1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,160 S1: I can't believe it's time for the boys of the Bible. 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,520 S1: I can't believe we get to provide you with another 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:15,080 S1: scintillating conversation about scriptural conundrums. That's right friend, today it's 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,360 S1: a two Michaels Tuesday as we roll out the red 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,119 S1: carpet and welcome back the men of the Moody Commentary. 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,680 S1: They put the Ember in November, the Hank in Thanksgiving 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,600 S1: and the chow and chaos. I'm talking about Doctor Michael 8 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,560 S1: Rudnick and Doctor Michael Van Landingham. So let's get going. 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:31,520 S1: If you have a question about the Bible, do not 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,960 S1: pass go. Do not collect $200. Get to your phone 11 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:41,600 S1: right now and call (877) 548-3675. This is not Stump the Michaels. 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,199 S1: It's some sincere, honest questions you have about what the 13 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,000 S1: Bible says and how to interpret it. Or maybe it's 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,880 S1: a Christian life question how do I avoid gluttony when 15 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,880 S1: the turkey and the stuffing and the pumpkin pie looks 16 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:59,040 S1: so good? (877) 548-3675. Let me thank our team assembled Ryan 17 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,690 S1: and Tricia our way today. Chris Sieghart is here to. 18 00:01:01,730 --> 00:01:05,569 S1: Here is here. Lisa is here. Josh is here, and 19 00:01:05,569 --> 00:01:08,170 S1: now here they are. Those Bible believing twin sons of 20 00:01:08,170 --> 00:01:11,089 S1: different testaments. They put the skip and disciple the new 21 00:01:11,090 --> 00:01:14,530 S1: and hermeneutics. This is where you you segue the theme there. 22 00:01:14,569 --> 00:01:17,690 S1: There you go. The new and the dish and the judicial. 23 00:01:18,010 --> 00:01:20,770 S1: I talking about open lines. Doctor Michael Rudnick, who is 24 00:01:20,770 --> 00:01:24,250 S1: also professor emeritus of Jewish studies and Bible at the 25 00:01:24,250 --> 00:01:27,090 S1: Moody Bible Institute, and his co-editor, the Moody Bible Commentary, 26 00:01:27,090 --> 00:01:30,650 S1: former pastor, Biblical Research at Harvest Bible Chapel in Elgin, Illinois. 27 00:01:30,690 --> 00:01:33,730 S1: Doctor Michael Van Landingham. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you 28 00:01:33,770 --> 00:01:42,050 S1: the two Michael's. Yay! It is so great to see 29 00:01:42,050 --> 00:01:45,410 S1: you to have you guys back. Thank you. Isn't that great? Yeah. 30 00:01:45,650 --> 00:01:51,170 S1: This studio audience is getting a little rowdy this year. Yeah. November. Uh, 31 00:01:51,330 --> 00:01:53,370 S1: I was going to say they put the vial in privilege. 32 00:01:53,370 --> 00:01:56,290 S1: That's one of my favorites. The violin privilege isn't that good. 33 00:01:56,370 --> 00:01:58,820 S2: Vial? We don't. We're not vile anywhere. 34 00:01:58,860 --> 00:02:01,180 S1: No, I know, but it just works. You didn't. You 35 00:02:01,180 --> 00:02:03,820 S1: don't put the Chao in chaos either. But it's like 36 00:02:04,020 --> 00:02:08,660 S1: it's fun. Okay, so, uh, day after tomorrow is Thanksgiving. 37 00:02:09,020 --> 00:02:12,660 S1: Let's start with a fun question for you about food. 38 00:02:12,900 --> 00:02:15,740 S1: What is the, uh, Mike V? What is the food 39 00:02:15,740 --> 00:02:18,140 S1: that you like that nobody else will eat? 40 00:02:19,500 --> 00:02:21,580 S3: Actually, I have to say that my wife and I 41 00:02:21,580 --> 00:02:24,060 S3: are going to fast all day on Thursday. No, I'm kidding, 42 00:02:24,060 --> 00:02:28,620 S3: I'm totally kidding. We're gonna, um. My my wife, uh, 43 00:02:28,620 --> 00:02:35,179 S3: is half, um, half bohemian. Um, and and so she 44 00:02:35,419 --> 00:02:40,899 S3: has a bohemian dish made of potato dumplings that you 45 00:02:40,940 --> 00:02:43,660 S3: first of all, pick, uh, cook a big pork roast, 46 00:02:43,700 --> 00:02:45,540 S3: get a lot of drippings from it, and then you 47 00:02:45,540 --> 00:02:48,180 S3: put the dumplings in there, and you cook it all together, 48 00:02:48,500 --> 00:02:52,139 S3: and it comes out this wonderful, doughy, slimy, pork flavored. 49 00:02:52,980 --> 00:02:54,940 S3: That's great. It's so good. 50 00:02:55,460 --> 00:02:57,549 S1: Okay, let me take let me have a. Let me 51 00:02:57,550 --> 00:03:00,550 S1: make a guess. It's better the day after than even 52 00:03:00,550 --> 00:03:01,470 S1: than the day before. 53 00:03:02,590 --> 00:03:06,669 S3: You know what? It's fantastic. Every day. Every day. 54 00:03:07,550 --> 00:03:11,710 S1: Until it's not right. That's right. Okay. Uh, doctor, what 55 00:03:11,710 --> 00:03:14,830 S1: are you. Is there anything that you don't like or 56 00:03:14,830 --> 00:03:17,669 S1: that you really like you're looking forward to on Thanksgiving? 57 00:03:18,230 --> 00:03:22,070 S2: Well, I don't eat anything that that, you know, ask 58 00:03:22,070 --> 00:03:25,230 S2: me about Passover food. I like that no one else likes. 59 00:03:25,230 --> 00:03:31,470 S2: That's something like gefilte fish or something like that. But yeah, however, Thanksgiving, 60 00:03:31,470 --> 00:03:35,150 S2: we don't have anything that. That's weird like that. Uh, 61 00:03:35,790 --> 00:03:37,869 S2: it's not weird to me, by the way, but that's 62 00:03:37,870 --> 00:03:42,070 S2: weird to others. But to me, you know, iva's corn casserole. 63 00:03:42,110 --> 00:03:45,510 S2: Best thing at the table. I just love it. 64 00:03:45,510 --> 00:03:47,990 S1: So what is the corn casserole? I don't know what 65 00:03:47,990 --> 00:03:48,310 S1: that is. 66 00:03:48,310 --> 00:03:53,950 S2: It's. It's, uh, like cornbread and corn and, uh, sour cream. 67 00:03:53,950 --> 00:03:55,890 S2: I don't know all the stuff she puts in it, 68 00:03:55,890 --> 00:03:58,610 S2: and then she bakes it and it's so it's like 69 00:03:58,650 --> 00:04:01,930 S2: a cornbread with corn in it, and it's. It's just 70 00:04:01,930 --> 00:04:05,730 S2: so good. Yeah, but I like everything just just to be, 71 00:04:06,730 --> 00:04:07,210 S2: you know. 72 00:04:07,450 --> 00:04:09,290 S1: I believe you, I believe you. 73 00:04:10,370 --> 00:04:12,570 S2: I wish I didn't like everything so much. 74 00:04:13,610 --> 00:04:16,690 S1: Okay, so, so answer that question. If somebody says I 75 00:04:16,730 --> 00:04:19,290 S1: don't want to overeat this Thanksgiving, I don't want to 76 00:04:19,290 --> 00:04:21,650 S1: be a glutton on Thanksgiving because we don't talk a 77 00:04:21,650 --> 00:04:25,490 S1: whole lot about gluttony in the church. We like to 78 00:04:25,490 --> 00:04:29,330 S1: have potlucks and everything. But what would you say about that? Uh, 79 00:04:29,690 --> 00:04:30,290 S1: Mike V. 80 00:04:31,170 --> 00:04:33,970 S3: Yeah, you know, I mean, I think it's something probably 81 00:04:33,970 --> 00:04:36,610 S3: a lot of us struggle with. My suggestion is, is 82 00:04:36,810 --> 00:04:40,170 S3: let's let's be sane. Um, you know, if you fill 83 00:04:40,170 --> 00:04:43,970 S3: your plate, don't make it overflowing with food and eat 84 00:04:43,970 --> 00:04:46,330 S3: just one plate, and don't go back for seconds, for 85 00:04:46,330 --> 00:04:50,290 S3: several hours. And, you know, just just take it easy. 86 00:04:50,330 --> 00:04:52,090 S3: I guess that's what I would suggest. 87 00:04:53,210 --> 00:04:54,299 S1: Michael, what about you? 88 00:04:55,100 --> 00:05:00,419 S2: Well, I think that there are certain times for feasting, uh, 89 00:05:00,420 --> 00:05:04,339 S2: when you. It's not the problem. I think in America 90 00:05:04,339 --> 00:05:07,180 S2: isn't that we eat too much on Thanksgiving. I think 91 00:05:07,180 --> 00:05:10,820 S2: the problem for me and for most Americans is that 92 00:05:10,820 --> 00:05:14,860 S2: we eat too much every day, every meal. And so 93 00:05:14,900 --> 00:05:18,300 S2: if we're if we were eating in balance and eating 94 00:05:18,300 --> 00:05:22,100 S2: properly every day, then go ahead and feast all that 95 00:05:22,100 --> 00:05:25,180 S2: you like on Thanksgiving. That's that's what I would say. 96 00:05:25,460 --> 00:05:30,060 S1: I would say get a smaller plate. I agree with that. 97 00:05:30,100 --> 00:05:31,620 S1: You know, if you get a smaller plate, you can't 98 00:05:31,620 --> 00:05:34,539 S1: put as much. Unless you're really good at piling stuff on. 99 00:05:34,540 --> 00:05:36,340 S1: But we don't want to take the fun out of, 100 00:05:36,380 --> 00:05:38,979 S1: you know, it's really fun. And everybody looks forward to 101 00:05:39,020 --> 00:05:43,620 S1: Thanksgiving except for those who are alone, you know, who 102 00:05:43,620 --> 00:05:48,060 S1: are lonely or people who have to work on Thanksgiving. Uh, 103 00:05:48,260 --> 00:05:52,219 S1: so what are the let's say you're in a situation 104 00:05:52,350 --> 00:05:55,110 S1: this year and a lot of stuff has gone wrong. 105 00:05:55,270 --> 00:05:58,550 S1: Maybe you lost a job or you're you got a diagnosis, 106 00:05:58,550 --> 00:06:02,029 S1: you got stuff going on in your life and you're 107 00:06:02,230 --> 00:06:05,310 S1: it's really hard for you to find something to be 108 00:06:05,310 --> 00:06:11,630 S1: thankful for. Um, Thanksgiving doesn't spike the the hard stuff 109 00:06:11,630 --> 00:06:15,510 S1: of your life. Uh, you know, Thanksgiving is not everything 110 00:06:15,510 --> 00:06:18,750 S1: is peaches and roses and candy and all bonbons and 111 00:06:18,750 --> 00:06:22,590 S1: all that. It is. It's the truth. But there's usually 112 00:06:22,589 --> 00:06:26,430 S1: something you can find to be thankful for. Doctor Rudnick, 113 00:06:26,470 --> 00:06:27,270 S1: you agree with that? 114 00:06:27,950 --> 00:06:33,590 S2: Oh, yeah. Uh, listen. Life is challenging. There's always troubles. 115 00:06:33,589 --> 00:06:38,870 S2: I think that sometimes it's more unusual when we're giving thanks, 116 00:06:38,870 --> 00:06:41,790 S2: when everything is going wonderfully. Because life is a challenge. 117 00:06:41,790 --> 00:06:44,310 S2: And I think that's the one promise that no one 118 00:06:44,310 --> 00:06:47,349 S2: claims that Jesus made the biblical promise in this world, 119 00:06:47,350 --> 00:06:51,359 S2: you will have my you will have tribulation. So, uh, 120 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,040 S2: we're going to have some difficult times. The the lesson 121 00:06:55,040 --> 00:07:00,000 S2: is from Philippians four. Uh, when we pray, we make 122 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,200 S2: our requests made known to God for all these issues 123 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,839 S2: with Thanksgiving. Uh, it's why in first Thessalonians five it 124 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:11,120 S2: says that we're supposed to always give thanks. Uh, and 125 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,960 S2: it's not like we ignore the situation. What we are 126 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,400 S2: giving thanks for, I believe in those circumstances, is a 127 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,560 S2: sovereign God who knows what's best, who will always do 128 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,040 S2: what's right, and that we can trust. And that's what 129 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,560 S2: we're thanking him for. Not not for the trouble, but 130 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,920 S2: for the God who's the God over. 131 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,200 S1: Over all and who's with us. And that's what we 132 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,000 S1: celebrate in just a few weeks now. God with us. Yeah. 133 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:36,600 S1: Mike V, your answer to that. 134 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,600 S3: Um, I think, uh, I think we all have things 135 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,920 S3: to be thankful for. Like Michael said, you know, if 136 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,360 S3: nothing else, we've almost certainly got some sort of shelter. 137 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,120 S3: And we should be thanking the Lord for that. We 138 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,530 S3: need to focus on the things that we do have 139 00:07:51,530 --> 00:07:54,490 S3: that he's provided for us and not the things that 140 00:07:54,490 --> 00:07:58,450 S3: he doesn't have. And it's it's really it's really interesting 141 00:07:58,490 --> 00:08:03,610 S3: that in Romans chapter one, um, Paul says that that 142 00:08:03,650 --> 00:08:05,890 S3: even though they knew God, this is verse 21, they 143 00:08:05,890 --> 00:08:10,330 S3: did not honor him as God or give thanks. And 144 00:08:10,330 --> 00:08:13,010 S3: I find that so interesting. I think one of the 145 00:08:13,490 --> 00:08:16,810 S3: the keys of being a Christian, one of the main marks, 146 00:08:16,850 --> 00:08:20,570 S3: is that we know where all of our blessings come from, 147 00:08:21,250 --> 00:08:23,970 S3: and we should be very quick to thank the Lord for, 148 00:08:24,010 --> 00:08:27,490 S3: for whatever we have. Um, from him. And I think 149 00:08:27,890 --> 00:08:29,490 S3: I think, as Michael said, I think that there are 150 00:08:29,490 --> 00:08:33,329 S3: things that we can be and should be really grateful for. 151 00:08:35,010 --> 00:08:36,970 S1: And we are grateful for the two Michaels, and I'm 152 00:08:37,010 --> 00:08:39,770 S1: grateful for you. We are going to take a break 153 00:08:39,770 --> 00:08:42,570 S1: and then come back. And Valerie has a great question 154 00:08:42,570 --> 00:08:45,130 S1: from the Old Testament. Do you have a question about 155 00:08:45,130 --> 00:08:55,460 S1: the Bible, about the Christian life? 775483675 is our number (877) 548-3675. 156 00:08:55,500 --> 00:08:58,420 S1: You can ask a question as well on our Facebook 157 00:08:58,420 --> 00:09:00,940 S1: page if you'd like, but we'd love to hear your 158 00:09:00,940 --> 00:09:06,900 S1: voice today. (877) 548-3675. The two Michaels are in the house 159 00:09:06,900 --> 00:09:18,780 S1: on a two Michaels Tuesday on Chris Fabry Live. The 160 00:09:18,780 --> 00:09:21,260 S1: two Michaels are at the radio backyard fence and we 161 00:09:21,260 --> 00:09:24,020 S1: have open lines for you right now. This would be 162 00:09:24,020 --> 00:09:27,860 S1: a fantastic. Somebody is holding back. You say, well, they 163 00:09:27,860 --> 00:09:30,380 S1: won't take my you know what? We will. We've got 164 00:09:30,380 --> 00:09:36,940 S1: eight lines open for you right now at (877) 548-3675. You've 165 00:09:36,940 --> 00:09:39,500 S1: never talked with Michaels before. Or you talked with him 166 00:09:39,500 --> 00:09:42,260 S1: last month and you have a question. We're opening the 167 00:09:42,260 --> 00:09:47,589 S1: lines for you. Old Testament, New Testament, Christian life. gluttony, 168 00:09:47,630 --> 00:09:52,710 S1: whatever you want to talk about. (877) 548-3675. And I saw 169 00:09:52,710 --> 00:09:56,750 S1: a little email that came through that on Friday. I 170 00:09:56,750 --> 00:09:59,870 S1: think it's a multiple day thing. Moody publishers, you know, 171 00:09:59,910 --> 00:10:03,270 S1: the Black Friday thing, 50% off anything that means 50% 172 00:10:03,270 --> 00:10:05,950 S1: off the Moody Bible commentary. So you only have to 173 00:10:05,990 --> 00:10:09,470 S1: pay for Moody BI and the rest of it is 174 00:10:10,150 --> 00:10:11,750 S1: is free. You get it? Yeah. 175 00:10:11,790 --> 00:10:13,110 S2: Bull commentary is. 176 00:10:14,630 --> 00:10:17,829 S1: Yeah. Well, I guess probably Moody Bible. Uh, so if 177 00:10:17,870 --> 00:10:20,630 S1: you'd like that, you can do that online. But I 178 00:10:20,630 --> 00:10:24,030 S1: just mention that because these are the two general general 179 00:10:24,030 --> 00:10:28,790 S1: editors reporting for duty of the Moody Bible Commentary. Our 180 00:10:28,790 --> 00:10:32,550 S1: first call is from Valerie in New Hampshire. Hi, Valerie. 181 00:10:32,590 --> 00:10:33,590 S1: How are you doing today? 182 00:10:34,390 --> 00:10:37,110 S4: Hi, Mr. Chris, I love your show and thank you 183 00:10:37,110 --> 00:10:38,230 S4: for being so helpful. 184 00:10:38,950 --> 00:10:42,390 S1: Thank you. Glad you called. Take us to the Old Testament. 185 00:10:43,790 --> 00:10:47,250 S4: Well, I really would. I'm sorry. I had pulled over 186 00:10:47,250 --> 00:10:49,730 S4: from the car when I heard you're taking calls. And 187 00:10:50,050 --> 00:10:53,050 S4: you know. And I said, oh, great. I'm not that 188 00:10:53,130 --> 00:10:55,730 S4: familiar with where I saw this in the Bible, but. 189 00:10:56,250 --> 00:10:59,250 S4: And and I really should be. But maybe you'll know 190 00:10:59,250 --> 00:11:01,370 S4: where it is. They said it was lot's wife, but 191 00:11:01,370 --> 00:11:04,569 S4: I don't think so. I'm not sure. The the story 192 00:11:04,610 --> 00:11:09,810 S4: that or the scene that, um, the father put his 193 00:11:09,809 --> 00:11:13,450 S4: daughter out and let the in place of the stranger. 194 00:11:14,450 --> 00:11:17,930 S1: Yes. Genesis 19 and I know that because Chris Siegert 195 00:11:17,929 --> 00:11:23,010 S1: said it's Genesis 19. And so Mike V, uh, we 196 00:11:23,010 --> 00:11:25,490 S1: got Doctor Redlich. We always go to him for the, 197 00:11:25,490 --> 00:11:27,530 S1: the Old Testament thing. You can jump in there. 198 00:11:28,490 --> 00:11:32,449 S2: I'll, I'll ask a New Testament verse of Mike, but, uh, 199 00:11:32,570 --> 00:11:38,650 S2: it says, look, uh, in in Genesis 19 seven, these 200 00:11:38,650 --> 00:11:42,209 S2: are two angels that have come in, two messengers that 201 00:11:42,210 --> 00:11:44,660 S2: came with the angel of the Lord to Abraham. Then 202 00:11:44,660 --> 00:11:47,060 S2: they go to lot and he says, look, I've got 203 00:11:47,059 --> 00:11:50,340 S2: two daughters who to the crowd who are demanding them. 204 00:11:50,660 --> 00:11:53,420 S2: I've got two daughters who haven't had sexual relations with 205 00:11:53,420 --> 00:11:55,780 S2: a man. I'll bring them out to you, and you 206 00:11:55,780 --> 00:11:58,900 S2: can do whatever you want to them. However, I don't 207 00:11:58,900 --> 00:12:01,580 S2: want to do anything. I don't do anything to these 208 00:12:01,580 --> 00:12:04,620 S2: men's men because they have come under the protection of 209 00:12:04,620 --> 00:12:10,260 S2: my roof. So it seems to me that lot went 210 00:12:10,260 --> 00:12:15,220 S2: into Sodom to live and Sodom got into lot. Uh, 211 00:12:15,580 --> 00:12:19,780 S2: and part of the culture, I think, of that world 212 00:12:20,059 --> 00:12:22,699 S2: was to give. Once you give protection to someone, you 213 00:12:22,740 --> 00:12:27,020 S2: can't give them up. On the other hand, uh, the 214 00:12:27,059 --> 00:12:31,300 S2: sexual immorality of that world, he's thinking, well, my daughters 215 00:12:31,300 --> 00:12:33,420 S2: will satisfy this, and this is the way I can 216 00:12:33,420 --> 00:12:39,740 S2: fulfill this greater obligation that he felt of protection for, uh, 217 00:12:41,380 --> 00:12:44,230 S2: for these two men that he, I don't think knew 218 00:12:44,510 --> 00:12:49,630 S2: were angels. It's despicable, is what I would say. Uh, 219 00:12:50,950 --> 00:12:53,310 S2: the question and I think this is what it takes, 220 00:12:53,350 --> 00:12:57,630 S2: is I think this teaches us about imputed righteousness in 221 00:12:57,630 --> 00:13:00,910 S2: Second Peter. I think it's chapter 2 or 3. Mike 222 00:13:00,910 --> 00:13:06,550 S2: will know. Uh, it talks about righteous lot. And I 223 00:13:07,230 --> 00:13:10,030 S2: always struggle with the verse in the New Testament, the 224 00:13:10,030 --> 00:13:13,190 S2: verse in the Old Testament there. It's a terrible thing 225 00:13:13,190 --> 00:13:17,990 S2: he did. It's disgusting. It's it's reprehensible. It is exactly 226 00:13:17,990 --> 00:13:23,030 S2: the way lot was being influenced by Sodom. The question 227 00:13:23,030 --> 00:13:25,430 S2: I have is, how can he be called righteous? Lot. 228 00:13:25,429 --> 00:13:27,390 S2: And I'll just turn that right over to Mike. 229 00:13:27,630 --> 00:13:28,870 S1: Okay. Mike V. 230 00:13:30,110 --> 00:13:33,510 S3: Well, I think you've already hinted at it, Michael. And 231 00:13:33,510 --> 00:13:37,550 S3: that is, um, lot probably had the faith of Abraham. 232 00:13:37,550 --> 00:13:39,790 S3: I don't know that we're told that although he's called 233 00:13:39,790 --> 00:13:43,520 S3: righteous Lot in second Peter two seven. Uh, and so 234 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,080 S3: I'm guessing that he had, uh, the same sort of 235 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,800 S3: faith that Abraham had. God had counted him righteous as well. 236 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,240 S3: But there's a difference between being counted righteous by God 237 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,679 S3: and being righteous and holy in terms of your behavior. 238 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,200 S3: All of us who have claimed Christ by faith and 239 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,440 S3: who are saved, God counts as righteous. But do we 240 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,600 S3: live perfectly holy lives all the time? No. We spend 241 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,560 S3: way too often. And so I think lot is in 242 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,559 S3: the same category as we are. We're in the same 243 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:16,160 S3: category as lot is. He may have been worse further 244 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,920 S3: along on that spectrum, um, in terms of being on 245 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,120 S3: the sinful side, but I believe God still counted him righteous. 246 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,160 S3: And I expect to see lot in heaven. 247 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:26,400 S1: Hmm. 248 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:31,000 S2: And see, now, that's the thing that gives me hope. Yeah. 249 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,120 S2: And I think it should give everyone hope, because we 250 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,000 S2: think the only people that can be saved are really 251 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,840 S2: not so bad people. People who are a little sinful, 252 00:14:39,650 --> 00:14:43,850 S2: You know, but someone that's really sinful, that maybe was 253 00:14:43,850 --> 00:14:49,450 S2: in jail as a drug pusher, maybe sexually inappropriate, behaving wrongly, 254 00:14:49,970 --> 00:14:54,890 S2: drug pusher, pushing drugs, taking drugs. Uh, that's the person 255 00:14:54,890 --> 00:15:01,050 S2: that can't be saved. Uh, but you know what? Righteous lot, uh, 256 00:15:01,490 --> 00:15:04,650 S2: that that that tells me that there's hope for all 257 00:15:04,650 --> 00:15:09,010 S2: of us. And it's it's not just for the the 258 00:15:09,050 --> 00:15:11,690 S2: people who are like, Chris, you know, a little bad. 259 00:15:12,370 --> 00:15:15,570 S1: Well, he didn't turn back like his wife, you know, 260 00:15:15,610 --> 00:15:19,650 S1: he didn't he didn't. So, you know, Abraham believed God 261 00:15:19,650 --> 00:15:22,890 S1: and it was credited to him for righteousness. So what 262 00:15:22,890 --> 00:15:26,810 S1: you're saying is, I think, uh, that lot believed God. 263 00:15:26,850 --> 00:15:31,250 S1: Not perfectly, but that was that is why it was 264 00:15:31,250 --> 00:15:33,610 S1: credited to him in. And did you say it was 265 00:15:33,610 --> 00:15:35,890 S1: second Peter that you just quoted? Second. 266 00:15:36,170 --> 00:15:37,850 S2: Second Peter 272. 267 00:15:37,850 --> 00:15:40,820 S1: Two. Okay. So you've had Romans one, Genesis 19, second 268 00:15:40,820 --> 00:15:44,740 S1: Peter two. Now, Valerie, thank you. Denise is in Florida. Denise, 269 00:15:44,740 --> 00:15:46,380 S1: you're on with the two Michaels. 270 00:15:47,540 --> 00:15:48,380 S4: Oh. Excuse me. 271 00:15:48,980 --> 00:15:51,260 S1: Denise. It's you. Yeah, it's all your turn. 272 00:15:52,780 --> 00:15:56,780 S5: Okay, so Scripture says that no one knows when Jesus 273 00:15:56,780 --> 00:16:01,340 S5: will return. Only the father knows. So now that Jesus 274 00:16:01,380 --> 00:16:06,060 S5: is no longer, um, God man, he has resurrected and 275 00:16:06,060 --> 00:16:09,500 S5: he is back. He is in heaven. Does he know 276 00:16:09,540 --> 00:16:10,820 S5: when he will return? 277 00:16:11,820 --> 00:16:14,580 S1: Okay. The first question though, from what you just said 278 00:16:14,580 --> 00:16:22,180 S1: is he is no longer God man. Is that true? Michaels? Uh, he. 279 00:16:22,220 --> 00:16:22,420 S2: Might. 280 00:16:22,420 --> 00:16:22,780 S1: Be. 281 00:16:22,940 --> 00:16:27,580 S3: Well, he is. He is still the God man. He 282 00:16:27,580 --> 00:16:34,140 S3: he is somewhere in his resurrected body, uh, occupying three dimensions. Uh, 283 00:16:34,140 --> 00:16:39,190 S3: he still has his human nature with him. Um, I mean, 284 00:16:39,230 --> 00:16:43,750 S3: it's a tricky question. It really is beneath the the. Yeah. 285 00:16:43,830 --> 00:16:47,590 S3: Here's the here's the deal. Okay, so Jesus, in his incarnation, um, 286 00:16:47,630 --> 00:16:51,190 S3: on occasion, had limited knowledge. It says in John's gospel 287 00:16:51,190 --> 00:16:53,430 S3: in a couple of different places that Jesus only knows 288 00:16:53,430 --> 00:16:56,270 S3: and speaks the things that God tells him. Well, apparently 289 00:16:56,270 --> 00:17:01,150 S3: in his humanity, God had not told him the date 290 00:17:01,190 --> 00:17:05,790 S3: of of the Second Coming. Um, but in his in 291 00:17:05,830 --> 00:17:10,990 S3: his deity he would have known, because in his divine 292 00:17:10,990 --> 00:17:14,149 S3: nature he would know everything. He's omniscient, but in his 293 00:17:14,150 --> 00:17:17,190 S3: human nature, uh, he did not know because he was 294 00:17:17,190 --> 00:17:19,149 S3: dependent upon the father and his human nature. And the 295 00:17:19,150 --> 00:17:21,790 S3: father did not tell him that. So I'm going to 296 00:17:21,790 --> 00:17:24,310 S3: guess that he now knows the date. But he didn't 297 00:17:24,310 --> 00:17:27,230 S3: when he was here before. Uh, that was his part 298 00:17:27,230 --> 00:17:30,030 S3: of God's plan. And frankly, if he had told us 299 00:17:30,030 --> 00:17:32,949 S3: the date. And let's suppose it's, you know, five years 300 00:17:32,950 --> 00:17:36,570 S3: from now. Well, then, for 25, 2000 years, the church 301 00:17:36,570 --> 00:17:39,850 S3: would have been living riotously in sin because Jesus isn't 302 00:17:39,850 --> 00:17:41,690 S3: going to come back forever and ever and ever for 303 00:17:41,690 --> 00:17:45,210 S3: a long time. And so this way he might come back. 304 00:17:45,210 --> 00:17:47,209 S3: He might come back any time, and we need to 305 00:17:47,210 --> 00:17:49,530 S3: be alert and ready for him. 306 00:17:50,369 --> 00:17:53,730 S2: So I just want to be really clear. Jesus is 307 00:17:54,050 --> 00:17:57,610 S2: the God man. He is forever the God man. He 308 00:17:57,609 --> 00:18:03,770 S2: is forever God incarnate. And uh, he is glorified humanity. 309 00:18:03,810 --> 00:18:07,450 S2: He is the firstfruits of the resurrection. So he has 310 00:18:07,850 --> 00:18:14,929 S2: he is glorified humanity. He is not, uh, he's no longer, uh, 311 00:18:15,410 --> 00:18:21,489 S2: in incarnate as physically as we are because he's got 312 00:18:21,490 --> 00:18:24,370 S2: a glorified body. Now, that's that's the difference. But it's 313 00:18:24,369 --> 00:18:29,970 S2: still a human glorified body as well as a human 314 00:18:29,970 --> 00:18:33,370 S2: nature and a divine nature. I think that that's crucial. Anyway, 315 00:18:33,369 --> 00:18:35,380 S2: when When Mike was saying this, I thought, oh, there's 316 00:18:35,380 --> 00:18:37,740 S2: a verse that says he's still self-limiting his knowledge. But 317 00:18:37,740 --> 00:18:40,420 S2: I was wrong because I looked it up. And in 318 00:18:40,460 --> 00:18:43,419 S2: first in acts chapter one, when the disciples say, are 319 00:18:43,420 --> 00:18:46,940 S2: you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time? I 320 00:18:46,980 --> 00:18:49,020 S2: thought he said, no one knows, but that's not what 321 00:18:49,020 --> 00:18:53,020 S2: he says. He says, he said to them, it's not 322 00:18:53,020 --> 00:18:56,619 S2: for you to know times or periods that the father 323 00:18:56,619 --> 00:19:00,300 S2: has set by his own authority. It's not that he 324 00:19:00,300 --> 00:19:04,460 S2: doesn't know any longer. It's that, hey, we should stop 325 00:19:04,460 --> 00:19:08,899 S2: setting dates. It's not for us to know. And and 326 00:19:09,220 --> 00:19:10,859 S2: that's what's so crucial about it. 327 00:19:11,260 --> 00:19:12,500 S1: Does that make sense, Denise? 328 00:19:13,700 --> 00:19:16,859 S5: It does, it does. But my husband and I teach, 329 00:19:16,859 --> 00:19:19,700 S5: and we have been. We're teaching revelation, and we have 330 00:19:19,700 --> 00:19:23,379 S5: been teaching all along that nobody knows. No one knows 331 00:19:23,380 --> 00:19:26,460 S5: except the father. And then one of our students came 332 00:19:26,460 --> 00:19:29,260 S5: up and said, well, now that he is in heaven 333 00:19:29,700 --> 00:19:32,990 S5: and he is in a glorified state, would he not 334 00:19:32,990 --> 00:19:36,430 S5: know the date now? And that's why I brought up 335 00:19:36,430 --> 00:19:37,270 S5: the question. 336 00:19:38,270 --> 00:19:41,950 S2: He's got it in his. His iPhone on the calendar. 337 00:19:44,790 --> 00:19:48,190 S1: Or outlook. He's got he's got his schedule there. Okay. Hey. 338 00:19:48,190 --> 00:19:50,310 S1: Thank you Denise. God bless you, friend. Thank you for 339 00:19:50,310 --> 00:19:52,990 S1: calling in. See how easy that is? Denise has got 340 00:19:52,990 --> 00:19:55,909 S1: this question. She and her husband teach, and they. And 341 00:19:55,910 --> 00:19:58,750 S1: they had this question from someone. Isn't that a wonderful 342 00:19:58,750 --> 00:20:01,270 S1: thing where they share that kind of knowledge? So you 343 00:20:01,270 --> 00:20:06,910 S1: can do the same thing. (877) 548-3675. Guy is in West 344 00:20:06,910 --> 00:20:09,590 S1: Palm Beach, Florida. Hi, Guy. How are you doing today? 345 00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:13,030 S6: Hello, Chris, Michael and Michael. I'm doing well. Thank you. 346 00:20:13,310 --> 00:20:14,750 S1: Great. What's your question? 347 00:20:14,790 --> 00:20:17,030 S6: I was in my Bible time this morning. I was 348 00:20:17,030 --> 00:20:21,389 S6: in Psalm 121. The last two verses say, the Lord 349 00:20:21,390 --> 00:20:24,710 S6: shall preserve you from all evil. He shall preserve your soul. 350 00:20:25,070 --> 00:20:27,470 S6: The Lord shall preserve your going out and your coming 351 00:20:27,470 --> 00:20:30,750 S6: in from this time forth and forevermore. And as I 352 00:20:30,750 --> 00:20:33,800 S6: was reading that and praying through it, I started thinking 353 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,680 S6: about all the Christians in Nigeria that are being slaughtered 354 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,119 S6: and in the Congo and other places around the world. 355 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,000 S6: And I know I'm trying to take an eternal perspective 356 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,320 S6: on this, but I'm just wondering how to reconcile these 357 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,840 S6: verses with the slaughter of Christians around the world. 358 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,120 S1: Great question. All right. Doctor Radelet. 359 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,640 S2: Well, that makes me think of Psalm 91, uh, because 360 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,840 S2: that's the psalm that the that Satan tempted the Lord with. 361 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,520 S2: He said, you know, cast yourself down because, uh, the 362 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,919 S2: Lord's going to protect you. Uh, you know, the passage 363 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,640 S2: I'm talking about, that's what he quotes from Psalm 91. 364 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,560 S2: And I'm turning there right now. And I was asked 365 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:21,159 S2: a lot about this very, this very thing. Uh, he 366 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,399 S2: won't allow your foot. Uh. How's it, how's it going? 367 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,880 S1: That my foot to slip? Yeah. 368 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:27,320 S3: Yeah. 369 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:34,250 S2: And, uh. And he will give his angels charge concerning you, 370 00:21:34,250 --> 00:21:37,050 S2: to protect you in all your ways. Uh, no harm 371 00:21:37,050 --> 00:21:39,530 S2: will come to you. No plague will come near your tent. 372 00:21:39,570 --> 00:21:42,889 S2: They're saying, look there. There are believers who are dying 373 00:21:42,930 --> 00:21:45,770 S2: of Covid. And this is the verse that the Lord 374 00:21:45,770 --> 00:21:49,330 S2: Jesus was tempted with. And that's why he couldn't throw 375 00:21:49,330 --> 00:21:53,690 S2: himself off the pinnacle of, of the temple. And as 376 00:21:53,690 --> 00:21:57,690 S2: I thought about it, I thought at at that time, 377 00:21:57,730 --> 00:21:59,290 S2: you know, when he wasn't going to tempt the Lord 378 00:21:59,290 --> 00:22:02,090 S2: as God, God would have protected him if he if 379 00:22:02,090 --> 00:22:04,609 S2: he had, uh, the father would have taken care of 380 00:22:04,609 --> 00:22:07,530 S2: him if he had tossed himself down. So what did 381 00:22:07,530 --> 00:22:11,010 S2: it mean? That the Lord Jesus would be protected and 382 00:22:11,010 --> 00:22:16,290 S2: safe until the very time that God called, determined that 383 00:22:16,290 --> 00:22:19,050 S2: the crucifixion would happen and that he would die, and 384 00:22:19,050 --> 00:22:22,290 S2: then he would be raised from the dead afterwards. I 385 00:22:22,290 --> 00:22:25,449 S2: think the same thing is true for everyone that suffers. 386 00:22:25,770 --> 00:22:29,460 S2: God does protect us right up to the time when 387 00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:33,020 S2: it's time for us to come home. And and so 388 00:22:33,060 --> 00:22:36,740 S2: it's a no one's ever going to take us before 389 00:22:36,740 --> 00:22:40,379 S2: God's time, no matter what they do. Nothing will ever 390 00:22:40,380 --> 00:22:44,020 S2: harm us before God's time. Only in God's time, in 391 00:22:44,020 --> 00:22:47,900 S2: his sovereignty are we taken. I think, uh, Mike, my 392 00:22:47,900 --> 00:22:52,060 S2: my good, uh, Calvinist buddy here would agree with that. 393 00:22:53,140 --> 00:22:57,900 S3: Yeah. For sure. But I but let me say to Guy, uh, 394 00:22:57,900 --> 00:23:00,500 S3: that's a tough question. And Michael, you're going to I'm 395 00:23:00,500 --> 00:23:01,859 S3: going to defer to you on this. Let me make 396 00:23:01,859 --> 00:23:04,500 S3: a statement. You tell me if it's right when we're 397 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:06,979 S3: talking about the Book of Psalms or anything in the 398 00:23:06,980 --> 00:23:10,260 S3: Old Testament, we're talking about life under the mosaic covenant 399 00:23:11,020 --> 00:23:14,180 S3: for the Jewish people who lived in obedience and in 400 00:23:14,180 --> 00:23:18,540 S3: faithfulness to the Lord. There were promises related to their security, 401 00:23:18,540 --> 00:23:23,620 S3: their prosperity, their health, their happiness, um, and such things. 402 00:23:24,180 --> 00:23:26,540 S3: The problem is, is that so many of the Jewish people. 403 00:23:27,630 --> 00:23:29,790 S3: failed to live up to their end of the covenant, 404 00:23:29,790 --> 00:23:32,590 S3: and so God judged them. But if they had, they 405 00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:34,710 S3: would have had they would have had a glorious thing 406 00:23:34,750 --> 00:23:36,909 S3: on the earth. The problem is, we're not under the 407 00:23:36,910 --> 00:23:40,150 S3: mosaic covenant anymore. We're under the New Covenant. And in 408 00:23:40,150 --> 00:23:42,870 S3: the wake of the cross, Jesus said, in the world 409 00:23:42,869 --> 00:23:45,949 S3: you will have tribulation. And so we don't have a 410 00:23:45,950 --> 00:23:48,750 S3: contradiction here, but but we have to pay attention to 411 00:23:48,790 --> 00:23:53,510 S3: where we are historically and covenantally in terms of some 412 00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:55,030 S3: of these different kinds of issues. 413 00:23:56,030 --> 00:23:56,510 S1: Yeah. 414 00:23:57,230 --> 00:24:00,510 S2: I do. I have a minute to say something. Yeah. 415 00:24:00,550 --> 00:24:03,710 S2: Go ahead. Oh go ahead. Psalm 73 I think is 416 00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:06,870 S2: a really interesting. It's why good things happen to bad 417 00:24:06,869 --> 00:24:10,910 S2: people instead of the opposite. And it starts off in 418 00:24:10,910 --> 00:24:13,149 S2: the first verse that God is indeed good to Israel, 419 00:24:13,150 --> 00:24:15,510 S2: to the pure in heart. That's the biblical promise that 420 00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:18,430 S2: Michael was just talking about, that, that God will be 421 00:24:18,430 --> 00:24:23,909 S2: good if we are obedient. But then the psalmist Asaph 422 00:24:23,910 --> 00:24:27,850 S2: almost slipped. Why? Because he has an experiential problem. He's 423 00:24:27,850 --> 00:24:30,810 S2: got the promise. But what he sees is the righteous 424 00:24:30,810 --> 00:24:36,730 S2: suffering and the wicked prospering. Right. And even then, he 425 00:24:36,730 --> 00:24:40,730 S2: had the experience issues that we would, uh, today, when 426 00:24:40,730 --> 00:24:44,290 S2: we see the righteous suffering. And what happens is he 427 00:24:44,290 --> 00:24:48,010 S2: gets the right perspective when he enters into worship and 428 00:24:48,010 --> 00:24:51,050 S2: he understands the destiny of the wicked and what he 429 00:24:51,050 --> 00:24:54,370 S2: realizes that God is always with you. You hold my 430 00:24:54,369 --> 00:24:57,410 S2: right hand, you guide me with your counsel, and afterward 431 00:24:57,410 --> 00:24:59,610 S2: you will take me up to glory. So his hope 432 00:24:59,609 --> 00:25:02,689 S2: is God's presence in his life and his promise to 433 00:25:02,730 --> 00:25:08,810 S2: take him to glory, even though his suffering was evident 434 00:25:08,810 --> 00:25:12,370 S2: even then. So I don't think it's it was not 435 00:25:12,410 --> 00:25:15,649 S2: a I mean, experientially look at job in the Old Testament. 436 00:25:15,770 --> 00:25:19,369 S2: He's suffering even though he was righteous guy. 437 00:25:19,410 --> 00:25:21,330 S1: Hang on. This is what happens when you ask a 438 00:25:21,330 --> 00:25:24,540 S1: really good question. You get the two Michaels to jump 439 00:25:24,540 --> 00:25:26,740 S1: in here. Do you see how much fun we have 440 00:25:26,980 --> 00:25:30,180 S1: in talking about the Bible opening the scriptures? You can 441 00:25:30,180 --> 00:25:36,300 S1: get in on that. (877) 548-3675. There's room for you on 442 00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:42,379 S1: our phone lines right now. (877) 548-3675. There are more questions 443 00:25:42,380 --> 00:25:45,020 S1: coming up. Straight ahead. And I'm going to have doctor 444 00:25:45,460 --> 00:25:47,500 S1: Nick help me out with something when we come back 445 00:25:47,500 --> 00:26:03,100 S1: from this break. This is Chris Fabry live on Moody Radio. Oh, 446 00:26:03,100 --> 00:26:04,900 S1: it is so much fun to have the two Michaels 447 00:26:04,900 --> 00:26:09,179 S1: on a Tuesday before Thanksgiving. And something happened just a 448 00:26:09,180 --> 00:26:11,500 S1: little bit ago. I said to Michael Redlick, hey, how 449 00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:14,619 S1: do you get phone calls on Saturdays to open line? 450 00:26:14,619 --> 00:26:17,260 S1: And he said, well, here's what you say. Now would 451 00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:19,899 S1: be a great time to call. You know, call right now. 452 00:26:19,940 --> 00:26:22,670 S1: We've got some lines open. So I did that. Look 453 00:26:22,670 --> 00:26:25,830 S1: at this. Every line is going right now from people 454 00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:28,270 S1: who heard Doctor Rudnick. So I'm going to do one 455 00:26:28,270 --> 00:26:31,750 S1: more thing. I'm going to ask his advice here. Every 456 00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:35,550 S1: month we give away something to anyone who supports this 457 00:26:35,550 --> 00:26:38,070 S1: program Chris Fabry live. And I know he does the 458 00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:40,950 S1: same thing on his program. And this month it is 459 00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:44,430 S1: the Little Christmas Carol coloring and activity book. I wanted 460 00:26:44,430 --> 00:26:47,070 S1: to give this away. It's illustrated by Jo Sutphen, who 461 00:26:47,070 --> 00:26:52,070 S1: did the Wingfeather saga and who did Watership Down. I mean, 462 00:26:52,430 --> 00:26:56,149 S1: Jo knows what he's doing, and it's gorgeous, but I 463 00:26:56,190 --> 00:26:58,350 S1: still have. We're about halfway through and I've only got 464 00:26:58,390 --> 00:27:01,390 S1: one week left. So, Doctor Rudnick, how do I ask 465 00:27:01,390 --> 00:27:03,030 S1: people to give a gift of any size so that 466 00:27:03,030 --> 00:27:05,750 S1: I can send this to them, their kids and grandkids? 467 00:27:07,030 --> 00:27:10,270 S2: Well, I know that each of us, when I choose 468 00:27:10,270 --> 00:27:13,990 S2: what the resource will be for our thank you gift. Yeah, 469 00:27:14,030 --> 00:27:16,750 S2: I'm very persnickety. I'm very careful. I want to make 470 00:27:16,790 --> 00:27:21,200 S2: sure it's something that would really benefit the listeners. I 471 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,600 S2: know you're the very same you. You don't take it lightly. 472 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,119 S2: And so what I would say is you don't want 473 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,800 S2: to miss the opportunity to get this resource. And I 474 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,320 S2: really mean that this is a great thing when you 475 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,399 S2: look at it. Uh, this is a great thing. I mean, 476 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,280 S2: I'm always looking for stuff at the holidays to, uh, 477 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,800 S2: to to be with my grandkids. My, my kids are 478 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,400 S2: a little older. They won't do it with me. But 479 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,120 S2: I do these kinds of things with my grandkids crafts 480 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,040 S2: and things like that. They love it. And don't miss 481 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,240 S2: the opportunity of doing this with your kids at the 482 00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,800 S2: at the Christmas season. Don't miss the opportunity with your grandkids. 483 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,919 S1: There's no there's no phone. There's no tablet, there's no screen. 484 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,000 S1: It's just you and, you know, words on the page 485 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,160 S1: or coloring in the lines and that kind of thing. 486 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,440 S1: So if you would like a copy of the Little 487 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,960 S1: Christmas Carol Coloring and Activity book, it's 32 pages. It's 488 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,850 S1: a lot of fun. I want to get it to you. Uh, 866953. 489 00:28:20,890 --> 00:28:24,530 S1: Give a gift of any size. Any a any any 490 00:28:24,530 --> 00:28:29,609 S1: size or go to Chris. Scroll down. You'll see this 491 00:28:29,609 --> 00:28:35,930 S1: beautifully illustrated coloring and activity book Chris fabric for. Don't 492 00:28:35,930 --> 00:28:39,490 S1: miss the opportunity. How does that do? Did that do okay, Michael. 493 00:28:39,530 --> 00:28:40,890 S1: That's it. You like that? 494 00:28:40,930 --> 00:28:42,770 S2: And how about we want to say thank you. We 495 00:28:42,770 --> 00:28:45,370 S2: appreciate you so much. This is a great way for 496 00:28:45,370 --> 00:28:46,490 S2: us to say thank you. 497 00:28:46,530 --> 00:28:49,130 S1: Mike V was that good. Is there anything you'd add 498 00:28:49,130 --> 00:28:49,770 S1: to that? 499 00:28:50,610 --> 00:28:53,890 S3: I you can't add to perfection I mean that was 500 00:28:53,930 --> 00:28:57,410 S3: that was so well put. It was was just gold. 501 00:28:57,450 --> 00:28:59,770 S2: Chris Seeger was taking out his wallet I saw it. 502 00:28:59,810 --> 00:29:00,410 S1: Yes it. 503 00:29:00,410 --> 00:29:00,690 S2: Was. 504 00:29:01,690 --> 00:29:03,890 S1: So if you're hanging on the phone, don't call us 505 00:29:03,890 --> 00:29:06,810 S1: now for that. You just because I want your Bible 506 00:29:06,810 --> 00:29:09,330 S1: question for the two Michaels. But if you want to 507 00:29:09,370 --> 00:29:15,330 S1: receive the coloring book and activity book 866953 Chris Fabry live. 508 00:29:16,010 --> 00:29:19,860 S1: Don't miss the opportunity. Julie is in Illinois. Julie, why 509 00:29:19,860 --> 00:29:20,740 S1: did you call today? 510 00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:27,780 S7: Hello. I'm calling today because I would like to know, um, 511 00:29:27,820 --> 00:29:33,660 S7: regarding the end times and when the Lord returns for us. Um, 512 00:29:33,700 --> 00:29:37,420 S7: when I first even learned that after I got saved 513 00:29:37,420 --> 00:29:39,340 S7: and I learned that, you know, Jesus was going to 514 00:29:39,340 --> 00:29:43,180 S7: come back, I just learned the only one I learned 515 00:29:43,180 --> 00:29:48,100 S7: was the pre-trib rapture. But now I've been exposed to 516 00:29:48,380 --> 00:29:53,500 S7: other views where he comes and rescues us before the 517 00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:56,100 S7: wrath of God is poured out on the earth. And 518 00:29:56,100 --> 00:30:02,540 S7: I just wanted to know which is the most. Um, well, actually, 519 00:30:02,540 --> 00:30:07,500 S7: what I'd like to know is throughout history, have Christians 520 00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:12,540 S7: believed that Jesus was coming back seven years before he 521 00:30:12,540 --> 00:30:16,920 S7: returns to pour out the wrath of God on the world. 522 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:18,760 S7: A good question to know. 523 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:19,320 S1: You've asked. 524 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:19,640 S7: That. 525 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:20,080 S4: Is. 526 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:25,320 S1: These. These two people have definitely opinions, strong opinions about 527 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,480 S1: this that differ from others. But we had this conversation, 528 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,840 S1: I believe it was last month about the rancor that 529 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,800 S1: is in Christendom, about this whole thing. And I don't 530 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,240 S1: think they're going to be rancorous about other people who 531 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,240 S1: disagree with them about this. So, uh, can we start 532 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,840 S1: with Mike V? Mike V? How do you answer that question? 533 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:47,200 S3: Sure. Well, uh, throughout church history, um, I believe that 534 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,920 S3: the real Christianity has been pre-tribulational because I think the 535 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,240 S3: pre-tribulation rapture goes back to Jesus and Paul. I don't 536 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,520 S3: think it was invented, um, you know, 150 or 200 537 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,960 S3: years ago, like a lot of people claim. I think 538 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:06,320 S3: it actually goes back, um, to the to the original guys, um, the, 539 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,880 S3: the I think what, what Julie's referring to is the 540 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,840 S3: pre-wrath rapture view, which says that really, you don't have 541 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,810 S3: the great wrath of God until the last half of 542 00:31:16,810 --> 00:31:20,250 S3: the tribulation. But the problem is in revelation chapter six, 543 00:31:20,290 --> 00:31:24,090 S3: verse 16, uh, you have people hiding themselves. This is 544 00:31:24,090 --> 00:31:26,250 S3: during the seal judgments. This is during the first half 545 00:31:26,250 --> 00:31:29,210 S3: of the tribulation. And they're saying that they want to 546 00:31:29,210 --> 00:31:31,050 S3: flee from the presence of him who sits on the 547 00:31:31,050 --> 00:31:34,090 S3: throne and from the wrath of the lamb. Uh, let 548 00:31:34,090 --> 00:31:36,250 S3: me just propose that there is the wrath of God, 549 00:31:36,250 --> 00:31:38,650 S3: the great wrath of God, even during the first half 550 00:31:38,970 --> 00:31:43,770 S3: of the tribulation. Um, I think Pre-tribulation is pre-tribulation ism 551 00:31:43,810 --> 00:31:47,530 S3: handles all the evidence best, uh, rather than any of 552 00:31:47,530 --> 00:31:50,130 S3: the other views. And there is a book that Michael 553 00:31:50,130 --> 00:31:54,130 S3: and I both wrote for called evidence for Pre-tribulation rapture. 554 00:31:54,370 --> 00:31:57,570 S2: Evidence for the rapture, evidence for the rapture. That's what it's. 555 00:31:57,570 --> 00:32:01,490 S3: Called, published by Moody Publisher. And it's it's, uh, I 556 00:32:01,530 --> 00:32:04,690 S3: think it's a really good book that explores the the 557 00:32:04,730 --> 00:32:07,250 S3: strengths of the pre-tribulation position. 558 00:32:08,130 --> 00:32:08,650 S8: Michael. 559 00:32:09,210 --> 00:32:12,770 S2: Yeah, I would say that, first of all, uh, I 560 00:32:12,770 --> 00:32:16,580 S2: agree with Michael that it was the the apostles who 561 00:32:16,580 --> 00:32:21,540 S2: taught the pre-trib rapture, particularly Paul. Secondly, it's it's not 562 00:32:21,540 --> 00:32:23,860 S2: that it showed up in the 19th century. Never heard 563 00:32:23,860 --> 00:32:28,140 S2: of before. In the about the fourth, fifth century, there 564 00:32:28,140 --> 00:32:33,340 S2: was a pseudo Ephraim, uh, a book, a sermon. And, uh, 565 00:32:33,340 --> 00:32:36,460 S2: in this book he says that the elect of God 566 00:32:36,460 --> 00:32:39,060 S2: will be gathered to the Lord prior to the tribulation 567 00:32:39,060 --> 00:32:41,380 S2: that is to come. There was a medieval monk who 568 00:32:41,380 --> 00:32:46,420 S2: wrote the same thing. There's a book called, uh, dispensationalism 569 00:32:46,420 --> 00:32:50,220 S2: Before Darby by William Watson. It's a technical book, but 570 00:32:50,220 --> 00:32:53,580 S2: he goes through all the evidence of that. And then, uh, 571 00:32:53,580 --> 00:32:56,140 S2: the other thing, even if it were not, you know, 572 00:32:56,500 --> 00:33:01,900 S2: I have, uh, friends who are very strongly opposed to 573 00:33:01,940 --> 00:33:06,020 S2: the pre-trib rapture because they say it's so new, but 574 00:33:06,020 --> 00:33:11,820 S2: they are very, very committed to justification by faith and, uh, 575 00:33:11,820 --> 00:33:14,590 S2: you know, justification by faith was taught by the apostles. 576 00:33:14,590 --> 00:33:16,270 S2: And then by the time you get to the middle 577 00:33:16,270 --> 00:33:18,190 S2: of the second century, you don't hear about it very 578 00:33:18,190 --> 00:33:21,870 S2: much at all. It disappears. And where it comes back 579 00:33:21,870 --> 00:33:25,710 S2: in the 16th century with Luther and no one says, oh, 580 00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:29,710 S2: that that can't be true because it's too modern. It 581 00:33:29,710 --> 00:33:32,390 S2: was hidden for so many years. They say, oh, no, 582 00:33:32,390 --> 00:33:37,310 S2: justification by faith is a recovered doctrine. I believe that's 583 00:33:37,310 --> 00:33:40,350 S2: the very same thing with the pre-trib rapture. It's not 584 00:33:40,350 --> 00:33:43,910 S2: that it wasn't there in the New Testament. It was lost. 585 00:33:44,110 --> 00:33:47,510 S2: And now it's been recovered since the 19th century. 586 00:33:48,590 --> 00:33:49,510 S8: What do you think, Julie? 587 00:33:50,350 --> 00:33:52,989 S7: I think that sounds really good. And I thank you 588 00:33:52,990 --> 00:33:56,350 S7: for your answer, and I you brought up a little, um, 589 00:33:56,390 --> 00:34:00,390 S7: a memory for me here when you referenced a dispensational 590 00:34:00,390 --> 00:34:04,390 S7: truth book. And I wondered, do you know about Of 591 00:34:04,430 --> 00:34:08,550 S7: Dispensational Truth book by Clarence Lakin? I have this book. 592 00:34:09,670 --> 00:34:09,989 S9: Is that. 593 00:34:10,270 --> 00:34:12,520 S2: Everyone had that book at one time. 594 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,720 S9: Okay. Yeah. 595 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:18,480 S2: Lots of Bible. 596 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:19,080 S9: Charts. 597 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,520 S2: I usually don't use charts, but there's lots of lakin charts, 598 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:24,160 S2: I guess. 599 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,680 S9: Yes, but is he. 600 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,720 S7: Is he does he have the right idea? 601 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,840 S2: His his end time scenario is accurate I think. 602 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,840 S7: Okay, okay. Very good. 603 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:36,160 S9: All right. 604 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,240 S1: Julie, I'm so glad you called. I love your laugh. 605 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,239 S1: You made Michael laugh. And I love that anytime that 606 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,480 S1: he can, we can get somebody to make him laugh, 607 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,600 S1: I like it. God bless you, friend. Happy Thanksgiving. 608 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:48,600 S9: Thank you so much. 609 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,080 S1: Are you going to have anything special on Thanksgiving that, 610 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,800 S1: you know, like cranberry sauce or what are you doing? 611 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,160 S7: I'm going to make some kind of this dip and 612 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,879 S7: I have to find my recipe. I haven't made it 613 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,920 S7: for some years, but I remember people just, like, wanting to, like, 614 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,200 S7: pour it down their throats because it's just like. 615 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,610 S1: It sounds good to me. All right, there's Julie. All right, Julie, 616 00:35:11,610 --> 00:35:14,450 S1: thank you. And let's try to get John in here 617 00:35:14,450 --> 00:35:18,410 S1: in Tennessee from first Corinthians 15 before we take a break. Hey, John, 618 00:35:18,410 --> 00:35:19,210 S1: go right ahead. 619 00:35:20,770 --> 00:35:24,370 S10: Yeah. Good morning guys. Um, I want to thank the 620 00:35:24,370 --> 00:35:27,410 S10: Lord for a beautiful rainy day here in Tennessee. 621 00:35:28,930 --> 00:35:30,290 S1: Love it. I love a rainy day. 622 00:35:30,489 --> 00:35:36,770 S10: Beautiful day. Yeah. Um, yeah. Um, first Corinthians 15. Um, uh, 623 00:35:37,250 --> 00:35:41,890 S10: Paul says in 31, um, I protest by your rejoicing, 624 00:35:41,890 --> 00:35:45,930 S10: which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. 625 00:35:46,890 --> 00:35:51,450 S10: Can you expand on that? Tell me what? What? He's actually, um. 626 00:35:51,530 --> 00:35:53,730 S10: I have my opinion on what I think it means. 627 00:35:53,850 --> 00:35:58,770 S10: My mother and I used to discuss this quite a bit. Um, but, um. 628 00:35:59,650 --> 00:36:03,009 S1: Let me read you what I have in my translation 629 00:36:03,010 --> 00:36:05,970 S1: here and see if this helps at all. It says, 630 00:36:06,010 --> 00:36:10,940 S1: and this is the CSB. I face death every day. Comma, 631 00:36:11,300 --> 00:36:14,540 S1: as surely as I may boast about you brothers and 632 00:36:14,540 --> 00:36:21,540 S1: sisters in Christ Jesus our Lord. Um, Mike V, go ahead. 633 00:36:21,540 --> 00:36:22,260 S1: What do you think? 634 00:36:22,780 --> 00:36:26,260 S3: Right. Well, um, we're in a context now talking about 635 00:36:26,260 --> 00:36:29,900 S3: the resurrection and being baptized for the dead, whatever that means. 636 00:36:30,420 --> 00:36:33,020 S3: And and he says in verse 30, you know, if 637 00:36:33,060 --> 00:36:35,580 S3: the dead aren't raised at all, then why are we 638 00:36:35,620 --> 00:36:38,540 S3: bothering to live the Christian life and the supper that 639 00:36:38,540 --> 00:36:41,420 S3: we are and the persecution that he was going through? 640 00:36:41,460 --> 00:36:43,860 S3: And he says in verse 30, why are we also 641 00:36:43,860 --> 00:36:47,500 S3: in danger every hour? And then he says, I affirm, brethren, 642 00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:49,700 S3: by boasting in you which I have in Christ Jesus 643 00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:52,100 S3: our Lord, I die daily. I think Paul means by 644 00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:56,580 S3: that that he is every day to die for the Lord. 645 00:36:56,820 --> 00:37:00,580 S3: And and the reason why that is okay with him, 646 00:37:00,620 --> 00:37:03,379 S3: I mean, okay, is because he knows that there's going 647 00:37:03,420 --> 00:37:05,660 S3: to be a resurrection someday, that that's not going to 648 00:37:05,660 --> 00:37:08,200 S3: be the end. And so he's ready to die all 649 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,080 S3: the time for Jesus, I think. 650 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,520 S10: As himself. As a sacrifice to the lamb. Yeah. 651 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:17,240 S9: Yeah, yeah. 652 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,279 S2: You know, there's the old saying we have to be 653 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:24,320 S2: ready to preach, pray or die at a moment's notice. And, uh, 654 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,399 S2: that I think we have to be ready to die 655 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,000 S2: every day. That that's that's what Paul is saying. And 656 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,560 S2: not only that, we have to take up our cross 657 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,360 S2: every day. It's not something we do one time. Uh, 658 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,759 S2: we have to take up our cross and and be 659 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,320 S2: prepared to not just, uh, die every day, but live 660 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,279 S2: for the Lord. Uh, and not ourselves every day. And 661 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,040 S2: so that's Doctor Michael. That's what Paul's talking about. 662 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,040 S1: Doctor Michael van Landingham, we know them as the two Michaels. 663 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,480 S1: And I see a blog on Michael's website that says 664 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,600 S1: at Thanksgiving are we like dogs or cats? I want 665 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,640 S1: Michael to explain that when we come back and we'll 666 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,529 S1: take more of your calls. What a fun day here 667 00:38:07,530 --> 00:38:11,089 S1: on a Tuesday before Thanksgiving to talk about the Bible 668 00:38:11,290 --> 00:38:14,490 S1: and the Christian life with the two Michaels Doctor Michael Rudnick, 669 00:38:14,489 --> 00:38:18,729 S1: Doctor Michael Van Landingham. And we'll continue straight ahead on 670 00:38:18,730 --> 00:38:35,090 S1: Moody Radio. We had Doctor Michael del Rosario with us today, 671 00:38:35,090 --> 00:38:37,969 S1: and I told him, we've got to get Doctor Michael 672 00:38:37,969 --> 00:38:40,049 S1: and the two Michaels together. We're going to do that 673 00:38:40,050 --> 00:38:42,810 S1: one of these days. He was talking to Michael's. Yeah, 674 00:38:44,010 --> 00:38:46,489 S1: he was talking about does Jesus. Did Jesus really say 675 00:38:46,489 --> 00:38:49,650 S1: he was God? And now we've got Doctor Rudnick who's 676 00:38:49,650 --> 00:38:52,850 S1: come out with, how should Christians think about Israel? And 677 00:38:52,850 --> 00:38:55,450 S1: the people at Carenet want you to know the importance 678 00:38:55,450 --> 00:38:58,490 S1: of the person of Christ and the truth of the incarnation, 679 00:38:58,489 --> 00:39:02,170 S1: God with us. What a celebration! In the next few weeks, 680 00:39:02,170 --> 00:39:05,260 S1: for 50 years, Karen has walked beside women and men 681 00:39:05,540 --> 00:39:09,379 S1: who have an unexpected pregnancy, and they're struggling with that choice. 682 00:39:09,739 --> 00:39:11,820 S1: And I want you to go. It's a great opportunity. 683 00:39:11,860 --> 00:39:15,140 S1: Don't miss this. Go to Chris. Org. Click the green 684 00:39:15,140 --> 00:39:19,100 S1: connect link and you can receive their free devotional praying 685 00:39:19,140 --> 00:39:23,100 S1: through advent. It'll remind you that God meets us right 686 00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:26,940 S1: there in our uncertainty and all the questions that we have, 687 00:39:26,940 --> 00:39:29,859 S1: all of our anxious moments. And he wants to write 688 00:39:29,860 --> 00:39:35,380 S1: redemption into your story as well. Experience the miracle of 689 00:39:35,420 --> 00:39:38,700 S1: the birth of the Savior as you pray through advent. 690 00:39:38,700 --> 00:39:47,020 S1: Click the Green Connect link at Chris Chris Fabry. At Thanksgiving, 691 00:39:47,020 --> 00:39:49,420 S1: are we like dogs or cats? Well, now we've got 692 00:39:49,420 --> 00:39:51,540 S1: this link at the website so people can go and 693 00:39:51,540 --> 00:39:53,700 S1: read it. But what do you mean by this, Michael? 694 00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:59,219 S2: Well, uh, you know, dogs say, uh, they feed me, 695 00:39:59,219 --> 00:40:02,589 S2: they care for me. Uh, they must be God. That's 696 00:40:02,590 --> 00:40:06,550 S2: what they say of their masters, their owners. But cats 697 00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:09,030 S2: say they feed me. They care for me. I must 698 00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:10,550 S2: be God. And. 699 00:40:12,430 --> 00:40:15,870 S1: Uh, you've just offended half the audience. Now you know that. 700 00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:19,549 S2: Well, I know that the cat lovers. I'm just joking. But, uh. 701 00:40:19,550 --> 00:40:23,670 S2: But even a cat lover knows cats are self self-absorbed. Uh, 702 00:40:23,950 --> 00:40:28,109 S2: and so I think that the key is that if 703 00:40:28,110 --> 00:40:30,149 S2: we have the attitude of a dog, what we're going 704 00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:32,750 S2: to do is express our thanks to God. We're not 705 00:40:32,750 --> 00:40:36,910 S2: going to have some generic gratitude. I think that, uh, 706 00:40:37,150 --> 00:40:40,830 S2: we should be very thoughtful and specific about what we 707 00:40:40,830 --> 00:40:45,750 S2: thank God about. And we should express it, uh, with 708 00:40:45,790 --> 00:40:49,990 S2: a great deal of joy and wholeheartedness when we do it. Uh, 709 00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:53,590 S2: and it's always that we do that. That's what our cat. 710 00:40:53,790 --> 00:40:56,950 S1: Is always thankful. We have a cat named Winston, and 711 00:40:56,950 --> 00:41:02,080 S1: he is always, always thankful. Uh, let's go to Lawrence 712 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,440 S1: in Florida. Lawrence, you're on the program. Go right ahead. 713 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:07,320 S11: Hi. How are you doing? 714 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:08,080 S1: Doing great. 715 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:16,160 S11: Oh, I'm referring to Romans three, verse 25. Okay. Um, 716 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,240 S11: if you could just explain that verse, I mean, especially 717 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,640 S11: the second half of the verse. Um, I'm actually it's 718 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,160 S11: kind of hard for me to read it. 719 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,200 S1: That's fine. We'll do it for you. God presented him 720 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:32,000 S1: as the mercy seat by his blood through faith to 721 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:37,600 S1: demonstrate his righteousness, because in his restraint God passed over 722 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:43,000 S1: the sins previously committed. That's verse 25 of Romans three. 723 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,320 S1: Mike V, go ahead. 724 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,920 S3: Yeah. I mean, so in order to sort of zero 725 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,319 S3: in on a couple of things here, Lawrence, let me 726 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,120 S3: ask you, what is there specifically in that verse that 727 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,120 S3: you have a question about? Because there's a lot in 728 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:57,960 S3: that verse. 729 00:41:58,930 --> 00:42:02,489 S11: Yes, I've been marinating on it since yesterday. So one 730 00:42:02,489 --> 00:42:06,330 S11: of my one of my questions is, you see, because 731 00:42:06,330 --> 00:42:10,609 S11: of his righteousness and his forbearance, he passed over previous 732 00:42:10,610 --> 00:42:15,970 S11: sins committed. Right. So my concern, those previous sins. One 733 00:42:15,969 --> 00:42:20,969 S11: of the questions that that that verse generates is he 734 00:42:20,969 --> 00:42:25,969 S11: passed over previous sins. Um, what are those sins that 735 00:42:25,969 --> 00:42:29,890 S11: he passed over 1 or 2? What is he? Are 736 00:42:29,890 --> 00:42:33,969 S11: those sins now being forgiven through the blood of Jesus Christ? 737 00:42:34,770 --> 00:42:40,730 S11: And three. Well, what what what? I mean, it's the 738 00:42:40,730 --> 00:42:42,970 S11: whole thing just has so much things in there. Really? 739 00:42:43,170 --> 00:42:43,610 S9: Right. 740 00:42:43,890 --> 00:42:47,290 S3: Right. Okay, so I'll try to do this quickly. Um, 741 00:42:47,330 --> 00:42:50,489 S3: there's a sense in which, in the Old Testament, the 742 00:42:50,489 --> 00:42:54,370 S3: blood and the blood of bulls and goats don't actually 743 00:42:54,370 --> 00:42:57,489 S3: take away sin. And yet God said, you know, if 744 00:42:57,530 --> 00:43:00,020 S3: you if you will sacrifice these things, I will count 745 00:43:00,020 --> 00:43:02,820 S3: it as atonement. But there's a sense in which, um, 746 00:43:02,820 --> 00:43:06,420 S3: it's not a full a full atonement. In other words, 747 00:43:06,660 --> 00:43:09,860 S3: if I commit a crime, I can't say to a judge, look, 748 00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:13,259 S3: send my cocker spaniel to prison instead of me. You know, 749 00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:16,540 S3: that would not be just. And yet God forgave people 750 00:43:16,540 --> 00:43:18,700 S3: in the Old Testament. He passed over their sins if 751 00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:23,220 S3: they had the faith of Abraham. Um, and and so. 752 00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:28,299 S3: And it's because God knows that through time, Jesus will 753 00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:32,460 S3: eventually pay for those sins when he dies upon the cross. 754 00:43:32,820 --> 00:43:37,300 S3: So that includes, uh, Old Testament believers, but it includes 755 00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:42,900 S3: New Testament believers as well. Uh, and it's like illustration, uh, 756 00:43:42,900 --> 00:43:45,219 S3: credit card. If I go to, I go to some 757 00:43:45,219 --> 00:43:47,260 S3: store and I buy a pair of shoes or something 758 00:43:47,260 --> 00:43:50,420 S3: like that, and I use my credit card, if we 759 00:43:50,420 --> 00:43:53,460 S3: ask the question, are those shoes paid for? The answer 760 00:43:53,460 --> 00:43:57,120 S3: is yes and no. As far as the store is concerned. 761 00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,839 S3: It's a done deal. But in point of fact, the 762 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:04,200 S3: bill comes later and I have to pay it then. Um, 763 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,600 S3: and so I think it's very much like that with 764 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,839 S3: Jesus not to turn Jesus into a credit card, but 765 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,560 S3: the idea is, is that as far as the Old 766 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,840 S3: Testament believers concerned, that sin was taken care of? Uh, 767 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,680 S3: but we know that finally, that bill was ultimately paid 768 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,600 S3: in Jesus. And so that's what I think the idea 769 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,600 S3: is that God passed over the sins previously committed. He 770 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,280 S3: could do that and still be righteous, because he knows 771 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,680 S3: that eventually his son is going to pay the full bill. 772 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:33,080 S1: Doctor Edelman. 773 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,640 S2: And just for clarification, Mike, what you're saying is he 774 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,000 S2: passed over the sins of people who trusted him and 775 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,359 S2: were it was reckoned to them for righteousness. Not that 776 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,320 S2: he passed over the pagan sins, not that he passed 777 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,359 S2: over people who were not believers so that they could 778 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,960 S2: be saved apart from faith. 779 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,520 S3: Right. I think I said they had to have the 780 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,529 S3: faith of Abraham, or they had to be Old Testament 781 00:44:55,530 --> 00:44:56,770 S3: believers or something? Yeah. 782 00:44:56,810 --> 00:44:58,810 S2: You did. You did say it. I just want to 783 00:44:58,810 --> 00:44:59,530 S2: be really clear. 784 00:44:59,930 --> 00:45:00,450 S3: Right? 785 00:45:00,730 --> 00:45:01,490 S9: Yeah, right. 786 00:45:01,610 --> 00:45:04,250 S1: So this has been really, really fun. The two days 787 00:45:04,250 --> 00:45:07,370 S1: and and, uh. Lawrence. Thank you. You said that you 788 00:45:07,410 --> 00:45:10,810 S1: have been marinating. You know, you've been thinking about that 789 00:45:10,810 --> 00:45:14,009 S1: and rolling that verse around in your mind, and I 790 00:45:14,090 --> 00:45:17,330 S1: love that. Uh, you might be able to, uh, if 791 00:45:17,370 --> 00:45:19,850 S1: you pick up a moody Bible commentary that might give 792 00:45:19,850 --> 00:45:23,009 S1: you some help as well. That's one of the resources 793 00:45:23,010 --> 00:45:25,969 S1: we always offer here. You can find a link to 794 00:45:26,010 --> 00:45:30,530 S1: it at the website. Chris. And I think it starts 795 00:45:30,530 --> 00:45:35,290 S1: this Friday. There's 50% off with Moody Publishers starting on Friday. 796 00:45:35,290 --> 00:45:39,129 S1: So just go to Chris Dot. Also that book that 797 00:45:39,130 --> 00:45:43,370 S1: I mentioned, yours. How should Christians think about Israel? Uh, 798 00:45:43,370 --> 00:45:47,050 S1: if you haven't heard about that yet, that's, uh, also available. 799 00:45:47,570 --> 00:45:52,170 S1: And tomorrow on the program, our mutual friend Christopher Yuan, 800 00:45:52,250 --> 00:45:54,940 S1: some of you have heard about the accident that he 801 00:45:54,940 --> 00:45:59,100 S1: had and the paralysis that he experienced has some really 802 00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:04,219 S1: good news from him. And in the middle of his hospitalization, 803 00:46:04,219 --> 00:46:07,660 S1: there is something that happened in that hospital room that 804 00:46:07,660 --> 00:46:09,620 S1: you have to hear, and we're going to talk about 805 00:46:09,620 --> 00:46:13,020 S1: it tomorrow right here on this program. So make sure 806 00:46:13,020 --> 00:46:16,419 S1: you you listen in. Doctor Randall Lake, happy Thanksgiving. Thanks 807 00:46:16,420 --> 00:46:17,420 S1: for being with us today. 808 00:46:17,460 --> 00:46:19,540 S2: Thanksgiving to you. If people want to check out that 809 00:46:19,540 --> 00:46:21,739 S2: blog they can go to Michael. Org. 810 00:46:22,100 --> 00:46:24,940 S1: Yes. And we have it linked at Chris. Org too. 811 00:46:25,260 --> 00:46:30,380 S1: And doctor Vanlandingham, may you have many mashed potatoes and 812 00:46:30,380 --> 00:46:33,860 S1: much gravy and and more my friend. 813 00:46:34,300 --> 00:46:36,820 S9: Thank you. And you too Chris and Michael. 814 00:46:36,820 --> 00:46:38,460 S3: You guys have a wonderful Thanksgiving. 815 00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:39,060 S1: We'll do it. 816 00:46:39,060 --> 00:46:40,620 S2: I can't wait for The leftovers. 817 00:46:41,460 --> 00:46:44,060 S1: Chris Fabry Live is a production of Moody Radio, a 818 00:46:44,060 --> 00:46:46,380 S1: ministry of Moody Bible Institute.