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S5: So I got this husky puppy.

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S2: I've heard of him.

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S4: He's gonna be getting bigger.

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S5: Yeah. He's big. He is big. I got to get

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S5: a fresh video out because this guy's growing, like every week, man.

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S5: It's like, oh, my word is his appetite had gone

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S5: down here for about a week. And, uh, yesterday, man,

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S5: guy's just built. I mean, the backstory on blaze is

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S5: and he's been breeding dogs for years. And I've got

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S5: the pedigree of blaze. And blaze comes from nine recorded

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S5: and his mom Fendi. As in the yeah, the cool

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S5: hip stuff. I don't own anything. Fendi is it? I'm

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S5: assuming it's women's stuff, right?

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S3: Heard. And men and women, I think. Okay, but most

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S5: Okay. So yeah. So his dad zero, his mom's Fendi.

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S5: When I saw I should have known he was gonna

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S5: That's all you got to do right there. Check him out.

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S5: There they are. So I get this guy, get him

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S5: And I didn't want to do that to a dog.

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S5: No way. Goodness sakes. Horrible trauma. Can you imagine being

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S5: Alaska Airlines bin? No, no. So I threw him under

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S5: there and no joking guys. The window is Max is

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S5: he's been doing puppy stuff steady. And the dude still

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S5: And my wounds have healed up. It's really cool.

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S5: Oh, man, I got he got me a couple of times,

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S5: and he. He bit me, and then he's like, oh, no,

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S5: And there's a natural fear that's built into these guys.

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S5: And it's, it's really interesting. And you know, sled dogs

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S5: But what's great is the dogs kind of got back

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S5: You got to love your dogs. Yeah, they run because

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S5: It's a fascinating thing, and I've never housebroken a dog before.

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S5: Somebody texted in here and it's so true. Francis Chen

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S5: Talking love here.

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S7: I'm blown away. How many people love these? This story

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S5: All right, here we go. Uh, Super Bowl Sunday just happened,

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S8: the Super Bowl, the World Cup, the Masters golf tournament,

447
00:25:00,910 --> 00:25:02,590
S8: and examples like that.

448
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:05,949
S3: So Chris Baker, guest this morning, he's the founder of Inc. 180.

449
00:25:06,109 --> 00:25:08,910
S3: It's a ministry here in the Chicago suburbs. You had

450
00:25:08,910 --> 00:25:13,590
S3: just returned from your 10th consecutive Super Bowl. Now you

451
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:16,429
S3: don't go as a super fan with the team gear.

452
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:18,670
S3: Maybe you pick up a little souvenir here and there,

453
00:25:18,670 --> 00:25:21,190
S3: but tell us about the mission that you have when

454
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:22,670
S3: you attend this big event.

455
00:25:22,910 --> 00:25:25,790
S8: There's really three things that we do at the Super Bowl. Um,

456
00:25:25,790 --> 00:25:28,590
S8: we we do our usual job that we do here

457
00:25:28,590 --> 00:25:32,610
S8: in Chicagoland. We remove and cover branding tattoos that were

458
00:25:32,609 --> 00:25:36,170
S8: forced upon trafficking survivors. So I can tell you this

459
00:25:36,170 --> 00:25:38,370
S8: year at the Super Bowl, over a two week period,

460
00:25:38,690 --> 00:25:45,410
S8: we took care of 167 survivors tattoos with 100 129

461
00:25:45,410 --> 00:25:48,250
S8: tattoo removals and 38 tattoo cover ups.

462
00:25:48,290 --> 00:25:48,690
S6: Wow.

463
00:25:48,890 --> 00:25:51,850
S8: Um, so that was the first part of what we did.

464
00:25:52,210 --> 00:25:53,530
S9: Uh, hold on, hold on, hold on.

465
00:25:53,530 --> 00:25:55,489
S5: We gotta stop right there a second. We get you

466
00:25:55,530 --> 00:25:59,610
S5: zoomed past that one, brother. That's. Those are souls.

467
00:25:59,730 --> 00:26:02,650
S8: Yeah, it's my favorite part of it. You know, people

468
00:26:02,650 --> 00:26:04,650
S8: say a lot of times. People. A lot of times

469
00:26:04,650 --> 00:26:06,810
S8: people in the church are not big fans of tattoos,

470
00:26:06,810 --> 00:26:09,969
S8: which I respect that if that's their opinion. But I

471
00:26:10,010 --> 00:26:13,290
S8: really hate tattoos that are forced upon people that mark

472
00:26:13,290 --> 00:26:17,050
S8: them as product. Yeah. And I get an opportunity to

473
00:26:17,090 --> 00:26:21,850
S8: sit quietly and listen to their story, um, hear about

474
00:26:22,050 --> 00:26:25,490
S8: just the horrible things they went through, but more importantly,

475
00:26:25,609 --> 00:26:28,810
S8: what is happening in their life now and try to

476
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:33,750
S8: inject some, some positivity and some some guidance and, um,

477
00:26:34,109 --> 00:26:37,790
S8: you know, first by listening and just taking in their story.

478
00:26:37,790 --> 00:26:39,710
S8: And that's one of the hardest parts of my job.

479
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:42,110
S5: Yeah. Listen, before you get on to two and three,

480
00:26:42,150 --> 00:26:44,070
S5: I want to linger here a moment longer. You must

481
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:46,350
S5: have at least you got a ton of stories from

482
00:26:46,350 --> 00:26:49,149
S5: the last two weeks. Give us one from this, uh,

483
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:51,990
S5: Super Bowl trip that really gripped your heart that you

484
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:52,949
S5: want people to hear.

485
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:57,389
S8: There was one girl in particular, a 15 year old girl. Um,

486
00:26:57,390 --> 00:27:03,190
S8: she had rebelled against her trafficker, and he tattooed some

487
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:08,070
S8: very vulgar words that I won't repeat. Ever. Um, it's

488
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:11,830
S8: not necessary. You can imagine, but, uh, she wanted these

489
00:27:11,869 --> 00:27:16,550
S8: tattoos gone so badly that she heated up a spoon

490
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:18,950
S8: on the stove and burned herself.

491
00:27:18,990 --> 00:27:20,149
S10: Oh, no. No, no.

492
00:27:20,270 --> 00:27:26,710
S8: And so she had these terrible scars on her forearms. And, uh,

493
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:30,130
S8: I used the gift that God gave me to to

494
00:27:30,170 --> 00:27:34,410
S8: do a beautiful flower piece over that, so that she

495
00:27:34,410 --> 00:27:36,290
S8: doesn't have to constantly look at her arm and be

496
00:27:36,290 --> 00:27:40,170
S8: reminded of the scars and those horrible, disgusting words. But

497
00:27:40,170 --> 00:27:43,610
S8: she can now be reminded of the fact that her

498
00:27:43,609 --> 00:27:46,490
S8: life is beautiful and doesn't have to be defined. By

499
00:27:46,530 --> 00:27:48,210
S8: who somebody told her she was.

500
00:27:48,250 --> 00:27:48,650
S10: Wow.

501
00:27:49,090 --> 00:27:53,530
S3: Chris Baker, founder of Inc. 180. You know, people would

502
00:27:53,530 --> 00:27:56,050
S3: probably be curious to know, how do you get linked

503
00:27:56,050 --> 00:27:57,530
S3: up and you don't have to give us details. I

504
00:27:57,530 --> 00:28:00,090
S3: know some of this is is confidential, but how do

505
00:28:00,090 --> 00:28:02,810
S3: people find their way to you? I mean, 100 and

506
00:28:02,810 --> 00:28:06,689
S3: something almost 200 different. I mean, I'm curious. Tell us

507
00:28:06,690 --> 00:28:08,090
S3: a little bit how that works.

508
00:28:08,650 --> 00:28:11,850
S8: Yeah. So we're national partners with FBI, Homeland Security and

509
00:28:11,850 --> 00:28:15,330
S8: the US Attorney's office. So therefore, we're connected to all

510
00:28:15,330 --> 00:28:18,609
S8: the safe houses across the country. Um, and other ministries.

511
00:28:18,609 --> 00:28:21,890
S8: We we've been doing this. This is our 15th year, um,

512
00:28:21,930 --> 00:28:24,810
S8: in ministry. So we've connected really well with a lot

513
00:28:24,810 --> 00:28:28,150
S8: of different ministries across the country. And the word has

514
00:28:28,150 --> 00:28:32,030
S8: gotten out through that, just very grassroots. And it's been great.

515
00:28:32,030 --> 00:28:35,190
S8: So people know who we are and that we're here

516
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:37,030
S8: to help. We do it all for free.

517
00:28:37,470 --> 00:28:39,830
S5: I've never been so slow rolling out three points, but

518
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:41,590
S5: I'm going to linger here on point number one a

519
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:44,190
S5: little bit longer. Have you ever have you ever had

520
00:28:44,190 --> 00:28:47,950
S5: a threat against you from pimps? Anything like that?

521
00:28:48,430 --> 00:28:52,550
S8: Yeah, we've had death threats since 2011, but that doesn't

522
00:28:52,550 --> 00:28:57,630
S8: bother me. I grew up in Los Angeles, so. That's

523
00:28:57,630 --> 00:29:00,070
S8: nothing new to me. And the way I look at

524
00:29:00,070 --> 00:29:02,110
S8: it is if nobody's coming after me, I'm not doing

525
00:29:02,110 --> 00:29:05,710
S8: it right. So it's, uh, we're here to share Jesus

526
00:29:05,710 --> 00:29:09,070
S8: and the peace of Jesus Christ. And if that offends people,

527
00:29:09,070 --> 00:29:09,910
S8: then good.

528
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:10,670
S5: Yeah.

529
00:29:11,070 --> 00:29:13,070
S3: Chris, go ahead and tell us. I know part of

530
00:29:13,070 --> 00:29:15,310
S3: your mission. First part of your mission. You you did

531
00:29:15,310 --> 00:29:18,310
S3: those the cover ups and the removals. Uh, talk about

532
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:20,790
S3: the next two parts of your mission when you go

533
00:29:20,790 --> 00:29:22,070
S3: to these Super Bowls.

534
00:29:22,270 --> 00:29:24,230
S8: Yeah. So the second part is we work with a

535
00:29:24,270 --> 00:29:27,090
S8: great organization called In Our Backyard. Been a partner with

536
00:29:27,090 --> 00:29:30,570
S8: them for years. What they do is really fantastic. They

537
00:29:30,570 --> 00:29:34,330
S8: go and get the, uh, the booklets from the National

538
00:29:34,330 --> 00:29:37,730
S8: Center for Missing and Exploited Children with all the missing posters,

539
00:29:38,130 --> 00:29:41,250
S8: and they put those in convenience stores around the Super

540
00:29:41,250 --> 00:29:45,490
S8: Bowl area. Um, we're talking like 10,000 of these booklets

541
00:29:45,930 --> 00:29:50,330
S8: because pimps, you know, they'll stop at convenience stores and

542
00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:52,490
S8: they'll let their victims go in and use the bathroom

543
00:29:52,490 --> 00:29:55,690
S8: or get a snack or whatever. Um, we also put

544
00:29:55,690 --> 00:30:00,130
S8: up these stickers in the bathrooms with the trafficking hotline. So, um,

545
00:30:00,170 --> 00:30:03,010
S8: trying to get the information out there to the community

546
00:30:03,530 --> 00:30:07,330
S8: on who we're looking for. And we've had kids identified

547
00:30:07,330 --> 00:30:10,450
S8: because these books have been placed in convenience stores for

548
00:30:10,450 --> 00:30:13,570
S8: people to get involved and see that and make reports.

549
00:30:13,970 --> 00:30:15,330
S8: So that was a huge part.

550
00:30:15,370 --> 00:30:18,770
S5: That's big. Okay. Um, what's the third wing here?

551
00:30:19,410 --> 00:30:21,810
S8: Third part is, in my opinion, for me, it's the

552
00:30:21,810 --> 00:30:26,230
S8: hardest part. It's, um, assisting State, local and federal authorities

553
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:29,830
S8: and other nonprofit partners with the actual search for victims

554
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:32,910
S8: at the Super Bowl. Um, we don't get to do

555
00:30:32,910 --> 00:30:36,670
S8: the cool kicking in doors. You know, cops stuff. But, uh,

556
00:30:36,750 --> 00:30:41,030
S8: we provide that front end investigative look. You know, we're

557
00:30:41,030 --> 00:30:46,150
S8: looking at the ads, um, online, the web, the dark web.

558
00:30:46,190 --> 00:30:49,350
S8: And that's probably the hardest part of it. You're seeing

559
00:30:49,790 --> 00:30:53,990
S8: pictures and videos that you don't ever need to see. Um,

560
00:30:54,510 --> 00:30:57,910
S8: you know, we have kids that are missing here. Um,

561
00:30:58,630 --> 00:31:01,590
S8: we're going out. We're looking at it's called the stroll.

562
00:31:01,590 --> 00:31:06,750
S8: So where there's street prostitution going on, there's residential brothels,

563
00:31:06,750 --> 00:31:10,910
S8: there's the massage parlors, the strip clubs, you name it. Um,

564
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:15,710
S8: really the darkest part of humanity. And, um, it's sad,

565
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:19,070
S8: you know, we're we're looking through their social media. It's

566
00:31:19,070 --> 00:31:21,470
S8: so hard. I mean, I'll tell you when when I

567
00:31:21,470 --> 00:31:25,450
S8: was there, I was having Online meetings with my counselor

568
00:31:25,450 --> 00:31:29,370
S8: because you can't unsee what you see. You can't unhear

569
00:31:29,370 --> 00:31:33,330
S8: what you hear. We're listening to jail calls between traffickers

570
00:31:33,330 --> 00:31:36,370
S8: and their victims. Who are these guys are incarcerated and

571
00:31:36,370 --> 00:31:39,650
S8: they're still running their business, and they are vile. And

572
00:31:39,650 --> 00:31:43,130
S8: you get angry and you have to process that to

573
00:31:43,170 --> 00:31:47,250
S8: be successful. And, you know, started that when we were

574
00:31:47,250 --> 00:31:49,770
S8: in the process. But then what we do is we

575
00:31:49,770 --> 00:31:52,090
S8: provide these tips to law enforcement, and they go out

576
00:31:52,090 --> 00:31:56,050
S8: and do the incredible work they've been trained to do. And, and,

577
00:31:56,570 --> 00:31:58,530
S8: you know, make these recoveries.

578
00:31:58,690 --> 00:32:01,170
S5: I was going to say, you must get Intel that

579
00:32:01,170 --> 00:32:05,650
S5: a police officer walking the beat can't possibly get. Don't

580
00:32:05,650 --> 00:32:08,969
S5: you get Intel while you're working on on these girls

581
00:32:08,970 --> 00:32:11,770
S5: and either removing tats or covering them up?

582
00:32:11,810 --> 00:32:15,530
S8: Yeah, absolutely. We're constantly providing information to law enforcement throughout

583
00:32:15,530 --> 00:32:18,050
S8: the day. Uh, I mean, these are long days. I

584
00:32:18,050 --> 00:32:19,330
S8: don't know if you can hear my voice. I've got.

585
00:32:19,370 --> 00:32:21,930
S8: I came home with a wicked case of bronchitis because

586
00:32:22,510 --> 00:32:25,430
S8: we're working like 16 to 18 hours a day. You

587
00:32:25,470 --> 00:32:29,590
S8: wear yourself down to just about nothing. And yeah, we're

588
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:34,150
S8: constantly in this command post with law enforcement giving them information.

589
00:32:34,150 --> 00:32:36,750
S8: In fact, we had we had a partner of ours

590
00:32:36,750 --> 00:32:40,590
S8: that was listening to prison calls, and he heard information

591
00:32:40,910 --> 00:32:43,550
S8: where an inmate was talking to someone on the outside

592
00:32:43,550 --> 00:32:47,030
S8: about the fact that he had murdered somebody, and it

593
00:32:47,030 --> 00:32:49,350
S8: was still an unsolved case. They gave that to the

594
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:52,310
S8: authorities and they went in and boom, tagged him with

595
00:32:52,350 --> 00:32:57,070
S8: more charges. You know, it's these things work. This process works.

596
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:59,910
S8: And we've seen it work and we've been blessed to

597
00:32:59,910 --> 00:33:00,910
S8: be a part of it.

598
00:33:01,310 --> 00:33:05,550
S3: Chris, how does the Lord then kind of heal and

599
00:33:05,550 --> 00:33:07,790
S3: restore you after a trip like this? I mean, what

600
00:33:07,790 --> 00:33:11,470
S3: you're describing is it's hard to even listen to, let

601
00:33:11,470 --> 00:33:13,830
S3: alone I can't even imagine two weeks of that where

602
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:17,190
S3: there's just so much darkness, the physical exhaustion, but just

603
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:20,630
S3: the how much it weighs on your soul. How does

604
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:24,290
S3: the Lord help you through this and then help you

605
00:33:24,290 --> 00:33:26,370
S3: restore you so that you can keep going?

606
00:33:26,970 --> 00:33:29,209
S8: It's very easy. When I get home and I see

607
00:33:29,210 --> 00:33:34,290
S8: my three kids and my wife. Um, because as I

608
00:33:34,770 --> 00:33:38,050
S8: get choked up thinking about it. But as I'm doing this,

609
00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:40,729
S8: I look at these pictures of these kids that we're

610
00:33:40,730 --> 00:33:43,130
S8: looking for and I'm like, man, this could be my kid.

611
00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:48,810
S8: And this is somebody's kid, you know, and I, I, um,

612
00:33:49,010 --> 00:33:53,090
S8: but I take great peace in every single one that

613
00:33:53,090 --> 00:33:57,370
S8: gets recovered. Yeah. And it's one more kid that's not

614
00:33:57,370 --> 00:34:01,170
S8: being assaulted that day. Um, and dealing with this garbage

615
00:34:01,210 --> 00:34:06,170
S8: and just the sickness of humanity. So I find the

616
00:34:06,170 --> 00:34:08,130
S8: peace and the one, not the 99.

617
00:34:09,010 --> 00:34:11,930
S5: All right. Hot dog, you gotta go get some rest today.

618
00:34:11,930 --> 00:34:14,930
S5: But before you go, do you have have you got

619
00:34:14,930 --> 00:34:18,610
S5: your latest tally on how many cover ups and removals

620
00:34:18,610 --> 00:34:22,430
S5: you've done in since since this ministry started. Do you

621
00:34:22,430 --> 00:34:23,430
S5: have a current count?

622
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:27,670
S8: Well, we're well over 10,500 since 2011.

623
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:30,230
S5: Yeah, and here's what you need to know. Boom crew.

624
00:34:30,350 --> 00:34:32,910
S5: You know how much money he gets from those clients

625
00:34:32,910 --> 00:34:38,790
S5: for this work? Zero. And he does it out of

626
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:41,589
S5: the goodness of his heart and the gracious gifts of

627
00:34:41,590 --> 00:34:45,870
S5: people like you. That's how he does it. And I'm

628
00:34:45,870 --> 00:34:48,470
S5: going to ask you to open up your hearts and

629
00:34:48,469 --> 00:34:55,990
S5: pocketbooks to fund one of the most strategic ministries that 99.99%

630
00:34:55,989 --> 00:34:59,950
S5: of us will never be able to do, never be

631
00:34:59,950 --> 00:35:03,710
S5: able to. But we know a man who can. So

632
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:09,350
S5: here's what I want you to do. Text Inc. to (800) 555-7898.

633
00:35:09,350 --> 00:35:12,950
S5: Go find the link on Inc 180. There you go.

634
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:17,189
S5: And drop some shekels in there. A few go a

635
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:17,710
S5: long way.

636
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:20,010
S3: Yeah. You can learn a lot more about this ministry

637
00:35:20,010 --> 00:35:27,610
S3: in ink, ink, ink to 800 555 7898. Test text, ink,

638
00:35:27,730 --> 00:35:32,170
S3: ink to 800 555 7898.

639
00:35:32,210 --> 00:35:32,610
S10: Wow.

640
00:35:33,370 --> 00:35:35,730
S5: That's all I can say. Why does it never get old?

641
00:35:35,730 --> 00:35:37,970
S5: I'll tell you why it's so powerful.

642
00:35:37,969 --> 00:35:38,890
S6: It's so powerful.

643
00:35:38,930 --> 00:35:41,690
S5: It's the grace of God moving through this guy and

644
00:35:41,690 --> 00:35:43,290
S5: his team. It's amazing.

645
00:35:43,730 --> 00:35:47,530
S1: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.

646
00:35:47,770 --> 00:35:51,610
S1: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on

647
00:35:51,610 --> 00:35:52,730
S1: Moody Radio.

648
00:35:52,770 --> 00:35:56,650
S5: Marriage, parenting, family, you name it. Man in that bucket.

649
00:35:56,969 --> 00:36:00,810
S5: There's always a huge response, and that's because it touches

650
00:36:00,810 --> 00:36:02,810
S5: all of us. This is how we got here, folks.

651
00:36:03,770 --> 00:36:09,090
S5: So we got here. We weren't hatched. We actually were birthed.

652
00:36:09,610 --> 00:36:12,970
S5: And then everything's supposed to be uphill from there.

653
00:36:13,890 --> 00:36:15,730
S3: You know, I remember when my son was little and

654
00:36:15,730 --> 00:36:19,710
S3: he was a boy And so he asked, you know,

655
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:22,430
S3: the age old question that kids want to ask at

656
00:36:22,670 --> 00:36:24,790
S3: at some point they want you to explain where babies

657
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:26,870
S3: came from. And so I was trying to explain to

658
00:36:26,910 --> 00:36:29,710
S3: him in good technical terms. And so he looked at

659
00:36:29,710 --> 00:36:33,589
S3: me and my husband. He goes, so you're saying we're chickens?

660
00:36:33,830 --> 00:36:36,790
S3: And I was like, no, that's not at all what

661
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:37,390
S3: I'm saying.

662
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:38,950
S5: Hold it, hold it, hold it.

663
00:36:38,989 --> 00:36:39,910
S6: I think he's got it.

664
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:41,430
S3: That's what he figured out.

665
00:36:41,710 --> 00:36:43,190
S5: If that's what he took away.

666
00:36:43,950 --> 00:36:46,350
S3: So this didn't go quite how we were hoping, but.

667
00:36:46,830 --> 00:36:52,030
S3: So you're saying we're chickens? Yep. That's what I'm saying.

668
00:36:52,070 --> 00:36:52,670
S6: That's it.

669
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:53,710
S3: Henry.

670
00:36:53,790 --> 00:36:56,270
S5: Henry should have put his thumbs in his armpits and

671
00:36:56,270 --> 00:36:58,549
S5: flapped his elbows and go back.

672
00:36:58,910 --> 00:37:00,549
S3: Yeah, we had to. We had to break that one

673
00:37:00,550 --> 00:37:01,670
S3: down one more time.

674
00:37:01,710 --> 00:37:02,310
S6: Yeah, let's.

675
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:03,030
S5: Take that again.

676
00:37:03,070 --> 00:37:04,710
S3: Arrive at another conclusion.

677
00:37:04,750 --> 00:37:05,270
S6: That's so great.

678
00:37:05,590 --> 00:37:08,589
S5: What's that commercial? They bring in a sub. Somebody that.

679
00:37:08,590 --> 00:37:10,870
S6: Says, oh, the backups, the progressive commercial.

680
00:37:11,110 --> 00:37:13,910
S5: Backup. That's when you say, all right, Henry, I took

681
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:15,109
S5: a stab at it. Come on in.

682
00:37:15,110 --> 00:37:15,270
S3: Here.

683
00:37:15,310 --> 00:37:16,089
S4: Yeah, Tap out.

684
00:37:16,130 --> 00:37:17,130
S3: Your turn. We needed a.

685
00:37:17,130 --> 00:37:17,450
S6: Backup.

686
00:37:17,489 --> 00:37:20,690
S2: They did a commercial of that situation with the backups.

687
00:37:20,730 --> 00:37:21,370
S6: Oh, no. I think.

688
00:37:21,410 --> 00:37:22,089
S5: I think I saw.

689
00:37:22,090 --> 00:37:22,529
S6: That. Yeah.

690
00:37:22,570 --> 00:37:24,529
S3: Oh, well, that's what we needed for sure.

691
00:37:24,570 --> 00:37:26,010
S6: Oh. So funny. Very cute.

692
00:37:26,489 --> 00:37:27,890
S5: And the backups are hilarious.

693
00:37:27,969 --> 00:37:28,450
S6: Oh, Mitch.

694
00:37:28,489 --> 00:37:29,410
S5: Mitch Trubisky.

695
00:37:29,810 --> 00:37:30,730
S6: Ordering food.

696
00:37:31,010 --> 00:37:33,009
S5: Which is so self-deprecating.

697
00:37:33,050 --> 00:37:33,370
S6: Yes.

698
00:37:33,370 --> 00:37:33,890
S2: Oh I know they.

699
00:37:33,890 --> 00:37:34,129
S6: Have.

700
00:37:34,290 --> 00:37:34,450
S5: A.

701
00:37:34,450 --> 00:37:35,370
S6: Guy. It's hard.

702
00:37:35,650 --> 00:37:37,650
S5: To be able to say all right.

703
00:37:37,690 --> 00:37:38,050
S6: I've.

704
00:37:38,050 --> 00:37:40,529
S5: Been seconded to a backup role. I might as well

705
00:37:40,530 --> 00:37:42,170
S5: do a backup commercial.

706
00:37:42,210 --> 00:37:43,210
S3: Lean into it.

707
00:37:43,650 --> 00:37:44,370
S6: Lean into it, man.

708
00:37:44,410 --> 00:37:45,009
S4: Exactly.

709
00:37:45,050 --> 00:37:45,450
S6: Yeah.

710
00:37:45,890 --> 00:37:50,490
S5: Yeah. Oh, okay. Um, yeah. Parenting. When you think of parenting, too,

711
00:37:50,610 --> 00:37:55,210
S5: we talk a lot about different parenting styles, but there's

712
00:37:55,210 --> 00:37:59,969
S5: something that Grace based, this great organization has done that

713
00:37:59,969 --> 00:38:05,250
S5: really helps us identify my contention with anything going on

714
00:38:05,250 --> 00:38:09,050
S5: in life, spiritual life, anything. You've got to identify almost

715
00:38:09,050 --> 00:38:11,089
S5: the problem. Pin it down before you can get to

716
00:38:11,090 --> 00:38:12,370
S5: the solution. You know what I mean?

717
00:38:12,410 --> 00:38:14,529
S3: Yeah. And you got to find out. Yeah. What are

718
00:38:14,530 --> 00:38:18,070
S3: we doing wrong and what is grace based parenting really

719
00:38:18,070 --> 00:38:18,750
S3: look like?

720
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:21,989
S5: Yeah, yeah, it's kind of cool. Okay. Uh, Caleb and

721
00:38:21,989 --> 00:38:24,750
S5: John here, it's called finished. And we'll have Cody Kimmel

722
00:38:24,750 --> 00:38:28,470
S5: coming up here. Guys. Buckle up. Get yourself a swig

723
00:38:28,469 --> 00:38:28,910
S5: of water.

724
00:38:29,310 --> 00:38:32,030
S1: Your shot of hope to help you through the day.

725
00:38:32,350 --> 00:38:35,469
S1: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

726
00:38:35,790 --> 00:38:39,790
S5: When you jump into parenting, boy, you learn a lot

727
00:38:39,830 --> 00:38:41,350
S5: in the first go around.

728
00:38:42,430 --> 00:38:46,230
S3: I mean, do you remember the first couple weeks of

729
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:49,630
S3: having your first child? It's a blur. Like you might

730
00:38:49,630 --> 00:38:52,109
S3: not survive it. Like they trust me to take this

731
00:38:52,110 --> 00:38:55,030
S3: little person home and figure this out. And isn't.

732
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:55,750
S5: That amazing?

733
00:38:55,790 --> 00:38:58,830
S3: It's terrifying. I mean, and then you realize that it

734
00:38:58,830 --> 00:39:02,230
S3: doesn't get easier even when you, like, don't have kids

735
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:06,830
S3: who are in diapers or potty training. It actually doesn't

736
00:39:06,830 --> 00:39:10,069
S3: get easier when they're going to the bathroom themselves. It

737
00:39:10,070 --> 00:39:11,109
S3: gets harder.

738
00:39:11,350 --> 00:39:14,930
S5: Yeah. It's crazy. And now I'm watching my daughter, who

739
00:39:14,930 --> 00:39:18,169
S5: gave us our first grandchild, little baby Kate. And I'm like,

740
00:39:18,170 --> 00:39:20,810
S5: oh boy, she's in the thick of it. And it's

741
00:39:20,810 --> 00:39:24,930
S5: awesome to watch. Cody Kimmel with us right now. Cody, uh,

742
00:39:24,930 --> 00:39:29,410
S5: you're big on grace based everything, grace based parenting in particular.

743
00:39:29,450 --> 00:39:33,290
S5: We're drilling down on this morning, and I want you

744
00:39:33,290 --> 00:39:37,650
S5: to do a compare and contrast grace based parenting versus what.

745
00:39:38,690 --> 00:39:43,650
S11: Grace based parenting is all about modeling our parenting after

746
00:39:43,650 --> 00:39:48,650
S11: how God parents us. Uh, it is about getting our

747
00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:50,890
S11: kids the security that they need to know that they

748
00:39:50,930 --> 00:39:52,969
S11: are loved no matter what they do, that they are

749
00:39:52,969 --> 00:39:55,450
S11: secure in their relationship no matter what they do. And

750
00:39:55,489 --> 00:39:58,530
S11: it's about examining our hearts to make sure that we

751
00:39:59,010 --> 00:40:02,410
S11: are aligning ourselves with God and giving them the freedom

752
00:40:02,410 --> 00:40:05,370
S11: that they need to thrive. I think in a conventional

753
00:40:05,370 --> 00:40:08,129
S11: parenting sense, a lot of it is about how do

754
00:40:08,130 --> 00:40:13,549
S11: we either control their performance, how do we maybe root

755
00:40:13,550 --> 00:40:17,270
S11: ourselves in fear to make sure we're trying to overprotect

756
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:21,589
S11: our kids away from the world? Or sometimes it's just

757
00:40:21,630 --> 00:40:23,509
S11: we really don't know what we're doing, and we feel

758
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:25,589
S11: like we don't have a plan for how we're going

759
00:40:25,590 --> 00:40:27,430
S11: about it. We're kind of winging it all the time.

760
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:30,430
S11: So I would say that's the biggest contrast between grace

761
00:40:30,430 --> 00:40:34,110
S11: based parenting and fear based parenting, or performance driven parenting,

762
00:40:34,110 --> 00:40:35,910
S11: or a lot of the other models out there.

763
00:40:35,950 --> 00:40:38,989
S3: Cody Kimmel is executive director of Grace Based Families, a

764
00:40:38,989 --> 00:40:43,509
S3: ministry committed to encouraging, educating and equipping families for every

765
00:40:43,550 --> 00:40:46,110
S3: age and stage of life. So those are the faulty

766
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:50,669
S3: blueprints you mentioned. Fear based. Performance based. What are some

767
00:40:50,670 --> 00:40:53,630
S3: of the other faulty blueprints that can drive parenting?

768
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:59,830
S11: Yeah, I think it's it's this idea, um, maybe that

769
00:41:00,350 --> 00:41:03,190
S11: we're maybe we're overreacting. I think what I see in

770
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:07,910
S11: a lot of the younger generations of parents parenting is, uh,

771
00:41:07,950 --> 00:41:10,830
S11: maybe they were raised in a very legalistic or very

772
00:41:10,830 --> 00:41:13,450
S11: fear driven home. And so they want to go the

773
00:41:13,450 --> 00:41:17,009
S11: other way and kind of, let's say, let them kind

774
00:41:17,010 --> 00:41:20,569
S11: of do whatever they want. And there's no guardrails. We're

775
00:41:20,610 --> 00:41:23,290
S11: their friends. Uh, we want to just kind of set

776
00:41:23,290 --> 00:41:25,450
S11: them up to do whatever we want. And then we

777
00:41:25,450 --> 00:41:29,530
S11: realize that grace is not an absence of discipline. Grace

778
00:41:29,530 --> 00:41:33,290
S11: is not an absence of rules or boundaries. When God

779
00:41:33,290 --> 00:41:36,930
S11: gives us grace as he parents us and disciples us,

780
00:41:36,930 --> 00:41:40,129
S11: he's also giving us really real tools so that that's

781
00:41:40,170 --> 00:41:42,009
S11: actually one of the more unique ones that I think

782
00:41:42,010 --> 00:41:45,210
S11: I see coming up now is this faulty blueprint of, hey,

783
00:41:45,250 --> 00:41:48,489
S11: let's just do what you want, have fun. And that

784
00:41:48,489 --> 00:41:51,130
S11: really sets kids up for failure, you know?

785
00:41:51,530 --> 00:41:54,650
S5: Great observation. Cody, I got to tell you. And here's why.

786
00:41:55,730 --> 00:41:58,210
S5: I talked with a man named Tim Kimmel for a

787
00:41:58,210 --> 00:41:58,969
S5: lot of years.

788
00:41:59,410 --> 00:42:00,410
S3: Do you know him?

789
00:42:01,010 --> 00:42:02,490
S11: I've heard of him. Uh.

790
00:42:03,250 --> 00:42:04,570
S5: He's a great space dude.

791
00:42:04,650 --> 00:42:05,490
S11: Similar name.

792
00:42:05,650 --> 00:42:05,930
S6: But.

793
00:42:05,930 --> 00:42:09,969
S5: But what? What? Your dad, who founded, I think, grace based. Um.

794
00:42:10,110 --> 00:42:14,310
S5: what your dad championed was. And the the biggest hurdle

795
00:42:14,310 --> 00:42:18,390
S5: we were overcoming, probably up until maybe ten, 15, 20

796
00:42:18,430 --> 00:42:24,430
S5: years ago, was a legalistic follow the rules. Christianity works

797
00:42:24,430 --> 00:42:26,549
S5: this way. This is what you say. This is what

798
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:30,670
S5: you don't say. And that boy we needed help with.

799
00:42:30,750 --> 00:42:34,630
S5: So your perspective and your data points say no. We've

800
00:42:34,670 --> 00:42:37,070
S5: swung the pendulum and now we've gone the other way.

801
00:42:37,070 --> 00:42:38,110
S5: That's what you're saying?

802
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:39,390
S6: Yeah.

803
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:42,350
S11: I mean, obviously there are still a lot of legalism.

804
00:42:42,350 --> 00:42:44,790
S11: There is still a lot of parenting that falls within

805
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:48,910
S11: that realm. But what we're seeing is there's kind of

806
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:52,110
S11: been this pendulum swing and correction towards, I guess another

807
00:42:52,110 --> 00:42:55,790
S11: way of putting it is license, where instead of, uh,

808
00:42:55,950 --> 00:42:59,790
S11: maybe Overparenting or Overparenting in the wrong ways, we are

809
00:42:59,790 --> 00:43:04,310
S11: under parenting and the effect is still the same. Ultimately,

810
00:43:04,310 --> 00:43:09,410
S11: kids don't feel like they have a safe guide Coming

811
00:43:09,410 --> 00:43:12,730
S11: through life. And so that that's kind of what I'm seeing.

812
00:43:13,410 --> 00:43:16,410
S3: Cody Kimmel, our guest right now with grace based families.

813
00:43:16,650 --> 00:43:20,410
S3: You know, when we think about the previous generations of parenting,

814
00:43:20,450 --> 00:43:26,330
S3: you know, parents who are younger often hear from their parents. Well,

815
00:43:26,330 --> 00:43:29,690
S3: when you were little, like, you know, it's that whole

816
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:32,969
S3: conversation of you're trying to give instructions about, this is

817
00:43:32,969 --> 00:43:35,969
S3: what needs to happen, and it has to happen at

818
00:43:35,969 --> 00:43:39,970
S3: this time. And many grandparents get frustrated that this younger

819
00:43:39,969 --> 00:43:44,250
S3: generation of parents has overcomplicated everything with all of their

820
00:43:44,250 --> 00:43:49,129
S3: schedules and their demands and their requests, oftentimes with our

821
00:43:49,130 --> 00:43:52,650
S3: good intentions. Is that factor in at all kind of

822
00:43:52,690 --> 00:43:55,969
S3: a generational difference of this is how we used to

823
00:43:55,969 --> 00:43:58,770
S3: do it. And you turned out just fine. Versus no,

824
00:43:58,770 --> 00:44:00,489
S3: we want to chart a new path.

825
00:44:01,489 --> 00:44:05,530
S11: Yes. And in some ways there's going to be a natural, uh,

826
00:44:05,770 --> 00:44:11,870
S11: transition generationally between things. And oftentimes maybe there is elements

827
00:44:11,870 --> 00:44:15,069
S11: of truth in the correction. And then it goes way

828
00:44:15,070 --> 00:44:19,550
S11: too far. And what's really interesting is there's obviously an intent.

829
00:44:19,790 --> 00:44:22,630
S11: I don't I've never met a parent that doesn't intend

830
00:44:22,670 --> 00:44:26,670
S11: to try to do a good job. And the challenge

831
00:44:26,670 --> 00:44:29,830
S11: is where we put a lot of that energy, you know,

832
00:44:29,870 --> 00:44:33,870
S11: with grace based parenting. One of the evidences of that

833
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:38,109
S11: is freedom, that there is a lot of freedom in parenting,

834
00:44:38,110 --> 00:44:40,630
S11: that there's a lot of freedom that our kids can experience.

835
00:44:40,750 --> 00:44:45,390
S11: And so where there's maybe an under parenting in some areas,

836
00:44:45,390 --> 00:44:47,710
S11: there can then be an overparenting in others where we

837
00:44:47,710 --> 00:44:53,190
S11: overschedule we over, um, control different outcomes. We try to

838
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:55,950
S11: control their school outcomes, we try to control their sports outcomes,

839
00:44:55,950 --> 00:44:58,509
S11: we try to control their hobbies and things like that.

840
00:44:58,510 --> 00:45:01,430
S11: And that doesn't really give set kids up to thrive.

841
00:45:01,430 --> 00:45:06,930
S11: And so in some ways, there is this wisdom behind how, Yeah,

842
00:45:06,969 --> 00:45:11,169
S11: kids can do well without us kind of hovering and

843
00:45:11,170 --> 00:45:13,890
S11: coming in and doing that stuff. So it's a really

844
00:45:13,890 --> 00:45:15,170
S11: great observation. Ali.

845
00:45:15,890 --> 00:45:18,969
S5: It's interesting. Cody. Uh, when we get back, we're going

846
00:45:18,969 --> 00:45:20,930
S5: to take a quick break here. I want some stories

847
00:45:20,930 --> 00:45:24,130
S5: along these lines, but I love this compare and contrast.

848
00:45:24,170 --> 00:45:28,609
S5: You might think we might think, Ali, freedom is license.

849
00:45:28,650 --> 00:45:32,650
S5: License is freedom. But that's not the case. And we

850
00:45:32,690 --> 00:45:35,930
S5: find that in Scripture. How does that work today? Let's

851
00:45:35,930 --> 00:45:39,010
S5: get some real stories and then some hot tips with

852
00:45:39,010 --> 00:45:40,330
S5: Cody Kimmel straight ahead.

853
00:45:40,810 --> 00:45:43,850
S1: He's a sports fanatic with a stat for anything you

854
00:45:43,850 --> 00:45:48,090
S1: can think of. Young Thunder is in the crew. It's

855
00:45:48,090 --> 00:45:50,330
S1: curling crew on Moody Radio.

856
00:45:50,570 --> 00:45:53,650
S5: With us right now, Cody Kimmel from Grace based families.

857
00:45:53,650 --> 00:45:57,250
S5: And Cody, I want I want us to grab some stories.

858
00:45:57,290 --> 00:46:00,130
S5: What's on your heart? What's it look like when you

859
00:46:00,170 --> 00:46:03,210
S5: don't have fear based and you don't have performance based,

860
00:46:03,210 --> 00:46:06,670
S5: but you've really got a grace based parenting angle illustrate

861
00:46:06,670 --> 00:46:07,350
S5: it for us.

862
00:46:07,630 --> 00:46:10,069
S11: You know, one of the things that we are in

863
00:46:10,070 --> 00:46:12,189
S11: the middle of going through right now, and I think

864
00:46:12,190 --> 00:46:13,790
S11: a lot of parents are going through, is how do

865
00:46:13,790 --> 00:46:17,190
S11: we handle technology with our kids? You know, my two

866
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:21,790
S11: older boys are, um, ones in high school, ones in

867
00:46:21,790 --> 00:46:25,069
S11: junior high. They're navigating what a phone looks like and

868
00:46:25,070 --> 00:46:28,230
S11: things like that. And I think that that's one of

869
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:32,270
S11: those areas where you can go too far one way

870
00:46:32,270 --> 00:46:34,989
S11: and give a lot of license and not recognize that

871
00:46:34,989 --> 00:46:39,270
S11: this is a a coaching thing that they need help with.

872
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:41,590
S11: But then you can also go the other way and

873
00:46:41,870 --> 00:46:44,830
S11: kind of pretend like technology is not something that they're

874
00:46:44,830 --> 00:46:48,630
S11: going to deal with when they're launched over protect, over guard.

875
00:46:48,830 --> 00:46:51,830
S11: And when they finally get the freedom on their own,

876
00:46:51,870 --> 00:46:54,509
S11: they have no equipping of how they do that. And

877
00:46:54,510 --> 00:46:57,189
S11: so for me, that's that's one of the real things

878
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:59,150
S11: that we're going through is how do we walk alongside

879
00:46:59,150 --> 00:47:02,630
S11: them to where we set them up for success long term,

880
00:47:02,750 --> 00:47:07,290
S11: while still giving them enough parameters in in the immediate

881
00:47:07,290 --> 00:47:11,050
S11: reality to guard them from things that are genuinely not

882
00:47:11,050 --> 00:47:12,770
S11: ready for Cody.

883
00:47:12,810 --> 00:47:15,969
S3: Talk about the Four Freedoms. What are the four freedoms

884
00:47:15,969 --> 00:47:18,569
S3: that we need to be aiming for in our parenting?

885
00:47:18,570 --> 00:47:19,730
S3: Grace based parenting.

886
00:47:20,050 --> 00:47:23,210
S11: We want our kids for one to be. Feel free

887
00:47:23,210 --> 00:47:25,930
S11: to be different. Uh, we want to give them all.

888
00:47:25,930 --> 00:47:31,170
S11: Kids are unique. They are, uh, sometimes annoyingly unique, and

889
00:47:31,170 --> 00:47:34,330
S11: we need to give them the freedom for that because, uh,

890
00:47:34,370 --> 00:47:36,930
S11: God gives us the freedom to be different. Uh, the

891
00:47:36,930 --> 00:47:40,930
S11: next one is the freedom to be vulnerable. All kids

892
00:47:40,930 --> 00:47:43,490
S11: are vulnerable. All kids are going through this world feeling

893
00:47:43,489 --> 00:47:46,850
S11: big emotions, feeling, uh, fear and other things like that.

894
00:47:46,850 --> 00:47:48,569
S11: And we need to be the safe place for them

895
00:47:48,570 --> 00:47:52,850
S11: to let that fear out, let that vulnerability out with us. Um,

896
00:47:52,890 --> 00:47:55,330
S11: we want to give the kids freedom. To be candid.

897
00:47:55,489 --> 00:47:57,689
S11: The truth is they need to be able to speak

898
00:47:57,690 --> 00:48:01,609
S11: into our mistakes without fear of repercussions. Uh, they need

899
00:48:01,610 --> 00:48:03,750
S11: to be able to talk to us when we are

900
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:06,230
S11: messing up and not be afraid of that because God

901
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:08,990
S11: gives us that freedom to, uh, when we can come

902
00:48:08,989 --> 00:48:12,470
S11: before him with honest candor. And the last is kids

903
00:48:12,469 --> 00:48:14,270
S11: need the freedom to make mistakes. You know, one of

904
00:48:14,270 --> 00:48:17,509
S11: the things that we talk about all the time is

905
00:48:17,630 --> 00:48:21,069
S11: that kids are really bad at being adults. And the

906
00:48:21,070 --> 00:48:24,950
S11: expectation for them to become be, act like adults is

907
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:27,230
S11: unfair to them. And one of the best ways to

908
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:29,870
S11: learn how to do that is to make mistakes. And

909
00:48:29,870 --> 00:48:32,310
S11: I would much rather my kids make mistakes in a

910
00:48:32,310 --> 00:48:35,509
S11: gracious home under my roof, where I can walk alongside

911
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:38,109
S11: them and help them learn from those mistakes than when

912
00:48:38,110 --> 00:48:39,270
S11: they're out on their own.

913
00:48:40,030 --> 00:48:43,910
S5: You know, I remember distinctly embarrassing my mom and dad

914
00:48:43,950 --> 00:48:47,550
S5: on an occasion or two or a dozen.

915
00:48:47,590 --> 00:48:49,670
S11: I don't know any anything about that.

916
00:48:49,710 --> 00:48:50,310
S6: Yeah.

917
00:48:50,350 --> 00:48:51,109
S11: And do that.

918
00:48:51,150 --> 00:48:54,870
S5: Yeah. Cody? Yeah. That's great. Your dad's got a few stories. Uh,

919
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:58,710
S5: but but the funny thing about that is that, you know,

920
00:48:58,750 --> 00:49:01,910
S5: particularly with my dad, you know, he gave me a

921
00:49:02,050 --> 00:49:04,250
S5: lot of grace for that, and I'm glad I didn't

922
00:49:04,250 --> 00:49:08,730
S5: feel browbeaten, uh, for things that that came up that

923
00:49:08,770 --> 00:49:14,129
S5: I remember one time in particular, uh, I said something

924
00:49:14,130 --> 00:49:19,090
S5: that was kind of like family insider information, and it was,

925
00:49:19,489 --> 00:49:22,330
S5: you know, it's just stuff that families talk about. And

926
00:49:22,330 --> 00:49:25,530
S5: I just hung it out there at a at a

927
00:49:25,610 --> 00:49:31,210
S5: Thanksgiving meal with a bunch of friends. And, you know,

928
00:49:31,250 --> 00:49:34,610
S5: my dad, he didn't even get me in midstream after

929
00:49:34,610 --> 00:49:37,290
S5: the party was over. He said, you know what, son?

930
00:49:37,890 --> 00:49:41,330
S5: And he gave me some caution on doing that going forward.

931
00:49:41,690 --> 00:49:44,330
S5: And I died a little bit, but I didn't run

932
00:49:44,330 --> 00:49:48,049
S5: afraid of my dad. And I'm a big champion of

933
00:49:48,050 --> 00:49:50,170
S5: my dad around here. Ali knows that. Oh, you got

934
00:49:50,170 --> 00:49:54,089
S5: a lot of things right. But it's it's hard. It

935
00:49:54,090 --> 00:49:57,810
S5: seems to me there needs to be. You can't be

936
00:49:57,810 --> 00:50:01,270
S5: a grace based mom, dad, grandma and grandpa if you're

937
00:50:01,270 --> 00:50:04,190
S5: not experiencing the grace of God yourself. Cody.

938
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:09,470
S11: Amen. Amen. Totally agree with that. You know it. That's

939
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:13,990
S11: obviously how all of this is rooted. Uh, we experience grace.

940
00:50:14,030 --> 00:50:18,070
S11: You know, anytime I'm. I am facing a parenting challenge

941
00:50:18,070 --> 00:50:20,950
S11: where I want to react a certain way or do

942
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:23,950
S11: a certain thing. I have to train myself to ask,

943
00:50:23,950 --> 00:50:27,030
S11: how is God dealing with me when I do things

944
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:30,790
S11: like this? How is God reacting to me? And the

945
00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:36,029
S11: answer is always kindness, love, patience. He has given me

946
00:50:36,030 --> 00:50:38,989
S11: a gift that I don't deserve so that I can

947
00:50:38,989 --> 00:50:42,469
S11: have a life that I couldn't have earned. And that's

948
00:50:42,469 --> 00:50:45,109
S11: the beauty of what we can do with our kids

949
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:47,149
S11: when we are rooted in that. But but it is

950
00:50:47,150 --> 00:50:48,989
S11: really hard to give that to our kids when we

951
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:50,149
S11: are not rooted in that.

952
00:50:50,190 --> 00:50:53,549
S3: You know, when we think about a parenting goal, I

953
00:50:53,550 --> 00:50:56,229
S3: think at every stage of life, whether you have a

954
00:50:56,270 --> 00:50:59,430
S3: newborn all the way up to you have a grandchildren

955
00:50:59,430 --> 00:51:04,140
S3: and great grandchildren. We want the best for our children,

956
00:51:04,140 --> 00:51:07,780
S3: whether they are 4 or 40. But what is a

957
00:51:07,820 --> 00:51:10,780
S3: godly mission beyond just. I want them to be happy.

958
00:51:10,780 --> 00:51:14,620
S3: I want them to be successful, even I want them

959
00:51:14,620 --> 00:51:17,060
S3: to love the Lord. Are we missing something in what

960
00:51:17,060 --> 00:51:18,860
S3: we're aiming kids for?

961
00:51:19,739 --> 00:51:22,020
S11: It's a great question. Uh, one of the things we

962
00:51:22,020 --> 00:51:24,020
S11: talk about is we want to aim our kids towards

963
00:51:24,020 --> 00:51:27,940
S11: true greatness. Um, and, and when you actually look at

964
00:51:27,980 --> 00:51:32,660
S11: what God wants for kids versus what obviously what, what

965
00:51:32,700 --> 00:51:36,299
S11: oftentimes the world would deem as success, they're very much

966
00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:39,100
S11: so not aligned. You know, what we want our kids

967
00:51:39,100 --> 00:51:40,540
S11: to have is, for one, we want them to have

968
00:51:40,540 --> 00:51:43,419
S11: a humble heart. Uh, we want them to have a

969
00:51:43,420 --> 00:51:47,060
S11: generous heart, a grateful heart, and ultimately a servant's heart,

970
00:51:47,060 --> 00:51:51,299
S11: because those are the kinds of things that God cares about. Um, so, yes,

971
00:51:51,300 --> 00:51:52,980
S11: we want them to love the Lord. We want them

972
00:51:52,980 --> 00:51:54,940
S11: to succeed. I don't think it's wrong for a parent

973
00:51:54,940 --> 00:51:58,340
S11: to want their kids to succeed, but what success looks

974
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,000
S11: like to God is very different from what success can

975
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,040
S11: look like for the world. And the beautiful thing is,

976
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,480
S11: if we are aiming our kids towards true greatness, which is,

977
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,240
S11: you know, a heart that loves the Lord, that wants

978
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,760
S11: to pour that love out on the people around them,

979
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,800
S11: that has is humble, that is grateful, that is generous,

980
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,080
S11: and that is a servant's heart. What's amazing is oftentimes

981
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,279
S11: success follows that because who wouldn't want to work with

982
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,480
S11: a person who's like that? Who wouldn't want to be

983
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,359
S11: married to a person who's like that? Who wouldn't want

984
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,240
S11: to be a friend to a person who's like that?

985
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,600
S11: I think we we end up getting a lot of

986
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,400
S11: the other things that we're hoping for, for our kids

987
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,000
S11: by aiming them towards the things that God cares about.

988
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,759
S5: Cody, this is powerful stuff. And boom, crew, we've got

989
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,560
S5: a treat for you. And I mean, this is a

990
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,960
S5: big treat. There is no paywall. There are ten videos

991
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,960
S5: and other content on the blueprints pathway from Grace base.

992
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,560
S5: That is going to give you a bird's eye view

993
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,700
S5: of why parenting is hard. Um, the foundation, the floor

994
00:52:57,739 --> 00:53:01,460
S5: plan framing the roof, all the elements of building a

995
00:53:01,500 --> 00:53:06,540
S5: grace based environment home where kids grandkids will thrive. I

996
00:53:06,540 --> 00:53:09,620
S5: want you to check this out. And boy, this is

997
00:53:09,620 --> 00:53:10,820
S5: going to fly out the door here.

998
00:53:11,140 --> 00:53:12,860
S3: Yeah, just text Grace and we will get you to

999
00:53:12,860 --> 00:53:16,580
S3: the website and specifically to this blueprints pathway, these videos

1000
00:53:16,580 --> 00:53:18,660
S3: that are available to you on their website, just text

1001
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:26,540
S3: Grace to 800 555 7898. Grace to (800) 555-7898.

1002
00:53:26,580 --> 00:53:28,339
S5: We got a cool guest coming up here in just

1003
00:53:28,340 --> 00:53:28,740
S5: a moment.

1004
00:53:29,060 --> 00:53:33,500
S3: Yep. One of your mentors, Doctor Robert Lewis on Chivalry

1005
00:53:33,500 --> 00:53:34,100
S3: coming up.

1006
00:53:34,260 --> 00:53:38,980
S1: She's a choreographer extraordinaire and everything is Greek to her.

1007
00:53:39,260 --> 00:53:43,060
S1: Super dye is in the crew. It's Carl and crew

1008
00:53:43,060 --> 00:53:44,460
S1: on Moody Radio.

1009
00:53:44,500 --> 00:53:46,420
S5: You know, I had a man tell me one time

1010
00:53:46,820 --> 00:53:48,779
S5: to know the will of God. You can read the

1011
00:53:48,780 --> 00:53:51,060
S5: book to know the way of God, to get to

1012
00:53:51,100 --> 00:53:53,580
S5: the will of God. You got to read a little deeper.

1013
00:53:54,180 --> 00:53:56,020
S5: The same thing is true with vision. You can get

1014
00:53:56,020 --> 00:53:59,799
S5: a vision of manhood and you can hear it talked about.

1015
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,320
S5: You can have a grand idea of what could be

1016
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,480
S5: out there, but without a strategy, we're never going to

1017
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,640
S5: get there. What if the better man that God has

1018
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:14,480
S5: designed you to be was within reach? It is. Doctor

1019
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:18,359
S5: Robert Lewis is with us right now. It's fascinating, isn't it, Robert? We.

1020
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,839
S5: I think we can get a vision for biblical, authentic

1021
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,440
S5: manhood and get a rousing sense in our heart. But

1022
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,399
S5: then we got to do something with that. We need

1023
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,080
S5: a strategy, don't we, my friend?

1024
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,520
S12: Absolutely. Because I think today, because of the breakdown of

1025
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:38,440
S12: the home. Most young men moving into young adulthood walk

1026
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,200
S12: into a big fog and guess their way through manhood.

1027
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,480
S3: Robert Lewis with us right now he is a pastor, speaker, author,

1028
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,960
S3: founding partner of Better Man Ministries. You know, you you

1029
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,960
S3: have a quote on your website. You cannot become what

1030
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:56,260
S3: you cannot define. For so many men. The messages are

1031
00:54:56,460 --> 00:54:59,580
S3: very mixed as to what even it looks like to

1032
00:54:59,620 --> 00:55:03,100
S3: be a strong man. You don't want toxic masculinity, but

1033
00:55:03,100 --> 00:55:05,580
S3: you don't want to be passive. You want to pursue

1034
00:55:05,620 --> 00:55:09,259
S3: a woman, but you don't want to be intimidating or

1035
00:55:09,260 --> 00:55:12,060
S3: make her think that she's diminished in some in some way.

1036
00:55:12,060 --> 00:55:14,620
S3: It's a it's a tough landscape to navigate.

1037
00:55:14,860 --> 00:55:17,900
S12: Well, it's gotten tougher in our day because when we

1038
00:55:17,900 --> 00:55:21,299
S12: remove more traditional roles and that kind of thing, and

1039
00:55:21,300 --> 00:55:24,060
S12: it's kind of every man for himself. Uh, a lot

1040
00:55:24,100 --> 00:55:26,900
S12: of men do not look to other men for help

1041
00:55:26,900 --> 00:55:29,700
S12: in their manhood. They think they should know it. So

1042
00:55:29,700 --> 00:55:32,940
S12: they try to guess their life and their manhood into

1043
00:55:32,940 --> 00:55:38,220
S12: the future. And oftentimes those hit tragic, hurtful, and sometimes

1044
00:55:38,219 --> 00:55:39,700
S12: even deadly dead ends.

1045
00:55:39,860 --> 00:55:42,380
S5: Yeah. You know, it's interesting, Robert, I was with 500

1046
00:55:42,380 --> 00:55:45,060
S5: men in Arizona, and I saw a common thread again

1047
00:55:45,540 --> 00:55:49,340
S5: that I see over and over. Sometimes those tragic dead

1048
00:55:49,380 --> 00:55:53,180
S5: ends are God's dinner bell to redeem something that has

1049
00:55:53,180 --> 00:55:55,440
S5: been wasted. Tell us about that.

1050
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,399
S12: One of the things that I'm so excited about, what

1051
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,400
S12: I'm doing and working with younger men is the fact

1052
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:05,479
S12: that there's a huge hunger out there, but you have

1053
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:10,200
S12: to have someone that a younger man respects that starts

1054
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,920
S12: speaking into his life. And if he takes the time

1055
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:17,040
S12: to do that and he's genuine in his outreach. One

1056
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:18,960
S12: of the great things about the day in which we

1057
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:23,000
S12: live is younger men want to learn, but they need

1058
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,600
S12: older men just to initiate towards them. And that's what

1059
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,120
S12: we've seen with better men using older men to reach

1060
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:33,160
S12: younger men. But there's a tremendous hunger of young men

1061
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:37,320
S12: to help me think through this, because inside they know

1062
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,640
S12: that they don't know, but they just don't want other

1063
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,480
S12: men to know that they don't know.

1064
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:42,160
S6: Yeah.

1065
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:47,000
S3: You know, there's an insecurity, I think, in this generation

1066
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,120
S3: of men. I saw this I saw this funny video, Robert,

1067
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,219
S3: and it was it was talking about toxic masculinity. And

1068
00:56:53,219 --> 00:56:56,620
S3: they said the difference from, like, my dad's toxic masculinity

1069
00:56:56,660 --> 00:56:58,739
S3: was that my dad and this is they were just

1070
00:56:58,739 --> 00:57:00,860
S3: being honest. They said my dad could punch a wall,

1071
00:57:00,860 --> 00:57:03,620
S3: but he could fix it. They said this generation's toxic

1072
00:57:03,620 --> 00:57:06,500
S3: masculinity punches a wall in anger, but then has to

1073
00:57:06,500 --> 00:57:09,100
S3: call somebody else to fix it because they never learned how.

1074
00:57:09,580 --> 00:57:10,460
S3: So there's this.

1075
00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:10,900
S6: Sense.

1076
00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:13,459
S3: Of like, I want to break this cycle. I don't

1077
00:57:13,460 --> 00:57:15,460
S3: want this anger, I don't want this rage. But at

1078
00:57:15,460 --> 00:57:17,979
S3: the same time, I don't feel equipped to do some

1079
00:57:17,980 --> 00:57:21,180
S3: of the things that my dad's generation could do. So

1080
00:57:21,220 --> 00:57:23,580
S3: I feel less of a man because I can't do

1081
00:57:23,580 --> 00:57:26,060
S3: some of those things. You get where I'm going with this.

1082
00:57:26,260 --> 00:57:29,740
S12: Just think how imprisoning that is. If you don't know

1083
00:57:29,740 --> 00:57:32,620
S12: what to do, and you don't even know how to

1084
00:57:32,620 --> 00:57:35,260
S12: fight your way out of it, just kind of sit there.

1085
00:57:35,260 --> 00:57:39,540
S12: And that's why we see mental health issues, depression, addiction,

1086
00:57:39,820 --> 00:57:43,380
S12: all kinds of those things just skyrocketing among young men.

1087
00:57:43,580 --> 00:57:47,500
S12: I mean, we use the George Barna Barna organization to

1088
00:57:47,540 --> 00:57:50,860
S12: do a national survey with young men just to see

1089
00:57:50,860 --> 00:57:53,880
S12: where they are. Men under 40. And I remember they

1090
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:58,840
S12: came back and said, this is the loneliest, most disconnected

1091
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:03,760
S12: generation of young men in history. And it's very it's

1092
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:08,520
S12: not just toxic to society. It's very toxic to them.

1093
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:13,640
S12: And a lot of health issues are escalating with young

1094
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,880
S12: men because they don't know what to do. They're just

1095
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:18,760
S12: in I call it the manhood fog.

1096
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:19,600
S6: Yeah.

1097
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,400
S5: You might be in this fog right now or wanting

1098
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,600
S5: to help someone get out. You're in a good place.

1099
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:29,760
S5: Coming up with doctor Robert Lewis. Credible author, great mentor,

1100
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,800
S5: a mentor of mine for a number of years and

1101
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,520
S5: still to this day. And we're going to tackle this.

1102
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,720
S5: How do we know we're in the fog and how

1103
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,480
S5: do we get out? Straight ahead with Robert Lewis.

1104
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:44,600
S1: Standing on the rock each and every day. You're listening

1105
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:45,880
S1: to Carl and crew.

1106
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,200
S5: It's called the Fog. So says Robert Lewis. We get

1107
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:53,100
S5: into this fog of real manhood, wondering what is it?

1108
00:58:53,460 --> 00:58:55,540
S5: How do we walk forward? A lot of what we

1109
00:58:55,540 --> 00:58:58,380
S5: learned in manhood. Robert was learned in the locker room.

1110
00:58:58,380 --> 00:59:00,460
S5: That didn't work. And a lot of what we're learning

1111
00:59:00,500 --> 00:59:03,380
S5: today is even less than that. There's so much, as

1112
00:59:03,380 --> 00:59:06,820
S5: you just cited, loneliness and despair. And I want to

1113
00:59:06,820 --> 00:59:09,460
S5: give you a scenario here and just speak to this scenario.

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S5: I've been mentoring a man at one of our campuses

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S5: here in Chicago, and it's been fascinating because he is

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S5: on the proverbial treadmill. Sin. Shame. Repent. Repeat. And there's

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S5: a voice going on in his head that says, I

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S5: can't do it. What do you say to that man?

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S12: Well, one of the kind of openings for young men

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S12: that I do a lot is to get a group

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S12: of young men together and just sit down for an evening,

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S12: and we ask them to tell their story. And by

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S12: telling their story, what I mean by that is to

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00:59:43,940 --> 00:59:46,460
S12: draw out a picture of the family you grew up in,

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S12: not necessarily the one you were born into, because a

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00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,040
S12: lot of families change in those early days. But the

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S12: one you grew up in and then tell us what

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00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,920
S12: role you played in that family and then tell us

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S12: about the relationship with your dad and what was something

1130
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S12: you really learned that helped you today? But what's interesting,

1131
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,480
S12: most men have never opened up and told other men

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S12: their story, and they start realizing how lost they are.

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S12: And many of them with no dad or no instruction

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S12: from dad. But the big winner is they're being honest

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S12: with one another, and they're in a community of young

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S12: men where they can talk about it. And all of

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01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,800
S12: a sudden they realize, this feels good, this feels good,

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S12: and it's the start of that community that is the

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S12: opening to a healthy manhood. Because healthy manhood requires first

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S12: a safe community and then biblical clarity.

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S5: Okay, let's spike that for a second here. So you're

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S5: saying a lot of the solution for this isolation and

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S5: these cycles of despair and wanting to get out, can't

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S5: get out is just the lack of others to walk

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S5: this road with.

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S12: That's right. To open up and just talk about what's

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S12: going on inside of me. It's just a huge pressure

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S12: relief valve when you're with other safe men. It could

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S12: be two. It could be three. It could be like

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S12: in the case of the other night with my group

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S12: of young men, it was ten of us. We're teaching.

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S12: We're just talking and sharing where we came from to

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S12: try to connect the dots of where we are and

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S12: then talk about what do you need? So it's unveiling

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S12: the past, cracking the lid, being honest and in that community,

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S12: being open to say, okay, here's where I am. I've

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S12: never had a relationship with my dad or just went

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S12: through a divorce, or I'm in this addiction or I'm

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S12: struggling with this issue. But I've discovered tonight there are

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S12: other guys around the table who have similar stories who

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S12: can identify with me. And so it sets the table

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01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,520
S12: to what do we do? And I always say, hey,

1163
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,320
S12: the best thing to do is look for some enduring

1164
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:01,040
S12: wisdom in the Bible is the greatest source of enduring wisdom.

1165
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S12: So let's talk about what the Bible has to say.

1166
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:07,920
S12: So into that community of chaos, we bring biblical clarity

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S12: that suddenly brings these ahas that I've seen change men's lives.

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S12: As you know, Carl, for now, 35 years.

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S3: Doctor Robert Lewis, our guest right now, you have a

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S3: passion to make this more accessible than ever. What you're

1171
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S3: talking about to actually become a reality. You've had now

1172
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S3: 500,000 men, 10,000 churches taking part in these better man teachings.

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S3: Explain what you're offering up for free.

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S12: Well, what we did is about four years ago, some

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S12: men that I was close to down in Dallas, Texas,

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01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,760
S12: asked me if I would do some series where we

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S12: could reach young men and they were willing to fund everything.

1178
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S12: And I said I would do it if you could

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S12: offer it all for free. So we got together, formed

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S12: better man. Uh, we did video series. We did what

1181
01:02:56,060 --> 01:03:00,860
S12: I call the ten Fundamentals of Manhood, and it's all online.

1182
01:03:00,860 --> 01:03:05,100
S12: We've got multiple teachers teaching those ten weeks. So we

1183
01:03:05,100 --> 01:03:08,980
S12: have different ethnicities, different age groups. But you can go

1184
01:03:08,980 --> 01:03:12,860
S12: online and see each one of those teachers teach those

1185
01:03:12,860 --> 01:03:16,580
S12: ten weeks and then off your phone or computer, you

1186
01:03:16,580 --> 01:03:20,860
S12: can download for free those ten weeks and the workbook,

1187
01:03:21,140 --> 01:03:23,860
S12: and then just get with a small group of guys.

1188
01:03:23,860 --> 01:03:27,020
S12: That's what we recommend. Usually having at least one older

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S12: man in the group and go through the series together,

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S12: and it has really connected with young men, and it's

1191
01:03:34,820 --> 01:03:37,900
S12: great to bring older men into it. And, uh, a

1192
01:03:37,940 --> 01:03:42,020
S12: listener today could download anything he wanted off our website

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S12: for free.

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S5: Today's the day, guys. I'm telling you right now, I

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01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,560
S5: got a boiling passion inside of me. This is real. Uh,

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S5: it's desperately needed. You know it. And most I would

1197
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:57,600
S5: say Ali. I mean, it's anecdotal, but we get. How

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S5: much feedback here about how do I get my way

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S5: out of this thing? Now, we've got something here, don't we?

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S3: Absolutely. And this is going to be content that you

1201
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,680
S3: can do with the small group that you can bring.

1202
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,120
S3: To your church to help them get on board with it.

1203
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:15,600
S3: We've got it for you. Just text man to (800) 555-7898.

1204
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:17,880
S3: If you want to explore more of this free content.

1205
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,560
S3: This video teaching. This is very much a plug and

1206
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,440
S3: play option where it has been prepared for you so

1207
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,120
S3: that you can engage with some brothers in Christ. Go

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S3: ahead and text man to (800) 555-7898. Man to (800) 555-7898.

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S5: Robert, before we let you go, give us a story.

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S5: Give us a story that's fresh on your heart about somebody,

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S5: a young man. He may not have arrived, but he's

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S5: got some breakthrough right now.

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S12: Well, it's funny you said that because the other day

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S12: I got a text from a young man in Saudi Arabia,

1215
01:04:51,860 --> 01:04:55,340
S12: and somehow he had gotten hold of the better man material,

1216
01:04:55,340 --> 01:04:59,340
S12: downloaded it with another guy and walked through it. Because

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01:04:59,380 --> 01:05:02,460
S12: you're not going to fix your manhood by just a coffee.

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01:05:02,780 --> 01:05:05,060
S12: You've got to have some time where you sit and

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01:05:05,060 --> 01:05:09,140
S12: soak in the truths of the scriptures made relevant through

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S12: this kind of video technology. And he had done that

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01:05:12,140 --> 01:05:15,500
S12: by himself with another guy, and they had just talked

1222
01:05:15,500 --> 01:05:17,820
S12: through it, and he wanted to contact me. Didn't know

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S12: how he had worked through our better man resources, but

1224
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S12: basically what he said, he said, I grew up a Buddhist.

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S12: I didn't know anything about manhood. I went through the series,

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S12: I was introduced to Jesus with my friend, and we

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S12: talked about it through the series. And he said, I

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S12: wanted you to know at the end of that time,

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S12: I gave my life to Jesus.

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S6: Oh my.

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S5: Goodness.

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S12: Now that's a guy who is as far out from

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S12: my ability to influence him as you can possibly get.

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01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:56,480
S12: Another country, a different religion. He's using technology, but the

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S12: truths of the Scripture made relevant to his manhood in

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01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:06,280
S12: community with one other guy. They came to Christ just

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S12: by listening to the Bible made relevant to their manhood,

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S12: and they went from a foggy manhood to Jesus's life

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S12: giving manhood, and that ended up with them walking with

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S12: Jesus himself. That's why I'm in the game, Carl, because

1241
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,440
S12: I've seen that happen thousands of times.

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S6: Wow.

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S5: You know, I've always known you to be a passionate man.

1244
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:28,800
S5: From the time when we sat down, I was in

1245
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,360
S5: your small group when you were writing this core curriculum,

1246
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:34,760
S5: when it all began. And yet, Robert, that fire's not

1247
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:36,800
S5: gone out. I feel like it's building here, my friend.

1248
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:37,920
S5: God's doing something.

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01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,660
S12: He is doing something. And then we've got a lot

1250
01:06:41,660 --> 01:06:45,220
S12: of great speakers on board who do our video series,

1251
01:06:45,220 --> 01:06:48,660
S12: but these guys really connect with younger men. And we

1252
01:06:48,660 --> 01:06:51,580
S12: use older men just to sit at the table as

1253
01:06:51,580 --> 01:06:56,140
S12: table guides, just sharing honestly their life, going through these experiences.

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S12: I mean, we have multiple curriculums, but the basic curriculum

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S12: on the fundamentals of of manhood, called core, is the

1256
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S12: one we're offering today for free. And just telling you

1257
01:07:06,420 --> 01:07:09,820
S12: some time in that soaking in that curriculum with a

1258
01:07:09,860 --> 01:07:14,620
S12: community of men, just talking and being real, it brings

1259
01:07:14,620 --> 01:07:18,620
S12: you out of the cultural fog, the woke culture that

1260
01:07:18,620 --> 01:07:22,260
S12: we're in that's offering dead ends. And it will provide

1261
01:07:22,260 --> 01:07:25,380
S12: for you an escape hatch to life giving manhood.

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S5: Love it. Robert Louis is his name. He's a good

1263
01:07:28,820 --> 01:07:32,100
S5: man and he's got some phenomenal content again. Ali. What's

1264
01:07:32,100 --> 01:07:32,820
S5: that link, sister.

1265
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S6: Just.

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S3: Text man to 805 55, 78, 98. Man, man (800) 555-7898.