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S6: One of the coolest things that's been happening on Carl

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S4: What? What comes to mind? What are you thinking of?

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S6: I'm thinking pastor tanks. Oh, okay.

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S6: That's what I'm thinking. Yes, I'm thinking guns, artillery and

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S6: Pastor Tank's, Ali's going to tell you exactly how to

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S6: You can get your tank filled with pastor tanks.

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S9: a a life of drug use, even though my parents,

454
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S9: my dad was a pastor, my mom, church organist, I,

455
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S9: I just was looking for life and, and just completely

456
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S9: made a wreck of my life and encountered Christ while

457
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S9: high on drugs, uh, surrendered my life to him. And

458
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S9: that began a massive upheaval in a positive way in

459
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S9: my life that led to a sense of of calling

460
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S9: a desire to be used by God And led me

461
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S9: to Multnomah Bible College back in the day. Joe Aldridge

462
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S9: was the the president. Terry Dirks was a partner of

463
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S9: his in a vision, a dream. And that dream started

464
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S9: off with this sense of just being tired of conferencing.

465
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S9: Pastors are constantly getting invited to go to conferences, and

466
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S9: Joe and Terry early on said, what would happen if

467
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S9: instead of a conference, we invited northwest pastors to a

468
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S9: three day event where we do, we have no agenda,

469
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S9: and we do nothing other than seek the face of God.

470
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S9: And that began an explosive movement of new life in

471
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S9: the churches in the Pacific Northwest. Ultimately, it grew into

472
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S9: international renewal, where they were doing these three day agenda

473
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S9: less seasons of pursuing God all over the world and Taiwan, China, Germany,

474
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S9: all over the the nations, all over the globe. God

475
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S9: was stirring renewal. And it was in that season that

476
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S9: that Terry Dirksen, I think he just thought, this kid

477
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S9: needs massive help. I'm going to take him under my

478
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S9: wing and disciple him for a season. And we would pray,

479
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S9: walk Multnomah and seek God's face in the midst of

480
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S9: this massive movement globally. And that started the whole collegiate

481
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S9: division of Northwest Renewal, international Renewal, where we brought college students.

482
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S9: A friend of mine, Mike Pellicelli, and I would bring

483
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S9: college students together for three days of seeking the face

484
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S9: of God, and it just changed all of our lives.

485
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S4: You know, Greg, what you mentioned, what you're talking about

486
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S4: is both exciting and maybe a little daunting. Why is

487
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S4: it that we so struggle with pursuing God without programming?

488
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S4: I mean, we we love our, our our flow of

489
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S4: of service and the the almost. I hate to say it,

490
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S4: but we do kind of like the predictability of knowing

491
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S4: what's going to happen. But we know that with God

492
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S4: we can't. Why do we struggle with that tension?

493
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S9: I think it's a human struggle. I think that Romans

494
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S9: eight lays it out. Paul suggests that we have either

495
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S9: phronema an orientation towards the flesh, or towards self-effort or

496
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S9: towards God in the spirit. And I think that in

497
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S9: our flesh we like to keep things under control. We

498
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S9: like to make sure that that we're performing to the

499
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S9: highest possibility so that we can gain or yield the

500
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S9: largest amounts of value. It's just all a self-effort thing.

501
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S9: And then I think also for some, they've had experiences

502
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S9: in the past where they're just like flipped out by

503
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S9: by what was happening in the prayer house.

504
00:26:01,590 --> 00:26:02,950
S6: A little whacky. Yeah.

505
00:26:02,990 --> 00:26:05,630
S9: Right. Or else it was just absolutely dead. And they're thinking,

506
00:26:05,630 --> 00:26:08,470
S9: oh my gosh, what am I going to do? Yeah.

507
00:26:08,510 --> 00:26:11,510
S9: So they they want control. And yet at the same

508
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:17,520
S9: time exerting themselves into the equation is something that's directly

509
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,080
S9: interfering with God doing what he wants to do in

510
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S9: them and through them.

511
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S6: You know, Greg, the four principles that you brought to

512
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S6: us in little Rock from the Northwest Renewal movement were protection, direction. God,

513
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S6: manifest your presence here. And it's all based in truth.

514
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,520
S6: I'll never forget those four. Greg. It's those were transformative.

515
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S6: Speak to those for a moment.

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S9: You know, Terry and Joe in the early days had

517
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S9: a tiger by the tail. They had all these senior

518
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S9: pastors showing up in one location. And all these guys

519
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,879
S9: want to do is preach, improve themselves. Not all of them,

520
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,119
S9: but a lot of them. And so in the early days,

521
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,240
S9: just to provide a sense of direction, they would start

522
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S9: each one of these three hour rhythms of prayer. And

523
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S9: that's what they were. You'd wake up in the morning,

524
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S9: have breakfast, three hours of prayer, you'd do some lunch,

525
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,800
S9: connect three hours of prayer, a break and then dinner,

526
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S9: and then another three hour segment of prayer. But they

527
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S9: would get these guys together. There was a facilitating team

528
00:27:19,619 --> 00:27:21,860
S9: and they would say, today we're going to start off

529
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S9: this session in the same way that we started off

530
00:27:24,940 --> 00:27:29,300
S9: the last asking for God's protection, because what we're doing

531
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S9: here is, is directly, in many different ways, opposing the

532
00:27:35,180 --> 00:27:39,939
S9: kingdom of darkness, which is all about empowering self. So

533
00:27:39,940 --> 00:27:43,260
S9: we're asking for God's protection in believing that there's real

534
00:27:43,460 --> 00:27:46,940
S9: protection that can be found in the name of Jesus.

535
00:27:47,220 --> 00:27:50,700
S9: We're also, number two, asking for the Spirit of God

536
00:27:50,700 --> 00:27:54,020
S9: to be unleashed on us so that he directs our

537
00:27:54,020 --> 00:27:56,899
S9: steps so that we're filled with the sense of the

538
00:27:56,900 --> 00:28:00,860
S9: direction that God wants to bring this time together. And

539
00:28:00,859 --> 00:28:03,820
S9: they also would encourage pastors just to listen. I mean,

540
00:28:03,859 --> 00:28:08,460
S9: if somebody overhears praying for renewal of the Church of Portland,

541
00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:12,870
S9: maybe we should stay with that until God directs us

542
00:28:12,869 --> 00:28:16,310
S9: to go in a different direction. So protection, direction, asking

543
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:19,150
S9: God to fill that time with his presence. Well, when

544
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:25,070
S9: God's presence manifests itself, when God chooses to reveal what's

545
00:28:25,070 --> 00:28:27,990
S9: already true, Psalm 139 says, there's nowhere we can flee

546
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:31,709
S9: from his presence. When God chooses, by the power of

547
00:28:31,710 --> 00:28:34,590
S9: His Holy Spirit, to unveil our eyes so that we

548
00:28:34,590 --> 00:28:37,909
S9: can see him and experience him. It's just like, better

549
00:28:37,910 --> 00:28:42,470
S9: put on the seatbelt because things begin to happen dynamically.

550
00:28:42,990 --> 00:28:45,350
S9: And and then finally, the last one is to just

551
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:50,430
S9: be filled with truth that God wants to place guardrails

552
00:28:50,430 --> 00:28:53,750
S9: on our time, that that the things that are prayed

553
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:57,630
S9: need to be just based on biblical truth, that that

554
00:28:57,630 --> 00:29:01,750
S9: the truth really paves the way for us to more

555
00:29:01,870 --> 00:29:05,590
S9: quickly move towards God and His purposes in that prayer

556
00:29:05,630 --> 00:29:07,830
S9: gathering that you're a part of. And so, yeah, those

557
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:11,050
S9: four things were a baseline for for what we did

558
00:29:11,050 --> 00:29:12,530
S9: with international renewal.

559
00:29:12,810 --> 00:29:20,850
S6: Yeah. Protection, direction, manifest presence of God's Spirit and truth.

560
00:29:20,850 --> 00:29:24,490
S6: Just repeating those again for you. Boom. Crew. And, uh,

561
00:29:24,490 --> 00:29:26,690
S6: I want you to know something. Boom. Crew. Greg and

562
00:29:26,690 --> 00:29:29,370
S6: I have done a lot of ministry together over the

563
00:29:29,370 --> 00:29:32,770
S6: years in little Rock and in Alaska, and now in

564
00:29:32,770 --> 00:29:37,570
S6: Chicago and Greg's in Michigan, and it's been awesome to witness.

565
00:29:37,570 --> 00:29:40,850
S6: But I want you to know, just in a word,

566
00:29:41,490 --> 00:29:44,650
S6: I've had two tastes of of what I call many

567
00:29:44,650 --> 00:29:50,690
S6: localized awakenings. And they were all due to prayer. And

568
00:29:50,690 --> 00:29:54,450
S6: I love of what we've been touching on here lately.

569
00:29:55,330 --> 00:29:59,370
S6: George Mueller is the one who said prayer is about

570
00:29:59,410 --> 00:30:03,730
S6: taking hold of the willingness of God. I think oftentimes

571
00:30:03,730 --> 00:30:06,450
S6: we head into prayer going, boy, is he reluctant or

572
00:30:06,450 --> 00:30:09,180
S6: is he going to move? And I want you to

573
00:30:09,220 --> 00:30:12,060
S6: know that Mueller was right. We can take hold of

574
00:30:12,060 --> 00:30:18,900
S6: God's willingness in prayer, protection, direction, manifest presence, and truth.

575
00:30:19,660 --> 00:30:24,140
S6: Consider that for your prayer huddle this week, you two pastors, well,

576
00:30:24,140 --> 00:30:25,940
S6: we want to put you on to Greg. Man, this

577
00:30:25,940 --> 00:30:29,740
S6: guy's got resources galore that work from the inside out,

578
00:30:29,780 --> 00:30:30,540
S6: don't they, Ali.

579
00:30:30,580 --> 00:30:36,220
S4: Yes, yes, you can text life to 800 555 7898.

580
00:30:36,260 --> 00:30:42,020
S4: Text life to 800 555 7898. Check out those resources

581
00:30:42,020 --> 00:30:46,180
S4: we've mentioned before, the journey workbook, working through some of

582
00:30:46,180 --> 00:30:49,580
S4: those family of origin issues. This is going to be

583
00:30:49,580 --> 00:30:52,580
S4: a great little resource pod for you. There's a lot there.

584
00:30:52,580 --> 00:30:56,580
S4: Just text life to 800 555 7898.

585
00:30:57,180 --> 00:31:00,180
S1: He was sharing the gospel on the radio and then

586
00:31:00,220 --> 00:31:04,580
S1: he got saved. Young thunders in the crew. It's Carl

587
00:31:04,580 --> 00:31:06,300
S1: and crew on Moody Radio.

588
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:12,630
S6: What do you see? What do you see? I probably, uh,

589
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:18,030
S6: probably was. Oh, goodness sakes, 30, 40 years ago. Uh.

590
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:21,070
S6: Let's see, it was longer than that. I was in

591
00:31:21,070 --> 00:31:26,870
S6: a gen ed course at Mount Hood Community College outside

592
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:33,630
S6: of Portland, Oregon. And, um, it was interesting, you know,

593
00:31:33,630 --> 00:31:37,790
S6: it was the old black dot on the white page experiment,

594
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:42,710
S6: you know, what do you see? And it's the old

595
00:31:43,150 --> 00:31:48,150
S6: kind of truth that we sometimes focus on, something that

596
00:31:48,150 --> 00:31:52,709
S6: stands out in our mind's eye. And yet, if you

597
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:54,830
S6: look at an eight and a half by 11 page

598
00:31:54,830 --> 00:31:57,470
S6: with a big old black smudge on the center of it,

599
00:31:57,510 --> 00:32:00,470
S6: what do you see? You can see the black smudge,

600
00:32:00,470 --> 00:32:05,930
S6: or you can see the unpopulated areas of that page

601
00:32:06,290 --> 00:32:07,530
S6: that have nothing on it.

602
00:32:07,930 --> 00:32:08,530
S2: You're right.

603
00:32:08,730 --> 00:32:11,410
S6: It's an interesting little exercise.

604
00:32:11,610 --> 00:32:14,530
S2: I do enjoy that exercise. I think it's fun. You

605
00:32:14,530 --> 00:32:17,370
S2: can everyone because everyone sees something different on those little

606
00:32:17,370 --> 00:32:18,770
S2: inkblot tests too.

607
00:32:18,930 --> 00:32:22,770
S6: Yeah, yeah. It's fascinating. And if we look at our

608
00:32:22,770 --> 00:32:28,210
S6: culture today and I asked the question, what do you see?

609
00:32:29,690 --> 00:32:31,970
S6: That's fascinating question, isn't it?

610
00:32:32,370 --> 00:32:35,770
S2: It is a fascinating question because I'm sure you ask

611
00:32:35,770 --> 00:32:39,770
S2: five different people what they see. And you very well

612
00:32:39,810 --> 00:32:41,250
S2: could get five different answers.

613
00:32:41,250 --> 00:32:42,730
S7: It's a loaded question for sure.

614
00:32:42,930 --> 00:32:48,770
S6: Yeah, it's a loaded question. So I want to just

615
00:32:48,770 --> 00:32:52,810
S6: experiment with this a little bit and ask you via text,

616
00:32:52,850 --> 00:32:56,930
S6: no call ins here. I want to ask you, what

617
00:32:56,930 --> 00:32:59,410
S6: do you see when you look at our world today,

618
00:32:59,450 --> 00:33:06,780
S6: our culture today if you're in America, Canada or beyond.

619
00:33:07,180 --> 00:33:11,100
S6: What do you see? And and I'm just leaving it

620
00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:13,940
S6: right there. What do you see? Not giving you any

621
00:33:13,940 --> 00:33:21,300
S6: more definition than that. What do you see? In the

622
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:24,460
S6: perspective that we're going to gain here. And there's no

623
00:33:24,940 --> 00:33:30,300
S6: hidden secret that we're holding something back. But it's amazing

624
00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:35,780
S6: what Jesus saw when he looked at culture. It's amazing

625
00:33:35,780 --> 00:33:40,140
S6: what Jesus saw, but I don't want to go there yet.

626
00:33:40,380 --> 00:33:42,620
S6: A lot of you know where we're going, but what

627
00:33:42,620 --> 00:33:47,900
S6: do you see when you look at culture? Okay. What

628
00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:50,979
S6: do you see when you look at culture? And I

629
00:33:50,980 --> 00:33:56,620
S6: want you to be honest with yourself because that's important.

630
00:33:57,140 --> 00:34:00,020
S6: What captures your mind when you look at some of

631
00:34:00,020 --> 00:34:03,230
S6: the culture wars? What do you see? What do you see?

632
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:08,070
S6: And I'm asking for honest, open response. What do you see?

633
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:13,430
S6: What gets you rankled? What gets you upset? What gets

634
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:18,030
S6: you hand wringing? That's what you're seeing. The stuff that

635
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:23,070
S6: captures your mind gets you grinding on certain issues. 800

636
00:34:23,070 --> 00:34:28,550
S6: 555 7898. And it's good to be honest about this

637
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:34,230
S6: with ourselves, because we can only have a kind of

638
00:34:34,270 --> 00:34:40,350
S6: a course correction of visibility correction when we see below

639
00:34:40,390 --> 00:34:45,310
S6: the surface or beyond the inkblot, as it were. So

640
00:34:45,350 --> 00:34:50,430
S6: I'm asking you, what do you see? 800 555 7898.

641
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:58,069
S6: Just text us right now. What do you see? Hate. Division. Fear. Confusion.

642
00:34:58,590 --> 00:35:02,770
S6: More evil than ever. This is good. Getting good responses here.

643
00:35:03,450 --> 00:35:08,770
S6: 800 555 7898. Get honest, get visceral. I'm not going

644
00:35:08,810 --> 00:35:10,810
S6: to call out your number. Not going to call out

645
00:35:10,810 --> 00:35:17,049
S6: your name. Don't have your name 800 555 7898. Confusion

646
00:35:17,050 --> 00:35:25,330
S6: over identity. That's good. Value and purpose. I see division

647
00:35:25,330 --> 00:35:29,450
S6: of good and evil becoming clearer and clearer. I'm just

648
00:35:29,450 --> 00:35:36,370
S6: reading them as they're coming in. Chaos. Ungodliness. Division 800

649
00:35:36,370 --> 00:35:44,410
S6: 555 7898. Get your feedback here. Desperation for truth, someone says,

650
00:35:44,410 --> 00:35:50,970
S6: looking at our world today, I see little bratty, rebellious children. Okay,

651
00:35:52,250 --> 00:35:53,570
S6: we're getting some honesty now.

652
00:35:53,810 --> 00:35:55,330
S2: Getting some good, to be honest.

653
00:35:57,300 --> 00:36:01,060
S6: Wow, we're getting a ton of feedback here. Hurting people

654
00:36:01,060 --> 00:36:05,779
S6: in a grand demonic plot. Governments and people with a

655
00:36:05,820 --> 00:36:08,140
S6: lot of money trying to scare people and keep them

656
00:36:08,140 --> 00:36:09,140
S6: in victimhood.

657
00:36:09,180 --> 00:36:09,660
S7: Yeah.

658
00:36:10,020 --> 00:36:15,180
S6: Spiritual warfare. Just getting it here. Indoctrination. Lawlessness. They're pouring

659
00:36:15,180 --> 00:36:20,779
S6: in now. Anger, pain. The Bible be proving to be

660
00:36:20,780 --> 00:36:27,380
S6: true yet again. People pursuing their own sinful desires. Finding

661
00:36:27,420 --> 00:36:36,900
S6: teachers who tickle their ears, selfish leadership, fragmented families, spiritual warfare.

662
00:36:37,380 --> 00:36:41,859
S6: Women acting like men, just getting first blush. This is

663
00:36:41,860 --> 00:36:47,899
S6: what we see. Orchestrated chaos. Confusion. So they continue to

664
00:36:47,940 --> 00:36:54,100
S6: violate children. Create more disturbed humans. Be as brief as

665
00:36:54,100 --> 00:37:01,070
S6: you can here 800 555. 78. 98. What do you see?

666
00:37:01,310 --> 00:37:08,549
S6: Abandonment of God. Disarray. Belief in lies. Deception. Manipulation by

667
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:20,030
S6: dark powers. A sex saturated society. Selfish governmental leadership. Accelerated destruction. Deception.

668
00:37:22,750 --> 00:37:23,750
S6: Good feedback.

669
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:26,230
S2: I like this one. I see people running harder and

670
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:27,790
S2: faster with no direction.

671
00:37:28,510 --> 00:37:29,670
S6: Well, that's a good insight.

672
00:37:29,710 --> 00:37:30,870
S2: A really good insight.

673
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S6: A nation divided.

674
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:33,950
S7: Yeah.

675
00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:39,430
S6: Chemical rain. I'm not sure where that's coming from, but I.

676
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:45,430
S6: That's what you see. Crime, War. False prophets on the horizon.

677
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:54,810
S6: Government above. God. Narcissism and pride. Propaganda. I see need

678
00:37:54,810 --> 00:37:57,210
S6: for the church to go to the highways and byways.

679
00:37:57,210 --> 00:37:57,770
S6: All right.

680
00:37:58,850 --> 00:37:59,330
S7: Yeah.

681
00:37:59,890 --> 00:38:05,370
S6: A world without Jesus. Indoctrination of children to rebel against parents.

682
00:38:07,450 --> 00:38:13,850
S6: Getting a lot of feedback here. There's a lot of

683
00:38:13,850 --> 00:38:17,810
S6: truth in a lot of these observations of what people see.

684
00:38:18,290 --> 00:38:22,810
S6: There's a lot of truth in there. Agreed. Guys.

685
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:25,850
S2: More than agreed. Yeah. There's a lot of truth in

686
00:38:26,170 --> 00:38:29,690
S2: in so many of these, because the world is hurt

687
00:38:29,690 --> 00:38:32,930
S2: and broken. And that shows itself in a lot of

688
00:38:32,930 --> 00:38:34,090
S2: these ways. Yeah.

689
00:38:35,410 --> 00:38:38,130
S6: Coming up here in a moment, I'm going to go

690
00:38:38,130 --> 00:38:42,370
S6: to the word and we're going to see what Jesus saw. Now,

691
00:38:42,570 --> 00:38:49,609
S6: did he see everything? Yeah. He did. But what were

692
00:38:49,610 --> 00:38:54,339
S6: the deeper things that Jesus saw? That's what we're going

693
00:38:54,380 --> 00:38:56,340
S6: to look at here this morning. This is Tyrion.

694
00:38:57,100 --> 00:39:01,140
S1: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to Carl

695
00:39:01,140 --> 00:39:01,700
S1: and crew.

696
00:39:01,940 --> 00:39:05,860
S6: It's Carl and crew asking you a question in this

697
00:39:06,219 --> 00:39:08,339
S6: little segment here. What do you see when you look

698
00:39:08,380 --> 00:39:13,100
S6: at our culture? It's kind of like the inkblot kind

699
00:39:13,140 --> 00:39:15,819
S6: of test that I did many, many years ago. It's

700
00:39:15,860 --> 00:39:20,739
S6: obvious that the exercise is to help us see more broadly.

701
00:39:20,780 --> 00:39:23,220
S6: It's easy to see the blot of ink. Right, guys?

702
00:39:23,219 --> 00:39:23,900
S6: Come on.

703
00:39:23,900 --> 00:39:26,299
S2: Oh goodness. Right there. It's it's there in front of.

704
00:39:26,300 --> 00:39:26,460
S7: Us.

705
00:39:26,820 --> 00:39:28,100
S2: Every single day.

706
00:39:28,660 --> 00:39:31,700
S6: The amount of responses we're getting here about what people see,

707
00:39:31,739 --> 00:39:33,739
S6: it tells me that the boom crew is smart. We

708
00:39:33,780 --> 00:39:37,140
S6: got our eyes open, man. And I think there's a

709
00:39:37,140 --> 00:39:39,980
S6: lot of people that would contend that Christians need to

710
00:39:39,980 --> 00:39:42,620
S6: almost be blinded to what's going on in our world.

711
00:39:42,620 --> 00:39:46,700
S6: Jesus wasn't blinded to what's going on in the world

712
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S6: 2000 years ago. I mean, he lived in a very

713
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S6: constrictive culture. I mean, ultimately not only the religious leaders

714
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S6: of the day, but the government, the Roman government. I mean,

715
00:40:00,350 --> 00:40:04,550
S6: it was heavy duty. You think of freedom of speech

716
00:40:04,590 --> 00:40:06,950
S6: issues and those kind of things. I mean, those were

717
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S6: out the window. A lot of things that we take

718
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S6: for granted here in our nation, as sideways as we

719
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S6: might be morally. Wow. There wasn't even a concept of

720
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S6: some of the liberties that we have today. Back 2000

721
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S6: years ago.

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S2: That's really interesting context. I don't think that we often

723
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S2: realize that they were kind of living in a dictator state,

724
00:40:28,469 --> 00:40:32,989
S2: you know, like it was it's pretty heavy. Yeah, they

725
00:40:32,989 --> 00:40:35,629
S2: got to run some things, but only as far as

726
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S2: the Roman government would let them go. And the Roman

727
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:40,150
S2: government was still in charge. And they made sure everyone

728
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S2: knew that.

729
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S6: Yeah. And I mean, the tribe that Jesus was born

730
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:49,610
S6: into was rejecting his messiahship?

731
00:40:49,650 --> 00:40:50,130
S7: Yes.

732
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S6: So he didn't even have a good tribe?

733
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S2: No.

734
00:40:53,370 --> 00:40:58,129
S6: And even the 12 disciples. Whoa! They bailed on him

735
00:40:58,130 --> 00:40:59,010
S6: last minute there.

736
00:40:59,050 --> 00:41:02,290
S2: Yeah. Not perfect followers by any stretch of the imagination.

737
00:41:04,250 --> 00:41:06,450
S6: I'm not proposing that we have to go it alone.

738
00:41:06,489 --> 00:41:10,250
S6: I'm just proposing that we have an opportunity to see

739
00:41:10,250 --> 00:41:14,850
S6: something much different. It comes from Matthew nine. And, I mean,

740
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S6: some of you might have guessed where I was going

741
00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:19,969
S6: here this morning, but it it's important for us to

742
00:41:20,010 --> 00:41:28,850
S6: rehearse this, especially days like this in our world, geopolitically, locally, regionally, nationally,

743
00:41:29,290 --> 00:41:32,850
S6: in the West in general. Well, we can look at

744
00:41:32,850 --> 00:41:36,610
S6: things that are going on and really get discouraged, couldn't we?

745
00:41:37,210 --> 00:41:40,210
S2: Oh my goodness certainly. Certainly we can because it's hard.

746
00:41:40,730 --> 00:41:43,530
S2: We're waiting for Jesus to come back. But we are waiting.

747
00:41:43,530 --> 00:41:46,930
S2: And and as people who are redeemed, being made new

748
00:41:46,930 --> 00:41:50,100
S2: each and every day. It's hard to see the things

749
00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:52,620
S2: that held us captive. Not all that long ago. In

750
00:41:52,620 --> 00:41:54,220
S2: front of our faces. Every day.

751
00:41:54,260 --> 00:42:00,260
S6: Every day. So what did Jesus see? Reading from Matthew nine,

752
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S6: verse 35 and following. And Jesus went throughout all the

753
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S6: cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the

754
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S6: good news, gospel of the kingdom, and healing every disease

755
00:42:13,340 --> 00:42:19,060
S6: and every affliction. Verse 36 when he saw the crowds,

756
00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:26,700
S6: he had compassion for them. Still doesn't answer. What did

757
00:42:26,700 --> 00:42:30,100
S6: he really see? But now we get into it because

758
00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:34,620
S6: they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd.

759
00:42:35,380 --> 00:42:39,339
S6: Then he said to his disciples, the harvest is plentiful,

760
00:42:40,020 --> 00:42:45,380
S6: but the laborers are few. Therefore pray earnestly to the

761
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:49,750
S6: Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into his harvest.

762
00:42:49,790 --> 00:42:52,950
S6: What did Jesus see, guys? What did Jesus see?

763
00:42:53,110 --> 00:42:56,910
S2: He saw people who were harassed and helpless. Like sheep

764
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S2: without a shepherd.

765
00:42:57,790 --> 00:42:59,070
S6: Yeah. What's that mean?

766
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S2: Well, take a look at like David from from first Samuel.

767
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S2: When when he. It describes David. When he introduces David.

768
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S2: David is a shepherd. He's taking care of the sheep.

769
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S2: And what did he do? He fought off bears and

770
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S2: lions in order to protect and guide the sheep. The

771
00:43:18,310 --> 00:43:21,509
S2: sheep are now this culture. They have no one to

772
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S2: protect them, no one to give them direction. And there

773
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:31,149
S2: are enemies out there mauling them spiritually because they have

774
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S2: no shepherd to protect and guide them.

775
00:43:33,070 --> 00:43:37,430
S6: Yeah, that's a great that's right on. And the tendency

776
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:40,150
S6: that we have in the Natural man is to look

777
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:44,530
S6: at the bears and the wolves, the negative. Yeah. And

778
00:43:44,530 --> 00:43:47,530
S6: to kind of focus on that. And we can lose

779
00:43:47,530 --> 00:43:51,009
S6: the forest for the trees here. And our Savior Jesus

780
00:43:51,010 --> 00:43:54,130
S6: Christ looked at them and said, man, we got people

781
00:43:54,130 --> 00:43:57,250
S6: that are harassed and helpless like sheep without a shepherd.

782
00:43:57,810 --> 00:44:01,370
S6: Then he said to his disciples, the harvest is plentiful,

783
00:44:01,370 --> 00:44:05,370
S6: but the laborers are few. Therefore pray earnestly to the

784
00:44:05,370 --> 00:44:08,730
S6: Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into his harvest.

785
00:44:08,770 --> 00:44:11,770
S6: What an amazing thing. A few assumptions here. One is,

786
00:44:12,170 --> 00:44:15,770
S6: there's a whole lot of people that are ready to

787
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S6: be saved from the madness of this world. A whole

788
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S6: lot of people. And we've got a willing God, and

789
00:44:26,010 --> 00:44:28,890
S6: we can lay hold of his willingness. Going back two

790
00:44:28,890 --> 00:44:34,090
S6: days ago to George Mueller's prayer. We can lay hold

791
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S6: of God's willingness to pray that the Lord of the

792
00:44:36,850 --> 00:44:40,890
S6: harvest would raise up laborers to go into the harvest field.

793
00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:45,540
S6: So I want you to call in with your stories

794
00:44:45,540 --> 00:44:50,140
S6: of a perspective shift that you've gone from looking at

795
00:44:50,180 --> 00:44:55,340
S6: this to looking at the real issue. God, by his grace,

796
00:44:55,340 --> 00:44:58,260
S6: it's not you championing yourself, but God by his grace,

797
00:44:58,260 --> 00:45:02,420
S6: has allowed you to open your eyes and see people

798
00:45:02,420 --> 00:45:05,340
S6: that are harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd.

799
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S6: Now here's what I want to tell you. You sleep

800
00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:11,980
S6: better at night, don't you? Yep. You sleep better at night.

801
00:45:12,820 --> 00:45:14,980
S6: Because it's one thing to look at the bears and

802
00:45:14,980 --> 00:45:17,940
S6: the wolves. It's another thing to say, let's go reach

803
00:45:17,940 --> 00:45:21,060
S6: people and protect them from bears and wolves, whatever they

804
00:45:21,060 --> 00:45:25,260
S6: may be. That's a big deal, man. That's a big deal.

805
00:45:26,140 --> 00:45:29,259
S6: And do we fight to keep that perspective? Let's put

806
00:45:29,260 --> 00:45:31,379
S6: our hands in the air. Those of us that fight

807
00:45:31,420 --> 00:45:33,940
S6: to keep that. Okay. All our hands are in the air.

808
00:45:33,980 --> 00:45:35,180
S7: Yep yep yep yep.

809
00:45:35,540 --> 00:45:38,500
S6: So what has God done by his grace and power

810
00:45:38,500 --> 00:45:44,470
S6: to give you that perspective Shift. These are humble responses.

811
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S6: 800 555 7898 800 555 7898. You begin to or

812
00:45:54,989 --> 00:45:58,670
S6: you've begun to see the world through the eyes of Jesus.

813
00:45:58,670 --> 00:46:02,910
S6: You see below the surface. How did God do that?

814
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:07,190
S6: What's he doing in your heart? He's breaking your heart

815
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:11,550
S6: about the things that captures God's heart. God's been doing

816
00:46:11,550 --> 00:46:13,950
S6: that work. I'm asking you to call in with that

817
00:46:14,310 --> 00:46:17,390
S6: humble submission of what God has done in you and

818
00:46:17,390 --> 00:46:21,790
S6: what he's doing in you. 800 555 7898 light up

819
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S6: the phone lines right now. 800 555 7898.

820
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S1: She's a choreographer extraordinaire and everything is Greek to her.

821
00:46:32,430 --> 00:46:36,190
S1: Super di is in the crew. It's Carl and crew

822
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:37,509
S1: on Moody Radio.

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S6: Yeah, it's not that you'd not see what's going on

824
00:46:40,410 --> 00:46:42,690
S6: in our world today, or stick your head in the sand,

825
00:46:42,690 --> 00:46:46,569
S6: or even have opinions about what's going on. The objective

826
00:46:46,570 --> 00:46:49,609
S6: here is to look a little bit deeper. The eyes

827
00:46:49,610 --> 00:46:57,370
S6: of Jesus are profoundly transcendent. What he saw was you'd

828
00:46:57,370 --> 00:47:01,850
S6: want to sleep better at night. Oh, baby, get the

829
00:47:01,850 --> 00:47:03,770
S6: eyes of our savior, Jesus.

830
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S2: Yeah, you you have to. Because when we. When we

831
00:47:09,410 --> 00:47:11,850
S2: see the world for what it really is, we can

832
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S2: approach the world how we really need to.

833
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S6: Yeah, that's a good statement, big dog.

834
00:47:17,810 --> 00:47:21,170
S2: Yeah. Because when we're when we're just looking at it angry,

835
00:47:21,530 --> 00:47:23,690
S2: of course we're not going to walk into that harvest

836
00:47:23,690 --> 00:47:26,529
S2: field ready to reach people for Christ.

837
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S6: Or just sad.

838
00:47:27,850 --> 00:47:28,850
S2: Or just sad.

839
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S6: And never have another emotion of possibility.

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S2: No. Because, Jesus, we're we're talking from Matthew nine today.

841
00:47:36,250 --> 00:47:39,460
S2: Jesus says two different things about the culture, he says one,

842
00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:41,460
S2: that the harassed and helpless like sheep without a shepherd.

843
00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:43,540
S2: He had compassion on them for that. But then he

844
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S2: also says to the disciples, the harvest is plentiful. That's

845
00:47:46,660 --> 00:47:49,219
S2: what he's saying about the culture as well. There are

846
00:47:49,219 --> 00:47:52,580
S2: so many people here who are harassed and helpless and ready.

847
00:47:53,060 --> 00:47:54,180
S2: So let's go get him.

848
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S6: Yeah. And and people that believe things. We had Abdu

849
00:47:58,100 --> 00:48:01,259
S6: Murray on here. Was that yesterday, Abdu? Two days ago.

850
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S7: Two days ago.

851
00:48:01,860 --> 00:48:04,299
S6: Two days ago. Abdu Murray. By the way, if you

852
00:48:04,300 --> 00:48:08,219
S6: didn't get that interview with Abdu Murray. Oh my goodness.

853
00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:09,140
S2: Excellent interview.

854
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S6: Yes, a and sexual identity. Uh, it was phenomenal. So

855
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S6: get the show cast. There you go. Mid mid. Show

856
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S6: show cast. Promo. Hear text show to our number and

857
00:48:21,980 --> 00:48:24,460
S6: go back two days and listen to it. Text show

858
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S6: to 800 555 7898. Showed 800 555 7898. But here's

859
00:48:31,940 --> 00:48:37,799
S6: here's the reality. We have real issues going on in

860
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:42,160
S6: this world today. They've always been here. There's divide and

861
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,080
S6: anger and as an undercurrent. But we've got to remember

862
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:52,200
S6: that some people have been shepherded by false prophets using

863
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:57,680
S6: Jesus's metaphor here by prophets of the day, who are

864
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,360
S6: entrapping them in mindsets that are leading to. As I

865
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,280
S6: was talking with Abdu Murray about this, we were talking

866
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S6: with him things that used to appear common sense. It's

867
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:14,160
S6: just a manifestation of rebellion against God. But for some

868
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:19,480
S6: people that's all they have. They haven't had a fair

869
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,759
S6: shot at the gospel. So were some of the harassed

870
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:28,640
S6: and helpless on a crazy train that would ultimately crucify

871
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:34,170
S6: the Savior of the world? Absolutely. But Jesus's His perspective

872
00:49:34,170 --> 00:49:37,890
S6: was man, they are harassed and helpless, like sheep without

873
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S6: a shepherd. And he said, the harvest is plentiful. The

874
00:49:41,010 --> 00:49:43,930
S6: laborers are few. Therefore pray earnestly to the Lord of

875
00:49:43,930 --> 00:49:46,890
S6: the harvest to send out laborers into his harvest. And

876
00:49:46,890 --> 00:49:50,969
S6: the harvest field was not easy. It was dicey. It

877
00:49:50,969 --> 00:49:54,330
S6: was going to get into all kinds of a firestorm

878
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S6: of leaders that had their clutches on people. Carlos, first

879
00:50:00,050 --> 00:50:03,370
S6: time caller in Miami, Florida. Good to have you with us, Carlos.

880
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S6: When did you begin to get the eyes of Jesus

881
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S6: for the world around us, man?

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S10: I would like to say, um, I would like to

883
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S10: say around April of 2021, I was living a very

884
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S10: dark life, and I ended up in, in prison back

885
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S10: in January of 2021. And God used that time To

886
00:50:33,260 --> 00:50:37,899
S10: mold my heart and my mind and my spirit, so

887
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S10: I could change my perspective of how I used to

888
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S10: view the world. Because I used to view it from

889
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S10: a very dark perspective. And over a period of 15 months,

890
00:50:50,500 --> 00:50:59,060
S10: my life changed and I got out. Yeah. After that,

891
00:50:59,300 --> 00:51:03,540
S10: the way I view the world has been very, very different.

892
00:51:03,540 --> 00:51:08,940
S10: I view the world now from a very, very godly perspective.

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S6: Yeah. And you know what? That's born out of Carlos

894
00:51:11,540 --> 00:51:13,939
S6: and boom. Brother, thank you for calling in. First time

895
00:51:13,940 --> 00:51:20,700
S6: caller Miami, Florida. There is something about seeing ourselves as

896
00:51:20,700 --> 00:51:24,060
S6: we are, and the need for grace that will cause

897
00:51:24,060 --> 00:51:27,460
S6: us to see the world as it is, through the

898
00:51:27,460 --> 00:51:31,279
S6: eyes of Jesus with the perspective of We've got a

899
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,280
S6: bunch of poorly shepherded people out here, man.

900
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,920
S2: Mhm. You know what came to my mind as Carlos

901
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,640
S2: was talking. You know the the phrase like don't forget

902
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,680
S2: where you came from. Like you're, you know, and people

903
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,680
S2: are talking about hometown and all that kind of stuff.

904
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:49,440
S2: Your roots. But, but we can't forget where we came from.

905
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,080
S2: We were also once enemies of God living dark lives,

906
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,960
S2: rebellious to him. Yeah. We were once also sheep without

907
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:01,640
S2: a shepherd, harassed and helpless and and thankfully we've been

908
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,360
S2: saved from that. But sometimes we forget where we came from.

909
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,720
S6: So picking true.

910
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,880
S2: And we look at people like we've never been there before,

911
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,799
S2: so we don't have mercy or compassion for them. We

912
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,760
S2: have to because we were there once, too.

913
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,719
S6: And this doesn't mean that your mind and even your

914
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,600
S6: conversation at time goes to can you believe what's going on?

915
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,200
S6: Can you see that? Can you?

916
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,120
S2: Of course, we have those conversations all the time.

917
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:26,600
S7: Of course.

918
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,410
S6: Humble but out of humility and out of brokenness that

919
00:52:30,410 --> 00:52:37,610
S6: Carlos featured here today. And. The call of God to

920
00:52:37,650 --> 00:52:42,370
S6: humility is even a cry of of compassion and mercy.

921
00:52:42,730 --> 00:52:47,330
S6: But boy, it can change everything. So let's lift up

922
00:52:47,330 --> 00:52:50,890
S6: our eyes and ask God to give us his eyes.

923
00:52:52,850 --> 00:52:56,330
S6: And let's pray for harvesters to get into the field.

924
00:52:57,290 --> 00:53:02,250
S6: What some of us see as a hopeless battlefield of

925
00:53:02,250 --> 00:53:07,290
S6: spiritual conflict. Jesus says, no man, we got harvest time here.

926
00:53:07,890 --> 00:53:10,410
S6: We got harvest time here. Amen. If we can get

927
00:53:10,410 --> 00:53:13,770
S6: that perspective shift. Katy, bar the door.

928
00:53:15,010 --> 00:53:18,770
S1: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to

929
00:53:18,810 --> 00:53:19,890
S1: Carl and crew.

930
00:53:20,450 --> 00:53:23,730
S6: All right, big deal here, man. This is kind of cool.

931
00:53:23,730 --> 00:53:26,450
S6: You asked for it. You got it. Toyota. You guys

932
00:53:26,450 --> 00:53:27,340
S6: remember that one?

933
00:53:27,380 --> 00:53:27,779
S7: I do.

934
00:53:27,820 --> 00:53:29,739
S2: I remember you telling me about it.

935
00:53:30,580 --> 00:53:32,939
S6: You asked for it. You got it.

936
00:53:32,980 --> 00:53:35,740
S7: Toyota. Wow.

937
00:53:36,540 --> 00:53:40,259
S6: Yeah. Uh, it's. We'll get in the same key next

938
00:53:40,260 --> 00:53:40,940
S6: time around.

939
00:53:41,180 --> 00:53:41,700
S7: Maybe.

940
00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:43,780
S2: Maybe. No guarantees.

941
00:53:43,860 --> 00:53:48,060
S6: It's. It's pretty cool. Uh, we did have some folks saying. Oh, man,

942
00:53:48,100 --> 00:53:52,460
S6: I didn't get in, uh, for prayer. Um, but we're

943
00:53:52,460 --> 00:53:56,500
S6: so grateful that you've knocked on the door. And here's

944
00:53:56,500 --> 00:53:58,700
S6: what we're doing. I mean, here's practical things. So we

945
00:53:58,700 --> 00:54:01,180
S6: have this third party, cool little sign up sheet for

946
00:54:01,180 --> 00:54:03,339
S6: prayer warriors, those that are going to jump in and

947
00:54:03,340 --> 00:54:06,739
S6: pray during share for half an hour slot. And we

948
00:54:06,739 --> 00:54:09,980
S6: filled it in two days and change, which is unheard

949
00:54:09,980 --> 00:54:13,100
S6: of for us here, which is a great indicator that

950
00:54:13,100 --> 00:54:14,140
S6: we're on the right path.

951
00:54:14,180 --> 00:54:15,020
S2: Yeah, fantastic.

952
00:54:15,180 --> 00:54:19,219
S6: Really good. Uh, but there were some that said like, man,

953
00:54:19,219 --> 00:54:22,339
S6: I don't listen every day. And now I missed it.

954
00:54:22,340 --> 00:54:26,480
S6: So we have the ability to open up the threshold

955
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,840
S6: of how many more people. We don't want to get

956
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,120
S6: crazy here because we've got to manage emails and all

957
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,520
S6: kinds of communications, but we've opened up more slots in

958
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:39,239
S6: each half hour so that you can get your get

959
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,279
S6: your seat at the table for prayer. And we're so

960
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,960
S6: grateful for all of you genuinely. So just text the

961
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,280
S6: word crew and grab a half an hour slot. There

962
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,000
S6: is already one. It looks like that's filled up yet again,

963
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,360
S6: but there's tons of tons of slots.

964
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,160
S7: So go through the week. You can scroll down through.

965
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,879
S6: The week and find out. Find a half an hour

966
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,160
S6: that works for you. And without giving too much data

967
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,280
S6: and points on this, we're going to give you lots

968
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,960
S6: of prayer prompts and you're going to get inside, scoop

969
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,520
S6: on what our prayer focus is, and even a red

970
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,960
S6: alert if we need you. So we're ready for you.

971
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:21,360
S6: Text the word crew to 800 555 7898 805 five, five, 7898. And, uh,

972
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,600
S6: it'll be it'll be really sweet. We're grateful for you.