WEBVTT - Israel — the Miracle

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<v S1>No Place in the world embodies both historical and prophetic significance.

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<v S1>Like the Land of Israel and as the land of

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<v S1>the Bible, no place is more significant to Jews and Christians.

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<v S1>This week we're going to explore a unique book with

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<v S1>contributions from many believers, all pointing to Israel the Miracle.

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<v S1>And our host, Doctor Charlie Dyer, takes us to Psalm

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<v S1>122 for a devotional I think you're going to love.

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<v S1>Welcome to the land and the book. As I say,

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<v S1>our host is Doctor Charlie Dyer. Glad you've connected today.

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<v S1>I'm John Geiger, and you know, Charlie, people wonder, how

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<v S1>do you share the gospel with a Jewish person because

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<v S1>of cultural, historical, and religious differences? Sometimes it can be

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<v S1>challenging to navigate a gospel conversation with somebody from a

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<v S1>Jewish background. You ever wondered, though, how the professionals do it?

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<v S2>in messiah.org. Now don't miss out on this great opportunity, and.

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<v S1>Let's swing our focus now toward current events, beginning with

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<v S1>a look at the current war going on between Hamas

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<v S1>and Israel. One of the main headlines. There has been

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<v S1>a fire in Rafah, and there's certainly some confusion there.

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<v S1>What do we need to know, Charlie?

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<v S2>You know, John, all I kept thinking is I read

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<v S2>these stories. Is the quote attributed to Mark Twain. It

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<v S2>said a lie can travel halfway around the world while

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<v S2>the truth is putting on its shoes. And we're not

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<v S2>even sure Mark Twain said that, uh, Jonathan Swift actually

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<v S2>said it first. He said falsehood flies and the truth

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<v S2>comes limping after it. And that's the best description of this.

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<v S2>You know, the incident, 45 people killed in Rafah. And

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<v S2>if you read the headlines, it sounds like Israel indiscriminately

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<v S2>dropped a bomb on a group of tents that caught

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<v S2>fire that spread through the camp. The reality is that

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<v S2>Israel attacked two Hamas operatives that were hundreds of feet

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<v S2>from the nearest tents, almost a mile from the location

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<v S2>of the actual fire. Apparently, the site that they bombed

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<v S2>also contained munitions being stored by Hamas that caused secondary

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<v S2>explosions sent flaming shrapnel flying. Some of that hit a

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<v S2>gas canister in the shelter area, causing it to explode.

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<v S2>Not to me. The question should be why was Hamas

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<v S2>storing weapons and ammunition near the refugee shelter? And why

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<v S2>did the press accept Hamas's version without taking time to

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<v S2>verify what had actually happened? It was a sad and

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<v S2>tragic event, but the reality is that Israel was attacking Hamas.

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<v S2>It was the weapons store by Hamas that ultimately caused

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<v S2>all of the damage.

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<v S1>Any other summary statement you'd make about the war and

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<v S1>its progress, its impact in that region?

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<v S2>Yeah. Israel is fighting on two fronts. They're fighting against Hamas,

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<v S2>and they're making progress heading through Rafah. But they're also

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<v S2>fighting the world press. And the world press. And the

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<v S2>other countries of the world are stacked against Israel. And

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<v S2>that's a major battle. And Israel is not being as

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<v S2>successful there.

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<v S1>Story number two, from Palestinian President Abbas to some modern

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<v S1>day false messiahs, claims are being made that Ashkenazi Jews

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<v S1>aren't really Jewish. What's the basis for these claims? How

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<v S1>valid are they and what are the implications?

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<v S2>Yeah, at first you hear these statements. They sound bizarre

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<v S2>and they really are. But if you repeat them often,

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<v S2>enough people start to believe them. And that's what's happening

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<v S2>with this claim. The claim is that Ashkenazi or European

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<v S2>Jews have no genetic relationship to Jewish antiquity. In the

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<v S2>Land of Israel, they would say that they were Khazars

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<v S2>from the Caucasus region who converted to Judaism in the

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<v S2>early Middle Ages. A genetic study that was done in

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<v S2>2012 is often cited as proof for this. Now, the

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<v S2>problem is that most of us know very little about DNA,

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<v S2>though we assume it must be true. You know, DNA

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<v S2>matches are what police use to connect evidence with suspects,

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<v S2>but the reality in this case is more complex. There

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<v S2>is no group of Khazars today to which Ashkenazi DNA

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<v S2>can be compared. So the author of that 2012 study

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<v S2>compared the genetic signature of Ashkenazi Jews with those of

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<v S2>modern day Armenians and Georgians, which he used as a

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<v S2>stand in for the Khazars. But other geneticists described that

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<v S2>as an unrealistic premise because Armenians have also, well, they

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<v S2>have Middle Eastern roots as well, which is why they

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<v S2>appear to be genetically similar. An international group of 30

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<v S2>geneticists wrote to debunk that theory. By using sophisticated molecular tools,

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<v S2>they found that Jews worldwide are genetically homogeneous no matter

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<v S2>where they live. Those scientists say the Jews are genetically

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<v S2>more similar to each other than to their non-Jewish neighbors,

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<v S2>and that they share a middle eastern ancestry. And that

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<v S2>leads to the second major point here. Ashkenazi Jews account

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<v S2>for just under half of all Jews. The others are

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<v S2>Sephardic Jews. Came from Spain and Portugal. Mizrachi Jews from

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<v S2>the Middle East, and those arguing that the Jews have

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<v S2>no connection to the land. Tend to leave out those

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<v S2>Jews who make up more than half of all the

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<v S2>Jewish population. So what are the implications of all this? Well,

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<v S2>many who claim the Ashkenazi Jews aren't really Jewish. Well,

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<v S2>they're doing so to try to deny their historical connection

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<v S2>to the land of Israel. But if they are Jewish,

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<v S2>they do have that connection. And one final detail, how

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<v S2>do we account for some traces of other DNA in

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<v S2>these studies? Well, actually, the answer is kind of easy.

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<v S2>You think back through Israel's history, Rahab was a Canaanite

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<v S2>who came into the people of Israel. Uh, Ruth was

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<v S2>a moabitess who ended up not only in Israel, but

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<v S2>in the line of David and Jesus. Uh, the argument

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<v S2>that Jews, especially Ashkenazi Jews, aren't really Jewish. It's just false.

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<v S2>It's dangerous, and it needs to be debunked.

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<v S1>An Iranian lawmaker said Iran now possesses nuclear weapons. Is

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<v S1>his statement true? It also leads to a second question

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<v S1>how serious of a threat is Iran's nuclear program?

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<v S2>Iran probably doesn't yet have nuclear weapons, in spite of

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<v S2>what that member of parliament claimed. It seems suspicious that

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<v S2>a regular parliament member, you know, rather than someone representing

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<v S2>the ayatollah or the military, is the one making that claim.

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<v S2>But it's virtually certain that Iran is working to develop

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<v S2>nuclear weapons and the means to put them on missiles,

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<v S2>and they're close to having a sufficient supply of enriched

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<v S2>uranium to take the final step. The International Atomic Energy

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<v S2>Agency estimates that Iran currently has sufficient uranium enriched to 60%

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<v S2>purity to take the next small step, and it would

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<v S2>give them enough to make three nuclear bombs. The real

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<v S2>question is, what would Iran do with nuclear weapons if

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<v S2>they were to possess them? Now, some believe even if

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<v S2>Iran were to possess them, it wouldn't be a major

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<v S2>problem since no rational leader would ever use them. The

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<v S2>inevitable retaliation would destroy the country. But the flaw in

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<v S2>that argument is that Iran's leaders are motivated by religious beliefs,

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<v S2>and they don't necessarily operate by the same rules of logic.

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<v S2>Iran's eschatology, its understanding of the future, is that there

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<v S2>is going to be a worldwide conflagration preceding the arrival

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<v S2>of the Mahdi, their Messiah. And that final war includes

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<v S2>the destruction of the Jews. If the Ayatollah had nuclear

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<v S2>weapons and was convinced God had selected him to hasten

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<v S2>the arrival of the Mahdi, what might seem totally illogical

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<v S2>to us could seem perfectly rational to him. Uh, European

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<v S2>powers have wanted to present a resolution against Iran at

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<v S2>the next IAEA meeting. But it's actually interesting. The United

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<v S2>States is the one opposing. Our leaders really need to

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<v S2>pay close attention to what Iran is doing, or they

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<v S2>could be faced with a major problem down the road

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<v S2>from Moody Radio.

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<v S1>This is the land and the book where we're looking

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<v S1>at current events from the week based in the Middle East.

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<v S1>Proverbs 2120 says the wise store up choice food and

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<v S1>olive oil, but fools gulp theirs down. Well, Israel has

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<v S1>been taking this to heart with a program to store

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<v S1>energy reserves in a secret location in the Negev. What's

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<v S1>behind this program? To store up energy reserves?

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<v S2>Yeah. Let me start by talking about our own strategic

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<v S2>petroleum reserve. You know, we have had that since 1973.

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<v S2>Back in the original energy crisis in 2009, we had

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<v S2>727 million barrels of oil stored in that reserve. Now,

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<v S2>that sounds like a lot, except we currently use 20

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<v S2>million barrels of oil a day, so to speak. We'd

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<v S2>stored up enough oil to keep our country running at

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<v S2>full steam for 36 days. Unfortunately, since 2020, we've drawn

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<v S2>down our reserves to a 40 year low of about

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<v S2>350 million barrels, just enough for 17 days. Now, Israel

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<v S2>needs less oil, but they're also far more dependent on

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<v S2>outside supplies. As a result, they've developed and filled a

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<v S2>secret underground fuel reserve in the Negev. That's one of

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<v S2>the largest such facilities in the Middle East. It's capable

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<v S2>of providing fuel to any part of the country within

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<v S2>a few hours, should it be needed. Israel assumes that

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<v S2>in any war with Hezbollah, their offshore gas fields would

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<v S2>be shut down and all electrical plants would need to

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<v S2>switch back to coal and oil. And much of that

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<v S2>oil in this secret reserve would be used to supply

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<v S2>the country with electricity. It would also be used to

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<v S2>provide fuel for the Army and for other infrastructure like

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<v S2>airports and fuel stations. So Israel's continuing to store up

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<v S2>energy reserves to be as prepared as possible to face

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<v S2>any threat that may come their way. And I think

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<v S2>Solomon would commend them for being very wise for doing so.

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<v S2>And unlike the US, they don't draw down their supplies

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<v S2>for political reasons like trying to lower the price of gasoline,

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<v S2>which in Israel right now is just under $8 a gallon. Wow.

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<v S1>An Israeli university and a rehab hospital have partnered together

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<v S1>to develop new technologies to improve post-stroke rehabilitation. Tell us

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<v S1>about these developments coming out of Amazing Israel.

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<v S2>Yeah, my mom suffered two strokes toward the end of

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<v S2>her life. So this story really had significance to me.

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<v S2>Those who worked to help stroke victims recover are simply amazing. Unfortunately,

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<v S2>facilities and techniques look pretty much the same today as

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<v S2>they did 50 years ago, and as a result, the

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<v S2>recovery rates stayed about the same. Now, what intrigued these

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<v S2>researchers is. Post-stroke recovery is so much faster in animals.

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<v S2>A monkeys, for example, regained full use of their limbs

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<v S2>after only a few weeks, so combining observations like these

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<v S2>with the latest technology led them to some significant discoveries.

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<v S2>They found that just 40 extra hours of post-stroke treatment

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<v S2>can improve upper limb function. Unfortunately, hospitals tend not to

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<v S2>have enough physical and occupational therapies to deliver the hours,

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<v S2>so these researchers have now developed technologies to help deliver

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<v S2>additional treatment. They're using highly engaging computer simulations to help

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<v S2>increase repetition and intensity. There's no one magic bullet that

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<v S2>can help someone who's had a stroke resume a normal life.

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<v S2>But these researchers and amazing Israel are pioneering new care

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<v S2>protocols that will help those who've had a stroke recover

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<v S2>more completely.

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<v S1>Thank you Charlie. And because you love Israel and the

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<v S1>Jewish people, you should probably know just a bit more

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<v S1>about Moody Bible Institute's Jewish Studies. Major Doctor Michael Redlich

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<v S1>joins the conversation now, and he guides this exciting program

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<v S1>at Moody. Michael, where does the major take students biblically

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<v S1>and scholastically?

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<v S3>Well, we help our students understand God's plan for the

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<v S3>Jewish people and for Israel. We help them understand the

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<v S3>covenants and also the history and destiny of the Jewish people.

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<v S1>So what are some experiences that would be unique to

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<v S1>the Jewish Studies major at Moody Bible Institute?

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<v S3>Well, many of our students study in Israel. Many of

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<v S3>them do their internships in Israel. Also, they get to

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<v S3>engage in cross-cultural ministry right here in the United States.

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<v S3>I always consider Jewish people to be the most unreached

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<v S3>people right in our midst.

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<v S1>Parents and prospective students might be wondering, what about after

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<v S1>I graduate? What does a Jewish Studies major from Moody

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<v S1>prepare me to do?

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<v S3>Obviously, it prepares you for Jewish ministry, whether vocationally or

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<v S3>by vocationally. You know, we have some students that serve

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<v S3>with Jewish organizations, if you can believe it, uh, non-believing

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<v S3>Jewish organizations, they serve there and they have a testimony

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<v S3>in those kinds of settings. Uh, we have others that

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<v S3>have served, actually, for the Israeli consulate. So there's a

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<v S3>wide opportunity for people to show their concern and their

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<v S3>care for the Jewish people.

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<v S1>And a listener could learn more about the Jewish studies major, how.

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<v S4>Just go to moody.edu.

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<v S3>And click on the Jewish Studies program. It has all

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<v S3>sorts of information for you there. So go to moody.edu.

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<v S1>That's Michael Riedel with a bit more about the Jewish

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<v S1>Studies major on the land and the book. No Place

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<v S1>in the world embodies both historical and prophetic significance as

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<v S1>the Land of Israel, as the land of the Bible,

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<v S1>no place is more significance to Jews and Christians. What

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<v S1>if there was a book, though, that somehow compiled the

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<v S1>thoughts of many, many Christians about the significance of the

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<v S1>land of Israel? All between two covers with spectacular photos? Well,

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<v S1>that's what we're about to talk about here on the

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<v S1>land and the book Israel the Miracle. I'm John Gager.

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<v S1>Our guest is Jonathan Feldstein, and he is the president

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<v S1>of the Genesis 123 Foundation, building bridges between Jews and

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<v S1>Christians in ways that are new, unique, and meaningful. Welcome

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<v S1>to the land in the book.

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<v S5>Wow, what a delight. And you know what? I love

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<v S5>that setup because you talked about it being between the

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<v S5>covers of a book and talking about the land. And

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<v S5>here I am on the land in the book. I mean, wow,

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<v S5>this is powerful.

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<v S1>Thank you. Well, talk about this issue, first of building

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<v S1>bridges between Jews and Christians. What does that look like? Practically? Sure.

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<v S5>So what it means, first of all, is relationships, not

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<v S5>transactional experiences. There are a lot of people who are

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<v S5>looking for transactional relationships. I knew early on in my

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<v S5>calling to be a bridge between Jews and Christians that

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<v S5>it can't be about monetizing relationships, but in fact building deep,

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<v S5>lasting relationships. So we do things that are involving prayer

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<v S5>and blessing Israel, but also even because the name of

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<v S5>the organization, Genesis 123 comes from Genesis 12 three, most

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<v S5>people remember, I will bless those who bless you. I

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<v S5>will curse those who curse you. Most people don't pay

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<v S5>attention to the third third of that verse, which is,

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<v S5>the families of the world will be blessed through you.

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<v S5>And we don't have time now. But I do that,

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<v S5>and we do that in so many ways. So if

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<v S5>you remember back in the US in 22, there was

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<v S5>a shortage of baby formula. I didn't have that shortage

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<v S5>going on in Israel. And my trip in June of 22,

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<v S5>I brought £200 of baby formula to two churches in

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<v S5>Texas with Hebrew writing on it, and gave it out

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<v S5>to families there for us to be a blessing because

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<v S5>we could. So that's what we embody, to try to

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<v S5>do things that are different out of the box and

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<v S5>much more than transactional.

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<v S1>How was that received? I mean, different people from different

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<v S1>perspectives on life. Are they at all suspicious? Do they?

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<v S1>Are they warmly welcoming? What's your reaction?

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<v S5>They're warmly welcoming of the sentiment. They're warmly welcoming that

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<v S5>I am a foil to many people who simply just

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<v S5>want people to write a check or swipe their credit card,

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<v S5>or something of that nature to take an offering. Those

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<v S5>are important things, and that's a solid way to bless Israel.

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<v S5>But it's not the only way. When I brought the

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<v S5>baby formula to Texas, just as a continuation of that example,

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<v S5>the person who was my host said no. All the

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<v S5>times that she has hosted guests from Israel, no one

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<v S5>ever came bearing gifts for people in America. That's pretty powerful.

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<v S5>So it's very, very well received, and it's refreshing because

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<v S5>the other side of it is, as an Orthodox Jew,

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<v S5>I have also a responsibility to help Jews understand that, yes,

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<v S5>some Christians have different agendas, and we can speak about

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<v S5>that openly but genuinely. Christian love and support for Israel

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<v S5>and the Jewish people is pure. And my Jewish friends

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<v S5>who don't understand that or are suspicious of it. It's

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<v S5>also my job to make sure that Jews understand, no,

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<v S5>we're in a we're in a really historic period, and

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<v S5>we need to embrace that back.

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<v S1>We're going to get to this book, I assure you,

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<v S1>in a minute. But I want to talk for just

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<v S1>a little bit more about this misunderstanding. You know, I,

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<v S1>I came to a quote when I was down at

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<v S1>the Everlasting Nation Museum in Chattanooga from Adolf Hitler. That

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<v S1>absolutely blew me away. Obviously, nobody argues how evil he was.

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<v S1>But listen, this is an actual quote from Mein Kampf.

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<v S1>He says, I am now convinced that I am acting

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<v S1>as an agent of our creator by fighting off the Jews.

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<v S1>I am doing the Lord's work. Well, no wonder there

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<v S1>are Jewish people who are suspicious of Christians. You know,

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<v S1>these are the things again though, that I have had

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<v S1>to learn in my ignorance.

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<v S5>And where are people who who celebrate our history? Every

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<v S5>year we celebrate again the exodus from Egypt as if

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<v S5>we were there and part of that experience. And so,

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<v S5>of course, we're going to remember persecution of the church

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<v S5>from 1000 years ago or from 500 years ago, or

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<v S5>from Hitler, who obscenely adopted theology into his hateful, uh, positions.

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<v S1>Jonathan Feldstein is president of Genesis 123, uh, building bridges

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<v S1>between Jews and Christians. It's an honor to have him

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<v S1>on the land. And the book. Let's talk about the

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<v S1>book that you brought, small B it's not the Bible Israel,

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<v S1>the miracle encounters with the land and people God loves.

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<v S1>Describe this gorgeous book and what's between the two covers.

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<v S5>So God gave me this vision in October of 2022,

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<v S5>and I had been speaking with the publisher, Higher Life

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<v S5>Christian Publisher out of Orlando, about a different book entirely.

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<v S5>And I sent an email to David and I said, hey,

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<v S5>what do you think about the idea of putting together

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<v S5>a book of 75 essays by Christian leaders from all

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<v S5>over the world, writing Why Israel's Significant in celebration of

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<v S5>Israel's 75th anniversary. Now remember, this is October. Israel's 75th

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<v S5>anniversary was the following year in 23. In May. And

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<v S5>he said, yes, great. And he then he improved upon

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<v S5>it and said, I don't see it as a book

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<v S5>of texts that people will read and be inspired by

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<v S5>and put on a shelf. But a coffee table book? Yes.

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<v S5>And it has beautiful images. So you interact. And that's

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<v S5>what the book is. It's an experience. So we move

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<v S5>forward with this. And I said to you, as we

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<v S5>were before we began recording, if, if I had known

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<v S5>what an incredible work this would have been and how

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<v S5>many obstacles and impediments, I probably would have run away,

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<v S5>I probably would not have done this. It was conceived

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<v S5>in October. It was delivered to the printer in August

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<v S5>the following year, nine months. It came off the press

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<v S5>in September this past year, just two weeks before the

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<v S5>war began. And that delayed everything. But honestly, that makes

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<v S5>the book even all the more significant.

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<v S1>Yeah, so contributions are from names that many of our

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<v S1>listeners will know. Kay Arthur is in this book. Anne

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<v S1>Graham Lotz, Steve Brown, the preacher with the big voice, uh,

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<v S1>Ben Carson, uh, Joel Rosenberg, a guest many times on

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<v S1>the land in the book, uh, Don Sweeting, son of

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<v S1>former Moody Bible Institute president George Sweeting. Jim Showers, we've

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<v S1>had him on the land in the book, so many

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<v S1>and many more that you may not be familiar with

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<v S1>all across a broad spectrum of Christianity, all contributing. Is

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<v S1>there a single theme that you picked up on as

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<v S1>these things all came in?

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<v S5>Excellent question. The single theme is that there isn't a

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<v S5>single theme. I was really afraid that every other person

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<v S5>was going to write about blessing Israel and being blessed,

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<v S5>or for such a time as this, or being a

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<v S5>watchman on the wall, or praying for the peace of Jerusalem.

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<v S5>We don't have that. There wasn't that redundancy. If you

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<v S5>read it as I've done. I'm now one of a

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<v S5>few people who've read the book entirely. Uh, but you

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<v S5>see a common thread, and that thread is love, and

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<v S5>it's not lineal because the book is published, except for

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<v S5>Pat Robertson at the outset, alphabetically. So it's not published thematically,

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<v S5>it's just straight alphabet. But if you pay attention and

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<v S5>digest the words of these incredible authors and then absorb

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<v S5>the pictures, you actually begin to see the themes, the

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<v S5>threads that run throughout. And that's the beauty of this book,

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<v S5>is because this is what we wanted to represent, the

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<v S5>depth and the breadth of Christian support for Israel and

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<v S5>the Jewish people from all over the world.

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<v S1>What kind of a response are you getting to the book? Uh,

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<v S1>in particular, what are people saying?

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<v S5>Even the fact that I wasn't able to come on

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<v S5>a press and book launch tour until now, the book came,

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<v S5>was supposed to be in November and December because of

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<v S5>the war and my son and serving in Gaza and

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<v S5>my son in law serving in Gaza. So we deferred

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<v S5>it until now to the spring. We've just now ordered

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<v S5>our second printing. Wow. Coming from a print shop in

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<v S5>one of the communities that was devastated by the terrorist

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<v S5>attack on October 7th. So the proceeds go back to

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<v S5>blessing Israel. But we're actually investing in a print shop

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<v S5>in one of the communities that needs the rehabilitation. Um,

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<v S5>the response has been overwhelming, and I just pray that

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<v S5>I ordered enough copies because once conversations like this get out,

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<v S5>it still takes a few weeks to print and then

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<v S5>ship them over.

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<v S1>Jonathan Feldstein is president of the Genesis 123 Foundation. You know,

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<v S1>the timing on this, as you pointed out, is interesting

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<v S1>with this recent war. It seems to me now more

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<v S1>than ever, the relationships are hugely important as we see

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<v S1>mainstream media in much of the United States sort of

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<v S1>turning its coverage toward Israel. Uh, not very favorable. What

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<v S1>are your concerns there, or thoughts?

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<v S5>Their concerns is that there's not enough understanding that we need,

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<v S5>that Christians are hard wired, by and large, to love

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<v S5>and support Israel. And you just shared your own growing

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<v S5>up but don't know details, don't know how to stand

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<v S5>up and be part of blessing Israel. That's what, by

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<v S5>the way, that's what makes this book spectacular. Because of

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<v S5>the pictures, you can sit with a child and grandchild

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<v S5>and educate your next generations about Israel. In 1000 words.

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<v S5>It's not. You don't have to read a whole book

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<v S5>of things or chapter at a time, but we need

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<v S5>to come together more. We need to stand together more

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<v S5>because the evil that we are currently fighting is an

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<v S5>evil that's a common enemy of Jews and Christians.

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<v S1>So what's your hope for people as they flip through

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<v S1>this book? Um, they're going to get it and spend

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<v S1>time with it because they are interested in Israel. But

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<v S1>what do you want them to do differently? Be differently,

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<v S1>having invested time in this book.

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<v S5>So first of all, I want people to get the

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<v S5>book at Israel The miracle.com. And when you check out,

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<v S5>I'd like to give your listeners a gift from me

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<v S5>and use the code Jonathan ten and get 10% off,

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<v S5>because my goal is to have this in Christian hands

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<v S5>and Christian homes, that it will be a blessing. And

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<v S5>I say this, and I don't say it rhetorically. I

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<v S5>believe that someone in their 50s who will buy the

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<v S5>book now and share it with their children and grandchildren

0:22:37.250 --> 0:22:39.560
<v S5>will love this and cherish this. And it's going to

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<v S5>be a book that's going to be a centerpiece in

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<v S5>their home. And when that person dies, this is going

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<v S5>to be one of those heirlooms that people are going

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<v S5>to differ about who gets to own afterward. And. Because

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<v S5>it's that you say.

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<v S1>You want to cause a fight, Jonathan.

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<v S5>Know. Then buy, then buy, then buy copies for all

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<v S5>of your children.

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<v S6>There you go.

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<v S5>No, we can do that. No, I don't I want

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<v S5>this to be a blessing. And I want this to

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<v S5>be a way for people to engage through the words,

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<v S5>through the pictures, in the vision of these 75 leaders

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<v S5>from all over the world, just to open their eyes more. Yeah.

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<v S5>And engage. And as I said at the outset, I'm

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<v S5>about building relationships. I would be so blessed if people

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<v S5>not only ordered the book, but let me know what

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<v S5>they think of the book.

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<v S1>What's next for Genesis 123 Foundation? What's the next bridge

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<v S1>you're working on? The next vision you've got?

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<v S5>So the book that was originally discussed two years ago

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<v S5>at the NRB convention that was pushed off, is a

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<v S5>different book that I hope to put back on the agenda.

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<v S5>Now that I know a little bit about publishing and

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<v S5>I have a great publisher to work that. But what

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<v S5>I'm hoping for is the first program that we launched

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<v S5>in 2017 is called run for Zion. It's the first

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<v S5>Christian program around the Jerusalem Marathon. So anyone listening who's

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<v S5>a runner or knows a runner full marathon down to

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<v S5>five K once in a while for just for fitness.

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<v S5>I want them to put March of 25 on their

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<v S5>calendar and be in touch with me, because we've got

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<v S5>a great connection to bring people for what's one of

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<v S5>Israel's biggest family experiences. And I want to bring Christians

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<v S5>to make it a fabulous Christian experience, because if you

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<v S5>are a runner, even only 5 or 10 K, Jerusalem

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<v S5>is the most significant place that you'll run.

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<v S1>All right, obviously, this book is huge and we've talked

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<v S1>about its impact in supporting, but what's something simple that

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<v S1>every listener to the land in the book could do

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<v S1>right now? To build a bridge with the Jewish friend

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<v S1>or neighbor or coworker. What could we do?

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<v S5>Reach out and tell people they heard this conversation, and

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<v S5>how important it is just to show love and have dialogue?

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<v S5>There are a lot of things that we don't agree upon,

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<v S5>and we can. That's fine. We can. Those can be

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<v S5>the elephant in the room that we don't need to

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<v S5>discuss up front. I do, but not everyone's comfortable doing that.

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<v S5>But just learn about one another. Jews and Christians know

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<v S5>we exist and know we come. How? The metaphor is

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<v S5>a great metaphor grafted into the same to the root.

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<v S5>And that root of the root we're talking about is

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<v S5>an olive tree. And this book is abundant with pictures

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<v S5>of olive trees appropriately, because that's the metaphor that we're celebrating.

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<v S5>But especially now when American Jews are suffering anti-Semitism at

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<v S5>levels that are frightening and they're concerned for Israel. And

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<v S5>American Jews need to hear from Christians who are no

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<v S5>less anguished about what's going on and to say, hey,

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<v S5>I don't know how you're feeling, but I'm standing with

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<v S5>you and just and to reach out. And if someone

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<v S5>doesn't know a Jewish person, they can be in touch

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<v S5>with me and I'll connect them to Jewish people or myself.

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<v S1>Jonathan Feldstein is president of the Genesis 123 Foundation. There's

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<v S1>a link to his website at ours, The Land and

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<v S1>the book org. We'll get you connected with everything you

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<v S1>need to know. Thank you so much for the.

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<v S5>Time, John. What a.

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<v S1>Blessing. Hey, we're looking forward to Charlie Dyer getting back

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<v S1>into the studio here with a fresh set of Bible questions.

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<v S1>Always something curious that you're wondering about, and I'm wondering

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<v S1>about it too. So let's wonder together, as we hear

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<v S1>from Charlie next here on the land and the book.

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<v S1>Thanks for listening to The Land and the book from

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<v S1>Moody Radio. I'm John Gager, looking forward to wow, Charlie.

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<v S1>Big stack of questions I see at your side there.

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<v S1>I trust you've got some answers for us today.

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<v S2>Ah, it's like the old saying, you got questions, we

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<v S2>got answers, I love it.

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<v S1>We're going to turn to the Bible for those answers,

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<v S1>as we always do. First, though, a question I'd like

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<v S1>to ask how do you share the gospel with a

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<v S1>Jewish person? Because of cultural, historical and religious differences, it's

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<v S1>sometimes challenging to navigate a gospel conversation with somebody from

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<v S1>a Jewish background. That's been my experience, Charlie, but have

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<v S1>you ever wondered how the quote professionals do it? Yeah.

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<v S1>All right, let's take a look at our questions for

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<v S1>the day from listeners like Mark, who admits, I'm completely

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<v S1>confused by First Corinthians 15 verse 29. I get that way,

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<v S1>he says at the end of Paul's discourse about the

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<v S1>resurrection of the dead, he argues against those who claim

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<v S1>that there is no resurrection of the dead. And he says, now,

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<v S1>if there is no resurrection, what will those do who

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<v S1>are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not

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<v S1>raised at all, why are the people baptized for them?

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<v S1>He says, I was raised in a tradition of people

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<v S1>being encouraged to pray for the dead, for which I

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<v S1>know of no scriptural support, so I'm surprised that Paul

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<v S1>mentions what appears to be a common practice of baptism

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<v S1>for the dead. What am I missing?

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<v S2>Yeah, and let me give you the best explanation I've

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<v S2>ever heard from this. It's from a friend of mine,

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<v S2>David Lowery. He was a fellow faculty member at Dallas Seminary.

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<v S2>And and here's what he wrote in part. He said

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<v S2>there's up to 200 explanations that have been given of

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<v S2>this verse. So it's clear from the context, though Paul

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<v S2>was distinguishing what his practice was and the teaching that

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<v S2>he's then describing here. Now, how did the false teachers

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<v S2>come up with a view? We may never know. But

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<v S2>north of Corinth there was a place where there was

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<v S2>a center of a wildly popular ancient mystery religion that's

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<v S2>even mentioned by Homer. Part of the rites of the

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<v S2>initiation were washings of purification in the sea, without which

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<v S2>they said, no one could hope to experience bliss in

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<v S2>the life hereafter. It's likely that some in Corinth, possibly

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<v S2>influenced by that mystery religion, were pushing a false view

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<v S2>of baptism, which Paul took up and used as an

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<v S2>argument against those who denied the resurrection. And then here's

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<v S2>what David adds. He says no interpretation of this text

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<v S2>is entirely satisfactory, but this view has as its chief

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<v S2>strength the natural reading of the Greek verse, an asset

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<v S2>regularly lacking in other explanations. It's also noteworthy that Paul

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<v S2>referred to those who are baptizing for the dead, not

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<v S2>we who are baptizing for the dead. So his whole

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<v S2>point is, I think Paul's actually describing something that was

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<v S2>happening in Corinth because of this local mystery religion that

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<v S2>was happening there. But it's also important. Perhaps the most

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<v S2>important part is that Paul did not include himself among

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<v S2>those who were doing this practice. In fact, he says

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<v S2>it's them and in essence saying not us. And he

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<v S2>uses it only as an illustration. So he's definitely not

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<v S2>endorsing whatever was taking place.

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<v S1>All right. Thank you. Roger says, I've been reading about heaven,

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<v S1>and I wonder whether or not we would have memories

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<v S1>of earth in heaven. We're often told that there would

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<v S1>be no memories of earth, since that might bring sadness

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<v S1>and there is no sadness in heaven. But we are

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<v S1>coming back to earth to rule with Christ. So wouldn't

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<v S1>we have some kind of memory? Any thoughts?

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<v S2>Yeah, well, I don't know of any direct statement on

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<v S2>the subject, but that makes me want to tread carefully here.

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<v S2>My answer. But it does seem to me that Jesus's

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<v S2>story of the rich man and Lazarus provides some insight.

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<v S2>You know, it's a story in Luke 16 that's likely

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<v S2>a parable, but the information Jesus gives, I think, corresponds

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<v S2>to reality, because I can't imagine him sharing details. That

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<v S2>wouldn't be true. But in that story, Jesus shares the

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<v S2>fact that both the rich man and Lazarus have a

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<v S2>conscious existence after death. And more than that, the rich

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<v S2>man knows he has five brothers who are still alive

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<v S2>who are going to experience the same fate he's now

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<v S2>experiencing unless they change their ways. So at least in

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<v S2>that instance, it seems the individual did have a memory

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<v S2>of his life on earth prior to his death. Now again,

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<v S2>it's a story being told by Jesus, but it suggests

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<v S2>that those who have died do possess memories of their

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<v S2>life before death.

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<v S1>If you're just connecting, that's Doctor Charlie Dyer, host of

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<v S1>The Land in the book. I'm John Geiger, his sidekick,

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<v S1>and we get a kick out of your questions here

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<v S1>at the land in the book. And you can email them,

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<v S1>by the way, anytime to the land and the book@moody.edu,

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<v S1>Bob says there's a tradition in the Russian Orthodox Church

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<v S1>that after Constantinople, the second Rome fell to the Turks

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<v S1>in 1453, Moscow became its successor as the third Rome.

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<v S7>Rome.

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<v S1>Daniel seems to be clear that the prince to come

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<v S1>will be from the people who destroyed the temple in

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<v S1>70 A.D.. With all of that as background, do you

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<v S1>think Gog and the Antichrist are two separate individuals?

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<v S7>Yeah.

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<v S2>And I think that the verse you're quoting there, Daniel 926,

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<v S2>is the key for identifying the location from where the

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<v S2>Antichrist comes from. It says he's the prince who's to come,

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<v S2>and it's his people who destroyed Jerusalem following the cutting

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<v S2>off of the Anointed One that is Jesus. Now, I

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<v S2>think it also matches Daniel two and seven, which connect

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<v S2>a fourth Empire to arise Rome with the. You know,

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<v S2>the Rome was there when Jesus came the first time,

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<v S2>and a revived Roman Empire will be around when he

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<v S2>comes again. So the real question then is, could Russia

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<v S2>be that empire? And I don't find that that believable.

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<v S2>I see Gog from the land of Magog. That's the

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<v S2>Ezekiel 38 and 39 prophecy being different than the Antichrist.

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<v S2>He's said to be from the far north. His allies

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<v S2>are identified as Persia, which is Iran and Kush south

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<v S2>of Egypt, and put which is Libya, and Togarmah, which

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<v S2>the area of Turkey. I see the Antichrist rising from

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<v S2>the west, confirming a covenant with Israel at the beginning

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<v S2>of the seven year tribulation. And it seems like that's

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<v S2>what then prompts this Gog, this individual from the far

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<v S2>north to launch a one time attack against Israel. So

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<v S2>the Battle of Gog and Magog is a one and

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<v S2>done battle, if you will, that God uses to begin

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<v S2>turning the Jewish people toward himself. And that's why they

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<v S2>then refused to worship the Antichrist when he presents himself

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<v S2>in the temple as God in the middle of the

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<v S2>seven year tribulation period.

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<v S1>Mark's question is about Exodus 34 verses six and seven.

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<v S1>It says, the Lord, the Lord, the compassionate and gracious God,

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<v S1>slow to anger, forgiving wickedness, rebellion, and sin. Yet he

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<v S1>does not leave the guilty unpunished. He punishes the children

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<v S1>and their children for the sins of their fathers to

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<v S1>the third and fourth generation. Mark says this doesn't seem

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<v S1>consistent with the concept of responsibility for one's own sin,

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<v S1>as expressed in Deuteronomy 2416 or Ezekiel 18, verse four.

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<v S1>Are my grandchildren to be punished for my sins? Help

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<v S1>me understand. Yeah, and.

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<v S2>I believe that the two ideas can be reconciled the

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<v S2>following way. In passages like Ezekiel 18, God saying he

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<v S2>doesn't directly punish a person for sins committed by others,

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<v S2>even by someone as close as one's parents. So a

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<v S2>child would not be held guilty or directly punished for

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<v S2>what his or her parents did. By the way, that's

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<v S2>what the proverb being quoted in Ezekiel 18 actually is

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<v S2>all about. The people were saying, well, if we're being punished,

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<v S2>it's because of what our fathers have done, not because

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<v S2>of what we're doing. And Ezekiel says, no, God's going

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<v S2>to punish you for what you yourself have done. Now,

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<v S2>in that Exodus 34 passage, I believe God is talking

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<v S2>about the effects of sin. He's saying sin's effects are

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<v S2>both serious and long lasting. You know, sin isn't a

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<v S2>victimless crime, so to speak. A child can indeed experience pain, heartache,

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<v S2>and suffering because of actions committed by a parent, a grandparent,

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<v S2>or even a more distant relative. Some examples. If a

0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:10.880
<v S2>parent drives drunk and crashes his or her car, a

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<v S2>child in that car can suffer serious physical injury. They're

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<v S2>experiencing the consequences caused by the sin of their parents.

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<v S2>A child can suffer at the hands of an abusive

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<v S2>parent or grandparent. They can grow up in poverty because

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<v S2>of foolish and sinful actions of their ancestors, who squandered

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<v S2>the family's finances. So God doesn't directly punish a child

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<v S2>for the action of parents. But one thing that makes

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<v S2>sin so horrible is its impact, not only on the

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<v S2>one who commits it, but also on subsequent generations. So

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<v S2>rather than the NIV translation of Punish in Exodus 34 seven,

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<v S2>that's probably where the problem is. I think the new

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<v S2>American standard provides a more nuanced translation of God visiting

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<v S2>the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the grandchildren.

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<v S2>There is an impact of a father's sin on his family,

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<v S2>but it's not through direct divine retribution from God on

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<v S2>the children.

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<v S1>Boy. Either way, though, very sobering. Thank you.

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<v S2>It is.

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<v S1>Robin asks, did Jesus experience fear as a human emotion

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<v S1>while in the garden of Gethsemane? If he understands our

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<v S1>human emotions and can sympathize with us, would that include fear?

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<v S1>I mean, maybe that's why he said fear not because

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<v S1>he knows what fear means. What do you think?

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<v S2>Well, my initial thought is Jesus did not experience fear

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<v S2>in the Garden of Gethsemane. And I say that for

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<v S2>two reasons. First, in first John 418, we're told there's

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<v S2>no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear.

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<v S2>And literally minutes before arriving in the garden, Jesus prayed

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<v S2>the prayer we find in John 17, which ends with

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<v S2>him saying, I have made your name known to them,

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<v S2>and will make it known, so that the love with

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<v S2>which you have loved me may be in them, and

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<v S2>I in them. So Jesus knew he was loved by

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<v S2>the father, and he knew he would be glorified and

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<v S2>vindicated following the crucifixion. So in that sense, he wasn't

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<v S2>afraid of dying when he prayed, father, if it's possible,

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<v S2>let this cup pass from me. I think he was

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<v S2>looking at the time of separation about to take place when,

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<v S2>as Paul described it in Second Corinthians five, for our

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<v S2>sake he made him to be sin. Who? Who knew

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<v S2>no sin, so that in him we might become the

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<v S2>righteousness of God. Jesus was asking if there was any

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<v S2>way the time of separation from the father and punishment

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<v S2>by the father as our sin bearer might be eliminated.

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<v S2>But then he quickly added, not my will, but thine.

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<v S2>And very quickly. The second reason I don't believe Jesus

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<v S2>was fearful in the garden is that the word used

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<v S2>to describe his actual emotion at the time are sorrowful, troubled,

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<v S2>overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. So I'd

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<v S2>say he experienced intense sorrow and sadness, knowing what was

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<v S2>about to happen, but not fear.

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<v S1>Boy, a lot of questions we've gotten in today and

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<v S1>they've covered a lot of ground. Thank you, Charlie, for

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<v S1>your hard work on those. Thank you for keeping those

0:36:43.730 --> 0:36:46.819
<v S1>questions coming. Fascinating to hear what you wonder about. Our

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<v S1>email address is the land and the book@moody.edu. I'm looking

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<v S1>forward to Charlie's devotional. It's coming up next here on

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<v S1>the land and the book. You know, when you and

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<v S1>I flip through our Bibles, it's easy to read about

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<v S1>the city of Jerusalem. And and we almost presume it

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<v S1>was always, always the capital city of Jerusalem. And there

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<v S1>was a time when it was not. In fact, Jerusalem

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<v S1>Day has everything to do with the celebration of its capturing.

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<v S1>We'll talk about that and more in Charlie's devotional next.

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<v S1>Welcome back, by the way, to this fourth and final segment.

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<v S1>Before we turn things over to Charlie, let's take in

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<v S1>this testimony from someone who's been to Israel and shares

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<v S1>their own experiences with you and me.

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<v S8>I used to be a flight attendant with TWA and

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<v S8>spent many layovers in Israel, and I became a Christian

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<v S8>just at that time also. And I remember staying at

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<v S8>the Hilton Hotel there in Tel Aviv and sitting by

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<v S8>the balcony on the balcony and reading my Bible and

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<v S8>listening to the Mediterranean hit the shore, the waves hitting

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<v S8>the shore. And it just I felt just so special.

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<v S8>And I also did some trips into Egypt, and I

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<v S8>have a pair of sandals that I wore both in

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<v S8>Israel and in Egypt, and they, I think, have little

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<v S8>grains of sand in them, and I've never gone to

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<v S8>give them up until I die. I probably want to

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<v S8>wear them when I when I get put in the grave,

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<v S8>but I just thought I'd mention that. And I really

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<v S8>enjoy your program. It's wonderful. Every Christian should go to

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<v S8>Israel at least once. It's it's a tremendous experience and

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<v S8>it would really open their eyes to what the Bible,

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<v S8>how the Bible speaks to us. Thank you.

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<v S1>All right, Charlie, where are we headed in today's devotional?

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<v S7>Uh, we're.

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<v S2>Heading to Jerusalem. John.

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<v S1>Psalm 122 is our focus. I'm looking forward to it.

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<v S1>With that, I'll hand it over to you.

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<v S7>This week is.

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<v S2>Jerusalem Day, Yom Yerushalayim. So follow me into the city

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<v S2>for this rather patriotic celebration. Jerusalem Day marks the day

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<v S2>back in June 1967, when Israel captured East Jerusalem during

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<v S2>the Six Day War to reunite the city under Jewish

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<v S2>control for the first time in nearly 2000 years. The

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<v S2>first thing you see as you walk along the streets

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<v S2>are the crowds of people waving Israeli flags. The surging

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<v S2>sea of blue and white pushes its way along the

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<v S2>already packed streets, forcing us to press against the wall

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<v S2>to avoid being carried along by the flood of humanity.

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<v S2>While this is technically a secular holiday, those here today

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<v S2>are mainly religious Zionists. They believe God is fulfilling his

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<v S2>promises to restore and bring back his people. But we're

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<v S2>not here today to argue prophecy or politics. So follow

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<v S2>me away from the mob and into the Davidson Center

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<v S2>at the southern end of the Temple Mount. We're heading

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<v S2>out to the southern steps that led to the temple

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<v S2>at the time of Jesus. And while these steps do

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<v S2>connect us to events in the life of our Lord,

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<v S2>I simply want us to find a quiet place to

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<v S2>sit and focus on Jerusalem, especially on this special day.

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<v S2>Jerusalem Day reminds me of Psalm 122, a Song of

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<v S2>Ascents written by David. Psalm 122 is a psalm that

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<v S2>focuses especially on Jerusalem and Mount Moriah, the place where

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<v S2>David erected a tent and where his son eventually constructed

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<v S2>the temple. We're sitting on the slopes of Mount Moriah.

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<v S2>These steps weren't here in David's day, but somewhere just

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<v S2>above us is the spot where David purchased the threshing

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<v S2>floor of a round of the jebusite in preparation for

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<v S2>that future temple. With all that in mind, let's explore

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<v S2>Psalm 122. David begins by putting himself in the sandals

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<v S2>of those traveling to Jerusalem for one of the three

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<v S2>annual feasts where God called on them to gather. He

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<v S2>describes the sense of excitement and anticipation felt by those

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<v S2>visiting Jerusalem, the city where God dwelt among his people.

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<v S2>I was glad when they said to me, let us

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<v S2>go to the house of the Lord. Our feet are

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<v S2>standing within your gates, O Jerusalem. David's sense of excitement

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<v S2>describes the crowd we just saw surging through the streets,

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<v S2>and as he switches from the singular, I was glad

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<v S2>to the plural. Let us go up. We are standing.

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<v S2>It's as if David was reaching out to embrace every

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<v S2>pilgrim entering through the gates into the city. But having

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<v S2>described this excitement in the first two verses, David quickly

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<v S2>changes the focus of this Jerusalem Day psalm. This isn't

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<v S2>about us, it's about God and the place where he

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<v S2>has chosen to place his name. In the next three verses,

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<v S2>David shifts our attention toward Jerusalem itself and its significance.

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<v S2>Jerusalem's importance didn't come from its physical size, though, when

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<v S2>David describes it as a city that is compact. Together,

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<v S2>he was referring more to its organic unity than its

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<v S2>small size. The word for compact in verse three has

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<v S2>the idea of being bound together. It could picture the

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<v S2>spiritual unity of the people as much as the tight

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<v S2>physical arrangement of the city's houses and walls. Jerusalem was

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<v S2>David's capital city, and yet its true significance was the

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<v S2>importance given to the city by God. God had commanded

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<v S2>Israel to appear before him three times each year at

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<v S2>the place he will choose, and the city ultimately chosen

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<v S2>was Jerusalem. It was this place, David says, to which

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<v S2>the tribes go up, even the tribes of the Lord.

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<v S2>An ordinance for Israel to give thanks to the name

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<v S2>of the Lord. Jerusalem was also the city selected by

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<v S2>God to be the capital of the United Kingdom, the

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<v S2>city from which his chosen king was to reign. It

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<v S2>was the place where, he says, the thrones of the

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<v S2>house of David were set up. Jerusalem became the city

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<v S2>where God visibly dwelt among his people, and the city

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<v S2>where God's anointed ruler led his people. Having explained why

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<v S2>all the people were so joyously streaming into this city,

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<v S2>David ended his short psalm by calling on these visitors

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<v S2>to pray for his holy city. Verses six and seven

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<v S2>explain what they're to pray for, and verses eight and

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<v S2>nine describe why those prayers are so important. The two

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<v S2>items all these visitors were asked to place on their

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<v S2>prayer list were peace and security. Pray for the peace

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<v S2>of Jerusalem. May peace be within your walls. And just

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<v S2>as important as peace is the second item of prayer security.

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<v S2>May those who love you be secure. May there be

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<v S2>security within your citadels and asking God for peace. David

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<v S2>is referring to more than just an absence of war

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<v S2>or violence. Peace. Shalom refers to the health, the wholeness,

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<v S2>the soundness and prosperity of the city. These pilgrims were

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<v S2>to pray that Jerusalem would experience all the blessing that

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<v S2>comes with a right relationship to the God dwelling in

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<v S2>its midst, and one key aspect. That shalom would be

0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:47.479
<v S2>physical security. May you be secure personally and may that

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<v S2>same security dwell within her walls. Physical well-being and physical safety.

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<v S2>Two important items of prayer. David then ended his psalm

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<v S2>with a practical application why should all these pilgrims pray

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<v S2>for the peace of Jerusalem? First? David said, it was

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<v S2>for the sake of my brothers and friends. Peaceful, secure

0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:11.450
<v S2>conditions allowed these visitors to fulfill their obligation to gather

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<v S2>before God. A spiritually healthful and secure climate within the

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<v S2>city also allowed the kings to rule in a righteous way.

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<v S2>But second, David said that this divine peace and security

0:44:23.060 --> 0:44:26.299
<v S2>would also benefit God's program here on earth. For the

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<v S2>sake of the house of the Lord our God, I

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<v S2>will seek your prosperity. The word translated by some as

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<v S2>prosperity is the Hebrew word tov, which means good. It's

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<v S2>often used in the Old Testament to refer to something

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<v S2>that's agreeable or pleasing or pleasant or valuable, or appropriate

0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:46.760
<v S2>or right, as well as having a good benefit or welfare,

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<v S2>because God has chosen to place his dwelling in Jerusalem,

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<v S2>David says that he, and by extension, all of us,

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<v S2>should seek what's best for the safety, security and peace

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<v S2>of Jerusalem because it's the place that God selected in

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<v S2>this special way. In many ways, David's words at the

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<v S2>end of Psalm 122 parallel Paul's words in first Timothy two,

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<v S2>verses 1 to 4. First of all, then I urge

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<v S2>that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings be made on

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<v S2>behalf of all men, for kings and all who are

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<v S2>in authority, in order that we may lead a tranquil

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<v S2>and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. This is

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<v S2>good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,

0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:29.120
<v S2>who desires all men to be saved and to come

0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:32.960
<v S2>to the knowledge of the truth. Prayer for peace, for tranquil,

0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:36.739
<v S2>quiet lives is pleasing to God and helps keep his

0:45:36.739 --> 0:45:40.070
<v S2>good news from being hindered. Well, it sounds like the

0:45:40.070 --> 0:45:43.310
<v S2>pulsating parade of waving flags has passed us by so

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<v S2>we can head back out onto the streets of Jerusalem.

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<v S2>But as we get ready to go, what can you

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<v S2>carry along with you from Jerusalem Day and Psalm 122? First,

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<v S2>how about this God wants us to pray for his

0:45:55.880 --> 0:45:59.270
<v S2>peace on this special city. We know that ultimate peace

0:45:59.270 --> 0:46:02.840
<v S2>won't come until the Prince of Peace arrives, so perhaps

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<v S2>our prayer ought to match that of the Apostle John

0:46:05.690 --> 0:46:08.330
<v S2>at the end of the book of Revelation. When Jesus

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<v S2>said he was coming quickly, John responded, Amen. Even so, come,

0:46:12.530 --> 0:46:16.280
<v S2>Lord Jesus. And then second, how about also committing to

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<v S2>pray for Jerusalem and Israel as well as your own

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<v S2>city and state and country? Ask God to help you

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<v S2>be an instrument of his Shalom, his peace to those

0:46:25.430 --> 0:46:28.610
<v S2>around you. As Jesus said in the sermon on the Mount,

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<v S2>blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons

0:46:31.940 --> 0:46:32.690
<v S2>of God.

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<v S1>I like that thought, an instrument of his shalom, his peace.

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<v S1>It's a great way to land this devotional and to

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<v S1>end today's broadcast. Thanks for listening to the land and

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<v S1>the book with our host, Charlie Dyer. For Dan Anderson,

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<v S1>our producer, I'm John Geiger, inviting you to invite a

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<v S1>friend to be with you next time for the Land

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<v S1>and the book, a production of Moody Radio, a ministry

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<v S1>of Moody Bible Institute.