WEBVTT - Experiencing God’s Nature

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<v S1>Coming to you from the Morning Star Mission sponsored studio.

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<v S1>This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

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<v S2>You know, if you're new listening to us here. I

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<v S2>was blown away a number of years ago now, and

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<v S2>I saw the words of Jesus where he said, it

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<v S2>is to your advantage that I go, because the Holy

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<v S2>Spirit will come, the Comforter, and He will guide you,

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<v S2>ultimately guide you into all truth. And what a what

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<v S2>an amazing what an amazing thing. By the way, if

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<v S2>you want the biggest bodies of teaching on the Holy Spirit,

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<v S2>it's John 14, John 16, and Romans eight. That is,

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<v S2>you want the comprehensive deal. That's it. You can go

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<v S2>to First Corinthians and find teaching on the power of

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<v S2>the Holy Spirit. And yet those are more corrective in

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<v S2>nature rather than instructive in nature. But the most illumination

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<v S2>about the power of the Holy Spirit is what Jesus

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<v S2>tells his disciples. He says, it's to your advantage that

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<v S2>I go. It's just when I saw that, I'm like,

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<v S2>hold the phone, Charlie Brown. If it's to our advantage

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<v S2>that Jesus is gone, maybe we ought to plumb the

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<v S2>depths of that advantage. Ali.

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<v S3>If you have an advantage, you want to take it.

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<v S2>Oh, what's that game where they have an advantage? What

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<v S2>is that survivor advantage.

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<v S3>Like I don't know.

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<v S2>Yeah, that that reality show that barely made it. What

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<v S2>are they on their 48th season advantage?

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<v S4>I think they are season 40 something.

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<v S3>Something like that.

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<v S2>Yeah yeah yeah. It's it's really cool. And boy, sometimes

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<v S2>wake up in the morning we go yeah, yeah I

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<v S2>got I have one advantage please. Uh, right over here.

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<v S3>You know my, my son plays travel basketball and he

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<v S3>recently had showed up to a game and only there

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<v S3>were only four kids on his team that showed up

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<v S3>for the start of the team for the start of

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<v S3>the game. So the other team had a one person advantage.

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<v S4>And.

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<v S3>Got to play five on four. Jeez, So.

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<v S2>Did they hold them off? That's kind of.

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<v S3>Fun, though, you know? I mean, halftime, they got their

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<v S3>fifth guy to show up, and then they could at

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<v S3>least be even. But for a whole half they were

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<v S3>down one man and had to like if you got

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<v S3>the advantage, take it.

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<v S5>But cam, I could just see his little heart like, oh,

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<v S5>he said.

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<v S3>They just kept trapping me at half court. They just

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<v S3>kept sending two at me and there was no one open.

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<v S2>Well, no, I mean that's the that's actually wise defense.

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<v S2>When you're up one, you go to the guard.

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<v S3>You're using your advantage. Yeah. Use the advantage.

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<v S4>Man.

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<v S2>Yeah. And the other subplot there is the kids sitting

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<v S2>in the stands going, dad, there's a team. I actually

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<v S2>wouldn't have to fill the bench on.

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<v S3>I'd be a starter right away.

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<v S2>Dad, sign me up for these guys. They seem to

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<v S2>not have enough personnel.

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<v S3>They're undermanned today.

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<v S4>It's crazy.

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<v S2>Why is it that that happens? When my son was

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<v S2>playing ball and not at the AAU level? Everybody shows up,

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<v S2>suited up, ready to go. But in junior high and

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<v S2>even early on in high school. He had a couple

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<v S2>of games he started. There's four guys on the court.

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<v S3>And you're going, can we get everybody to show up?

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<v S3>And then you got to you're running around like like

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<v S3>crazy men just trying to trying to not be overwhelmed.

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<v S2>Yeah, it's it's crazy. So when you when you got

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<v S2>an advantage when you're one up but you don't use

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<v S2>it because that'd be a real loss. You find out

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<v S2>the opposition's got four and you say, well, let's just

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<v S2>play with four. No, if you got an advantage, take it, man.

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<v S3>Use the advantage.

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<v S2>Get them on the court. Uh, you know, sometimes we

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<v S2>wake up in the morning, we go, man, do we

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<v S2>need an advantage in rough news coming out of DC?

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<v S2>We're going to break it down for you.

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<v S1>She's a choreographer extraordinaire and everything is Greek to her.

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<v S1>Super di is in the crew. It's Carl and crew

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<v S1>on Moody Radio.

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<v S2>Well, for us to speculate, postulate Cogitate commentate on some news,

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<v S2>it would be futile. And I mean that. I'm not

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<v S2>trying to be cute here. There's some things that we

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<v S2>need to bring in, and this is one of the

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<v S2>things we tried to do here with Karl and Cruz.

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<v S2>Bring in experts that actually have a way better handle

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<v S2>on what's going on. Doctor Mitch Glazer is one of them, right? Ali.

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<v S3>Yeah, from Chosen People Ministries. If you follow the news

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<v S3>at all, you've likely heard about the murder that happened outside.

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<v S3>Was it the Israel, the embassy?

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<v S4>Uh, no, it was outside of a museum.

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<v S3>The museum last night in DC. Let's get Doctor Mitch

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<v S3>Glazer from Chosen People Ministries to weigh in. Coming up.

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<v S1>He's a sports fanatic with a stat for anything you

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<v S1>can think of. Young Thunder is in the crew. It's

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<v S1>Karl and crew on Moody Radio.

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<v S2>Precious young couple gunned down in cold blood last night

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<v S2>in Washington, DC at a Jewish museum by a man

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<v S2>when he was arrested, was yelling free, free Palestine, free,

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<v S2>free Palestine. What's going on, Mitch Glazer? He's with us

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<v S2>right now, president of Chosen People Ministries. What was your

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<v S2>first initial response when you heard this news?

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<v S6>Well, like you, Carl, I got up pretty early in

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<v S6>the morning and, uh, found out about it immediately contacted

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<v S6>our chosen people Ministry staff in Israel and to see

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<v S6>how they were doing. I found out quite a bit

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<v S6>about the couple if you wanted me to share some

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<v S6>of that.

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<v S2>Yeah, it's a precious story, actually. They were going to

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<v S2>be engaged in Jerusalem this week, right?

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<v S6>They were. But what some people may not know is

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<v S6>that your own lozinski was a believer in Jesus.

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<v S2>Oh he was.

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<v S6>So this is the horrific murder of a young, dynamic

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<v S6>Messianic Jewish person, uh, with a godly family in Israel.

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<v S6>And I would imagine I can't say too much at

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<v S6>this time because it would be too personal. I know

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<v S6>for sure that he was was a believer. It looks

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<v S6>pretty clear that his fiancée was as well.

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<v S3>Wow. Doctor Mitch Glazer is with Chosen People Ministries, one

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<v S3>of the oldest and largest messianic missions in the United States.

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<v S3>Doctor Glazer, we have seen a resurgence in anti-Semitism, particularly

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<v S3>since October 7th. This is often called the world's oldest hatred.

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<v S3>Give us a picture of what this new anti-Semitism looks like.

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<v S6>Well, this new anti-Semitism is dressed up in alleged political clothing. And, uh,

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<v S6>from the name of the assailant, it doesn't seem like

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<v S6>necessarily that he is an Arab or Palestinian himself. And

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<v S6>so it's possible that he's one of those who has

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<v S6>been influenced by all of the propaganda against Israel and

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<v S6>against the Jewish people, and up until that's been coming

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<v S6>out recently, in light of what I think is a

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<v S6>defensive action on Israel's part, after the attack of October 7th,

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<v S6>we had a major conference at Moody Bible Institute last

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<v S6>fall that Carl was part of and where we were

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<v S6>able to shine a light on those issues and, and

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<v S6>help people see that there is an underlying anti-Semitism that's

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<v S6>floating around the globe that is expressing itself in political terms,

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<v S6>but it goes far deeper than that. And recent surveys

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<v S6>have also indicated that anti-Semitism is is on the rise,

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<v S6>not only in the United States, but unfortunately, we've demonstrated

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<v S6>that it's on the rise across the pond in England

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<v S6>and in Ireland for sure. Australia. And so many of these, uh,

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<v S6>individuals who are allegedly taking a political stand against the

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<v S6>modern state of Israel and their pursuit of their enemies

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<v S6>who attack them on October 7th. We do see that

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<v S6>there is an underlying anti-Semitism that is coming to the

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<v S6>surface now. And this is the first murder shooting directly

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<v S6>at close range. She knew exactly what he was doing.

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<v S6>Of Jewish people. There were a couple of shootings at

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<v S6>synagogues a few years ago. We thought that that may

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<v S6>have died down, but obviously it has not. And so

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<v S6>we are living in very dangerous times, which means my

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<v S6>brothers and sisters in Christ need to be praying for

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<v S6>the peace of Jerusalem and for the protection of the

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<v S6>Jewish people. And I know as a messianic Jew and

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<v S6>maybe speaking on behalf of many of the Messianic Jews

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<v S6>who are who are listening and who are part of

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<v S6>the body of Messiah all across the United States. I

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<v S6>know that all of us would appreciate your prayers.

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<v S2>Yeah, and we're going to do that before we're done here.

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<v S2>Doctor Mitch Glazer, our guest right now, president of Chosen

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<v S2>People Ministries. Good man of God, great man, got a

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<v S2>great sense of humor. He's an absolute character I love Mitch.

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<v S2>What a guy. I wish I could have more time

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<v S2>with you, brother. You look at situations like you look

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<v S2>like situations like this, and, you know, I don't want

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<v S2>to read too much into it, but this. There's a

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<v S2>radicalization that is happening on college campuses that has a

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<v S2>heavy dose of irony. These were campuses here in the

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<v S2>last decade that stood up for people that felt microaggressions.

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<v S2>They would draw circles and safe spaces. And yet these

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<v S2>same proponents Sense of protecting. Microaggressions are the same voices

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<v S2>that are speaking loudly. I'm not saying they're promoting murder,

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<v S2>but they're speaking loudly for terrorist groups. There has to be.

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<v S2>You can't ignore a demonic, spiritually demonic influence going on here, Mitch,

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<v S2>because it goes beyond common sense, my brother.

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<v S6>It is. I mean, I would speak directly to the

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<v S6>Jewish issue, Carl, because God made a covenant with Abraham,

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<v S6>promised a people, a land and a future for Israel,

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<v S6>and even gave the geographic boundaries of the land of

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<v S6>Israel in Genesis 15. And now we see that there

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<v S6>are movements that are becoming more and more overt in

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<v S6>their anti-Semitism and Anti-israelism and under the guise, I think,

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<v S6>sometimes of political radicalism. Carl, I was a young, unsaved

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<v S6>Jewish hippie.

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<v S2>Yeah.

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<v S6>In the late 60s and early 70s. And I was

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<v S6>I was at Columbia with some of those. Right when

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<v S6>those riots were taking place. And, uh, there was a

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<v S6>different feel to those riots than what's happening today. Those

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<v S6>were kids searching for peace. And but these today, these

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<v S6>today are smaller, actually, but more radical and more vicious. And, uh,

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<v S6>there's a darkness to it. Carl. And so I think

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<v S6>that it, it shows a certain Satanic involvement with what's

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<v S6>happening on campus. And obviously it's not. And this is

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<v S6>one of the big deals about the shooting call. It's

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<v S6>it's not just campus. It just moved off campus in

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<v S6>the most violent of ways. And so this is we

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<v S6>need to take notice of this. I think that the

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<v S6>landscape changed last night with the shooting of this precious couple.

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<v S3>Doctor Mitch Glazer, Chosen People Ministries with us right now.

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<v S3>Doctor Glazer, what are some of the lies that are

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<v S3>being told about Israel that you believe are sort of

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<v S3>cultivating this acceptance of anti-Semitism and of hatred of the

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<v S3>Jewish people in general?

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<v S6>Number one, I think, is the accusation of genocide. That's

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<v S6>a false charge. We've already demonstrated that this charge of genocide,

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<v S6>which was brought before the International Criminal Court by South Africa,

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<v S6>that was then supported by Ireland, 16% of Irish, quote unquote,

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<v S6>Christians in a recent survey were favorable towards Israel. Let

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<v S6>me redefine that. That means almost 75% were not. And

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<v S6>so I think there's an underlying anti-Semitism in all of

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<v S6>these all of these issues. And so I think that

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<v S6>genocide is is terrible, of course. But Israel was not

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<v S6>committing genocide. Israel was trying to defend itself. And every,

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<v S6>every couple of hours, even over the last few days,

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<v S6>maybe 2 or 3 times a day, actually, maybe more.

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<v S6>I get emails, I mean, WhatsApp messages from our staff

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<v S6>saying sheltering, sheltering, sheltering because missiles are coming in not

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<v S6>just from the Houthis, but from still from Gaza. And

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<v S6>so this this war is not over. So where's the genocide?

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<v S6>Who's attacking a nation of innocents? It's not Israel who's

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<v S6>attacking a nation of innocents. There's military action, terrorist actions

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<v S6>against Israel. Israel is defending itself. So that's a false charge.

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<v S6>And it's a very serious false charge.

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<v S2>We're going to pray here in just a moment, Mitch.

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<v S2>What are the most responsible biblical responses to something like

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<v S2>this for a Christ follower. What do you say?

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<v S6>I've got three P's for you. Call. I'm an old

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<v S6>Baptist preacher, you know, even though I'm Jewish, you know.

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<v S6>So the first one is to pray. Pray for the

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<v S6>peace of Jerusalem. Psalm 122, verse six. They will prosper

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<v S6>who love thee. It's prayer with a promise. Uh. God

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<v S6>chose Abraham, chose the Jewish people, has great plans. First

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<v S6>coming came through the Jewish people. Second coming will come

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<v S6>when the Jewish people turn to Christ. Just look at

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<v S6>Romans 1111 through the end of the chapter. There's no

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<v S6>doubt that Satan is trying to destroy the Jewish people

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<v S6>because he wants to destroy the Messiah and he hates God.

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<v S6>And so, uh, this is a very important thing, uh,

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<v S6>to see. And the antidote to a spirit, the best

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<v S6>weapon in a spiritual battle is prayer and the word

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<v S6>of God. And so we have to fight, like, with,

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<v S6>like we're fighting a spiritual battle. We need to be

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<v S6>on our knees. So that's prayer. Number two is to preserve.

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<v S6>And we have to understand that we have an obligation

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<v S6>as Christians to help preserve the Jewish people. God said

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<v S6>to Abraham, I will bless those who bless thee, curse

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<v S6>those who curse thee. And so God wants us preserve

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<v S6>the Jewish people. And the third little pea is, I believe,

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<v S6>grows out of these first two. And that's to protect

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<v S6>Christians need to be able to protect the Jewish people.

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<v S6>We had a rally in New York, and we had

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<v S6>an Australian Jewish believer who said something that I will

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<v S6>never forget, and that is we need to let the

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<v S6>pro-Palestinian protesters and those who hate the Jewish people know

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<v S6>that in order to get to the Jewish people, they

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<v S6>have to first get through the church.

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<v S2>Yeah. Powerful.

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<v S6>So Christians can protect the Jewish people. If you see

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<v S6>it locally, handle it. If you hear about it globally,

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<v S6>pray about it. Stand against it. Use your social media

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<v S6>in a positive way. Pray. Preserve. Protect the Jewish people.

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<v S6>And that will be an incredible testimony, by the way,

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<v S6>to your Jewish friends.

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<v S2>Mitch, I love you. Let me do this right now. Father,

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<v S2>thank you that you hear our prayers. Our prayers right

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<v S2>now are not without power. We do not serve a

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<v S2>God who has hands that cannot move and feet that

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<v S2>cannot walk. You are able and Lord, in your providence

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<v S2>and power we ask you to thwart evil. We ask

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<v S2>in the name of Jesus. And we speak in the

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<v S2>name of Jesus. The Lord rebuke you, Satan, you have

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<v S2>no authority here. And Lord, we do pray. We do preserve.

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<v S2>We do protect. And we thank you that you are good.

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<v S2>We thank you that you have emotions of weeping over

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<v S2>people without a shepherd. And you extend a hand to

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<v S2>every person, even this young man who took the lives

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<v S2>of this precious couple last night in DC. And you're

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<v S2>reaching out and offering him today life in Christ Jesus. And, Lord,

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<v S2>I give you thanks today. It calms our heart to

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<v S2>know that we can talk to the God of the universe.

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<v S2>And so we pray. Peace over Jerusalem, peace in this world.

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<v S2>And we know that that day will come when the

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<v S2>Prince of Peace will arrive. And everything will be brought

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<v S2>into balance. But until then, Lord, we pray, as you've

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<v S2>called us to pray in Jesus name. Amen.

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<v S3>Amen.

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<v S6>Thank you, Brother Carl. I love you too. And let's

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<v S6>all remember to pray for the family of Daniel and Sarah.

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<v S2>We will do that. We will do that.

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<v S6>That was that was murdered. Yeah.

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<v S2>Thank you, Mitch, for coming in here this morning.

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<v S3>Doctor Mitch Glazer was our guest this morning. If you

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<v S3>want more, just go to chosen PEOPLE.com. Go to PEOPLE.com.

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<v S1>She was trying to earn her way to God, but

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<v S1>God showed her she didn't have to. Ali is in

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<v S1>the crew. It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

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<v S2>We are rolling on Carl and crew, helping you take

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<v S2>your next step with Jesus. You can't step out with

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<v S2>them if you don't abide with him. In this proximity

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<v S2>to Jesus is everything. And I just have on my

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<v S2>heart here the last couple of days. Someone right now

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<v S2>needs to know this. You can come as you are

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<v S2>and experience God right now. God and the power of

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<v S2>the resurrection is still cooking here today. By the way, folks,

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<v S2>the tomb is still empty. It's not one day that

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<v S2>we celebrate the empty tomb. It's like three 6524 over seven.

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<v S3>Yes.

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<v S2>Oh, so God wants to help you overcome what seems

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<v S2>impossible and live as you never imagined. Those are realities.

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<v S2>And we are sold out to them here with Carl

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<v S2>and crew. And sometimes you hear things like you just

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<v S2>heard from Mitch Glazer. And here's what I believe. I

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<v S2>believe interviews like that can spur spur us on spiritually,

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<v S2>mainly because of the three P's. If you didn't hear

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<v S2>the three P's, how in the world did they get this?

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<v S3>You could get the show cast. If you want to

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<v S3>ever want to hear an interview again, just text the

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<v S3>word show to 800 555 7898. Text show to 800

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<v S2>Yeah, grateful for you being here this morning, guys. Lots

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<v S2>to pray for in our world today. And we're not

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<v S2>done yet. Coming up we're going to be tackling this

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<v S2>identity thing from a posture of discipline. What do we need?

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<v S1>You can take him out of Alaska, but you can't

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<v S1>take Alaska out of him. Carl is in the crew.

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<v S1>It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

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<v S3>What do you believe to be true about yourself? If

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<v S3>you had to pin down your identity? Who are you?

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<v S3>It's easy to start to pin on. I am this

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<v S3>based on your family, based on your job, based on

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<v S3>your accomplishments. But who are you in Christ? It's so

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<v S3>important that we have our identity in Christ fixed and rooted.

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<v S3>We're going to get some help with this with Doctor

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<v S3>Richard Blackaby joining us. Coming up.

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<v S1>Your shot of hope to help you through the day.

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<v S1>This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

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<v S2>Well, we've been tackling identity in Christ and identity in Christ.

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<v S2>I think it was popularized probably by Neil Anderson in.

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<v S3>Okay.

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<v S2>Uh, I think Neil probably popularized this, but, boy, when

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<v S2>he began to speak of the power of identity to

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<v S2>overcome so much stuff in this broken and fallen world,

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<v S2>it really created an avalanche of teaching on this. And

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<v S2>one of the most incredible Bible studies ever is experiencing God,

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<v S2>finding where God is working and join him. I mean,

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<v S2>come on, that's just I mean, you just lift that

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<v S2>from the heart and the pulse of experiencing God. And

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<v S2>one of those minds behind all this is Doctor Richard Blackaby.

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<v S2>You know, Richard, thanks for being with us here. First off, today,

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<v S2>thank you for being with us. But this whole issue

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<v S2>of identity in Christ, you know, you can sit there

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<v S2>and read bullet points about who you are in Christ.

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<v S2>But until those move from almost like print on a

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<v S2>page to imprint our heart, they're just words, aren't they, Richard?

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<v S7>Exactly. You know, that's why my dad wanted to go

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<v S7>from not just knowing God, but experiencing him because he said,

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<v S7>people know a lot about God, but it's not a

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<v S7>reality yet. It's just something they know in their head.

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<v S3>Why do you think that is such a disconnect? Because

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<v S3>I think that that is the lived experience of so

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<v S3>many people that they know a lot. They've acquired a

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<v S3>lot of knowledge, but it does feel sort of disconnected

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<v S3>from their day to day reality.

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<v S7>We have this sense that if we know about something,

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<v S7>that we're actually experiencing it, that it's a reality in

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<v S7>our life. And boy, I tell you, if Christians were

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<v S7>just experiencing everything they already knew in their head, the

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<v S7>the world would be turned upside down.

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<v S2>How do we close that gap? Then? Let's get really practical,

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<v S2>by the way, with us right now. Doctor Richard Blackaby. Yep.

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<v S2>Richard is president of Blackaby Ministries International. And the impact

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<v S2>of this ministry is profound. I mean, around the globe.

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<v S2>Translated into many languages. So how do we close that gap, Richard?

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<v S2>And I think this is part and parcel of our

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<v S2>challenge here. We've got a lot of church attenders, but

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<v S2>very few disciples or disciple makers. What is key? What

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<v S2>are we missing?

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<v S7>Well, you know, when it comes to discipleship, I think

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<v S7>disciples are people who follow Jesus. Uh, they're not people

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<v S7>who attend church. They're not people who believe in God.

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<v S7>They're not good people. They're people who actually follow a person.

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<v S7>Christianity is not a doctrine. Primarily, it's a relationship. It's

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<v S7>a relationship with a person. And that's what experiencing God did.

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<v S7>It reminded people that it's all about a relationship with

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<v S7>a person. It's not just a title. You don't just

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<v S7>call yourself a Christian. You don't just believe a certain

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<v S7>set of doctrines. You actually start following a person and

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<v S7>relating to him, and that changes everything.

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<v S3>Richard Blackaby, our guest right now, talk a little bit

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<v S3>about growing up. And, you know, obviously a very spiritually

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<v S3>rich environment. Your dad, Henry and your mom, Marilyn Blackaby,

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<v S3>talk a little bit about what that was like for you. Obviously,

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<v S3>no families are perfect, but you had the benefit of

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<v S3>really growing up in such a rich environment, how did

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<v S3>that shape you?

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<v S7>Yeah. You know, we were a very ordinary home, a

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<v S7>very ordinary house family. But I'll tell you what. My

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<v S7>parents acted and lived like God was real. And we

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<v S7>were constantly being told to connect what was happening in

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<v S7>our world with what God was doing. So if we

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<v S7>came home and had a bad day at school, or

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<v S7>we're facing a big test or we didn't have money

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<v S7>for something, my dad would always put it back in

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<v S7>terms of our relationship with God. He'd say, well, so

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<v S7>what is God saying about that? How is God providing?

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<v S7>If we came with a problem, he'd say, well, have

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<v S7>you asked God about that? And we'd keep saying, well,

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<v S7>you know, I believe in God. But I mean, this

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<v S7>is this is real life. This is practical. Yeah. And

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<v S7>my dad would say, well, nothing is more real life

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<v S7>than God go to him. And he just refused to

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<v S7>take the place of God in our life. And so

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<v S7>it just made God real to us even as we

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<v S7>were growing up as kids.

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<v S2>You know, I remember listening to your dad at a

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<v S2>seminar many years ago, and I believe he's one of

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<v S2>the first ones that ever spoke it in a way

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<v S2>that I understood it, he said. We're talking a lot

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<v S2>to God, but we aren't really taking the time to

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<v S2>hear his voice. How much of this relationship with God

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<v S2>is lost because we aren't listening to him?

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<v S7>Well, imagine any other human relationship. Imagine a marriage where

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<v S7>you did all the talking, you know. Tell me how

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<v S7>great of a relationship that would be. It stinks. It's

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<v S7>all about interactive and and for a lot of people.

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<v S7>And that's when people took experience in God. One of

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<v S7>the first things they said was I was never taught

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<v S7>that God actually spoke back. I just said my prayers

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<v S7>every day. I just recited all the things I wanted

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<v S7>him to do. But it never occurred to me that

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<v S7>he might actually have some things he wanted to say

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<v S7>to me, and that just revolutionized people's relationship. And when

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<v S7>you realize when you talk about identity that you actually

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<v S7>are in a loving relationship with the person who created

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<v S7>the universe and that he actually wants to spend time

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<v S7>with you, you can't tell me that you're not a

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<v S7>significant person if God wants to spend time with you.

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<v S3>Doctor Richard Blackaby. Our guest right now, and I know

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<v S3>you regularly work with Christian CEOs of fortune 500 companies.

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<v S3>You speak nationally on leadership. What's the biggest identity thing?

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<v S3>I mean, not too broad of a brush, but there's

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<v S3>some commonality in terms of the identity issues that high

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<v S3>achieving Christians, those who've been maybe walking with God for

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<v S3>a long time. But what's the identity piece that's often

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<v S3>still missing?

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<v S7>Well, you know, we're always letting someone else tell us

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<v S7>who we are. Whether it's our kids that we grew up,

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<v S7>you know, our parents that told us we were the

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<v S7>smart one, the pretty one, the whatever, the rebel. Maybe

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<v S7>kids at school, maybe it was our boss. But I

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<v S7>think the problem is, and I've known people that were

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<v S7>literally billionaires who were still deep down, trying to prove

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<v S7>to their dad that they weren't a loser. And it's like,

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<v S7>you've earned billions. Like you're very successful. You're still trying

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<v S7>to convince someone who's dead now that you're a worthwhile person.

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<v S7>And it's amazing to me because people could be very

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<v S7>successful and yet still their identity is being driven by,

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<v S7>you know, their childhood experiences in their home. And, and

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<v S7>I would say God wants to set you free from that.

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<v S7>God wants to set your identity. He wants to say

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<v S7>your your mind. You're my child. You're loved by me,

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<v S7>and I walk with you daily. That's your identity, not

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<v S7>what some bully said to you when you were in

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<v S7>middle school.

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<v S2>Okay, let's break this down. Let's get really practical here, Richard,

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<v S2>because the conviction that I have that I've stumbled upon

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<v S2>after now decades of being a pastor, is that we

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<v S2>have introduced a level of disciplines that has actually launched

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<v S2>us into a relationship with God that is very transactional.

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<v S2>So here's what I mean. Praying, Bible study, church attendance, serving,

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<v S2>giving all those things. But we've left out some of

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<v S2>the most essential disciplines, which is modeled by Jesus quietness. Solitude, Attitude. Introspection.

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<v S2>David's prayer. Search me. Know me. Try me when I

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<v S2>say that to you. What do you say? What's your

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<v S2>experience telling you?

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<v S7>Well, two things. One is the disciplines are great, but

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<v S7>they are a means. They're not an end. And I

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<v S7>see a lot of people that use disciplines as an end.

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<v S7>It's like, I'm going to do my Bible reading today.

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<v S7>I'm going to save my prayers today. I'm going to

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<v S7>make myself do all these things that Christians are supposed

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<v S7>to do. But that's not a relationship. You don't enter

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<v S7>into a relationship with a discipline. You enter a relationship

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<v S7>with a person and you see the disciplines are things

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<v S7>we can control. We get up every day and decide, okay,

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<v S7>I'm going to spend 30 minutes reading my Bible. I'm

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<v S7>not going to spend any time in quiet because I

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<v S7>don't really like that anyway. I'm an extrovert, so I'll

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<v S7>lean over here. But we're in charge, right? We're calling

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<v S7>all the shots. You're right. But when you relate to

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<v S7>a person who's far superior to you, who's your creator, well,

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<v S7>then he calls the shots and he may lead you

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<v S7>into quiet. He may lead you into meditation or into fasting,

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<v S7>things that you wouldn't normally gravitate toward yourself. He's the

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<v S7>one in charge, then, but often we're still in charge

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<v S7>of our disciplines, and so we sort of customize them

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<v S7>into the ones we like, and we avoid the ones

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<v S7>we don't like, but we're still in charge. When you

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<v S7>start to relate to God, you're not in charge anymore.

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<v S7>People will say, well, I you know, I did my

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<v S7>quiet time, then I was done or I prayed till

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<v S7>I was finished. And sometimes I'll say, well, was God finished?

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<v S7>Good word. Did God release you or were you just done?

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<v S7>I suspect if we waited till God released us from

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<v S7>our quiet times, we might spend a bit more time

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<v S7>doing them.

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<v S2>Yeah. And and realize oftentimes we compartmentalize quiet times. And

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<v S2>so we got quiet time and hope that the fumes

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<v S2>of that carries on. But the fact is, I mean,

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<v S2>all our time can be with God. All right. Personal

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<v S2>question what's God showing you lately in the quiet places?

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<v S7>Well, to slow down, for one thing, I'm a type

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<v S7>A driven person, and I like to get a lot done.

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<v S7>I'm a hard worker, but God is saying I can

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<v S7>get more done walking slowly with him, quietly with him

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<v S7>than I can, running 90 miles an hour at a

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<v S7>frenetic pace. And I mean, some people need to speed

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<v S7>it up. But for me, people like me, I think

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<v S7>slowing down is an act of faith to say, I'm

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<v S7>going to trust God with this. But sometimes for me,

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<v S7>just slowing down, I miss too much of God. Again,

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<v S7>you sometimes you can feel like your work is the relationship.

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<v S7>But God didn't call me to work. He called me

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<v S7>to abide and he said, apart from him, I could

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<v S7>do nothing. I'm having to learn that that charging off

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<v S7>and getting a lot done is not the essence of

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<v S7>the Christian life. It is staying as close to Christ

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<v S7>as I possibly can. And when you do that, stuff

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<v S7>just happens. Fruit just appears and you bear fruit and

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<v S7>you don't even know how it happened. You just were

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<v S7>staying close to Jesus. And I think that's the secret

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<v S7>to really abundant, full Christian life.

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<v S3>Wow. If you got nothing else out of this conversation,

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<v S3>I hope you grabbed on to that last little bit.

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<v S2>It. That's.

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<v S3>Wow.

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<v S2>That's the payoff.

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<v S3>That is the payoff. And if you want more from

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<v S3>Doctor Richard Blackaby, he has a blog that I want

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<v S3>to point you to. More on abiding with Christ. Abiding

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<v S1>It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

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<v S3>Why are you dancing? What's happening with those shoulders?

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<v S2>They're moving. They're moving. Sometimes you got to move it.

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<v S2>Move it. Sometimes you just got to do it. It's

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<v S2>not even a dad dance. I try to emulate Ali.

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<v S2>I try to, I try to do everything. You know, as.

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<v S3>Far as dance moves go, I think super die is

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<v S3>the one who's leading. We want to follow, no doubt

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<v S3>because of the dancing crew.

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<v S2>Yeah, but she won't. She hasn't. We need to do

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<v S2>another choreographed video. We need to do.

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<v S3>Do we.

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<v S2>Do remember that one we did back yonder? Yeah. Back when?

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<v S2>Back when we all felt a little more spry.

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<v S3>Super die choreographed a little eight count for us, and

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<v S3>one of the four of us nailed it. And her

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<v S3>name was Superdog. The rest of us did our best.

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<v S5>Hey, great. That was good.

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<v S3>Come on, Carl. We did our best.

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<v S2>We did. We gave it. We gave it a good shot. Uh,

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<v S2>speaking of good shot, we got a really good one

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