WEBVTT - Hour 2: Bible Questions and Answers 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:12.619 Hello, friends. Welcome to the second hour of Open Line 0:00:12.619 --> 0:00:18.290 with Doctor Michael Moody Radio's Bible Study Across America. My 0:00:18.290 --> 0:00:21.079 name is Michael Melnick. I'm the academic dean and also 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:24.590 professor of Jewish studies and Bible at Moody Bible Institute. 0:00:24.620 --> 0:00:28.640 Our Bible study across America is continuing. We're sitting around 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:31.910 the radio kitchen table with our Bibles open, and you 0:00:31.910 --> 0:00:35.420 can call right now with your questions about the Bible, God, 0:00:35.420 --> 0:00:38.870 or the spiritual life. If you have a question. Here's 0:00:38.870 --> 0:00:46.610 the phone number (877) 548-3675. Well, I hope you've got your 0:00:46.610 --> 0:00:49.729 second cup of coffee in front of you. Your Bible open. 0:00:49.729 --> 0:00:53.240 We're going to launch right in and go to the questions. 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:58.640 We're going to talk to Karen in Florida listening on. 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:02.540 I'm guessing one of our stations down in Florida. Glad 0:01:02.540 --> 0:01:06.410 you're there. Uh, welcome to open line. Karen. How can 0:01:06.410 --> 0:01:07.250 I help you? 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:12.229 Oh, thank you for taking my call. Uh, I just 0:01:12.230 --> 0:01:14.960 finished reading the Old Testament. And. 0:01:14.990 --> 0:01:17.060 Wait, is this your first time through? 0:01:18.380 --> 0:01:19.220 Yes. 0:01:19.250 --> 0:01:23.210 And. And what motivated you to read through the Old Testament? 0:01:25.340 --> 0:01:30.140 Uh, I was I'm doing an online, uh, Bible study 0:01:30.140 --> 0:01:33.890 of reading through the Bible. Mhm. So I just finished 0:01:33.890 --> 0:01:35.030 the Old Testament. 0:01:35.060 --> 0:01:37.970 Now, are you reading the New Testament at the same time? 0:01:39.050 --> 0:01:41.900 No, I'm starting Matthew now. 0:01:41.930 --> 0:01:44.480 Okay. Well, I think it's great that you read the 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.300 Old Testament. A lot of people, in fact, uh, a 0:01:47.300 --> 0:01:49.910 friend of mine that Eve and I made this friend 0:01:49.910 --> 0:01:53.990 through Open Line. She's, uh, one of my favorite people 0:01:53.990 --> 0:01:58.810 that I've met. And she told us recently, uh, that 0:01:58.810 --> 0:02:02.890 she has is reading through the Old Testament and really 0:02:02.890 --> 0:02:04.720 can't wait to get to the new. And I said, 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:07.330 I read through the Bible every year, God willing, you know, 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:09.940 God's help. I'm able to get through the scriptures just 0:02:09.940 --> 0:02:14.050 by reading it every year. But I, I do about 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:16.690 two thirds of my reading in the Old Testament and 0:02:16.690 --> 0:02:20.320 one third in the new. And it's interesting because here 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.739 I am in, you know, in August, and I've already 0:02:23.740 --> 0:02:27.040 completed the New Testament, and I'm going through my second 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:31.000 time on the New Testament. Uh, but I always think 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:33.550 if you're going to read through the Bible, mix it up, 0:02:33.580 --> 0:02:36.340 do old and new at the same time. But, you know, 0:02:36.370 --> 0:02:38.410 for the future, Karen, you're ready to go with the 0:02:38.410 --> 0:02:40.780 new now, so. Okay. Yeah. 0:02:40.810 --> 0:02:41.650 Yeah. Okay. 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:45.010 Hey, I'm so glad to see that you're reading the Bible. 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:46.840 That's why I wanted to talk with you, because a 0:02:46.870 --> 0:02:49.120 lot of our listeners are saying it's it's too big 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.270 a task. I don't think I'm too challenged to read 0:02:52.300 --> 0:02:55.540 the whole Bible. You can do it. And you have 0:02:55.540 --> 0:02:59.920 done it. You're doing a great job. Thank you. Karen. Uh, anyway, so. 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.670 I started January 1st. Oh, wonderful. I just got through 0:03:03.669 --> 0:03:08.110 the Old Testament. Yeah. And by the time December 31st comes, 0:03:08.110 --> 0:03:10.959 I'll be done with the New Testament. That's great. So 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:16.299 it's great. It's piecemeal. It's really good. But I'm curious. Um, 0:03:16.419 --> 0:03:20.019 you know, I listened or, I mean, I, I read 0:03:20.020 --> 0:03:23.830 about Moses and how he set up the, the priesthood 0:03:23.830 --> 0:03:27.639 with the Levites and, uh, you know, how the priests 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:30.490 were purified and and all that. And I see that 0:03:30.490 --> 0:03:34.089 with some of the kings who were good kings and, 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:37.030 you know, they wanted to honor the Lord. But then 0:03:37.060 --> 0:03:42.700 I run across in first Chronicles 21 and second Samuel, 0:03:42.730 --> 0:03:48.010 where it says that David sacrificed before the Lord. So 0:03:48.010 --> 0:03:53.680 I was curious if David actually did the sacrifices or 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:57.640 if he offered them to the priests and they sacrificed. 0:03:57.730 --> 0:03:58.540 Yeah. 0:03:58.660 --> 0:04:02.110 Um, because he's from the tribe of Judah. So. 0:04:02.140 --> 0:04:10.450 Exactly. So, uh, I think it's important to, uh, to 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:13.990 recognize that what happened to Asa. Do you remember Asa? 0:04:14.020 --> 0:04:17.680 The King? Uh, he's from the line of David. He 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:23.860 offered incense, and when he offered incense, uh, the result 0:04:23.860 --> 0:04:28.000 was that he got struck by God with leprosy. Because 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:36.279 he was he was breaching the requirement of, uh, of having, uh, 0:04:36.339 --> 0:04:40.270 not to not go through the priest. He was trying 0:04:40.270 --> 0:04:46.029 to act as priest. Um, and I think the same 0:04:46.029 --> 0:04:51.339 thing is true. Uh, it talks about in the book 0:04:51.339 --> 0:04:55.680 of Hebrews where the Messiah has merged the two offices, 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:59.370 and that he has to be from the order of Melchizedek, 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:05.849 because the the priesthood comes from the sons of Levi. Right? 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:09.600 Levitical priests. And so there has to be a change 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:17.640 of priesthood. Uh, because how could the Messiah. Here's the verses. 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:19.860 It says, for when there is a change of the priesthood, 0:05:19.890 --> 0:05:21.539 there must be a change of law as well. For 0:05:21.540 --> 0:05:25.080 the one, these things are spoken about belong to a 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:28.560 different tribe. Now one from it has served no one 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:32.190 from it, no one from it has served at the altar. 0:05:32.220 --> 0:05:35.580 Now it's evident that our Lord came from Judah. And 0:05:35.580 --> 0:05:41.460 Moses said nothing about that tribe concerning priests. That's Hebrews 0:05:41.460 --> 0:05:46.380 chapter seven, verses 13 through 15. So no one from 0:05:46.380 --> 0:05:50.460 the tribe of Judah served as priest. That would include David. 0:05:50.460 --> 0:05:53.490 So the only way I can explain those verses in 0:05:53.490 --> 0:05:57.120 Second Samuel and First Chronicles is that David offered sacrifice 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:00.330 by bringing it to the Levitical priest, who then was 0:06:00.330 --> 0:06:04.740 the intermediary. But the gift was brought by David and 0:06:04.740 --> 0:06:08.520 the animal that was David's, and it was sacrificed with 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:13.140 the intercession or mediation of a priest. Okay. 0:06:14.130 --> 0:06:18.000 Yes. Okay. That helps, because the way it reads is 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:21.210 it looks like David offered the sacrifice. Yeah. 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:25.050 But, you know, when you read Leviticus, it talks about how, uh, 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:28.049 it gives the process that people have to bring a 0:06:28.050 --> 0:06:30.300 certain sacrifice, and then they give it to the priest 0:06:30.300 --> 0:06:32.849 and he offers it, but the person is actually making 0:06:32.850 --> 0:06:38.010 the sacrifice. It's just it's mediated by a priest. And 0:06:38.010 --> 0:06:40.680 so it leaves out the mediation of it in those 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:42.960 passages about David. Okay. 0:06:43.770 --> 0:06:45.750 So okay. That's great. Great. 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:47.730 Thanks for your call, Karen. Keep reading. 0:06:48.270 --> 0:06:49.530 Okay I will. 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:50.250 Good. 0:06:50.339 --> 0:06:51.000 Uh. 0:06:51.300 --> 0:06:54.630 Bye bye. We're going to talk to Jason now in Nashville, Tennessee, 0:06:54.630 --> 0:06:57.300 listening on Wcmh. Welcome to Open Line. Jason. How can 0:06:57.300 --> 0:06:58.110 I help you? 0:06:59.250 --> 0:07:03.330 Hi, doctor Rydell, thank you so much. It's a blessing. 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:08.700 Moody radio, just such a good program. Uh. Real quick. Um. 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:13.560 Just curious. And I know you've probably answered it before about, uh, 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:16.739 your take on the chosen series, but also, if you 0:07:16.770 --> 0:07:22.230 knew any of the three, um, teachers or theologians that 0:07:22.230 --> 0:07:24.090 Dallas meets with to. 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:24.720 You know. 0:07:25.020 --> 0:07:27.990 Like there's the Jewish gentleman rabbi. 0:07:28.500 --> 0:07:31.350 You know, I don't know who he meets with. I've 0:07:31.350 --> 0:07:34.050 never seen Dallas interviewed about this or read any interviews 0:07:34.050 --> 0:07:38.040 about it. So I have no idea, uh, where he's 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:42.240 getting his rabbinic sources from. So I might know the person. 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:49.170 I just don't know who it is. So, uh, you know, uh, but, uh, I'm. 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:54.380 I've watched. Well, I've watched the first season of, uh, 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:58.190 of The Chosen. I have only watched the first season. Uh, 0:07:58.190 --> 0:08:02.660 it was very touching, really. You know, it built initially 0:08:02.660 --> 0:08:06.500 I thought, uh, and then by about the third episode, 0:08:06.500 --> 0:08:10.670 I found myself really touched. I think it, I think 0:08:10.670 --> 0:08:16.340 it's important that we distinguish between the scriptures and the chosen. 0:08:17.150 --> 0:08:20.120 And the reason I say that is that that is 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:24.800 just a sort of a it's taken from the scriptures, 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:27.590 but it is not the scriptures themselves. There's a lot 0:08:27.620 --> 0:08:32.479 of imagination, uh, a lot of creativity that goes with it. 0:08:32.510 --> 0:08:35.809 It doesn't have the same authority. But what it does 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.809 is takes the story from Scripture and it captures the 0:08:38.809 --> 0:08:42.020 meaning so well. Uh, I think it really speaks to 0:08:42.050 --> 0:08:44.600 our hearts. I've only seen the first season. I'm told 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.600 that the second and third seasons are just as good. Uh, 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.930 But that's that's what I would say about it. I 0:08:50.929 --> 0:08:55.580 think it's a valuable, uh, for to help introduce people 0:08:55.580 --> 0:08:59.990 to the story of Jesus. I love creativity and, uh, 0:09:00.020 --> 0:09:02.450 you know, as I find the time, I probably will 0:09:02.450 --> 0:09:06.860 watch the further seasons of it, but I hope that helps. Thanks, Jason. 0:09:06.860 --> 0:09:12.199 Appreciate it. Uh, appreciate your call. We're going to talk to, uh, Debbie. 0:09:13.309 --> 0:09:13.790 Hi. 0:09:13.820 --> 0:09:16.730 In Chicago, listening on WNBA. Welcome to Open Line. Debbie. 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:17.480 How can I help you? 0:09:17.510 --> 0:09:21.830 Thank you. Michael, thank you. I really enjoy your program. And, um, 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:28.280 I am curious, in Matthew 27, it talks about the 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:32.420 earthquake after Jesus's death. And of course, I know the 0:09:32.420 --> 0:09:36.230 reason that the temple curtain was torn in two. We 0:09:36.230 --> 0:09:40.880 were discussing, um, what happened. Like they it mentioned that 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:45.020 the tombs were opened and there were many holy men 0:09:45.020 --> 0:09:49.760 that came out of the tomb. And then after Jesus's resurrection, 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:53.000 they came into the city and appeared to many. And 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:56.689 we were wondering, like, did they have to die again? 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:59.599 What was the purpose of it, I guess, and what 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.300 happened to them afterwards? Did they have to die again 0:10:02.330 --> 0:10:08.660 or were they translated to heaven like Elijah? Elijah? What happened? 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:13.610 Well, it's kind of enigmatic. It's. I don't think anyone 0:10:13.610 --> 0:10:17.810 can tell you exactly what happened, but I'll give you 0:10:17.809 --> 0:10:22.370 my best shot at it. Okay. Uh, and I'm going 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:26.630 to give you the technical theological explanation. It says suddenly 0:10:26.630 --> 0:10:29.030 the curtain of the sanctuary was split in two from 0:10:29.030 --> 0:10:32.209 top to bottom. The earthquake, the rocks were split, the 0:10:32.210 --> 0:10:35.600 tombs were also opened. And many bodies of the saints 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:39.410 who had fallen asleep, that's a euphemism for died, were raised. 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:42.620 And they came out of the tombs after his resurrection. Now, 0:10:42.620 --> 0:10:45.170 I don't think they were raised at the point of 0:10:45.170 --> 0:10:50.850 his death, and then kept in the tombs till Sunday morning. 0:10:50.940 --> 0:10:54.120 I think they, when the Lord was raised, is when 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:58.500 they came alive, and when the. When the tomb opened, 0:10:58.530 --> 0:11:02.189 they came out of their tombs as well, and entered 0:11:02.190 --> 0:11:06.959 the holy city, and appeared to many. What happened here? Well, 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:09.600 I'm going to give you the theological explanation. There was 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:14.670 a super duper burst of resurrection power. That's the technical explanation. 0:11:14.670 --> 0:11:16.890 That's the only way I can explain it. There is 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:20.130 a super duper burst of of resurrection power at the 0:11:20.130 --> 0:11:23.640 resurrection of the Lord Jesus. People were raised from the dead. 0:11:23.670 --> 0:11:26.100 I don't know if they were dead for a short 0:11:26.100 --> 0:11:30.420 amount of time, like Lazarus, or dead for hundreds of years, 0:11:30.420 --> 0:11:33.120 or just, you know, a number of years. I don't 0:11:33.150 --> 0:11:39.600 know because it doesn't say, but they were saints. That 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:42.420 means holy people, not specially holy, more than you and me. 0:11:42.420 --> 0:11:45.580 But the word saint has to do with anyone that's 0:11:45.790 --> 0:11:49.360 trusted the Lord and is a holy person. Because God 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:53.830 has made us holy by justification. He's declared us righteous. 0:11:53.830 --> 0:11:57.010 And they were raised. I think it was partially they 0:11:57.010 --> 0:12:00.550 appeared to people that was sort of, sort of further 0:12:00.550 --> 0:12:04.840 testimony of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. Uh, that 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:08.800 was their purpose to testify of his resurrection. And then 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:10.960 I don't know how long they lived, but they must 0:12:10.990 --> 0:12:14.980 have died again. Uh, they could have been translated. The 0:12:14.980 --> 0:12:19.870 Bible doesn't say, but nevertheless, uh, if they lived on Earth, 0:12:19.870 --> 0:12:23.020 then they had to die again. Uh, or they were translated. 0:12:23.020 --> 0:12:27.699 The Bible doesn't say. And I'll just leave it at that. Uh, 0:12:27.700 --> 0:12:29.980 I presume that if they continued to live on Earth, 0:12:29.980 --> 0:12:32.020 they would have, because they are not they were not 0:12:32.020 --> 0:12:35.020 raised to immortality the way the Lord Jesus was. That 0:12:35.020 --> 0:12:38.230 will only happen with the ultimate resurrection of the dead. 0:12:38.230 --> 0:12:41.170 And so they would have had to die again the way, 0:12:41.290 --> 0:12:45.550 uh uh, Lazarus had. Or as you say, they might 0:12:45.580 --> 0:12:49.480 have been translated, I don't know. But their key function 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:53.199 was to testify of the risen Lord. Okay. 0:12:53.230 --> 0:12:55.870 Okay. Thank you very much. You answered a number of 0:12:55.870 --> 0:12:57.880 questions for me today. Just listening. 0:12:57.880 --> 0:12:58.690 So great. 0:12:58.690 --> 0:13:02.800 So glad, so grateful. Uh, I'm so most grateful that 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:07.990 the Lord Jesus is alive. Uh, we often talk about 0:13:07.990 --> 0:13:10.750 Jesus died for our sins, but he was raised for 0:13:10.750 --> 0:13:13.989 our justification. Just don't forget that he's alive and he's 0:13:13.990 --> 0:13:16.420 coming back. We're going to talk about more of your 0:13:16.420 --> 0:13:18.699 questions in just a moment. This is Michael Wright Zelnick. 0:13:18.730 --> 0:13:33.670 You're listening to Open Line. Stay with us. Welcome back 0:13:33.670 --> 0:13:37.449 to Open Line. Uh, I just have to say, you 0:13:37.450 --> 0:13:42.040 can't even make a little name mistake on an open line, 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:46.210 people usually don't catch it. But earlier caller was talking 0:13:46.210 --> 0:13:51.280 with me about kings, whether they could be priests, whether 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:56.679 David was a priest. And I said, Asa offered incense. 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.140 And I knew right away I got the name wrong 0:13:59.650 --> 0:14:01.780 and I was going to say something. I went on 0:14:01.809 --> 0:14:05.770 to the next call and forgot. But it was Uzziah. However, 0:14:05.770 --> 0:14:09.040 my friend, my really good friend. He's been on the program, 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:13.300 Larry Feldman, immediately just now texting me, calling me. You 0:14:13.300 --> 0:14:18.070 got to correct it. It was Uzziah. No, not Asa, 0:14:19.270 --> 0:14:22.810 I love Larry, uh, because, you know, he's right. You 0:14:22.810 --> 0:14:25.360 got to get those details right even when you misspeak. 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:29.260 So thank you, Larry. Uh, you know, there's no one 0:14:29.260 --> 0:14:32.710 I know in the whole world that knows the details 0:14:32.710 --> 0:14:37.960 of every king better than Larry Feldman. It's. He's like 0:14:37.990 --> 0:14:40.380 one of my heroes in the whole world. And the 0:14:40.380 --> 0:14:44.340 reason is because he reads the scriptures so faithfully for 0:14:44.340 --> 0:14:47.820 so many years, every day. Hasn't missed a day in 0:14:47.820 --> 0:14:52.860 over 50 years. I think that that that's just phenomenal. 0:14:52.860 --> 0:14:56.100 And that's why he's my hero. I just think that's 0:14:56.100 --> 0:15:00.480 the most outstanding quality that a person can have. And 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:04.260 I love what he says. His epitaph will be on his, uh, 0:15:04.260 --> 0:15:07.890 on his gravestone one day. It will say, read the word. 0:15:07.890 --> 0:15:10.860 And I think that that's a great reminder of what 0:15:10.860 --> 0:15:13.470 his life has been built on. So anyway, thank you, Larry, 0:15:13.470 --> 0:15:17.430 for calling, I love it. Uh, I do want to 0:15:17.430 --> 0:15:20.250 talk about a book that really helps me understand the word. 0:15:20.250 --> 0:15:24.270 It's our current resource. That book is called the Everyday 0:15:24.270 --> 0:15:27.210 Commentary Bible Commentary on the Book of Acts. It was 0:15:27.210 --> 0:15:29.580 written by Doctor Charles Ryrie, one of my favorite teachers 0:15:29.580 --> 0:15:32.820 I had in graduate school. 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But be sure to 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:14.640 ask for the everyday Bible commentary on Acts by Charles Ryrie, 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:16.380 and we'll be sure to send it to you to 0:16:16.380 --> 0:16:19.320 say thanks for your generous gift. We really appreciate you. 0:16:19.350 --> 0:16:22.050 We're going to talk to David in Idaho, listening on 0:16:22.050 --> 0:16:26.520 KNBR Spokane station. Welcome to Open Line. David. How can 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:27.330 I help you? 0:16:29.100 --> 0:16:29.580 Well, it's. 0:16:29.580 --> 0:16:33.570 A simple but important question in the book of acts, 0:16:33.570 --> 0:16:37.470 verse 60, Stevens said, Lord, do not hold this sin 0:16:37.470 --> 0:16:43.470 against them. Then also in Matthew chapter five, verse 44, 0:16:43.500 --> 0:16:47.040 Jesus said, love your enemies and pray for those who 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:51.450 persecute against you. Can you dialogue about that a little 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:56.130 bit in detail for me, please? Are we supposed to 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:59.580 say this every time we when we die, or is 0:16:59.580 --> 0:17:03.000 that a legalistic or is it a requirement? Because I 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:05.850 don't hear that in very many people actually talking about 0:17:05.850 --> 0:17:09.389 that in funerals or death or anything like that. 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:13.709 Well, you know, when you're being martyred, it's a different 0:17:13.710 --> 0:17:17.369 story than if you die peacefully. You know, in your 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:21.840 in your bed. The the point of acts 759 is 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:27.840 Peter is being stoned. And he prayed for those people 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:32.310 who were throwing the stones. Uh, just as when the 0:17:32.310 --> 0:17:36.710 Lord was being crucified, he said, father, forgive them. They 0:17:36.710 --> 0:17:41.090 don't know what they're doing. Uh, I think in those 0:17:41.090 --> 0:17:49.879 kinds of circumstances. Uh, I think it's it's it's crucial 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:55.399 that we recognize that people act in ignorance and, and 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:58.730 have a heart of compassion for those that are even, uh, 0:17:58.730 --> 0:18:03.290 if we're being martyred, martyring us. So, uh, that's what 0:18:03.290 --> 0:18:09.709 that is. Does that grant them eternal forgiveness? Eternal redemption? No. 0:18:09.740 --> 0:18:13.850 Of course not. But it's a heart of compassion. It's 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.580 asking God to intervene in their lives so that they 0:18:16.580 --> 0:18:21.050 would see and repent. That's what the point of that is. Uh, 0:18:21.290 --> 0:18:24.350 you know, I do think it changes our perspective of 0:18:24.350 --> 0:18:28.250 those of those who who might want to hurt us. Uh. 0:18:30.530 --> 0:18:34.280 I think that when we moved to New York, There 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:37.730 was a guy that lived in the apartment directly under us. 0:18:37.730 --> 0:18:42.320 That was just the grouchiest, meanest guy. His family had 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:45.620 left him because he was so grouchy and mean, and 0:18:45.619 --> 0:18:48.949 we did everything to try to win him over. Uh, 0:18:49.220 --> 0:18:51.980 Eva would bake cookies and bring it to his apartment. 0:18:51.980 --> 0:18:55.460 He was directly under us, uh, in this big apartment building. 0:18:55.460 --> 0:18:57.740 But he hated that my two year old son was 0:18:57.740 --> 0:19:00.170 running around the apartment because he could hear his little 0:19:00.170 --> 0:19:02.840 feet and would complain all the time if he. If 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.720 my son fell out of the chair, he was a 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:10.340 toddler and bumped, I'd have a phone call instantly complaining 0:19:10.340 --> 0:19:13.610 about all the noise. Uh, and he was so grouchy. 0:19:13.609 --> 0:19:16.669 And then one of the most important things that a 0:19:16.670 --> 0:19:19.370 friend of ours said to us. Eva was just like 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:21.620 she was beyond herself trying to know what to do 0:19:21.619 --> 0:19:24.740 about this guy. She was getting really angry. And, uh, 0:19:24.950 --> 0:19:29.840 finally a friend said, you know, Eva, he's walking in 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:36.200 darkness And and that just changed Eva's whole perspective. The 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:39.050 man was walking in darkness. He. He was angry at 0:19:39.050 --> 0:19:41.209 the world because he was angry at himself. And he 0:19:41.210 --> 0:19:44.270 was angry at everything going on in his life and 0:19:44.300 --> 0:19:47.390 the anger he got, the more he struck out at people. 0:19:47.390 --> 0:19:52.100 And so it changed our attitude to pray for this man. Uh, 0:19:52.100 --> 0:19:55.430 rather than to become embittered at him. And I think 0:19:55.430 --> 0:20:00.050 that's the model of Steven right there when he's being martyred. So, anyway, uh, 0:20:00.050 --> 0:20:05.030 we're going to talk to Susan in Florida, listening on Wcqs. 0:20:05.060 --> 0:20:07.700 Welcome to Open Line. Susan, how can I help you today? 0:20:07.730 --> 0:20:11.180 Oh, hi. How are you? Thank you for taking my call. Sure. Um, 0:20:11.210 --> 0:20:14.630 I just had a question about, uh. And I know. No, 0:20:14.630 --> 0:20:18.050 everybody doesn't know all the answers to this, but I 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:19.790 kind of wanted your insight on what. 0:20:19.850 --> 0:20:22.100 Would you call the right place? I know all the 0:20:22.100 --> 0:20:24.140 answers to everything. Don't you know? 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:25.250 Yeah. 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:28.609 No, I don't know everything. Okay. 0:20:30.470 --> 0:20:33.250 That's all right. Well, I was just wondering, like, what 0:20:33.250 --> 0:20:35.859 is the purpose of the millennium? It sounds like a 0:20:35.859 --> 0:20:39.010 dumb question, but why wouldn't we all just go to heaven? And, 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:41.139 I mean, is it to show what the world would 0:20:41.170 --> 0:20:43.270 have been like if Adam and Eve had never sinned? 0:20:43.270 --> 0:20:47.889 And will people have marry and have children in the 0:20:47.890 --> 0:20:50.140 millennium and will? 0:20:50.170 --> 0:20:52.419 Well, you've got you've got a lot of questions. Let 0:20:52.420 --> 0:20:57.940 me just explain this, okay. First of all, uh, at 0:20:57.940 --> 0:21:02.710 the rapture, I think the rapture will happen before the tribulation. We, 0:21:02.740 --> 0:21:07.030 the the dead in Christ, will rise, be raised to immortality. Right? 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.630 And those of us who are alive and remain will 0:21:10.630 --> 0:21:14.200 be translated, transformed in an instant to be with the 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:19.990 Lord to immortality. But the tribulation continues. Uh, will start afterwards. 0:21:19.990 --> 0:21:26.230 After that resurrection. Translation. Rapture. Uh, the the end result 0:21:26.230 --> 0:21:32.950 will be the great, uh, A campaign of Armageddon. And 0:21:32.980 --> 0:21:36.610 of course, you know, Israel will call upon the Lord 0:21:36.609 --> 0:21:40.900 and the nation as a whole. Not every last one, 0:21:40.900 --> 0:21:46.180 but 99 and 4000/400 percent will call on the Lord, 0:21:46.180 --> 0:21:48.970 and he will come and deliver Israel. So there will 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:53.260 be people entering the kingdom of Jewish people who have 0:21:53.260 --> 0:21:58.780 not yet been resurrected or translated. Also at the judgment 0:21:58.780 --> 0:22:02.230 of the sheep and the goats, judging the Gentile nations 0:22:02.230 --> 0:22:05.620 for what they have done during the tribulation, those who 0:22:05.619 --> 0:22:08.110 are believers will be the sheep. They will enter into 0:22:08.109 --> 0:22:10.149 the joy of their Lord. They will go into the 0:22:10.150 --> 0:22:17.290 kingdom without yet having been resurrected. And so we've got 0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:20.980 we've got people entering the kingdom who are not yet resurrected. 0:22:21.010 --> 0:22:24.850 Guess what? They will marry. They will have children. Their 0:22:24.850 --> 0:22:30.369 children during the millennium will have to trust the Lord 0:22:30.369 --> 0:22:34.600 Jesus to be saved. That's a lot. We don't think 0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:36.850 of it. Oh, it's the kingdom. It's going to be perfect. No, 0:22:36.850 --> 0:22:39.940 there will be people born with sin natures who will 0:22:39.940 --> 0:22:43.150 need to trust the Lord Jesus to be saved in 0:22:43.150 --> 0:22:47.800 the kingdom. And that explains a couple of things. One, 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:50.710 when people say, why are there going to be sacrifices 0:22:50.710 --> 0:22:53.740 in Ezekiel 40 through 48, in the kingdom, in the 0:22:53.740 --> 0:22:58.060 messianic kingdom on earth, the thousand year millennium? Why? Because 0:22:58.060 --> 0:23:00.400 it will be sort of like the Lord's Supper is today, 0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:04.960 looking back at the, uh, the the death and resurrection 0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:07.150 of the Lord, the Lord will be alive before us, 0:23:07.150 --> 0:23:11.770 reigning over us. But it will remind people about it, 0:23:11.770 --> 0:23:14.050 because there won't be as much death. It will remind 0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:18.010 people about what God paid, the price that God paid 0:23:18.010 --> 0:23:20.800 to redeem us. And that's the point of those sacrifices. 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:24.340 So there'll be sacrifices. People will have to trust the Lord. 0:23:24.340 --> 0:23:26.830 And then at the end of the millennium, there's going 0:23:26.830 --> 0:23:29.679 to be one last rebellion of all of many people 0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:33.940 who didn't trust the Lord. Now think about it. Satan 0:23:33.940 --> 0:23:36.880 is bound during the millennium, and still there will be 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:39.640 people who don't know the Lord. And when they get 0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:41.979 the chance, when he is released, they will rebel against 0:23:41.980 --> 0:23:45.070 him once more. Revelation 20 tells us, what does this 0:23:45.070 --> 0:23:49.540 tell us? We always want to blame the devil, you know. 0:23:49.570 --> 0:23:51.340 We want to say, the devil made me do it. 0:23:51.340 --> 0:23:55.480 This is saying that it's our flesh that drives us 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:58.719 away from God and that. So one of the purposes, 0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:00.939 I don't know all the purposes of the millennium, but 0:24:00.940 --> 0:24:04.600 one purpose is to show us our need and not 0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:12.129 blame others, not blame the enemy, but show our own need, uh, for, uh, 0:24:12.130 --> 0:24:16.750 for trusting in the Lord and, uh, and not to 0:24:16.780 --> 0:24:20.500 blame the enemy. So that's the purpose of the millennium. Uh, 0:24:20.500 --> 0:24:23.200 I hope that helps with some of your questions. Uh, 0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:25.390 if I knew everything, I would tell you everything. But 0:24:25.390 --> 0:24:27.930 I don't know everything. I just know a little bit. So. 0:24:27.990 --> 0:24:31.200 No, that sounds good. I mean, so everyone that's ever 0:24:31.200 --> 0:24:33.780 lived or died won't be in the millennium. 0:24:33.810 --> 0:24:35.909 Say that again. Say that again. 0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:40.530 Everyone that's ever lived in the history of time. Will 0:24:40.530 --> 0:24:43.290 they be in the millennium or. Or not? Well, everybody 0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:44.280 be in the millennium. 0:24:44.280 --> 0:24:48.090 Well, redeemed people will be in the millennium. Those who 0:24:48.090 --> 0:24:52.290 enter the the millennium will be redeemed people. But then 0:24:52.290 --> 0:24:55.380 they will. But the people who are not redeemed won't 0:24:55.380 --> 0:24:59.220 enter the kingdom. They will be resurrected. It says in revelation, 0:24:59.220 --> 0:25:05.129 after the messianic kingdom, after the millennium. Okay, but believers 0:25:05.130 --> 0:25:09.719 will enter it and the resurrected believers will have participation 0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:13.770 in the kingdom, so they'll be both resurrected and people 0:25:13.770 --> 0:25:17.220 who are not yet resurrected. In the kingdom of the 0:25:17.250 --> 0:25:19.530 not yet resurrected, there will be people who know the 0:25:19.530 --> 0:25:22.560 Lord and some people who don't. Okay. 0:25:22.590 --> 0:25:25.770 Okay. Yeah. Okay. All right. Thank you so much for that. Yeah. 0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:29.310 You know, I think sometimes we just like, it's. It 0:25:29.310 --> 0:25:31.560 seems a little confusing when we look at all the 0:25:31.560 --> 0:25:35.220 stuff about the End of days, but, you know, you 0:25:35.250 --> 0:25:38.429 kind of parcel it out. You can understand it. Um, 0:25:38.430 --> 0:25:41.070 but the main thing is Jesus is coming back. He's 0:25:41.070 --> 0:25:43.830 going to reign. Let's not forget that. That's the most 0:25:43.830 --> 0:25:46.500 important part of it. Uh, we're going to come back 0:25:46.500 --> 0:25:49.140 with more of your questions in just a moment. This 0:25:49.140 --> 0:25:51.510 is open line with Michael Radonich. Stay right. 0:25:51.510 --> 0:25:52.770 There. We're coming back. 0:26:07.830 --> 0:26:12.450 Welcome back to Open Line. So glad that your listening today. 0:26:12.450 --> 0:26:15.390 And to hear Haynes is joining me right now for 0:26:15.390 --> 0:26:20.640 the Febc mailbag. That's the Far Eastern Broadcasting Company mailbag. 0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:24.150 I'm so grateful for Far Eastern Broadcasting Company for partnering 0:26:24.150 --> 0:26:27.360 with with us to with Moody Radio to bring you 0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:31.889 Open Line. And it's just a really terrific ministry that 0:26:31.890 --> 0:26:35.070 uses media to reach the world. And, you know, some 0:26:35.070 --> 0:26:37.770 people say, well, you know, you need a more personal touch. Well, 0:26:37.859 --> 0:26:40.830 Febc have people on the ground that do follow up. 0:26:40.830 --> 0:26:44.820 They have a marvelous ministry. If you'd like to know more, 0:26:44.820 --> 0:26:49.350 just go to their website, febc.org, and click on the 0:26:49.350 --> 0:26:52.050 link about their podcast until all I've heard, and you'll 0:26:52.050 --> 0:26:54.960 learn all about this fabulous ministry, other resources at their 0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:59.100 website as well that you'll find helpful. So check out 0:26:59.130 --> 0:27:03.780 febc.org and to hear a Haynes is right here. Let's see. 0:27:03.780 --> 0:27:06.300 I don't know what to call you. An associate producer 0:27:06.300 --> 0:27:09.810 of Open Line. Do you have a job title? 0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:10.530 Producer. 0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:11.490 Producer. Producer. 0:27:11.490 --> 0:27:12.270 Okay. Thank you. 0:27:12.270 --> 0:27:15.840 Uh, I know that you're kind of one of our 0:27:15.840 --> 0:27:18.300 people here in Moody Radio. That's that's going to be 0:27:18.300 --> 0:27:20.730 producing a bunch of different shows, backing up people like 0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:25.400 Tricia and others. That's correct. At different times. And you've 0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:28.250 been here. That's why there's such a crowd out there 0:27:28.250 --> 0:27:30.860 in the booth. You know you're there. Trish is there. 0:27:30.890 --> 0:27:33.410 Others are learning. Chris is there. I mean, we got 0:27:33.410 --> 0:27:35.480 so many people. It's quite the team, isn't it? 0:27:35.510 --> 0:27:39.920 I agree. Yeah. And I love the way Moody radio trains. 0:27:40.250 --> 0:27:44.629 We learn step by step how to do this job, 0:27:44.630 --> 0:27:46.880 how to do it well, how to support our hosts 0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:49.879 as such as you, Michael. And then also how to 0:27:49.910 --> 0:27:52.910 support our listeners. Yeah. So it's a great team. I really. 0:27:52.910 --> 0:27:55.550 Appreciate it. You know, I it was so funny. A 0:27:55.550 --> 0:27:58.400 few weeks ago, I'd been having my friend Steve Sanchez, 0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:02.450 who teaches Bible in here, and people thought I was 0:28:02.450 --> 0:28:05.060 getting ready to quit Open Line. No, I'm trying to 0:28:05.090 --> 0:28:07.820 train someone so that if I have to go away 0:28:08.420 --> 0:28:12.020 and he will be hosting, I think in September 23rd, 0:28:12.020 --> 0:28:14.780 I think is the date. Uh, I just wanted to 0:28:14.780 --> 0:28:17.990 give someone a chance to to practice a little bit 0:28:17.990 --> 0:28:21.440 and learn with with me. It's not that I'm quitting. 0:28:21.590 --> 0:28:24.830 Far be it. I love this, but I just think 0:28:24.859 --> 0:28:28.490 it's important that we. I think it's the model of 0:28:28.490 --> 0:28:31.460 the Bible. What did Jesus do with his disciples? He 0:28:31.460 --> 0:28:33.290 trained them. And he. 0:28:33.290 --> 0:28:33.920 Did. He did. 0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:38.030 And Paul trained others. It's whatever it is that you're doing. 0:28:38.030 --> 0:28:39.800 If you're good at it, then what you do is 0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:43.070 you train the next person and then they can, you know, 0:28:43.100 --> 0:28:47.030 the things you. That's discipleship. Things you've seen and heard 0:28:47.030 --> 0:28:49.730 in me. These things, Timothy, commit to faithful men that 0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:53.480 they might, uh, equip others also. So. Amen. That's it. 0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:57.620 So anyway, uh, let's let's talk about some of these questions. 0:28:57.740 --> 0:29:01.370 Great, great. We'll start with Mitzi in Florida, who listens 0:29:01.370 --> 0:29:05.900 through WCS and revelation 12 with the woman and the Dragon. 0:29:05.900 --> 0:29:08.690 Is this an event that is yet to come, or 0:29:08.690 --> 0:29:11.000 is it something that we are living now? 0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:16.040 Uh, in my opinion, what we see revelation is really 0:29:16.040 --> 0:29:21.530 a futuristic book. It's a book of prophecy about predictive prophecy, 0:29:21.530 --> 0:29:25.520 and it's dealing with the tribulation period. And it deals 0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:32.570 with the first, uh, I'd say first six verses. Five verses, uh, 0:29:32.570 --> 0:29:38.330 is the coming of the Messiah. Uh, but the woman 0:29:38.330 --> 0:29:42.380 in revelation 12 represents Israel. That's what the sun, moon 0:29:42.380 --> 0:29:48.980 and stars uh, represent, just like in Joseph's dream. Um, and, uh, 0:29:49.130 --> 0:29:55.190 and then, uh, her child, the the Jewish child, the 0:29:55.190 --> 0:29:59.270 woman that's Israel was caught up to God and his throne. 0:29:59.270 --> 0:30:02.810 That's the ascension of the Lord Jesus. And then the 0:30:02.810 --> 0:30:05.000 woman fled into the wilderness where she had a place 0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:08.180 prepared by God to be fed there for 1260 days, 0:30:08.180 --> 0:30:12.800 1260 days. That's the second half of the tribulation. Those 0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:15.890 dates have been specified already in the book of Daniel. 0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:18.459 Thank you. So the second half of the tribulation, what's 0:30:18.460 --> 0:30:24.910 going to happen to to get verse six to understand 0:30:24.910 --> 0:30:28.870 that is what happens, is that the the tribulation begins 0:30:28.870 --> 0:30:32.170 when Israel signs a covenant with the future false Messiah. 0:30:32.470 --> 0:30:38.950 Midway through that seven year period, that false Messiah demands 0:30:38.950 --> 0:30:42.670 worship as the Messiah he demands, and he goes into 0:30:42.670 --> 0:30:46.300 the temple and tries to receive worship. Israel says, we 0:30:46.300 --> 0:30:48.190 made a covenant of peace with you, but we're not 0:30:48.190 --> 0:30:50.800 going to worship you as the Messiah. You're not the Messiah. 0:30:51.100 --> 0:30:54.640 And he begins to persecute them, so they will flee 0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:58.810 to the wilderness. Many people, I included, think I think 0:30:58.810 --> 0:31:03.340 it's going to be, uh, a place called Bozrah or 0:31:03.340 --> 0:31:09.130 Petra in across the Jordan River. Uh, and that's the 0:31:09.130 --> 0:31:12.160 place that's been prepared. And God will use that, that 0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:15.430 the rest of that passage deals with the attack by 0:31:15.430 --> 0:31:18.880 the dragon or Satan on the Jewish people at that time. 0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:21.640 So I think it's future. Second half of the tribulation 0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:25.150 in verse six. That's what begins the second half. 0:31:25.690 --> 0:31:29.980 Thank you for that. Excellent, excellent explanation. And Mitzi, thank 0:31:29.980 --> 0:31:32.920 you so much for that question. Yep. Um, we also 0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:33.850 have a big question. 0:31:33.850 --> 0:31:36.940 Can I just say something? This is really important. Uh, 0:31:36.940 --> 0:31:39.310 when I teach this passage, I often call it the 0:31:39.310 --> 0:31:46.570 mystery of anti-Semitism explained. Wow. Because why is it that 0:31:46.570 --> 0:31:50.080 Jewish people have suffered the longest hatred, the oldest hatred 0:31:50.110 --> 0:31:54.130 in the world is anti-Semitism, hatred of the Jewish people. 0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:57.640 And this tells me that it's driven by the dragon. 0:31:57.910 --> 0:32:02.140 The what is behind all the hatred of the Jewish people? 0:32:02.380 --> 0:32:07.660 It's the enemy, it's satanic, and it's a theological explanation. 0:32:07.660 --> 0:32:10.750 There's no other good reason for it. Hatred of the 0:32:10.750 --> 0:32:14.560 Jewish people is driven by Satan because Satan hates whom 0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:19.150 God loves. That's one of the key ideas. Also, Satan 0:32:19.150 --> 0:32:23.470 wants to obstruct God's plan. And if he could somehow 0:32:23.470 --> 0:32:25.239 put an end to the Jewish people, he could have 0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:28.450 prevented the sun from coming the first time the Messiah, 0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:32.950 the Lord Jesus. And if he can somehow, uh, destroy 0:32:32.950 --> 0:32:36.219 the Jewish people, then he can prevent the Lord Jesus 0:32:36.220 --> 0:32:39.880 from returning because he said he won't return. Matthew 2337 0:32:39.910 --> 0:32:44.440 through 39 until Israel welcomes him. So this explains why 0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:46.600 is it that Jewish people have been such an object 0:32:46.600 --> 0:32:50.050 of hatred? It's satanic. And the reason I mentioned that 0:32:50.050 --> 0:32:53.740 is we have on November 9th, a a summit coming 0:32:53.740 --> 0:32:58.960 up right here in Chicago at Moody Bible Institute. It's 0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:03.280 the summit opposing anti-Semitism. I'll be speaking. It's a one 0:33:03.310 --> 0:33:07.030 day conference. I'll be speaking. Don Sweeting will be speaking. 0:33:07.030 --> 0:33:11.680 Mark Jobe, our president will be speaking. Mitch Glazer, president 0:33:11.680 --> 0:33:14.920 of Chosen People ministries will be speaking. It's going to 0:33:14.920 --> 0:33:21.160 be a terrific day for understanding this, this hatred of 0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:24.880 God's people and how we, as followers of the Jewish Messiah, 0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:28.360 Jesus can stand with his people in opposing it. And 0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:30.400 so I really want to let people know about it. 0:33:30.430 --> 0:33:32.500 There's a if you want to know more about it, 0:33:32.500 --> 0:33:35.890 just go to Open Line radio.org. Click on the link there. 0:33:36.190 --> 0:33:40.120 About the summit opposing anti-Semitism, I think, and I really 0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:43.000 hope people will plan to come for that day. It's 0:33:43.000 --> 0:33:45.760 going to be a fantastic day, culminating with a concert 0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:48.220 by Marty and Misha Goetz. So I think your people 0:33:48.220 --> 0:33:51.790 will really like it. So anyway, I just wanted to 0:33:52.060 --> 0:33:55.870 kind of show this, this, this significance. It's not just 0:33:55.870 --> 0:33:58.900 that it's future, but it reveals something that's been always, 0:33:58.930 --> 0:34:00.130 always been true. 0:34:00.220 --> 0:34:03.970 Thank you so much for that additional information. And that's 0:34:03.970 --> 0:34:07.930 a wonderful lineup for that, for that seminar, for that conference. 0:34:07.930 --> 0:34:10.989 So thank you so much. Thank you. We also have 0:34:10.989 --> 0:34:13.950 a question. It's a pretty big question. And it's from 0:34:13.950 --> 0:34:17.790 Kirstie in Minnesota who listens with Faith radio. Um, she 0:34:17.790 --> 0:34:19.710 says her question is, where do you stand on the 0:34:19.710 --> 0:34:23.640 issue of remarriage after the divorce? And we know there 0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:26.549 are a lot of differing opinions, even from biblical scholars 0:34:26.550 --> 0:34:27.660 on this topic. 0:34:28.710 --> 0:34:31.650 Yeah, there are a lot of different views and people 0:34:31.650 --> 0:34:36.690 will differ. But here's how I understand it. Uh, based 0:34:36.690 --> 0:34:39.840 on Matthew 19, where the Lord Jesus gives the exception 0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:44.700 clause except for cause of immorality. Uh, I believe if 0:34:44.700 --> 0:34:53.790 someone breaks their vows of fidelity, uh, that divorce is permitted, 0:34:54.450 --> 0:34:59.549 but not required, but permitted. If can this marriage be saved? 0:34:59.580 --> 0:35:03.060 You know, you sometimes hope that it can. But there 0:35:03.060 --> 0:35:05.400 are times where there is a partner in the marriage 0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:10.710 that refuses to repent and change ways, and Therefore divorce 0:35:10.710 --> 0:35:14.040 would be permitted, and if that if a divorce comes 0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:22.020 with biblical grounds of immorality, then then yes, the person 0:35:22.020 --> 0:35:28.830 can remarry biblically. The second area is in first Corinthians seven, 0:35:28.830 --> 0:35:31.200 where if a person is married to someone who doesn't 0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:33.180 know the Lord, and that person who doesn't know the 0:35:33.180 --> 0:35:38.400 Lord doesn't want to stay but abandons the marriage, that 0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:46.080 would justify a person if they've been abandoned to be remarried. 0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:48.810 And and not only that, I mean, I think that 0:35:48.810 --> 0:35:53.070 any time a person abandons, I think that's a principle 0:35:53.070 --> 0:35:56.160 that's given there. If a person just refuses to be married, 0:35:56.190 --> 0:36:01.529 abandons the marriage, the the one partner doesn't, uh, want 0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:04.980 to have a divorce, but the other determines. I think 0:36:04.980 --> 0:36:10.460 that abandonment is a is a justification for remarriage. Uh, 0:36:10.550 --> 0:36:13.040 and then now this is where I get a little 0:36:13.040 --> 0:36:14.840 more controversial. I think there are a lot of people 0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:19.850 who agree with me about adultery and abandonment, but, uh, 0:36:20.630 --> 0:36:24.529 I believe the most grievous way a person can abandon 0:36:24.530 --> 0:36:31.219 their vows, even if they're willing to stay, is with violence. Uh, 0:36:32.060 --> 0:36:36.500 and that is an abandonment of their vows. Even if 0:36:36.500 --> 0:36:39.680 they're they're still present in the home. In fact, they've 0:36:39.710 --> 0:36:42.530 become a danger because they stay present in the home. 0:36:42.530 --> 0:36:46.340 I think that is, uh, now, I'm not the only one. 0:36:46.340 --> 0:36:51.110 Wayne Grudem has come along now, uh, who changed his 0:36:51.110 --> 0:36:56.569 view and added, uh, abuse, physical abuse as a justification 0:36:56.570 --> 0:36:59.750 for divorce and remarriage, and I would I would agree 0:36:59.750 --> 0:37:03.620 with him about that. Uh, Wayne Grudem, a great theologian 0:37:03.620 --> 0:37:08.000 and has written about that in recent years. Uh, in 0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:11.930 my judgment, again, this is just me speaking, not setting 0:37:11.930 --> 0:37:16.430 policy for any organization or church, but just as I 0:37:16.460 --> 0:37:19.640 as I understand it, physical abuse is what I would say. 0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:23.300 So thank you, Michael, for diving into those deep waters. 0:37:23.300 --> 0:37:23.840 Thank you. 0:37:23.870 --> 0:37:26.510 And you know everyone, there are people who will call 0:37:26.540 --> 0:37:28.880 me and they'll say, I've got I've got this problem 0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:31.160 with my marriage and I don't know about divorce. I say, 0:37:31.280 --> 0:37:33.919 that's where you need to talk to a pastor, because 0:37:33.920 --> 0:37:35.720 I would need to hear the whole story and all 0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:38.660 the details. And I talk to your pastor, is what 0:37:38.660 --> 0:37:40.520 I would say. And if a person is struggling with 0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:42.920 the issue of divorce and remarriage, talk to your pastor. 0:37:42.950 --> 0:37:45.020 Good advice. That's what I would say. Yeah. Anyway, thanks 0:37:45.020 --> 0:37:47.629 for bringing those questions. Uh, we're going to come back 0:37:47.630 --> 0:37:50.450 with more of your calls in just a moment. Uh, 0:37:50.450 --> 0:37:56.060 this is Michael Radonich, Tara Haynes with the questions you've 0:37:56.060 --> 0:37:59.540 sent in. Check out check out our website, Open Line radio.org. 0:37:59.540 --> 0:38:02.000 There's a link there that says Ask Michael a question, 0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:04.400 and you can certainly post your question there, and we'll 0:38:04.400 --> 0:38:07.100 get to it in the mailbag. We're coming right back 0:38:07.100 --> 0:38:09.920 with more of your calls. So stay with us right 0:38:09.920 --> 0:38:22.279 here on Open Line with Michael. Rachel, Mike. Welcome back 0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:25.190 to Open Line. My name is Michael Read Melnick, and 0:38:25.190 --> 0:38:27.800 you heard me talking with Tara. If you listened to 0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:30.110 the last segment and we talked about all the different 0:38:30.110 --> 0:38:33.410 people who are serving here at Moody Radio, the great 0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:35.600 team that we have, I'm so grateful for them. I'm 0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:38.420 so grateful for the people that you may know and 0:38:38.420 --> 0:38:40.370 the people that you may not know, because it's a 0:38:40.370 --> 0:38:43.520 great team. And also there are people that you wouldn't know, 0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:46.730 but they're out there. They're our kitchen table partners. 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I know that 0:39:22.900 --> 0:39:25.690 you're going to find it really helpful. And if you'd 0:39:25.690 --> 0:39:28.299 like to become a kitchen table partner, the way to 0:39:28.330 --> 0:39:33.190 do that is go to our website, openline radio.org, and 0:39:33.190 --> 0:39:35.710 there's a link there you can click on or you 0:39:35.710 --> 0:39:45.790 can call 88864471228886447122. And thank you so much for considering 0:39:45.790 --> 0:39:49.360 becoming a kitchen table partner. And we're going to talk 0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:54.850 right now with Christopher calling from Florida listening to Rmbb. 0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:57.850 Welcome to Open Line. Christopher. How can I help you today. 0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:02.410 Hi mister, I, I just wanted to ask, um, what 0:40:02.410 --> 0:40:03.340 are the trends? Wait, wait. 0:40:03.370 --> 0:40:05.170 Chris. Chris, how old are you? 0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:06.970 I'm 13. 0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:10.990 You're 13. Wow. And you? Listen, your parents make you 0:40:11.020 --> 0:40:12.640 listen to open line with them. Is that what you're 0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:13.540 doing here? 0:40:14.980 --> 0:40:16.930 Yeah. I'm listening with my aunt and my mom. 0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:20.170 With your mom? That's great, I love that. It's kind 0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:22.299 of a fun way to do Bible study together, don't 0:40:22.300 --> 0:40:24.640 you think? With your mom. That's fun. So. 0:40:24.670 --> 0:40:25.509 Oh, yeah. Definitely. 0:40:25.540 --> 0:40:27.790 Hey, what grade are you going into right now? 0:40:28.630 --> 0:40:30.220 I'm going into eighth grade. 0:40:30.370 --> 0:40:34.810 Wow. So now you're 13. But I guess you haven't 0:40:34.810 --> 0:40:36.850 had a bar mitzvah yet, have you? Huh? 0:40:37.750 --> 0:40:38.740 Uh, no, I haven't. 0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:43.839 Usually it's just Jewish kids that have a bar mitzvah, but, uh, 0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:46.750 I think it's your bar mitzvah age. Let's say. So. 0:40:46.900 --> 0:40:49.060 It's good that you're asking questions. You know, Jesus asks. 0:40:49.090 --> 0:40:55.060 Answered questions of the the leaders of Israel, uh, back 0:40:55.060 --> 0:40:56.710 when he was 12. So it's a good age to 0:40:56.739 --> 0:40:59.440 be talking about the Bible. Go ahead with your question. 0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:00.850 I'm sorry to be diverting you. 0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:01.540 Go ahead. 0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:07.290 Oh no problem. So in Matthew six, uh, verse 19 0:41:07.290 --> 0:41:11.140 to 22, uh, like Jesus mentions, like to gather your 0:41:11.140 --> 0:41:14.380 treasures in heaven, but what what are those treasures? 0:41:15.219 --> 0:41:19.719 Uh, I think it's gold doubloons. Doubloons? That's what it is. 0:41:19.750 --> 0:41:21.460 I don't know what they are going to be. Here's 0:41:21.460 --> 0:41:26.620 what I know in first Corinthians three. It talks about 0:41:26.620 --> 0:41:31.210 when we serve God. Uh, we're we're we're working. We're 0:41:31.210 --> 0:41:37.120 building on a foundation. And that foundation is either built 0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:41.950 with wood, hay and straw, or we can build with gold, 0:41:41.950 --> 0:41:47.080 silver or costly stones. And the work that we do, 0:41:47.110 --> 0:41:49.960 it says, will be revealed by the fire of God, 0:41:50.380 --> 0:41:54.550 and it will test the quality of each one's work. 0:41:54.550 --> 0:41:59.259 And if the work is made of gold or silver. 0:41:59.290 --> 0:42:05.110 Obviously these are metaphorical usages or precious gems that will 0:42:05.260 --> 0:42:09.910 survive the fire, whereas wood, hay and straw wouldn't. And 0:42:09.910 --> 0:42:13.390 it says, uh, if anyone's work is burned up, it 0:42:13.390 --> 0:42:15.310 will be lost, but he will be saved. It will 0:42:15.340 --> 0:42:18.790 be like an escape through fire. But basically what will 0:42:18.790 --> 0:42:23.950 happen is we will receive a reward. Uh, now, some 0:42:23.950 --> 0:42:26.770 people say it's crowns. There's the 24 elders in the 0:42:26.770 --> 0:42:29.109 book of revelation, and they have crowns. And what do 0:42:29.110 --> 0:42:32.380 they do? They toss their crowns at the feet of 0:42:32.380 --> 0:42:35.680 the Lord Jesus. I think that whatever reward or treasure 0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:39.190 that we receive in heaven, we will give back to him, 0:42:39.190 --> 0:42:42.759 because he's the one that deserves it the most. But 0:42:42.790 --> 0:42:46.540 I think there'll be some sort of reward that will receive, 0:42:46.570 --> 0:42:51.430 you know, in, in, uh, first Corinthians nine, it talks 0:42:51.430 --> 0:42:58.360 about us receiving a reward as well. Uh, everyone who competes, 0:42:58.410 --> 0:43:05.370 It says uh uh will exercise self-control in everything. However 0:43:05.370 --> 0:43:08.910 they do it to receive a crown that will fade away. 0:43:08.910 --> 0:43:12.600 But we do it to receive a crown that will 0:43:12.600 --> 0:43:17.819 never fade away. So, uh, obviously we're getting again. It's 0:43:17.820 --> 0:43:24.090 a metaphor. The victor's crown, uh, for a reward. So 0:43:24.090 --> 0:43:26.100 I think that's what the Lord Jesus is talking about. 0:43:26.100 --> 0:43:28.890 I think the biggest reward we'll receive is one day 0:43:28.890 --> 0:43:31.739 we'll stand before the Lord and he will say, if 0:43:31.739 --> 0:43:35.219 we have been faithful, well done, good and faithful servant. 0:43:35.219 --> 0:43:38.609 That's what my hope for the greatest treasure I could 0:43:38.610 --> 0:43:41.160 receive in heaven. Okay, Christopher. 0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:43.320 All right. Thank you. Yeah. 0:43:43.320 --> 0:43:48.719 Thanks for your call. Really appreciate it. Uh, Natalie in Ohio, uh, 0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:51.210 listening on Wtxf. Welcome to Open Line. How can I 0:43:51.239 --> 0:43:52.050 help you? 0:43:53.070 --> 0:43:58.650 Thank you. My question is, are there modern day apostles 0:43:58.650 --> 0:44:04.560 and prophets? And should Christians allow these individuals to predict 0:44:04.560 --> 0:44:07.980 what is going to happen in the future in their 0:44:07.980 --> 0:44:09.270 personal lives? 0:44:09.300 --> 0:44:10.950 Okay, can you give me. 0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:13.140 Bible scripture to back this. 0:44:13.140 --> 0:44:13.500 Up? 0:44:13.530 --> 0:44:16.380 Yeah, well, if you look at acts one, when they 0:44:16.380 --> 0:44:21.600 were choosing the apostles to to replace Judas, they said 0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:23.490 they wanted someone who had been with them from the 0:44:23.489 --> 0:44:29.040 beginning that had seen the resurrected Lord and that could, uh, 0:44:29.489 --> 0:44:35.160 testify with them of the resurrection. Right. So we've got 0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:42.720 something here. Uh, therefore, he says, I'm I'm finding the verse, uh, 0:44:42.900 --> 0:44:47.520 verse chapter one, verse 22 of acts 122, beginning from 0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:49.770 the baptism of John until the day he was taken 0:44:49.770 --> 0:44:52.200 from us, from among these, as someone who has been 0:44:52.200 --> 0:44:55.770 with them, from among these, it's necessary that one become 0:44:55.770 --> 0:45:00.180 a witness with us of his resurrection. In one Corinthians 0:45:00.210 --> 0:45:04.140 nine one, Paul defends his apostleship. He was not one 0:45:04.140 --> 0:45:08.460 of the 12, but he defends his apostleship. He says, 0:45:08.489 --> 0:45:12.330 am I not an apostle? Have I not seen the Lord? 0:45:12.360 --> 0:45:15.570 So it seems to me to be an apostle with 0:45:15.570 --> 0:45:20.219 a capital A, so to speak. Uh, a person needs 0:45:20.219 --> 0:45:27.090 to have seen physically the resurrected Lord Jesus and testify 0:45:27.090 --> 0:45:31.530 of that. Now, that tells me that today there aren't 0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:36.450 apostles like that. And if there aren't apostles like that, 0:45:36.450 --> 0:45:40.200 that affects a whole lot of other things as well, 0:45:40.290 --> 0:45:45.330 because there are certain actions that are associated with the apostles. So, uh, 0:45:45.330 --> 0:45:49.470 but the point is that that shows that there is 0:45:49.500 --> 0:45:53.910 at least some gifts that were temporary. As for prophets 0:45:53.910 --> 0:45:58.140 and prophecies. It depends on how you define it. I 0:45:58.140 --> 0:46:01.350 believe that they were from the foundation of the church, 0:46:01.380 --> 0:46:07.710 apostles and prophets and, and and therefore the foundation has 0:46:07.710 --> 0:46:10.560 been laid, and there are no more people that will 0:46:10.590 --> 0:46:13.410 be predicting what's going to go on in our lives 0:46:13.410 --> 0:46:16.350 for today. We'll just stick with the scriptures. I hope 0:46:16.350 --> 0:46:19.140 that helps. Natalie, next time let's talk about it in 0:46:19.140 --> 0:46:22.890 the future. Another time. This has been, uh, fastest two 0:46:22.890 --> 0:46:25.500 hours of the week. So glad you listened. Thanks, Chris Seeger, 0:46:25.530 --> 0:46:28.259 Tricia McMillan, Tara Haynes, for all that you did to 0:46:28.290 --> 0:46:31.950 bring this program to fruition. Uh, thanks for every caller. 0:46:31.980 --> 0:46:35.370 Really appreciate you. Check out our website, openline. radio.org. It's 0:46:35.370 --> 0:46:38.430 got all the links you're looking for. Uh, I'll keep 0:46:38.430 --> 0:46:40.770 reading the Bible. We'll talk about it next week. Open 0:46:40.770 --> 0:46:44.430 line is a production of Moody Radio, a ministry of 0:46:44.430 --> 0:46:46.920 Moody Bible Institute. Have a great week.