1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,719 S1: Has it been 25 years? Yes it has. 25 years ago, 2 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,440 S1: Dannah Gresh published a provocative book titled And the Bride 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,919 S1: Wore White. In that book, she shared with young women 4 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:21,920 S1: about her own love life, journey, successes, struggles, temptations about 5 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,919 S1: sexual sin, and a whole lot more. Now, 25 years later, 6 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,319 S1: Dana has gone back through that book and has found 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,800 S1: some things that she won't change one bit, as well 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,320 S1: as some things that she does want to explain further. 9 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,519 S1: And that's what we're going to do today and tomorrow 10 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,760 S1: at the Radio Backyard Fence. Part of the discussion of 11 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,840 S1: this book concerns purity culture, and I know a lot 12 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,760 S1: of you have feelings about that, some bad feelings about especially. 13 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,360 S1: And we're going to devote a whole program to that tomorrow. 14 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,160 S1: So make sure you join us for that. We're going 15 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,760 S1: to touch on it here today as well. If you 16 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,200 S1: want to find links and resources, we have a website 17 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,950 S1: for your. Chris Fabry live.org. Let me thank our team 18 00:01:02,950 --> 00:01:07,430 S1: here on Cinco de Mayo. Ryan McConaughey doing all things technical. Chris, 19 00:01:07,430 --> 00:01:10,110 S1: as our producer, Lisa's helping out. Josh will be answering 20 00:01:10,110 --> 00:01:13,270 S1: your calls and I believe today is happy birthday, Chris 21 00:01:13,310 --> 00:01:16,510 S1: Fabry live. That's right. It was on May 5th, 2008 22 00:01:16,550 --> 00:01:19,910 S1: that we had our initial program. We actually aired the 23 00:01:19,910 --> 00:01:23,630 S1: second program because we said doing the first was just 24 00:01:23,630 --> 00:01:25,790 S1: too much pressure. We were going to air that later. 25 00:01:25,790 --> 00:01:28,630 S1: And here we are 18 years later and we still 26 00:01:28,630 --> 00:01:32,630 S1: haven't aired that program. Thank you, thank you. Please keep 27 00:01:32,630 --> 00:01:35,429 S1: your applause to a faint roar. Uh, so today we 28 00:01:35,430 --> 00:01:39,030 S1: start our 19th year together. And here's the truth about 29 00:01:39,030 --> 00:01:42,110 S1: this anniversary. We could not do what we do without 30 00:01:42,110 --> 00:01:45,430 S1: you and your support to listen, to tell others. Hey, 31 00:01:45,430 --> 00:01:48,510 S1: you need to hear this program responding to the questions, 32 00:01:48,510 --> 00:01:50,310 S1: calling us. There have been so many people who have 33 00:01:50,310 --> 00:01:54,390 S1: called through the years and have had such just amazing stories, 34 00:01:55,030 --> 00:01:58,910 S1: and then those of you who financially have lent your 35 00:01:58,910 --> 00:02:03,070 S1: resources to us to keep us going. Thank you for that. Today, 36 00:02:03,070 --> 00:02:06,590 S1: in honor of 18 years. Go to Chris fabriclive.org. Give 37 00:02:06,590 --> 00:02:08,510 S1: a gift of any size. There's a place on the 38 00:02:08,510 --> 00:02:11,230 S1: forum where you can share something with us. Tell us 39 00:02:11,230 --> 00:02:14,830 S1: the tell me the your favorite program from the last 40 00:02:14,830 --> 00:02:17,030 S1: 18 years, or the one that didn't hit the mark 41 00:02:17,030 --> 00:02:19,590 S1: or the one that you'd like to hear? Again, our 42 00:02:19,590 --> 00:02:21,950 S1: thank you right now is the really helpful book, Powerful 43 00:02:21,950 --> 00:02:24,950 S1: Self-Talk from the Psalms. It's a 40 day journey that 44 00:02:24,950 --> 00:02:28,270 S1: will help you embrace a biblical mindset. So if you 45 00:02:28,270 --> 00:02:33,429 S1: have these constant negative voices coming from yourself, here's the antidote, 46 00:02:33,470 --> 00:02:35,910 S1: actually the antidotes, God's word. But this is going to 47 00:02:35,910 --> 00:02:40,589 S1: help you go to chris.org and you can give right 48 00:02:40,590 --> 00:02:45,590 S1: there or call 86695 Fabbri. And here's a suggestion. Give 49 00:02:45,630 --> 00:02:51,709 S1: a multiple of 18 today. It could be 183654. You 50 00:02:51,710 --> 00:02:59,579 S1: do the math 180 whatever. Call us at 69532279. And 51 00:02:59,580 --> 00:03:02,620 S1: thanks for your support and continued support at the Radio 52 00:03:02,620 --> 00:03:05,980 S1: Backyard fence. It is time for Dana Gray. She is 53 00:03:05,980 --> 00:03:09,180 S1: a best selling author, podcaster, the founder of True Girl 54 00:03:09,180 --> 00:03:13,140 S1: and the Wonder App co-host of Revive Our Hearts. What 55 00:03:13,139 --> 00:03:16,340 S1: doesn't she do? She's a prolific author. She has a 56 00:03:16,380 --> 00:03:20,020 S1: lot of animals on her hobby farm. Part of her 57 00:03:20,020 --> 00:03:23,060 S1: writing has been. And the titles. It's great to be 58 00:03:23,060 --> 00:03:27,180 S1: a girl Raising Body, Confident Daughters, A Girl's Guide to 59 00:03:27,220 --> 00:03:32,820 S1: Understanding Boys and her Featured resource. Today, after 25 years 60 00:03:32,820 --> 00:03:35,980 S1: and the Bride wore white seven Truths to Live in 61 00:03:35,980 --> 00:03:40,540 S1: Sexual Integrity, No matter Your past. Dana and her husband, Bob, 62 00:03:40,540 --> 00:03:43,580 S1: live in Pennsylvania. How are you doing today, Dana? 63 00:03:44,460 --> 00:03:47,900 S2: I am doing well. Happy anniversary, my friend. 64 00:03:47,900 --> 00:03:50,780 S1: Thank you. And you are. You are going to be 65 00:03:50,780 --> 00:03:54,060 S1: the key to either getting us another year here on 66 00:03:54,060 --> 00:03:56,980 S1: the program or it's all going to fall apart after this. 67 00:03:56,980 --> 00:03:59,140 S2: So you have a lot of pressure. 68 00:03:59,180 --> 00:04:02,300 S1: Yeah. Take the pressure. Okay, so I want to go 69 00:04:02,300 --> 00:04:06,500 S1: back 25 years and. And why don't you tell me 70 00:04:06,500 --> 00:04:09,740 S1: what was going through your mind? Because you were you 71 00:04:09,780 --> 00:04:12,300 S1: were probably in your teens. You were a teenager back then. 72 00:04:12,340 --> 00:04:14,460 S1: What was going through your mind as you were thinking 73 00:04:14,460 --> 00:04:15,500 S1: about writing that book? 74 00:04:16,620 --> 00:04:19,740 S2: I was in my 20s. I was a youth leader, 75 00:04:19,940 --> 00:04:25,100 S2: and I had just experienced a great revival in my life, 76 00:04:25,100 --> 00:04:29,419 S2: and that is that I had never told anybody about 77 00:04:29,420 --> 00:04:32,020 S2: my sexual sin as a teenage girl. It was a 78 00:04:32,020 --> 00:04:34,420 S2: secret that was locked in the vault of my heart, 79 00:04:34,820 --> 00:04:37,540 S2: and I had never fully healed from that. Now I 80 00:04:37,580 --> 00:04:40,299 S2: knew I was forgiven in my head, but it didn't 81 00:04:40,300 --> 00:04:42,620 S2: get to my heart. And I was showing up with 82 00:04:42,620 --> 00:04:45,540 S2: a lot of shame in my marriage, in my friendships, 83 00:04:45,900 --> 00:04:50,060 S2: in my service for the Lord. I felt very second class. Now, 84 00:04:50,060 --> 00:04:53,339 S2: I don't really blame anyone for that. I think first 85 00:04:53,339 --> 00:04:57,570 S2: and foremost, it was the secrecy of that sin and 86 00:04:57,570 --> 00:05:00,530 S2: my past that was doing that. That's how shame works 87 00:05:00,529 --> 00:05:02,810 S2: when we don't deal with it. It's meant to bring 88 00:05:02,810 --> 00:05:06,130 S2: us to God and to others, so that we can 89 00:05:06,130 --> 00:05:08,850 S2: confess our sins first and foremost to Jesus and then 90 00:05:08,850 --> 00:05:11,289 S2: to others. Because when we confess in the body of Christ, 91 00:05:11,290 --> 00:05:16,490 S2: we receive healing. Well, I did that and it was amazing. 92 00:05:16,529 --> 00:05:19,130 S2: It was my husband. He's like, it was you. You 93 00:05:19,170 --> 00:05:22,130 S2: were just reborn. My mother was like, it's as if 94 00:05:22,170 --> 00:05:25,089 S2: you just came to know Christ. It was so beautiful, Chris, 95 00:05:25,410 --> 00:05:29,050 S2: how Jesus just revived my soul. And then I'm looking 96 00:05:29,050 --> 00:05:32,210 S2: at these teenage girls. During the time when the church 97 00:05:32,210 --> 00:05:36,130 S2: was finally talking about sex, the purity movement. And I 98 00:05:36,170 --> 00:05:38,849 S2: felt like. But what about a girl like me? What 99 00:05:38,850 --> 00:05:41,010 S2: about the girl in this room who's not the poster 100 00:05:41,010 --> 00:05:45,370 S2: child for purity? We have to tell her she's not alone, 101 00:05:45,370 --> 00:05:48,770 S2: and we have to tell her there's healing in Jesus name. 102 00:05:48,890 --> 00:05:51,570 S2: She doesn't have to wait like I did. And so 103 00:05:51,810 --> 00:05:54,290 S2: it catapulted me into a place where I had no 104 00:05:54,290 --> 00:05:57,410 S2: choice but to tell the freedom story that Jesus had 105 00:05:57,410 --> 00:05:58,410 S2: written in my life. 106 00:05:59,610 --> 00:06:02,770 S1: In the book, when you deal with the shame, you 107 00:06:02,770 --> 00:06:06,169 S1: say it is Satan who wants you to keep secrets. 108 00:06:06,490 --> 00:06:09,890 S1: So how did you overcome then? How did you know 109 00:06:09,930 --> 00:06:13,370 S1: after ten years, you finally told somebody. What was the 110 00:06:13,370 --> 00:06:17,650 S1: catalyst for you getting the courage to find somebody and 111 00:06:17,650 --> 00:06:18,450 S1: tell somebody? 112 00:06:19,610 --> 00:06:22,570 S2: Well, I think there were two things that really important 113 00:06:22,570 --> 00:06:27,210 S2: and very complex factors. One was the purity movement itself. 114 00:06:28,330 --> 00:06:31,089 S2: The church was no longer silent about the topic of sex. 115 00:06:31,089 --> 00:06:34,929 S2: It was being talked about around me. And though we 116 00:06:34,930 --> 00:06:39,490 S2: started out pretty picture perfect and very fearful of telling 117 00:06:39,490 --> 00:06:43,850 S2: our own sins and failures and weaknesses and temptations, at 118 00:06:43,890 --> 00:06:47,650 S2: least we were talking. That in and of itself gave 119 00:06:47,650 --> 00:06:51,330 S2: me some courage that I needed to enter the conversation. 120 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,760 S2: So even though hearing words like purity or virginity did 121 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,120 S2: did sting a little bit, I took those words to 122 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,440 S2: the Word of God. And honestly, I thought when I 123 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,080 S2: went there, I'm going to find, you know, this truth 124 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,560 S2: that is the opposite of all my feelings. That's not 125 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,440 S2: what I found. I found a very complex scripture in 126 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,880 S2: First John three. Let me just read it to you. 127 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,040 S2: It says, beloved, we are God's children now, and what 128 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,040 S2: we will be has not yet appeared. But we know 129 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,720 S2: that when he appears, we shall be like him, because 130 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,280 S2: we shall see Him as He is, and everyone who. 131 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,440 S2: Everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he 132 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,920 S2: is pure. That. That verse. Let me just break this 133 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,320 S2: down really fast for you. First of all, I realized, 134 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:42,120 S2: oh wow, it's not my actions that purify me. It's 135 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:46,960 S2: the actions of Jesus. He purifies me. And that changed 136 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,320 S2: everything for me. But the other thing it did for 137 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,440 S2: me is, you know, I kind of thought, oh, I 138 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:56,360 S2: don't need to hope and long for being pure, but 139 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,400 S2: I do, because Jesus is pure and every believer wants 140 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,200 S2: to be more and more like him every day. Now, 141 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,840 S2: we're not going to fully realize that until this day 142 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,240 S2: that's described in this verse. When he comes back for 143 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,640 S2: us and everything is complete, right? But for now, we 144 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,160 S2: can walk in that direction. And I started to I 145 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,480 S2: started to with the power of that verse. But the 146 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,240 S2: other thing is a program like this. Chris. Yeah, I 147 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,400 S2: was listening to a program like this and there was 148 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,920 S2: a woman who said, um, the number one thing on 149 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,320 S2: a teenage girl's mind when she's talking to her mom 150 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,560 S2: about sex is this question, mom, did you wait? And 151 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,839 S2: I realized that the healing I really was not courageous 152 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:38,760 S2: enough to do for my own heart. I would do 153 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:40,400 S2: for my baby girl. She was in the back seat 154 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,320 S2: of my car and I did. I did the work. 155 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,520 S2: I did the healing. I found it in Jesus and 156 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,350 S2: His Word and his community, and I just had to 157 00:08:49,390 --> 00:08:50,070 S2: pass it on. 158 00:08:50,750 --> 00:08:54,150 S1: Isn't that interesting? How? And I've heard that in multiple 159 00:08:54,150 --> 00:08:58,630 S1: different ways, especially to, say a wife who's been abused 160 00:08:58,910 --> 00:09:03,230 S1: will stay. But then she she looks at her kids 161 00:09:03,230 --> 00:09:06,150 S1: and say, I can't do this. She'll do it for them, 162 00:09:06,470 --> 00:09:11,670 S1: you know, and what's going on there psychologically, relationally, uh, 163 00:09:11,910 --> 00:09:14,750 S1: because you love your kids so much, you don't want them. 164 00:09:14,750 --> 00:09:18,150 S1: And that's what I think this book, after 25 years, 165 00:09:18,470 --> 00:09:21,630 S1: I don't know if you call this revised or rethought 166 00:09:21,630 --> 00:09:25,270 S1: or rewritten and the bride wore white. It comes out today, 167 00:09:25,270 --> 00:09:27,750 S1: by the way. Do what? Answer that and then we'll 168 00:09:27,750 --> 00:09:30,590 S1: take a break. Is it is it rewritten? Totally. 169 00:09:31,630 --> 00:09:36,429 S2: Uh, not totally, but it's very rewritten. It's very revised. 170 00:09:36,429 --> 00:09:40,510 S2: It's very expanded because I've changed. The culture has changed. 171 00:09:40,510 --> 00:09:43,990 S2: The church has changed. We've all matured, we've all grown. 172 00:09:43,990 --> 00:09:46,709 S2: And so we need to approach it with different language. 173 00:09:47,110 --> 00:09:50,270 S1: But it's still for the young woman that you were 174 00:09:50,270 --> 00:09:52,550 S1: writing to back then today, right? 175 00:09:52,590 --> 00:09:56,190 S2: Yeah. It's for every teenage girl and every college age 176 00:09:56,190 --> 00:09:59,709 S2: girl who longs to live the way that Jesus wants 177 00:09:59,710 --> 00:10:03,670 S2: her to live with a life of integrity and holiness. 178 00:10:04,270 --> 00:10:06,670 S1: And we're going to talk about those words. And if 179 00:10:06,670 --> 00:10:09,670 S1: you go to the website, Chris Fabry live.org, you'll see. 180 00:10:10,309 --> 00:10:13,589 S1: And the bride wore white. Seven truths to Live in 181 00:10:13,590 --> 00:10:18,830 S1: Sexual integrity, no matter your past. There are some adults 182 00:10:18,830 --> 00:10:21,030 S1: who are listening right now who need to hear this. 183 00:10:21,070 --> 00:10:23,710 S1: Go to Chris live.org. If you have a question or 184 00:10:23,710 --> 00:10:39,870 S1: comment today, Dan is with us. (877) 548-3675. Her name is 185 00:10:39,870 --> 00:10:43,230 S1: Dana Gresh. She sold hundreds of thousands of copies of 186 00:10:43,230 --> 00:10:45,750 S1: the book, and the bride wore white when she had 187 00:10:45,750 --> 00:10:50,220 S1: it published 25 years ago and then succeeding years. Now 188 00:10:50,220 --> 00:10:54,140 S1: she's gone back and as you've just heard, she's revised it, 189 00:10:54,140 --> 00:10:58,580 S1: she's expanded it, she's rewritten it, especially because of all 190 00:10:58,580 --> 00:11:03,820 S1: the complexities that we have in today's society for young women. 191 00:11:04,140 --> 00:11:06,780 S1: And the bride wore white seven truths to live in 192 00:11:06,780 --> 00:11:11,620 S1: sexual integrity. No matter your past. Focus in on that 193 00:11:11,620 --> 00:11:14,740 S1: one word integrity. What do you mean by integrity? 194 00:11:15,740 --> 00:11:18,980 S2: Yeah, that's such an important word. Julie Slattery doctor Julie 195 00:11:18,980 --> 00:11:24,620 S2: Slattery describes it as my sexual choices are a consistent 196 00:11:24,620 --> 00:11:31,500 S2: expression of my relational and spiritual commitments. So, um, I 197 00:11:31,540 --> 00:11:34,340 S2: think another way to look at it is what happens 198 00:11:34,340 --> 00:11:37,700 S2: when we don't have it. Well, when we have physical 199 00:11:37,700 --> 00:11:42,460 S2: union without having whole life commitment or union, that's a 200 00:11:42,460 --> 00:11:46,060 S2: lack of integrity. And, and where there's really a Bible 201 00:11:46,059 --> 00:11:48,860 S2: word that that describes it better than our words, but 202 00:11:48,860 --> 00:11:52,140 S2: it wouldn't have much meaning. It's the word yada. Uh, 203 00:11:52,140 --> 00:11:54,780 S2: we see it the first time in Genesis four one 204 00:11:55,020 --> 00:11:57,420 S2: when it says, Adam lay with his wife Eve, and 205 00:11:57,420 --> 00:12:00,059 S2: she became pregnant and gave birth. It would have said 206 00:12:00,100 --> 00:12:04,059 S2: Adam yada with his wife Eve. And so this is 207 00:12:04,059 --> 00:12:08,980 S2: the first time we see language for sexual expression in Scripture. 208 00:12:09,300 --> 00:12:13,140 S2: And the word has nothing to do with our physical bodies. 209 00:12:13,420 --> 00:12:17,180 S2: It means to know, to be known, to be deeply respected. 210 00:12:17,179 --> 00:12:21,540 S2: So it transcends what's happening in the physical and talks 211 00:12:21,540 --> 00:12:26,819 S2: about the emotional and perhaps even spiritual connection that's happening 212 00:12:27,100 --> 00:12:30,460 S2: in the marriage relationship. And, and I believe that's what 213 00:12:30,500 --> 00:12:32,819 S2: God wants for us. And yet we live in this world. 214 00:12:32,820 --> 00:12:37,020 S2: Here's the problem. Culture talks about sex without the soul. 215 00:12:37,020 --> 00:12:40,699 S2: The church talks about the soul. But really, if you 216 00:12:40,700 --> 00:12:43,530 S2: ask the average teenager today, they're like, we're still not 217 00:12:43,530 --> 00:12:47,610 S2: talking about sex enough. And people are left with disjointed lives. 218 00:12:48,090 --> 00:12:52,050 S2: They're following their own desires without discipleship, or they're following 219 00:12:52,090 --> 00:12:57,689 S2: Jesus while silently battling sexual issues and temptations on their own. 220 00:12:57,929 --> 00:13:01,210 S2: We've got to bring these issues together. We've got to 221 00:13:01,210 --> 00:13:05,610 S2: have integrity in how we approach our faith and our 222 00:13:05,730 --> 00:13:06,890 S2: our sexual lives. 223 00:13:07,970 --> 00:13:11,610 S1: Pornography was around 25 years ago. It's been around for 224 00:13:11,610 --> 00:13:16,050 S1: quite a while, but it was not as ubiquitous as 225 00:13:16,050 --> 00:13:20,370 S1: it is today. So that's another and and the amount 226 00:13:20,370 --> 00:13:25,689 S1: of women or young women who are addicted. Uh, it 227 00:13:25,690 --> 00:13:28,130 S1: used to be talked about as just a guy's or 228 00:13:28,170 --> 00:13:31,130 S1: a young man or a man's problem. But no, this is, 229 00:13:31,170 --> 00:13:34,770 S1: this is so that's another part of the complexity, isn't it? 230 00:13:35,610 --> 00:13:39,370 S2: Yeah. I was just looking at stats yesterday on this 231 00:13:39,370 --> 00:13:45,120 S2: and everything. I look at about 33% of teenage girls 232 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,760 S2: tend to be in what I would call an addictive 233 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:54,760 S2: or recurring use type pattern with pornography. That doesn't mean 234 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,640 S2: that more haven't seen pornography, I think a whole lot 235 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,280 S2: more have. And the other thing that's really scary, Chris, 236 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:05,319 S2: is by conservative estimates, the average age of first exposure 237 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,080 S2: for both boys and girls is 12. That's the average 238 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,880 S2: age of their first exposure. And I'm constantly talking with 239 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,040 S2: young women or even adult women who are in full 240 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,040 S2: blown addiction, who say, this problem started when I was nine. 241 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,040 S2: This problem started when I was ten. So that's a 242 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,520 S2: really big issue. That's, in fact, one of the reasons 243 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,360 S2: I rewrote the book the last time I revised it 244 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:29,520 S2: was 2011. And that is right about the time that 245 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,640 S2: kids really were walking around with the internet in their pockets, 246 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,160 S2: you know? Before that, there were smartphones, but they didn't 247 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,800 S2: have smartphones plus social media. That was just kind of 248 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,720 S2: giving them such full on access to this stuff. But 249 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,480 S2: if we're not careful, it's like letting our kids run 250 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:51,119 S2: around in the darkest alleys of New York City without 251 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,560 S2: any protection. We have got to be mindful of the 252 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,520 S2: fact that they will probably see pornography, and they need 253 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,360 S2: to come to you and tell you when they see 254 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,320 S2: it so that you can help guide them through that. 255 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,200 S2: But the reality is, very few of them don't. Why? 256 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:07,440 S2: Because they feel shame. 257 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:12,240 S1: Exactly. And so that's why a book like yours will 258 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,640 S1: be an entree to have a conversation for a young 259 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,080 S1: person to find somebody because you don't want to go 260 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,280 S1: to just anyone. You have to pick your mentor. Pick 261 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,440 S1: a safe person. But the there are several lies in 262 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,800 S1: here in sex. Lie number two is porn is a 263 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:32,440 S1: harmless outlet. And that's what the culture will tell you. 264 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,880 S1: And it might be what the teenager believes. This is 265 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,400 S1: not hurting anybody. It's just me. Um, what do you 266 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:39,270 S1: say to that? 267 00:15:40,430 --> 00:15:44,350 S2: Such a lie. It's a lie from the pit of hell. Um. 268 00:15:44,350 --> 00:15:48,470 S2: We know that if we just take Scripture out of it. 269 00:15:48,470 --> 00:15:50,990 S2: All right? And just look at this purely from a 270 00:15:50,990 --> 00:15:55,870 S2: physiological point of view. Um, you could compare the, the 271 00:15:55,870 --> 00:16:01,070 S2: functional scans of a healthy brain, a heroin user and 272 00:16:01,070 --> 00:16:04,030 S2: a porn user, a regular porn user. And you are 273 00:16:04,030 --> 00:16:06,750 S2: going to see that the porn user's brain looks a 274 00:16:06,750 --> 00:16:09,750 S2: whole lot more like the heroin brain than it does 275 00:16:09,790 --> 00:16:13,070 S2: a healthy brain. There are going to be basically like 276 00:16:13,110 --> 00:16:17,869 S2: Swiss cheese, like, uh, functional holes in that brain scan 277 00:16:18,070 --> 00:16:24,430 S2: because pornography is extremely, extremely damaging to the brain. It's 278 00:16:24,470 --> 00:16:28,350 S2: a it creates a neurochemical overload. And the thing that's 279 00:16:28,350 --> 00:16:31,150 S2: really hard about it is you get this high of 280 00:16:31,630 --> 00:16:38,630 S2: dopamine from really anything that causes pleasure, you know, pizza, heroin, porn. 281 00:16:38,990 --> 00:16:42,070 S2: And in most of the cases, for example, with pizza, 282 00:16:42,110 --> 00:16:45,750 S2: that dopamine is going to wear off in about an hour. Um, 283 00:16:45,750 --> 00:16:48,470 S2: even with heroin, that it's not going to last long. 284 00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:51,790 S2: But with pornography, we see that there is a longevity 285 00:16:51,950 --> 00:16:55,710 S2: to that drip of, of dopamine in the brain, probably 286 00:16:55,870 --> 00:16:58,510 S2: because you can keep thinking about the images or the 287 00:16:58,510 --> 00:17:01,550 S2: video that you've just seen and create, keep that, that 288 00:17:01,550 --> 00:17:06,030 S2: dopamine level up that your brain's not created to function 289 00:17:06,030 --> 00:17:09,909 S2: at that level of that neurotransmitter running through your brain 290 00:17:09,910 --> 00:17:13,190 S2: like that. It creates damage. That's just from a physiological 291 00:17:13,190 --> 00:17:15,669 S2: point of view. But we can also see that it 292 00:17:15,710 --> 00:17:21,230 S2: damages relationships. It's bad for society. Uh, many of the kids, 293 00:17:21,230 --> 00:17:24,230 S2: if you look at covenant eyes, most recent data on 294 00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:29,149 S2: teenagers using pornography, most of them are seeing very transgressive, 295 00:17:29,150 --> 00:17:33,870 S2: violent acts of sex. So it's harming their understanding of 296 00:17:33,869 --> 00:17:37,820 S2: sex as a loving encounter between a husband and a wife, 297 00:17:38,180 --> 00:17:40,940 S2: and many times there are multiple people involved. So again, 298 00:17:40,980 --> 00:17:45,500 S2: you're not they're not seeing sex in the context of faithfulness, 299 00:17:45,500 --> 00:17:47,139 S2: the way that God designed it to be. 300 00:17:47,980 --> 00:17:51,540 S1: So what do you tell the parent then who hears 301 00:17:51,540 --> 00:17:55,899 S1: everything you're saying? And it just, uh, you're backing up 302 00:17:55,900 --> 00:17:59,859 S1: everything that they've ever thought about pornography usage, and they 303 00:17:59,859 --> 00:18:02,820 S1: want to get that. They want to communicate that to 304 00:18:02,859 --> 00:18:06,420 S1: their daughter and sons too. But here in this context, 305 00:18:06,460 --> 00:18:09,300 S1: to their daughter, but to do it in a way 306 00:18:09,300 --> 00:18:13,420 S1: that doesn't push the child even further away or make 307 00:18:13,420 --> 00:18:17,140 S1: the child feel shame if she does come into contact 308 00:18:17,140 --> 00:18:22,500 S1: with pornography and, and continues to watch, you know, to, to, 309 00:18:22,660 --> 00:18:26,300 S1: to see this. How do you avoid the shame? 310 00:18:26,900 --> 00:18:30,180 S2: Yeah, a couple of things. One is start the conversation 311 00:18:30,180 --> 00:18:33,780 S2: really early. Um, there is a book called Good pictures, 312 00:18:33,780 --> 00:18:39,100 S2: bad pictures that I really recommend to parents of, you know, preschool, elementary. 313 00:18:39,380 --> 00:18:43,020 S2: You can read that book and it teaches kids, you 314 00:18:43,020 --> 00:18:44,659 S2: know what, when you're on the internet, you're going to 315 00:18:44,660 --> 00:18:46,380 S2: see some good pictures and you're going to see some 316 00:18:46,380 --> 00:18:48,780 S2: bad pictures, and you're going to kind of know when 317 00:18:48,780 --> 00:18:51,100 S2: you see them that they're good or that they're bad. 318 00:18:51,300 --> 00:18:53,540 S2: If you see a bad picture, your job is to 319 00:18:53,580 --> 00:18:55,020 S2: come to me and tell me that you've seen it 320 00:18:55,020 --> 00:18:56,780 S2: and we're going to talk about it, and we're going 321 00:18:56,820 --> 00:18:59,220 S2: to figure out how you won't have to be exposed 322 00:18:59,220 --> 00:19:03,060 S2: to something like that another time. And that that tactic 323 00:19:03,060 --> 00:19:07,700 S2: has been really successful for parents with younger children. Um, 324 00:19:07,740 --> 00:19:10,100 S2: then when they get older, I think it's really important 325 00:19:10,100 --> 00:19:13,500 S2: for us to talk about it pretty openly and explain 326 00:19:13,500 --> 00:19:16,780 S2: that some of those bad pictures really involve a distortion 327 00:19:16,780 --> 00:19:19,980 S2: of God's gift of sex, and they can really distort 328 00:19:19,980 --> 00:19:23,300 S2: your own understanding of it if you if you see 329 00:19:23,300 --> 00:19:26,700 S2: it frequently. And so you have an open conversation. If 330 00:19:26,700 --> 00:19:29,740 S2: you have struggled with pornography, I think it's important to 331 00:19:29,740 --> 00:19:31,939 S2: share that with your children to say, you know what? 332 00:19:32,020 --> 00:19:34,409 S2: I'm telling you this because I got caught up in 333 00:19:34,450 --> 00:19:36,410 S2: looking at some of those pictures, and it really did 334 00:19:36,410 --> 00:19:39,090 S2: a lot of devastating things to my mind, to my heart. 335 00:19:39,090 --> 00:19:40,970 S2: I don't want you to know that kind of pain, 336 00:19:41,130 --> 00:19:44,169 S2: that kind of shame. But I think we make the 337 00:19:44,170 --> 00:19:46,850 S2: mistake of believing that if we talk to our kids 338 00:19:46,850 --> 00:19:52,730 S2: about porn dressing appropriately, any confusion they might be experiencing 339 00:19:52,730 --> 00:19:56,169 S2: with gender fill in the blank that it could create shame. 340 00:19:56,170 --> 00:19:58,889 S2: But here's what it does. It just leaves them alone 341 00:19:58,890 --> 00:20:02,490 S2: in their shame. Because the very definition of shame is 342 00:20:02,490 --> 00:20:06,290 S2: that you're hiding that nobody knows. And the prescription for 343 00:20:06,290 --> 00:20:09,370 S2: shame that scripture has given us. James 516 confess your 344 00:20:09,369 --> 00:20:11,650 S2: sins to one another, and then you will be healed. 345 00:20:12,090 --> 00:20:15,970 S2: And I think when you tell somebody I did it again, 346 00:20:16,290 --> 00:20:19,129 S2: I looked at pornography or I did it again. I 347 00:20:19,330 --> 00:20:22,090 S2: went too far with my boyfriend or I did it again. 348 00:20:22,130 --> 00:20:26,490 S2: I fantasized, when you tell that to somebody that's older 349 00:20:26,490 --> 00:20:29,090 S2: and wiser and godly, and they look you in the 350 00:20:29,090 --> 00:20:33,170 S2: eyes and they say, I hear it and I'm still here. 351 00:20:33,410 --> 00:20:37,970 S2: I'm still with you. I'm still in relationship. That is 352 00:20:37,970 --> 00:20:41,330 S2: what erases shame. First and foremost has to be forgiveness 353 00:20:41,330 --> 00:20:45,330 S2: from Jesus. But the healing, it comes in the body 354 00:20:45,330 --> 00:20:47,610 S2: as we look at one another and say, I've heard 355 00:20:47,609 --> 00:20:49,730 S2: your whole story and I love you still. 356 00:20:51,290 --> 00:20:54,450 S1: And I'm here with you. See, that's, that's the thing. 357 00:20:54,450 --> 00:20:58,689 S1: Because if you've kept it a secret this long and Danny, 358 00:20:58,730 --> 00:21:01,090 S1: you know as well as I do, there are women 359 00:21:01,090 --> 00:21:06,290 S1: listening in their 50s, 60s, 70s and older who have 360 00:21:06,330 --> 00:21:09,210 S1: some kind of secret, who had something happen to them 361 00:21:09,210 --> 00:21:12,410 S1: or some choice that they made way back when. And 362 00:21:12,410 --> 00:21:15,730 S1: they have never been able to, to tell that, to 363 00:21:15,770 --> 00:21:19,010 S1: get the freedom from it. They've asked God to forgive them, 364 00:21:19,010 --> 00:21:24,010 S1: but they're hanging on to that themselves. And, and that's, 365 00:21:24,010 --> 00:21:27,330 S1: that's a prison of, in a sense of your own making, 366 00:21:27,369 --> 00:21:30,560 S1: not putting shame on you, but the freedom. The Freedom. 367 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,879 S1: The liberty is there, the liberation is there. But it 368 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,280 S1: takes courage to overcome. And that's why I asked you 369 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,040 S1: the question, how did you get the courage to do that? 370 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,439 S1: And it was because of your kids. You really wanted 371 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:43,960 S1: them to be free, right? 372 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,840 S2: Mhm. I did, I really wanted to be able to 373 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,480 S2: disciple my children with freedom in freedom, out of wholeness, um, 374 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,119 S2: not out of fear. It's so important that we don't 375 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,879 S2: teach them about God's gift of sex from a standpoint 376 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,919 S2: of fear of misusing it or fear of consequences. Instead, 377 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,200 S2: we need to teach it out of a wholeness of 378 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,520 S2: the beauty of the gift that it is, and how 379 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,520 S2: you can experience such beautiful intimacy, such a beautiful intimacy 380 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,800 S2: in marriage that the Bible says it's a picture of 381 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,440 S2: the intimacy that we can experience with Jesus Christ. Yeah. 382 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,800 S1: I want to talk with you about the the whole dress, 383 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,480 S1: how you dress and all of that. And then tomorrow 384 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,679 S1: on the program, we may touch on it here today, 385 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,280 S1: but we're going to talk about purity culture pretty much 386 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:33,800 S1: all tomorrow Amy Davison is going to join us as well. 387 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,680 S1: Then we're talking about. And the bride wore white. Seven 388 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,760 S1: truths to live in sexual integrity no matter your past. 389 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,440 S1: And you say, well, I read that a long time ago, Chris. Yeah, 390 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,280 S1: I came out 25 years ago, but Danny Gresh has 391 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,760 S1: taken a really hard look at the things that she 392 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,240 S1: wrote in there and some things that she wanted to 393 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:55,440 S1: rewrite or re-explain. And that's the new edition that is 394 00:22:55,440 --> 00:23:00,040 S1: out today. If you go to chris.org, you can find 395 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,800 S1: out more right there. We got a link to it 396 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:09,679 S1: at Chris Fabry live.org. I'll open the phone lines at (877) 548-3675. 397 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,880 S1: Isabella is in Mississippi. Hi, Isabella. Go right ahead. 398 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,119 S3: Hey, how's everybody doing today? 399 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,080 S1: We're doing great. Thank you. 400 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,920 S3: All right. I have enjoyed today. And I'm telling you, 401 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:27,600 S3: when the first guy that came on, Chris, uh, he 402 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,670 S3: hit me in the heart. And then you've come on 403 00:23:31,670 --> 00:23:34,470 S3: and hit me in the head and heart and everywhere else. 404 00:23:34,869 --> 00:23:37,669 S3: And I just had to call back and give a comment. 405 00:23:37,670 --> 00:23:43,750 S3: I am 75 years old and from the very beginning 406 00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:49,189 S3: in life, um, I made some bad choices. And that is, uh, 407 00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:53,469 S3: I'm a single parent and what has happened two times 408 00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:59,190 S3: and in my doing that, it did alter my future tremendously. 409 00:23:59,710 --> 00:24:04,109 S3: And what has happened is, uh, even in my old age, 410 00:24:04,109 --> 00:24:07,750 S3: I am a Christian. Uh, I love the Lord and 411 00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:10,629 S3: he loves me. And I've been listening to some of 412 00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:14,270 S3: the comments that, uh, both of you had, and they 413 00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:18,750 S3: are very good. Uh, I do want to, uh, this 414 00:24:18,750 --> 00:24:22,750 S3: is what really has had had to happen to me. Uh, 415 00:24:22,790 --> 00:24:26,750 S3: it wasn't so much my confessing it to one another, 416 00:24:26,820 --> 00:24:31,020 S3: But my just coming to the realization that, uh, to 417 00:24:31,060 --> 00:24:36,780 S3: Christ about what choices I had made, uh, that was 418 00:24:36,780 --> 00:24:41,300 S3: not according to his will. We all are going to fall. 419 00:24:41,619 --> 00:24:46,620 S3: Whenever I think about the sexual sins today, uh, it's 420 00:24:46,619 --> 00:24:49,700 S3: been since the beginning of time and it has just 421 00:24:49,700 --> 00:24:52,820 S3: magnified now. So we are really going to have to 422 00:24:52,859 --> 00:24:56,619 S3: talk to our children, our young folks, adults. So many 423 00:24:56,619 --> 00:25:01,580 S3: people are living together, uh, now. And we are going 424 00:25:01,580 --> 00:25:04,780 S3: to have to, as the church, I'm attending a church 425 00:25:04,780 --> 00:25:08,179 S3: where they are just saying everything about what God's Word 426 00:25:08,180 --> 00:25:11,900 S3: says about our, um, the way we ought to live. 427 00:25:12,180 --> 00:25:16,419 S3: And listen, at my age, I am amazed when the 428 00:25:16,420 --> 00:25:21,460 S3: pastor says, uh, I was there at one time too. 429 00:25:21,460 --> 00:25:22,980 S3: And I'm saying, wow. 430 00:25:23,540 --> 00:25:24,460 S4: That is it. 431 00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:25,699 S1: That vulnerability. 432 00:25:25,740 --> 00:25:27,619 S4: What you just described, Isabella. 433 00:25:27,980 --> 00:25:31,700 S1: Is what Dana did 25 years ago, and then she's 434 00:25:31,700 --> 00:25:35,179 S1: going even further today in and the bride wore white. 435 00:25:35,180 --> 00:25:37,940 S1: So Isabella, thank you for being open and honest with us. 436 00:25:37,980 --> 00:25:41,380 S1: Vulnerable with us at 75. I love it. I'm going 437 00:25:41,380 --> 00:25:43,780 S1: to get Dana to respond to you after we come 438 00:25:43,780 --> 00:25:51,100 S1: back from a break. Here's our number (877) 548-3675 more straight ahead. 439 00:26:04,100 --> 00:26:04,700 S5: If you go to Chris. 440 00:26:04,740 --> 00:26:07,859 S1: Fabry live.org, click through today's information or you'll see it 441 00:26:07,859 --> 00:26:10,740 S1: right there on the home page. And the bride wore white. 442 00:26:11,180 --> 00:26:15,500 S1: Seven truths to live in sexual integrity. No matter your past. 443 00:26:15,540 --> 00:26:17,540 S1: Now I've gone online and I've found some of the 444 00:26:17,540 --> 00:26:22,700 S1: older versions of this. But the newest version is out today, 445 00:26:23,220 --> 00:26:28,330 S1: May 5th of 2026, written by Dana Gresh. She's joining 446 00:26:28,330 --> 00:26:34,690 S1: us today at the Backyard Fence, and the number is (877) 548-3675. 447 00:26:34,690 --> 00:26:37,170 S1: I want to get your response to Isabella. 448 00:26:38,090 --> 00:26:41,450 S2: Oh, I loved that she was vulnerable because I just 449 00:26:41,450 --> 00:26:44,729 S2: believe that that is something that's missing dramatically in the 450 00:26:44,730 --> 00:26:48,170 S2: body of Christ. And she brought up something that's worth 451 00:26:48,170 --> 00:26:51,850 S2: talking about. And that is the cohabitation. Uh, there really 452 00:26:51,850 --> 00:26:55,250 S2: is an increase in that and we should be concerned 453 00:26:55,250 --> 00:26:59,209 S2: about it. Um, from a biblical perspective and just a 454 00:26:59,210 --> 00:27:05,090 S2: practical perspective of the happiness of our children. But when 455 00:27:05,090 --> 00:27:07,850 S2: we were working on bride, we even had to sit 456 00:27:07,850 --> 00:27:10,210 S2: down and decide, do we even keep the title? Is 457 00:27:10,210 --> 00:27:13,490 S2: the title outdated? Do kids even want to get married today? 458 00:27:13,770 --> 00:27:17,330 S2: And so I found this survey, um, according to the 459 00:27:17,330 --> 00:27:21,609 S2: center for Marriage and Family Research, 95% of teens age 460 00:27:21,609 --> 00:27:24,010 S2: 15 to 19 Do you want to get married one day? 461 00:27:24,010 --> 00:27:27,330 S2: That's the good news. That's the really good news. But 462 00:27:27,330 --> 00:27:32,810 S2: nearly 80% expect to cohabitate first. And that's, I think, 463 00:27:32,810 --> 00:27:37,370 S2: something that we need to, uh, really get more conversant 464 00:27:37,369 --> 00:27:41,770 S2: about in the church, communicating with kids when they're younger, 465 00:27:41,810 --> 00:27:47,010 S2: what the blessings are of marriage and why that probably 466 00:27:47,010 --> 00:27:49,129 S2: isn't God's plan and why it's not the best plan, 467 00:27:49,170 --> 00:27:52,970 S2: because in our silence, it just becomes a megaphone for 468 00:27:52,970 --> 00:27:57,970 S2: the expectation that that's what your life is going to unfold. Like, yeah. 469 00:27:58,210 --> 00:28:01,969 S1: And people don't, you know, you don't have to go 470 00:28:01,970 --> 00:28:06,090 S1: to the Bible to find statistical data that the cohabitation 471 00:28:06,090 --> 00:28:08,930 S1: doesn't work. You know, there have been so many studies 472 00:28:08,930 --> 00:28:12,290 S1: that have been done by that, but you continually hear this, 473 00:28:12,330 --> 00:28:13,609 S1: you know, if I'm going to buy a car, I'm 474 00:28:13,609 --> 00:28:15,649 S1: gonna have to test drive it, that kind of thing. 475 00:28:15,810 --> 00:28:17,970 S1: And it's not the same way. We go back to 476 00:28:18,010 --> 00:28:20,050 S1: the yada that you were talking about. We're not just 477 00:28:20,050 --> 00:28:23,240 S1: talking about physical compatibility here, right? 478 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,440 S2: That's right. That's and absolutely the young couple that has 479 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,280 S2: sex for the first time and does it well has 480 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,920 S2: no idea what decades of loving each other well will 481 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,320 S2: bring to that moment in their marriage bed. Um, it 482 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,880 S2: doesn't happen overnight. It it comes with knowing. It comes 483 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,960 S2: with conversations. It comes with going through the highs and 484 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,120 S2: the lows and still being there and still loving each other. 485 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,880 S2: And there's, there's a greater intimacy and many times, not 486 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,720 S2: always a greater pleasure that comes out of that, that 487 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,000 S2: you can't experience in a hookup. 488 00:28:59,440 --> 00:28:59,840 S4: Yeah. 489 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,000 S1: Um, talk about dress because you brought this up just 490 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,800 S1: a minute ago and that I've heard this continually, and 491 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,680 S1: I'm all for modesty and I want young women to, 492 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,320 S1: to hear that that message about modesty and follow it. 493 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,520 S1: But the other part of that, that I have heard 494 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:23,440 S1: is young men can't control themselves. They can't control what 495 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,360 S1: they look at. And so you need to cover up 496 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,680 S1: and make sure that, you know, you don't tempt them. 497 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,960 S1: And it's if they're tempted, it's because it's because of 498 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,280 S1: the young woman. And it's like, no, as a man 499 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,360 S1: and as a young man, I have the choice. I 500 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:43,680 S1: have the opportunity to either of fantasize, you know, to 501 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,080 S1: look at another person or not. I can I can 502 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,920 S1: exhibit self-control. It may be harder, you know, if you 503 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,760 S1: dress seductively or you dress you don't dress modestly. How 504 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,000 S1: do you view that? 505 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,040 S2: I think that talking to our daughters about dressing with 506 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,400 S2: dignity and understanding that their bodies matter is helping them 507 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,880 S2: understand their value. It's helping them to understand that they 508 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,360 S2: deserve to be treated with respect by themselves first, and 509 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,270 S2: also by others. And I also think there's a much bigger, 510 00:30:19,390 --> 00:30:24,550 S2: bigger biblical theological component to this that you hardly ever 511 00:30:24,550 --> 00:30:28,310 S2: hear talked about. I call it the theology of clothing. 512 00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:31,790 S2: If you look at Scripture, it really if you were 513 00:30:31,790 --> 00:30:34,710 S2: to pick maybe the top 20 themes that run through it, 514 00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:37,590 S2: clothing is one of them. Let's start with the fact 515 00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:41,830 S2: that we're supposed to be clothed in Christ. As Christians, 516 00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:44,950 S2: people should look at us and see that we're adorned 517 00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:47,310 S2: with the gospel. But you go all the way back 518 00:30:47,310 --> 00:30:51,270 S2: to Genesis, and right there at the base of the 519 00:30:51,270 --> 00:30:53,950 S2: tree in the Garden of Eden, at the site of 520 00:30:53,950 --> 00:30:56,910 S2: the first sin, there are clothes. Now, how do those 521 00:30:56,910 --> 00:31:00,590 S2: clothes come to be? Well, Adam and Eve are ashamed. 522 00:31:00,630 --> 00:31:04,030 S2: They're hiding. And they found some fig leaves. And they've 523 00:31:04,030 --> 00:31:07,350 S2: covered themselves up in their shame. And they're hiding from God. 524 00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:09,830 S2: But God comes to them. He says, where are you? 525 00:31:09,870 --> 00:31:12,870 S2: Of course he knows where they are. He always knows 526 00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:15,350 S2: where we are when we're hiding. And he's always coming, 527 00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:18,270 S2: looking for us and saying, where are you, my sweet girl? 528 00:31:18,270 --> 00:31:22,790 S2: Where are you, my friend? And when he finds them, 529 00:31:23,030 --> 00:31:27,510 S2: he talks to them about the consequences. I think it's, um, descriptive, 530 00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:30,470 S2: not prescriptive that he's saying, hey, listen, you just just 531 00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:32,750 S2: as if you broke the law of gravity by jumping 532 00:31:32,750 --> 00:31:36,910 S2: off the top of a building. You broke laws of relationship. 533 00:31:36,910 --> 00:31:38,630 S2: And there's going to be a, you're going to feel 534 00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:41,710 S2: it when you hit. And so he explains that to them. 535 00:31:41,710 --> 00:31:45,350 S2: But then he comforts them with what clothing? The first 536 00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:49,270 S2: time on record, we see an animal is killed. That 537 00:31:49,270 --> 00:31:54,430 S2: animal is skinned, and God makes garments of fur to 538 00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:58,990 S2: comfort them. And the language in the original Hebrew is 539 00:31:58,990 --> 00:32:02,190 S2: that he created robes for them. Now, there are some 540 00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:05,270 S2: theologians who think that really matters, that if you look 541 00:32:05,270 --> 00:32:07,710 S2: at other places in the Old Testament where the word 542 00:32:07,710 --> 00:32:14,390 S2: robe is used, it is to signify significant worth and dignity. Essentially. 543 00:32:14,390 --> 00:32:17,780 S2: I think the reason that we dress a certain way 544 00:32:18,100 --> 00:32:21,580 S2: is because when Adam and Eve were dressed a certain way, 545 00:32:21,620 --> 00:32:26,220 S2: it basically said the gospel was here. The first gospel 546 00:32:27,140 --> 00:32:32,540 S2: of blood being shed and God bringing comfort happened here. 547 00:32:32,540 --> 00:32:35,740 S2: And these clothes remind us of that. And when we're 548 00:32:35,740 --> 00:32:38,780 S2: supposed to be clothed in Christ, I think that means 549 00:32:38,780 --> 00:32:41,940 S2: that we show up different in life with different dignity. 550 00:32:41,980 --> 00:32:45,220 S2: We understand the robe of worth that we wear as 551 00:32:45,220 --> 00:32:48,780 S2: followers of Jesus. That means that we do dress differently. 552 00:32:48,780 --> 00:32:51,820 S2: We talk differently. We act differently too. But it does 553 00:32:51,820 --> 00:32:55,180 S2: include our dress. And we have this echo chamber of 554 00:32:55,180 --> 00:32:58,580 S2: conversation happening in the church right now, that if we 555 00:32:58,580 --> 00:33:01,340 S2: talk to our daughters about their worth and how they dress, 556 00:33:01,340 --> 00:33:04,540 S2: that we're body shaming them. It is true that if 557 00:33:04,540 --> 00:33:07,660 S2: you're legalistic about it, you probably could create shame in 558 00:33:07,660 --> 00:33:11,260 S2: your daughter. But if you approach it from a grace 559 00:33:11,300 --> 00:33:15,580 S2: filled biblical point of view, you can instead increase her 560 00:33:15,580 --> 00:33:17,380 S2: understanding of her worth in Christ. 561 00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:22,780 S1: I love to that you give space in the book 562 00:33:22,820 --> 00:33:25,380 S1: as well as, you know, get a journal. There's also 563 00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:28,300 S1: a companion journal that you can get for this for 564 00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:31,860 S1: the the young woman who's reading this to, okay, write 565 00:33:31,860 --> 00:33:37,220 S1: this out. There's something about physically writing down your story 566 00:33:37,220 --> 00:33:41,380 S1: and your experience. And maybe that is an entree then 567 00:33:41,380 --> 00:33:43,740 S1: to being able to talk with someone else. When you 568 00:33:43,740 --> 00:33:47,380 S1: write it down, you're telling yourself the truth. And God is, 569 00:33:47,420 --> 00:33:50,180 S1: you know, at the same time. And that makes it 570 00:33:50,180 --> 00:33:53,460 S1: maybe a little bit easier to talk with a mentor 571 00:33:53,460 --> 00:33:55,500 S1: or a friend about that. What do you think? 572 00:33:56,100 --> 00:33:58,780 S2: Yeah, I think this is really important because so many 573 00:33:58,780 --> 00:34:02,980 S2: times our experience in church is that we sit in 574 00:34:02,980 --> 00:34:06,260 S2: church and we look at a couple of pastors and 575 00:34:06,260 --> 00:34:11,060 S2: a worship leader, and they're all communicating what they believe. 576 00:34:11,540 --> 00:34:14,609 S2: And we have heard 5 to 7 people on a 577 00:34:14,610 --> 00:34:17,930 S2: Sunday say what they believe, but we haven't communicated what 578 00:34:17,930 --> 00:34:21,050 S2: we believe. And so I think we need more resources. 579 00:34:21,090 --> 00:34:23,650 S2: Like what I've tried to create in The Bride Wore White, 580 00:34:23,650 --> 00:34:28,490 S2: where we ask the listener, the learner, to speak back 581 00:34:28,530 --> 00:34:32,009 S2: to right back and and to think through, what do 582 00:34:32,010 --> 00:34:34,330 S2: I believe? How would I say this? How does this 583 00:34:34,330 --> 00:34:38,290 S2: fit into my life? Because that's where it really gets cemented, right? 584 00:34:38,330 --> 00:34:41,089 S2: Not just in hearing, but in doing and writing it 585 00:34:41,090 --> 00:34:43,210 S2: down like that is the first step in doing. 586 00:34:43,810 --> 00:34:46,850 S1: For a new generation. And The Bride Wore White by 587 00:34:46,850 --> 00:34:52,930 S1: Dana Gresh. The new version is out today, May 5th, 2026. 588 00:34:53,170 --> 00:34:56,569 S1: You can find it at Chris Fabry live.org and is 589 00:34:56,570 --> 00:35:00,489 S1: around the corner from Dana in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. Hi, Anne. 590 00:35:00,530 --> 00:35:01,290 S1: Go right ahead. 591 00:35:01,650 --> 00:35:03,290 S6: Hi, Chris. How are you? Thank you. 592 00:35:03,570 --> 00:35:03,850 S1: Great. 593 00:35:03,850 --> 00:35:07,609 S6: Thank you. Good, good. Hey, I love this conversation. Thank 594 00:35:07,610 --> 00:35:11,090 S6: you for having it. It's so critical to today's issues 595 00:35:11,090 --> 00:35:13,680 S6: we have in the schools and in the homes in 596 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,880 S6: the church. However, there is one layer that is rarely 597 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,960 S6: to ever expressed about this, and that is that all pornography, 598 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,080 S6: in one way or another, leads to human trafficking. And 599 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,000 S6: most people do not have a frame of reference for that. 600 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,880 S6: But there are ministries that I personally partner with and, um, 601 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,279 S6: and that connect with each other that have been doing 602 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,239 S6: this for, you know, three, four decades, uh, like Troy 603 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,239 S6: Brewer ministries and Craig Sawyer and different ones that are 604 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,560 S6: out there actually rescuing children. And they have found consistently 605 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,000 S6: across the globe that there is always a connection to 606 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,680 S6: pornography and slavery, um, human trafficking. So I just want 607 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,240 S6: to make sure that people understand that, um, it's not 608 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,680 S6: talked about, it's not connected. The dots are connected because 609 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,640 S6: people think, oh, I'm just on my computer at home. 610 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,520 S6: I'm just on my phone. I'm not harming anyone. But 611 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,120 S6: the fact is somebody somewhere is being funded and sold 612 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:11,160 S6: through a cartel because of those clicks, because of those views, 613 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,800 S6: it is monetized. 614 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,720 S1: Dana, what do you say to that? 615 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,680 S2: Yeah, I absolutely agree. And I would add to that, 616 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:23,719 S2: that we are becoming very, um, uh, um, to the 617 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,439 S2: fact that that's what's happening. And, you know, we have 618 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:33,600 S2: things like OnlyFans and other types of online social mediums 619 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,120 S2: where you can pay for sex. It's prostitution. And first 620 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:42,200 S2: of all, Scripture clearly forbids prostitution. And nobody wants to think, 621 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,000 S2: oh my child, when they're, they're paying for and clicking 622 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,799 S2: on a social media and it's something sexual that's prostitution. No, 623 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,920 S2: it is prostitution. It is an exchange of money for sexual, um, 624 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,879 S2: and a sexual encounter. And we're becoming very numb to 625 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,800 S2: the fact that that's what it is. That's what's happening 626 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,359 S2: online today. And we're also becoming very numb to the 627 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,960 S2: fact that there are victims, but there are victims and 628 00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:11,910 S2: some of those victims are very young. And I'm so 629 00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:14,190 S2: glad you called in to point that out. And because 630 00:37:14,190 --> 00:37:16,510 S2: I'm going to jump up on that soapbox with you today. 631 00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:20,430 S1: Yeah, that's Danny Gresh and the bride Wore white. Seven 632 00:37:20,430 --> 00:37:24,670 S1: truths to Live in Sexual Integrity, No matter Your Past 633 00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:26,670 S1: is our featured resource. 634 00:37:26,670 --> 00:37:27,110 S5: At Chris. 635 00:37:27,150 --> 00:37:33,110 S1: Fabry live.org. Chris Fabry live.org. We're going to talk about 636 00:37:33,110 --> 00:37:35,989 S1: purity culture during the program tomorrow, but I want to 637 00:37:35,989 --> 00:37:38,670 S1: touch on that coming up in our final segment with 638 00:37:38,670 --> 00:37:51,310 S1: Dana straight ahead on Moody Radio. Our remaining moments with 639 00:37:51,310 --> 00:37:54,430 S1: Dana Gresh on this anniversary edition of Chris Fabry Live. Yes, 640 00:37:54,670 --> 00:37:59,310 S1: our 18th anniversary. Day one of year 19. And we're 641 00:37:59,310 --> 00:38:03,750 S1: doing Dana Greg's book, a Featured resource today. And the 642 00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:07,590 S1: Bride Wore White. Seven Truths to Live in Sexual Integrity 643 00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:11,549 S1: no matter your past. This is for younger women or 644 00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:15,790 S1: teen girls and college age. But I think there are 645 00:38:15,790 --> 00:38:19,230 S1: a lot of adult women who could use this teaching 646 00:38:19,230 --> 00:38:21,910 S1: as well. And there was one dad who called in 647 00:38:22,469 --> 00:38:25,150 S1: who couldn't stay on the line. And his question was, 648 00:38:25,150 --> 00:38:30,109 S1: what is the role of fathers in their daughters lives? 649 00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:31,230 S1: What do you say? Dana. 650 00:38:31,870 --> 00:38:36,430 S2: Go, dad. Yes. Love that he called in. Um, I 651 00:38:36,469 --> 00:38:39,430 S2: want to start with this. That we don't we. We 652 00:38:39,469 --> 00:38:42,390 S2: see very clearly that one of the greatest risk reducers, 653 00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:46,230 S2: practically speaking, to anything our heart fears for our kids 654 00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:51,150 S2: is parent child connectedness. So when you feel connected to 655 00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:53,830 S2: your parents because they're like really looking you in the 656 00:38:53,830 --> 00:38:56,710 S2: eye during dinner and the screens are away and you're 657 00:38:56,710 --> 00:39:00,870 S2: encountering each other in an emotional way, you're having deep, 658 00:39:00,870 --> 00:39:05,150 S2: meaningful conversations. You enjoy each other. You can put that 659 00:39:05,150 --> 00:39:08,180 S2: family in some of the most at risk communities. And 660 00:39:08,180 --> 00:39:11,780 S2: those children are much safer there. Their risk goes way down. 661 00:39:11,940 --> 00:39:16,259 S2: So it's parent child connection overall. But there's also research 662 00:39:16,260 --> 00:39:21,540 S2: that indicates that engaged warm present fathers do provide some 663 00:39:21,540 --> 00:39:25,780 S2: sort of a special protection to girls specifically. Uh, those 664 00:39:25,780 --> 00:39:29,819 S2: girls understand their worth because their dad is communicating it 665 00:39:29,820 --> 00:39:34,060 S2: to them. It does lower the, the risk of premature, 666 00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:38,460 S2: premature sexual initiation. It lowers the risk of teen pregnancy. 667 00:39:38,660 --> 00:39:41,660 S2: It lowers the risk of risky behavior overall. So that 668 00:39:41,660 --> 00:39:45,219 S2: father daughter relationship. And so the father son relationship as 669 00:39:45,219 --> 00:39:48,460 S2: well is really, really important. I also think it affects 670 00:39:48,460 --> 00:39:52,259 S2: their faith. There's significant research that dads that are engaged 671 00:39:52,260 --> 00:39:55,940 S2: in faith and go to church have such a positive 672 00:39:55,940 --> 00:39:58,540 S2: impact on their kids following in their footsteps. 673 00:39:59,219 --> 00:40:03,340 S1: When you published this 25 years ago, things were changing. 674 00:40:03,380 --> 00:40:07,180 S1: Sex was being talked about more in the church, but 675 00:40:07,180 --> 00:40:10,940 S1: there was this purity culture movement that was going on 676 00:40:10,980 --> 00:40:14,060 S1: that you really wanted then to speak into, and you 677 00:40:14,060 --> 00:40:16,739 S1: still want to talk about that. We're going to talk 678 00:40:16,780 --> 00:40:19,940 S1: about that the whole hour tomorrow, but lead us into 679 00:40:19,940 --> 00:40:20,620 S1: that today. 680 00:40:21,140 --> 00:40:23,740 S2: Yeah. I've spent about the last 2 or 3 years 681 00:40:23,739 --> 00:40:27,820 S2: studying this movement and trying to pinpoint what we did right, 682 00:40:27,820 --> 00:40:30,220 S2: what we did wrong. There's a lot of positive fruit 683 00:40:30,219 --> 00:40:33,700 S2: that came out of that time. Things like teen pregnancies 684 00:40:33,700 --> 00:40:39,460 S2: dramatically lowered, um, awareness of sexually transmitted diseases, more responsibility, 685 00:40:39,460 --> 00:40:43,339 S2: the church talking about sex. Hallelujah. The ones who know 686 00:40:43,340 --> 00:40:47,700 S2: God best, the designer and and definer of sex and 687 00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:50,100 S2: gender should be the ones talking about it. So there 688 00:40:50,100 --> 00:40:53,020 S2: were so many good things. I've heard so many good 689 00:40:53,020 --> 00:40:56,140 S2: testimonies of women who were blessed by that teaching. But 690 00:40:56,140 --> 00:40:59,620 S2: there's a spectrum, right? And the spectrum of teaching sex 691 00:40:59,620 --> 00:41:02,700 S2: and gender in the church runs from license to legalism. 692 00:41:03,140 --> 00:41:05,930 S2: And if you're on any of those polar ends of 693 00:41:05,930 --> 00:41:09,129 S2: the spectrum, you're probably coming out with a lot of 694 00:41:09,130 --> 00:41:12,890 S2: hurt and a lot of pain. And I saw that then, 695 00:41:12,890 --> 00:41:16,170 S2: and I see it now. When I originally wrote the book, 696 00:41:16,210 --> 00:41:19,810 S2: the biggest area of pain for me was the fact 697 00:41:19,810 --> 00:41:23,569 S2: that the word purity was used because it made me 698 00:41:23,570 --> 00:41:27,689 S2: feel so impure as having been a sexually active teenager. 699 00:41:28,210 --> 00:41:30,690 S2: And I really wrestled with that. And I went to 700 00:41:30,730 --> 00:41:33,810 S2: God's word, and I went to godly women who helped 701 00:41:33,810 --> 00:41:36,690 S2: me grow and understand. As you heard at the beginning, 702 00:41:36,690 --> 00:41:40,569 S2: my testimony of wanting to be pure because Christ is 703 00:41:40,570 --> 00:41:43,450 S2: pure and understanding. That is he. It is he who 704 00:41:43,450 --> 00:41:47,410 S2: does that in me, not me. But at the same time, 705 00:41:47,650 --> 00:41:52,730 S2: somehow this word purity got pigeonholed to equal virginity. And 706 00:41:52,730 --> 00:41:55,330 S2: from the very beginning, every time I spoke, I would 707 00:41:55,330 --> 00:41:58,370 S2: tell the audience, raise your arm in the air and 708 00:41:58,690 --> 00:42:02,610 S2: just erase that virgin line, because that is not equal 709 00:42:02,610 --> 00:42:05,250 S2: to purity. That is not a. There are so many 710 00:42:05,250 --> 00:42:09,529 S2: girls who are not virgins who are pure before God 711 00:42:09,530 --> 00:42:12,489 S2: in such a beautiful, precious way. He has washed them 712 00:42:12,489 --> 00:42:14,529 S2: and cleansed them. And there are so many girls who 713 00:42:14,530 --> 00:42:17,130 S2: are technically virgins who are not in any way, shape 714 00:42:17,130 --> 00:42:22,450 S2: or form moving towards Christ, purifying them. They're living with 715 00:42:22,489 --> 00:42:25,290 S2: throwing caution to the wind. And so I really wanted 716 00:42:25,290 --> 00:42:30,609 S2: to see us have a more robust use of that word. Unfortunately, 717 00:42:30,610 --> 00:42:33,570 S2: now we here we are 20 years later, and that 718 00:42:33,570 --> 00:42:36,009 S2: word did cause some pain. Now I also want to 719 00:42:36,010 --> 00:42:39,290 S2: defend it. The people in the church that decided to 720 00:42:39,330 --> 00:42:41,690 S2: use that word were using it on the backdrop of 721 00:42:41,690 --> 00:42:45,090 S2: the abstinence movement. And abstain is not an adequate word 722 00:42:45,090 --> 00:42:49,410 S2: for the Christian conversation, because our goal is not to 723 00:42:49,450 --> 00:42:54,850 S2: not have sex and our goal is not over. Once 724 00:42:54,850 --> 00:42:57,770 S2: we're married, like after we're married, we still want to 725 00:42:57,810 --> 00:43:00,850 S2: live lives of sexual integrity. So there were really good 726 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,840 S2: reasons for selecting that word. And I think the word 727 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:08,879 S2: was meant to give context to Christian teenagers that this 728 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,239 S2: is about more than just not having sex. It's about 729 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,759 S2: purity of mind. It's about purity of heart, and it's 730 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,320 S2: about purity of body. It's also about living in holiness 731 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,480 S2: before God. So the reason we chose the word was good, 732 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,040 S2: but it did get pigeonholed. And we have got some 733 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:24,920 S2: cleaning up to do. 734 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,600 S1: And moving away from the whole shame thing that you're 735 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,880 S1: talking about there. You have to be honest too. There 736 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,720 S1: were many young women, at least a percentage of young women, 737 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:41,359 S1: who heard that purity culture, the purity discussion, and who 738 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,320 S1: got the ring and everything, and who walked away from 739 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,600 S1: their faith for one reason or another. And you're addressing 740 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,560 S1: them as well, in a sense. 741 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,240 S2: You know, as I'm rewriting this book, they're the ones 742 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:59,880 S2: most on my heart. Um, they've been hurt and They've 743 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,759 S2: been hurt in the church, by the church, whether or 744 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:07,680 S2: not it was intentional. And so as a collective body 745 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,760 S2: of Christ, we have to weep with and for them. 746 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,400 S2: And we have to have a conversation first and foremost 747 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,200 S2: to heal hearts. But then the second reason we have 748 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,080 S2: to have a conversation is so that we're not sitting 749 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,879 S2: here 20 years from now with more hurt hearts, but 750 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:26,080 S2: we've passed on a better conversation for the next generation 751 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,279 S2: to teach their children sexual integrity. 752 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,080 S1: There's an awful lot of hope here, Dana, and that's 753 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,120 S1: what I want to get into tomorrow. And I'd love 754 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,840 S1: for you to talk to the parent or the grandparent 755 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,120 S1: who has a child or grandchild, who's done that very thing, 756 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,240 S1: who has walked away from the faith because of this 757 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,200 S1: thing that they heard in church, and they reacted negatively 758 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,800 S1: to it. There is a lot of hope for those 759 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,680 S1: people who are praying for their kids and grandkids, right? 760 00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,189 S2: There's so much hope and prayer and there's so much 761 00:44:59,190 --> 00:45:02,710 S2: hope in just talking, saying, listen, did this hurt? You 762 00:45:02,750 --> 00:45:05,350 S2: did this specific. As I've been praying, I felt like 763 00:45:05,350 --> 00:45:08,830 S2: maybe this purity conversation was painful for you. I'd love 764 00:45:08,830 --> 00:45:11,469 S2: to talk to you about that. You won't believe the 765 00:45:11,469 --> 00:45:14,590 S2: power of that. That invitation. Yeah. 766 00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:17,950 S1: Amy Davidson is going to join us tomorrow from Mama 767 00:45:17,950 --> 00:45:20,870 S1: Bear Apologetics. And Dan is going to be back. And 768 00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:23,870 S1: we're going to focus mainly on that because I know 769 00:45:23,870 --> 00:45:26,470 S1: that the book deals a lot with it. I wanted 770 00:45:26,469 --> 00:45:28,950 S1: to give a kind of a flyover for you today. 771 00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:32,670 S1: And this edition of an The Bride Wore white Seven 772 00:45:32,670 --> 00:45:36,590 S1: Truths to Live in Sexual Integrity, No Matter Your Past. 773 00:45:36,830 --> 00:45:37,390 S5: It's our featured. 774 00:45:37,390 --> 00:45:42,630 S1: Resource@kris.org and it comes out today. You may find online 775 00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:45,910 S1: some other editions that were earlier. Look for the one 776 00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:49,509 S1: that's revised and has been rewritten by Dana. 777 00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:51,390 S5: Dana, it's great to get to talk with you. I 778 00:45:51,390 --> 00:45:51,670 S5: get to. 779 00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:54,390 S1: Talk with you again tomorrow. So you come back with us, okay? 780 00:45:55,070 --> 00:45:57,070 S2: I will. Happy anniversary friend. 781 00:45:58,469 --> 00:46:02,029 S1: And if you go to the website chris.org, you'll see 782 00:46:02,030 --> 00:46:05,310 S1: the link right there. And the bride wore white. Seven 783 00:46:05,310 --> 00:46:09,390 S1: truths to live in sexual integrity. No matter your past. 784 00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:13,110 S1: It might be the very thing that you need to read. 785 00:46:13,110 --> 00:46:17,030 S1: Or that you can pass to a daughter or a granddaughter. 786 00:46:17,230 --> 00:46:19,630 S1: And we have it linked for you right there. Again, 787 00:46:19,630 --> 00:46:22,629 S1: Amy Davidson is going to be with us tomorrow. And 788 00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:25,989 S1: then on Thursday, it's the National Day of Prayer. And 789 00:46:25,989 --> 00:46:29,790 S1: I've made a connection with a friend from 35, 40 790 00:46:29,830 --> 00:46:33,509 S1: years ago who's going to come alongside us and have 791 00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:37,870 S1: a real candid conversation about prayer and how to pray 792 00:46:37,870 --> 00:46:40,350 S1: the Bible. We'll do that on Thursday here on Chris 793 00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:43,790 S1: Fabry Live, a production of Moody Radio, a Ministry of 794 00:46:43,790 --> 00:46:46,830 S1: Moody Bible Institute. Thanks a lot for listening.