WEBVTT - What Happens Next? - Part 2 0:00:08.060 --> 0:00:11.420 There's an end coming, you know. Our spinning globe has 0:00:11.420 --> 0:00:14.600 an end date as certain as the expiration date on 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:18.500 a milk carton. Now, should that sour our stomachs or 0:00:18.500 --> 0:00:21.860 bring us comfort, just how should we respond? Well, these 0:00:21.860 --> 0:00:23.660 are the questions we're going to dig into in just 0:00:23.660 --> 0:00:26.660 a minute as we talk with special guest Max Lucado. 0:00:26.690 --> 0:00:29.600 Welcome to the land and the book from Moody Radio. 0:00:29.630 --> 0:00:33.320 Our host, author and Israel expert, Doctor Charlie Dyer. I'm 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:36.620 John Geiger. Charlie Fall is here again. And that means 0:00:36.620 --> 0:00:39.769 the Jewish high holidays are just around the corner. These 0:00:39.770 --> 0:00:42.589 biblical feasts have been celebrated for thousands of years, but 0:00:42.590 --> 0:00:45.920 this year, of course, has added weight and significance as 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.010 Jewish people around the world mark one year since that 0:00:49.010 --> 0:00:51.710 brutal attack on Israel by Hamas terrorists. 0:00:51.740 --> 0:00:54.620 Yeah, absolutely. That's why our friends at Life in Messiah 0:00:54.620 --> 0:00:57.230 want to help you learn more about the fall feasts, 0:00:57.230 --> 0:01:00.120 the significance they have for us as believers in Jesus 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.300 and how to stand with Jewish people during this time. 0:01:03.300 --> 0:01:07.170 They're offering a live zoom teaching session where they're knowledgeable. 0:01:07.170 --> 0:01:10.620 Field staff will walk you through the history and significance 0:01:10.620 --> 0:01:13.500 of the Feast of Trumpets, the Day of Atonement, and 0:01:13.500 --> 0:01:16.680 the Feast of Tabernacles. You'll also hear how you can 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:19.560 use these holidays as a point of connection with your 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:23.160 Jewish friends and neighbors, to show and share the love 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:26.309 of Jesus with them. To sign up for this free teaching, 0:01:26.310 --> 0:01:28.590 all you have to do is visit Life in Messiah. 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:31.590 Org and click on the Moody Radio logo there to 0:01:31.620 --> 0:01:34.680 sign up. Be sure to sign up today to discover 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:39.360 the fascinating connections between these feasts and Jesus at Life 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:41.610 in messiah.org. 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:44.040 And now a look at current events from the Middle East. 0:01:44.069 --> 0:01:48.720 Story number one fighting between Israel and Hezbollah continues to escalate, 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.510 as we saw this week. Is Israel planning to take 0:01:51.510 --> 0:01:54.750 on Hezbollah militarily, or will the conflict in the North 0:01:54.750 --> 0:01:57.960 remain at sort of a low level for the foreseeable future? 0:01:57.980 --> 0:02:00.770 Well that conflict in the north is heating up. Prime 0:02:00.770 --> 0:02:04.400 Minister Netanyahu has said the situation can't continue, with over 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:08.750 60,000 Israelis still living as refugees from their own homes 0:02:08.750 --> 0:02:12.410 and towns. Hours after Israel foiled a second plot by 0:02:12.410 --> 0:02:16.370 Hezbollah to kill a former senior defense minister, thousands of 0:02:16.370 --> 0:02:20.840 encrypted pagers used by Hezbollah exploded, killing 12 and wounding 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:26.180 nearly 3000, including some top officials. Israel hasn't claimed responsibility, 0:02:26.180 --> 0:02:28.670 but this has all the earmarks of one of their 0:02:28.669 --> 0:02:33.799 clandestine operations. Several other events also suggest a major conflict 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:37.160 could be close at hand. This past week, Israel's defense 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:40.429 minister met with both the US secretary of defense and 0:02:40.430 --> 0:02:43.100 a senior US adviser who's been trying to broker a 0:02:43.100 --> 0:02:46.010 deal with Hezbollah. He stressed that the time for a 0:02:46.010 --> 0:02:50.180 diplomatic solution is running out. Israel's top general in the 0:02:50.180 --> 0:02:53.750 north has been actively pushing to begin the ground operation, 0:02:53.750 --> 0:02:56.359 and some of the forces that were fighting in Gaza 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:59.660 are now being moved to the north, with the winter 0:02:59.660 --> 0:03:02.420 rainy season set to begin in October. The time to 0:03:02.419 --> 0:03:05.750 move forward is before bad weather sets in. In fact, 0:03:05.750 --> 0:03:09.230 the first rain of the year actually fell this past Tuesday, 0:03:09.230 --> 0:03:12.080 reminding them that the time is short. The US is 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:15.260 trying to keep Israel from attacking at least until after 0:03:15.260 --> 0:03:18.800 our presidential elections. But if Israel waits too long, it 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:21.859 could be another six months before the weather would cooperate 0:03:21.860 --> 0:03:25.490 to make a full scale land and air operation possible. 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:29.450 The Israeli attack on Hezbollah missile positions on August 25th 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:32.780 was a major success, with Israel destroying the majority of 0:03:32.780 --> 0:03:36.440 rockets and drones being prepared by Hezbollah before they could 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:40.010 be fired. And last weekend, Israel launched a surprise attack 0:03:40.010 --> 0:03:44.150 in Syria, destroying an Iranian missile production facility built to 0:03:44.180 --> 0:03:48.380 provide Hezbollah with precision missiles. There are three major differences 0:03:48.380 --> 0:03:53.090 between an attack against Hezbollah versus the war against Hamas. First, 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:56.720 Hamas had the element of surprise. They captured all those hostages, 0:03:56.720 --> 0:04:00.230 which complicated the way Israel could respond. Well, that's not 0:04:00.230 --> 0:04:03.589 true here. By moving Israelis off the border to the north. 0:04:03.620 --> 0:04:08.330 Israel kept Hezbollah from capturing civilian hostages. A second, the 0:04:08.330 --> 0:04:11.900 fight in Gaza was in a densely populated urban area, 0:04:11.900 --> 0:04:14.180 but much of the region in the north, not all 0:04:14.180 --> 0:04:18.950 but much, is more mountainous and less populated. The third difference, however, 0:04:18.950 --> 0:04:22.730 is that Hezbollah has more sophisticated rockets and drones and 0:04:22.730 --> 0:04:25.040 as a result will be a more formidable foe. 0:04:25.070 --> 0:04:29.180 Story number two as America focuses on our upcoming elections, 0:04:29.180 --> 0:04:32.780 the U.S. appears to be quietly shifting its priorities in 0:04:32.779 --> 0:04:35.989 the Middle East. What's happening and what impact could this 0:04:35.990 --> 0:04:37.220 have on Israel? 0:04:37.250 --> 0:04:39.589 Yeah, and it actually started more than a decade ago. 0:04:39.620 --> 0:04:42.169 The U.S. began shifting its focus from the Middle East 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:44.839 to the Far East to protect against a growing threat 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.990 from China. Making a nuclear deal with Iran and pulling 0:04:47.990 --> 0:04:50.630 our forces out of Afghanistan were all part of that 0:04:50.630 --> 0:04:54.610 larger repositioning. However, things didn't go according to According to plan, 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.730 Iran has pushed to extend its control over large parts 0:04:57.730 --> 0:05:01.360 of the Middle East, while the Taliban have retaken Afghanistan. 0:05:01.390 --> 0:05:05.530 As a result, Israel remains stuck in a very bad neighborhood. 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:09.430 The US temporarily re-engaged to help Israel face the threatened 0:05:09.430 --> 0:05:12.669 attacks from Iran and Hezbollah, but now things could be 0:05:12.670 --> 0:05:16.000 changing again. The US and Iraq have reached an understanding 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:19.180 on plans to withdraw US forces from Iraq over the 0:05:19.180 --> 0:05:22.870 next year, while they've been there officially to fight against ISIS. 0:05:22.900 --> 0:05:25.839 They've also served as a blocking force to stop Iran's 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:29.440 push to the west. Iran linked groups continue to attack 0:05:29.470 --> 0:05:32.469 US forces in Iraq, including a recent attack on a 0:05:32.470 --> 0:05:36.190 US diplomatic compound in the Baghdad airport. The US had 0:05:36.190 --> 0:05:39.310 positioned two aircraft carriers in the region as a warning 0:05:39.339 --> 0:05:43.300 to Iran against attacking Israel, but one of those carriers 0:05:43.330 --> 0:05:46.930 is now being sent home in Jordan's elections this past week. 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:51.370 Islamists affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood made significant gains in parliament. 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:55.979 Their political goals include supporting Hamas and scrapping Jordan's peace 0:05:55.980 --> 0:05:59.820 treaty with Israel and in Afghanistan. The Taliban have allowed 0:05:59.820 --> 0:06:04.050 two of Osama bin Laden's sons to re-establish Al-Qaeda bases 0:06:04.050 --> 0:06:06.990 once again. The bottom line here is that as the 0:06:06.990 --> 0:06:09.779 US pulls back from its leadership role in the Middle East, 0:06:09.779 --> 0:06:13.200 the holes were leaving behind are being filled by Islamic 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:16.710 fundamentalist groups. Israel could end up feeling as if we're 0:06:16.710 --> 0:06:20.099 abandoning them to face these threats alone. And that would 0:06:20.100 --> 0:06:20.970 not be good. 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.460 Not at all. This is the land and the book 0:06:23.460 --> 0:06:26.700 from Moody Radio. Our host, Doctor Charlie Dyer, has traveled 0:06:26.700 --> 0:06:28.710 to the Holy Land more than 100 times. He's been 0:06:28.710 --> 0:06:31.200 to Iraq, he's been to Jordan, he's been to Turkey. 0:06:31.230 --> 0:06:34.770 He understands what's at play here. Story number three. Still, 0:06:34.770 --> 0:06:38.280 another project has surfaced to bring help to restore the 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.430 water level of the Dead Sea. What's so unusual about 0:06:41.430 --> 0:06:44.280 this latest proposal, Charlie? And does it have any chance 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:45.690 of becoming reality? 0:06:45.690 --> 0:06:48.960 Well, several things make this project unique. First, it seeks 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:51.510 to bring water from the Mediterranean rather than the Red 0:06:51.540 --> 0:06:54.299 sea to the Dead Sea. And second, it wants to 0:06:54.330 --> 0:06:57.750 combine technologies to use green energy to make the project 0:06:57.750 --> 0:07:01.980 both sustainable and ecologically beneficial. It starts with the reality 0:07:01.980 --> 0:07:05.670 that the Dead Sea is actually 1400 feet below sea level. 0:07:05.700 --> 0:07:08.220 The plan is to install a series of pumping stations 0:07:08.220 --> 0:07:11.340 to bring water from the Mediterranean into the hill country, 0:07:11.340 --> 0:07:15.060 where several desalination plants would be built. The fresh water 0:07:15.060 --> 0:07:18.090 produced by the plants would enter a large reservoir, while 0:07:18.090 --> 0:07:20.790 the brine left over would be temporarily stored in special 0:07:20.790 --> 0:07:24.330 pools during the day. The pumping stations would use electricity 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:27.240 from solar panels, then at night, the brine would be 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.000 released from the pools to flow down into the Dead Sea, 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:32.369 and along the way the brine would cascade through a 0:07:32.370 --> 0:07:37.740 series of hydropower stations to generate additional electricity. The electricity 0:07:37.770 --> 0:07:40.620 from the solar panels and the energy from the hydropower 0:07:40.620 --> 0:07:43.920 stations would more than offset the energy needed to pump 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:47.250 the water up to the desalination plants. So what are 0:07:47.250 --> 0:07:49.830 the chances of this ever becoming a reality? Well, the 0:07:49.830 --> 0:07:53.610 researchers stress stressed the benefits, including additional fresh water, halting 0:07:53.610 --> 0:07:55.830 the decline in the water level at the Dead Sea, 0:07:55.830 --> 0:07:59.970 and possibly doing all this with a project that's energy self-sufficient. 0:07:59.970 --> 0:08:03.270 But the project now needs to move into scientific trials 0:08:03.270 --> 0:08:05.820 to see if it can accomplish its goals. And then 0:08:05.850 --> 0:08:08.160 Israel would need to determine how it can pay for 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:10.470 such a project at a time when its economy is 0:08:10.470 --> 0:08:13.290 taking a beating from the war. Now, all that to say, 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.950 don't expect this engineering marvel anytime soon. 0:08:16.980 --> 0:08:20.520 Well, an Israeli father's quest to help his son has 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:24.210 led to a new stroke recovery technology. Tell us about 0:08:24.210 --> 0:08:26.820 this encouraging story out of amazing Israel. 0:08:26.850 --> 0:08:29.610 And this really is an encouraging story. It began when 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:32.819 an Israeli physicist had a son who, at the age 0:08:32.820 --> 0:08:36.570 of three months, was diagnosed with a rare neurological disorder. 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.930 The father decided to devote his energy, his passion, his 0:08:39.929 --> 0:08:43.770 intellect into finding an effective treatment. Now he's still searching 0:08:43.770 --> 0:08:46.230 for that cure for his son. But in the process, 0:08:46.230 --> 0:08:49.890 he made some remarkable discoveries about the brain's ability to 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:53.550 repair itself. And in fact, it's resulted in treatment proven 0:08:53.550 --> 0:08:56.730 to help stroke victims. Now, he believes this same technology 0:08:56.730 --> 0:09:01.829 will at some point be able to help people with depression, PTSD, ADHD, 0:09:01.860 --> 0:09:07.050 spinal cord injuries and traumatic brain injuries and familial dysautonomia, 0:09:07.170 --> 0:09:09.810 the condition that impacts his son. Now, he's developed a 0:09:09.809 --> 0:09:14.699 cloud based brainwave helmet that activates a low intensity electromagnetic 0:09:14.700 --> 0:09:19.080 field around a patient's head. The artificial brainwaves mimic healthy 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:22.559 neural networks to encourage the growth of new links between 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:26.190 brain cells. The company he started is called brain Q, 0:09:26.220 --> 0:09:29.040 that is, brain with a letter Q following it. The 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.949 helmet has been approved by the European Union, has been 0:09:31.950 --> 0:09:34.710 designated by the US Food and Drug Administration as a 0:09:34.710 --> 0:09:38.610 breakthrough device in clinical trials in India. Patients who wore 0:09:38.610 --> 0:09:41.160 the helmet for 45 minutes a day for two months 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:44.610 recovered more quickly from strokes than those who did not. 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:47.700 The treatment doesn't affect the brain directly. It affects the 0:09:47.730 --> 0:09:52.109 ability of the brain to regenerate connections between cells. The 0:09:52.110 --> 0:09:53.850 father is still hopeful he's going to find a way 0:09:53.850 --> 0:09:57.839 to regrow neural links in people with his son's condition. Meanwhile, 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:01.650 he's gratified that technology has been able to aid stroke victims. 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:05.370 The dedication and compassion of this one father in amazing 0:10:05.370 --> 0:10:08.610 Israel is hopefully going to impact the lives of stroke 0:10:08.610 --> 0:10:10.800 victims around the world, but. 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.590 That's a great story, very encouraging, and we'll look forward 0:10:13.590 --> 0:10:15.870 to further developments there. Thank you, Charlie, and for the 0:10:15.870 --> 0:10:17.940 update on the news as well. You know, as you 0:10:17.940 --> 0:10:20.400 listen to the program, maybe you've never been to our website. 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:22.680 We welcome you to check it out. It's the Land 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:27.750 and the book.org. Program summaries, previews of things to come. 0:10:27.780 --> 0:10:30.179 Links to Charlie's books and a lot more at the 0:10:30.179 --> 0:10:35.189 land and the book.org. Well, what's happening next? Oh, not 0:10:35.190 --> 0:10:37.470 just in the program. I'm talking about the end of 0:10:37.470 --> 0:10:40.349 the world. It's coming. The question is, you know, what's 0:10:40.350 --> 0:10:43.050 going to happen for you personally? Are you ready for that? 0:10:43.050 --> 0:10:45.840 Should our stomachs sour when we think about these things 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:49.170 or be comforted. Our special guest, Max Lucado, sits down 0:10:49.170 --> 0:10:51.719 for a conversation you don't want to miss. That's next. 0:10:51.720 --> 0:11:09.059 Right here on the land and the book. There is 0:11:09.059 --> 0:11:12.150 an end coming, you know, an end to this age. 0:11:12.150 --> 0:11:15.179 In fact, this spinning globe of ours has an end 0:11:15.210 --> 0:11:18.780 date as certain as the expiration date on a milk carton. 0:11:18.780 --> 0:11:21.450 And could it be just as soon, hey, should that 0:11:21.450 --> 0:11:24.900 sour our stomachs or bring us comfort, just how should 0:11:24.900 --> 0:11:27.449 we respond? Well, these are the questions we'll dig into 0:11:27.450 --> 0:11:30.240 next as we talk with Max Lucado here on the 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:34.140 land and the book. Welcome. I'm John Gager, and before 0:11:34.140 --> 0:11:36.959 jumping into today's conversation, I want you to think with 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:40.050 me briefly about a creative idea for showing your Jewish 0:11:40.050 --> 0:11:44.160 friend something of the love of Jesus for them as 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:47.370 followers of Messiah, one of the wonderful texts that we 0:11:47.370 --> 0:11:50.490 love to refer to again and again by way of 0:11:50.490 --> 0:11:55.229 prophetic evidence from the Old Testament as Isaiah 53. And yet, 0:11:55.230 --> 0:11:57.510 if you've ever had a conversation with a Jewish friend, 0:11:57.540 --> 0:12:00.120 you're aware that many Jewish people look at that text 0:12:00.150 --> 0:12:02.880 quite a bit differently than we do. How do we 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:06.689 bridge the gap and understand their understanding? That's a question 0:12:06.690 --> 0:12:09.270 for Justin Crone of Chosen People Ministries. 0:12:09.300 --> 0:12:12.870 Well, a lot of Jewish people today believe is that 0:12:12.870 --> 0:12:17.880 Isaiah 53 is speaking of the nation of Israel, that 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:22.440 they are the suffering servant. And yes, in many respects, 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:26.850 the people of Israel throughout the centuries, including Israel today, 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:30.870 has suffered. But if you look at the context of 0:12:30.900 --> 0:12:35.280 that passage, it really seems to be clearly speaking of 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:38.100 an individual, of of a person. In fact, if you 0:12:38.130 --> 0:12:40.500 were to have a Jewish person who really doesn't know 0:12:40.500 --> 0:12:44.670 scripture all that well, read Isaiah 53. In my experience, 0:12:44.670 --> 0:12:47.760 nine times out of ten they say, oh, that's speaking 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:51.210 of Jesus. We also, I think, really need to note 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.270 here too, that it wasn't until a thousand years or 0:12:54.270 --> 0:12:57.780 so after the time of Jesus that the normative view 0:12:57.809 --> 0:13:01.500 within the Jewish community was that Isaiah 53 was speaking 0:13:01.500 --> 0:13:05.189 of Israel. So prior to that time, uh, there was 0:13:05.190 --> 0:13:07.559 debate over it. In fact, the closer you get to 0:13:07.590 --> 0:13:10.860 the time of Jesus, the consensus was that Isaiah 53 0:13:10.860 --> 0:13:14.070 was speaking of a person, not the nation of Israel. 0:13:14.070 --> 0:13:17.760 That's Justin Crone helping us see Isaiah 53 through the 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:20.970 eyes of your Jewish friend today on the land and 0:13:20.970 --> 0:13:25.740 the book. If you haven't read one of Max Lucado's books, 0:13:25.740 --> 0:13:29.640 you are in a shockingly small minority and you've missed out. 0:13:29.670 --> 0:13:32.640 Max has the unique ability to share the plain truths 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:35.219 of the Bible, but also comfort us with the kindness 0:13:35.220 --> 0:13:39.570 of Christ. It's a recipe so effective 150 million of 0:13:39.570 --> 0:13:42.300 his titles have been sold. Max is also a Bible 0:13:42.330 --> 0:13:45.569 teacher at Oak Hills Church in San Antonio, Texas. And 0:13:45.570 --> 0:13:49.110 we're here today to continue our conversation about his first 0:13:49.110 --> 0:13:52.620 full book on the end times, What Happens Next? A 0:13:52.620 --> 0:13:55.770 Traveler's Guide to the end of the age. Thanks for 0:13:55.770 --> 0:13:57.059 connecting again, Max. 0:13:57.090 --> 0:14:00.630 Oh, it's my privilege, John. It's just a joy to 0:14:00.660 --> 0:14:03.599 be on your program, and I'm very honored to spend 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:04.710 this time with you. 0:14:04.740 --> 0:14:08.580 You've written so many devotional books, people might wonder why 0:14:08.580 --> 0:14:11.370 this book now? Why write it at this time? 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:15.510 I found, you know, on my next birthday will require 0:14:15.540 --> 0:14:18.540 70 candles on a cake. And I don't know if 0:14:18.540 --> 0:14:21.359 any cake can hold that many. But as I've gotten 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:24.360 older and my bald spots gotten bigger and my hair's 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:28.170 gotten grayer and my gate's gotten slower, I find myself, John, 0:14:28.170 --> 0:14:34.320 just thinking about end times. I'm genuinely, personally curious what's 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:36.810 going to happen. You know, when I when I take 0:14:36.810 --> 0:14:39.930 my final breath, what's the next thing I will see 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:42.710 when my life is over on this earth. What awaits 0:14:42.710 --> 0:14:47.420 me in God's plan? And, um, I've always had those questions. 0:14:47.420 --> 0:14:50.990 But as I've gotten older, uh, realizing that so much 0:14:50.990 --> 0:14:53.450 more sand on the bottom of the hourglass than there 0:14:53.450 --> 0:14:58.070 is on the top, I have been personally very interested. 0:14:58.220 --> 0:15:01.910 And as I found myself reading and studying more, I 0:15:01.940 --> 0:15:05.960 found other people who are genuinely curious as well. Maybe 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:08.600 not because they're getting older, but. But just because they 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:11.510 look around the world and they see it such a mess. 0:15:11.510 --> 0:15:15.230 There's so much tragedy, so much heartache, and many of 0:15:15.230 --> 0:15:19.550 the prophecies that we read in Scripture we're seeing come true. 0:15:19.550 --> 0:15:23.300 And that's why so many people believe we are living 0:15:23.300 --> 0:15:26.690 in the end times or the end of the end times. 0:15:26.750 --> 0:15:28.760 I'm one of them, and it just makes sense. You know, 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:31.310 if you go on a trip, you want to know 0:15:31.310 --> 0:15:35.270 all you can about your destination. How much more as 0:15:35.300 --> 0:15:38.750 we're preparing for the next life, should we know all 0:15:38.750 --> 0:15:44.380 we can About what Christ has in store for his church. 0:15:44.410 --> 0:15:48.250 Well, despite the cataclysmic world events that we're seeing around us, 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:51.220 a lot of Americans still have it pretty good right now. 0:15:51.220 --> 0:15:54.790 And frankly, they can't get real excited about the return 0:15:54.820 --> 0:15:57.100 of Christ. It seems to me that's a problem. How 0:15:57.100 --> 0:15:59.680 do we realign our affections? 0:15:59.950 --> 0:16:03.580 That's really a great question. And maybe that's why, you know, 0:16:03.610 --> 0:16:08.200 the apostle Paul said, set your affections on things above. 0:16:08.230 --> 0:16:11.980 It's an act of discipleship, John, to set our affections 0:16:11.980 --> 0:16:15.460 on things above. To think about what is to come 0:16:15.460 --> 0:16:19.240 and not allow the blessings of this life, or the 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:23.500 burdens of this life to be the dominant thought of 0:16:23.500 --> 0:16:27.550 this life. Every good thing about your life, whether it 0:16:27.580 --> 0:16:31.180 be health or wealth, all of those good things that's 0:16:31.180 --> 0:16:34.420 going to pass away, all of these things are passing away. 0:16:34.420 --> 0:16:36.880 And also, I can say that just as quickly about 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:40.810 all the burdens in this life, the sickness or the 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:46.150 anxiety or the burdens, the bad relationships, those are going 0:16:46.180 --> 0:16:48.940 to pass away as well. We must see that this 0:16:48.940 --> 0:16:52.090 life is just a vapor. It's just here for a 0:16:52.090 --> 0:16:55.810 moment and then it's gone. It could not be any 0:16:55.810 --> 0:16:58.780 briefer than it is. I mean, it is an instant 0:16:58.780 --> 0:17:02.500 in comparison with eternity. So don't get too caught up 0:17:02.500 --> 0:17:05.650 in either what's good or what's bad about right now. 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:09.399 Let your focus be on what's about to happen, because 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:11.169 that's what's going to matter the most. 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:14.350 Max Lucado is a writer whose books you've read, and 0:17:14.350 --> 0:17:18.010 he joins us today on the Land and the book. Well, 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:22.300 God is certainly not captive to his own emotions still. 0:17:22.300 --> 0:17:23.800 And I don't want to, you know, beat this to 0:17:23.830 --> 0:17:26.169 a pulp. You can't help but wonder if he doesn't 0:17:26.170 --> 0:17:29.710 feel a sense of hurt over our lack of anticipation, 0:17:29.740 --> 0:17:32.919 our lack of excitement at the thought of what's to come. 0:17:32.950 --> 0:17:33.820 Your thoughts? 0:17:33.970 --> 0:17:36.310 I think we see that when Jesus, you know, on 0:17:36.340 --> 0:17:41.380 the one of his final messages before his own betrayal 0:17:41.380 --> 0:17:44.109 and crucifixion. You know, he looked out over the city 0:17:44.109 --> 0:17:48.429 of Jerusalem and said, Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you have stoned the 0:17:48.430 --> 0:17:51.850 prophets and the preachers. How many times would I have 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:55.240 gathered you as a as a hen gathers her chicks, 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:59.020 but you would not come? I hear a lot of sorrow, John, 0:17:59.020 --> 0:18:02.620 and in his voice. And I can't help but think 0:18:02.619 --> 0:18:05.859 that as he looks upon the earth and sees how 0:18:05.859 --> 0:18:11.170 quickly we are to turn to pleasures or possessions for 0:18:11.170 --> 0:18:14.920 our fulfillment. How often, he says, how many times have 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:18.460 I called you? How many times have I called you? 0:18:18.460 --> 0:18:22.210 And maybe somebody listening today, and you're sensing that nudging 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.940 of the spirit that's telling you to quit turning to 0:18:24.970 --> 0:18:29.980 stuff or to people or to approval for your satisfaction? 0:18:29.980 --> 0:18:32.860 It's not going to last. It doesn't work. It's not 0:18:32.859 --> 0:18:35.950 because God doesn't love you. It's just the opposite. He 0:18:35.950 --> 0:18:39.460 does love you and it's because he loves you. He's 0:18:39.460 --> 0:18:42.370 telling you, don't set your affections on things of the earth, 0:18:42.369 --> 0:18:46.030 but set them on things to come in heaven. 0:18:46.090 --> 0:18:48.910 There are others who genuinely want to feel excited about 0:18:48.910 --> 0:18:51.219 the end of the age and the coming of Christ, 0:18:51.220 --> 0:18:54.070 but they are either intimidated by what they read or 0:18:54.070 --> 0:18:56.650 just plain fearful. What's your counsel there? 0:18:56.950 --> 0:19:01.780 Well, I can understand because we're talking about, um, in 0:19:01.780 --> 0:19:05.710 the book I call prophecy the Serengeti of Scripture. It's vast, 0:19:05.710 --> 0:19:09.700 it's wild. And for many people, it's unexplored. And you're 0:19:09.700 --> 0:19:15.010 afraid of what awaits you. And yet prophecy, appropriately received 0:19:15.010 --> 0:19:18.700 and appropriately taught, is really a tool to encourage the church, 0:19:18.730 --> 0:19:22.719 not to intimidate the church. There are many books and 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:28.149 many Bible teachers who have an approachable form of prophecy. 0:19:28.180 --> 0:19:31.210 Now there are those, I understand. There are those who 0:19:31.210 --> 0:19:34.120 like to use prophecy and end times as a way 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:37.959 to Self-promote, just like they use other topics. So stay 0:19:38.020 --> 0:19:41.620 away from those, but find a trustworthy teacher. Find an 0:19:41.619 --> 0:19:45.790 approachable book. Find a sermon series and you'll you'll soon 0:19:45.820 --> 0:19:49.720 see there are differing opinions about a variety of things 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:53.740 like the millennium or the rapture. And that's okay. We 0:19:53.740 --> 0:19:56.770 all agree that Christ is coming, that the dead will 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:59.890 be living and will be reigning with him. That's what 0:19:59.890 --> 0:20:02.530 we all agree. We agree right there. Now, the other 0:20:02.530 --> 0:20:05.889 topics we're going to have discussions about until the until 0:20:05.890 --> 0:20:10.120 the Lord returns. But dive in, explore, and I think 0:20:10.150 --> 0:20:12.940 you'll you'll find your heart stirred as you try to 0:20:12.970 --> 0:20:15.520 imagine or envision what awaits us. 0:20:15.550 --> 0:20:19.240 What happens next? A Traveler's Guide to the end of 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:22.090 the age. That's our focus today on the land and 0:20:22.090 --> 0:20:25.270 the book. It is the latest from Max Lucado. I'm 0:20:25.270 --> 0:20:28.660 John Geiger, joined today by best selling author Max Lucado. 0:20:28.660 --> 0:20:31.419 And since you brought it up, many people wonder, Max, 0:20:31.420 --> 0:20:34.330 why couldn't God have been just a little bit more 0:20:34.330 --> 0:20:38.320 clear in laying out the future. Why so much imagery? 0:20:38.350 --> 0:20:41.830 Why so much left open for debate and discussion? 0:20:42.490 --> 0:20:46.630 My goodness, what a good question. You know, when I 0:20:46.630 --> 0:20:50.110 was growing up, you can probably tell by my Texas 0:20:50.109 --> 0:20:53.530 twang I can't quite get rid of it, but I 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:56.139 grew up in a small West Texas town, and and 0:20:56.140 --> 0:20:59.080 I remember my dad, uh, promising to take us on 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:02.770 a camping trip from the flatlands. And I mean, seriously 0:21:02.770 --> 0:21:07.150 flat as a skillet flatlands of West Texas to the 0:21:07.150 --> 0:21:11.020 Rocky Mountains. And, um, I recall we were, I think 0:21:11.020 --> 0:21:13.180 I was eight years old, and my dad sat my 0:21:13.180 --> 0:21:16.119 brother and me down and tried to describe what it 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:19.480 was going to be like to see mountains, to see 0:21:19.510 --> 0:21:22.570 big trees, to breathe thin air. And because he had 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:26.710 he had made several trips there. Well, I was just overwhelmed. 0:21:26.710 --> 0:21:28.810 I couldn't get my mind around it, you know, my 0:21:28.810 --> 0:21:31.630 little eight year old brain. Yeah. And, uh, I don't 0:21:31.660 --> 0:21:34.070 know if my dad said it, but somewhere either he 0:21:34.070 --> 0:21:36.560 said it or I thought it and that is just 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:39.170 got to trust him. Just got to trust the father. 0:21:39.170 --> 0:21:43.010 So maybe that's it. Maybe our little puny brains simply 0:21:43.010 --> 0:21:48.380 don't have the capacity to receive or embrace and comprehend 0:21:48.380 --> 0:21:52.010 all the great things that God has prepared for us. 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:55.940 I have found it to be a fascinating subject to study. 0:21:55.970 --> 0:21:59.930 I'm genuinely excited about it. Over the years, I think 0:21:59.930 --> 0:22:02.990 I've trends changed in some of my opinions. I know 0:22:02.990 --> 0:22:07.130 I have, and I've come to embrace a more literal 0:22:07.130 --> 0:22:10.160 interpretation of the book of Revelation as opposed to an 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:14.960 allegorical interpretation. And those are good exercises for us, John. 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:18.139 We need to work through those kind of questions. Again, 0:22:18.170 --> 0:22:20.900 it's where we're going to spend eternity. So it's very, 0:22:20.900 --> 0:22:24.619 very important. We do our best to try to understand 0:22:24.650 --> 0:22:26.510 what God has in store for us. 0:22:26.510 --> 0:22:29.869 So what's a good and godly way to resolve the 0:22:29.869 --> 0:22:34.120 disagreements believers sometimes have over which images in revelation are 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:37.420 metaphorical versus those that may be literal. 0:22:37.900 --> 0:22:42.100 Well, I lean literal, and here's why. You know, Daniel, 0:22:42.130 --> 0:22:45.939 the Old Testament prophet, was a prophet, of course. And 0:22:45.940 --> 0:22:49.060 Daniel chapter nine includes one of the great prayers of 0:22:49.060 --> 0:22:52.330 the Bible. And the reason that Daniel was praying is 0:22:52.330 --> 0:22:55.540 because he had read the prophecy from a prophet of 0:22:55.540 --> 0:22:59.800 a prior generation, and Jeremiah prophesied that the children of 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:04.030 Israel would be in captivity for 70 years. And so 0:23:04.060 --> 0:23:07.240 toward the end of those 70 years, more specifically, at 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:11.740 about year 67 or 68, Daniel prayed this prayer for 0:23:11.740 --> 0:23:14.889 God to keep his promise and deliver his people and 0:23:14.890 --> 0:23:19.179 return them to Jerusalem. So here's a prophet reading the 0:23:19.180 --> 0:23:22.600 words of a prophet teaching us how to interpret prophecy. 0:23:22.869 --> 0:23:25.480 Daniel didn't read the number 70 and say, well, that's 0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:28.750 probably allegorical or symbolic. He said, you know, that's a 0:23:28.750 --> 0:23:31.490 real number. So when I flip my Bible over to 0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:36.290 revelation chapter 20 and read about a thousand year reign 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:39.830 of Christ, I used to interpret that as a symbol 0:23:39.830 --> 0:23:43.310 or a picture. No longer John, I say, well, I 0:23:43.310 --> 0:23:46.760 think Daniel would have said, if John says a thousand years, 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:49.669 then I'm going to reign with Christ for a thousand years. 0:23:49.670 --> 0:23:53.060 And so I came to embrace that as my tool 0:23:53.060 --> 0:23:58.130 in understanding prophecy. I lean literal now, not always can 0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:00.980 we do that, but when possible, and unless there's a 0:24:00.980 --> 0:24:04.490 prevailing reason not to, I try to lean literal in 0:24:04.490 --> 0:24:07.040 my understanding of prophetic books. 0:24:07.190 --> 0:24:10.790 Well, we're talking with Max Lucado about what happens next. 0:24:10.820 --> 0:24:14.000 It's a traveler's guide to the end of the age. 0:24:14.030 --> 0:24:17.240 You've got, let's say, 30s. It seems to me the 0:24:17.240 --> 0:24:19.460 number one thing we have to do to be ready 0:24:19.490 --> 0:24:23.149 is to know Jesus, to receive Jesus as Savior. Talk 0:24:23.150 --> 0:24:25.820 to that listener right now who's been dancing on the edges, 0:24:25.850 --> 0:24:29.239 is interested, but has never really crossed that bridge. What 0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:30.260 would you say to them? 0:24:30.650 --> 0:24:33.110 I would say cross has done all the work. He's 0:24:33.109 --> 0:24:36.440 done the heavy lifting. He came for you. He showed 0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:39.350 his love for you. He taught you. He died for you. 0:24:39.350 --> 0:24:41.600 And he raised from the dead to show you that 0:24:41.600 --> 0:24:45.470 he has authority over life and death. So trusting. All 0:24:45.470 --> 0:24:48.260 you need to do is turn your heart to him. 0:24:48.290 --> 0:24:51.590 Say a simple prayer like, Lord, I'm a sinner, I 0:24:51.590 --> 0:24:55.280 admit it. I need a Savior, I trust you, I 0:24:55.310 --> 0:24:58.280 give you my heart. In Jesus name. 0:24:58.609 --> 0:25:02.270 Amen. And if you just prayed that prayer, we welcome 0:25:02.270 --> 0:25:06.950 your email to the land and the book@moody.edu. That's the 0:25:06.950 --> 0:25:13.159 land and the book@moody.edu. Speaking of books, Max's is titled 0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:15.919 What Happens Next? A Traveler's Guide to the end of 0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:18.379 the age. We'll link you to that book when you 0:25:18.380 --> 0:25:23.060 visit our website. The land and the book.org. It has 0:25:23.060 --> 0:25:24.920 been a pleasure to speak with you the last couple 0:25:24.950 --> 0:25:27.410 of weeks. Max, thanks for carving out time to be 0:25:27.410 --> 0:25:28.250 with us. 0:25:28.340 --> 0:25:30.980 John, it's my privilege. I hope we get to do 0:25:30.980 --> 0:25:32.000 it again someday. 0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:34.160 And we're looking forward to more. There's more in this 0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:36.380 series than just this book, I understand. 0:25:36.560 --> 0:25:40.609 We're going to keep revealing. And as God reveals to us, 0:25:40.609 --> 0:25:43.850 keep writing and and revealing. So I pray that it'll 0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:45.350 be an encouragement to others. 0:25:45.350 --> 0:25:47.929 That's Max Lucado here on the land and the book. 0:25:47.930 --> 0:25:50.270 We're coming up. It's a visit with our friend Doctor 0:25:50.270 --> 0:25:53.330 Charlie Dyer and his answers to your Bible questions. That's 0:25:53.359 --> 0:26:07.730 next on the land and the book. Welcome back to 0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:10.970 the land and the book. Fall is here. And that 0:26:10.970 --> 0:26:14.600 means the Jewish High Holidays are right around the corner. 0:26:14.630 --> 0:26:17.899 These biblical feasts have been celebrated for thousands of years, 0:26:17.900 --> 0:26:21.440 but this year kind of has added weight, added significance 0:26:21.440 --> 0:26:24.980 because Jewish people around the world are marking one year 0:26:24.980 --> 0:26:28.429 since the brutal attack on Israel by Hamas terrorists. 0:26:28.460 --> 0:26:30.980 Yeah, John, that's why our friends at Life in Messiah 0:26:30.980 --> 0:26:33.410 want to help you learn more about the fall feasts, 0:26:33.410 --> 0:26:36.080 the significance they have for us as believers in Jesus, 0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:39.439 and how to stand with Jewish people during this time. 0:26:39.470 --> 0:26:43.100 They're offering a live zoom teaching session where their knowledgeable 0:26:43.100 --> 0:26:46.760 field staff will walk you through the history and significance 0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:49.640 of the Feast of Trumpets, the Day of Atonement, and 0:26:49.640 --> 0:26:52.610 the Feast of Tabernacles. You'll also hear how you can 0:26:52.609 --> 0:26:55.370 use these holidays as a point of connection with your 0:26:55.369 --> 0:26:58.730 Jewish friends and neighbors, to show and share the love 0:26:58.730 --> 0:27:01.850 of Jesus with them. To sign up for this free teaching, 0:27:01.850 --> 0:27:05.030 all you have to do is visit Life in Messiah org. 0:27:05.030 --> 0:27:07.970 Click on the Moody Radio logo and sign up. Be 0:27:07.970 --> 0:27:11.240 sure to sign up today and discover the fascinating connection 0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:16.670 between these feasts and Jesus at Life in messiah.org. 0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:19.760 And with that, we'll dig into our question and answer segment, 0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:23.210 beginning with somebody who's a bit of a critic. Charlie 0:27:23.330 --> 0:27:27.110 Williams says, I disagree with people like you, David Jeremiah, 0:27:27.140 --> 0:27:32.180 Michael Wright, and others who only give generalizations on Bible prophecy, 0:27:32.210 --> 0:27:35.960 you don't know or see the details happening before your eyes. 0:27:35.990 --> 0:27:39.950 For example, when the Bible prophesied and the Trump will sound, 0:27:39.950 --> 0:27:43.820 it was predicting President Trump would declare Jerusalem the capital 0:27:43.820 --> 0:27:48.080 of Israel. So many theologians, churches and Christians are just 0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:51.350 blind to what is happening. Charlie, your reactions? 0:27:51.350 --> 0:27:54.020 Well, I'm happy to be associated with Michael Rolnick and 0:27:54.020 --> 0:27:56.930 David Jeremiah. In fact, I would issue a caution right now. 0:27:56.960 --> 0:27:59.690 I'd caution you to be very careful about reading into 0:27:59.690 --> 0:28:02.480 the Word of God by pulling words and phrases out 0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:05.180 of context. I see two major dangers in the way 0:28:05.210 --> 0:28:10.160 some people approach Bible prophecy. Some become prophetic agnostics. They're 0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:13.369 afraid to accept the reality that God did predict events 0:28:13.369 --> 0:28:16.490 that are future. In Second Peter three, Peter talks about 0:28:16.490 --> 0:28:19.429 those who say, where's the promise of his coming? For 0:28:19.430 --> 0:28:22.490 ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as 0:28:22.490 --> 0:28:25.430 it was from the beginning of creation. That's a danger. 0:28:25.430 --> 0:28:27.830 But the second danger is that some go the opposite 0:28:27.830 --> 0:28:32.300 direction and develop what I would call prophetic ADHD. They 0:28:32.300 --> 0:28:34.879 run from current event to current event and try to 0:28:34.910 --> 0:28:37.760 find each event in the Bible, pulling verses out of 0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:40.880 context to do so. Just for example, your reference to 0:28:40.910 --> 0:28:43.730 the trump will sound. It's only found in first Corinthians 0:28:43.730 --> 0:28:47.540 15 and it refers to the rapture, not to Mr. Trump. 0:28:47.570 --> 0:28:50.180 The bottom line is that God shared enough about the 0:28:50.180 --> 0:28:53.390 future to keep us from being unnerved by world events, 0:28:53.390 --> 0:28:56.060 but he left enough out to keep us walking by faith, 0:28:56.060 --> 0:28:59.450 not by sight. Take what God said literally, at face 0:28:59.450 --> 0:29:02.480 value in its context, and don't try to find some 0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:05.360 deeper hidden meaning. That's what I believe it means when 0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:07.850 we're told to be workmen who don't need to be ashamed, 0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:10.280 accurately handling the word of truth. 0:29:10.310 --> 0:29:14.060 Deb has a question for us about dates in biblical history. 0:29:14.060 --> 0:29:17.240 In First Kings, chapter six, Solomon began to construct the 0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:20.870 temple in the fourth year of his reign, 480 years 0:29:20.870 --> 0:29:23.630 after the people of Israel were rescued from slavery in 0:29:23.630 --> 0:29:27.890 Egypt in Acts 1317 through 20. In Paul's sermon at 0:29:27.890 --> 0:29:32.720 Antioch in Pisidia, he said all this took about 450 years. 0:29:32.750 --> 0:29:35.600 Talking about the 40 years in the wilderness, plus the 0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:38.720 destroying of seven nations and Canaan, and giving their land 0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:41.930 to Israel as an inheritance. So how can these dates 0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:43.220 be reconciled? 0:29:43.340 --> 0:29:45.620 Well, I think the key is recognizing that they can 0:29:45.620 --> 0:29:48.830 be harmonized. If we look at two things. First, first 0:29:48.830 --> 0:29:52.700 Kings six one. The 480 years is an exact time. 0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:55.100 It's a timestamp in the Bible that marks the length 0:29:55.100 --> 0:29:57.560 of time between when Israel came out of the land 0:29:57.560 --> 0:30:01.790 of Egypt. That's 1446 B.C., and the date when Solomon 0:30:01.790 --> 0:30:04.460 began to build the house of the Lord. That was 0:30:04.460 --> 0:30:07.850 966 BC. It's one of the fixed dates we have 0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:10.820 that actually helps us date the time of the Exodus. Now, 0:30:10.820 --> 0:30:14.210 in acts 13, Paul is giving a broad historical overview 0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:17.780 covering three connected time periods. He talks about Israel's stay 0:30:17.780 --> 0:30:20.960 in the land of Egypt, the Exodus and the time 0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:23.960 of the conquest when God overthrew the nations in Canaan. 0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:27.800 So Paul, starting with Israel's entrance into Egypt and ending 0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:31.370 with Joshua's conquest twice. In those verses, Paul uses the 0:30:31.370 --> 0:30:35.330 Greek word hosts, which is translated about indicating he's speaking 0:30:35.330 --> 0:30:38.960 in a broad, general time frame. And in that broad sense, 0:30:38.990 --> 0:30:42.020 Israel's sojourn in Egypt, its time in the wilderness and 0:30:42.020 --> 0:30:46.700 its years of conquest under Joshua did take about 450 years. 0:30:46.700 --> 0:30:50.810 So basically one passage is very specific and focuses on 0:30:50.810 --> 0:30:52.850 time all the way down to the time of Solomon. 0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:55.940 The other passage is more general. Each one is referring 0:30:55.970 --> 0:30:58.790 to a different starting point and a different ending point 0:30:58.790 --> 0:31:00.050 in the accounts. 0:31:00.230 --> 0:31:03.440 Sharon says, I'm teaching job, and a question came up 0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:06.380 about what it means to curse God. We spoke about 0:31:06.380 --> 0:31:08.540 blessing God, then went on to cursing. And as I 0:31:08.540 --> 0:31:10.880 got into the study of cursing, I learned there are 0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:14.600 six common words for curse. What is God teaching us 0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:17.390 by using all these different words for curse? 0:31:17.420 --> 0:31:20.570 Yeah, and a lot of the words are synonymous, just 0:31:20.570 --> 0:31:22.730 like we have synonyms in our language. But I did 0:31:22.730 --> 0:31:25.100 find something fascinating in all this. Let me start with 0:31:25.100 --> 0:31:27.650 the words that are found in chapters one and two. 0:31:27.770 --> 0:31:29.870 This might come as a surprise, but one word is 0:31:29.870 --> 0:31:32.900 used there three times. It's actually the normal Hebrew word 0:31:32.900 --> 0:31:35.900 for bless. It comes from the idea of kneeling down. 0:31:35.900 --> 0:31:38.450 And while that's how the word is used most often, 0:31:38.450 --> 0:31:42.979 it can be rather infrequently, like here mean just the opposite. 0:31:43.010 --> 0:31:45.410 An illustration in English would be something like a person 0:31:45.410 --> 0:31:48.890 who's extremely disappointed in what someone's done for them, and 0:31:48.890 --> 0:31:53.060 they respond by saying sarcastically, that's great, thanks a lot. Well, 0:31:53.060 --> 0:31:54.800 the tone of their voice makes it clear it's not 0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:57.740 great and they're not thankful. The bottom line is, though, 0:31:57.770 --> 0:32:00.350 most of the words for curse are just synonyms in 0:32:00.350 --> 0:32:03.770 the Bible. But the most unusual aspect in job, especially 0:32:03.770 --> 0:32:06.860 is that word used in chapters one and two. That's 0:32:06.860 --> 0:32:10.490 translated curse, but really means bless. And it's used in 0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:14.390 that context by Satan twice and once by job's wife. 0:32:14.390 --> 0:32:16.880 And I think in all three cases there's a strong 0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:18.810 sense of sarcasm being used. 0:32:18.810 --> 0:32:21.270 Well with all the options you have in listening today, 0:32:21.270 --> 0:32:24.030 whether online or on air. Here you are with us 0:32:24.030 --> 0:32:26.280 at The Land and the book. And we're honored that 0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:28.620 you've chosen to do that. Thank you for your company. 0:32:28.650 --> 0:32:32.370 Our host, doctor Charlie Dyer. I'm John Gager. Buddy wants 0:32:32.370 --> 0:32:35.490 to know our Bible study group is studying Genesis. We're 0:32:35.490 --> 0:32:37.320 in chapter one. Can you give us any of your 0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:41.610 ideas or comments on issues such as the dinosaurs and 0:32:41.610 --> 0:32:44.400 their timing, how they fit into the biblical account? The 0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:48.570 worldview is that dinosaurs died much earlier than Adam was formed, 0:32:48.570 --> 0:32:51.120 and that brings up the issue of when did death 0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:54.510 enter the world before or after Adam and Eve's fall? 0:32:54.510 --> 0:32:58.140 And how did sin enter God's world? Did he create 0:32:58.140 --> 0:33:01.020 it and allow sin to enter the world and tempt man, 0:33:01.020 --> 0:33:03.870 knowing that he would fail? How does all this work together? 0:33:03.900 --> 0:33:06.959 Yeah, I wish I could answer all those questions you asked. However, 0:33:06.990 --> 0:33:09.090 that would take up this whole program. Probably the next 0:33:09.090 --> 0:33:11.430 one as well. Now, when it comes to creation, though, 0:33:11.460 --> 0:33:15.209 I just accept the reality of the creation account in Genesis. 0:33:15.210 --> 0:33:18.810 I believe in a seven day A literal creation. However, 0:33:18.810 --> 0:33:21.300 I also don't believe we have all the details that 0:33:21.300 --> 0:33:24.240 we might need to answer all those questions. For example, 0:33:24.270 --> 0:33:28.020 God created angels before he created the universe as we 0:33:28.020 --> 0:33:31.470 know it. I think that's clear in job chapter 38, 0:33:31.650 --> 0:33:34.440 verses 1 to 7 there. God asked job. He says, 0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:36.780 where were you when I created the world? When the 0:33:36.780 --> 0:33:40.530 morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy. 0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:43.050 Now my point here is that the angels were evidently 0:33:43.050 --> 0:33:46.380 created before the creation of the world as we know it, 0:33:46.380 --> 0:33:49.650 that created order. That angelic order is also likely when 0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:52.710 Satan rebelled against God before the creation of the world 0:33:52.710 --> 0:33:55.260 as we see it. That's why an evil serpent can 0:33:55.290 --> 0:33:59.010 suddenly appear in the Garden of Eden right after creation. Now, 0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:01.560 could other animals, like dinosaurs, have been part of that 0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:05.219 earlier creation that was destroyed when God judged Satan and 0:34:05.220 --> 0:34:08.100 his followers? The answer is we don't know. Or could 0:34:08.100 --> 0:34:10.920 dinosaurs have existed on Earth prior to the time of 0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:12.960 the flood and died out with the flood and and 0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:15.990 climate change that took place at that time? Again, we 0:34:15.989 --> 0:34:18.450 don't know, but I'm content in knowing that there are 0:34:18.450 --> 0:34:22.020 at least two reasonable explanations that can help explain how 0:34:22.050 --> 0:34:24.990 dinosaur fossils came into being. Now, if I start with 0:34:24.989 --> 0:34:27.600 what the Bible clearly says, I end up with a 0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:30.480 seven day creation that fashioned the universe as we see 0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:33.750 it today. And that culminated in the creation of humanity. 0:34:33.750 --> 0:34:36.479 And I believe that that creation was marred when Adam 0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:38.940 and Eve sinned in the garden. And that's when sin 0:34:38.940 --> 0:34:41.819 and death entered our current world. Now, in terms of 0:34:41.820 --> 0:34:44.760 how sin entered the world, we do know that God's 0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:47.430 not the author of sin. In describing the fall of 0:34:47.430 --> 0:34:50.850 Satan in Ezekiel 28, God's very careful. He says about Satan. 0:34:50.850 --> 0:34:53.640 He says, you were blameless in your ways from the 0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:57.210 day you were created, till wickedness was found in you. 0:34:57.239 --> 0:35:01.230 God didn't create him evil. Satan chose to rebel against God. 0:35:01.230 --> 0:35:03.719 So I suggest you give yourself permission in your Bible 0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:06.089 study to say something like, you know, we don't have 0:35:06.090 --> 0:35:08.520 all the answers to all these questions. So at least 0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:10.650 right now, let's focus on what we do know and 0:35:10.650 --> 0:35:12.930 give ourselves permission to hold the other things off to 0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:16.290 the side until we have more information. Now here's also 0:35:16.290 --> 0:35:19.830 some good resources you asked about. The Institute for Creation 0:35:19.830 --> 0:35:23.070 Research is a great source online that can help and 0:35:23.070 --> 0:35:27.150 provide scientifically respectable answers in support of a young earth. 0:35:27.150 --> 0:35:30.390 And Henry Morris wrote a book called The Genesis Record. 0:35:30.540 --> 0:35:33.090 It's also a great commentary on the Book of Genesis 0:35:33.090 --> 0:35:36.480 that provides additional information, and you can find access to 0:35:36.510 --> 0:35:38.970 it at the Institute for Creation Research. 0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:42.390 I love Todd's question. Do you think the designation of 0:35:42.390 --> 0:35:46.740 Judah's kings as good or bad, corresponds to them having 0:35:46.739 --> 0:35:50.010 salvation or not? I know that everybody's a mixed bag, 0:35:50.010 --> 0:35:52.259 so I'm wondering about how the writer of First and 0:35:52.260 --> 0:35:55.950 Second Kings determined, under the Spirit's guidance, of course, what 0:35:55.950 --> 0:35:58.980 designation to give each king. Your thoughts? Yeah. 0:35:59.010 --> 0:36:00.480 I'm not sure we can say there's a one for 0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:04.470 one correspondence between that phrase and personal salvation. The phrase 0:36:04.500 --> 0:36:07.710 is a summary of the specific actions taken by each king, 0:36:07.710 --> 0:36:11.219 but were not given the details of their heart motivation. Now, 0:36:11.219 --> 0:36:13.859 in general, I probably assume that when they did evil 0:36:13.860 --> 0:36:15.330 in the sight of the Lord, or did what was 0:36:15.330 --> 0:36:17.820 right in the sight of the Lord, that does somehow 0:36:17.850 --> 0:36:21.570 translate spiritually. So I suspect there's at least some general 0:36:21.570 --> 0:36:24.990 summary there of their spiritual character. But just because someone's 0:36:24.989 --> 0:36:27.360 not saved, they can still live a good moral life. 0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:29.700 So it is possible that those kings who even did 0:36:29.700 --> 0:36:32.100 what was right may not spiritually have been in a 0:36:32.100 --> 0:36:34.680 right relationship with God. Though I like to think that 0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:35.340 they were. 0:36:35.370 --> 0:36:37.110 And that's a look at the questions that have come 0:36:37.110 --> 0:36:39.030 into us here at the land and the book. Again, 0:36:39.060 --> 0:36:44.730 our email address for your question. The land and the book@moody.edu. 0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:47.400 Our program isn't done. No. We got one more segment. 0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:50.430 It's Charlie's devotional. Stick around for that here on the 0:36:50.430 --> 0:37:06.060 land and the book. Let's be honest, there are things 0:37:06.060 --> 0:37:09.360 in life we dislike, strongly dislike. And then there are 0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:12.810 those things that we detest. Welcome back to the land 0:37:12.810 --> 0:37:15.570 and the book. I'm John Gager, confessing that one of 0:37:15.570 --> 0:37:19.080 those things I detest is creamed corn. I know it 0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:22.290 might be your favorite, but I detest creamed corn. We've 0:37:22.290 --> 0:37:25.830 had many a conversation about this around the office. But Charlie, 0:37:25.860 --> 0:37:28.320 some things are detestable to our God, and it's a 0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:31.080 whole lot more serious than a can of creamed corn. Right? 0:37:31.110 --> 0:37:32.189 Ah, you're right, John. 0:37:32.219 --> 0:37:35.070 Okay, that's the subject of your devotional, which takes us 0:37:35.070 --> 0:37:38.160 to Proverbs 15. I'm looking forward to that. After we 0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:41.790 listen to a Holy Land experience testimony, what does somebody 0:37:41.790 --> 0:37:44.670 who's been to Israel take back with them? Listen. 0:37:48.630 --> 0:37:51.569 Hi. My name is Beth. I'm from Texas and going 0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:55.980 to Hungary and seeing the waterfall and the difficulty of 0:37:55.980 --> 0:38:00.299 the passage for Ruth and Naomi. I've always loved that story, 0:38:00.300 --> 0:38:04.230 but it really deepened my understanding of the difficulties that 0:38:04.230 --> 0:38:09.870 Ruth went through in being there for Naomi and brought 0:38:09.870 --> 0:38:13.230 home again How richly God blessed her for her faithfulness. 0:38:13.260 --> 0:38:16.890 There were a number of stories that seeing where they 0:38:16.890 --> 0:38:22.020 happened deepened my understanding and helped me to fully appreciate 0:38:22.050 --> 0:38:23.279 what they went through. 0:38:23.310 --> 0:38:25.950 Hi, I'm Michelle from Philadelphia, and one of the things 0:38:25.950 --> 0:38:28.739 I loved about this trip was Masada. And I think 0:38:28.739 --> 0:38:32.070 it was because Masada was a stronghold for David and 0:38:32.070 --> 0:38:34.350 so many of his Psalms. He mentions God being his 0:38:34.350 --> 0:38:38.640 stronghold and looking out over the Dead Sea, the mountains 0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:41.729 and the valleys. It was just it brings new meaning 0:38:41.760 --> 0:38:44.850 to those Psalms as you read them, that his stronghold, 0:38:44.850 --> 0:38:47.820 that big, huge rock we were on, is really God. 0:38:49.980 --> 0:38:53.279 All right. Proverbs 15 is our focus. Creamed corn is 0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:56.460 not the subject. So, Charlie, what is John? 0:38:56.460 --> 0:38:58.470 Well, I'm on the opposite of you. On the creamed corn. 0:38:58.469 --> 0:39:01.080 I love creamed corn. But there are things in life 0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:04.500 that we all dislike, even though those dislikes might differ. 0:39:04.530 --> 0:39:07.500 Now I'm part of a small group that dislikes coffee. 0:39:07.500 --> 0:39:09.810 I tried to drink a cup of coffee twice in 0:39:09.810 --> 0:39:12.690 my life, once when I was 16 and the second 0:39:12.690 --> 0:39:16.170 time about 50 years later. I couldn't finish either cup. 0:39:16.170 --> 0:39:19.170 I love the smell of coffee, but I can't overcome 0:39:19.170 --> 0:39:22.469 that taste now. My wife loves a good cup of coffee, 0:39:22.469 --> 0:39:24.660 but if I offer her a taste of my Diet 0:39:24.660 --> 0:39:27.960 Coke with a fresh squeezed slice of lime, well, let's 0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:31.710 just say that particular beverage is all mine. She dislikes 0:39:31.710 --> 0:39:34.770 the taste of lime in a Diet Coke, and I'd 0:39:34.770 --> 0:39:37.680 ask each person listening, what are your particular dislikes? It 0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:40.350 can be a food or a beverage, or a particular 0:39:40.350 --> 0:39:43.590 texture or fragrance. Sometimes it can even be a person 0:39:43.590 --> 0:39:45.960 who just seems to rub us the wrong way. But 0:39:45.960 --> 0:39:48.630 let's face it, we all have things that we just 0:39:48.630 --> 0:39:52.290 dislike or don't care for. Likes and dislikes can be 0:39:52.290 --> 0:39:54.900 a matter of personal preference. Often they can be traced 0:39:54.900 --> 0:39:58.170 back to experiences we had in our younger days, but 0:39:58.170 --> 0:40:01.260 there are times when something or someone moves from a 0:40:01.260 --> 0:40:05.700 personal dislike to an intense abhorrence. The action or item 0:40:05.700 --> 0:40:09.810 or person becomes detestable. The name Adolf Hitler generates that 0:40:09.810 --> 0:40:12.630 kind of response in most people. So does the smell 0:40:12.630 --> 0:40:15.510 of a skunk. Did you ever notice that there are 0:40:15.510 --> 0:40:19.050 also things that God detests? And I'm not talking about 0:40:19.050 --> 0:40:23.190 personal preferences here. I mean things that God dislikes intensely, 0:40:23.190 --> 0:40:26.129 so much so that a Hebrew word is used, which 0:40:26.130 --> 0:40:31.380 is translated detests in some Bibles and abomination in others. 0:40:31.410 --> 0:40:34.080 In fact, this word is used three times in Proverbs 0:40:34.080 --> 0:40:37.830 15 to describe things that are detestable to God. So 0:40:37.860 --> 0:40:40.379 travel back with me to the time of King Solomon 0:40:40.380 --> 0:40:44.219 to see what generates such a negative reaction from God. 0:40:44.250 --> 0:40:48.420 In Proverbs 15 eight, Solomon writes, the Lord detests the 0:40:48.420 --> 0:40:51.150 sacrifice of the wicked, but the prayer of the upright 0:40:51.150 --> 0:40:55.230 pleases him. That's the NIV translation. The New American Standard 0:40:55.230 --> 0:40:58.799 Bible translates the Hebrew this way the sacrifice of the 0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:01.800 wicked is an abomination to the Lord, but the prayer 0:41:01.800 --> 0:41:04.350 of the upright is his delight. So what is it 0:41:04.350 --> 0:41:06.900 that God finds so detestable that it can be called 0:41:06.900 --> 0:41:11.069 an abomination to him. It's a morally corrupt person, someone 0:41:11.070 --> 0:41:15.060 who's wicked, who believes that simply offering a sacrifice will 0:41:15.060 --> 0:41:19.290 somehow clear things with God. Ritual is no substitute for 0:41:19.290 --> 0:41:23.790 genuine repentance. Offering an animal sacrifice didn't atone for sin 0:41:23.790 --> 0:41:26.939 if it wasn't accompanied by a heart of genuine sorrow. 0:41:26.969 --> 0:41:30.150 Isaiah used the same word in Isaiah one As God 0:41:30.150 --> 0:41:33.660 rebuked the nation for their sin. Bring your worthless offerings 0:41:33.660 --> 0:41:37.620 no longer. Incense is an abomination to me. The prophet 0:41:37.620 --> 0:41:41.040 goes on to describe the impact such hypocritical worship had 0:41:41.070 --> 0:41:43.770 on God. When you spread out your hands in prayer, 0:41:43.770 --> 0:41:46.320 I will hide my eyes from you. Even if you 0:41:46.320 --> 0:41:49.169 offer many prayers, I will not listen. Your hands are 0:41:49.170 --> 0:41:52.650 full of blood. Wash and make yourselves clean. Take your 0:41:52.650 --> 0:41:56.730 evil deeds out of my sight. So in Proverbs 15 eight, 0:41:56.760 --> 0:42:00.330 if a religious ritual offered from an impure heart is 0:42:00.330 --> 0:42:03.540 detestable to God, what will please him? Will. The second 0:42:03.540 --> 0:42:06.120 half of the verse provides the answer, The prayer of 0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:09.120 the upright is his delight. The word upright comes from 0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:11.700 a word having the idea of straight or level, as 0:42:11.700 --> 0:42:14.700 opposed to the wicked, who are constantly deviating from God's 0:42:14.700 --> 0:42:18.780 pathway of righteousness. The upright try to follow God's standards 0:42:18.780 --> 0:42:22.710 of right and wrong. To summarize verse eight, God is saying, 0:42:22.710 --> 0:42:25.470 it doesn't matter how much religious stuff you try to do, 0:42:25.500 --> 0:42:28.290 if you're unwilling to submit to God and follow him, 0:42:28.290 --> 0:42:30.989 he will detest anything you try to do to buy 0:42:30.989 --> 0:42:34.500 him off. He hates religious hypocrisy, but if you want 0:42:34.530 --> 0:42:37.110 God to listen to your prayers, then focus on being 0:42:37.110 --> 0:42:40.320 a faithful follower living in obedience to him. The very 0:42:40.320 --> 0:42:44.250 next verse describes the second thing God dislikes intensely. The 0:42:44.250 --> 0:42:47.220 Lord detests the way of the wicked, but he loves 0:42:47.219 --> 0:42:50.790 those who pursue righteousness. If the first proverb focused on 0:42:50.790 --> 0:42:55.710 religious hypocrisy, this one focuses on specific actions and activities. 0:42:55.739 --> 0:42:58.380 The pathway of life chosen by the wicked is an 0:42:58.380 --> 0:43:01.500 abomination to the Lord. The word for way is the 0:43:01.500 --> 0:43:04.170 Hebrew word derekh, which pictures a roadway or a course 0:43:04.170 --> 0:43:07.790 of action. We can try to fool others or make excuses, 0:43:07.790 --> 0:43:10.340 but God can see into our hearts to know our 0:43:10.340 --> 0:43:14.540 thoughts and motives. And he dislikes intensely someone who deliberately 0:43:14.540 --> 0:43:18.020 chooses to follow a pathway that leads away from God. 0:43:18.050 --> 0:43:23.000 In contrast, God loves a person who pursues righteousness rather 0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:25.490 than choosing the roadway of the wicked which leads away 0:43:25.489 --> 0:43:28.219 from God. The one whom God loves is someone who 0:43:28.219 --> 0:43:34.219 passionately seeks after righteousness. Righteousness is demonstrated in the way 0:43:34.219 --> 0:43:36.890 we act, the way we speak, the way we live 0:43:36.890 --> 0:43:40.430 according to God's ethical and moral standards. It's aligning our 0:43:40.430 --> 0:43:44.360 lives with the righteous standards set by God. But Solomon 0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:47.719 has one more example of something God dislikes intensely. In 0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:51.920 this chapter. It's found in verse 26. The NIV expresses 0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:54.890 the verse this way the Lord detests the thoughts of 0:43:54.890 --> 0:43:58.130 the wicked, but those of the pure are pleasing to him. 0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:02.180 The New American Standard provides a slightly more literal translation 0:44:02.210 --> 0:44:05.950 evil plans are an abomination to the Lord, but pleasant 0:44:05.950 --> 0:44:09.609 words are pure. So what is it that God detests? Well, 0:44:09.610 --> 0:44:12.010 the word evil has the idea of something being bad 0:44:12.010 --> 0:44:15.250 or malignant or causing pain or misery. It's used of 0:44:15.250 --> 0:44:18.340 figs that had become rotten. God, who can see into 0:44:18.340 --> 0:44:21.400 the human heart, detest the evil, wicked thoughts that can 0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:24.550 creep into a person's mind. What kind of thoughts might 0:44:24.580 --> 0:44:28.210 these be? Perhaps thoughts of revenge or vengeance or wishing 0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:32.200 ill on someone if God detests. Thoughts contemplating anger or 0:44:32.200 --> 0:44:35.500 wishing evil on others. What's the opposite? What is it 0:44:35.500 --> 0:44:39.400 that pleases God? Pure and pleasant thoughts, especially when they're 0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:43.000 communicated to that person rather than wishing a person harm. 0:44:43.030 --> 0:44:45.850 God looks with favor on those who seek to build 0:44:45.850 --> 0:44:48.729 up others and encourage them. So what is it that 0:44:48.730 --> 0:44:53.710 God dislikes intensely? He dislikes a hypocritical individual who tries 0:44:53.710 --> 0:44:56.740 to pretend he or she is religious. God dislikes a 0:44:56.739 --> 0:45:00.700 person who pursues an ungodly lifestyle rather than seeking to 0:45:00.730 --> 0:45:04.029 arrange his or her life according to God's standards, and 0:45:04.030 --> 0:45:07.510 God dislikes a person who tries to harm others rather 0:45:07.510 --> 0:45:10.180 than build them up. So how does your life align 0:45:10.180 --> 0:45:13.600 with the likes and dislikes of God? Two pathways that 0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:17.380 diverge in opposite directions that might not always be visible 0:45:17.380 --> 0:45:19.990 to others, but are clearly visible to the God of 0:45:19.989 --> 0:45:23.470 the universe, who can peer into the human heart. The 0:45:23.469 --> 0:45:26.590 author of Psalm one described the same two pathways and 0:45:26.590 --> 0:45:29.770 their results. So let's end by looking at his description 0:45:29.770 --> 0:45:32.890 of these two pathways the one God dislikes and the 0:45:32.890 --> 0:45:36.160 one God chooses to bless. Blessed is the man who 0:45:36.160 --> 0:45:38.710 does not walk in the counsel of the wicked, or 0:45:38.710 --> 0:45:40.600 stand in the way of sinners, or sit in the 0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:43.150 seat of mockers. But his delight is in the law 0:45:43.150 --> 0:45:45.760 of the Lord, and on his law he meditates day 0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:48.670 and night. He is like a tree planted by streams 0:45:48.670 --> 0:45:51.879 of water, which yields its fruit in season, and whose 0:45:51.880 --> 0:45:56.020 leaf does not wither. Whatever he does prospers. Not so 0:45:56.020 --> 0:45:59.200 the wicked. They are like chaff that the wind blows away. 0:45:59.230 --> 0:46:01.870 Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, nor 0:46:01.870 --> 0:46:04.660 sinners in the assembly of the righteous. For the Lord 0:46:04.660 --> 0:46:07.300 watches over the way of the righteous, but the way 0:46:07.300 --> 0:46:09.340 of the wicked will perish. 0:46:09.370 --> 0:46:12.759 Sobering words and words we need to hear. Thank you. Charlie. 0:46:12.790 --> 0:46:15.790 Maybe you'd like to play today's program again. Or specifically 0:46:15.790 --> 0:46:18.490 this devotional again. You can hear it all at the 0:46:18.489 --> 0:46:22.330 Land and the book.org. We'd love to get your email. 0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:25.779 How is this program impacting your life? Helping you see 0:46:25.780 --> 0:46:29.710 Scripture differently? Maybe teach a Bible passage differently? We'd love 0:46:29.710 --> 0:46:32.530 to hear that story. And you can email us anytime 0:46:32.530 --> 0:46:36.460 at The Land and the Book at Moody Dot. Edu. 0:46:36.489 --> 0:46:41.260 The land and the book at Moody dot. Edu. 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