WEBVTT - Connecting Deeper with the Holy Land 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:11.520 Imagine leading a tour group to the Holy Land right now, 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.960 with the Iran conflict still underway. What would it look 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:17.800 like to travel throughout Israel? Well, you're about to find out. 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:21.520 Today's guest is just back from Israel and shares encouraging 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:24.600 stories and some great ideas to help us connect deeper 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:27.680 with the Holy Land. Even if you never leave home. Hey, 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:30.040 welcome to the land and the book. Our host has 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:33.159 been fascinated with the Middle East most of his life. 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:36.160 Doctor Charlie Dyer, it's great to connect with you today, Charlie. 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:38.400 John, it's good talking to you and I'm looking forward 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:39.199 to our time together. 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:41.560 Well, I sure am too. You know, as believers, there's 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:43.280 a great need for us to share the gospel with 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:46.600 the Jewish people. In fact, many of our listeners faithfully 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:50.280 pray and partner with ministries doing just that. But what 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:53.680 if you could personally take part in bringing the gospel 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:54.800 to Jewish people? 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:57.200 Yeah, and that's why our friends at Life and Messiah 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:01.430 would love the opportunity to get believers involved in Jewish ministry. 0:01:01.710 --> 0:01:05.910 They regularly organize outreach teams to Brooklyn, South Florida and 0:01:05.910 --> 0:01:09.870 even to Israel outside times of conflict. These ministry trips 0:01:09.870 --> 0:01:12.150 will equip you to understand how to share the gospel 0:01:12.150 --> 0:01:15.630 with Jewish people. Give you the opportunity to actively share 0:01:15.630 --> 0:01:19.310 your faith and provide tools and resources that you can 0:01:19.310 --> 0:01:21.670 take home with you. If you would like to get 0:01:21.709 --> 0:01:26.350 hands on training and practical experience in Jewish evangelism, you 0:01:26.350 --> 0:01:30.270 can learn more by visiting. Life in messiah.org and clicking 0:01:30.270 --> 0:01:34.589 on the Moody radio button there. That's life in messiah.org. 0:01:35.550 --> 0:01:38.069 The conflict between the U.S. and Iran was at least 0:01:38.069 --> 0:01:41.750 temporarily overshadowed this past week by the announcement of a 0:01:41.750 --> 0:01:46.390 defense pact between Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Is that 0:01:46.390 --> 0:01:50.070 pact designed to defend these countries against Iran, or could 0:01:50.070 --> 0:01:51.310 it impact Israel? 0:01:51.830 --> 0:01:53.790 Well, you know, at first glance, one might see it 0:01:53.790 --> 0:01:57.430 as a defense pact against Shiite Iran by three Sunni 0:01:57.470 --> 0:02:01.660 Muslim states who are also allies with the U.S. but 0:02:01.660 --> 0:02:05.220 the deal does seem to go deeper. In part, it 0:02:05.220 --> 0:02:07.620 could be a reaction to concerns over the U. S 0:02:07.620 --> 0:02:10.860 s long term commitment to the region, or over our 0:02:10.860 --> 0:02:14.700 ability to provide protection. The U.S. has apparently gone through 0:02:14.700 --> 0:02:17.380 a large portion of its supply of missiles and other 0:02:17.380 --> 0:02:21.660 strategic arms without being able to defeat Iran. Our government 0:02:21.660 --> 0:02:25.019 is now pressuring arms firms to speed up output, but 0:02:25.020 --> 0:02:27.900 the funding to boost that production is stuck in Congress. 0:02:28.340 --> 0:02:30.860 If the U.S. is unable or unwilling to come to 0:02:30.900 --> 0:02:34.140 their aid, these three countries are hoping a defense pact 0:02:34.180 --> 0:02:37.540 will make each one less vulnerable as a target. And 0:02:37.540 --> 0:02:40.500 there are other pieces to this puzzle. All three countries 0:02:40.500 --> 0:02:44.139 are opposed to Israel and in favor of a Palestinian state. 0:02:44.460 --> 0:02:48.620 Turkey has a strong military capacity and arms industry. Saudi 0:02:48.620 --> 0:02:52.980 Arabia has vast oil wealth, and Pakistan has nuclear missiles. 0:02:53.180 --> 0:02:56.940 Together they do form a Muslim threat to Israel, but 0:02:56.940 --> 0:03:00.450 they also have other adversaries in the region. Pakistan's main 0:03:00.450 --> 0:03:03.530 enemy is India, which also has nuclear weapons and a 0:03:03.530 --> 0:03:06.090 large army. And Turkey is seen as a threat by 0:03:06.090 --> 0:03:09.690 Greece and Cyprus. Saudi Arabia has really proven to be 0:03:09.690 --> 0:03:12.690 something of a paper tiger in this conflict, with Iran 0:03:12.690 --> 0:03:16.210 being unable or unwilling to respond to drones and missiles 0:03:16.210 --> 0:03:19.210 fired at them by Iran and the Houthis. The U.S. 0:03:19.250 --> 0:03:22.450 has been trying to normalize relations between Israel and the 0:03:22.450 --> 0:03:27.250 surrounding Arab countries through the Abraham Accords. This defense pact 0:03:27.250 --> 0:03:30.530 could signal the potential end of that plan, with these 0:03:30.530 --> 0:03:34.370 countries relying less on the U.S. and more on one another. 0:03:34.730 --> 0:03:38.930 It's possible another alliance could be forming to counterbalance this one. 0:03:39.170 --> 0:03:41.890 Over the past several years, India and Israel have been 0:03:41.890 --> 0:03:46.890 developing a major defense partnership with India, purchasing Israel's military 0:03:46.890 --> 0:03:50.690 technology and hardware, while also supplying Israel with weapons and 0:03:50.690 --> 0:03:54.890 ammunition that in the past came from Europe and the U.S.. Israel, 0:03:54.930 --> 0:04:00.120 Greece and Cyprus have also been quietly partnering economically and militarily. 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:03.400 If the U.S. is unable or unwilling to assert its 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:06.520 leadership in the region, it's possible there could be three 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:10.520 spheres of influence vying for power Turkey wanting to rebuild 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:15.280 that Sunni Muslim Ottoman Empire, Iran trying to refashion a 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:20.200 Shiite Persian Empire, and Israel, India, Greece and Cyprus trying 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:24.480 to forge a defensive alliance based on technology and common threats. 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:27.000 This is the land in the book from Moody Radio, 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:29.440 a look at current events based in the region right now. 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:33.200 Israel officially rejected the 15 point plan by the Board 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:36.720 of Peace for Gaza's reconstruction. How does this impact the 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:40.400 future of Gaza, and will it impact Israel's relationship with 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:42.040 President Trump and the U.S.? 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:46.280 Yeah, apparently everything isn't as it seems. President Trump doesn't 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:50.040 appear to have been bothered by Prime Minister Netanyahu's public rejection, 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.320 and Netanyahu's statement needs to be understood, I think, in 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:56.940 light of Israel's current election campaign. It's something of an 0:04:56.940 --> 0:05:01.460 election posturing, if you will. A US official reportedly said 0:05:01.460 --> 0:05:05.419 the US wasn't bothered by Netanyahu's public stance against the plan, 0:05:05.420 --> 0:05:09.260 focusing instead on what's actually happening in Gaza. Israel has 0:05:09.260 --> 0:05:11.940 dialed back some of its strikes in Gaza and has 0:05:11.940 --> 0:05:14.900 been gradually returning to the yellow line, which was the 0:05:14.900 --> 0:05:18.700 demarcation line when the cease fire was implemented. In addition, 0:05:18.740 --> 0:05:21.860 the US and the mediators agreed with Israel's demand that 0:05:21.900 --> 0:05:24.780 Hamas needs to begin disarming. The head of the Board 0:05:24.779 --> 0:05:26.860 of Peace stressed that the goal is to make sure 0:05:26.900 --> 0:05:30.660 Gaza is never again a threat to Israeli security. The 0:05:30.660 --> 0:05:34.260 plan is that Israel will remain in place until sector 0:05:34.260 --> 0:05:38.020 by sector. The decommissioning of weapons is certified with the 0:05:38.020 --> 0:05:41.979 weapons first gathered and then rendered unusable. Only then would 0:05:42.020 --> 0:05:45.900 Israel pull back from that sector. Meanwhile, other countries continue 0:05:45.900 --> 0:05:50.060 to join the International stabilisation force in Gaza. Uganda became 0:05:50.060 --> 0:05:53.770 the most recent nation agreeing to deploy its troops there. 0:05:54.010 --> 0:05:56.890 So in spite of the headlines, at least for now, 0:05:57.210 --> 0:06:00.330 the process in Gaza does seem to be moving forward, 0:06:00.330 --> 0:06:03.090 though not as smoothly as some might have wished. 0:06:03.370 --> 0:06:06.450 Charlie, where is the logic in assuming that after Hamas 0:06:06.450 --> 0:06:10.530 shot thousands of rockets into Israel started a war, Israel 0:06:10.529 --> 0:06:13.210 should have to pay anything for Gaza's reconstruction? 0:06:13.529 --> 0:06:16.290 Well, and I think Israel's basically saying they're not planning 0:06:16.290 --> 0:06:19.570 on paying anything. The coalition's been trying to secure funds 0:06:19.570 --> 0:06:22.890 from other countries. The problem is that with Iran hitting 0:06:22.890 --> 0:06:26.170 the UAE and Saudi Arabia and other countries, the money 0:06:26.170 --> 0:06:28.730 that they were expecting to come in for Gaza's rebuilding 0:06:29.290 --> 0:06:32.729 may not be there. So this process may take longer 0:06:32.730 --> 0:06:35.130 than expected, but I don't think Israel's planning on spending 0:06:35.130 --> 0:06:38.090 the money. They're more concerned about their security. And they're saying, 0:06:38.089 --> 0:06:40.210 we're not going to pull out of Gaza until we 0:06:40.210 --> 0:06:42.170 know that Hamas isn't going to be there again to 0:06:42.210 --> 0:06:43.290 start all over. 0:06:43.770 --> 0:06:48.290 We know Israel's election process is complex. Can you simplify 0:06:48.290 --> 0:06:51.169 all the current maneuvering to help us understand just a 0:06:51.170 --> 0:06:52.720 bit better what's taking place? 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.320 Well, I'll try, but as near as I can tell, 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.080 there are three keys that we need to understand to 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:01.240 get a handle on their election process. The first is 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:03.520 to realize that people vote for a party, and not 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:06.480 for individual candidates. For a party to make it into 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:10.840 the Knesset, it needs to receive at least 3.25% of 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:14.320 the total votes cast. Reach that goal and your party 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:17.360 has at least four seats in the Knesset. Get just 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:20.280 under that goal, and your party receives no seats in 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.600 the Knesset, and all the votes that were given for 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:26.080 your party were wasted. The second key is to realize 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:28.400 that the goal isn't just to get elected, but to 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:31.440 be able to build a coalition government after the election. 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:34.920 That's why smaller parties or parties on the bubble often 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:38.480 merge with other parties to boost the total number of votes. 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.000 But that can be a gamble because it's possible the 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:44.920 merger can make your party less attractive to your potential voters. 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:49.520 A brilliant alliance on paper could prove disastrous as the 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:53.030 election campaign unfolds. And then the third key is to 0:07:53.070 --> 0:07:57.470 realize that voter preferences swing wildly during the election season. 0:07:57.470 --> 0:08:00.350 As new parties and alliances form, they often receive a 0:08:00.350 --> 0:08:03.390 strong bounce in the polls. But then, once voters look 0:08:03.390 --> 0:08:08.350 more closely, that support declines. Right now, Netanyahu and Likud 0:08:08.350 --> 0:08:12.550 are polling at 24 seats, while Gadi Eisenkot Yashar party 0:08:12.550 --> 0:08:16.390 is just behind at 23 seats. Naftali Bennett and Yair 0:08:16.430 --> 0:08:19.470 Lapid's together party. This is one of those mergers seems 0:08:19.470 --> 0:08:23.230 to have dropped and finally stabilized at around 13 seats. 0:08:23.510 --> 0:08:27.470 It doesn't appear that Netanyahu's current coalition or the coalition 0:08:27.510 --> 0:08:30.550 of parties around Eisenkot, yet have enough votes to form 0:08:30.550 --> 0:08:33.750 a governing coalition. The remaining seats appear to be in 0:08:33.750 --> 0:08:36.430 the hands of the different Arab parties. Now watch to 0:08:36.470 --> 0:08:40.510 see if Mansour Abbas Arab Ra'am party will try to 0:08:40.550 --> 0:08:44.910 join the opposition coalition. That happened once before with Naftali 0:08:44.910 --> 0:08:47.830 Bennett when he was prime minister, and apparently there are 0:08:47.830 --> 0:08:51.140 at least some discussions underway now. Now, with two more 0:08:51.140 --> 0:08:53.140 months to go. Anything can happen. 0:08:53.660 --> 0:08:57.580 Fighting cancer but without drugs. That sounds like an alternative 0:08:57.620 --> 0:09:02.220 treatment offered by fringe medical practices. But this innovative technology 0:09:02.220 --> 0:09:06.340 is being developed by researchers at the Technion Israel Institute 0:09:06.340 --> 0:09:09.220 of Technology. Tell us more about this latest research coming 0:09:09.220 --> 0:09:10.780 out of Amazing Israel. Charlie. 0:09:11.059 --> 0:09:15.020 Yeah. This new cancer fighting technology uses advanced nanoparticles that 0:09:15.020 --> 0:09:17.820 carry no drugs at all. The initial focus for this 0:09:17.820 --> 0:09:21.940 research is aggressive triple negative breast cancer, which has rapid 0:09:21.940 --> 0:09:26.420 progression and high resistance to conventional therapies. The cancer hijacks 0:09:26.420 --> 0:09:29.420 a person's white blood cells into supporting its growth and 0:09:29.420 --> 0:09:32.900 preventing the immune system from attacking it effectively. This new 0:09:32.900 --> 0:09:36.500 approach acts by having the nanoparticles compete with the white 0:09:36.500 --> 0:09:39.660 blood cells for binding sites in the tumor. They accumulate 0:09:39.660 --> 0:09:43.500 in very high concentrations around the tumor and inhibit its growth. 0:09:43.700 --> 0:09:47.340 The nanoparticles can be manufactured in quantity, and the materials 0:09:47.340 --> 0:09:51.530 are already classified by the FDA as generally recognized as safe, 0:09:51.530 --> 0:09:55.090 which could help its transition to clinical trials. The treatment 0:09:55.090 --> 0:09:58.370 represents a conceptual shift. It doesn't work through the release 0:09:58.370 --> 0:10:02.490 of active substances, but from the biological information encoded on 0:10:02.490 --> 0:10:05.850 the surface of the nanoparticle itself, it's the interaction with 0:10:05.850 --> 0:10:08.970 the immune system that triggers the therapeutic effect. Now, there's 0:10:08.970 --> 0:10:11.929 still a long road ahead until final adoption, but the 0:10:11.929 --> 0:10:14.570 researchers hope the treatment will open doors to a new 0:10:14.570 --> 0:10:18.290 generation of cancer therapies, and that would deliver another benefit 0:10:18.290 --> 0:10:21.809 to the world from these dedicated scientists in Israel. 0:10:22.090 --> 0:10:24.170 And that's a look at current events from the Middle East, 0:10:24.170 --> 0:10:26.170 where we're going to hear a report from someone who 0:10:26.170 --> 0:10:29.250 has just returned from Israel, a guy who led a 0:10:29.250 --> 0:10:31.650 tour to the Holy Land said it went great. He's 0:10:31.650 --> 0:10:34.570 got some cool stories, some great insights and more for us. 0:10:34.770 --> 0:10:37.050 So stick around for more on the land and the book, 0:10:37.050 --> 0:10:55.160 our website, The land and the book.org. If you've traveled 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:58.439 to Israel, you know how difficult it is to effectively 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:01.880 share what you've seen and experienced. If only people could 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:05.920 wrap their minds around this. We say they'd be changed forever. Well, 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:08.760 since his first visit to Israel back in 2000, today's 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:12.480 guest has been doing just that. He's back recently from 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.760 the Holy Land and shares what it's like to tour 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:18.520 the Holy Land in today's climate. Next. Hey, welcome back 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:21.280 to the land and the book. I'm John Geiger, and 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:24.640 just before we fly off to Israel, let's ponder another 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:28.079 great idea for sharing Jesus with a Jewish friend here 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:31.560 at home. Do you hear these conversations week after week 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:32.960 on the land in the book? And you say, I 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.679 don't really live near many Jewish people. How can I 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:39.000 still show practical love and support for the Jewish community? 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:42.000 Let's ask Roy Schwartz. He's with Chosen People Ministries. Roy. 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:46.140 Well, I think regularly praying for Israel and for the 0:11:46.140 --> 0:11:48.940 Jewish people, understanding that they have a key part in 0:11:48.940 --> 0:11:53.059 the future of our future and the preparations of God's 0:11:53.059 --> 0:11:57.339 setting up his soon return. Realizing that there is an 0:11:57.340 --> 0:12:01.700 inextricable link for us as believers to the Jewish people, 0:12:01.700 --> 0:12:04.660 that that our Messiah is Jewish, that our God is 0:12:04.660 --> 0:12:08.580 Jewish in sending His Son, and that his faithfulness to 0:12:08.620 --> 0:12:13.660 that covenant is ours as well. And so as you 0:12:14.059 --> 0:12:16.420 think on what we're learning here in the land, in 0:12:16.420 --> 0:12:19.340 the book and applying that in our own walk in 0:12:19.340 --> 0:12:22.420 our life and our conversations, that'll overflow, and that'll prepare 0:12:22.420 --> 0:12:25.660 you to share with other believers who need to know 0:12:25.660 --> 0:12:29.740 that because today the church is really unaware of the 0:12:29.740 --> 0:12:31.420 the fact that Christianity is Jewish. 0:12:31.460 --> 0:12:33.699 Yeah. And over time, I think don't you think God 0:12:33.700 --> 0:12:36.780 will very likely show you somebody who is Jewish? Bring 0:12:36.780 --> 0:12:38.740 that person into your life as well, if you ask him. 0:12:38.740 --> 0:12:40.820 Yeah. And if you're praying for them, you'll be ready. 0:12:40.860 --> 0:12:43.580 Roy Schwartz is with Chosen People Ministries here on the 0:12:43.580 --> 0:12:48.730 land and the book. Wayne Stiles loves connecting the Bible 0:12:48.730 --> 0:12:52.250 and its lands to life. His goal is to deliver 0:12:52.250 --> 0:12:56.490 practical content to encourage you in your relationship with God. 0:12:56.890 --> 0:12:59.410 For two years, he wrote a weekly column for the 0:12:59.450 --> 0:13:02.850 online edition of The Jerusalem Post. Wayne has also written 0:13:02.850 --> 0:13:06.410 for devotional books which show the practical application of the 0:13:06.410 --> 0:13:09.850 Bible lands to life. Wayne lives in North Texas with 0:13:09.850 --> 0:13:13.050 his wife, Kathy, and the couple has two adult daughters, 0:13:13.090 --> 0:13:16.530 a son in law and two rather precious grandsons. Hey, 0:13:16.530 --> 0:13:18.850 welcome back to the land and the book, Wayne. 0:13:19.370 --> 0:13:23.330 Hey, John. And I'm surprised you remembered all that. That's great. 0:13:23.530 --> 0:13:26.770 Well, a little help from. I think the World Wide 0:13:26.770 --> 0:13:30.210 Web might have been in order there. Hey, Wayne, at 0:13:30.210 --> 0:13:32.730 your website, you comment that Kathy and I took our 0:13:32.730 --> 0:13:35.930 first trip to Israel in 2000, and frankly, I have 0:13:35.929 --> 0:13:38.490 never recovered. I have to ask you, can you remember 0:13:38.490 --> 0:13:42.089 all that time ago what struck you the most that 0:13:42.090 --> 0:13:42.810 first trip? 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:47.000 I definitely can. In fact, that first trip was taken 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:50.480 or led by our good friend Charlie Dyer, and it 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:55.400 was so wonderful. I think our first time to Jerusalem 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:58.400 was probably the thing that sticks out the most. We 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:00.800 got to our hotel and then just walked down the 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.360 street to go to the Old City for the first time, 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:07.080 and I was so giddy. And it was because I 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:11.600 just realized here in this very city, the whole universe 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.360 was redeemed. I've just I've never recovered. 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.440 I love that phrase. The whole universe redeemed. That's a 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.680 that's an insight I've not heard. Thank you for that. Hey, 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:21.960 how many trips though, would you guess you've made to 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.240 the Holy Land in the last quarter century? Wayne. 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.920 Oh good grief. More than 30. My goal is to 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:33.120 beat Charlie Dyer at some point. But if it's any consolation, 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:35.600 I know he's not been to Rome. And I have 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.800 been to all the lands of the Bible, including the, 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:44.590 you know, uh, Jordan, Egypt. Greece, Turkey, Italy, the whole shebang. 0:14:44.630 --> 0:14:48.870 Turkey like 80 times. So that's getting close to Charlie 0:14:48.870 --> 0:14:49.510 territory there. 0:14:49.550 --> 0:14:51.670 Well, you're getting there. But you gotta remember now, he's 0:14:51.670 --> 0:14:55.430 been twice invited to the nation of Iraq. That's also 0:14:55.430 --> 0:14:58.910 a great Bible land. Yep. Hey, uh, you were there 0:14:58.910 --> 0:15:02.070 in Israel with a group recently, and some listeners are saying, 0:15:02.070 --> 0:15:05.710 what with the Iran conflict, never too far out of view. 0:15:06.070 --> 0:15:08.710 I'm assuming some of your friends thought you were nuts 0:15:08.710 --> 0:15:10.270 to lead a group there right now. 0:15:11.030 --> 0:15:14.310 No kidding. Uh, it was literally two weeks ago we 0:15:14.310 --> 0:15:18.150 got back from Jerusalem, and we did have people. In fact, 0:15:18.150 --> 0:15:20.590 the folks that were even on our tour were pretty 0:15:20.630 --> 0:15:23.910 hesitant about going. But, you know, I mean, I can 0:15:23.910 --> 0:15:26.470 tell you when we were there, it was like so 0:15:26.470 --> 0:15:29.310 many other times you read the news, it says one 0:15:29.310 --> 0:15:31.670 thing and you go and experience it, and it is 0:15:31.670 --> 0:15:34.390 a completely different experience. MM. 0:15:34.710 --> 0:15:37.710 Connecting deeper with the Holy Land. That's our goal today 0:15:37.710 --> 0:15:41.100 as we talk with Wayne Styles here on the land 0:15:41.100 --> 0:15:44.380 and the book. Let me ask the obvious was it 0:15:44.380 --> 0:15:47.100 difficult to even travel to Israel from the USA? What 0:15:47.100 --> 0:15:48.260 about flights and all that? 0:15:49.100 --> 0:15:52.340 Yeah, John, I mean, that was probably the most difficult thing. 0:15:52.940 --> 0:15:55.900 All of the people on our tour had either flights 0:15:55.900 --> 0:15:58.940 changed or cancelled. We had our flights cancelled, and so 0:15:58.940 --> 0:16:02.100 we had to rebook. But once we got there and 0:16:02.100 --> 0:16:06.380 got through all the hassle of just transitioning, it was fantastic. 0:16:06.380 --> 0:16:09.980 We had the country pretty much to ourselves and we 0:16:09.980 --> 0:16:12.900 were able to go and enjoy the land as if 0:16:12.900 --> 0:16:15.980 everything was just fine because honestly, it was. 0:16:16.500 --> 0:16:18.660 I'm sure the number one question that people back home 0:16:18.660 --> 0:16:21.500 have asked you is, how safe did you and your 0:16:21.500 --> 0:16:23.100 group feel while there? 0:16:23.940 --> 0:16:27.380 We felt completely safe. And the reason we did is 0:16:27.380 --> 0:16:31.620 because we had a guide. We had a driver who 0:16:31.660 --> 0:16:34.860 knew what was going on. They could keep their ear 0:16:34.860 --> 0:16:37.660 to the ground. And this is just always the case. 0:16:37.660 --> 0:16:41.810 You always want to go with somebody that is aware 0:16:41.810 --> 0:16:44.530 of what's going on, and when that's the case, you 0:16:44.530 --> 0:16:47.970 can go and have a very safe and a very 0:16:47.970 --> 0:16:51.250 meaningful time. In fact, in all the many times that 0:16:51.250 --> 0:16:54.650 I've been over the last 26 years, I can only 0:16:54.650 --> 0:16:57.890 think of a couple of times that our tour has 0:16:57.890 --> 0:17:00.850 been affected. And that was just a change in itinerary. 0:17:01.330 --> 0:17:03.450 Not once did we ever feel unsafe. 0:17:03.970 --> 0:17:07.690 I understand that the original Isaiah scroll was on display 0:17:07.690 --> 0:17:11.010 at the Israel Museum. What was that like? To see 0:17:11.010 --> 0:17:12.770 it with your own eyes? Wayne. 0:17:13.609 --> 0:17:18.130 That was actually fantastic. You know, the Isaiah scroll, the 0:17:18.130 --> 0:17:20.850 facsimile there in the in the shrine of the book 0:17:20.850 --> 0:17:23.650 has been up for decades. We've been able to see 0:17:23.650 --> 0:17:27.810 that no problem. But to look at the real thing, 0:17:27.850 --> 0:17:30.570 I mean, to look down and see the entire Isaiah 0:17:30.609 --> 0:17:34.290 scroll laid out under this glass on a long table. 0:17:34.930 --> 0:17:36.890 You know, honestly, it looked pretty much the same as 0:17:36.890 --> 0:17:40.440 the facsimile, but knowing that that was the real thing. 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:44.240 I mean, not Isaiah's actual text, but the original Dead 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:47.000 Sea Scroll. It was wonderful. In fact, I even was 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:49.600 able to pull together enough of my Hebrew to find 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:54.080 that wonderful chapter 40, verse one that says comfort, comfort 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:57.040 my people. Uh, it was great. And they only let 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.639 you stay in there like five minutes. So you gotta 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:00.560 look quick. 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:05.960 Wayne Stiles loves connecting the Bible and its lands to life. 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.159 He's our guest today in the land and the book. 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:10.640 We're so glad he is. What else were you maybe 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.320 able to see in the land or at that museum 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:15.840 specifically that you haven't seen before? 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:19.600 Oh, wow. Honestly, there's not a lot that I hadn't 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:23.120 seen before, but the joy that I get is going 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:26.160 with people who've never been right. And it's always them. 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.000 Them that, uh, that gives you the great joy of 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:31.240 being in the land again. One of the things that 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:33.840 was kind of interesting though, John, was we went up 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:38.030 on the Temple Mount on the holiday, called Tisha B'Av. 0:18:38.430 --> 0:18:42.630 That's the day, I should say, the date in history 0:18:42.630 --> 0:18:46.350 where the first temple and the Second Temple were destroyed. 0:18:46.550 --> 0:18:50.310 And so it's the date every year that many Israelis 0:18:50.350 --> 0:18:53.510 want to go up onto the Temple Mount. So we 0:18:53.550 --> 0:18:56.830 and hundreds of our closest friends went up in this 0:18:56.830 --> 0:19:00.510 line to the Temple Mount. And while that was pretty special, 0:19:00.510 --> 0:19:03.110 I guess because of all Israel wanting to be there, 0:19:03.350 --> 0:19:06.750 it was what happened after we left that evening, I 0:19:06.750 --> 0:19:10.510 was scrolling my newsfeed and I saw an article with 0:19:10.510 --> 0:19:12.510 the headline. In fact, I pulled the headline up so 0:19:12.510 --> 0:19:15.429 I could read it to you verbatim. It says, and 0:19:15.430 --> 0:19:17.470 I won't tell you what news source this is from, 0:19:17.470 --> 0:19:20.390 because that will sort of clue you in onto why 0:19:20.390 --> 0:19:24.870 this isn't true. But here's the headline. More than 4200 0:19:24.910 --> 0:19:30.189 Israelis storm Al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem. And I looked at 0:19:30.230 --> 0:19:33.270 that and thought, wow, that must have happened after we left. 0:19:33.270 --> 0:19:36.129 And so I, I looked down and read the article 0:19:36.130 --> 0:19:38.810 and nope, they were just saying that, you know, thousands 0:19:38.810 --> 0:19:44.290 of Israeli settlers, quote unquote, went up on the Temple 0:19:44.290 --> 0:19:46.530 Mount that day because it was to Shabbat. There was 0:19:46.530 --> 0:19:51.570 no storming. There was no violence. It was just media hype. 0:19:51.730 --> 0:19:54.570 And the irony is, at the bottom of this website, 0:19:54.570 --> 0:19:59.969 it says you rely on this website for truth and transparency. Huh? 0:20:00.530 --> 0:20:05.370 Wow. Let's talk further about logistics, hotels, restaurants, sites. Any 0:20:05.410 --> 0:20:07.450 observations comments stories there? 0:20:08.530 --> 0:20:11.649 You know, the the sites were they were glad to 0:20:11.650 --> 0:20:14.610 see us because they have not had any tourists or 0:20:14.609 --> 0:20:18.129 many tourists in the in the months prior to our going. 0:20:18.650 --> 0:20:23.290 In fact, the baptism site, the baptism site actually opened 0:20:23.290 --> 0:20:26.410 for us to baptize one person. And then after we left, 0:20:26.410 --> 0:20:29.770 they closed down. So it was. It's sort of the 0:20:29.770 --> 0:20:33.130 best of times, worst of times in that for us 0:20:33.130 --> 0:20:35.600 it was the best because we had everything to ourselves, 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:39.639 but the worst because Israel is really suffering and struggling. 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:42.080 They need visitors. They need tourists. 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:45.359 You're listening to The land and the book. I'm John Geiger. 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:50.080 We're joined today by Wayne Styles. Based on your experience, Wayne, 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:53.520 would you say you do or do not recommend taking 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:56.240 or hosting a Holy Land tour right now? 0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:01.360 Absolutely. I would recommend that you go because first of all, 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:04.000 you're going to have a wonderful time because if you 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:08.440 go with someone who understands the political goings on, you 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:10.959 will be safe. You will be able to look at 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:14.400 all the sites that connect with the Bible. Our tour 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:16.719 went two weeks ago during all the things that are 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:20.040 going on with Iran that we're aware of, but also 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:23.040 a couple of years ago during the Lebanon War, we 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:26.920 went as well, and we had a great time because 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:29.800 we knew where to go, where not to go. And 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:32.670 I really do recommend that you make the journey. 0:21:33.350 --> 0:21:35.790 I want to transition now to talk about some tools 0:21:35.790 --> 0:21:38.670 that you have created with your ministry to help listeners 0:21:38.670 --> 0:21:41.070 better connect with the Bible and the land where it 0:21:41.070 --> 0:21:43.950 was written. What's got you most excited these days? Wayne. 0:21:44.790 --> 0:21:47.550 I think what most excites me about the tools that 0:21:47.550 --> 0:21:52.910 I've created on my website is a Bible reading program 0:21:52.910 --> 0:21:55.590 that allows you to read through the entire Bible in 0:21:55.590 --> 0:21:58.350 a couple of years, and every week you have a 0:21:58.350 --> 0:22:02.070 video that gives you a context of a site or 0:22:02.109 --> 0:22:05.950 some geographical or archaeological aspect of what you're reading in 0:22:05.950 --> 0:22:09.150 the scriptures. So it gives it gives a great context 0:22:09.190 --> 0:22:12.149 to the Word of God and into your walk with God. 0:22:12.830 --> 0:22:17.070 At the website, I've noticed you've got devotionals, books, audio DVDs. 0:22:17.070 --> 0:22:19.910 Help us sort through what tools might be a good 0:22:19.910 --> 0:22:23.150 start for our listeners and why. Maybe different people who 0:22:23.150 --> 0:22:25.470 are at different points in their journey or their understanding 0:22:25.470 --> 0:22:27.910 of the Holy Land. Give us some tips here. Wayne. 0:22:28.590 --> 0:22:33.100 Yeah, the website that introduces you to walking the Bible 0:22:33.100 --> 0:22:36.980 lands is what the website is called. It's wonderful because 0:22:37.020 --> 0:22:40.740 it gives anybody, at any level an introduction to the 0:22:40.740 --> 0:22:44.300 lands of the Bible and how that can actually connect 0:22:44.300 --> 0:22:47.420 or help you give a greater understanding to the Word 0:22:47.420 --> 0:22:51.420 of God itself. So I can't recommend anything better than that. 0:22:51.420 --> 0:22:55.419 Just go to the website and begin watching the videos 0:22:55.420 --> 0:22:57.740 and read your Bible right along with it. 0:22:57.780 --> 0:23:00.219 Yeah, you've got one series called Reading the Bible Lands, 0:23:00.220 --> 0:23:03.419 one called Walking the Bible Lands. What's the difference between them? 0:23:04.060 --> 0:23:08.060 The walking the Bible lands is just the videos. You 0:23:08.060 --> 0:23:10.380 pretty much look at them a la carte as you 0:23:10.380 --> 0:23:13.419 would like to, based on your own personal study or 0:23:13.420 --> 0:23:17.379 what you're interested in. The Reading the Bible Program is 0:23:17.380 --> 0:23:20.500 a program where you read the Bible, and the videos 0:23:20.500 --> 0:23:23.780 are basically given to you right in the reading program. 0:23:24.300 --> 0:23:26.659 How do you think it impacts somebody who travels to 0:23:26.700 --> 0:23:30.609 Israel if they have invested the time before to do 0:23:30.609 --> 0:23:33.130 some of this. Reading the Bible and walking the Bible 0:23:33.130 --> 0:23:35.050 ends content at your website. 0:23:35.450 --> 0:23:38.570 Sure. Well, you and I both know, John, that when 0:23:38.570 --> 0:23:40.490 we go to Israel for the first time, or even 0:23:40.490 --> 0:23:44.530 for the fifth time, there's no way to take in everything. 0:23:44.530 --> 0:23:48.210 There's so much so fast that it's a bit overwhelming, 0:23:48.210 --> 0:23:51.810 even if you've been multiple times. The great thing about 0:23:51.810 --> 0:23:54.170 the website is that it allows you to go at 0:23:54.170 --> 0:23:56.850 your own speed, your own pace, and it reminds you 0:23:56.850 --> 0:23:59.649 of things you've seen when you went. And it also 0:23:59.650 --> 0:24:03.130 shows you many things that your tour never had time 0:24:03.130 --> 0:24:06.050 to see. Plus, even if you just went to Israel, 0:24:06.050 --> 0:24:09.530 there's all those other countries, all those other Bible lands 0:24:09.530 --> 0:24:12.530 that most people in their life are not going to 0:24:12.530 --> 0:24:13.330 be able to see. 0:24:13.730 --> 0:24:15.090 Yeah, you're so right. You know, when you go to 0:24:15.130 --> 0:24:17.610 the Holy Land on a tour, it all makes sense 0:24:17.609 --> 0:24:19.570 when you're there. Then you come back and you're looking 0:24:19.570 --> 0:24:21.250 at your pictures and you're trying to figure out, now, 0:24:21.250 --> 0:24:24.490 what was that? There's just so much stacked on top 0:24:24.490 --> 0:24:27.170 of each other all day long. It's almost more than 0:24:27.170 --> 0:24:29.920 you can take in. So I think there's value in 0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:33.120 processing it more slowly in a way that you allow 0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:35.040 us to do with the website there. Got to ask 0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:38.080 you one last question. How should we be praying for Israel? 0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:41.439 You're just back. What insights come to your mind as 0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:44.320 you think about praying for Israel and by transference? How 0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:46.560 can our listeners be praying for Israel? Wayne. 0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:50.160 Boy, that's such a good question. You know, when when 0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:53.760 we were there, we saw just the great need for 0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:57.880 Israel not only to have tourists for their economic help, 0:24:57.880 --> 0:25:02.320 but also just the spiritual need that they have as 0:25:02.320 --> 0:25:06.040 they pray before the Western Wall, as they are looking 0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:08.840 forward to a Messiah that's going to come and basically 0:25:08.840 --> 0:25:12.159 just be a political deliverer. You and I know and 0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:15.080 our listeners know that there is so much more that 0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:18.800 they need. They need a spiritual insight. They need the 0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:21.480 Lord God to open their heart, to believe in their 0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:26.680 Messiah Jesus, and to, to usher in this wonderful kingdom 0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:29.350 that the Messiah promises to give Israel. 0:25:29.990 --> 0:25:31.550 Your website again. Wayne is. 0:25:32.190 --> 0:25:35.590 The website is walking the Bible lands.com. 0:25:35.869 --> 0:25:38.070 And we'll link you there as you visit us at 0:25:38.109 --> 0:25:43.030 the land and thebook.org. Appreciate the visit. Thanks for sharing, Wayne. 0:25:43.270 --> 0:25:45.910 Oh, thanks, John. It's always great to talk with you. 0:25:46.310 --> 0:25:49.270 I'm looking forward to a great conversation with Gerald Peterman next. 0:25:49.310 --> 0:25:52.790 He's got a fresh set of Bible questions, always stimulating. 0:25:52.790 --> 0:25:55.550 So stay with us here on the land and the book. 0:26:06.869 --> 0:26:09.030 Thanks for staying with us here at the land and 0:26:09.030 --> 0:26:11.869 the book. I'm John Geiger with me, Gerald Peterman of 0:26:11.869 --> 0:26:14.949 the Moody Bible Institute faculty. We think you're going to 0:26:14.950 --> 0:26:18.310 love what's ahead. First, though, as believers, there's a great 0:26:18.310 --> 0:26:21.389 need for us to share the gospel with the Jewish people. 0:26:21.390 --> 0:26:25.070 In fact, many of our listeners faithfully pray and partner 0:26:25.070 --> 0:26:28.580 with ministries that are doing just that. But what if 0:26:28.619 --> 0:26:31.619 you could personally take part in bringing the gospel to 0:26:31.660 --> 0:26:34.420 Jewish people? Well, our friends at Life in Messiah would 0:26:34.420 --> 0:26:38.100 love the opportunity to get believers like you involved in 0:26:38.100 --> 0:26:42.500 Jewish ministry, and they regularly organize outreach teams to Brooklyn, 0:26:42.500 --> 0:26:46.460 to South Florida, even to Israel, outside times of conflict. 0:26:46.820 --> 0:26:49.940 And these ministry trips will equip you to understand how 0:26:50.220 --> 0:26:52.820 to share the gospel with Jewish people. They'll give you 0:26:52.820 --> 0:26:56.300 the opportunity to actively share your faith and provide tools 0:26:56.300 --> 0:26:58.740 and resources you'll take home with you and keep on 0:26:58.740 --> 0:27:01.700 using if you want to get hands on training. Practical 0:27:01.700 --> 0:27:05.300 experience in Jewish evangelism. You can learn more by visiting 0:27:05.340 --> 0:27:09.899 Life in messiah.org and clicking on the Moody radio button. 0:27:09.900 --> 0:27:15.500 That's life in messiah.org. All right, doctor Peterman, welcome to 0:27:15.540 --> 0:27:18.020 this segment here on the program you all set with 0:27:18.020 --> 0:27:20.060 a fresh set of questions. I can see my goodness. 0:27:20.060 --> 0:27:20.940 A whole lot of oh yeah. 0:27:20.980 --> 0:27:22.300 Oh yeah. Good to be here. 0:27:22.340 --> 0:27:25.090 By the way if you are struggling with something and 0:27:25.090 --> 0:27:27.330 wish you had an answer to that question. Why not 0:27:27.330 --> 0:27:30.850 funnel it our way? Our is really Doctor Peterman's way 0:27:30.850 --> 0:27:33.290 because he's the guy that does the homework. You can 0:27:33.290 --> 0:27:38.370 email him at the land and the book@moody.edu. Let me 0:27:38.369 --> 0:27:44.609 slow it down. The land and the book@moody.edu. Let's dig 0:27:44.609 --> 0:27:49.770 right in with Robert's question. Was Jesus baptized twice? He says, 0:27:49.770 --> 0:27:52.609 I think probably not, but I ask because in Matthew, 0:27:52.810 --> 0:27:55.409 the voice from heaven says, this is my beloved son, 0:27:55.410 --> 0:27:58.090 with whom I am well pleased. But in Mark and 0:27:58.090 --> 0:28:01.570 Luke's account, it's. You are my beloved son. With you 0:28:01.570 --> 0:28:04.330 I am well pleased. Can you help us through this? 0:28:04.369 --> 0:28:08.570 This is great. We have so many listeners who think 0:28:08.609 --> 0:28:11.450 and they ponder this. This is wonderful stuff. In these 0:28:11.450 --> 0:28:14.930 days in English, quotation marks are very important for us. 0:28:14.930 --> 0:28:18.330 But in many cultures and in the ancient world, quotation 0:28:18.330 --> 0:28:22.730 marks were not important. So I conclude the voice from 0:28:22.730 --> 0:28:28.590 heaven speaks from father to son. You are my beloved son. 0:28:28.590 --> 0:28:33.110 But Matthew says, this is my beloved son. Because then 0:28:33.109 --> 0:28:36.470 Matthew kind of turns it into a message for us 0:28:37.030 --> 0:28:41.590 to apply it to ourselves. And he hasn't distorted the message, 0:28:41.590 --> 0:28:45.110 but he's made it kind of more applicable for the situation. 0:28:45.350 --> 0:28:50.190 So two baptisms? No, one, they just get presented slightly differently. 0:28:50.750 --> 0:28:55.830 Linda says, will non-believers see the Christians leave for the rapture, 0:28:56.150 --> 0:28:58.469 or will they see people rise from the dead? I 0:28:58.470 --> 0:29:00.110 know it's all going to happen very quickly. 0:29:00.270 --> 0:29:03.590 She's right because Paul says in first Corinthians 15, this 0:29:03.590 --> 0:29:05.910 is going to be in the twinkling of an eye. 0:29:05.990 --> 0:29:09.270 It's going to happen at the last trumpet. Suddenly. Well, 0:29:09.270 --> 0:29:13.470 there's no particular verse that directly addresses this question, but 0:29:13.470 --> 0:29:17.710 I think the answer to the question is yes, rapture happens. 0:29:17.750 --> 0:29:19.950 Non-Believers are going to see it. They're going to be 0:29:20.230 --> 0:29:24.140 shocked to see us Christians leave talking about the rapture. 0:29:24.260 --> 0:29:28.020 Paul says the Lord himself will descend from heaven, and 0:29:28.020 --> 0:29:31.380 the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who 0:29:31.380 --> 0:29:34.540 are alive will be caught up together with them in 0:29:34.540 --> 0:29:37.300 the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Now 0:29:37.300 --> 0:29:41.740 parts of this sound to me like what happens in 0:29:41.940 --> 0:29:45.380 acts one. You know Jesus is saying goodbye to the 0:29:45.380 --> 0:29:49.700 11 and he ascends and it says, When Jesus had 0:29:49.700 --> 0:29:52.620 said these things, as they were looking on, he was 0:29:52.820 --> 0:29:56.340 lifted up and the cloud took him out of sight. 0:29:56.340 --> 0:29:58.020 This is going to be happening to us. So the 0:29:58.020 --> 0:30:01.820 disciples saw this with Jesus. I think that some non-believers 0:30:01.820 --> 0:30:04.260 can see it with us when we get taken to 0:30:04.260 --> 0:30:04.900 our home. 0:30:05.060 --> 0:30:08.060 That's. Doctor Gerald Peterman of the Moody Bible Institute, teaches 0:30:08.060 --> 0:30:11.460 faithfully there on campus, looking forward, by the way, to 0:30:11.500 --> 0:30:14.900 a brand new semester just ahead. You all prepped and 0:30:14.900 --> 0:30:15.620 ready to go? 0:30:15.660 --> 0:30:18.540 Well, I'm getting there. It's it's it's a lot of work. 0:30:18.580 --> 0:30:20.620 I mean, it's fun, but it's a lot of work. 0:30:20.660 --> 0:30:22.890 I'm I'm about two thirds of the way there. 0:30:22.930 --> 0:30:23.330 Okay. 0:30:23.370 --> 0:30:23.729 Yeah. 0:30:23.970 --> 0:30:28.250 The land and the book@moody.edu is the address to use 0:30:28.250 --> 0:30:30.450 if you want to email your question to him. The 0:30:30.450 --> 0:30:37.410 land and the book@moody.edu. Alan takes us to Ezekiel 37, 0:30:37.450 --> 0:30:40.490 The Valley of Dry Bones. He says, I've always thought 0:30:40.490 --> 0:30:43.810 that this described the regathering of Israel when they accept 0:30:43.810 --> 0:30:46.290 the Messiah. But I recently heard that at the time 0:30:46.330 --> 0:30:50.690 of Jesus, this chapter was interpreted by the Jews, primarily Pharisees, 0:30:51.050 --> 0:30:54.690 as a proof of the bodily resurrection. Paul referred to 0:30:54.730 --> 0:30:58.210 this Jewish belief in acts 23, verse six. Are there 0:30:58.210 --> 0:31:01.730 other biblical references about a belief in a Jewish resurrection? 0:31:02.010 --> 0:31:05.690 I couldn't find anything that tied Ezekiel 37 to this belief. 0:31:05.690 --> 0:31:06.690 Is this valid? 0:31:07.010 --> 0:31:11.490 Yeah, that's a great question. We should read Ezekiel 37 0:31:11.490 --> 0:31:16.490 as about national restoration for Israel. Now, I know it's 0:31:16.490 --> 0:31:18.690 a long chapter and all of it's really good stuff, 0:31:18.690 --> 0:31:22.400 but I'm going to focus in on Ezekiel 3711 to 0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:25.640 14 the Lord said, Son of man, these bones are 0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:29.600 the whole house of Israel. Behold, they say, our bones 0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:32.240 are dried up. Our hope is lost. We're cut off. 0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:35.440 Therefore say to them, thus says the Lord God, behold, 0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:38.200 I will open your graves. I will raise you, O 0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:42.280 my people. I will bring you into the land of Israel. 0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:46.320 That's restoration. And you shall know that I'm the Lord. 0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:50.240 That's an internal change. That's a relational change. And I 0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:53.400 will put my spirit within you, and you shall live. 0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:56.080 And I will place you in your own land. I 0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:59.720 will put my spirit within you. This is new covenant 0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:03.640 way of talking. Now, Ezekiel never mentions a new covenant, 0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:07.240 but he does talk a couple of times about taking 0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:09.959 out Israel's hard heart and giving them a heart of 0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:14.280 flesh that is transformation. So I'm reading Ezekiel 37 is 0:32:14.280 --> 0:32:17.440 about the transformation of Israel. Now, to get back to 0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:20.310 other parts of the question? No, there's no indication anywhere 0:32:20.310 --> 0:32:24.150 in the New Testament that Pharisees went to Ezekiel 37 0:32:24.150 --> 0:32:28.310 as about resurrection. They always viewed it as the restoration 0:32:28.310 --> 0:32:31.950 of national Israel. When we come to this discussion in 0:32:31.950 --> 0:32:34.710 the first century, as we all know, Sadducees don't believe 0:32:34.710 --> 0:32:38.070 in resurrection. That's because they only believe in the Pentateuch. Well, 0:32:38.070 --> 0:32:40.750 Pentateuch is great, but there's more in the Old Testament, right? 0:32:40.910 --> 0:32:43.350 And one last thing to leave us with is Daniel 0:32:43.350 --> 0:32:47.750 12 really important passage about resurrection. What does Daniel say? 0:32:47.790 --> 0:32:50.230 And in those days, many who sleep in the dust 0:32:50.270 --> 0:32:54.830 will awake, some to everlasting life, some to everlasting shame 0:32:54.830 --> 0:32:58.310 and contempt. This is a primary text that Pharisees would 0:32:58.310 --> 0:33:00.070 go to about resurrection. 0:33:00.190 --> 0:33:02.710 So if I'm over in Israel today and I bump 0:33:02.710 --> 0:33:05.070 into an Orthodox Jew as he's making his way to 0:33:05.110 --> 0:33:08.550 the Western Wall, perhaps what is going to be his 0:33:08.550 --> 0:33:10.990 answer if I ask him about resurrection? What is a 0:33:10.990 --> 0:33:14.150 typical response to their idea of resurrection? 0:33:14.190 --> 0:33:19.300 Resurrection is for the Jewish people. Resurrection is a promise 0:33:19.340 --> 0:33:20.300 for Jews. 0:33:20.300 --> 0:33:21.100 That's what they think. 0:33:21.140 --> 0:33:24.740 Yeah, some might apply it to the rest of humanity, 0:33:24.940 --> 0:33:29.060 but it's primarily a promise for Jews. And if Gentiles 0:33:29.060 --> 0:33:30.540 get it, they get it by way of kind of 0:33:30.580 --> 0:33:34.740 like a secondary blessing or stepchildren get blessings. 0:33:35.500 --> 0:33:38.459 All right, let's go to Jonah's question. He's studying Philippians, 0:33:38.780 --> 0:33:41.340 and he says, I started comparing versions of the Bible 0:33:41.340 --> 0:33:43.700 and noticed a problem, as he calls it in Philippians 0:33:43.700 --> 0:33:47.060 two six, the King James says, who, being in the 0:33:47.060 --> 0:33:49.820 form of God, were describing Jesus here, who, being in 0:33:49.820 --> 0:33:52.260 the form of God, thought it not robbery to be 0:33:52.260 --> 0:33:55.820 equal with God. The ESV says, who, though he was 0:33:55.820 --> 0:33:58.700 in the form of God, did not count equality with 0:33:58.700 --> 0:34:01.980 God a thing to be grasped. And the CSB says, 0:34:01.980 --> 0:34:04.700 who existing in the form of God, did not consider 0:34:04.700 --> 0:34:06.940 equality with God as something to be used for his 0:34:06.940 --> 0:34:09.700 own advantage. All right, so what is it with the 0:34:09.700 --> 0:34:12.460 word robbery? Doesn't sound good. Doesn't seem good. Help us 0:34:12.460 --> 0:34:12.940 out here. 0:34:12.980 --> 0:34:17.610 Yeah, that's a great question. Paul here uses a really 0:34:17.610 --> 0:34:22.130 rare Greek idiom. It's found sometimes outside the New Testament, 0:34:22.130 --> 0:34:25.009 but this is the only time this idiom is used 0:34:25.010 --> 0:34:28.930 in the New Testament. I think the CSB is getting 0:34:28.930 --> 0:34:31.649 much closer to what's going on here. Here's the way 0:34:31.650 --> 0:34:34.690 I would paraphrase it something like this our Lord Jesus 0:34:34.690 --> 0:34:40.370 has always existed as equal with his Heavenly Father. Unlike 0:34:40.370 --> 0:34:43.129 selfish humans, he didn't decide, oh, this is a great 0:34:43.130 --> 0:34:46.090 place for me to exploit use for my own advantage. No. 0:34:46.570 --> 0:34:50.410 Rather than doing that, he gave up himself. What does 0:34:50.410 --> 0:34:53.890 Paul say in Philippians two? He took on the form 0:34:53.890 --> 0:34:58.410 of a servant, emptied himself by taking on service. So 0:34:58.410 --> 0:35:01.370 I think the CSB gets the idiom best here. 0:35:01.810 --> 0:35:05.090 This idea of of emptying himself is just such a, 0:35:05.489 --> 0:35:09.130 to me, a vast ocean of thought worth pondering and 0:35:09.450 --> 0:35:13.570 so instructive and such a high and holy model for us. 0:35:14.130 --> 0:35:16.989 I often go to Philippians two and I'm just sort 0:35:16.989 --> 0:35:17.830 of lost in it. 0:35:18.390 --> 0:35:21.150 Philippians two is one of the high points in terms 0:35:21.150 --> 0:35:25.230 of Christology and the Christological hymn. A lot of people call, 0:35:25.270 --> 0:35:28.589 a lot of scholars will call Philippians 2AA Christological hymn. 0:35:28.590 --> 0:35:31.589 I was primarily going to chapter two, verse six. Let 0:35:31.590 --> 0:35:33.710 me go back there just one more time. Please do. Um, 0:35:34.150 --> 0:35:39.509 even though he exists as God, he empties himself. Now, 0:35:39.510 --> 0:35:43.950 the question some people will ask is empty himself. Of what? 0:35:43.989 --> 0:35:47.230 That's not the question to ask. Okay. When he empties himself, 0:35:47.510 --> 0:35:51.150 he doesn't give up anything. The rest of verse six 0:35:51.150 --> 0:35:55.989 explains what emptying means. He emptied himself by taking on. 0:35:56.110 --> 0:35:59.109 In other words, he empties by adding. He. And he 0:35:59.110 --> 0:36:02.430 adds the form of a servant, whereas he is in 0:36:02.430 --> 0:36:06.509 this godly position of master and Lord. What he adds 0:36:06.510 --> 0:36:12.070 is service. So that. That is astounding, like totally shocked, 0:36:12.150 --> 0:36:14.980 shocking In response to the position that he has of 0:36:14.980 --> 0:36:17.180 power and authority and might. 0:36:17.180 --> 0:36:20.819 I think Philippians two is a really, really worthy chapter. Well, 0:36:21.020 --> 0:36:23.180 every book of the Bible is every chapter, but but 0:36:23.219 --> 0:36:26.739 worth memorizing some of those verses to hang on to them. 0:36:26.739 --> 0:36:29.580 Let nothing be done. I memorize it in the King James. 0:36:29.620 --> 0:36:32.779 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory, but in 0:36:32.780 --> 0:36:37.060 lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than themselves. 0:36:37.260 --> 0:36:39.980 To me, that's the great argument, buster. You know. Right. 0:36:40.020 --> 0:36:43.900 Right away. So much there. Philippians chapter two. Well, we've 0:36:43.900 --> 0:36:46.580 run out of time. But the good news is, Lord willing, 0:36:46.580 --> 0:36:49.580 we'll be back next week with another conversation about, you 0:36:49.620 --> 0:36:52.779 guessed it, your Bible questions. So get yours to us, 0:36:52.780 --> 0:36:57.780 will you? In an email to the land and the book@moody.edu. 0:36:58.219 --> 0:37:02.620 The land and the book@moody.edu. One more segment to go 0:37:02.620 --> 0:37:06.299 on the broadcast. It's Charlie Dyer's devotional right here on 0:37:06.300 --> 0:37:22.330 the land and the book. Power. We're obsessed with it. 0:37:22.330 --> 0:37:26.290 Everybody is. Whether it's a government, whether it's a corporation 0:37:26.530 --> 0:37:29.330 or you and me, we like power. I remember when 0:37:29.330 --> 0:37:32.090 our kids were small, there was a TV program called 0:37:32.090 --> 0:37:35.529 Power Rangers. Okay, now I'm dating myself, but you get 0:37:35.530 --> 0:37:38.089 the idea. Welcome back to the land and the book 0:37:38.090 --> 0:37:41.089 from Moody Radio. I'm John Geiger, joined by our host, 0:37:41.090 --> 0:37:44.130 Charlie Dyer, who's devotional I understand has something to do 0:37:44.130 --> 0:37:46.130 with power. Charlie, is that true? 0:37:46.170 --> 0:37:48.250 It does. John. We're going to talk about the mighty 0:37:48.290 --> 0:37:50.089 power of God, but we're going to do it on 0:37:50.090 --> 0:37:50.690 a bus trip. 0:37:50.730 --> 0:37:52.890 All right. We'll look forward to that after we pause 0:37:52.930 --> 0:37:55.730 for this testimony from somebody who's also been to the 0:37:55.730 --> 0:37:58.130 Holy Land and wants to share this reflection with you 0:37:58.130 --> 0:37:58.610 and me. 0:38:02.969 --> 0:38:04.690 One of the ways I don't think I'll ever be 0:38:04.690 --> 0:38:09.009 the same after being on this trip with Charlie and 0:38:09.010 --> 0:38:13.440 John is when I preach, when I speak about the word, 0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:16.120 I will be able to make the connection now between 0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:20.919 the geography and the Word of God. One thing that 0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:25.360 just stands out to me is that such an unassuming, simple, 0:38:25.600 --> 0:38:28.960 out of the way place that God chose to send 0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:34.000 his Son, the Messiah, to share with the world salvation. 0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:37.040 And I guess when you see the land, you see 0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:42.160 that it's just so ordinary and even subordinary sometimes. So 0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:46.000 wherever Jesus comes in, it's not the geography, it's the 0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:49.040 person of Christ that makes a difference. So I think 0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:50.720 that's what's going to stick with me. 0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:55.760 All right, Charlie, looking forward to your devotional. Have at it. 0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:58.160 Well thanks, John. Yeah. This is week two of our 0:38:58.160 --> 0:39:01.000 three week drive down the Jordan Valley. And I hope 0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:04.000 you're enjoying the drive so far. You know, by bus, 0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:07.840 this trip takes two hours. But what an amazing transformation 0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:10.509 in that short period of time around the Sea of 0:39:10.510 --> 0:39:13.310 Galilee and just to the south. Last week we passed 0:39:13.310 --> 0:39:16.670 fields of vegetables and groves of fruit trees. But once 0:39:16.670 --> 0:39:19.670 we passed Beit She'an, last week's crossing point in the 0:39:19.670 --> 0:39:23.509 Jordan Valley, the farms have given way to fields of grass. 0:39:23.870 --> 0:39:27.390 Right now, those fields are golden brown, almost the color 0:39:27.390 --> 0:39:30.350 of straw. But in about two months the winter rains 0:39:30.350 --> 0:39:33.630 will begin and tender green blades of grass will push 0:39:33.630 --> 0:39:37.310 their way past that brown stubble. A few months later, 0:39:37.310 --> 0:39:40.710 flowers will appear, sprinkling the green carpet with swaths of 0:39:40.710 --> 0:39:44.750 color red, blue, yellow and white. We're now past the 0:39:44.750 --> 0:39:48.230 region of farmers and into the place of shepherds. We're 0:39:48.230 --> 0:39:51.029 almost halfway down the Jordan Valley, between the Sea of 0:39:51.030 --> 0:39:53.870 Galilee and the Dead Sea, and we're approaching the next 0:39:53.870 --> 0:39:57.109 crossing point on the Jordan River. Just ahead, on the 0:39:57.110 --> 0:39:59.230 other side of the river, you can see a break 0:39:59.230 --> 0:40:02.470 in the hills. That valley is the Jabbok River, which 0:40:02.469 --> 0:40:05.509 carves its way through the hills of Jordan on its 0:40:05.550 --> 0:40:08.460 way to the Jordan River. For thousands of years, the 0:40:08.460 --> 0:40:12.940 Jabbok River provided a convenient route for travelers. Now, after 0:40:12.940 --> 0:40:15.979 heading south from Damascus on the King's Highway, they could 0:40:15.980 --> 0:40:19.180 turn west along the Jabbok River into the Jordan. And then, 0:40:19.180 --> 0:40:22.140 just a few miles further south, the Jordan River could 0:40:22.140 --> 0:40:26.020 be forded. That crossing point was at a place called Adam. 0:40:26.460 --> 0:40:28.180 The minute we hear the word Adam, we think of 0:40:28.180 --> 0:40:30.739 the first man in the Bible. But this crossing point 0:40:30.739 --> 0:40:33.620 on the Jordan has nothing to do with that. Adam. 0:40:33.980 --> 0:40:37.020 The Adam here is a place, not a person. After 0:40:37.020 --> 0:40:39.980 crossing the Jordan at Adam, a traveler could head into 0:40:39.980 --> 0:40:43.500 the Promised Land through a natural valley that eventually wound 0:40:43.500 --> 0:40:46.540 its way up to the city of Shechem. Abraham almost 0:40:46.540 --> 0:40:49.460 certainly used this route on his journey into the land, 0:40:49.460 --> 0:40:52.820 because Shechem is the first city mentioned on his arrival. 0:40:53.140 --> 0:40:56.020 When Jacob returned to the land, he wrestled with God 0:40:56.020 --> 0:40:58.780 along the banks of the Jabbok River. He then crossed 0:40:58.780 --> 0:41:02.419 the Jordan and Genesis 33 says the first city where 0:41:02.420 --> 0:41:05.860 he camped was Shechem. Look at the road sign just 0:41:05.860 --> 0:41:08.250 in front of the bus. It shows that the road 0:41:08.250 --> 0:41:11.210 to our left, the one heading toward the Jordan River, 0:41:11.250 --> 0:41:15.089 leads to the Adam Bridge. Several bridges have existed here 0:41:15.090 --> 0:41:17.770 over the years, and the one here today is not 0:41:17.770 --> 0:41:21.370 in use. The original fording point and all those subsequent 0:41:21.370 --> 0:41:25.009 bridges were named after the town of Adam that was nearby. 0:41:25.410 --> 0:41:28.089 Now look to the right. Here's that valley I was 0:41:28.090 --> 0:41:31.009 talking about that leads up into the hill country of Israel. 0:41:31.450 --> 0:41:34.410 Drive up this valley. Take a left at the end, 0:41:34.410 --> 0:41:37.650 and you'll soon find yourself at the location of ancient Shechem. 0:41:37.969 --> 0:41:41.130 It's easy to miss, but we just drove over the 0:41:41.130 --> 0:41:45.009 footprints of Abraham and Jacob. As amazing as that thought 0:41:45.010 --> 0:41:47.930 might be, I actually want us to focus on another 0:41:47.930 --> 0:41:52.250 event from this area that demonstrates God's mighty power. And 0:41:52.250 --> 0:41:56.130 that event is found in Joshua three. Joshua three describes 0:41:56.130 --> 0:41:59.370 the children of Israel crossing the Jordan River. The Jordan 0:41:59.370 --> 0:42:02.770 River today doesn't look that spectacular. That's due in part 0:42:02.770 --> 0:42:05.370 to the dam controlling the release of water from the 0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:08.200 Sea of Galilee and in part to all the water 0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:11.560 being pumped from the Jordan for irrigation. But in the past, 0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:14.520 the Jordan River could swell from the winter rains until 0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:18.920 it became a torrent nearly a mile wide. God's miracle 0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:22.600 for the new generation entering the land mirrored the miracle 0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:26.120 he performed for the first generation that left Egypt. God 0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:29.440 provided a roadway through the impassable chaos of the sea. 0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:33.719 Each generation saw God's power displayed in pushing back the 0:42:33.719 --> 0:42:37.040 water to let them pass. But why focus on that 0:42:37.040 --> 0:42:41.120 event here? Didn't Israel cross the Jordan further south, down 0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:44.919 by Jericho? Well, they did indeed cross further south, but 0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:47.920 the very spot we just passed plays a role in 0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:52.239 that event. Joshua 316 describes that event this way. The 0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:55.400 waters which were flowing down from above stood and rose 0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:59.120 up in one heap a great distance away at Adam, 0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:03.000 the city that is beside Zaratan, and those which were 0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:05.700 flowing down toward the sea of the Arabah. The salt 0:43:05.739 --> 0:43:09.660 sea were completely cut off, so the people crossed opposite Jericho. 0:43:10.380 --> 0:43:13.540 The people crossed the Jordan River by Jericho, but God 0:43:13.540 --> 0:43:16.580 had the waters stop in place at Adam, which he 0:43:16.580 --> 0:43:19.700 says is a great distance away. So how far away 0:43:19.700 --> 0:43:23.739 is it? It's 16 miles away. I wonder what it 0:43:23.739 --> 0:43:27.060 would look like as Israel crossed the dry riverbed. The 0:43:27.060 --> 0:43:29.900 relative flatness of the Jordan Valley allowed them to look 0:43:29.900 --> 0:43:33.819 both upstream and downstream. And there, in the distance, 16 0:43:33.820 --> 0:43:37.500 miles away, they could see a wall of water rising up. 0:43:37.860 --> 0:43:40.740 It was as if the invisible hand of God was 0:43:40.739 --> 0:43:44.660 holding back the water. Once the nation reached the other side, 0:43:44.660 --> 0:43:47.660 God withdrew his hand and the flood waters again came 0:43:47.700 --> 0:43:51.220 crashing down the river. If you've ever seen the video 0:43:51.219 --> 0:43:54.900 of flood waters sweeping down a previously dry riverbed during 0:43:54.900 --> 0:43:58.219 a flash flood, then you have some small image of 0:43:58.219 --> 0:44:01.700 what this amazing event might have been like. But before 0:44:01.700 --> 0:44:05.089 we continue our journey down the Jordan Valley. Pause and 0:44:05.090 --> 0:44:09.010 think about the incredible events that took place here near Adam. 0:44:09.410 --> 0:44:11.850 This is where Abraham took his first steps into the 0:44:11.850 --> 0:44:14.649 land promised to him by God. And this is where 0:44:14.650 --> 0:44:18.250 Jacob wrestled with God just before he returned to the land. 0:44:18.489 --> 0:44:21.450 He left the land as Jacob the heel grabber, Jacob 0:44:21.489 --> 0:44:24.770 the deceiver. But he crossed back into the land at 0:44:24.770 --> 0:44:27.930 Adam with a new name, Israel, the man who struggled 0:44:27.930 --> 0:44:30.690 with God, but who would not let go until God 0:44:30.690 --> 0:44:34.730 had blessed. Finally, Adam became the place where God demonstrated 0:44:34.730 --> 0:44:37.969 his power to the generation about to enter the land. 0:44:38.250 --> 0:44:41.490 This spot where the Jordan River could normally be crossed 0:44:41.489 --> 0:44:45.650 became temporarily inaccessible as God held back the waters to 0:44:45.690 --> 0:44:49.570 let his people walk through on dry ground further south. 0:44:50.050 --> 0:44:52.250 So what can we carry along with us as we 0:44:52.290 --> 0:44:56.290 drive past this second crossing point on the Jordan River? 0:44:56.850 --> 0:45:00.089 How about this? Adam is a reminder of all that 0:45:00.090 --> 0:45:03.240 God can do for those who follow him. It was 0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:06.080 the entry point to the land of promise for the patriarchs. 0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:08.840 And it was an object lesson to the children of Israel. 0:45:09.160 --> 0:45:12.800 Sometimes God leads us through the waters, as he did 0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:16.600 Abraham and Jacob, and other times God pushes back the 0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:19.960 water to lead us through on dry ground. But no 0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:24.360 matter what the individual circumstances might be, God still cares 0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:28.160 for and walks beside those who trust him. 0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:31.000 Boy, that's a word of encouragement, Charlie, and one maybe 0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:33.399 that struck you today. As you're listening to the land 0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:35.320 in the book. Good news. You can hear it all 0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:38.080 again if you visit our website at The Land and 0:45:38.120 --> 0:45:43.720 the book.org, the land and the book.org. 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