1 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:07,920 S1: Oh, I can't wait. One of my favorite conversations of 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:09,600 S1: the month. When those boys of the Bible make an 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,040 S1: appearance and tackle your questions. I'm talking about the two Michaels. 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,560 S1: They put the men in commentary, the ancient saints and 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,160 S1: the Chad and eschatology. And now is the time to call. 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,320 S1: Don't wait till the end of the hour. Grab a phone. 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:25,640 S1: Talk with the two Michaels. Eight. Seven seven. Five. Four. Eight. Three. Six. Seven. Five. 8 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,040 S1: We'll get to as many of you as we can today. 9 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,760 S1: And remember, this is not Stump the Michaels or Vex 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:32,839 S1: the Michaels with how many angels can dance on the 11 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,680 S1: head of a pin. It's a genuine question that makes 12 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,760 S1: you wonder, what would the Michaels say about this passage? 13 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,800 S1: About this verse? Maybe it's something you read this morning 14 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,800 S1: or you've had this question for years. They're approachable, they're humble, 15 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,280 S1: they listen well and they don't charge you for this. 16 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:54,160 S1: So let's get started again. (877) 548-3675 Ryan is feeling puny today. 17 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,280 S1: Chris Segard is doing all things technical. Tricia is our producer. 18 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,060 S1: Lisa is around. I saw her a minute ago. Josh 19 00:01:01,100 --> 00:01:04,220 S1: is answering your calls. Now, here they are, general editors 20 00:01:04,220 --> 00:01:06,940 S1: reporting for duty. They put the skip and disciple the 21 00:01:06,940 --> 00:01:10,140 S1: new and hermeneutics, the fish and superficial. I'm talking about 22 00:01:10,140 --> 00:01:14,340 S1: open lines. Doctor Michael Redlick, who is also professor emeritus 23 00:01:14,340 --> 00:01:17,660 S1: of Jewish studies at and Bible at Moody Bible Institute, 24 00:01:17,660 --> 00:01:20,140 S1: and his co-editor of the Moody Bible Commentary, former pastor 25 00:01:20,140 --> 00:01:22,819 S1: of biblical research at Harvest Bible Chapel in Elgin, Illinois. 26 00:01:23,300 --> 00:01:25,700 S1: Michael Van Landingham. I give you, ladies and gentlemen, due 27 00:01:25,740 --> 00:01:31,980 S1: to Michael's. Yay! See how excited I am? I can't 28 00:01:31,980 --> 00:01:35,300 S1: even talk now. Okay, so here's how this works, friends. 29 00:01:35,300 --> 00:01:37,660 S1: I'm going to ask the two Michaels all my questions 30 00:01:37,660 --> 00:01:41,540 S1: until you call. So unless you want me to monopolize 31 00:01:41,540 --> 00:01:49,340 S1: the conversation, call it number (877) 548-3675. Um, something different today. 32 00:01:49,340 --> 00:01:52,260 S1: It's going to be an adventure because Doctor Van Landingham 33 00:01:52,260 --> 00:01:54,540 S1: is on the phone. We have him on the phone, 34 00:01:54,820 --> 00:01:58,800 S1: but Doctor Rudnick is usually in his studio. They cut 35 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:03,200 S1: his his, uh, whatever the cord is that connects you 36 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,040 S1: with Moody Michael. And so you're on the phone, too, right? 37 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,240 S2: Yeah, I was out there. So the cable guy and, uh, 38 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:13,079 S2: about 230, and I said, hey, did you guys do something? 39 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,160 S2: I ran out of my internet's not working. And he said, uh, yeah, 40 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,640 S2: I cut the cable by accident, and. 41 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:23,799 S3: Oh, no. I said, oh, I bet you feel. 42 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,960 S2: Terrible is what I said to him. So. 43 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:27,720 S4: So you didn't yell at him? 44 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,760 S1: Does he know who you are, how important you are? 45 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:32,560 S3: Those guys do really hard work. 46 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,640 S2: And they need to. They need to know that they're 47 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,000 S2: allowed to make mistakes, too. 48 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,680 S1: Absolutely. Okay. That's good. That's a good attitude, isn't it? 49 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,600 S5: Mike V yeah, I you know, it's clear that Nick 50 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,760 S5: is super, well sanctified. It just is so clear, you know. 51 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:49,880 S4: And there was no. 52 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,919 S1: Stress whatsoever in his voice. Okay. So today is Ash Wednesday, 53 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,980 S1: which means Easter Sunday is 40 days away and I 54 00:02:57,980 --> 00:03:00,380 S1: looked it up. It's a holy day of prayer, fasting, 55 00:03:00,380 --> 00:03:08,019 S1: and many Western Christian denominations, uh, Christians of the Catholic, Lutheran, Moravian, Anglican, Episcopalian, 56 00:03:08,020 --> 00:03:17,980 S1: United Protestant denominations, some reformed denominations observe Ash Wednesday and Lent. 57 00:03:18,020 --> 00:03:20,660 S1: We could go more into that. But I wanted to 58 00:03:20,660 --> 00:03:23,780 S1: get you to. Because I don't think you two are. 59 00:03:23,820 --> 00:03:28,300 S1: Are I don't see on your foreheads a cross. Mike, 60 00:03:28,660 --> 00:03:29,700 S1: let me start with you. 61 00:03:31,139 --> 00:03:35,580 S5: Well, I, I really don't know anything about the significance 62 00:03:35,580 --> 00:03:38,660 S5: of Ash Wednesday. I should, but I really don't. I 63 00:03:38,660 --> 00:03:41,020 S5: was raised as a methodist, and if we practiced it, 64 00:03:41,020 --> 00:03:44,820 S5: I didn't pay attention. And I'm kind of a Bible guy. 65 00:03:44,860 --> 00:03:47,700 S5: Not not that those other groups are not. And I 66 00:03:47,700 --> 00:03:49,500 S5: just oh, I don't see it in Scripture. And so 67 00:03:49,540 --> 00:03:52,180 S5: I've never been especially persuaded that I should look into 68 00:03:52,180 --> 00:03:53,340 S5: it and practice it. 69 00:03:53,620 --> 00:03:55,020 S1: Okay. Doctor. Rudnick. 70 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,800 S2: Uh, well, I have two reasons. One, I just I'm 71 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:04,760 S2: not a liturgical kind of person. That's not my, uh, interest. 72 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,880 S2: I think that I guess it's okay every now and 73 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,040 S2: then to have a corporate fast, you know, a church 74 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,120 S2: is looking at an issue or something like that, but, 75 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,560 S2: you know, the whole idea of, you know, having Mardi 76 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,800 S2: Gras the day before Fat Tuesday and then, okay, now 77 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,200 S2: we start, uh, lent. So we kind of go crazy 78 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,320 S2: the day before, and then we, we start lent with, 79 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:30,880 S2: with Ash Wednesday. It just seems, I don't know, uh, 80 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:36,240 S2: a little superficial to me personally. Now, for some people, 81 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,120 S2: it's really meaningful. And so I don't feel like I 82 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,920 S2: should put it, put the kibosh on on them doing it. 83 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,839 S2: But people like me, it's just it's not something that, 84 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,520 S2: that I really want to do. The other thing is, 85 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:56,060 S2: historically with Jewish people, the Lenten season has been when 86 00:04:56,060 --> 00:05:01,779 S2: you look at the from about the Middle Ages onward. Uh, 87 00:05:01,779 --> 00:05:06,900 S2: it opens it with, with with Ash Wednesday. That's when, uh, 88 00:05:07,339 --> 00:05:12,180 S2: people began to really persecute Jewish people, culminating in Easter weekend, 89 00:05:12,180 --> 00:05:16,860 S2: which was the worst, uh, and a lot of accusations, 90 00:05:16,900 --> 00:05:20,500 S2: false accusations about Jewish people and, and attacks on Jewish 91 00:05:20,500 --> 00:05:25,820 S2: people and public mockery. Uh, during that season. And so 92 00:05:26,060 --> 00:05:30,539 S2: it's not, you know, historically, it's not something that that I, uh, 93 00:05:30,620 --> 00:05:34,020 S2: I don't look at it with with fondness. I look 94 00:05:34,060 --> 00:05:36,260 S2: at it as, as a troublesome time. 95 00:05:36,620 --> 00:05:40,859 S1: Yeah. Anything on the Jewish calendar? Uh, no. February 13th. 96 00:05:40,860 --> 00:05:44,540 S1: There was the some kind of a tree celebration, but. 97 00:05:45,339 --> 00:05:45,900 S2: Uh. Yeah. 98 00:05:45,980 --> 00:05:46,659 S1: Yeah. Okay. 99 00:05:47,180 --> 00:05:50,540 S2: Uh, yeah. That's it. Because that's when spring is starting to, uh, 100 00:05:50,660 --> 00:05:54,720 S2: connect in Israel. And so we we plant trees. You know, 101 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,279 S2: that's something that, uh, I think it's so interesting. Israel 102 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,679 S2: was built by planting trees when I was a kid. 103 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,200 S2: You know, other kids would get a train or a 104 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,039 S2: truck for, for their birthday. I'd get a tree planted 105 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:12,400 S2: in Israel for me. Uh, and, and the Talmud really 106 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,559 S2: emphasizes planting of trees. And there's a whole the Jewish 107 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,679 S2: Arbor Day is in February. Yes, yes. 108 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,200 S1: Um, I have some other questions, but, look, we've already 109 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,560 S1: got calls, so I'm going to go. If we don't 110 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,320 S1: get calls, I ask questions. If we get calls, you 111 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:33,760 S1: ask questions. (877) 548-3675 Craig is in New Hampshire. Craig, go 112 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:34,360 S1: right ahead. 113 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,440 S6: Hey, thank you for taking my call. Chris. This question 114 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,560 S6: is for Doctor Rydell, since he's the foremost expert on 115 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,400 S6: Jewish traditions. It's about the temple sacrifice room. 116 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,200 S2: Maybe in this room foremost. 117 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:54,820 S6: Um, Now the the, um, Aaron, the high priest would 118 00:06:54,820 --> 00:06:57,739 S6: sprinkle blood on the mercy seat and on the horns 119 00:06:57,740 --> 00:06:59,980 S6: of the altar. And I'm assuming they would get it 120 00:06:59,980 --> 00:07:03,140 S6: on the holy robes. Now, were these ever cleaned, washed, 121 00:07:03,140 --> 00:07:05,260 S6: or were they just left the way they were from 122 00:07:05,300 --> 00:07:07,460 S6: year to year? Sacrifice to sacrifice. 123 00:07:08,420 --> 00:07:11,620 S2: On the altar. The blood was just left there and 124 00:07:11,620 --> 00:07:15,300 S2: dried there. And there's a really significant reason, I believe, 125 00:07:15,580 --> 00:07:19,980 S2: that it would be left on the altar, um, the 126 00:07:19,980 --> 00:07:24,420 S2: particularly the Yom Kippur sacrifice on the Holy of Holies. Uh, 127 00:07:24,420 --> 00:07:27,820 S2: because when you look at all the sacrifices, they were 128 00:07:27,820 --> 00:07:32,140 S2: only for sins that were not intentional. And it seems 129 00:07:32,140 --> 00:07:36,300 S2: like God didn't provide any sacrifice for sins. We all 130 00:07:36,300 --> 00:07:38,700 S2: commit sins. You know, we always want to say it 131 00:07:38,700 --> 00:07:42,460 S2: was by accident, but most of us have committed intentional sins. 132 00:07:42,940 --> 00:07:47,900 S2: And it seems to me that the Yom Kippur sacrifice 133 00:07:47,940 --> 00:07:50,760 S2: covered all. It doesn't. It doesn't limit it just to 134 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:55,240 S2: unintentional sins. It's for all sin. And it remains on 135 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,920 S2: the altar all year for even the intentional sins. 136 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:01,040 S6: Okay. 137 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:06,880 S1: So if the blood spilled or sprinkled, uh, mistakenly on 138 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,200 S1: some garment, what would happen to that? 139 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,560 S2: You know, I wasn't there, but I'm guessing they would 140 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:13,080 S2: clean it. 141 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:19,200 S1: Okay. You weren't there. You're kidding. I thought you were there. Okay. Yeah. Craig, 142 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:19,800 S1: does that help? 143 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,200 S7: I'm old, but not quite that old. So. 144 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,560 S6: Yeah. No, I appreciate that. It was just something I 145 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,840 S6: was curious about. If they just, you know, left it 146 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,680 S6: on there. And, you know, I've never been inside of, like, 147 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,800 S6: a meat locker or anything like that, but I assume 148 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,200 S6: it would be kind of messy if they left it. 149 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,720 S7: But yeah, it was. It was. Yeah. 150 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:38,480 S1: Anything to add to that? 151 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,439 S5: Mike V you know, just this morning I was reading 152 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,440 S5: in Leviticus chapter 11. 153 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:45,840 S7: And were you really? 154 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:51,059 S5: Yeah. Yeah, I really was. And and I mentions if 155 00:08:51,100 --> 00:08:53,540 S5: you touch one of the carcasses, you have to go wash, 156 00:08:53,540 --> 00:08:55,580 S5: I can't I am trying to check real quick and 157 00:08:55,580 --> 00:08:58,420 S5: see if that was intended for the priest, or if 158 00:08:58,420 --> 00:09:02,739 S5: it was meant just for the rank and file. Um, anyway, 159 00:09:02,860 --> 00:09:05,140 S5: so I mean, it does mention that if you, if 160 00:09:05,179 --> 00:09:07,980 S5: you touch a dead animal or you move the carcass 161 00:09:07,980 --> 00:09:10,060 S5: or something, you have to wash, um. 162 00:09:10,980 --> 00:09:12,020 S1: Ceremonially. 163 00:09:12,540 --> 00:09:16,180 S5: Yeah. Yes. Again, my apologies. I can't say if that's 164 00:09:16,179 --> 00:09:18,740 S5: if that's for priests or just the rank and file. 165 00:09:18,780 --> 00:09:21,740 S1: Yeah, well, you look keep looking at that. And, uh, 166 00:09:21,740 --> 00:09:25,060 S1: if we get Doctor Rudnick's internet back up, then we're 167 00:09:25,059 --> 00:09:27,780 S1: going to find out more answers to that question. Craig, 168 00:09:27,780 --> 00:09:31,100 S1: thanks a lot for your call today. And it's your turn. Oh, 169 00:09:31,140 --> 00:09:33,580 S1: I've got a great question from Dale. Dale, you hang 170 00:09:33,580 --> 00:09:38,860 S1: on and I want to hear from you. (877) 548-3675. An 171 00:09:38,860 --> 00:09:42,219 S1: unbelievable opportunity to talk with the two Michaels today at 172 00:09:42,220 --> 00:09:58,920 S1: the radio. Backyard fence. 483675. I have a copy of 173 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,680 S1: the Moody Bible Commentary right over here. Keep it right 174 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,600 S1: here every day. If I need something to ask a question. 175 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,120 S1: Then I don't call up the two Michaels, though sometimes 176 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,559 S1: I do. I look at the Moody Bible Commentary, and 177 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:14,000 S1: it is one of our featured resources because the general 178 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,920 S1: editors have said same are with us today. The two Michaels, 179 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:26,760 S1: the radio, backyard fence. And your question for them? (877) 548-3675. 180 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,880 S1: Don't miss this opportunity. Your question might help somebody else 181 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,640 S1: who can't ask the question or is listening at another 182 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,040 S1: time when they can't call. So let us hear from 183 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,320 S1: you today. You can ask a question on Facebook. I've 184 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:39,920 S1: got some of those here in front of me. But 185 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,200 S1: first we go to Dale. Dale, thanks for calling. Tell 186 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:44,319 S1: me what's on your heart. 187 00:10:45,380 --> 00:10:49,420 S8: Um. Yes, sir. My father just passed away. He was 188 00:10:49,980 --> 00:10:55,740 S8: saved just six months or so before he passed on. 189 00:10:56,500 --> 00:11:00,700 S8: But I never really saw the relationship that I guess 190 00:11:00,700 --> 00:11:09,420 S8: I wanted. My girlfriend says it's not my job to. Understand? I. 191 00:11:09,980 --> 00:11:14,900 S8: I'm sorry. I'm just. I guess I'm trying to figure 192 00:11:14,900 --> 00:11:18,100 S8: out whether he had a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. 193 00:11:18,100 --> 00:11:20,699 S8: I just never really saw it. But I know he 194 00:11:20,700 --> 00:11:24,660 S8: was saved. How how far do we go in pressuring 195 00:11:24,660 --> 00:11:28,260 S8: somebody to say, hey, I'm not seeing any fruit or any. 196 00:11:29,059 --> 00:11:30,660 S8: Do you understand what I'm saying, Chris? 197 00:11:30,980 --> 00:11:34,100 S1: I do, I do. I you know, what I understand 198 00:11:34,100 --> 00:11:37,459 S1: most is this struggle that you have in your heart 199 00:11:37,460 --> 00:11:39,140 S1: because you love your dad and you want to see 200 00:11:39,140 --> 00:11:43,930 S1: your dad again. And so that really motivates you to. 201 00:11:43,970 --> 00:11:47,890 S1: It's like, oh, so what actually happened? So who wants 202 00:11:47,890 --> 00:11:49,010 S1: to take this first? 203 00:11:49,250 --> 00:11:52,090 S8: I guess I just did not see the a strong 204 00:11:52,090 --> 00:11:55,730 S8: relationship because he just had a hard time really talking 205 00:11:55,730 --> 00:11:58,450 S8: about it. Yeah, he was always cry when we would 206 00:11:58,450 --> 00:11:59,329 S8: talk about it. 207 00:11:59,690 --> 00:12:05,130 S2: Well, that's a good sign. Yeah. Let me, uh, can 208 00:12:05,130 --> 00:12:06,050 S2: I jump in first? 209 00:12:06,050 --> 00:12:09,010 S1: Just by the way, we want to thank Xfinity for 210 00:12:09,010 --> 00:12:12,850 S1: fixing that. That cord that they clipped out in front 211 00:12:12,850 --> 00:12:15,170 S1: of Michael's house. As you can tell, he's back with us. 212 00:12:15,290 --> 00:12:16,610 S1: All right. Michael? Yes. Go ahead. 213 00:12:16,850 --> 00:12:20,850 S2: Uh, you know, people often look at, uh, Matthew seven 214 00:12:21,450 --> 00:12:25,450 S2: and they talk about, uh, fruit and they say, well, 215 00:12:25,450 --> 00:12:28,530 S2: you ought to be fruit inspectors. Have you ever heard 216 00:12:28,530 --> 00:12:33,050 S2: that expression? And, uh, when I look at Matthew seven, 217 00:12:33,050 --> 00:12:37,170 S2: it's a little different. Uh, here's what I mean. Uh, 218 00:12:37,330 --> 00:12:41,690 S2: it says you'll recognize them by their fruit. Are grapes 219 00:12:41,870 --> 00:12:45,310 S2: gathered from thorn bushes or figs from thistles. In the 220 00:12:45,309 --> 00:12:48,429 S2: same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but the 221 00:12:48,429 --> 00:12:51,950 S2: bad tree produces bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce 222 00:12:51,950 --> 00:12:54,590 S2: bad fruit, neither can a bad tree produce good fruit. 223 00:12:54,590 --> 00:12:56,190 S2: And it sounds to me like you're concerned that you 224 00:12:56,190 --> 00:12:58,990 S2: didn't see a whole lot of fruit in your dad's life, 225 00:12:59,429 --> 00:13:04,350 S2: but I think everyone skips verse 15. That starts those three. It's. 226 00:13:04,390 --> 00:13:07,350 S2: Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing, 227 00:13:07,590 --> 00:13:12,790 S2: but inwardly are raging wolves. It's talking about examining false 228 00:13:12,790 --> 00:13:17,790 S2: prophets there. It's not talking about your dad and the 229 00:13:17,790 --> 00:13:23,110 S2: fact that that your dad professed faith that he he 230 00:13:23,110 --> 00:13:27,150 S2: was tender. When you would talk about what the Lord 231 00:13:27,190 --> 00:13:30,390 S2: had done and would cry. That tells me that there 232 00:13:30,390 --> 00:13:33,469 S2: was something there, that he had a hard time expressing 233 00:13:33,470 --> 00:13:40,130 S2: his most tender feelings. And and that's probably why you didn't, um, Uh, 234 00:13:41,090 --> 00:13:45,810 S2: didn't have him hear him, uh, express his faith as 235 00:13:45,809 --> 00:13:47,770 S2: much as you would have liked. But it sounds to 236 00:13:47,809 --> 00:13:52,690 S2: me like you need to say, you know what? People 237 00:13:52,690 --> 00:13:55,650 S2: need to be accepted at their profession. He said he's 238 00:13:55,650 --> 00:13:58,689 S2: trusted in the Lord. Uh, he believes that Jesus died 239 00:13:58,690 --> 00:14:01,330 S2: for him and rose again. I think that that ought 240 00:14:01,330 --> 00:14:05,970 S2: to give you confidence and hope, uh, that he's, uh, 241 00:14:05,970 --> 00:14:09,370 S2: with the Lord now and able to express those feelings 242 00:14:09,370 --> 00:14:11,650 S2: that it was hard for him to express before. What 243 00:14:11,650 --> 00:14:12,530 S2: do you think, Mike? 244 00:14:13,210 --> 00:14:17,209 S5: Right. I think in Matthew chapter seven. It's really interesting 245 00:14:17,250 --> 00:14:19,690 S5: verse 21, not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, 246 00:14:19,690 --> 00:14:22,130 S5: will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does 247 00:14:22,130 --> 00:14:24,930 S5: the will of my father who is in heaven. Uh, 248 00:14:24,970 --> 00:14:27,930 S5: verse 22, many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord, 249 00:14:27,930 --> 00:14:30,010 S5: did we not prophesy in your name and in your 250 00:14:30,010 --> 00:14:33,090 S5: name cast out demons, and in your name perform many miracles? 251 00:14:33,210 --> 00:14:35,970 S5: In other words, they expect that they're going to be 252 00:14:35,970 --> 00:14:38,410 S5: included in the Kingdom of God on the basis of 253 00:14:38,410 --> 00:14:42,150 S5: the work that they did. And what does Jesus say? Uh. 254 00:14:42,150 --> 00:14:44,390 S5: And then I will declare to them, I never knew you. 255 00:14:44,430 --> 00:14:47,990 S5: Depart from me, you who practice lawlessness. And so I 256 00:14:47,990 --> 00:14:50,910 S5: would say, Dale, it sounds to me like if your 257 00:14:50,910 --> 00:14:54,390 S5: dad was truly trusting in Jesus to get, uh, to 258 00:14:54,430 --> 00:14:56,190 S5: be right with God and to be forgiven and have 259 00:14:56,190 --> 00:14:59,910 S5: eternal life. And he wasn't relying on his works to 260 00:14:59,950 --> 00:15:02,270 S5: enter the kingdom of heaven, then it seems to me 261 00:15:02,270 --> 00:15:05,590 S5: there's every reason to to believe that he'll he's in 262 00:15:05,590 --> 00:15:08,030 S5: the presence of the Lord right now. It seems to me. 263 00:15:09,510 --> 00:15:10,430 S1: What do you think, Dale? 264 00:15:11,230 --> 00:15:15,790 S8: I think that, um, my my father was probably the 265 00:15:15,790 --> 00:15:19,830 S8: only one in his family. There was not a believer. 266 00:15:19,870 --> 00:15:21,750 S8: There was not a lot of believers in his family. 267 00:15:21,750 --> 00:15:24,670 S8: So he, me and him are some of the first believers. 268 00:15:24,670 --> 00:15:27,630 S8: And it was hard for somebody to profess faith whenever 269 00:15:27,630 --> 00:15:33,230 S8: there are so many others kind of not believing. And 270 00:15:33,550 --> 00:15:36,150 S8: I guess maybe that was one reason why he just 271 00:15:36,510 --> 00:15:39,530 S8: he was reluctant to to talk about it or bring 272 00:15:39,530 --> 00:15:39,930 S8: it up. 273 00:15:40,370 --> 00:15:43,130 S1: Let me ask you this was he ever reluctant to 274 00:15:43,170 --> 00:15:46,530 S1: talk about anything else in his life? You know, of 275 00:15:46,570 --> 00:15:49,450 S1: his military service or things that had happened in the 276 00:15:49,450 --> 00:15:53,170 S1: past or anything like that that he wouldn't talk about? 277 00:15:53,970 --> 00:15:58,210 S8: We had, uh, we had a great relationship. But the father, 278 00:15:58,450 --> 00:16:02,890 S8: we didn't talk like a father and son should, I guess. Um, 279 00:16:03,530 --> 00:16:05,570 S8: but we had a great relationship. But it was more 280 00:16:05,570 --> 00:16:09,450 S8: talking about work and farming and and what I'm doing 281 00:16:09,450 --> 00:16:13,650 S8: and what he's doing and just never deep conversations about. 282 00:16:13,930 --> 00:16:16,930 S8: And he just he was reluctant to talk about faith. 283 00:16:17,290 --> 00:16:20,290 S1: Yeah, I get it, I get it. And that's and 284 00:16:20,330 --> 00:16:23,970 S1: that again I think is another reason why the Michaels are, 285 00:16:24,010 --> 00:16:28,250 S1: are telling you don't don't trust in what you're, you know. 286 00:16:28,290 --> 00:16:32,210 S1: Did he give the gospel to everybody who came in 287 00:16:32,250 --> 00:16:35,890 S1: to him before he passed away? Trust in the goodness 288 00:16:35,890 --> 00:16:40,710 S1: of God, and that his faith was fully in what 289 00:16:40,710 --> 00:16:45,830 S1: Jesus did for him rather than him working, you know, 290 00:16:45,870 --> 00:16:47,790 S1: in the way or even speaking the way that you 291 00:16:47,790 --> 00:16:50,710 S1: wanted him to. I hope that gives you some encouragement, Dale. 292 00:16:51,390 --> 00:16:55,310 S8: Yeah. So they just talk about Hebrews 11 six for just, um, 293 00:16:55,350 --> 00:16:57,110 S8: a little bit, and I will hang up and listen. 294 00:16:57,110 --> 00:17:00,310 S8: But I without faith that that thing kind of gets me, 295 00:17:00,350 --> 00:17:02,590 S8: you know, how strong is our faith got to be. 296 00:17:03,230 --> 00:17:06,150 S1: Well, Hebrews 11 six, we often go there. So Michaels 297 00:17:06,150 --> 00:17:06,669 S1: go ahead. 298 00:17:08,430 --> 00:17:12,629 S5: Well, Hebrews 11 six, um, if I can find it, 299 00:17:12,630 --> 00:17:15,750 S5: I don't have it memorized. Not anymore. Without faith, it's 300 00:17:15,750 --> 00:17:18,190 S5: impossible to please him, for he who comes to God 301 00:17:18,190 --> 00:17:20,550 S5: must believe that he is, that he is a rewarder 302 00:17:20,550 --> 00:17:23,270 S5: of those who seek him. And it seems to me 303 00:17:23,270 --> 00:17:27,669 S5: that that it is impossible to please God without faith. And, um, 304 00:17:28,070 --> 00:17:30,590 S5: we better believe that he exists and that he is 305 00:17:30,590 --> 00:17:32,710 S5: who he says he is and what he's done for us. 306 00:17:33,190 --> 00:17:35,010 S5: And if he does that, he's going to bless us 307 00:17:35,010 --> 00:17:37,170 S5: as well. So it seems to me that faith is 308 00:17:37,170 --> 00:17:41,210 S5: pretty impossible. Without faith, it's pretty impossible to please God. 309 00:17:41,250 --> 00:17:43,810 S5: I have a story about about bearing fruit, but I'll 310 00:17:43,810 --> 00:17:45,729 S5: let Michael answer anything he wants to answer. 311 00:17:45,770 --> 00:17:48,290 S2: No, I just want to say, I think the crucial 312 00:17:48,290 --> 00:17:54,810 S2: aspect is faith. And and it sounds to me like, uh. 313 00:17:55,410 --> 00:17:59,850 S2: Like Dale's dad. Dale, your dad had faith. Mm. 314 00:18:00,090 --> 00:18:00,490 S7: Yeah. 315 00:18:00,609 --> 00:18:03,770 S2: And, uh, you know, it sounds to me like what 316 00:18:03,770 --> 00:18:09,650 S2: what you're saying is I didn't see works, but, uh, 317 00:18:10,450 --> 00:18:13,810 S2: I'm sure there was some. You know, I once heard 318 00:18:14,369 --> 00:18:19,050 S2: a far better theologian than anyone in this room today. Uh, 319 00:18:19,450 --> 00:18:24,130 S2: Charles Ryrie talk about faith and works. And he said, 320 00:18:24,490 --> 00:18:27,290 S2: do you really think that we could tell all the 321 00:18:27,290 --> 00:18:31,290 S2: work that God is doing in someone's life from the outside? Uh, 322 00:18:31,490 --> 00:18:34,070 S2: that there's so much more to what God is doing. 323 00:18:34,310 --> 00:18:39,109 S2: I'm sure that that faith was expressed somewhere. Uh, in works, 324 00:18:39,109 --> 00:18:41,710 S2: but that maybe not as evident to us as we 325 00:18:41,710 --> 00:18:44,390 S2: would like. And I bet I bet, Dale, you know 326 00:18:44,390 --> 00:18:47,350 S2: your dad. I bet you had a good relationship and 327 00:18:47,390 --> 00:18:50,710 S2: that there were works, uh, in his life that maybe 328 00:18:50,710 --> 00:18:53,350 S2: you didn't even connect to his faith, but they were there. 329 00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:54,109 S7: Mm. 330 00:18:54,510 --> 00:18:56,590 S1: All right, Mike V, it's time for a story. 331 00:18:56,910 --> 00:18:59,670 S5: All right. So when I was in college, as a freshman, 332 00:19:00,070 --> 00:19:03,590 S5: I had long hair and I wore tight bell bottom pants, 333 00:19:03,590 --> 00:19:06,510 S5: and I dressed kind of like a hippie. And there 334 00:19:06,550 --> 00:19:10,830 S5: was a a freshman who came in with me. Short hair, 335 00:19:10,869 --> 00:19:13,790 S5: you know, Crewcut wore a tie to class every day, 336 00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:15,950 S5: and it was a good Christian guy. But he looked 337 00:19:15,950 --> 00:19:17,949 S5: at me and he he actually told a number of 338 00:19:17,950 --> 00:19:21,270 S5: my friends he was pretty sure I wasn't saved. And 339 00:19:21,270 --> 00:19:24,110 S5: I found out about that and it was enormously hurtful. 340 00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:26,669 S5: He just didn't see the fruit that was there. And 341 00:19:26,670 --> 00:19:28,710 S5: if he'd had known me a year and a half 342 00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:31,970 S5: earlier when I was unsaved, he would be staggered if 343 00:19:31,970 --> 00:19:34,450 S5: the change in my life. He just didn't see it. 344 00:19:34,730 --> 00:19:38,210 S5: And so we ended up being pretty good friends. But so. So, Dale, 345 00:19:38,530 --> 00:19:41,050 S5: like it's already been said, you may not have seen 346 00:19:41,050 --> 00:19:44,490 S5: a lot of fruit, but there's almost certainly some. And 347 00:19:44,530 --> 00:19:47,609 S5: I think the fact that he even expressed that he 348 00:19:47,609 --> 00:19:50,530 S5: had trusted in Jesus at all was an indication of 349 00:19:50,530 --> 00:19:53,689 S5: the most important fruit, the most important thing that he 350 00:19:53,690 --> 00:19:55,770 S5: could do as a result of being saved. 351 00:19:56,250 --> 00:19:56,609 S7: Mm. 352 00:19:57,250 --> 00:20:01,129 S1: So in a sense, what Dale has to do is 353 00:20:01,130 --> 00:20:05,530 S1: have faith in God's goodness rather than what he could 354 00:20:05,530 --> 00:20:07,890 S1: see in his dad. He's got to have faith in 355 00:20:07,890 --> 00:20:12,650 S1: God's goodness, to invade and to receive and to cleanse 356 00:20:12,650 --> 00:20:15,930 S1: his dad and then to to receive him, which takes 357 00:20:15,930 --> 00:20:21,129 S1: us to what the gospel really is. Mhm. So, Mike, Mike. 358 00:20:21,970 --> 00:20:26,050 S2: I think we have to, uh, simplify instead of make 359 00:20:26,050 --> 00:20:32,310 S2: it more complicated. The gospel is clearly explained in. In 360 00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:37,669 S2: First Corinthians 15 it says that Jesus died for our sins. Uh, 361 00:20:37,670 --> 00:20:39,669 S2: and of course he was buried. But that's not the 362 00:20:39,670 --> 00:20:42,190 S2: good news. The good news is that he died as 363 00:20:42,190 --> 00:20:46,030 S2: a substitution for us. He took the punishment we deserved 364 00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:49,590 S2: in his death, and then he was raised from the dead. Uh, 365 00:20:49,670 --> 00:20:52,070 S2: so that we can have life. Uh, the Bible even 366 00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:55,149 S2: says in Romans that he was raised for our God 367 00:20:55,150 --> 00:20:58,750 S2: to be able to declare us righteous. Uh, and so 368 00:20:58,950 --> 00:21:05,550 S2: here's here's the good news, uh, in 25 words or less, uh, 369 00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:10,909 S2: all of us do things wrong. But Jesus died for 370 00:21:10,910 --> 00:21:15,830 S2: those wrong things, and he was raised again, proving he's God. 371 00:21:15,869 --> 00:21:19,550 S2: Trust in him. If that's a person who has trusted 372 00:21:19,550 --> 00:21:23,430 S2: in him. Uh, that's that's all we need. Uh, it's 373 00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:25,790 S2: not that we have to earn our way. He earned 374 00:21:25,790 --> 00:21:26,590 S2: it for us. 375 00:21:26,910 --> 00:21:30,609 S1: But there's got to be more than just mental assent 376 00:21:30,690 --> 00:21:33,850 S1: to yeah, Jesus died for me. He rose again. I 377 00:21:33,850 --> 00:21:34,530 S1: believe that. 378 00:21:34,730 --> 00:21:39,290 S2: The there's you know, faith requires the whole person, mind, 379 00:21:39,330 --> 00:21:43,810 S2: heart and will. Uh, like the the old illustration from 380 00:21:43,810 --> 00:21:48,810 S2: the Titanic. There were some people that knew there were 381 00:21:49,330 --> 00:21:51,250 S2: didn't know there were even boats. They didn't even have 382 00:21:51,250 --> 00:21:54,090 S2: the intellectual, the mind. Uh, they didn't know they were 383 00:21:54,090 --> 00:21:58,969 S2: life preserving boats, lifeboats and, uh, they were lost. And 384 00:21:58,970 --> 00:22:02,010 S2: then there were people who knew there were lifeboats, but didn't. 385 00:22:02,050 --> 00:22:04,090 S2: They looked at the Atlantic and they thought they didn't 386 00:22:04,090 --> 00:22:07,410 S2: have the conviction, the heart that that those lifeboats could 387 00:22:07,410 --> 00:22:09,530 S2: save them so they wouldn't get in them. And then 388 00:22:09,530 --> 00:22:12,010 S2: there were some people who knew they were lifeboats. They 389 00:22:12,010 --> 00:22:14,770 S2: had the mind. They knew those lifeboats could save them. 390 00:22:14,770 --> 00:22:16,810 S2: But then they said, I don't want to go in 391 00:22:16,810 --> 00:22:19,690 S2: there without my husband, and they wouldn't volitionally get in 392 00:22:19,730 --> 00:22:22,210 S2: the boat. They they didn't have the will to do it. 393 00:22:22,450 --> 00:22:25,129 S2: And then there were some who knew about the boats, 394 00:22:25,130 --> 00:22:29,470 S2: believed they could save them, had conviction about that and 395 00:22:29,470 --> 00:22:33,430 S2: got in the boat. Volitionally and and they were saved. 396 00:22:33,470 --> 00:22:34,030 S2: They were arrested. 397 00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:35,470 S1: That's what faith is. Yeah. 398 00:22:35,910 --> 00:22:36,830 S2: Mind, heart and will. 399 00:22:37,109 --> 00:22:37,709 S1: Respond to. 400 00:22:37,710 --> 00:22:41,070 S5: That. Yeah. In response to what you said, Chris, I 401 00:22:41,070 --> 00:22:43,550 S5: think you're absolutely right. For a person to be saved, 402 00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:48,110 S5: theologians say three things make up saving faith that we 403 00:22:48,109 --> 00:22:51,550 S5: know the facts of Jesus, his death, that he's the 404 00:22:51,550 --> 00:22:53,669 S5: Son of God who died on the cross for our sins. 405 00:22:53,670 --> 00:22:57,310 S5: We believe that those facts are true, and then we 406 00:22:57,310 --> 00:23:00,710 S5: trust Jesus as our Savior. We rely upon him to 407 00:23:00,750 --> 00:23:02,790 S5: make us right with God. If we have all three 408 00:23:02,790 --> 00:23:05,910 S5: of those things in place, that is what I think 409 00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:09,150 S5: is a genuine, legitimate, saving faith. 410 00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:12,310 S2: Anyone out there listening? I would say get in the boat. 411 00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:14,550 S7: Yeah. Yes. 412 00:23:15,470 --> 00:23:18,830 S2: You know, it's there. You have conviction. It can save 413 00:23:18,830 --> 00:23:21,150 S2: us that he really did die for us and was 414 00:23:21,150 --> 00:23:24,910 S2: raised again. Get in the boat. Uh, you know, Mike, 415 00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:27,770 S2: one of my favorite stories that was on Open Line 416 00:23:27,770 --> 00:23:32,090 S2: recently was we, uh, without me knowing it, Chris Seegert. 417 00:23:32,090 --> 00:23:35,690 S2: When we were in Israel, he recorded Shira's story, and 418 00:23:35,690 --> 00:23:40,610 S2: she heard us, uh, talking about the resurrection. And she 419 00:23:40,609 --> 00:23:44,770 S2: thought this Israeli thought, I believe Jesus is alive. I 420 00:23:44,770 --> 00:23:48,449 S2: don't have all my questions answered. But she believed he 421 00:23:48,450 --> 00:23:51,610 S2: was alive. Therefore she believed he died for her. And 422 00:23:51,609 --> 00:23:54,450 S2: she knew the facts. And and what she did is 423 00:23:54,450 --> 00:23:57,130 S2: as a result of that, she committed her heart to him. 424 00:23:57,130 --> 00:24:00,090 S2: She trusted in him and and came to the Lord 425 00:24:00,090 --> 00:24:03,730 S2: from us talking about the evidence for the resurrection on 426 00:24:03,730 --> 00:24:06,570 S2: open line and that she just got in the boat, 427 00:24:06,570 --> 00:24:08,210 S2: so to speak. You know. 428 00:24:08,530 --> 00:24:11,169 S1: There it is, getting the boat. All right, uh, get 429 00:24:11,170 --> 00:24:14,330 S1: in the on the line and ask the Michaels a question. 430 00:24:14,369 --> 00:24:17,770 S1: Edward is in Bermuda. Edward, what's your question? 431 00:24:19,010 --> 00:24:22,810 S9: Uh, my question is for doctor Nick. Is this should 432 00:24:22,810 --> 00:24:26,310 S9: the Book of Enoch have been included in the biblical canon. 433 00:24:27,470 --> 00:24:30,030 S2: Well, thank you for that question, Edward. I would like 434 00:24:30,030 --> 00:24:35,629 S2: to ask Mike Vanlandingham if the. We both have the 435 00:24:35,630 --> 00:24:40,670 S2: same answer. Uh, the the books of the Intertestamental period. 436 00:24:40,670 --> 00:24:43,310 S2: Like the Book of Enoch, they may have been regarded 437 00:24:43,310 --> 00:24:47,830 S2: as some sort of spiritual, spiritually uplifting book, but they 438 00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:54,389 S2: were never accepted as, uh, God's Word and the God, the, uh, 439 00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:59,430 S2: the faithful remnant never, ever accepted them as God's Word. 440 00:24:59,470 --> 00:25:02,390 S2: Those books like the Book of Enoch. So it was 441 00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:05,389 S2: quoted in the book of Jude, but not because it 442 00:25:05,390 --> 00:25:08,350 S2: was Scripture. It was just quoted because it said something 443 00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:12,149 S2: true that you'd wanted to highlight. Mm. So, Mike, the. 444 00:25:12,910 --> 00:25:16,550 S5: Right. Well, um, other than Jude, the New Testament never 445 00:25:16,550 --> 00:25:20,830 S5: cites the Apocrypha, um, including, uh, first Enoch and a 446 00:25:20,830 --> 00:25:24,210 S5: bunch of other books. It never claims to be God's Word. 447 00:25:24,930 --> 00:25:27,930 S5: The Jewish people didn't include any of the books of 448 00:25:27,930 --> 00:25:32,210 S5: Enoch in their canon. And there's all kinds of historical 449 00:25:32,210 --> 00:25:35,609 S5: inaccuracies as well as well as theological issues. And so 450 00:25:36,290 --> 00:25:40,450 S5: we don't view that book as actually being canonical, inspired, 451 00:25:40,450 --> 00:25:41,330 S5: and inerrant. 452 00:25:41,890 --> 00:25:48,610 S1: That's Edward's question. What's yours? 8077 5483675 more with the 453 00:25:48,609 --> 00:26:04,490 S1: two Michaels straight ahead on Moody Radio. I have not 454 00:26:04,490 --> 00:26:08,050 S1: mentioned yet that Chris Fabry live is listener supported. 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Support Chris Fabry live. 473 00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:08,310 S1: We'd love to send you that book, but just want 474 00:27:08,350 --> 00:27:11,990 S1: to thank you for your support, for the way you 475 00:27:12,030 --> 00:27:14,270 S1: keep things going here at the back fence. We want 476 00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:16,870 S1: to keep on doing that. Keep the Michaels coming back 477 00:27:16,869 --> 00:27:20,570 S1: next month, um, which last month at the end of 478 00:27:20,570 --> 00:27:24,250 S1: the program, I made an observation and we didn't have 479 00:27:24,250 --> 00:27:27,410 S1: time for you two to respond. In Matthew 16, in 480 00:27:27,410 --> 00:27:30,170 S1: Luke nine, Jesus talks about taking up your cross and 481 00:27:30,170 --> 00:27:34,370 S1: following him. And for me today, you know, looking back, 482 00:27:34,410 --> 00:27:37,850 S1: post Golgotha, post empty tomb, it makes all the sense 483 00:27:37,850 --> 00:27:41,050 S1: in the world seeing what he did, taking up the cross, 484 00:27:41,250 --> 00:27:44,649 S1: following Jesus. But if I put myself in the place 485 00:27:44,650 --> 00:27:47,810 S1: of the disciples who are hearing that same thing. Take 486 00:27:47,810 --> 00:27:51,210 S1: up your cross and follow me. I think it must 487 00:27:51,250 --> 00:27:53,810 S1: have seemed a little out of place because the cross 488 00:27:53,810 --> 00:27:56,650 S1: was for offenders, it was for criminals. It was for 489 00:27:56,650 --> 00:27:59,290 S1: the worst of the worst. So why would Jesus here's 490 00:27:59,290 --> 00:28:01,650 S1: the King of kings, you know, he's the he's going 491 00:28:01,690 --> 00:28:04,530 S1: to bring in the kingdom. Why would he use the 492 00:28:04,530 --> 00:28:08,290 S1: cross and say, pick up the cross? Michael Redlich, what 493 00:28:08,290 --> 00:28:08,850 S1: do you say? 494 00:28:08,890 --> 00:28:12,050 S2: Well, I actually read a master's thesis about this about 495 00:28:12,050 --> 00:28:15,449 S2: 40 years ago, plus 43 years ago when I was 496 00:28:15,450 --> 00:28:19,270 S2: in seminary. And so. And it was trying to answer 497 00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:24,750 S2: the very question that you just raised and what the 498 00:28:24,750 --> 00:28:30,230 S2: thesis argued was that that was actually a cultural idiom 499 00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:35,750 S2: in in the first century, even before the crucifixion of 500 00:28:35,790 --> 00:28:39,750 S2: the Messiah, that it was a phrase that was used 501 00:28:40,030 --> 00:28:42,190 S2: in the Roman Empire. And here's what it is that 502 00:28:42,190 --> 00:28:48,150 S2: the Roman Empire, when, uh, when they, uh, had a rebel, 503 00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:53,270 S2: they made them carry the cross to the the place 504 00:28:53,270 --> 00:28:55,110 S2: where they were going, they had to carry their own 505 00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:59,190 S2: cross to the place of execution as a sign of 506 00:28:59,190 --> 00:29:04,390 S2: submission to the Roman Empire. And so when the Lord said, 507 00:29:04,430 --> 00:29:07,910 S2: every person must pick up their cross and carry it, 508 00:29:08,150 --> 00:29:11,790 S2: it was calling for them to submit their lives to God, 509 00:29:12,190 --> 00:29:16,350 S2: not to be willing to go to a martyr's death. Wow. 510 00:29:16,390 --> 00:29:18,890 S1: And and I've never heard that before. Mike, have you 511 00:29:18,890 --> 00:29:19,610 S1: ever heard that? 512 00:29:20,450 --> 00:29:22,570 S5: I haven't, that's very interesting. 513 00:29:22,610 --> 00:29:23,010 S7: Yeah. 514 00:29:23,250 --> 00:29:27,370 S1: So in idiom would be like, uh, dig your own grave. Yeah. 515 00:29:27,410 --> 00:29:30,170 S1: That would be the same kind of thing. Yeah. Figure 516 00:29:30,170 --> 00:29:33,010 S1: of speech. Yeah. To take up your cross so it wouldn't. 517 00:29:33,010 --> 00:29:36,170 S2: It wasn't related to the Messiah's crucifixion. It was picking 518 00:29:36,170 --> 00:29:38,770 S2: up your cross and carrying it as a sign of submission. 519 00:29:39,490 --> 00:29:40,010 S7: Wow. 520 00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:42,490 S1: See the things you learn when you hear the two 521 00:29:42,530 --> 00:29:47,090 S1: Michaels give a gift today, though, they're here for you. Free. Uh, 522 00:29:47,090 --> 00:29:50,530 S1: for an in Warsaw, Ohio. Hi, Ann. Go right ahead. 523 00:29:51,370 --> 00:29:54,850 S10: Oh, hi. My question has to do with Matthew 25 524 00:29:54,890 --> 00:29:58,450 S10: on the parable of the virgins. The ten virgins and 525 00:29:58,450 --> 00:30:03,010 S10: what I. We've been discussing this lately amongst ourselves. Uh, 526 00:30:03,210 --> 00:30:07,250 S10: if this has to do with the rapture, and if so, uh, what? 527 00:30:07,530 --> 00:30:09,810 S10: What is it that what was the oil they had 528 00:30:09,810 --> 00:30:14,530 S10: to go back and get? It was very alarming. It's like, okay, 529 00:30:14,570 --> 00:30:16,790 S10: what are we doing? What we need to be doing? 530 00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:18,190 S7: Yeah. 531 00:30:18,790 --> 00:30:19,550 S1: Good question. 532 00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:23,030 S5: Yeah, that is a good question. And, um, I think 533 00:30:23,030 --> 00:30:26,550 S5: probably we are probably Michael might disagree with this, but 534 00:30:26,550 --> 00:30:28,510 S5: I think we are looking at the rapture of the church. 535 00:30:28,510 --> 00:30:33,790 S5: I think I think basically everything, um, after chapter 24 536 00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:37,630 S5: and verse 36, one way or another relates to the 537 00:30:37,630 --> 00:30:39,510 S5: timing of the rapture at the beginning of the day 538 00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:43,030 S5: of the Lord. And so I think the lesson from 539 00:30:43,150 --> 00:30:46,750 S5: the parable of the Ten virgins is that you have 540 00:30:46,750 --> 00:30:50,469 S5: to be ready for before the rapture of the church 541 00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:54,430 S5: to be able to enjoy the messianic banquet which comes 542 00:30:54,430 --> 00:30:57,430 S5: after it. And we have we have virgins here who 543 00:30:57,470 --> 00:30:59,910 S5: were not ready. They try to get ready, but they 544 00:30:59,910 --> 00:31:02,190 S5: don't get a second chance. I think is the point 545 00:31:02,190 --> 00:31:05,230 S5: of this. And so it seems to me that it 546 00:31:05,230 --> 00:31:10,230 S5: probably does actually refer to, um, the imminent and surprise 547 00:31:10,510 --> 00:31:12,550 S5: start of the day of the Lord signaled by the 548 00:31:12,550 --> 00:31:13,710 S5: rapture of the church. 549 00:31:14,250 --> 00:31:18,170 S2: And I would. I agree with everything that Michael just said. 550 00:31:18,210 --> 00:31:23,330 S2: And the I've read that some said that oil is 551 00:31:23,330 --> 00:31:26,130 S2: a symbol of the Holy Spirit. So therefore what the 552 00:31:26,130 --> 00:31:30,290 S2: oil represents is the Holy Spirit indwelling a believer. But 553 00:31:30,290 --> 00:31:34,170 S2: I actually feel like I you know, I've heard that. 554 00:31:34,210 --> 00:31:37,370 S2: And if someone wants to believe that, that's that's okay. 555 00:31:37,890 --> 00:31:42,450 S2: But I think I don't want to allegorize the parables. 556 00:31:42,650 --> 00:31:47,810 S2: They're just a story that teaches one point. And generally speaking. 557 00:31:47,970 --> 00:31:50,250 S2: And the point here is we need to be ready 558 00:31:50,250 --> 00:31:54,450 S2: with faith in the Lord Jesus before the rapture so 559 00:31:54,450 --> 00:31:59,010 S2: that when it happens, we're ready. And so I think 560 00:31:59,010 --> 00:32:01,050 S2: that's all it's teaching. I don't think it's talking about 561 00:32:01,050 --> 00:32:04,450 S2: what the oil is. It's just teaching readiness with faith. 562 00:32:05,730 --> 00:32:06,130 S7: Okay. 563 00:32:07,090 --> 00:32:10,210 S5: And let me let me also say I've read one 564 00:32:10,210 --> 00:32:14,270 S5: time that somebody actually looked at verse five, it says. 565 00:32:14,270 --> 00:32:17,430 S5: Now while the bridegroom was delaying, they all got drowsy 566 00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:20,270 S5: and began to sleep. Well, there's a lot of there's 567 00:32:20,270 --> 00:32:22,230 S5: not a lot of people. There's some people who say, 568 00:32:22,510 --> 00:32:25,990 S5: see what we have here in the word sleep is death. 569 00:32:26,430 --> 00:32:28,070 S5: And what we have here in the rest of the 570 00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:32,710 S5: parable is a second opportunity to be delivered, to be 571 00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:36,870 S5: saved after we die. Well, I think that's pressing the figure. 572 00:32:36,910 --> 00:32:39,670 S5: I don't think it's this falling asleep is just an 573 00:32:39,670 --> 00:32:42,870 S5: indication that there's a long delay. And and these people 574 00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:45,750 S5: needed to be prepared and stay prepared. But I don't 575 00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:47,790 S5: think it means that you get a second chance after 576 00:32:47,790 --> 00:32:48,310 S5: you die. 577 00:32:48,590 --> 00:32:49,110 S7: Mhm. 578 00:32:49,150 --> 00:32:52,550 S2: That's again that's making it, trying to make it into 579 00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:58,630 S2: an allegory rather than into a parable, which is, you know, 580 00:32:58,670 --> 00:33:03,110 S2: just a, it's just a simple one point idea. 581 00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:05,430 S1: Are you ready. 582 00:33:05,470 --> 00:33:05,790 S7: So. 583 00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:09,070 S10: So we need to be ready. But it's not saying 584 00:33:09,510 --> 00:33:11,730 S10: I guess what where we, where we went with this 585 00:33:11,770 --> 00:33:14,650 S10: is that does that mean that there that you can 586 00:33:14,650 --> 00:33:18,250 S10: be totally saved by grace, a Christian and not go 587 00:33:18,250 --> 00:33:20,450 S10: in the rapture? I guess that's where we were headed 588 00:33:20,450 --> 00:33:23,370 S10: with it. Like what? What do we need to do, 589 00:33:23,410 --> 00:33:26,050 S10: you know, is there something we're missing? It's like. 590 00:33:27,090 --> 00:33:29,930 S5: Well, if we're if we've trusted Christ as our Savior, 591 00:33:29,970 --> 00:33:33,810 S5: then we're among the wise virgins. We are prepared in advance. Um, 592 00:33:33,810 --> 00:33:36,290 S5: and that's that's what you have to do to be 593 00:33:36,290 --> 00:33:38,570 S5: prepared is to know Christ as Savior and to be 594 00:33:38,570 --> 00:33:41,729 S5: relying on him. And so, yeah, if you're if you've 595 00:33:41,770 --> 00:33:45,610 S5: trusted in Christ and the rapture comes, you will be 596 00:33:45,610 --> 00:33:48,250 S5: removed from the world and enjoy him forever. 597 00:33:50,210 --> 00:33:53,210 S1: I'm glad you called, Ann. Thank you. Uh, I was 598 00:33:53,210 --> 00:33:57,570 S1: reading in Proverbs. It was yesterday, Proverbs 17, because today's 599 00:33:57,570 --> 00:34:02,770 S1: the 18th, and I came to verse 19 and it says, 600 00:34:03,250 --> 00:34:06,210 S1: one who loves to offend, loves strife. And then the 601 00:34:06,210 --> 00:34:09,210 S1: second part of that is one who builds a high 602 00:34:09,350 --> 00:34:14,870 S1: threshold invites injury. And I looked it up in different translations. 603 00:34:14,910 --> 00:34:18,189 S1: Doctor Rudnick, you'll you'll probably immediately know what that one 604 00:34:18,190 --> 00:34:22,069 S1: who builds a high threshold invites injury. But what I 605 00:34:22,110 --> 00:34:26,110 S1: came up with was, it's if you if you build 606 00:34:26,110 --> 00:34:29,790 S1: high walls, if you build these things and you trust 607 00:34:29,790 --> 00:34:35,630 S1: in them, just like in of the next proverb 1810, 608 00:34:35,670 --> 00:34:38,430 S1: the name of Yahweh is a strong tower. The righteous 609 00:34:38,430 --> 00:34:41,469 S1: run to it and are protected. If you're trusting in 610 00:34:41,469 --> 00:34:47,350 S1: your own high threshold big walls, then you're. That's going 611 00:34:47,350 --> 00:34:48,509 S1: to be. If you trust in me. 612 00:34:48,510 --> 00:34:48,750 S7: I'm gonna. 613 00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:49,149 S2: Trip on. 614 00:34:49,150 --> 00:34:50,510 S7: It. Yeah, yeah. 615 00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:51,750 S1: Or possession. 616 00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:52,509 S2: It yourself. 617 00:34:52,630 --> 00:34:56,830 S1: And anything other than him you're going to, uh. Yeah. 618 00:34:56,870 --> 00:34:57,950 S1: Be be lacking. 619 00:34:58,070 --> 00:35:00,870 S2: But the the name of the Lord is a strong tower. 620 00:35:00,870 --> 00:35:03,590 S2: Those who run to it, the righteous run to it 621 00:35:03,830 --> 00:35:06,550 S2: and are safe. And so don't build your own tower. 622 00:35:06,989 --> 00:35:09,890 S2: Don't build your own wall. Don't build your own threshold 623 00:35:09,890 --> 00:35:13,450 S2: because you're going to trip on that fall. Get injured. Rather, um, 624 00:35:14,050 --> 00:35:16,250 S2: trust in the one the Lord is. The name of 625 00:35:16,250 --> 00:35:17,570 S2: the Lord is a strong tower. 626 00:35:17,850 --> 00:35:21,770 S1: And this is this is where the Bible interprets itself. 627 00:35:21,770 --> 00:35:25,050 S1: Because the very next verse in in Proverbs 18 verse 628 00:35:25,050 --> 00:35:28,410 S1: 11 says, A rich man's wealth is his fortified city. 629 00:35:28,810 --> 00:35:32,049 S1: In his imagination it is like a high wall. And 630 00:35:32,050 --> 00:35:34,090 S1: I was like, well, that's the same thing as in 631 00:35:34,090 --> 00:35:38,250 S1: in 17 right there. Don't trust in these things that 632 00:35:38,250 --> 00:35:41,890 S1: you can trust in, trust in, in, in the Lord. Right. 633 00:35:41,930 --> 00:35:43,930 S2: I heard someone once say that it's harder for a 634 00:35:43,930 --> 00:35:48,450 S2: rich man to enter into heaven than for a camel 635 00:35:48,489 --> 00:35:50,370 S2: to pass through the eye of a needle. I wonder, 636 00:35:50,370 --> 00:35:52,690 S2: I don't know who said that, but someone said that, 637 00:35:53,010 --> 00:35:56,770 S2: and and, uh. No, I do know Mike. Mike will 638 00:35:56,770 --> 00:36:00,650 S2: remind us who said that. But the point is, we 639 00:36:00,690 --> 00:36:03,810 S2: sometimes trust in our riches instead of the one who 640 00:36:04,010 --> 00:36:06,570 S2: who we need to trust in. And that's the danger. 641 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,600 S1: Or going back to Dale's question about his dad, you know. Trust. 642 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,080 S1: Do I trust in my good works? I trust in 643 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,400 S1: the good things that I can do in a mass. 644 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,440 S1: Those are high walls. You got to place your faith 645 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,680 S1: fully in what God did. Mike. Go ahead. 646 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,400 S5: You know what? I'm actually looking at the moody Bible 647 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,960 S5: commentary in Proverbs right now, even as we speak, written 648 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,440 S5: by our good friend Dave Finkbeiner. And it's a great 649 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,080 S5: commentary on Proverbs. It's brief, but it's great. At the 650 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,040 S5: end of this section, the discussion of this verse, he says, 651 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,440 S5: taken together, that is both lines of this proverb. Both 652 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,760 S5: lines may suggest that it takes arrogance to be itching 653 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,560 S5: for a fight and in seeking to destroy others. Such 654 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:55,319 S5: people are ultimately aiming for their own destruction. Isn't that interesting? 655 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:56,799 S7: Yeah. Yeah. 656 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,799 S1: So it. So it'll come back. It'll reverse. It's like 657 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,640 S1: a boomerang. The the evil, the strife and all that 658 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:08,299 S1: comes back on you. Um, is part of what he's 659 00:37:08,300 --> 00:37:08,779 S1: saying there. 660 00:37:08,820 --> 00:37:09,299 S7: Yeah. That's. 661 00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:10,180 S1: Yeah. That's deep. 662 00:37:10,219 --> 00:37:12,100 S2: By the way, he did do a great job. I 663 00:37:12,340 --> 00:37:15,339 S2: hate to admit it, uh, because, you know, I don't 664 00:37:15,340 --> 00:37:17,140 S2: I don't want anyone to think that someone other than 665 00:37:17,140 --> 00:37:19,620 S2: Mike did a great job, but but the truth of 666 00:37:19,620 --> 00:37:23,660 S2: it is the the moody professors did a great job. 667 00:37:23,660 --> 00:37:30,700 S2: And Dave Finkbeiner did a wonderful job with with wisdom, literature, Ecclesiastes, and, uh, Proverbs. 668 00:37:31,060 --> 00:37:32,620 S2: We love Dave. So it's okay. 669 00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:33,620 S7: And if you. 670 00:37:33,820 --> 00:37:36,339 S1: If you want a moody Bible commentary, we have it linked. 671 00:37:36,340 --> 00:37:40,060 S1: Just go to Chris. Org click through today's information. You'll 672 00:37:40,060 --> 00:37:43,700 S1: see the two Michaels pictures of them and the Moody 673 00:37:43,700 --> 00:37:50,900 S1: Bible commentary at Chris. Chris lives. There are more questions 674 00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:55,100 S1: from Facebook and your calls straight ahead on Chris Fabry 675 00:37:55,100 --> 00:38:07,560 S1: Live and Moody Radio. We should not be allowed to 676 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,799 S1: have this much fun on the radio, but we do. 677 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,439 S1: Every time the two Michaels come. Doctor Michael Redlich, Doctor 678 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,920 S1: Michael Van Laningham find out more about them, the Moody 679 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,120 S1: Bible Commentary, and more at Chris. Org. Okay, I'm going 680 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,920 S1: to throw one more question to them reading in John one. Uh, 681 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,800 S1: I am John the Baptist said I'm not the Messiah. 682 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,560 S1: So the the Jews from Jerusalem sent priests and Levites 683 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,399 S1: to ask him, who are you? He says, I'm not 684 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,719 S1: the Messiah. What then? They asked him, are you Elijah? 685 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,680 S1: No I'm not. Are you the prophet? No, he answered. 686 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,359 S1: Who are you? Then give us an answer. We have 687 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,759 S1: to tell those who sent us. So who was the 688 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,960 S1: prophet that they're talking about? Messiah. Elijah? If you're not 689 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,120 S1: Elijah or the Messiah or the prophet, who's the prophet 690 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,960 S1: they're talking about? They're Mike V. 691 00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:05,700 S5: I mean, there's all kinds of discussion about that. I'm 692 00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:07,980 S5: going to let Michael answer that question. Actually, he has 693 00:39:07,980 --> 00:39:09,020 S5: a better answer than I do. 694 00:39:09,060 --> 00:39:09,259 S7: Okay. 695 00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:12,780 S2: I don't know about that, but, uh, the it's related 696 00:39:12,780 --> 00:39:17,180 S2: to Deuteronomy 18, where there was, uh, the idea that 697 00:39:17,180 --> 00:39:21,660 S2: there would be an eschatological prophet like Moses. Uh, some 698 00:39:21,700 --> 00:39:25,020 S2: identified that eschatological, eschatological is a big word just means 699 00:39:25,020 --> 00:39:29,500 S2: end of days. Uh, prophet, a special prophet coming. Some 700 00:39:29,500 --> 00:39:32,859 S2: identified that with the Messiah himself, and some said that 701 00:39:32,860 --> 00:39:37,339 S2: he would be a second prophet besides Elijah that would 702 00:39:37,340 --> 00:39:41,819 S2: announce the Messiah. So what? What they seem to be 703 00:39:41,820 --> 00:39:48,420 S2: asking is, are you the Messiah? Well, no. Are you Elijah? Well, 704 00:39:48,460 --> 00:39:51,740 S2: technically no, because he comes in the spirit and power 705 00:39:51,739 --> 00:39:55,420 S2: of Elijah, but he's not Elijah resurrected. And then third, 706 00:39:55,420 --> 00:39:59,779 S2: are you the prophet that announces the Messiah and and 707 00:39:59,780 --> 00:40:00,700 S2: he says no. 708 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,480 S1: So from Deuteronomy, I got to go back to Deuteronomy. 709 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,040 S2: Deuteronomy 1815 through 19. The Lord will raise up for 710 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,799 S2: you a prophet like Moses. 711 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:08,520 S7: See? 712 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,399 S1: Learn something new there, too. All right, Sheldon, I said 713 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:16,000 S1: the fish and superficial earlier. Sheldon has a question about 714 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,960 S1: a fish. Now, here's my question to you. Before you 715 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,440 S1: ask the question, Sheldon, why do you want to know 716 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,399 S1: this question from the Old Testament? 717 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,960 S11: Brothers and sisters. Sisters? Excuse me. I guess that's for 718 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,160 S11: the people answering the phone. Brother and sister? Yeah. Um, 719 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,279 S11: the Ninevites, I hear. Correct me if I'm wrong, I 720 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:38,400 S11: probably am. The Ninevites worship a god. Small G called Dagon. 721 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:43,319 S11: Dagon was a fish god, half man, half fish. And 722 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,560 S11: some of the illustrations and images of Dagon are a 723 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,439 S11: man coming out of a fish. Do you think, if 724 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,200 S11: that's correct, that God may have set that up perfectly 725 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,480 S11: for the Ninevites? When Jonah came out and preached the 726 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,160 S11: word and they repented so fast? 727 00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,860 S1: Okay, so you're connecting the the whale or the fish 728 00:41:00,860 --> 00:41:01,620 S1: that spit him. 729 00:41:01,620 --> 00:41:01,940 S11: Up. 730 00:41:02,700 --> 00:41:03,060 S1: With a. 731 00:41:03,380 --> 00:41:04,860 S11: Fish eye here, I don't know. 732 00:41:04,900 --> 00:41:07,940 S2: Yeah, and that would that would fit well with Jonah. 733 00:41:08,180 --> 00:41:13,020 S2: But the the good news is, yes, it's. Yes and no. 734 00:41:13,060 --> 00:41:16,020 S2: The first bit of the answer is that the Ninevites 735 00:41:16,020 --> 00:41:21,140 S2: did worship a god, small G named Dagon, but he 736 00:41:21,140 --> 00:41:26,780 S2: was more of an agricultural fertility god. But it was 737 00:41:26,780 --> 00:41:29,259 S2: among the Philistines that they saw it as a fish god. 738 00:41:29,260 --> 00:41:32,500 S2: So the Assyrians didn't really see him as a fish 739 00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:38,300 S2: god so much as a fertility god, whereas the Philistines 740 00:41:38,420 --> 00:41:42,620 S2: Philistines saw him as as a fish god. So unless 741 00:41:42,620 --> 00:41:45,380 S2: the Philistines went to Nineveh, which is pretty far away, 742 00:41:45,580 --> 00:41:47,140 S2: they wouldn't have made that connection. 743 00:41:47,580 --> 00:41:49,380 S1: Okay, Mike V anything to add? 744 00:41:49,900 --> 00:41:53,660 S5: Yeah. Um, you know, in first Samuel chapter five, where 745 00:41:53,660 --> 00:41:56,820 S5: we have the episode of, um, the Ark being brought 746 00:41:56,820 --> 00:42:01,359 S5: before Dagon and then began falling down. Right. Um, it's 747 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,120 S5: really interesting. There's no mention of him being a fish 748 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:09,440 S5: god and just just the superiority of God in comparison 749 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,000 S5: to Dagon. And while there may be some significance as 750 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,560 S5: it relates to the Ninevites, I don't know that there's 751 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,040 S5: any in first Samuel chapter five. Otherwise, I think probably 752 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,560 S5: we would have been told, um, that there's some sort 753 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,120 S5: of a connection here with the fish. God. But the 754 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,000 S5: key is in that passage in first Samuel is God's 755 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,160 S5: superiority over all gods, including Dagon. 756 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:32,160 S7: Yeah. 757 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,640 S2: The idea of a fish god comes from the name, uh, 758 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,400 S2: dog is fish, so. 759 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,680 S1: Dog is fish. Yes, I learned, I learned something new. 760 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,680 S1: Dog is fish. Um, there were other other. You know, 761 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,439 S1: Baal is talked about, uh, throughout the Old Testament. And 762 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,839 S1: then who were the Moabites? Who did. 763 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:55,239 S7: They worship? 764 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,899 S2: You know what Baal means? the Hebrew word Baal. It 765 00:42:58,900 --> 00:42:59,860 S2: means lord. 766 00:43:00,580 --> 00:43:01,980 S7: Ah, no. 767 00:43:03,060 --> 00:43:06,380 S2: And the word el, which is a name for Elohim, 768 00:43:06,380 --> 00:43:10,779 S2: is God in the Bible. But el or eloah is 769 00:43:10,980 --> 00:43:13,820 S2: can also be God with a small G. Okay, so 770 00:43:14,660 --> 00:43:15,740 S2: that's that's. 771 00:43:15,780 --> 00:43:18,980 S1: Sheldon, I'm glad you called today. Thank you. Before we end, 772 00:43:19,020 --> 00:43:22,260 S1: David is in Chicago. David, go right ahead. 773 00:43:23,180 --> 00:43:24,299 S12: Hi, Chris. How are you. 774 00:43:24,620 --> 00:43:24,900 S7: Doing? 775 00:43:24,900 --> 00:43:25,180 S1: Great. 776 00:43:25,180 --> 00:43:29,060 S12: Thanks. That's good. I have a question that's always bothered me. Um, 777 00:43:29,260 --> 00:43:33,219 S12: first Corinthians 13 1 to 3, for example, where it 778 00:43:33,219 --> 00:43:35,660 S12: talks about, you know, your faith or gifts or whatever 779 00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:40,180 S12: without love, that that's meaningless or it's like a clanging gong. 780 00:43:40,540 --> 00:43:42,819 S12: What if you grew up in life, you didn't have 781 00:43:42,820 --> 00:43:45,900 S12: love growing up? You don't have it now. You really 782 00:43:45,900 --> 00:43:49,580 S12: don't understand, I guess the concept or feel it. Does 783 00:43:49,580 --> 00:43:51,900 S12: that mean no matter how hard you try in your faith, 784 00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:54,700 S12: it's just in vain? It's never going to amount to anything. 785 00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,400 S5: I don't think that's what it means, David. I think, um, 786 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,719 S5: I think that if we know Christ as our Savior, 787 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,480 S5: then we've experienced the incredible love of God. And the 788 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,759 S5: assumption is that if we've experienced the love of God, 789 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,759 S5: we can have love for others. I don't think necessarily 790 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,200 S5: that our background automatically means that we're never going to 791 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,839 S5: experience or enjoy or be able to express love. I 792 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,000 S5: just don't think that's the case. I think if we 793 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,680 S5: if we ask the Lord to use us to love 794 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:33,040 S5: and to delightfully meet the needs of others around us, um, 795 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,640 S5: I think he'll help us to do that. 796 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:35,080 S7: Yeah. 797 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,400 S2: You know, there's all kinds of love that we can experience. 798 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,360 S2: Doesn't have to be with a spouse or something like that. Uh, 799 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,319 S2: yesterday I was talking to Tricia McMillan, the producer. My 800 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,800 S2: wife said, you're talking to Tricia. I said, yeah, she said, 801 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:55,820 S2: I love her so much. I thought, well, okay, she's patient, 802 00:44:55,860 --> 00:44:58,500 S2: you know that. No, no, I mean, I totally I 803 00:44:58,540 --> 00:45:03,900 S2: totally get it. We all have love of some. It 804 00:45:03,900 --> 00:45:06,060 S2: doesn't have to be a particular kind of love. This 805 00:45:06,060 --> 00:45:09,060 S2: is just talking about love of others. Uh, it's not 806 00:45:09,060 --> 00:45:11,540 S2: talking about whether you were raised with a parent who 807 00:45:11,540 --> 00:45:15,060 S2: loves you or. Or whether you're married to someone you love. 808 00:45:15,100 --> 00:45:20,819 S2: It's talking about a godly attitude of love. And it's saying, 809 00:45:20,820 --> 00:45:25,100 S2: if I have, uh, all faith that I can move mountains. 810 00:45:25,300 --> 00:45:28,780 S2: You know, I'm this. But no love in my heart, 811 00:45:29,660 --> 00:45:32,339 S2: which we can only have if we've trusted in Jesus. 812 00:45:32,660 --> 00:45:35,540 S2: That kind of love, uh, that's kind of worthless. 813 00:45:35,739 --> 00:45:38,860 S1: That should give real hope. This is the kind of 814 00:45:38,860 --> 00:45:42,660 S1: an ostentatious. You know, I'm doing these great big things, 815 00:45:42,980 --> 00:45:46,779 S1: speaking in other languages, etc., etc. but if I'm not, 816 00:45:46,820 --> 00:45:49,500 S1: if I don't do that out of the motivation of love, 817 00:45:49,540 --> 00:45:52,719 S1: then it falls flat. And how do you do that? 818 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,200 S1: The only way you can do that is to be 819 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,960 S1: empowered by on high to love as Jesus loved. How 820 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,800 S1: do you get that kind of love? It's it's only 821 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,080 S1: from him. So, David, I'm really glad you called today. 822 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,560 S1: And I sense that there's probably a back story here 823 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,640 S1: that we could go into with your story, and that 824 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,840 S1: there are other people listening right there who saying, yeah, 825 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,399 S1: that's exactly what I've experienced. I haven't experienced that kind 826 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,560 S1: of love. And I think Ask God, show me the 827 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,920 S1: kind of love that you have for me. I haven't 828 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,440 S1: experienced that. Show me that. And you can find that 829 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,080 S1: in His word as you, as you study it. 830 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,719 S2: God loved the world in this way. He gave his 831 00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:34,520 S2: one and only son. 832 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,239 S1: He gave. He gave Michaels thanks for being here. God 833 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,399 S1: bless you, friends. Come back and see us. 834 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:41,120 S7: Thanks, Chris. 835 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:41,960 S2: Thanks, Chris. 836 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,880 S1: Chris Fabry Live is a production of Moody Radio, a 837 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,280 S1: ministry of Moody Bible Institute.