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S2: Coming to you live from the call of Hope studio.

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S2: This is Carl and crew.

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S3: What a week this has been. And on this Freedom Friday,

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S1: Yeah. And you feel like. Well, that sounds encouraging this morning.

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S2: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

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S3: We're tackling the issue of demonization. What does that mean?

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S4: the Lord. Um, and so the only times I think

437
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S4: I would ever, you know, speak directly to a demonic

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S4: spirit or Satan is I believe that that's inside a person.

439
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S4: Jesus would address, you know, demonic spirits and tell them

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S4: you'll come out of the person. But other than that,

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S4: it seems to me that in the New Testament, as

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S4: you read the New Testament, we're to talk to the Lord,

443
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S4: talk to God, and ask him to do things, because

444
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S4: that's that's where the real power is. As far as

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S4: the binding and loosing goes, you know, Jesus mentioned that

446
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S4: in in Matthew 16, whatever you bind on earth. And,

447
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S4: but actually in the Greek it says whatever you bind

448
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S4: on earth has already been bound in heaven. Whatever you

449
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S4: loose on earth has already been loosed in heaven. So

450
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S4: we're just instruments of God to speak his truth, to

451
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S4: bind and to loose what God has already bound and loosed.

452
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S4: So basically we're just telling people what God has already

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S4: told them in His word. That's my understanding of binding

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S4: and loosing. We're not doing this on our own. We're

455
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S4: we're binding what's already been bound in heaven and loosing

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S4: what's already been loosed in heaven as we speak the

457
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S4: truth of God's Word to people. You know, a lot

458
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S4: of people spend a lot of their time talking to

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S4: the devil and, you know, telling the devil what to

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S4: do and all that. I don't find that in the

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S4: New Testament. You know, Jesus one time did say to Peter,

462
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S4: the apostle Peter, you know, get behind, get thee behind me, Satan, because,

463
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S4: you know, Peter was trying to get Jesus to evade

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S4: the cross and kind of denying what Jesus had said.

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S4: And Jesus saw within Peter a spirit of Satan who

466
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S4: was trying to, you know, get Jesus to, to derail

467
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S4: his mission. Um, but but other than that, I mean,

468
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S4: I don't think we really talked directly to Satan. That

469
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S4: would be my view. I think we talked to the Lord,

470
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S4: talked to God about about Satan or about whatever spiritual

471
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S4: warfare we're involved in, and allow his power then to

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S4: come and take over our lives.

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S1: Tim, first time caller from Ohio. Go ahead with your question.

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S4: Hey, uh.

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S8: How are you doing? Um, I just had a quick question. Uh,

476
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S8: so my brother, aunt and cousin had just recently passed away. Um, now,

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S8: I know, uh, it tells us in the Bible not

478
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S8: to communicate with the dead. But when I have dreams

479
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S8: and such of, uh, of them passing away and, uh,

480
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S8: them being with the Lord. Now, would that be. Would

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S8: that would that be Satan trying to, uh, trying to get,

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S8: you know, into my head? Or would that be, uh,

483
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S8: would that be, you know, just of the Lord?

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S3: That's a great question, Tim. First time caller in Ohio.

485
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S3: We do know that Necromancing, uh, Mark is no go

486
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S3: communicating with the dead, but is this a temptation to

487
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S3: get him to go someplace dark? What do you say, Mark?

488
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S4: I couldn't hear exactly what he said. He said he

489
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S4: had dreams about.

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S3: Yeah, he's he's having dreams to talk with his brother

491
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S3: and cousin who are recently deceased. He's he's he's getting

492
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S3: attacked in the night. What do you say is going

493
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S3: on there?

494
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S4: Well, obviously, if you lose a loved one, you may

495
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S4: have dreams about them. I think everybody does that. My

496
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S4: dad died, you know, a year, a little over a

497
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S4: year ago. And, you know, I've had a really vivid

498
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S4: dream about my father the other night, but it wasn't

499
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S4: time for me to talk to him or whatever it

500
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S4: was just, you know, we what we're thinking about during

501
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S4: the day kind of comes in, in our, in our dreams. Um,

502
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S4: but I think, yeah, if you're if you're being tempted

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S4: to talk with someone like that, um, obviously in a dream,

504
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S4: you're in, you're in that dream like state, you may

505
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S4: not know exactly what you're doing, but when you wake up, obviously,

506
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S4: then if you've had that dream, you're not then going

507
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S4: to you shouldn't try to act out, you know, going

508
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S4: and speaking with the dead because, you know, first of all,

509
00:26:01,750 --> 00:26:04,470
S4: they can't hear you anyway. But it could be a,

510
00:26:04,510 --> 00:26:07,389
S4: it could be a, you know, something that Satan's using again,

511
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S4: he'll use anything in our lives, you know, things that

512
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S4: really touch our emotions like that. And certainly, you know,

513
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S4: a lot of people have a desire maybe to, you know,

514
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S4: maybe if they had a relative who's passed away that

515
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S4: things weren't right with that person, you know, they want

516
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S4: to make it right and talk to them or, or

517
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S4: express some feelings to them. So, um, you know, Satan

518
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S4: will use any, any inroad he can find into our

519
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S4: lives like that to try to maybe tempt someone to

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S4: do something that's unbiblical. Um, you know, I just would say, look,

521
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,040
S4: if you have the dream, you had that dream, and, uh,

522
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S4: but don't follow through on trying to talk, you know,

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S4: with that person who's who's deceased. Um, that's that's not

524
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S4: something the Bible wants us to do. And that goes

525
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S4: to the whole thing of people trying to talk to

526
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S4: saints and all kinds of things. There's a lot of

527
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S4: a lot of, uh, you know, different parts to that,

528
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S4: that we don't want to be involved in. As believers.

529
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S4: We talk to God. Uh, we pray to him and, uh,

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S4: that he's he's the one that we talk to in

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S4: the spiritual realm.

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S3: Amen. One mediator between God and man. His name is

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S3: Jesus Christ. Converse with him often.

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S2: Get your info from a source you can trust. It's

535
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S2: Ask the Experts week with Carl and crew.

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S3: Carl and crew. Ask the experts. Doctor Mark Hitchcock with

537
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S3: us now answering questions about demonization. And what does it mean?

538
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S3: How can we fight against it? And thanks for holding on.

539
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S3: First time caller in Chicago. What's your question for Mark Hitchcock?

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S9: Thank you. My question very carefully is I have come

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S9: back to the Chicago area, take care of, um, relatives

542
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S9: who are disabled, and I stand in the gap being

543
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S9: taken advantage of whenever. So the people around us and relatives,

544
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S9: maybe they've left the Lord. Maybe they've. Whatever has happened

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S9: to them. One is hooked up with someone that has

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S9: substance abuse. I would say alcohol. I just feel attacked

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S9: on a daily basis. I don't know if I should

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S9: try to minister or I should flee. I'm trying to

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S9: do both because it's not good.

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S3: Yeah. Thank you, Ann, for that question. What do you say, Mark?

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S4: Well, you know, dealing with people with, you know, abuse,

552
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S4: substance abuse issues and all that stuff can be extremely

553
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S4: Draining and you can feel like you're under attack yourself

554
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S4: and dealing with that. Um, you know, it's wonderful that

555
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S4: God's giving you a desire to do that and to help.

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S4: And I just, you know, do do what God's leading

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S4: you to do in those situations. I think in some

558
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S4: of the situations, you know, God will give you the

559
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S4: opportunity to really have an impact. There may be other

560
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S4: situations that God does want you to to just get

561
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S4: away from, um, maybe for your own safety, your own

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S4: mental health, for whatever purpose. So I just would really

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S4: ask God, you know, what does God Lord, what do

564
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S4: you want me to do? You know, in these situations?

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S4: Give me, give me wisdom. You know, when I need

566
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S4: to engage, maybe when I need to disengage in these situations.

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S4: But the most important thing is to really stay close

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S4: to the Lord yourself. You know, I like the statement

569
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S4: in that that's been made, I think, by A.W. Tozer.

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S4: You know, the most important thing is not that to

571
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S4: fight the devil, but it's to stay close to the shepherd. And,

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S4: you know, we stay close to the Lord and close

573
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S4: to him and to the Shepherd. That's the greatest, really

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S4: the greatest power that we have, I think, in all

575
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S4: the spiritual warfare and all the difficult situations we face.

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S4: But just rely on the Lord, he'll show you what

577
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,880
S4: he wants you to do in each one of those situations,

578
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S4: if you'll just surrender to him and yield yourself to him.

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S1: Doctor Mark Hitchcock. Our guest this morning, he has a book,

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S1: 101 questions on this topic. If you want a link

581
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S1: to that, just text Faith to 800 555 7898. Text

582
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S1: Faith to 800 555 7898. Coming up, we'll take a

583
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S1: question from Florida that's come in. What's the difference between

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S1: demon possession and oppression?

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S2: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

586
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S3: We've got an expert with us who is bearing much fruit.

587
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,640
S3: Love and joy and peace and patience and kindness. He

588
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,560
S3: really embodies it. Doctor Mark Hitchcock is our guest right now.

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S3: We're taking questions on the demonic realm. What is it?

590
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S3: What's going on here? How can we fight it? Back

591
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S3: to the phone lines here. What do you say, Heidi?

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S1: First time caller from Florida. Thanks for your question. Go ahead.

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S10: Yes. So my question is what's the difference between demon

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S10: possession and oppression? And how do we pray against oppression?

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S4: Well, there's a big difference between those two, I believe. Um,

596
00:30:20,580 --> 00:30:22,900
S4: you know, demon possession is a real thing. Again, I

597
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S4: mentioned earlier that the Bible doesn't use a word specifically

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S4: for that. But there is a it does say refer

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S4: to the word often that someone to have a demon

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S4: if they have a demon. Um, there's another word that's used.

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S4: It's a word that's used 13 times in the New Testament.

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S4: And it does have the idea of demon dwelling or

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S4: living in a person. Remember Jesus it said about Mary Magdalene, uh,

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S4: that she had seven demons who'd gone out of her.

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S4: So clearly, if they've gone out of her, that means

606
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S4: they were inside of her. And so that, you know, demon,

607
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S4: being inside of a person is kind of what we

608
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S4: use for this idea of them being possessed or controlled

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S4: by this demonic spirit. Now, I don't believe that. I

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S4: don't believe that Christians can be possessed by a demon.

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S4: There actually are believers who think that's that's possible. But

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S4: a few reasons for that. One is the Holy Spirit

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S4: lives inside of a believer, and the Bible says, uh,

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S4: you've overcome the world. Greater is he who is in

615
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S4: you than he who's in the world. I don't believe

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S4: the Holy Spirit inside of us is going to share

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S4: his residence with a demonic spirit. Um, also, when you

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S4: read in the New Testament, it often talks about how

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S4: we've been rescued from the domain of darkness. Colossians 113

620
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S4: transferred to the kingdom of his Son. And so it

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S4: seems like we've been rescued from that domain. And the

622
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S4: other thing is, is that is that for believers, the

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S4: New Testament epistles, all the letters that are written by

624
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S4: Paul and Peter and and Jude and others are silent

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S4: on the issue of, you know, believer having a demon

626
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S4: and it's sent out of him. You think of believers

627
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S4: could be demon possessed. The epistles, you know, that are

628
00:31:58,710 --> 00:32:00,510
S4: written would deal with that in some way to tell

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S4: us how to handle that. So you ask about how

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S4: we pray against, you know, demonic oppression. If you read

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S4: the account in, uh, in Ephesians six of the Full

632
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S4: Armor of God, you know, we have, you know, the

633
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S4: the belt of truth and the breastplate of righteousness, the

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S4: helmet of salvation, the sword of the spirit, which is

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S4: the Word of God. But it ends there, uh, with prayer.

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S4: And I kind of liken this to modern day warfare. Uh,

637
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S4: you know, whoever has air superiority is going to win

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S4: the battle. Amen. If you have the superiority over the air,

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S4: you're going to win. And, uh, that's really what prayer is.

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S4: I look at it in spiritual warfare. It's gaining that

641
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,959
S4: that air superiority, um, and bringing God into the equation

642
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S4: to help us. And so the main way to to

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S4: come against oppression by demonic spirits, I believe, is to

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S4: win that battle in the air. And it's through prayer.

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S4: So read Ephesians six, um, beginning in verse 18 to 20.

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S4: It's all it's kind of the everything that happens there

647
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S4: in spiritual warfare. It's all to be covered there in prayer.

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S4: And I think that's the ultimate way that we overcome

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S4: the oppression of the enemy in our lives.

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S3: Mark, let's hit a cool nuance there from Ephesians six

651
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S3: that's repeated in Mark. Uh, excuse me, Matthew, in the

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S3: temptation account, the the word there for the word is

653
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S3: not logos. It is rhema. It's the spoken word of God.

654
00:33:23,380 --> 00:33:28,459
S3: This is very important, Mark. I'm passionate about it. Before

655
00:33:28,460 --> 00:33:30,460
S3: I grab the floor, I'm going to give it to you,

656
00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:33,740
S3: my man. Let people need to understand that it's our

657
00:33:33,740 --> 00:33:37,380
S3: only offensive weapon of war. And it's clear that it's

658
00:33:37,380 --> 00:33:40,380
S3: the spoken word of God. What have you learned about that?

659
00:33:41,220 --> 00:33:44,340
S4: Yeah, the word rhema refers to the God spoken word,

660
00:33:44,340 --> 00:33:47,540
S4: but it's kind of a particular word. Um, in other words,

661
00:33:47,580 --> 00:33:49,500
S4: you know, when Satan comes against us, you don't just

662
00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:52,620
S4: throw the Bible at him. You have to know specific

663
00:33:52,620 --> 00:33:55,900
S4: statements in the Bible that relate to the situation you're in.

664
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S4: You know, just like with Jesus, you know, in the

665
00:33:58,270 --> 00:34:00,630
S4: when he's tempted of Satan three times, it is written,

666
00:34:00,630 --> 00:34:03,310
S4: it is written, it is written. He quotes the Bible, quotes,

667
00:34:03,310 --> 00:34:06,990
S4: specific passages in Scripture. So one of the things that

668
00:34:06,990 --> 00:34:09,029
S4: means is we need to know the Bible, and we

669
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:11,750
S4: need to be memorizing the Bible so that when the

670
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:15,150
S4: enemy does come against us, against us in certain areas,

671
00:34:15,150 --> 00:34:18,870
S4: that we can combat that by quoting a rhema word,

672
00:34:18,910 --> 00:34:23,110
S4: a word in due season, a particular word of God

673
00:34:23,550 --> 00:34:25,670
S4: that we can use in that situation. Because, you know,

674
00:34:25,710 --> 00:34:28,229
S4: a lot of believers, I think are just very, um,

675
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:31,470
S4: you know, susceptible to the attacks of the enemy because

676
00:34:31,469 --> 00:34:34,390
S4: they don't have a good prayer life and they don't

677
00:34:34,390 --> 00:34:36,629
S4: really know the Bible. They don't know the written word

678
00:34:36,630 --> 00:34:39,029
S4: of God. They don't know a word that they can

679
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:43,029
S4: use in particular situations to come against, you know, maybe

680
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S4: a certain temptation or a certain thought pattern or whatever

681
00:34:45,910 --> 00:34:48,790
S4: it might be. So, uh, that's a very important point

682
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:51,590
S4: you bring up there. That's our only offensive weapon is

683
00:34:51,630 --> 00:34:54,509
S4: the Word of God. It's a particular word, a particular

684
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S4: saying of God that we can use at a particular time.

685
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S3: Mark, I'm so grateful that you are championing this because

686
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,000
S3: it's it's true. Jesus was armed with the truth. Now

687
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,759
S3: he's the Son of God. He's perfect. But he was

688
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,080
S3: armed with the truth, and he spoke the truth back

689
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S3: at Satan. And Satan was twisting the truth for his

690
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S3: own ends. But that word, rhema, the spoken word of God.

691
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,640
S3: I love what you say used in a particular way

692
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,439
S3: for the attack at hand. I love it, I gotta

693
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,000
S3: tell you, we've got a resource for you. Mark has

694
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S3: written on this whole issue of demonic attack and how

695
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S3: to deal with it. Ali, let's give that link.

696
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S1: Yeah. 101 answers to questions about Satan, demons and spiritual warfare.

697
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698
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699
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S2: Your shot of hope to help you through the day.

700
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S2: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

701
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S3: What a week we are having here. It's called Ask

702
00:35:57,020 --> 00:35:59,980
S3: the Experts, and we're going to shift gears here in

703
00:35:59,980 --> 00:36:05,580
S3: a moment, because doctor Mark Hitchcock is, uh, very good

704
00:36:05,820 --> 00:36:10,780
S3: and trained and equipped to handle questions regarding end times.

705
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S3: We see a lot of things developing in Israel right

706
00:36:13,340 --> 00:36:17,459
S3: now in the Middle East. We see a somewhat reconstituting

707
00:36:17,460 --> 00:36:20,900
S3: Roman Empire. We look at Daniel chapter seven through nine,

708
00:36:20,900 --> 00:36:23,819
S3: and we can say, wow, there's going to be a

709
00:36:23,820 --> 00:36:26,459
S3: person speaking of spiritual warfare who's going to rise up

710
00:36:26,460 --> 00:36:29,100
S3: and be a claim to be a great peacemaker, but

711
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S3: he will ultimately be the Antichrist. So we're going to

712
00:36:32,140 --> 00:36:34,259
S3: shift a little bit here in just a little bit,

713
00:36:34,300 --> 00:36:36,060
S3: just a moment. But we're going to pick up some

714
00:36:36,060 --> 00:36:40,100
S3: questions still on the topic of spiritual warfare. Going back

715
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S3: to the phone lines, Rob, first time caller in Sugar Creek.

716
00:36:43,820 --> 00:36:46,260
S3: Where's Sugar Creek, my man. What state are you in?

717
00:36:47,219 --> 00:36:49,420
S11: It's in the heart of Amish country in Ohio.

718
00:36:49,660 --> 00:36:52,190
S3: All right, my man, take it away. What do you say, Rob?

719
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S11: So I heard the previous caller and the answer was

720
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S11: basically a spiritual, um, believer can't be possessed by a demon.

721
00:37:01,030 --> 00:37:05,350
S11: But I've read about spiritual, um, like, having a stronghold

722
00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:08,509
S11: might be unconfessed sin could be something else. Maybe they

723
00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:11,310
S11: are not even aware of. But, um, how does that

724
00:37:11,310 --> 00:37:15,270
S11: work with possession? Or would it be oppression? Or how

725
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:16,030
S11: does that work?

726
00:37:16,270 --> 00:37:19,390
S3: Yeah. And Mark, we've already tackled this a little bit,

727
00:37:19,390 --> 00:37:23,510
S3: but let's recover that. This is a common question isn't it, Mark?

728
00:37:24,469 --> 00:37:26,710
S4: Well it is yeah. We want to just, you know, understandable.

729
00:37:26,750 --> 00:37:29,270
S4: You know what? What authority. You know what what what

730
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:32,070
S4: can demons and what can Satan really do in our lives?

731
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:35,069
S4: You know, you mentioned earlier the passage you did in

732
00:37:35,070 --> 00:37:37,910
S4: Ephesians four about, you know, giving the enemy a foothold

733
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:40,989
S4: so the enemy can have a foothold in our lives.

734
00:37:41,350 --> 00:37:44,270
S4: We can have the enemy can gain strongholds that we

735
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S4: allow the enemy to have in our, in our minds. Um,

736
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S4: so there's all kinds of ways that the enemy can

737
00:37:50,130 --> 00:37:52,810
S4: come in to influence our lives. That's why, you know,

738
00:37:52,850 --> 00:37:55,089
S4: we're told to put on the helmet of salvation. It

739
00:37:55,090 --> 00:37:58,330
S4: deals with our mind. Put on the breastplate of righteousness

740
00:37:58,370 --> 00:38:01,130
S4: deals with our heart. So, you know these different parts

741
00:38:01,130 --> 00:38:04,410
S4: of our life that we're to protect and defend. But

742
00:38:04,410 --> 00:38:08,050
S4: those those are all short of, you know, someone being,

743
00:38:08,090 --> 00:38:10,930
S4: you know, possessed by a demon lives inside of a

744
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S4: person and really controls that person. Like we read of

745
00:38:14,370 --> 00:38:17,169
S4: in the Bible, the demoniac, uh, you know, the one

746
00:38:17,170 --> 00:38:20,450
S4: with legion inside. Mary Magdalene had seven demons, you know,

747
00:38:20,489 --> 00:38:24,050
S4: come out of her before she became a believer. So,

748
00:38:24,370 --> 00:38:26,690
S4: you know, Satan and demons can have a lot of

749
00:38:26,690 --> 00:38:30,209
S4: power and influence over our lives as we allow them

750
00:38:30,210 --> 00:38:31,730
S4: to do that. And we don't put on the full

751
00:38:31,730 --> 00:38:35,210
S4: armor of God and don't avail ourselves of the resources

752
00:38:35,210 --> 00:38:37,489
S4: God has given to us. We don't resist the devil.

753
00:38:37,489 --> 00:38:40,490
S4: We don't submit ourselves to the Lord. But that's all

754
00:38:40,489 --> 00:38:43,290
S4: short of, you know, a demon coming and taking up

755
00:38:43,290 --> 00:38:46,130
S4: residence in the life of a person really totally controlling

756
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S4: that person's life.

757
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S1: I'm going to go to one that came from text

758
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S1: message doctor Mark Hitchcock. Can the enemy read our minds?

759
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S1: How much access does the enemy have?

760
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S12: Great question.

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S4: Well, that's that's one that there's a lot of difference

762
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S4: of opinion about, you know, whether the enemy knows what

763
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S4: we're thinking. Satan is not omniscient. Uh, we know that

764
00:39:03,580 --> 00:39:06,299
S4: he's a created being. The only God is omniscient. To

765
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S4: be omniscient means to know everything. And so Satan is

766
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S4: not omniscient. So I don't I don't believe that there's

767
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S4: any evidence in Scripture I can find that Satan can

768
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S4: actually read our mind. But as I said a little

769
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S4: bit earlier, you know, Satan is has been around for

770
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S4: thousands of years. He knows human behavior very well. And

771
00:39:24,340 --> 00:39:27,540
S4: obviously we say things, demons can hear what we say.

772
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S4: And so obviously we're going to be speaking and saying

773
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S4: things that are on our minds. So in that sense,

774
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S4: I think, you know, by listening to what we're saying,

775
00:39:34,620 --> 00:39:37,339
S4: by watching what we're doing, you know, demons can get

776
00:39:37,340 --> 00:39:39,419
S4: a pretty good read, I'm sure, on what's going on

777
00:39:39,420 --> 00:39:41,739
S4: inside of our mind. But I don't think that they

778
00:39:41,739 --> 00:39:44,500
S4: can exactly get in your mind and know exactly what

779
00:39:44,500 --> 00:39:47,669
S4: you're thinking, but certainly they can pick up on that

780
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:50,870
S4: just from our conversations, what we're doing and what we're

781
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:53,270
S4: thinking in our minds. And again, you know, just by

782
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:55,670
S4: watching what we do now, they're going to be able

783
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:57,310
S4: to figure out pretty much, hey, this is what this

784
00:39:57,310 --> 00:40:01,110
S4: person's thinking about. And they'll realize and they'll see again,

785
00:40:01,150 --> 00:40:04,069
S4: a kind of an entrance or a portal to be

786
00:40:04,110 --> 00:40:07,750
S4: able to, to influence us, you know, in ways that

787
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S4: aren't pleasing to God.

788
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S3: Doctor Mark Hitchcock is our expert today. We're talking about

789
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S3: spiritual warfare and taking authority over demonic powers. It's a

790
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S3: fascinating passage here, Mark, you've probably been posed this question before,

791
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:25,070
S3: Mark 929 and he said to them, this kind cannot

792
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S3: be driven out by anything but prayer. And some of

793
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S3: the gospel accounts or manuscripts say prayer and fasting are

794
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S3: my my concern for this one mark is that we

795
00:40:36,310 --> 00:40:39,910
S3: get in almost a gadget Christianity. Oh, okay. So I've

796
00:40:39,950 --> 00:40:42,989
S3: got I've got a fast. Isn't this more of an

797
00:40:42,989 --> 00:40:46,210
S3: affection and direction of our heart than it is some

798
00:40:46,210 --> 00:40:48,050
S3: gadget that we're playing with here.

799
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S4: Yeah, I know, that's right. I mean, you're fasting, I

800
00:40:51,330 --> 00:40:54,009
S4: think is brought about by our need, our dependence on

801
00:40:54,010 --> 00:40:56,689
S4: God and prayer as well. So but when he says

802
00:40:56,690 --> 00:40:58,690
S4: this kind can only be driven out. You know, there's

803
00:40:58,730 --> 00:41:01,370
S4: actually a hierarchy of demonic spirits, I think, as well.

804
00:41:01,410 --> 00:41:03,810
S4: I think that's brought out in that passage. You know,

805
00:41:03,850 --> 00:41:05,890
S4: some some of them are more powerful than others. You know,

806
00:41:05,930 --> 00:41:09,930
S4: Satan's the most powerful of all. And so there's there's

807
00:41:09,930 --> 00:41:14,130
S4: different there's different authorities and hierarchies of demonic spirits. Daniel,

808
00:41:14,130 --> 00:41:16,930
S4: chapter ten, you know, talks about a demon. He calls

809
00:41:16,930 --> 00:41:18,690
S4: him the Prince of Persia. And the other one's called

810
00:41:18,690 --> 00:41:21,650
S4: the Prince of Greece. I mean, they're they're actually, you know,

811
00:41:21,730 --> 00:41:25,810
S4: heading over entire geographic areas. So I think he's saying

812
00:41:25,810 --> 00:41:29,009
S4: this kind in other words, this this one here can

813
00:41:29,010 --> 00:41:31,290
S4: only be brought out by prayer and fasting. So that

814
00:41:31,290 --> 00:41:35,330
S4: may be that there's, you know, different degrees of, you know,

815
00:41:35,370 --> 00:41:38,049
S4: dedication and that we have to go to with the

816
00:41:38,050 --> 00:41:42,700
S4: Lord in certain situations with certain demonic spirits in our lives. But,

817
00:41:42,739 --> 00:41:44,939
S4: you know, we have all the resources that we have.

818
00:41:44,980 --> 00:41:46,940
S4: We need to avail ourselves, I think of all of

819
00:41:46,940 --> 00:41:49,299
S4: them all the time. But I agree with you. It's

820
00:41:49,300 --> 00:41:51,620
S4: not like we just go to, you know, some, you know, wrote,

821
00:41:51,660 --> 00:41:54,140
S4: you know, idea of, oh, I just read Ephesians chapter six.

822
00:41:54,140 --> 00:41:57,540
S4: We have to really put those things on in our lives.

823
00:41:57,540 --> 00:42:00,300
S4: There has to be a passion about that. But ultimately,

824
00:42:00,340 --> 00:42:02,660
S4: you know, it starts out be strong in the Lord

825
00:42:02,660 --> 00:42:03,980
S4: and in the power of his might.

826
00:42:04,260 --> 00:42:06,780
S1: Doctor Mark Hitchcock, thank you so much for that response.

827
00:42:06,820 --> 00:42:08,980
S1: I got another question that came in. Uh, how do

828
00:42:08,980 --> 00:42:12,580
S1: you interact with loved ones who have demonic anger? Uh,

829
00:42:12,580 --> 00:42:15,220
S1: loved ones in your home. And that anger is targeted

830
00:42:15,260 --> 00:42:16,140
S1: toward you?

831
00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:20,260
S4: Well, that's very difficult. You know, people get get angry spirit.

832
00:42:20,300 --> 00:42:22,420
S4: I mean, it's, you know, it's easier to conquer a city,

833
00:42:22,460 --> 00:42:25,020
S4: you know, than than deal with an angry spirit. I mean,

834
00:42:25,060 --> 00:42:27,419
S4: it's a it's a big problem in our culture today

835
00:42:27,420 --> 00:42:30,060
S4: just at large. You know, in our culture, just a

836
00:42:30,100 --> 00:42:32,500
S4: lot of people who are just very angry about all

837
00:42:32,500 --> 00:42:35,380
S4: kinds of things. Um, obviously a person who's got that

838
00:42:35,380 --> 00:42:38,779
S4: kind of anger, there's something wrong, dramatically wrong spiritually with

839
00:42:38,780 --> 00:42:41,870
S4: that person. Maybe they don't know the Lord. Um, I

840
00:42:41,870 --> 00:42:45,270
S4: think that's that's an important point. If the person does

841
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:47,549
S4: know the Lord, if they're a believer, then you can

842
00:42:47,550 --> 00:42:49,830
S4: deal with that person on a spiritual level and talk

843
00:42:49,830 --> 00:42:52,190
S4: to them about their anger and what it's doing to them.

844
00:42:52,190 --> 00:42:54,669
S4: If they if they're not a believer, then obviously that's

845
00:42:54,670 --> 00:42:57,430
S4: an entirely different situation because, you know, they don't have

846
00:42:57,430 --> 00:43:00,030
S4: the Holy Spirit living inside of them to help them

847
00:43:00,030 --> 00:43:03,830
S4: to overcome that, that angry spirit. But, you know, that's

848
00:43:03,830 --> 00:43:05,710
S4: all you can really do. I think if they're a believer,

849
00:43:05,710 --> 00:43:08,029
S4: you talk to them about what that's doing to their

850
00:43:08,030 --> 00:43:10,390
S4: heart and life and to you. But I think another

851
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:12,550
S4: thing is to be an example, you know, to be kind,

852
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:15,549
S4: to be humble. I've seen this in my own family.

853
00:43:15,830 --> 00:43:18,910
S4: I'm a person who's very angry. Um, and I saw

854
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:22,870
S4: another person who was a believer continuously respond in a

855
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:26,790
S4: very humble, very kind, a very gentle way. And I

856
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:29,150
S4: saw that change over time. It doesn't mean you have

857
00:43:29,150 --> 00:43:31,189
S4: to be a doormat and just let the person run

858
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:33,750
S4: over you, but it's kind of a resting to someone.

859
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:37,950
S4: I think when someone's angry, the Bible says a soft

860
00:43:37,950 --> 00:43:40,969
S4: answer turns away anger. A lot of people that are

861
00:43:40,969 --> 00:43:43,530
S4: angry if you don't fight back, you know it's no fun.

862
00:43:43,570 --> 00:43:46,570
S4: You know they want somebody to fight with. Be angry again.

863
00:43:46,610 --> 00:43:49,049
S4: And I think if we can respond in that kind

864
00:43:49,050 --> 00:43:51,370
S4: of way, sometimes it can kind of almost, you know,

865
00:43:51,410 --> 00:43:54,290
S4: catch their attention, like, wow, this is strange. This person's

866
00:43:54,290 --> 00:43:56,569
S4: responding this way. But we have to rely on the

867
00:43:56,570 --> 00:43:59,330
S4: Spirit of God to show us in each situation how

868
00:43:59,330 --> 00:44:02,650
S4: to respond and react to that. But, um, I'm very

869
00:44:02,650 --> 00:44:05,969
S4: sorry that's happening. That's a very difficult, uh, very difficult

870
00:44:05,969 --> 00:44:08,530
S4: situation to deal with. We have a person like that.

871
00:44:09,210 --> 00:44:13,410
S2: Standing on the rock each and every day. You're listening

872
00:44:13,450 --> 00:44:14,690
S2: to Carl and crew.

873
00:44:14,730 --> 00:44:18,130
S3: It's Carl and crew on this Freedom Friday, capping off

874
00:44:18,130 --> 00:44:21,609
S3: a whole week of ask the Experts. We have with

875
00:44:21,610 --> 00:44:26,210
S3: us today, doctor Mark Hitchcock. What an amazing thing that

876
00:44:26,210 --> 00:44:32,210
S3: we find in Scripture. We find prophecies that indicate that

877
00:44:32,210 --> 00:44:37,219
S3: the end is drawing near. Doctor Mark Hitchcock I want

878
00:44:37,260 --> 00:44:40,300
S3: to pitch one to you. My man Daniel 12, verse four.

879
00:44:40,300 --> 00:44:42,739
S3: But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the

880
00:44:42,739 --> 00:44:45,660
S3: book until the time of the end. Many shall run

881
00:44:45,660 --> 00:44:50,940
S3: to and fro, and knowledge shall increase. It would appear

882
00:44:51,060 --> 00:44:55,060
S3: that there is a forecasting here that fits hand in

883
00:44:55,060 --> 00:45:01,060
S3: glove with artificial intelligence. Do we see AI as a

884
00:45:01,580 --> 00:45:04,900
S3: sign that the times are drawing near? What's your opinion

885
00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:05,860
S3: on that mark?

886
00:45:06,780 --> 00:45:08,980
S4: Well, I certainly do. I mean, I actually think a

887
00:45:09,020 --> 00:45:11,300
S4: lot of this technology is one of the most important

888
00:45:11,300 --> 00:45:14,859
S4: signs of the end because, you know, AI and the

889
00:45:14,860 --> 00:45:19,780
S4: ability that's that's there now, present with that is astounding.

890
00:45:20,140 --> 00:45:22,620
S4: I'm not a very technological person. I'm not very good

891
00:45:22,620 --> 00:45:24,739
S4: at technology and computers. So it doesn't take a lot

892
00:45:24,739 --> 00:45:29,580
S4: to astound me. But, you know, even I mean, brilliant scientists,

893
00:45:29,620 --> 00:45:33,739
S4: I mean, even the creators of AI have warned, you know, man,

894
00:45:33,780 --> 00:45:36,830
S4: we've unleashed something here. It's kind of like the, you know,

895
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:38,950
S4: with the with the atomic bomb, you know, the people

896
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:42,030
S4: that created that. I mean, what what have we done?

897
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:44,870
S4: They've unleashed something. You know, it's almost like we're back

898
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:47,150
S4: to Babel. You know, the whole world was gathered together

899
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:50,270
S4: at Babel. God came down and said, you know, no

900
00:45:50,270 --> 00:45:52,190
S4: evil is going to be withheld from man. And so

901
00:45:52,190 --> 00:45:55,069
S4: God scattered people all over the world. And now it's

902
00:45:55,070 --> 00:45:57,830
S4: like we're back to Babel. The world's back together again,

903
00:45:58,350 --> 00:46:02,030
S4: and nothing seems to be withheld from man. The power

904
00:46:02,070 --> 00:46:05,509
S4: of AI. And you think about a coming world ruler

905
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:10,469
S4: like the Antichrist, and what the tool that AI will

906
00:46:10,469 --> 00:46:13,150
S4: be in the hands of someone like that to exert

907
00:46:13,150 --> 00:46:18,030
S4: control over people's lives. All the deception that's related to it. Um,

908
00:46:18,030 --> 00:46:19,990
S4: it's it's I think it'll be one of the main

909
00:46:19,989 --> 00:46:23,390
S4: tools of domination that'll be used. I mean, the end times,

910
00:46:23,390 --> 00:46:26,350
S4: it's it's something that's unlike anything that we've ever seen

911
00:46:26,350 --> 00:46:29,469
S4: in human history. And so I believe that it could

912
00:46:29,469 --> 00:46:31,710
S4: be one of the main things that we see that

913
00:46:31,710 --> 00:46:33,969
S4: the end is near, because I just sit back a

914
00:46:34,010 --> 00:46:36,290
S4: lot of times when I look at AI and I mean,

915
00:46:36,330 --> 00:46:39,210
S4: you know, it's smarter than the smartest person in the world.

916
00:46:39,530 --> 00:46:42,250
S4: Soon it'll be smarter than all the collective knowledge of

917
00:46:42,250 --> 00:46:43,290
S4: all humanity.

918
00:46:43,530 --> 00:46:45,450
S3: That's coming soon. By the way, Mark.

919
00:46:46,210 --> 00:46:48,210
S4: Yeah, yeah, I look at that and I think, you know,

920
00:46:48,250 --> 00:46:51,330
S4: how much longer can this world go? How much longer

921
00:46:51,330 --> 00:46:55,050
S4: will God let it go until he sends Jesus back,

922
00:46:55,090 --> 00:46:57,570
S4: you know, to to catch away his bride to heaven.

923
00:46:58,130 --> 00:47:01,730
S1: Let's go to Mary. Twin lakes, Wisconsin. Go ahead. Timely question.

924
00:47:01,730 --> 00:47:04,090
S1: Given that statement. Go ahead, Mary, with your question.

925
00:47:05,290 --> 00:47:08,410
S13: Thank you. Um, a lot of people have different opinions

926
00:47:08,410 --> 00:47:12,330
S13: about the tribulation or the rapture. And I hear pre

927
00:47:13,330 --> 00:47:16,569
S13: or post, I just wanted to get your take. I

928
00:47:16,570 --> 00:47:20,570
S13: personally believe pre. Um, but you know I've heard evidence

929
00:47:20,570 --> 00:47:21,250
S13: for others.

930
00:47:22,610 --> 00:47:24,850
S4: Yeah. You know that's a great question. I'll answer it

931
00:47:24,850 --> 00:47:26,529
S4: here in just a few minutes. But you're right. You know,

932
00:47:26,570 --> 00:47:29,970
S4: when it comes to the future time of tribulation, there's,

933
00:47:30,010 --> 00:47:32,819
S4: there's there's actually 4 or 5 different views, but three

934
00:47:32,820 --> 00:47:37,979
S4: main ones pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib. Obviously, you know, pre-trib things

935
00:47:37,980 --> 00:47:42,739
S4: will be raptured before the tribulation starts. Pre mid-tribulation mid

936
00:47:42,780 --> 00:47:45,060
S4: tribulation is believed that we'll be raptured at the middle

937
00:47:45,060 --> 00:47:48,340
S4: of the tribulation. And the post-trib view is that really

938
00:47:48,340 --> 00:47:50,860
S4: the return of Jesus back to earth and the rapture

939
00:47:50,860 --> 00:47:52,739
S4: is kind of the same event. You know, at the

940
00:47:52,739 --> 00:47:55,100
S4: end of the at the end of the tribulation period.

941
00:47:55,420 --> 00:47:57,779
S4: Now I hold to the Pre-tribulation view. And again, I

942
00:47:57,780 --> 00:47:59,420
S4: always like to say to people, you know, this is

943
00:47:59,420 --> 00:48:01,299
S4: something that we don't want to argue or fight with

944
00:48:01,300 --> 00:48:04,100
S4: other Christians about. It's, you know, you can be a

945
00:48:04,100 --> 00:48:07,500
S4: wonderful believer and hold any of these views. Um, all

946
00:48:07,540 --> 00:48:10,660
S4: the views, though, hold that we're not going to be here.

947
00:48:10,660 --> 00:48:13,779
S4: We're not subject to God's wrath. The tribulation is a

948
00:48:13,780 --> 00:48:16,339
S4: time of wrath. All the views hold that we're not

949
00:48:16,340 --> 00:48:18,500
S4: appointed to wrath, because the Bible says that in first

950
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:22,380
S4: Thessalonians 110, we're going to be delivered from the wrath. Uh,

951
00:48:22,380 --> 00:48:26,020
S4: first Thessalonians five nine we're not appointed to wrath, but

952
00:48:26,020 --> 00:48:29,219
S4: Pre-Trib believes the whole seven years is wrath, so we're

953
00:48:29,219 --> 00:48:32,109
S4: going to be raptured before it. The mid-trib say, well,

954
00:48:32,110 --> 00:48:34,790
S4: only the last half of the tribulation is God's wrath.

955
00:48:34,830 --> 00:48:36,830
S4: We're going to be, you know, caught up before that

956
00:48:36,830 --> 00:48:39,629
S4: Post-trib believe that the wrath is kind of confined to

957
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:42,390
S4: the end of the tribulation, will be kept through that

958
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:45,069
S4: period of time, and then the Lord will come for us.

959
00:48:45,070 --> 00:48:47,350
S4: So it just depends on your view of how much

960
00:48:47,350 --> 00:48:50,430
S4: of the tribulation wrath. I think the whole time period

961
00:48:50,430 --> 00:48:52,950
S4: is the wrath of God, because the seal judgments are

962
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:56,469
S4: opened and and by the lamb by Jesus. And so

963
00:48:56,469 --> 00:48:59,109
S4: I think the whole time period is God's wrath. And

964
00:48:59,110 --> 00:49:00,950
S4: I think we're going to be kept from that, that

965
00:49:00,950 --> 00:49:03,670
S4: time of testing that's coming up on the whole world

966
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:07,430
S4: to judge the earth dwellers. And I, um, you know, 11.

967
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:11,830
S4: about pre-trib only the pre-trib view believes in what's called imminency,

968
00:49:12,190 --> 00:49:14,590
S4: that is that Jesus could come at any moment because,

969
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:16,750
S4: you know, if you're mid-trib, we're going to have to

970
00:49:16,750 --> 00:49:19,270
S4: go through half the tribulation before he can come back.

971
00:49:19,310 --> 00:49:21,670
S4: If it's if you're post-trib, we're have to go through

972
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:24,589
S4: the tribulation until he can come back and we're not

973
00:49:24,590 --> 00:49:27,509
S4: even in the tribulation yet. And I love the idea

974
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:30,690
S4: of the pre-tribulation view, where I get up every day

975
00:49:30,690 --> 00:49:33,210
S4: and I think to myself, perhaps today, you know, today

976
00:49:33,250 --> 00:49:35,489
S4: might be the day that Jesus comes and that really

977
00:49:35,489 --> 00:49:38,089
S4: has an impact on the way that I live. And

978
00:49:38,090 --> 00:49:40,690
S4: so I hold to that. And it's a it's a

979
00:49:40,690 --> 00:49:44,730
S4: complicated issue. You know, I've written written entire books on that. So, um,

980
00:49:44,730 --> 00:49:47,089
S4: but that's just a little, little thumbnail of that that

981
00:49:47,090 --> 00:49:48,250
S4: I hope will be encouraged.

982
00:49:48,450 --> 00:49:50,609
S3: You know, what I love about your spirit, Mark, is

983
00:49:50,610 --> 00:49:54,450
S3: that there are so many good thinkers on every side

984
00:49:54,450 --> 00:49:56,650
S3: of the issue of the rapture. I mean, you've got

985
00:49:56,650 --> 00:50:01,089
S3: Sam Storms, Wayne Grudem, John Piper, you've got Watchman Nee.

986
00:50:01,130 --> 00:50:04,050
S3: They were post or post trib or were they passed

987
00:50:04,050 --> 00:50:07,770
S3: on like watchman. Um, and there's good thinkers on both sides.

988
00:50:08,530 --> 00:50:12,370
S3: It's important that we not divide fellowship over this or

989
00:50:12,370 --> 00:50:14,730
S3: get argumentative, wouldn't you say, Mark?

990
00:50:15,489 --> 00:50:18,290
S4: Sure. No, it's it's it's a thing to look forward to.

991
00:50:18,330 --> 00:50:21,290
S4: It's our hope. And, you know, whatever our view is

992
00:50:21,290 --> 00:50:24,930
S4: on that, all believers, all Christians believe that Jesus is

993
00:50:24,930 --> 00:50:28,060
S4: coming back. We believe there's going to be a resurrection

994
00:50:28,100 --> 00:50:31,500
S4: of the living and of those who've died. There's going

995
00:50:31,540 --> 00:50:34,100
S4: to be a final judgment, and there's a literal heaven

996
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:36,580
S4: and hell. Those are kind of the four pillars of

997
00:50:36,580 --> 00:50:39,819
S4: our eschatology. He's coming back. There's going to be a resurrection.

998
00:50:39,820 --> 00:50:43,060
S4: There's a final judgment. There's a and we and there's

999
00:50:43,100 --> 00:50:45,420
S4: a real heaven and hell. We kind of we debate

1000
00:50:45,460 --> 00:50:49,980
S4: the the lesser issues around those main pillars. Unlike a

1001
00:50:50,020 --> 00:50:52,220
S4: lot of other things, you know, people debate, you know, the,

1002
00:50:52,219 --> 00:50:54,540
S4: the mode of baptism or, you know, how we do

1003
00:50:54,540 --> 00:50:57,140
S4: the Lord's Supper. There's all kinds of things. But we

1004
00:50:57,180 --> 00:51:00,339
S4: got to give people latitude. Good people disagree on some

1005
00:51:00,340 --> 00:51:03,100
S4: of these things. And but I, you know, for myself,

1006
00:51:03,100 --> 00:51:05,219
S4: I just want to be a charitable. I want to

1007
00:51:05,260 --> 00:51:07,819
S4: I want to focus on the coming of Christ. If

1008
00:51:07,820 --> 00:51:10,339
S4: someone disagrees with me on the timing of it, but

1009
00:51:10,340 --> 00:51:12,939
S4: they agree he's coming back, then we're good.

1010
00:51:13,060 --> 00:51:17,580
S3: We want we can break bread then. Okay, more questions

1011
00:51:17,580 --> 00:51:21,420
S3: with doctor Mark Hitchcock. And we're shifting gears here just

1012
00:51:21,420 --> 00:51:23,140
S3: a little bit. As a matter of fact, coming up,

1013
00:51:23,140 --> 00:51:26,590
S3: I want to drill down on Daniel seven. What's going on?

1014
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:29,469
S3: The little horn. He's going to come out of obscurity,

1015
00:51:29,469 --> 00:51:33,870
S3: and he will ultimately be unveiled as the Antichrist. What's

1016
00:51:33,870 --> 00:51:37,950
S3: happening there? And how can we even prepare ourselves today?

1017
00:51:37,950 --> 00:51:40,270
S3: How should we live in light of the fact that

1018
00:51:40,270 --> 00:51:42,910
S3: it appears that the end is near?

1019
00:51:43,989 --> 00:51:48,230
S2: You've got questions. They've got answers. It's Ask the Experts

1020
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:49,710
S2: week with Carl and crew.

1021
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:52,830
S3: What a joy. Doctor Mark Hitchcock with us here. And

1022
00:51:52,830 --> 00:51:56,350
S3: we are shifting gears from general spiritual war and demonic

1023
00:51:56,350 --> 00:52:00,990
S3: activity to the ultimate showdown when the end will come. Uh.

1024
00:52:00,989 --> 00:52:04,230
S3: It's interesting, Mark, we live in a time right now

1025
00:52:04,270 --> 00:52:08,310
S3: that there appears to be approaching hoof beats, and we

1026
00:52:08,310 --> 00:52:13,270
S3: look in Daniel and we see prophetic calling of, uh, the,

1027
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:16,550
S3: the church to be aware of these prophecies, that there

1028
00:52:16,550 --> 00:52:21,189
S3: will arise a leader who will be a peacemaker. There

1029
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:23,730
S3: will be no peace until the Prince of Peace comes

1030
00:52:23,730 --> 00:52:26,890
S3: in Israel and in the Middle East. But until that time,

1031
00:52:26,890 --> 00:52:29,370
S3: there will be empty promises. There will be a spirit

1032
00:52:29,370 --> 00:52:33,529
S3: of Antichrist and then the ultimate Antichrist. What do you see?

1033
00:52:33,570 --> 00:52:37,450
S3: I have a couple of questions with regard to Daniel seven. Generally,

1034
00:52:37,450 --> 00:52:42,850
S3: in prophecy, we don't see America as a superpower that

1035
00:52:42,850 --> 00:52:46,450
S3: we are. Either we have become incredibly dovish or we've

1036
00:52:46,489 --> 00:52:50,410
S3: ceased to become this superpower. What's your take on America's

1037
00:52:50,410 --> 00:52:51,890
S3: role in the end?

1038
00:52:53,330 --> 00:52:56,210
S4: Well, you know, I think America is not mentioned in prophecy.

1039
00:52:56,250 --> 00:53:00,009
S4: Certainly the words America, United States don't appear in the Bible.

1040
00:53:00,050 --> 00:53:02,410
S4: Everybody would agree on that. A lot of people try

1041
00:53:02,410 --> 00:53:05,049
S4: to find America in some kind of veiled reference. You know,

1042
00:53:05,050 --> 00:53:09,090
S4: they'll think America is the unnamed nation like in Isaiah 18, or,

1043
00:53:09,210 --> 00:53:11,450
S4: you know, where the ten lost tribes of Israel or

1044
00:53:11,489 --> 00:53:16,450
S4: America's Babylon the Great in revelation 17 and 18. I

1045
00:53:16,450 --> 00:53:18,729
S4: don't I don't think any of those are, you know,

1046
00:53:18,770 --> 00:53:21,700
S4: some kind of veiled, you know, symbolic reference to America.

1047
00:53:21,700 --> 00:53:24,299
S4: So I just think America is not mentioned. Now some

1048
00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:25,900
S4: people will say, well, you know, a lot of nations

1049
00:53:25,900 --> 00:53:28,100
S4: aren't mentioned in the Bible. You know, Canada is not

1050
00:53:28,100 --> 00:53:31,339
S4: mentioned or, you know, other places. So, you know, why

1051
00:53:31,340 --> 00:53:33,700
S4: would we be mentioned? But, you know, if we are

1052
00:53:33,739 --> 00:53:37,020
S4: the great power that we are today in the world,

1053
00:53:37,020 --> 00:53:38,859
S4: you'd think that we would be mentioned because, you know,

1054
00:53:38,900 --> 00:53:41,740
S4: the Bible does mention places like, uh, I believe Russia's

1055
00:53:41,739 --> 00:53:44,860
S4: mentioned in the Bible, and I believe Turkey is mentioned.

1056
00:53:44,860 --> 00:53:48,980
S4: Iran is mentioned under different names. Their ancient names. Um,

1057
00:53:49,020 --> 00:53:50,779
S4: so I think, you know, God could have made some

1058
00:53:50,780 --> 00:53:53,540
S4: reference somehow to the United States. So to me, that

1059
00:53:53,540 --> 00:53:58,260
S4: indicates that something must happen to the United States, and

1060
00:53:58,300 --> 00:54:01,100
S4: that makes us kind of a second rate power. And

1061
00:54:01,100 --> 00:54:02,580
S4: you say, well, what would that be? Well, there's a

1062
00:54:02,620 --> 00:54:04,980
S4: lot of plausible scenarios. We could have some kind of

1063
00:54:05,020 --> 00:54:07,779
S4: nuclear nine over 11, you know, God forbid, you know,

1064
00:54:07,820 --> 00:54:11,299
S4: an economic implosion. I mean, we've got 33 trillion in

1065
00:54:11,300 --> 00:54:14,660
S4: debt and counting. Um, just we could collapse under the

1066
00:54:14,660 --> 00:54:17,339
S4: weight of our own, uh, immorality. I mean, you read

1067
00:54:17,340 --> 00:54:20,990
S4: Romans chapter one. You know, God gives people up eventually.

1068
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:22,830
S4: You know, when they when they turn away from him.

1069
00:54:22,830 --> 00:54:24,950
S4: But you know, another possibility. And again, this goes back

1070
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:28,230
S4: to our other conversation. It could be the rapture. I mean,

1071
00:54:28,270 --> 00:54:31,430
S4: if the rapture were to take place today, about about 8%

1072
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:35,350
S4: of the people in America are give the right answers

1073
00:54:35,350 --> 00:54:37,710
S4: to questions about how to become a Christian. I mean,

1074
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:40,069
S4: that would be, you know, 30 million people that would

1075
00:54:40,070 --> 00:54:42,230
S4: disappear in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye.

1076
00:54:42,350 --> 00:54:44,870
S4: All the salt and light extracted. Now, you know, the

1077
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:47,950
S4: other other nations would lose believers as well. But you

1078
00:54:47,950 --> 00:54:50,710
S4: go to Europe today. It's less than 1%. You know,

1079
00:54:50,750 --> 00:54:52,990
S4: some places in the Middle East, it's, you know, some

1080
00:54:52,989 --> 00:54:56,190
S4: fraction of a percent the people that are believers. So

1081
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S4: that could be another explanation.

1082
00:54:58,830 --> 00:55:00,310
S3: That's plausible. Yeah.

1083
00:55:01,230 --> 00:55:04,150
S4: That could be an explanation for why we're not mentioning

1084
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:07,830
S4: why we become kind of a, you know, a non non-factor.

1085
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S1: Doctor Mark Hitchcock, our guest this morning. You know, oftentimes

1086
00:55:11,550 --> 00:55:15,950
S1: when there are major natural disasters, you see a major

1087
00:55:15,950 --> 00:55:19,969
S1: tsunami or an earthquake or something that captivates the attention,

1088
00:55:19,969 --> 00:55:23,649
S1: the hearts of people. Oftentimes there's questions does this is

1089
00:55:23,650 --> 00:55:27,330
S1: this a sign? What's the best way to interpret current

1090
00:55:27,330 --> 00:55:30,410
S1: events in light of biblical prophecy?

1091
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S4: Well, you know, there's two two extremes, I think to

1092
00:55:33,610 --> 00:55:36,009
S4: that one is skepticism. You know, when people see some

1093
00:55:36,010 --> 00:55:39,330
S4: people see nothing as a sign, basically, um, you know,

1094
00:55:39,370 --> 00:55:42,410
S4: that there's no signs at all. And I think that's that's,

1095
00:55:42,450 --> 00:55:46,210
S4: you know, Jesus gave signs in Matthew 24. Um, but

1096
00:55:46,210 --> 00:55:49,009
S4: I think the other extreme is sensationalism. Some people see

1097
00:55:49,010 --> 00:55:51,129
S4: everything as a sign. And I always like to say,

1098
00:55:51,130 --> 00:55:54,450
S4: when everything's a sign, nothing's a sign. You know, just

1099
00:55:54,489 --> 00:55:57,410
S4: every everything that happens is some big dramatic sign. And

1100
00:55:57,410 --> 00:55:59,129
S4: I think it gets to be like the boy that

1101
00:55:59,130 --> 00:56:02,250
S4: cried wolf if we're not careful. But there are legitimate signs,

1102
00:56:02,290 --> 00:56:05,090
S4: you know, Israel is back in the land. Um, you know,

1103
00:56:05,170 --> 00:56:08,690
S4: they were gone for, for for, you know, 2000 years

1104
00:56:08,730 --> 00:56:12,529
S4: scattered to 70 different countries. And they're back there. It's

1105
00:56:12,530 --> 00:56:15,299
S4: the miracle on the Mediterranean, you know, 6% of the

1106
00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:19,460
S4: Jews were in Israel back in 1948. Today, almost half

1107
00:56:19,460 --> 00:56:21,899
S4: of the Jews in the world live in Israel. So that,

1108
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:24,300
S4: I think, is the super sign of the end times,

1109
00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:29,620
S4: because so many other prophecies hinge on the Jewish people

1110
00:56:29,660 --> 00:56:32,060
S4: being present in their land. That's a massive sign. I

1111
00:56:32,060 --> 00:56:35,060
S4: think that, to me, is undeniable. It's a miracle that

1112
00:56:35,060 --> 00:56:37,860
S4: they're back there and they're in the news every day

1113
00:56:38,180 --> 00:56:40,420
S4: and there's other signs. But to me, that's the big

1114
00:56:40,420 --> 00:56:42,500
S4: one that we see today that really all the other

1115
00:56:42,500 --> 00:56:44,299
S4: prophecies kind of revolve around.

1116
00:56:45,300 --> 00:56:49,780
S2: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to Carl and crew.

1117
00:56:50,020 --> 00:56:53,380
S3: Doctor Mark Hitchcock is our guest right now. Okay, Mark,

1118
00:56:53,739 --> 00:56:57,140
S3: not a generation will pass post the budding of the

1119
00:56:57,140 --> 00:57:01,020
S3: fig tree, and the end will come. What is that

1120
00:57:01,020 --> 00:57:03,779
S3: in reference to? Say, you. It's been debated.

1121
00:57:04,380 --> 00:57:06,380
S4: Well, yeah. A lot of people take the budding of

1122
00:57:06,380 --> 00:57:09,260
S4: the fig tree to be the recreation of the modern

1123
00:57:09,260 --> 00:57:12,340
S4: state of Israel in 1948, because, you know, the olive

1124
00:57:12,380 --> 00:57:15,310
S4: tree is a picture of Israel in the Old Testament.

1125
00:57:15,350 --> 00:57:17,230
S4: The problem with that is, you know, how long is

1126
00:57:17,230 --> 00:57:20,070
S4: a generation? It says, you know, the generation won't pass

1127
00:57:20,270 --> 00:57:23,190
S4: until the fig tree begins to the fig tree begins

1128
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:25,870
S4: to to bud. I said a minute ago, olive tree

1129
00:57:25,870 --> 00:57:28,390
S4: is a picture of his home in a fig tree. Um,

1130
00:57:28,430 --> 00:57:31,110
S4: but until it begins to bud. Um. But the problem is,

1131
00:57:31,110 --> 00:57:32,910
S4: how long is the generation? You know, people said, well,

1132
00:57:32,910 --> 00:57:35,630
S4: Jesus has to come by 1988, you know, because that's

1133
00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:38,230
S4: a generation of 40 years. They said, well, now wait

1134
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:42,110
S4: a minute, maybe a generation, 60 years. Now people are saying, well, generations,

1135
00:57:42,110 --> 00:57:44,830
S4: 80 years. Well, eventually you're going to run out of time.

1136
00:57:44,990 --> 00:57:48,870
S4: I think what it simply is in Matthew 24, Jesus

1137
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:52,750
S4: gives all these signs and he says, when, when, when

1138
00:57:52,750 --> 00:57:56,030
S4: you begin to see all these things, know that his

1139
00:57:56,030 --> 00:57:58,630
S4: coming is near. And so I think that's going to

1140
00:57:58,630 --> 00:58:01,950
S4: be during the tribulation period. All those signs are going

1141
00:58:01,990 --> 00:58:05,790
S4: to just proliferate unbelievably. And he's saying the generation during

1142
00:58:05,790 --> 00:58:10,230
S4: the tribulation period that sees those signs that generation will

1143
00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:13,850
S4: not pass away until all those things are fulfilled. So

1144
00:58:14,050 --> 00:58:16,410
S4: I don't think we want to be looking at, you know, 1948,

1145
00:58:16,410 --> 00:58:19,210
S4: in Israel and saying, oh, it's the countdown from there,

1146
00:58:19,250 --> 00:58:21,610
S4: you know, how long is a generation? He's saying the

1147
00:58:21,610 --> 00:58:24,370
S4: generation that sees these things in the end times, in

1148
00:58:24,410 --> 00:58:27,730
S4: the in the tribulation, that generation will not pass away.

1149
00:58:27,770 --> 00:58:30,650
S4: It'll be like a fig tree beginning to blossom, showing

1150
00:58:30,690 --> 00:58:33,450
S4: that summer is near. It'll be showing that the coming

1151
00:58:33,450 --> 00:58:34,850
S4: of Christ is near.

1152
00:58:35,450 --> 00:58:39,130
S1: A question from a concerned adult child who says, my

1153
00:58:39,130 --> 00:58:42,169
S1: dad's pastor is teaching that the tribulation and the mark

1154
00:58:42,170 --> 00:58:45,490
S1: of the beast have already happened in Jesus's time. How

1155
00:58:45,490 --> 00:58:48,330
S1: can we explain to him it hasn't happened yet? A

1156
00:58:48,370 --> 00:58:50,209
S1: lot of questions around the Mark of the beast maybe

1157
00:58:50,210 --> 00:58:51,410
S1: speak to that more generally.

1158
00:58:52,850 --> 00:58:55,210
S4: Yeah, there's a lot of people that believe in Nero.

1159
00:58:55,250 --> 00:58:57,250
S4: You know, back in the first century was, you know,

1160
00:58:57,250 --> 00:58:58,770
S4: that was the mark of the beast and he was

1161
00:58:58,770 --> 00:59:02,010
S4: the Antichrist and all of that. But the Bible tells

1162
00:59:02,010 --> 00:59:04,090
S4: us that there's going to be a great world ruler,

1163
00:59:04,090 --> 00:59:06,890
S4: a great political ruler that's going to come, come on

1164
00:59:06,930 --> 00:59:09,250
S4: the scene in the end times, and he's going to

1165
00:59:09,250 --> 00:59:11,900
S4: rule the whole world. In revelation 13, I call that

1166
00:59:11,900 --> 00:59:14,460
S4: the Antichrist chapter of the Bible. It's kind of the

1167
00:59:14,460 --> 00:59:17,540
S4: the most concentrated chapter that gives us more information about

1168
00:59:17,540 --> 00:59:19,940
S4: this coming world ruler, but it tells us he's going

1169
00:59:19,980 --> 00:59:23,860
S4: to rule the world politically, economically and religiously. And one

1170
00:59:23,860 --> 00:59:25,460
S4: of the things he's going to do with the help

1171
00:59:25,460 --> 00:59:28,500
S4: of his henchmen, the false prophet, he's going to have

1172
00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:30,540
S4: everybody in the world's going to have to take a mark.

1173
00:59:31,060 --> 00:59:33,060
S4: And that mark is going to be the kind of

1174
00:59:33,100 --> 00:59:36,780
S4: the passport to to trade and to be able to

1175
00:59:36,820 --> 00:59:39,380
S4: be involved in the world economy. So he's going to

1176
00:59:39,380 --> 00:59:41,540
S4: control the world economy. And probably to do that, he's

1177
00:59:41,540 --> 00:59:43,460
S4: going to use some kind of, you know, there's going

1178
00:59:43,500 --> 00:59:45,740
S4: to be some kind of digital currency where you can

1179
00:59:45,740 --> 00:59:49,300
S4: control all the people's spending. And we see that that

1180
00:59:49,300 --> 00:59:52,660
S4: in place today where that can happen. But nothing like

1181
00:59:52,660 --> 00:59:54,540
S4: the mark's ever happen is this people are going to

1182
00:59:54,540 --> 00:59:56,260
S4: have to take the mark on the right hand or

1183
00:59:56,260 --> 00:59:59,220
S4: the forehead. It's the number six, six, six, which is

1184
00:59:59,220 --> 01:00:02,979
S4: the numerical value of the Antichrist name. So in other words,

1185
01:00:02,980 --> 01:00:06,380
S4: people will literally be taking the name of the Antichrist

1186
01:00:06,420 --> 01:00:08,470
S4: on the right hand or their forehead. In other words,

1187
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:10,870
S4: you're going to be pledging their loyalty and their allegiance

1188
01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:13,630
S4: to him. You're going to be rejecting Christ. They're going

1189
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:16,470
S4: to be accepting the Antichrist. And that will allow them

1190
01:00:16,470 --> 01:00:20,470
S4: then to participate in the world economy so that that

1191
01:00:20,470 --> 01:00:22,830
S4: future time of the tribulation is going to be unlike

1192
01:00:22,830 --> 01:00:25,550
S4: any time in history. It's going to be a time

1193
01:00:25,550 --> 01:00:27,229
S4: when people are going to have to clearly make this

1194
01:00:27,230 --> 01:00:30,950
S4: choice between Christ or the Antichrist that is going to.

1195
01:00:30,990 --> 01:00:33,830
S4: It just shows us that the amount of power that

1196
01:00:33,830 --> 01:00:36,790
S4: he's going to be able to amass to himself during

1197
01:00:36,790 --> 01:00:38,710
S4: the end time, he's going to control it all. He'll

1198
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:40,830
S4: control the whole world during that period of time. But

1199
01:00:40,830 --> 01:00:43,670
S4: nothing we see today is that we're not in the

1200
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:47,390
S4: tribulation period yet. The Antichrist hasn't risen, so we don't

1201
01:00:47,390 --> 01:00:50,070
S4: need to be afraid that, you know, some Social Security

1202
01:00:50,070 --> 01:00:53,110
S4: card or a national ID card or something like that

1203
01:00:53,150 --> 01:00:54,790
S4: knows the mark of the beast. It's going to be

1204
01:00:54,790 --> 01:00:57,350
S4: clear whenever that whenever that takes place.

1205
01:00:57,950 --> 01:01:00,270
S3: You know, I'm old enough to remember, Mark, when people

1206
01:01:00,270 --> 01:01:03,190
S3: were trying to predict who the Antichrist was. I don't

1207
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:05,470
S3: even want to get into the speculation, but it turned

1208
01:01:05,470 --> 01:01:10,130
S3: out to be nonsense. Now, if we look at Daniel seven,

1209
01:01:10,130 --> 01:01:12,730
S3: we see a prediction that this little horn will rise

1210
01:01:12,730 --> 01:01:17,130
S3: up and ultimately be known as the Antichrist. But he

1211
01:01:17,130 --> 01:01:23,730
S3: comes out of obscurity and he, by definition, doesn't appear strong.

1212
01:01:23,770 --> 01:01:28,610
S3: Now he must be swashbuckling, clear, silver tongued in a sense,

1213
01:01:28,610 --> 01:01:32,570
S3: probably very good looking. But this leader will ultimately manifest

1214
01:01:32,570 --> 01:01:37,130
S3: as the Antichrist. Why is it important for Christians to

1215
01:01:37,170 --> 01:01:42,610
S3: not focus on who is it rather than our King? Eternal?

1216
01:01:44,010 --> 01:01:45,890
S4: Amen. Yeah. Well, I always like to say, you know,

1217
01:01:45,890 --> 01:01:49,130
S4: we're not looking for Antichrist. We're looking for Christ. And

1218
01:01:49,130 --> 01:01:52,090
S4: we're never to be focused on on the coming Antichrist.

1219
01:01:52,130 --> 01:01:54,170
S4: What he's going to do. Now, there are about 100

1220
01:01:54,170 --> 01:01:56,850
S4: passages in the Bible that deal with the Antichrist. So

1221
01:01:56,850 --> 01:01:58,730
S4: if God wants us to know about him, so it's

1222
01:01:58,730 --> 01:02:02,050
S4: a subject we should be interested in, but we don't

1223
01:02:02,050 --> 01:02:05,020
S4: want to become obsessed with that or Or absorbed in that.

1224
01:02:05,060 --> 01:02:07,140
S4: You mentioned earlier that people, you know, predict who the

1225
01:02:07,180 --> 01:02:10,420
S4: Antichrist is. It's like people predicting when Jesus is coming back.

1226
01:02:10,740 --> 01:02:13,180
S4: I always say if somebody predicts the time he's coming back,

1227
01:02:13,180 --> 01:02:16,420
S4: you can be sure that's not the time he's coming back. Um,

1228
01:02:16,460 --> 01:02:18,660
S4: if somebody predicts who the Antichrist is, it's not the

1229
01:02:18,660 --> 01:02:22,459
S4: person because it says in Daniel seven he's a little horn,

1230
01:02:22,460 --> 01:02:25,660
S4: so he's going to rise very insignificantly and just kind

1231
01:02:25,660 --> 01:02:29,060
S4: of burst on the scene. So anyone that someone sees

1232
01:02:29,060 --> 01:02:32,540
S4: today who's a well-known person out there, that person's not

1233
01:02:32,540 --> 01:02:35,420
S4: the Antichrist, he's a little horn and he's going to

1234
01:02:35,420 --> 01:02:38,460
S4: come and just kind of just be catapulted very quickly

1235
01:02:38,820 --> 01:02:42,300
S4: onto the world scene by Satan. So we don't want

1236
01:02:42,300 --> 01:02:44,780
S4: to engage in all that kind of speculation that God

1237
01:02:44,780 --> 01:02:48,260
S4: didn't give us Bible prophecy. I always like to say

1238
01:02:48,260 --> 01:02:50,620
S4: to scare us, but to prepare us, he didn't give

1239
01:02:50,620 --> 01:02:52,780
S4: it to us, to make us anxious, but to make

1240
01:02:52,780 --> 01:02:56,940
S4: us aware and anticipating the coming of Christ. So God

1241
01:02:56,940 --> 01:02:59,100
S4: shared these things with us because he wants us to

1242
01:02:59,100 --> 01:03:02,140
S4: know what's coming. We're his children or we're his friends,

1243
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,040
S4: I mean, he wants us to know what's coming to

1244
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,320
S4: this world, but he doesn't want us to be so

1245
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,480
S4: absorbed with that and focused on these minute details that

1246
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,920
S4: we lose the big picture of who he is, that

1247
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:13,720
S4: he's coming back, and how we need to be living

1248
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:15,000
S4: for him. In the meantime.

1249
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,680
S1: If you want a resource we have available for you,

1250
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1251
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:25,400
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1252
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:30,840
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1253
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1254
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1255
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:42,040
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1256
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:43,880
S2: and crew on Moody Radio.

1257
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,840
S1: To ask the expert week here on this Freedom Friday.

1258
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,640
S1: Carl and crew going back to the phone lines. Misty,

1259
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:53,400
S1: first time caller from Chicago. Go ahead with your question.

1260
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:58,480
S14: So my question is, what will happen to the souls

1261
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,850
S14: of Jewish people who don't believe that Jesus Christ is

1262
01:04:01,850 --> 01:04:03,090
S14: the Son of God our Savior.

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S4: Yeah, well, that's a that's a sobering question. Yes. Um,

1264
01:04:07,650 --> 01:04:11,690
S4: there'll be lost, like all people, you know, Gentiles and Jews.

1265
01:04:12,370 --> 01:04:16,170
S4: The Jewish people, you have a special place in God's program. Um,

1266
01:04:16,170 --> 01:04:17,810
S4: but they have to put their faith in him. That

1267
01:04:17,810 --> 01:04:20,010
S4: was true even in the Old Testament. You know, there

1268
01:04:20,010 --> 01:04:22,290
S4: were Jewish people back in the Old Testament who were lost.

1269
01:04:22,330 --> 01:04:25,530
S4: You know, the people who revolted against Moses in the wilderness,

1270
01:04:25,570 --> 01:04:27,930
S4: you know, the Korah and Dathan and Abiram, you know,

1271
01:04:27,970 --> 01:04:31,130
S4: these people who revolted against God. Um, you're just being

1272
01:04:31,130 --> 01:04:33,810
S4: a Jew in the Old Testament. Didn't get one to heaven.

1273
01:04:34,090 --> 01:04:37,169
S4: You had to offer the sacrifice of praise, the Psalm says,

1274
01:04:37,170 --> 01:04:40,290
S4: and trust in the Lord. So since the very beginning

1275
01:04:40,290 --> 01:04:43,930
S4: with Abraham, go back to Genesis chapter 15, says Abraham.

1276
01:04:43,970 --> 01:04:45,610
S4: Of course he's the father of the Jewish people. It

1277
01:04:45,610 --> 01:04:48,689
S4: says Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him

1278
01:04:48,690 --> 01:04:51,970
S4: as righteousness. So Abraham had to believe in God and

1279
01:04:51,970 --> 01:04:55,090
S4: put his faith and trust and hope in him. And

1280
01:04:55,130 --> 01:04:57,330
S4: of course, ultimately we put our hope and trust now

1281
01:04:57,330 --> 01:04:59,300
S4: in Jesus, the Messiah, the Messiah, the one whom God

1282
01:04:59,300 --> 01:05:01,380
S4: has sent. Um, that's why we need to get the

1283
01:05:01,420 --> 01:05:03,300
S4: gospel out. You know, the Bible says we go to

1284
01:05:03,300 --> 01:05:05,860
S4: the Jew first and to the to the Gentile. Uh,

1285
01:05:05,860 --> 01:05:07,780
S4: we need to get the gospel out to everybody, because

1286
01:05:07,780 --> 01:05:09,939
S4: people who don't hear the gospel are lost or don't

1287
01:05:09,940 --> 01:05:13,220
S4: hear the gospel and believe it are lost. And, uh,

1288
01:05:13,220 --> 01:05:16,100
S4: that's certainly a burden on our hearts to know that.

1289
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S1: Doctor Mark Hitchcock, our guest this morning. If you want

1290
01:05:19,620 --> 01:05:25,060
S1: to resource, just text Faith to 800 555 7898. Text

1291
01:05:25,060 --> 01:05:30,380
S1: Faith to 800 555 7898. Coming up, we'll tackle this

1292
01:05:30,380 --> 01:05:33,100
S1: question that came in by text message. Will there be

1293
01:05:33,100 --> 01:05:35,620
S1: an opportunity for those who were not part of the

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S1: rapture to still be saved? More coming up.

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S2: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

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S3: Let's try to cram £10 of taters into a £2 sack.

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S3: Getting a final few questions in for doctor Mark Hitchcock here. Ali,

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S3: take it away.

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S1: This one came in by text message. Will there be

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S1: an opportunity for those who were not part of the

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S1: rapture to be saved. What do you say?

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S4: Well, yeah, I believe so. You know, some people use

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S4: a passage in Second Thessalonians chapter two that to use

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S4: the idea that if someone hears the gospel clearly and

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S4: rejects it during this time, the rapture takes place, they're

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S4: left behind that they can't be saved. I don't think

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S4: that's what that passage is saying. I think it's referring

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S4: to people during the tribulation period who reject, reject Jesus.

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S4: So I think people have the opportunity to be saved.

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S4: You know, in revelation seven, there's a group of people

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S4: that you can't count who are saved. I think the

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S4: rapture may be one of the greatest evangelistic tools in

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S4: human history. And you think about people disappearing all over

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S4: the world. I mean, you know, people are going to

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S4: be fleeing, I think, to Jesus Christ. And so I

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S4: think many, many people will come to Christ. Now, as

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S4: I say, that I don't want people to think, well, okay,

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S4: then I'll just wait till after the rapture to get saved.

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S4: Because first of all, you may not live till the

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S4: time of the rapture. None of us know how long

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S4: we're going to live. And the other thing is, it's

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S4: not going to get easier to be saved after the rapture.

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S4: It's going to get harder. So it's a lot easier

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S4: to get saved now than it's ever going to be

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S4: at any time. So don't use that as an excuse. Well, hey,

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S4: I'll just wait and see what happens. Um, obviously you

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S4: could die before that time. None of us knows how

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S4: long we're going to live, and, uh, it's not going

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S4: to get easier. So now is the easiest time to

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S4: be saved. It's the best time to be saved. So

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S4: if you don't know the Lord today, certainly flee to him.

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S4: Jesus purchased a pardon when he died for us on

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S4: the cross, and he'll give you life and forgiveness if

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S4: you'll just come to him today.

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S3: Doctor Mark Hitchcock, our guest right now. Uh, you know,

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S3: I had a thought about this. Whether you're pre-trib or post-trib,

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S3: whatever your stance is or mid-trib, it seems to me

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S3: that kids or people that had a lot of exposure

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S3: to the gospel may, in fact, see the coming arrival

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S3: of the King of Kings. It's just a thought. I

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S3: can't chapter and verse it, but what do you think, Mark?

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S3: For all those seeds that have been planted. It would

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S3: be a sobering thing for people that have been raised

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S3: in church to either see a bunch of folks that

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S3: they love disappear, or if you're post-trib, you see a

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S3: lot of these end time prophecies now being fulfilled that

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S3: you heard about even as a child. What do you think, Mark?

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S4: Well, yeah, I mean, it should have an impact on people.

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S4: You know what I find today? It's fascinating. People seem

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S4: to be kind of less interested in prophecy, and churches

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S4: preach it less. We ought to be preaching it more

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S4: as the day, as the day gets near.

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S3: Mark, I'm a quick note on that. I am blown

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S3: away by this because I'm old enough to remember 70s

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S3: 80s when all things were hot in times. Prophecy. You

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S3: barely hear about it right now. Mark. Why is that?

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S4: Well, I mean, theology in general has fallen on hard times. So,

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S4: you know, most churches don't preach the Bible or much

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S4: theology anyway, but even those that do, they shy away

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S4: from this. I think, you know, it can be controversial.

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S4: There's different views. And, you know, sometimes they think it's

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S4: just going to scare people or whatever. You know, I

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S4: don't know. I think I think, you know, Satan doesn't

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S4: want us to talk about it, I believe. Going back

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S4: to spiritual warfare, you know, the book of revelation tells

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S4: about his doom. And I don't think he wants people

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S4: to know about that. I don't think he wants people

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S4: to have the hope that we have through this. So

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S4: I think he tries to keep us away from it,

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S4: but we need to teach it to people. People need

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S4: to know about it because like you said, whatever view

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S4: of the end times is correct, people need to look

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S4: around in our world today and understand the times in

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S4: which we live, and we need to get the word

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S4: out there. So if pre-trib is correct, when the rapture

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S4: takes place, people are going to know what happened and

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S4: it'll give them, you know, the information that they need

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S4: to know, hey, here's what's taking place. I need to

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S4: turn to Christ and and have that gospel that they've

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S4: learned and heard about come alive in their heart and life.

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S1: Doctor Mark Hitchcock, we've got about two minutes left. I

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S1: want to give you the final word here. Where do

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S1: you what do you want to leave with our listeners?

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S1: We've covered a lot of ground, a lot for folks

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S1: to think about. I want you to land the plane

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S1: for us here.

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S4: Well, I think the most important thing in our lives,

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S4: I kind of alluded to this earlier, is to have

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S4: our lives focused on on the Lord, focused on Christ.

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S4: We talked about that verse earlier in James chapter four.

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S4: You know, submit to the Lord, resist the devil, and

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S4: he will flee from you. We need to submit our

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S4: lives to God. Yield ourselves to him in every way.

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S4: I mean, you know, Bible prophecy is focused on Jesus.

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S4: You know, in revelation 1910, it says the that the

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S4: Spirit of Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy. And

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S4: so we it's all of this is intended to focus

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S4: us on the Lord. It's not to focus us on

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S4: who the Antichrist is or what Satan and demons are

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S4: up to. We need to keep our focus on on

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S4: the Lord and on Christ, and we need to know

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S4: about these other things. But that needs to be the

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S4: focus of each person of our heart and life. And again,

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S4: if someone doesn't know the Lord, they've never had that

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S4: beginning with him. Um, the Bible says whoever will call

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S4: upon the name of the Lord will be saved. Jesus said,

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S4: if you'll come to me, I'll never, ever cast you out.

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S4: And so if there's someone listening who's never come to

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S4: the Lord, never come to the Lord for. For salvation,

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S4: for forgiveness, for eternal life. Uh, they can do that

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S4: right now. And for those of us who know him, um,

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S4: my my prayer is that we'll, uh, we'll keep looking

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S4: every day for the coming of Christ. But most importantly,

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S4: we'll live in light of that. It'll it'll motivate us

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S4: and incentivize us to live for Christ and give our

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S4: lives to him every day and surrender.

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S3: Yeah. Let's do this right now. Uh, this is not

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S3: a patent prayer, but I just want to capture what

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S3: Mark said and build on this just for a moment.

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S3: You know, Jesus said, blessed are the poor in spirit,

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S3: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. That position of

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S3: spiritual bankruptcy. And you know that there is no hope

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S3: apart from Jesus. Are you there, my friend? You know,

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S3: repentance is real. Jesus said, come and follow me. If

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S3: today is a day when you're wanting to go his way,

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S3: no longer your way. Praise be to God. The Spirit

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S3: of God revealed that to you. And if today is

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S3: propitiation of your sin, past, present, and future, if today

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S3: you are abandoning all of your efforts, all of your

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S3: religious activity, and surrendering all to Jesus for the first time,

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S3: the Spirit of God is doing that in you. And

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S3: if that is you right now, it's a cry of

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S3: the soul. It's not a patent prayer. If you if

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S3: you confess with your mouth Jesus as leader, high supreme authority,

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S3: and believe in your heart that God raised him from

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S3: the dead, you will be saved. If that's you, friend,

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S3: I want you to text the word new right now.

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S3: You've heard a lot today, but maybe you've been hearing

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S3: from the spirit that today is your day of surrender.

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S3: Text new right now to 805, 55, 78, 98. Just

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S3: that one word. New to 800 555 7898.