm sure there is. But that's where that came from. 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:38.600 Now a lot of people will adorn their crosses only 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.320 for Easter and Good Friday. And the rest of the time, 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:43.720 if it's a Protestant church, they just take take that 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:45.880 down and some of them may leave it up for 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:47.880 a while. And if it's up year round, well, that 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.090 would be unique. I have not seen that in at 0:08:50.090 --> 0:08:51.450 least the churches that I've been in. 0:08:52.450 --> 0:08:52.930 All right. 0:08:53.170 --> 0:08:53.850 That help? 0:08:54.929 --> 0:08:56.850 Well, when are you going to find the name of it, 0:08:56.850 --> 0:08:58.330 or do I have to call one again? 0:08:58.370 --> 0:09:00.890 Well, you know what? Uh, you know what? Hold on. 0:09:00.929 --> 0:09:03.929 I do listen to you during the weekdays. Okay. I mean, 0:09:03.970 --> 0:09:06.450 if you throw it out there during the weekdays, I'll 0:09:06.450 --> 0:09:06.929 catch it. 0:09:06.970 --> 0:09:09.010 You know what? During the break, I will look this 0:09:09.010 --> 0:09:11.370 up and I'll tell you what. Uh, I'll make sure 0:09:11.370 --> 0:09:13.930 and mention it right after the break. How's that? Okay. 0:09:13.970 --> 0:09:17.250 Keep listening today, Robert. Okay. Let's go to line four. Morris, 0:09:17.290 --> 0:09:19.130 you're on the air with pastor Mike Faber is sitting 0:09:19.130 --> 0:09:20.890 in for Doctor Melnick. How can I help? 0:09:21.490 --> 0:09:24.290 Yes, I'd like to know. You know, according to the Bible, 0:09:24.450 --> 0:09:27.730 if we put anything ahead of God, it's almost like 0:09:27.730 --> 0:09:30.290 worshiping a false idol. 0:09:30.330 --> 0:09:30.850 Correct. 0:09:30.890 --> 0:09:34.730 And I'm understand. Can sports be considered an idol by 0:09:34.730 --> 0:09:38.130 the way we go for sports ahead of everything? 0:09:38.170 --> 0:09:44.570 Yes, absolutely. Sports. Uh, computers, uh, art, uh, riding bicycles, uh, 0:09:44.570 --> 0:09:48.819 anything can become a greater priority. And, uh, you know, 0:09:48.860 --> 0:09:50.780 you've said it, and I think we set people up. 0:09:50.780 --> 0:09:52.540 And let me just let me get on my soapbox 0:09:52.540 --> 0:09:55.580 now that you brought it up. Okay. I think parents 0:09:55.580 --> 0:09:58.060 set up the next generation when they're willing to tell 0:09:58.059 --> 0:10:01.020 their kids, hey, I know soccer. You know, it's just 0:10:01.020 --> 0:10:03.540 soccer season. But it's okay. We can miss church. We 0:10:03.540 --> 0:10:06.380 can miss, you know, the kids program or Awana or whatever. Just. 0:10:06.540 --> 0:10:09.260 We're just going to do this. And they learn that 0:10:09.300 --> 0:10:12.380 sports is more important than God or worshiping or assembling 0:10:12.380 --> 0:10:15.220 for a sermon. So I think parents need to help 0:10:15.220 --> 0:10:19.980 the next generation understand gathering together is more important than 0:10:19.980 --> 0:10:22.740 forsaking it for other things. Right. And of course, every 0:10:22.740 --> 0:10:24.100 now and then we have to take a vacation or 0:10:24.100 --> 0:10:26.660 traveling across the country or whatever. But even then, I 0:10:26.660 --> 0:10:28.459 remember raising our kids and saying, I don't care where 0:10:28.460 --> 0:10:29.980 we're at, we're going to find a church and go 0:10:29.980 --> 0:10:32.180 to church. But I'll tell you what we need to 0:10:32.220 --> 0:10:35.100 show that God, the assembling of the people together, the 0:10:35.140 --> 0:10:37.819 worship of Jesus Christ, the preaching of the word, way 0:10:37.820 --> 0:10:40.340 more important than anything else. So yes, it can be 0:10:40.340 --> 0:10:43.740 a problem. I remember reading old sermons from Chrysostom way 0:10:43.740 --> 0:10:46.870 back in the day, and he was preaching there in 0:10:46.870 --> 0:10:49.230 what is modern day Turkey. And he used to talk 0:10:49.270 --> 0:10:53.309 about how the chariot races, uh, in the, uh, this 0:10:53.309 --> 0:10:56.709 Byzantine Empire had become too important to his congregation and 0:10:56.710 --> 0:10:58.670 that they were willing to put all their energy and 0:10:58.670 --> 0:11:02.670 effort into the chariot races. And I think that is 0:11:02.670 --> 0:11:05.340 as relevant, even though it may be, you know, 16 0:11:05.340 --> 0:11:08.550 or 1700 years old. It's as relevant as us sitting 0:11:08.550 --> 0:11:11.070 here today where people are more excited about a football 0:11:11.070 --> 0:11:14.070 game or a baseball game than they are about Jesus Christ. 0:11:14.070 --> 0:11:18.230 So I have no problem saying that's exactly, uh, one 0:11:18.230 --> 0:11:21.270 idol that's very popular in our day. You've seen that, 0:11:21.309 --> 0:11:21.910 haven't you? 0:11:22.750 --> 0:11:24.430 So, you know, when you go to these sporting events, 0:11:24.429 --> 0:11:27.110 you see all these people in the stands standing in 0:11:27.110 --> 0:11:30.630 long lines, and they can't find nobody in church hardly 0:11:30.630 --> 0:11:31.350 anymore these. 0:11:31.350 --> 0:11:33.830 Days, I hear you, I hear you, and this is 0:11:33.830 --> 0:11:36.870 happening slowly. And we've seen that. So, Maurice, you keep 0:11:36.870 --> 0:11:39.750 preaching that message and tell people Jesus is more important 0:11:39.750 --> 0:11:42.189 than any sport. It's more important than any hobby. It's 0:11:42.190 --> 0:11:43.950 more important than walking the dog and going and getting 0:11:43.950 --> 0:11:46.160 your coffee in the morning. It's more important than anything else. 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:49.559 We need to put Jesus Christ first. Thanks for that reminder, Maurice. 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:51.360 We got to move on. Here. Take a quick break. 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:53.959 I'm sitting in for Doctor Michael Ray Melnick. You're listening 0:11:53.960 --> 0:12:00.920 to Moody Open Line on Moody Radio. The phone number (877) 548-3675. 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:02.840 And I'd love to get you on the next segment. 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:09.960 So call that number (877) 548-3675. We've got some important things 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:12.720 to tell you about opportunities coming up. Coming up. 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:27.760 Biblical literacy is essential for spiritual growth. 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Radio org. 0:12:57.050 --> 0:12:59.530 Well, welcome back to Open Line with Doctor Michael Riedel. 0:12:59.690 --> 0:13:02.570 My name is Mike Fabares, and we were just before 0:13:02.570 --> 0:13:05.130 the break talking to Robert at least a couple calls ago, 0:13:05.170 --> 0:13:08.770 talking about the name of the cloth that is draped 0:13:09.130 --> 0:13:13.010 over the cross during, uh, as I've looked it up 0:13:13.010 --> 0:13:17.410 during lent, also in the liturgical churches and, uh, Good 0:13:17.410 --> 0:13:21.530 Friday and on Resurrection Sunday. Well, he asked when it started. Well, 0:13:21.530 --> 0:13:23.370 let's just talk about the name of it. Sometimes it's 0:13:23.370 --> 0:13:27.650 just called the Resurrection Cloth. Uh, if it is, uh, 0:13:27.650 --> 0:13:31.050 in a high church, sometimes it's called the liturgical cross. Um, 0:13:31.090 --> 0:13:33.850 that's what it's called. And usually now they will say 0:13:33.850 --> 0:13:36.210 either a crimson or a purple is what they dress 0:13:36.210 --> 0:13:38.650 it in during Passion Week. And then a black cloth 0:13:38.650 --> 0:13:41.290 is sometimes used for Good Friday. And then a white 0:13:41.290 --> 0:13:44.579 cloth is displayed on Easter Sunday. Now, when did it start? 0:13:44.620 --> 0:13:47.300 Early church didn't even use the cross as a symbol 0:13:47.300 --> 0:13:51.220 for the first 400 years or so. But the medieval period, 0:13:51.220 --> 0:13:54.620 they started to veil their crosses in different ways. And 0:13:54.620 --> 0:13:57.579 during the Reformation 500 years ago, of course, they got 0:13:57.580 --> 0:14:00.180 rid of a lot of the symbolism, which was fine 0:14:00.179 --> 0:14:03.020 with me. I'm a bit of an iconoclast myself. That's 0:14:03.020 --> 0:14:05.179 the word they use for saying, let's just minimize the 0:14:05.179 --> 0:14:08.939 symbolism in worship. And the modern practice. You'll see purple 0:14:08.940 --> 0:14:12.540 during Lent and Palm Sunday, black in some churches, or 0:14:12.580 --> 0:14:17.020 red on Good Friday and white on Easter Sunday. So, Robert, 0:14:17.020 --> 0:14:18.620 that's what they call it. You want to know the 0:14:18.620 --> 0:14:22.300 name liturgical cloth, sometimes the altar veil or the resurrection 0:14:22.300 --> 0:14:25.420 cloth or victory cloth. Some call it. And I hope 0:14:25.420 --> 0:14:28.940 that helps you. All right, let's go back to the phones. 0:14:28.940 --> 0:14:31.820 Let's talk to coy in Cleveland, line five, you're on 0:14:31.820 --> 0:14:33.620 the air with pastor Mike Faber. How can I help? 0:14:34.740 --> 0:14:35.340 Hello. 0:14:37.140 --> 0:14:39.100 Yes, yes I can. What's your question today? 0:14:39.980 --> 0:14:42.510 Uh, I have a question about on the book of Genesis. 0:14:43.390 --> 0:14:48.110 So when it talks about even the snake, me and 0:14:48.110 --> 0:14:50.630 my buddy were talking about it and we couldn't find 0:14:50.630 --> 0:14:53.230 where it was, talking about where God talked to Eve 0:14:53.230 --> 0:14:55.150 and Adam, we could only find where it was like 0:14:55.190 --> 0:14:57.630 talking to Adam. I was wondering if you could break 0:14:57.630 --> 0:14:58.510 that down for me. 0:14:59.630 --> 0:15:03.550 Yeah, well, let's go back to the text itself. Um, certainly. 0:15:03.590 --> 0:15:06.950 God did talk to Eve directly in Genesis three during, uh, 0:15:06.950 --> 0:15:09.270 what is called the curse. But let me open up 0:15:09.270 --> 0:15:13.190 here in Genesis and, uh, all of the commands not 0:15:13.190 --> 0:15:17.110 to eat this clearly directed for both Adam and Eve. 0:15:17.150 --> 0:15:20.230 So if that's the concern, you know, it was something 0:15:20.230 --> 0:15:23.230 that Adam was supposed to do to make sure that 0:15:23.230 --> 0:15:26.150 he and his wife did not eat of this, but 0:15:26.150 --> 0:15:29.630 to minimize her sin. Because if I'm trying to follow 0:15:29.630 --> 0:15:31.910 your logic here, you might think, well, if God didn't 0:15:31.910 --> 0:15:35.750 directly tell Eve, maybe the command wasn't as clear. Please 0:15:35.750 --> 0:15:38.990 remember everything about the marriage in the garden before the 0:15:38.990 --> 0:15:42.760 fall was perfect. And in that sense, there's no gaming, 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:47.400 there's no half truths. There's no misunderstandings. I mean, everyone 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:51.880 understood everything. If God says, uh, don't eat from the tree, right? 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.680 I mean, then that certainly is the command that Adam 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.320 and Eve would both understand came with all the authority 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:00.240 of heaven. So, um. Yeah, as I look through the 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:02.920 text here in Genesis one and two, uh, all the 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:07.320 direction here, of course, applies to both of them. And, um, 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.800 you know, I just think that is something we have 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.360 to say. Didn't come with any confusion or didn't come 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:17.440 with any kind of, um, you know, of mitigation of 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:19.600 of the story. Right? They were told they can't eat 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:21.720 from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.360 And that was clear. And God commanded, even though it 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.200 does say in Genesis 216 to the man, you may 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.400 surely eat of the tree of the garden, right? Um, 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:31.080 but you can't eat from the tree of the knowledge 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:33.520 of good and evil. It applies to both the man 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:35.960 and the woman. It's an interesting thing you bring up, 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.320 and I'm going to go back through this on my 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:41.770 own and consider all of that. But still, I know 0:16:41.770 --> 0:16:44.250 that because of the perfection of the garden, this command 0:16:44.250 --> 0:16:48.130 came with full authority, clarity, and that, you know, Eve, 0:16:48.170 --> 0:16:50.730 clearly in the New Testament, is described as sinning and 0:16:50.730 --> 0:16:54.370 diving into transgression because she was deceived, knew what was right, 0:16:54.370 --> 0:16:57.210 and did what was wrong instead. So where did you 0:16:57.210 --> 0:16:59.010 go with that? Coy, because it's interesting that you make 0:16:59.010 --> 0:17:04.490 this observation. What what was the implication of making that observation? 0:17:06.130 --> 0:17:08.810 Well, we were looking at it and we were confused 0:17:08.850 --> 0:17:12.129 and we started talking about it. And he brought up 0:17:12.369 --> 0:17:15.290 the fact, you know, as you said, he talked to 0:17:15.290 --> 0:17:18.810 the man and we didn't think of it as a 0:17:18.850 --> 0:17:21.970 perfect place at the time. Yeah, it's an interesting point 0:17:21.970 --> 0:17:23.810 of view. And now that I think of it like that, 0:17:23.810 --> 0:17:27.609 it makes a lot more sense. But we were thinking 0:17:27.609 --> 0:17:32.409 maybe like Adam being a man didn't really talk too 0:17:32.410 --> 0:17:33.609 much to Eve about it. 0:17:35.090 --> 0:17:37.780 Oh, I get it now. Yeah. Right. Right. And that's 0:17:37.780 --> 0:17:40.300 exactly what I tried to say. We can't project the 0:17:40.300 --> 0:17:42.460 way that we might talk to our wives or fail 0:17:42.460 --> 0:17:45.300 to talk to our wives, uh, in the perfect setting 0:17:45.300 --> 0:17:47.540 of the garden. And I'm looking at Genesis three when 0:17:47.580 --> 0:17:51.740 Eve comes up, uh, here. And Satan is tempting her. Right? 0:17:51.780 --> 0:17:55.580 He says, Did God actually say. And and the woman 0:17:55.740 --> 0:17:59.100 repeats the command. Yeah. She said, yeah. God said, you 0:17:59.100 --> 0:18:00.460 shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that's 0:18:00.460 --> 0:18:02.020 in the midst of the garden. Neither shall you touch it, 0:18:02.020 --> 0:18:06.260 lest you die. Now that is intensifying what God actually says, right? 0:18:06.300 --> 0:18:09.740 But think of think about it. She knew what was said, 0:18:09.740 --> 0:18:12.020 and clearly it was communicated to her. And I just 0:18:12.020 --> 0:18:15.940 think because we're looking at a narrative synopsis like a 0:18:15.980 --> 0:18:20.980 truncated short narrative of what happened, I don't think there's 0:18:20.980 --> 0:18:23.860 any doubt that that God made this clear to her 0:18:23.900 --> 0:18:25.179 as well. Um. 0:18:25.540 --> 0:18:26.060 All right. 0:18:26.100 --> 0:18:27.859 Yeah, but I get it, I get it. And I 0:18:27.900 --> 0:18:32.340 know I'm I'm imagining and filling in the blanks, but 0:18:32.340 --> 0:18:34.580 I do know she's able to repeat the command and 0:18:34.580 --> 0:18:41.190 even intensify it in Genesis chapter three. So. Ah. Yeah. Yep. 0:18:41.230 --> 0:18:43.470 It's not. It's not like our marriages where we fail 0:18:43.470 --> 0:18:46.190 to tell our wives many things. Because I know what 0:18:46.190 --> 0:18:49.149 that's about. Thanks for that call. That's very thoughtful and 0:18:49.190 --> 0:18:52.070 interesting and helpful for us to all think about. Let's 0:18:52.070 --> 0:18:54.910 go to line 6th June right here in Chicago. You're 0:18:54.910 --> 0:18:57.390 on the air with pastor Mike Fabares. How can I help? 0:18:58.390 --> 0:19:02.590 Thank you. Pastor. Yes, I've been reading in acts 14 0:19:02.750 --> 0:19:07.790 about Paul being stoned, and I see some similarity between 0:19:07.790 --> 0:19:13.229 him and Stephen. Was Paul actually dead? And the God 0:19:13.310 --> 0:19:16.110 revived him, and did he go to the third heaven 0:19:16.109 --> 0:19:17.070 at that time? 0:19:17.109 --> 0:19:19.630 I don't think so. And I remember preaching through this 0:19:19.630 --> 0:19:22.270 passage and thinking about this. As a matter of fact, 0:19:22.270 --> 0:19:27.110 strangely enough, I watched a video that I received from 0:19:27.109 --> 0:19:30.350 somebody about an actual stoning in the modern era. And 0:19:30.350 --> 0:19:32.710 I do know this. It is such a horrific way 0:19:32.869 --> 0:19:35.480 to die. And of course, there's throwing stones of all 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:39.840 different sizes, maybe as large as a baseball. If this 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:42.720 is painful and you can see that a man might 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:45.840 be left for dead, but not truly been dead, I 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:48.000 think Paul, when he was caught up, as it says 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:51.600 in Second Corinthians 12, uh, he was not because he 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:53.760 was in an injury or in a coma or in 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:57.280 some kind of, uh, health crisis. I think this is 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.720 about God making clear to him some things. And I 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:03.439 just don't imagine, as I read both those passages in 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:06.600 very close detail, that it was something that came out 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:09.399 of a medical crisis. So I wouldn't go there and 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:12.280 try and insert those two passages together. Uh, and I 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:14.680 do think they dragged him out. Supposing he was dead. 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:17.160 That's what it says in acts 1419. So I don't 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:19.720 think he died. I don't think his spirit left his body, 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:22.439 because that is the definition of death. When the spirit 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:24.840 leaves the body and, uh, we see that all the 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:27.240 way back to Genesis. But no, I don't think he 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:29.240 was dead. I think, as the text is careful to say. 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:33.120 And remember Luke, who is writing this traveling companion of Paul, 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:36.490 he's a doctor, and he uses that word. Uh, supposing 0:20:36.490 --> 0:20:38.530 he was dead. So I don't think he was. Does 0:20:38.530 --> 0:20:39.330 that help, June? 0:20:39.369 --> 0:20:42.330 Well, it does help me. Do you have time for 0:20:42.330 --> 0:20:43.250 another question? 0:20:43.290 --> 0:20:44.130 Yeah. Lay it on me. 0:20:45.290 --> 0:20:48.010 Well, in acts, it talks a lot about the Holy 0:20:48.010 --> 0:20:53.010 Spirit giving direction to the apostles and the Christians. And 0:20:53.050 --> 0:20:56.250 it seems like he talked to them, um, you know, 0:20:56.290 --> 0:21:00.930 out loud. Is that true? Well, how did he communicate? 0:21:00.970 --> 0:21:05.369 And then they fasted and prayed. And the spirit. It 0:21:05.369 --> 0:21:08.770 seems like his voice told them what to do, where 0:21:08.810 --> 0:21:09.330 to go. 0:21:09.369 --> 0:21:11.570 Yeah. And that's that goes back to the title of 0:21:11.570 --> 0:21:15.090 the book, The Acts of the apostles. Even this from 0:21:15.090 --> 0:21:17.890 the very beginning, this record of the early church. Think 0:21:17.890 --> 0:21:20.810 about it now, without a written New Testament revelation was 0:21:20.810 --> 0:21:23.850 supposed to give us a very special window into the 0:21:23.850 --> 0:21:28.290 founding of the church and God miraculously working through the apostles. Now, 0:21:28.290 --> 0:21:30.370 even by the second century, the early church would talk 0:21:30.369 --> 0:21:32.740 about the times of the apostles and, you know, the 0:21:32.740 --> 0:21:35.700 miracles of the apostles Apostolic age. And so this was 0:21:35.700 --> 0:21:38.220 a very unique period of time. And God was doing 0:21:38.220 --> 0:21:43.379 unique things, including the way that God would, um, communicate 0:21:43.380 --> 0:21:46.020 with his church. Now, I read some of the later chapters, 0:21:46.020 --> 0:21:48.619 and I remember preaching through this book and thinking, okay, 0:21:48.660 --> 0:21:50.780 now it says the Lord guided him here or guided 0:21:50.780 --> 0:21:53.460 him there. Sometimes it's clear, like the Macedonian call when 0:21:53.460 --> 0:21:56.379 he's in Troas, it's obvious he gets a vision and 0:21:56.380 --> 0:21:58.780 he calls it that. Or like Peter getting that vision 0:21:58.780 --> 0:22:02.500 there in acts chapter ten. Those things are clear. But 0:22:02.500 --> 0:22:05.140 when it comes to like the Lord directed him here 0:22:05.140 --> 0:22:08.459 or there, it leaves me shrugging my shoulders, but thinking, 0:22:08.460 --> 0:22:11.020 probably because we have a very special group of people 0:22:11.020 --> 0:22:15.020 like Elijah and Elisha who are getting very special revelation 0:22:15.020 --> 0:22:18.659 from God, direct revelation, and then leading the school of 0:22:18.660 --> 0:22:21.500 the prophets who would later write the Bible. And now 0:22:21.500 --> 0:22:23.260 we can all look to the Bible, which the Bible 0:22:23.260 --> 0:22:26.379 says is God's breathed word, and it is the direction 0:22:26.420 --> 0:22:29.060 you read Psalm 119 and realize we go to the Bible, 0:22:29.060 --> 0:22:32.830 the written word for his voice, for his direction. But 0:22:32.830 --> 0:22:35.709 in those days they hadn't written the New Testament yet. 0:22:35.750 --> 0:22:38.190 These are the early days of the church. So I 0:22:38.190 --> 0:22:39.950 do think we've got a lot of special things going 0:22:39.950 --> 0:22:42.350 on in the book of acts. We shouldn't think that's normative. 0:22:42.350 --> 0:22:43.750 I shouldn't sit around and say, well, I want to 0:22:43.750 --> 0:22:45.629 be an apostle. I'd like to hear from God the 0:22:45.630 --> 0:22:48.750 way they did. I think we're more like we see 0:22:48.790 --> 0:22:52.990 in Second Corinthians chapter two, when Paul says he was 0:22:52.990 --> 0:22:56.190 uneasy in his spirit because he couldn't find Titus. So 0:22:56.190 --> 0:22:58.510 even though there was an open door of ministry again 0:22:58.550 --> 0:23:01.150 in Troas, he didn't go through it. And I think 0:23:01.150 --> 0:23:03.670 we all have that experience. The spirit can give us 0:23:03.670 --> 0:23:06.669 a sense of this isn't the right thing. And that's 0:23:06.670 --> 0:23:08.750 so subtle and it's so deep within our hearts, and 0:23:08.750 --> 0:23:10.950 we've got to check it against the Word of God. 0:23:11.150 --> 0:23:14.109 But that's very different than what we're reading about usually 0:23:14.109 --> 0:23:16.870 in the book of acts. So I think it was 0:23:16.869 --> 0:23:19.710 I will leave room for that. The voice of God, 0:23:19.710 --> 0:23:22.590 sometimes audible, sometimes in clear ways. It's hard for me 0:23:22.590 --> 0:23:25.229 to explain, but not something I should teach the church 0:23:25.230 --> 0:23:28.110 to expect in our Christian life because we have the 0:23:28.109 --> 0:23:31.119 light of God's Word. 27 books of the New Testament 0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:33.120 guiding us every day. We should memorize it. We should 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:35.040 meditate on it. And it's going to give us the 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:37.240 voice of God as we as we read it and 0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:38.640 study it. Does that help, June? 0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:42.120 Oh, yes. Thank you so much. Bless you. 0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:45.280 Thank you June. Bless you too. And from June to Jane, 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:47.879 let's go to Jane. Line seven, you're on the air 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:50.040 with pastor Mike Fabares. How can I help? 0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:52.440 Hey, I found you. Yay! 0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:52.880 Yay! 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:58.359 Um. Hey, uh, after these questions, this one might. If 0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:01.560 you say nothing, no questions. Too stupid. So here we go. 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:04.320 Yes, I have said that many times. Go ahead, go ahead. 0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:04.760 You have. 0:24:04.800 --> 0:24:05.240 I have. 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:09.720 But after the. After this morning. This doesn't sound too smart. Um. 0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:15.600 One Samuel, one Samuel 25. The last two verses I 0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:19.200 was reading that I've been reading through Samuel. And, um. 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:23.560 Since when? I don't remember anybody. Just taking a wife 0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:26.760 away and giving her to somebody else. David was married 0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:29.490 to my my Mike McCall. How to pronounce. 0:24:29.490 --> 0:24:29.970 Your name right. 0:24:30.010 --> 0:24:31.889 Michael married these other two women, and then all of 0:24:31.890 --> 0:24:38.490 a sudden, uh, um, what's his name? His father in law. Uh, Saul. 0:24:38.530 --> 0:24:41.570 Saul took her away. Yeah. Yeah. Took her away. How 0:24:41.570 --> 0:24:42.490 did that happen? 0:24:43.410 --> 0:24:44.530 Yeah. There's a lot about. 0:24:44.810 --> 0:24:45.649 Married her to somebody. 0:24:45.650 --> 0:24:48.050 Else. Yeah. That's right. Well, if you remember, she wasn't 0:24:48.050 --> 0:24:51.889 a fantastic wife to start with. She was barren and, uh, 0:24:51.890 --> 0:24:55.889 critical of David. And, uh, God had disciplined her. And 0:24:56.090 --> 0:24:59.130 that's what it says. The drama of it. We'd love 0:24:59.130 --> 0:25:01.290 to see in a soap opera one day, but, uh, yeah, 0:25:01.330 --> 0:25:03.450 a lot of strange things happening in marriage, even in 0:25:03.450 --> 0:25:05.930 David's life. I'll give you a little bit more on 0:25:05.970 --> 0:25:08.050 that right after our break, Jane. So hang on. If 0:25:08.050 --> 0:25:10.090 you want to talk after the break, we'll do it. 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And 0:26:39.590 --> 0:26:43.190 that's when Trish flexes her big biceps and comes in 0:26:43.190 --> 0:26:46.030 here with the mailbag. How are you feeling? Are you 0:26:46.070 --> 0:26:47.510 strong enough for this duty today? 0:26:47.550 --> 0:26:49.950 I am feeling strong. Look at those. 0:26:50.590 --> 0:26:54.510 Guns on this girl. Amazing. All right, Trish is here, 0:26:54.510 --> 0:26:56.469 and you got the mailbag. And I just said to 0:26:56.470 --> 0:26:58.910 you just before we came on the air, like, let's go. 0:26:59.070 --> 0:27:01.790 Let's get the ones that are oldest like that have 0:27:01.790 --> 0:27:04.430 been here. So what do you have that hadn't been 0:27:04.430 --> 0:27:06.869 answered this week? You've got to have a couple. 0:27:06.910 --> 0:27:10.190 I do, I do. Rachel in Michigan listens to Wgme. 0:27:10.350 --> 0:27:13.790 And I think this is such a practical question. Um, 0:27:13.990 --> 0:27:16.070 she said, I know that the I know the Bible 0:27:16.070 --> 0:27:18.630 well and understand the hope of heaven. And I believe 0:27:18.630 --> 0:27:21.710 in God's strength, in our weakness, like Paul talks about. 0:27:21.910 --> 0:27:25.440 But Paul's perseverance seems focused on spreading the gospel and 0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:28.760 not the daily issues that we're dealing with today like 0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:34.560 emotional exhaustion, relational conflict, ongoing burdens like that because we're 0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:36.640 told not to worry about what we eat or drink 0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:38.760 or what we're going to wear. But those aren't really 0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:42.320 the things that a lot of people are struggling with. 0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:45.160 And so sometimes it feels like the Bible's comfort is 0:27:45.160 --> 0:27:48.560 mostly future focused point to heaven. But in the meantime, 0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:50.960 just endure and get through it. Okay, so is there 0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:53.600 more real practical hope for the big struggles that we're facing? 0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:55.480 I can help you in two ways with this. I think, 0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:57.400 number one, we need to separate. It's a lot like anger, 0:27:57.400 --> 0:28:00.159 the doctrine of what do we do with anger? You know, 0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:02.280 we think, oh, anger is bad. We shouldn't be angry. But, 0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:09.120 you know, clearly Jesus was angry. And there's a godly anger, concern, burden, weight, anxiety. 0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:11.520 You know, we often go to Matthew six and say, well, 0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:13.719 we shouldn't we shouldn't feel that. And you're right, we 0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:17.640 shouldn't feel that about trivial things. But Paul often confesses 0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:20.120 with the same words comes from this this Greek word 0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:25.370 to to be, to be torn and weighed down and burdened. Um, 0:28:25.490 --> 0:28:27.530 he's torn and burdened about a lot of things. He 0:28:27.530 --> 0:28:29.850 had the pressure of the churches. Now I understand his 0:28:29.850 --> 0:28:32.649 burdens are the church, but it's also the people. I 0:28:32.650 --> 0:28:36.250 think about his relationship with Titus. He's so concerned about Titus, 0:28:36.490 --> 0:28:38.650 and he's on the Roman roads traveling. He's concerned about 0:28:38.650 --> 0:28:40.650 what's going to happen to him. Now, here's the thing. 0:28:40.650 --> 0:28:44.250 If we think that the promises of peace are supposed 0:28:44.250 --> 0:28:46.610 to mean that I never feel that feeling, then we're 0:28:46.610 --> 0:28:50.090 wrong because we have, you know, he has spiritual children, 0:28:50.090 --> 0:28:51.850 we have real children. We have family members. We have 0:28:51.850 --> 0:28:53.770 people we care for. We have burdens in our lives. 0:28:53.770 --> 0:28:57.090 So we're going to feel certain feelings that we may think, 0:28:57.090 --> 0:29:00.490 because we've read some passages one dimensionally, that we should 0:29:00.490 --> 0:29:02.410 never feel that way. We're going to feel that we're 0:29:02.410 --> 0:29:04.330 in a fallen world. There's a lot of things here 0:29:04.330 --> 0:29:06.210 in this sin laden world that we're going to be 0:29:06.210 --> 0:29:10.130 concerned about. So, number one, don't feel unrighteous if you 0:29:10.130 --> 0:29:12.290 feel burdened, if it's about the right thing, if it's 0:29:12.290 --> 0:29:14.330 a burden about, you know, am I have enough money 0:29:14.330 --> 0:29:16.610 to pay the rent that may be like, not the 0:29:16.610 --> 0:29:18.969 kind of burden we should carry. We should know that 0:29:18.970 --> 0:29:20.730 God's going to take care of his kids. But we 0:29:20.730 --> 0:29:23.300 care about people's souls. We care about people's lives. Number two. 0:29:23.660 --> 0:29:25.980 I mean, you brought up the issue of of strength 0:29:25.980 --> 0:29:28.580 and weakness. I will say, even though a lot of 0:29:28.580 --> 0:29:30.860 the pressure points in Paul's lives were because he was 0:29:30.860 --> 0:29:33.820 a missionary, he says in Second Corinthians one, I think 0:29:33.820 --> 0:29:38.340 about that passage that he was so burdened beyond, like 0:29:38.740 --> 0:29:41.420 thinking he could live any longer so that he could 0:29:41.420 --> 0:29:45.219 rely on God who raises the dead. Here's the strength 0:29:45.220 --> 0:29:46.820 that we have. It's not that we feel like we 0:29:46.860 --> 0:29:50.220 don't have any problems, or that we're not burdened by problems, 0:29:50.220 --> 0:29:53.700 but that we are strong enough to see that God 0:29:53.700 --> 0:29:56.300 is a God that I'm leaning on. I think about Nehemiah. 0:29:56.300 --> 0:29:58.820 He was in the middle of a difficult time worrying 0:29:58.820 --> 0:30:02.900 about Israel. Jerusalem was in shambles and he took the king. 0:30:02.940 --> 0:30:05.500 Artaxerxes talks to him and he prays to God. He's 0:30:05.500 --> 0:30:08.660 right there leaning on God. He has this constant awareness 0:30:08.660 --> 0:30:11.020 that I got to trust God for this. And I 0:30:11.020 --> 0:30:14.380 do think that's the strength of a Christian that doesn't 0:30:14.380 --> 0:30:17.780 look like strength from worldly standards. And I would say 0:30:17.780 --> 0:30:21.150 to you, Rachel, if you're continuing to shift more of 0:30:21.150 --> 0:30:24.550 your focus on I need God to get me through this, 0:30:24.550 --> 0:30:27.310 or I need God to deal with this, then that 0:30:27.310 --> 0:30:31.270 is the definition of strength. You're holding on to one 0:30:31.270 --> 0:30:33.790 who is the king of the universe. But if you 0:30:33.790 --> 0:30:37.310 think that's going to feel peaceful and tranquil and, you know, 0:30:37.830 --> 0:30:41.150 hills of of grass and daisies, it's just not going 0:30:41.190 --> 0:30:43.990 to feel that way. This life is laden with trouble. 0:30:43.990 --> 0:30:46.910 In this world you'll have tribulation. Jesus said, but take heart. 0:30:46.910 --> 0:30:49.790 That's the part where there's strength. Can you take heart 0:30:49.910 --> 0:30:52.550 in the midst of the difficulties and a lot of 0:30:52.550 --> 0:30:56.150 the difficulties, right, of being burdened, they're appropriate. That's what 0:30:56.190 --> 0:30:59.070 godly people should feel a burden for things that matter, 0:30:59.070 --> 0:31:00.870 not a burden for things that don't matter. Whether or 0:31:00.870 --> 0:31:02.670 not we can have a larger house or a great 0:31:02.670 --> 0:31:05.350 vacation on a cruise ship, that doesn't matter. What matters 0:31:05.350 --> 0:31:07.310 is the things that matter to God, and we're going 0:31:07.350 --> 0:31:08.630 to be burdened with those. And if you say you 0:31:08.630 --> 0:31:11.550 know the word, well, then I'm assuming your burdens are 0:31:11.550 --> 0:31:13.550 probably in the right place, even though you think, well, 0:31:13.550 --> 0:31:16.790 I'm not a missionary traveling through Asia minor, I get that. 0:31:16.790 --> 0:31:19.360 But the same thing is true. Second Corinthians chapter one, 0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:21.080 I would say, is a good place to go, Rachel, 0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:25.120 and I hope that may bring some help and perspective. 0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:29.520 And how how would, um, as we process this? Like 0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:32.160 she even references like he seems focused on the gospel, 0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:38.200 but the gospel speaks to these things. Um, how how 0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:41.239 do you see how does it do that? Maybe it's 0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:42.760 a better way to say that. Like we'll say, oh, 0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:44.600 Jesus can fix it all, you know, or maybe not 0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:47.000 fix it, but, you know, just go to Jesus. It's fine. 0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:49.440 And and I think it has become like a cliche, almost. 0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:51.800 It's like, well, how's Jesus going to help me out here? 0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:54.320 Yeah. Yeah. I guess it'd be like you having a 0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:57.840 camper that you're living in while you're building this beautiful house, 0:31:58.040 --> 0:32:01.280 and you're sleeping in the camper outside in the driveway 0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:04.200 of the house that's in construction, and you think I 0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:06.400 want to have the peace the Bible keeps talking about? Well, 0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:07.959 the Bible keeps talking about a peace that's in the 0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:11.000 house once it's finished. Not about the peace in the camper. 0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:13.480 So the good news of the gospel is saying, this 0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:16.160 isn't all there is. I'm an alien and stranger in 0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:19.330 this world. I should expect pain and disease and sickness 0:32:19.330 --> 0:32:23.050 and death and trials and trouble and apostasy and problems 0:32:23.050 --> 0:32:26.330 and betrayals and judases. So I'm going to trust in 0:32:26.330 --> 0:32:31.130 God to look beyond this. And like Romans 818, my, my. 0:32:31.170 --> 0:32:33.090 I'm going to see that all the troubles of this 0:32:33.090 --> 0:32:35.410 world are not worth comparing to the glory that will 0:32:35.410 --> 0:32:38.170 be revealed to us. It's. Can I look beyond this? 0:32:38.210 --> 0:32:40.970 It's like a kid doing his homework who's looking toward 0:32:40.970 --> 0:32:44.290 graduation while he does his homework. This is the trial. 0:32:44.290 --> 0:32:46.330 This is the trouble. So the good news of the 0:32:46.370 --> 0:32:48.730 gospel is this isn't all there is. We're not going 0:32:48.770 --> 0:32:51.290 to stay here. This is not our home. And that's 0:32:51.290 --> 0:32:52.930 not where most Christians want to live. They want a 0:32:52.930 --> 0:32:56.010 little bit of Jesus to make the camper livable, and 0:32:56.010 --> 0:32:58.010 the camper is going to be a hard place to live. 0:32:58.010 --> 0:32:59.729 And we're living in the camper. We're going to be 0:32:59.730 --> 0:33:02.130 in the house. It'll be finished one day. And when 0:33:02.130 --> 0:33:03.850 it is, God's going to take us into that house. 0:33:03.850 --> 0:33:05.650 But right now, we're going to do the best we 0:33:05.650 --> 0:33:09.690 can to be positive, focused, forward thinking, eternally minded. And 0:33:09.690 --> 0:33:12.250 that's going to strengthen us to say, it's okay, I 0:33:12.250 --> 0:33:14.330 don't have everything I want. It's okay that the guy 0:33:14.330 --> 0:33:17.180 across the street has a bigger camper. It doesn't matter. 0:33:17.180 --> 0:33:19.700 What matters is the eternal thing. So worry about the. 0:33:19.740 --> 0:33:22.180 Here's what Jesus said about worry, right? He says, seek 0:33:22.180 --> 0:33:26.860 first the kingdom of God and His righteousness. So decipher that. 0:33:26.900 --> 0:33:29.500 Call that out. Bring out, tease that out and say, 0:33:29.500 --> 0:33:31.580 here are the things I should I should concern myself 0:33:31.580 --> 0:33:33.900 with today. And I think that can give us hope. 0:33:33.900 --> 0:33:35.940 As Paul said, I want to lean on the one 0:33:35.940 --> 0:33:37.980 who has the power to raise the dead because he 0:33:37.980 --> 0:33:39.780 is going to die. He said I was despairing even 0:33:39.820 --> 0:33:42.100 of life itself, but I'm going to focus on him 0:33:42.260 --> 0:33:43.540 and I'm going to say, I can get through this. 0:33:43.580 --> 0:33:47.260 In this world you'll have tribulation. So I think, I mean, 0:33:47.260 --> 0:33:49.980 it's very nuanced. You picked a hard question here, Trish. 0:33:50.020 --> 0:33:53.500 You really did. But but Rachel, you know, I hope 0:33:53.500 --> 0:33:58.300 that gives you some sense of mental strength, spiritual strength. 0:33:58.340 --> 0:34:01.340 Even though the storm doesn't stop and the camper is 0:34:01.340 --> 0:34:03.700 still the camper and the mattress is still lumpy, or 0:34:03.740 --> 0:34:05.660 you're sleeping in a in a sleeping bag on the 0:34:05.660 --> 0:34:07.820 floor of the camper, you're going to make it. We're 0:34:07.820 --> 0:34:08.580 going to make it. 0:34:09.180 --> 0:34:11.660 And I think sometimes there are words that other people 0:34:11.660 --> 0:34:14.739 have written, um, like prayers that they have written or 0:34:14.780 --> 0:34:20.149 even prayers in the Bible, but um, or or listening to, um, 0:34:20.190 --> 0:34:23.030 like I heard Corrie ten boom on a little video 0:34:23.030 --> 0:34:26.710 clip this week and, and these believers who are older, 0:34:26.710 --> 0:34:28.750 who have been through those things, when you hear them 0:34:28.750 --> 0:34:33.230 talk about it, can be so encouraging and almost inspirational. Um, 0:34:33.710 --> 0:34:37.549 to help you put words to as you process like, 0:34:37.590 --> 0:34:39.950 how what does this look like in someone's life to 0:34:39.989 --> 0:34:42.830 see those people who are doing it? Um, that you 0:34:42.830 --> 0:34:45.790 can say, oh, that's what that looks like. Excellent. Okay. 0:34:45.830 --> 0:34:48.350 That's excellent Trish. And that's where I would say, Rachel, 0:34:48.830 --> 0:34:52.069 go to some biographies because we learn these people who 0:34:52.070 --> 0:34:54.149 have these wonderful statements we always love to quote. But 0:34:54.150 --> 0:34:57.150 between the wonderful quotes are all the real things Corrie 0:34:57.150 --> 0:34:59.510 ten boom went through and the life that she lived 0:34:59.510 --> 0:35:01.630 and the trials that she had and the struggles she had. 0:35:01.670 --> 0:35:04.070 And I think that's helpful. And I read Christian biographies. 0:35:04.070 --> 0:35:06.270 I like to read Christian biographies of pastors because that's 0:35:06.270 --> 0:35:09.390 what I do. And I realize, man, it's hard for them. 0:35:09.750 --> 0:35:11.950 But they say things that help me say, okay, we'll 0:35:11.950 --> 0:35:13.350 get through this. We're going to make it. 0:35:13.390 --> 0:35:14.080 Yeah, that. 0:35:14.080 --> 0:35:14.880 Was one question. 0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:17.200 It was one question. Thank you. Rachel. 0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:18.120 Good one. Rachel. 0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:18.600 Thank you. 0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:22.120 All right. Well that's good. We got more. We got 0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:24.480 a board full of questions here and we're going to 0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:26.480 get to those, but we're going to take a quick 0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:32.080 break before we do it. My number again (877) 548-3675. This 0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:34.640 is open line on Moody Radio. Thanks, Trish for bringing 0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:39.040 in the mailbag. We'll be back in just a minute. 0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:39.560 Bye bye. 0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:02.400 So many people have questions about Israel. That's why Chosen 0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:05.279 People Ministry is one of our partners. 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My name is Mike Fabares. 0:36:44.170 --> 0:36:47.730 I'm the pastor of Compass Bible Church in Aliso Viejo, California. 0:36:47.770 --> 0:36:49.529 I'm a long way from home in the Windy City. Today. 0:36:49.530 --> 0:36:52.890 It's graduation day in Chicago at the Moody Bible Institute. 0:36:52.890 --> 0:36:56.330 I remember the day I graduated and I didn't have 0:36:56.330 --> 0:36:59.850 the privilege of having Doctor Michael Riedel hand me my degree, 0:37:00.290 --> 0:37:02.690 but that's what they're having today, and it's going on 0:37:02.690 --> 0:37:05.450 right now. So I'm filling in here. I'm I'm off 0:37:05.450 --> 0:37:08.690 the bench today filling in for Doctor Michael Riedel. And 0:37:08.690 --> 0:37:10.130 I'm so happy to be here. And we got a 0:37:10.130 --> 0:37:11.859 lot of calls. So let's try and get through them 0:37:11.860 --> 0:37:13.219 as many as we can. Let's go to line one, 0:37:13.219 --> 0:37:18.259 Nancy from Spokane, Washington listening on KMBC. Great station. How 0:37:18.260 --> 0:37:19.020 can we help? 0:37:20.260 --> 0:37:22.339 Hi. I just first want to say that you're one 0:37:22.340 --> 0:37:25.259 of my favorite pastors on Moody. I listen to you regularly. 0:37:25.300 --> 0:37:28.339 That's so sweet. Thank you. Who paid you to? I'll 0:37:28.340 --> 0:37:31.060 send the check over to to let you know. I'm 0:37:31.060 --> 0:37:34.259 thankful for that work of pushing my program. Thank you. 0:37:35.180 --> 0:37:37.379 I'm kidding. Of course. I didn't pay you. Did I 0:37:38.180 --> 0:37:40.460 know you say that. Okay, good. All right, Nancy. 0:37:40.500 --> 0:37:41.620 That comes from my heart. 0:37:41.940 --> 0:37:42.980 That's very kind. 0:37:44.460 --> 0:37:46.460 Um, but, you know, I believe in the rapture, the 0:37:46.460 --> 0:37:50.220 tribulation and the thousand year reign of Jesus Christ on earth. 0:37:50.380 --> 0:37:54.060 And I mentioned these events in a conversation with another Christian, 0:37:54.060 --> 0:37:57.140 and they responded. These events only came on the scene 0:37:57.140 --> 0:38:00.380 in the last 200 years. And that you couldn't take 0:38:00.380 --> 0:38:06.620 revelation literally, that it was symbolic. And I don't understand 0:38:06.620 --> 0:38:09.580 where this view came from. Is this an alternate view 0:38:09.620 --> 0:38:12.670 within the Christian community, and if so, how do you 0:38:12.670 --> 0:38:13.630 respond to this? 0:38:13.670 --> 0:38:17.750 Yeah, well, for those who grew up with a pre-tribulational 0:38:17.750 --> 0:38:21.549 rapture view and a literal pre millennial view, which means 0:38:21.550 --> 0:38:23.750 we're coming to a time of a thousand year reign, 0:38:23.870 --> 0:38:26.070 we're just used to that. But yes, there are plenty 0:38:26.070 --> 0:38:29.270 of alternative views about the end times. One is not 0:38:29.270 --> 0:38:32.310 only that the book of Revelation is symbolic because of 0:38:32.310 --> 0:38:34.950 course it is given to us in images, right? It's 0:38:34.989 --> 0:38:37.310 what we call in the genre of the New Testament 0:38:37.310 --> 0:38:40.750 apocalyptic literature, which means John is shown a series of 0:38:40.750 --> 0:38:43.390 things that he relays to us. It is symbolic in 0:38:43.430 --> 0:38:46.630 that sense, but we believe it's future people that believe 0:38:46.630 --> 0:38:48.989 it's already past. And that's what this man is saying 0:38:48.989 --> 0:38:51.230 or this woman is saying to you. It's called the 0:38:51.230 --> 0:38:53.870 preterist view of the Book of Revelation. That means it's 0:38:53.870 --> 0:38:55.910 already past. And they say it happened. All those things 0:38:55.910 --> 0:38:59.750 were fulfilled in 70 AD when Titus, the Roman general, 0:38:59.750 --> 0:39:02.430 came through and destroyed Jerusalem. I don't believe that Michael 0:39:02.469 --> 0:39:05.029 Riedel does not believe that the professors here at Moody 0:39:05.030 --> 0:39:07.190 Bible Institute don't believe that. We believe this is all 0:39:07.190 --> 0:39:09.920 future yet to come, because the book of Revelation was 0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:12.160 written in the late 90s, we believe, or mid 90s 0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:15.320 at least after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. 0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:17.839 and all these things he said were still future. Now 0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:19.680 they have to argue for an early writing of the 0:39:19.680 --> 0:39:23.000 book of Revelation, which I think is just absolutely non supportable. 0:39:23.000 --> 0:39:25.359 But the reason they say it's new is because they say, well, 0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:28.320 this is what you call dispensational theology. It came through 0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:32.040 the Plymouth Brethren, it came through Darby. And this is 0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:34.919 all new stuff. Well, number one, even if it were, 0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:36.359 which I don't think it is, as a matter of fact, 0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:38.440 I came upon a book the other day called The 0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:41.799 Recent Pre-Trib Findings in the Early Church Fathers by a 0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:43.799 guy named Brainard, and I just happened to pick it up. 0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:46.200 I'd never seen it before. And he goes through some 0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:49.000 of the early teachings in the Didache and some of 0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:53.280 the early Church Fathers, Eusebius, Irenaeus, and and showing the 0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:58.000 statements about a pre-trib rapture. And so it's I understand 0:39:58.000 --> 0:40:01.160 people say it's all new. Well, the systemising of dispensationalism 0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:03.719 may be something new, but it'd be like us in 0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:06.799 the fourth century saying, well, this whole one essence and 0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:09.730 three persons and stating the Trinity that way. That's all new. Well, 0:40:09.730 --> 0:40:12.009 it would have been new because they had gotten to 0:40:12.050 --> 0:40:14.450 the place of of describing the Trinity that way. It 0:40:14.450 --> 0:40:16.609 doesn't mean it was unbiblical. It is biblical. We've been 0:40:16.610 --> 0:40:19.890 affirming it now since the fourth century that way. So 0:40:20.130 --> 0:40:22.810 I don't I don't really mind saying, you know, well, 0:40:22.810 --> 0:40:25.489 it was popularized later in church history, but the question is, 0:40:25.489 --> 0:40:27.130 is it going to happen, number one, to say you 0:40:27.130 --> 0:40:29.489 don't believe in the rapture? If they say that, you've 0:40:29.530 --> 0:40:32.410 got to look at first Thessalonians 417. It says, we 0:40:32.450 --> 0:40:35.530 who are alive will be caught up together to meet 0:40:36.090 --> 0:40:37.850 them in the clouds and meet the Lord in the air. 0:40:37.850 --> 0:40:40.170 So it's going to happen. The question is, when is 0:40:40.170 --> 0:40:42.609 the rapture? And we're saying it's before the time of 0:40:42.610 --> 0:40:45.569 Jacob's trouble, before the 70th week of Daniel, before the 0:40:45.570 --> 0:40:49.009 Great Tribulation. Jesus talked about in Matthew 24, this time 0:40:49.010 --> 0:40:51.129 that's the worst time to ever come upon the world. 0:40:51.130 --> 0:40:52.970 And here's one reason I don't think it's 70 A.D. 0:40:53.010 --> 0:40:54.930 because he has never been like this, ever. And it 0:40:54.930 --> 0:40:56.689 will never be like that again. And there are plenty 0:40:56.690 --> 0:41:00.130 of things worse than, than than Titus marching through Jerusalem 0:41:00.130 --> 0:41:02.730 in 70 A.D.. I mean, think of the Holocaust is 0:41:02.770 --> 0:41:05.370 worse than that. So I don't believe we've come to 0:41:05.370 --> 0:41:07.779 the tribulation, yet I believe that's part of God's plan 0:41:07.780 --> 0:41:10.500 for Israel. And if Doctor Michael Redlick, he'd be saying 0:41:10.500 --> 0:41:12.540 it with with a lot more verve than me. But 0:41:12.580 --> 0:41:16.740 I agree it wholeheartedly, full wholeheartedly. This seven year period 0:41:16.739 --> 0:41:19.020 is yet to come. I do believe the rapture will 0:41:19.020 --> 0:41:21.819 come before that time of tribulation. Just reading through that 0:41:21.820 --> 0:41:24.500 book I just came across the other day again, reminds 0:41:24.500 --> 0:41:27.100 me that people in the second third century were saying 0:41:27.100 --> 0:41:30.700 these same things. Was it in a study Bible? No, 0:41:30.739 --> 0:41:33.660 of course not. You know, did we have charts of it? No, no, no. 0:41:33.660 --> 0:41:37.299 And was that popularized, uh, after Darby? Perhaps it is. 0:41:37.340 --> 0:41:39.259 And did they say everything right? No, I don't believe 0:41:39.260 --> 0:41:41.060 they do. But I think all the professors here at 0:41:41.060 --> 0:41:45.259 Moody Bible Institute would say we believe in a pre-tribulational rapture. 0:41:45.300 --> 0:41:47.859 God's got a plan for Israel being turned to their 0:41:47.860 --> 0:41:51.259 Messiah in that tribulation period. God's judgment is going to come. 0:41:51.260 --> 0:41:53.779 All the things that are written in the mid 90s, 0:41:53.940 --> 0:41:55.940 in the first century by John on the island of 0:41:55.940 --> 0:41:58.540 Patmos are yet to come, and that there's going to 0:41:58.540 --> 0:42:00.500 be a thousand year reign of Christ. He says it 0:42:00.500 --> 0:42:03.380 six times in revelation 20. I think it's literal because 0:42:03.380 --> 0:42:06.870 it said six times a thousand years. And when is 0:42:06.870 --> 0:42:10.230 that going to be in the future? After the tribulation period? 0:42:10.230 --> 0:42:13.270 So I think it's all there. It comes down to 0:42:13.310 --> 0:42:15.469 how we read the Old Testament promises. You look at 0:42:15.469 --> 0:42:17.670 Ezekiel and that temple. Has it ever been built in 0:42:17.670 --> 0:42:20.469 those dimensions? Never. Nothing even close to that. So I 0:42:20.469 --> 0:42:23.190 think all of that's yet to come in the millennial Kingdom. Now, 0:42:23.190 --> 0:42:25.830 good men can disagree. Good women can disagree on this. 0:42:25.830 --> 0:42:28.630 But we are saying to say, well it's a Johnny 0:42:28.630 --> 0:42:31.109 come lately view. So it's not right. Number one, I 0:42:31.110 --> 0:42:33.430 don't buy the premise. And number two, I don't think 0:42:33.430 --> 0:42:35.830 it's all that new, at least in its, you know, 0:42:35.870 --> 0:42:39.870 rudimentary forms. And, um, you know, I think it's right. 0:42:39.870 --> 0:42:41.910 I think it's the most consistent way to read the 0:42:41.910 --> 0:42:43.590 Old and New Testaments. And I got a lot of 0:42:43.590 --> 0:42:46.590 people in my camp. And certainly you've been taught that way, Nancy, 0:42:46.590 --> 0:42:48.989 and to have someone say, well, I dismissed it because 0:42:48.989 --> 0:42:51.750 I watched a YouTube video, okay. And there are great 0:42:51.750 --> 0:42:53.630 people that have different views, but we're not going to 0:42:53.630 --> 0:42:55.629 say they're non-Christians, but we are going to say one 0:42:55.630 --> 0:42:57.670 day we'll see how this plays out. And I think 0:42:57.670 --> 0:43:01.550 the people who expected a 70th year, 70th week of Daniel, 0:43:01.550 --> 0:43:04.720 a time of Jacob's trouble, the worst tribulation ever. And 0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:07.000 then a millennial kingdom. I think they're going to be right, 0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:09.560 at least from my perspective. So don't be shaken by 0:43:09.560 --> 0:43:11.840 this doesn't mean they're not Christians. It just means they 0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:14.080 have a different view of the end times. Does that 0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:14.800 help Nancy? 0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:18.120 Oh, it helps a lot. I just love how in-depth 0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:21.240 that you've answered this question. And I'll be listening many 0:43:21.239 --> 0:43:22.040 times to this. 0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:24.320 Okay. Yeah, I know some people think I talk too fast, 0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:26.480 but I feel like I have very little time. I 0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:29.480 know Doctor Riddell has such a wonderful voice and such 0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:32.319 great pacing, but I only get to host every now 0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:34.000 and then, so I want to jam in as much 0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:34.920 as I can here. 0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:37.279 Yeah, and we can listen to it. Yeah, listen to 0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:37.920 it all the time. 0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:40.040 That's right. This is just a ploy to get people 0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:42.359 to go back and listen to the podcast. See, that's 0:43:42.360 --> 0:43:45.240 all I'm doing. I'm just helping Moody here with that. Nancy, 0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:46.400 thanks for your kind words. 0:43:46.719 --> 0:43:48.120 That you before. 0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:48.960 Oh. You hadn't. 0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:49.239 Yeah. 0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:51.719 Oh, well, no. What a terrible tragedy. 0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:55.800 Because I, I've been that's what I've been taught is 0:43:56.000 --> 0:43:59.520 about the rapture and the tribulation and the, you know, 0:43:59.560 --> 0:44:02.210 and I've been taught that it all is future that we're. 0:44:02.250 --> 0:44:05.570 I mean, I pray for that. Come quick. Jesus. Please come. 0:44:05.610 --> 0:44:07.529 Yes. And I do think if you read in the Bible, 0:44:07.530 --> 0:44:09.330 let me throw one more layer on this. If you 0:44:09.330 --> 0:44:11.089 look at the things about the return of Christ, some 0:44:11.090 --> 0:44:14.410 things are timed and they're like, you should expect it. 0:44:14.410 --> 0:44:16.370 And here are the signs of it all. And some 0:44:16.370 --> 0:44:18.450 of the statements are you never know when it's going 0:44:18.450 --> 0:44:20.210 to happen. It's gonna happen when you don't expect it. 0:44:20.250 --> 0:44:23.450 Two different expectations and one expectation is for the church. 0:44:23.450 --> 0:44:24.690 We don't know when Christ is going to come back, 0:44:24.730 --> 0:44:27.730 can come back today. And then for Israel. And a 0:44:27.730 --> 0:44:31.650 lot of the teaching of Jesus is for Israel. He's saying, 0:44:31.690 --> 0:44:33.290 you're going to know the signs are going to be there. 0:44:33.290 --> 0:44:35.250 Here's what's going to happen. You see signs in the heavens. 0:44:35.250 --> 0:44:37.049 You're going to see the sun not give its light. 0:44:37.050 --> 0:44:38.730 You're going to see all these things. The vultures are 0:44:38.730 --> 0:44:40.810 going to gather, and you'll know the end is going 0:44:40.850 --> 0:44:44.770 to come. So I think we have two different installments 0:44:44.770 --> 0:44:46.770 of the coming of Christ for the church to meet 0:44:46.770 --> 0:44:50.170 Jesus in the air. And then in Zechariah 14 says, 0:44:50.170 --> 0:44:52.529 for Jesus to come and set his feet down on 0:44:52.530 --> 0:44:54.930 the Mount of Olives after the battle of of the 0:44:54.930 --> 0:44:58.009 battle of Armageddon, to save the remnant Israel and set 0:44:58.050 --> 0:45:00.089 up a kingdom for a thousand years. So I think 0:45:00.130 --> 0:45:03.460 you're right, Nancy. You're talking to a friendly, uh, voice here. 0:45:03.460 --> 0:45:06.460 I agree with your eschatology, and so do the folks 0:45:06.460 --> 0:45:09.620 here at Moody, and I'm grateful for them. And we'll see. Uh, 0:45:09.620 --> 0:45:11.940 if some of the nuances of our eschatology are a 0:45:11.940 --> 0:45:13.979 little off, we'll find out one day. But I think 0:45:13.980 --> 0:45:16.219 we're right. And, of course, we wouldn't teach it if 0:45:16.219 --> 0:45:18.660 we didn't think we were right. Thanks for the call, Nancy. 0:45:18.739 --> 0:45:21.580 Appreciate it so much. Let's squeeze in another quick call 0:45:21.580 --> 0:45:23.980 if we can. Let's go to line eight. Brett, you're 0:45:23.980 --> 0:45:25.860 on the air with pastor Mike. How can I help? 0:45:26.980 --> 0:45:32.060 Morning, pastor Mike, how you doing? Good, good. Hey, um, 0:45:32.340 --> 0:45:39.780 quick question. Um, why I, I attend Compass Church in, 0:45:39.940 --> 0:45:43.020 in Aliso Viejo. So I'm very thankful for you and 0:45:43.020 --> 0:45:47.060 the teaching over, you know, 17 years. So great. Appreciate 0:45:47.060 --> 0:45:53.500 it very much. Um, why why don't we baptize babies? 0:45:53.500 --> 0:45:57.700 Because baptism is a sign of our regeneration. Uh, we're 0:45:57.700 --> 0:46:01.830 supposed to make disciples and baptize them. Having a baby 0:46:02.110 --> 0:46:04.069 is not making a disciple. I can address more of 0:46:04.070 --> 0:46:05.870 this after the break. I'm sorry I got a hard 0:46:05.870 --> 0:46:07.469 break coming up here, Brett. So stay on the line. 0:46:07.469 --> 0:46:09.190 We'll talk to you after the break. But we are 0:46:09.190 --> 0:46:12.310 so excited to have you listening today, along with so 0:46:12.310 --> 0:46:15.630 many others here. This is open line. I'm Mike Faber 0:46:15.670 --> 0:46:18.910 is filling in for Doctor Michael Rudnick. We got another 0:46:18.910 --> 0:46:21.550 hour of Open line coming up on most of these stations. 0:46:21.550 --> 0:46:25.630 At least you can go to Open Line radio.org. Open 0:46:25.630 --> 0:46:29.549 line with Doctor Michael Riedel is a production of the 0:46:29.550 --> 0:46:32.830 Moody Radio, which is, I say, the Moody Radio. It's 0:46:32.830 --> 0:46:35.430 the only one. Moody radio, a ministry of the Moody 0:46:35.430 --> 0:46:37.830 Bible Institute. We're so happy to be on the air today. 0:46:37.830 --> 0:46:40.150 And if you stick around, we've got another hour coming up. 0:46:40.390 --> 0:46:42.430 We're excited to get back to your questions.