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S1: Hello, friends. Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall.
S1: So glad you're joining me today. You know, on a
S1: regular basis, we tell you to pray for our men
S1: and women in uniform. And I think when you hear
S1: our conversation today, you're going to understand why this all
S1: volunteer military force that we have here in the United
S1: States are a group of men and women who should
S1: be prayed for on a regular basis. Now, truth be told,
S1: sometimes there's a benefit. Sometimes you go into the military
S1: because you can get an education that you might not
S1: otherwise be able to afford, and that's okay. But sometimes
S1: you go into the military because something happens in the world,
S1: in your life personally, where you decide to respond to
S1: something that's greater than yourself. I have told you, I
S1: have heard many, many times over the year how many
S1: people decided that they would step into the world of
S1: the military as a result of nine over 11 that
S1: we realized that we woke up and the world wasn't
S1: as safe as we thought it was. That truth, honor, value,
S1: and valor are points worth fighting for, and that sometimes
S1: you decide to serve not just your country, but your
S1: God by responding to evil in the world. By the way,
S1: the biblical purpose of government is to protect us from evil.
S1: And so a lot of our men and women go
S1: into the military for that reason as well. But then
S1: it raises the question, why do they re-up? Why do
S1: they stay in? What happens if they really and truly
S1: fall in love with the people that they're defending, and
S1: they really want to throw out a lifeline, quite literally,
S1: not figuratively to those who have been left in harm's way.
S1: There are all kinds of questions here, and we talk
S1: about the military on a fairly regular basis, because first
S1: and foremost, I believe the church needs to recognize the
S1: men and women who are serving and a couple of
S1: takeaways right away just to set the stage here. It's
S1: never the person in uniform. It's always the entire family.
S1: While you're sleeping in your bed at night, somebody's up
S1: keeping the watch right? And while you are snuggled in
S1: a safe place at night, there are people out there
S1: defending us from others who wish to tear us apart
S1: as a country. And so we need to remember that service.
S1: We need to look around and say, Lord, what can
S1: I do to help? So I want to encourage you
S1: right out of the gate. Babysit their kids, give them
S1: a weekend away. Bring them covered dish. Pray for them
S1: on a regular basis. And understand that both the husband
S1: and the wife in terms of a married couple, are serving,
S1: and they need the support of the church. When one
S1: part hurts, we all hurt. And so I want to
S1: remind the church to be very, very tuned in to
S1: our military men and women. Because I woke up this
S1: morning and the world, by the way, was not a
S1: particularly safe place. And I also read my Bible because
S1: I want to go through life with the newspaper in
S1: one hand and the Bible in the other. And my
S1: guess is that it's going to get rough. In fact,
S1: wasn't it our Savior himself who said that we were
S1: going to hear wars and rumors of wars? That's the
S1: case that automatically involves the military, does it not? So
S1: pay attention. Look at your watch. He's coming again. I
S1: want to talk again with Chad Robichaux of every single
S1: conversation I've had with Chad has been impactful. This is
S1: a man who absolutely loves his country. His curriculum vitae
S1: is like something out of a movie. In fact, if
S1: they don't make Chad's life into a movie, I myself
S1: am going to be pretty disappointed because he's the founder
S1: of a fabulous organization called Mighty Oaks, the president and
S1: the founder. He is brokenhearted that we're seeing over 20
S1: people a day in the military, vets or those in
S1: active duty taking their lives. Something's broken here and it
S1: needs to be fixed. He is a you know, there's
S1: no such thing as a former marine. So I want
S1: to be very careful with my language. Here is the
S1: US Marine Corps Force Recon vet. He's a best selling author.
S1: He's a pro MMA champion, and he's a fabulous author.
S1: His latest book is called Saving Aziz How the Mission
S1: to Help one became a calling to Save thousands. And
S1: he's traveling across the country right now on a press
S1: junket for this book. So I am so thankful I
S1: caught up with Chad in a hotel in a big
S1: city somewhere in America so he can talk to us
S1: about this book. So first and foremost, Jeb. Welcome, brother.
S1: It's so good to have you back again on behalf
S1: of everybody listening all across the country. Thank you, thank you,
S1: thank you for your service to our country. And may
S1: God enlarge your territory as a result of this fantastic, compelling,
S1: heartbreaking book called saving. Aziz, good to be with you again.
S6: Thanks so much for having me on, Janet. And thanks
S6: for those those kind words as well.
S1: Well, I tell you what, you are something else. All right.
S1: I want to do a flyover on several things. Our
S1: friends listening all across the country, particularly if they have
S1: no point of reference for the military other than a
S1: movie that they have on TV, they see on TV.
S1: They need to know something about what it's like. So
S1: for you personally, how many deployments did you have overseas?
S6: Well, I did I did eight deployments, uh, in Afghanistan.
S6: I was a Force Recon Marine, and I was a
S6: very privileged to be on a JSOC, Joint Special Operations
S6: Command task force and did, uh, all eight of my
S6: combat deployments to Afghanistan.
S1: Wow. And in your role as, um, someone who was
S1: serving in Afghanistan, primarily, what was your job?
S6: So, um, you know, as a Force Recon marine, uh,
S6: I went to this task force and did a job that, uh,
S6: is not not very common, uh, commonly known. It's called
S6: a AFO advanced force operator. And that job is essentially doing, uh,
S6: all the clandestine logistics to go ahead of your special
S6: operations unit and build, uh, infrastructure to put them on
S6: target to capture or kill bad guys. And so you
S6: typically work in this role in what's called a singleton capacity,
S6: meaning you're working by yourself, maybe with one other teammate
S6: and local nationals kind of blending into the environment and
S6: creating a reason to be in that environment. And, uh,
S6: and then going into non-permissive areas and just building, uh,
S6: the ability to build to put your assault teams on
S6: target to get those bad guys. And, uh, so that's
S6: what that's what I actually did on all eight of
S6: my deployments and, and, uh, and the local national that
S6: I had assigned to me, uh, was a zis into
S6: the book. You know, the title of the book is
S6: Saving Aziz. Aziz was my started up as my interpreter
S6: and ultimately, uh, became my teammate. And it's in and out.
S6: You know, even more than that became my friend. The
S6: two of us, you know, went on operations all over
S6: the mountains of Afghanistan into Pakistan. And, uh, and doing
S6: that work together. Hundreds of missions, uh, together. And, uh,
S6: you know, he was responsible for saving my life on
S6: multiple occasions, uh, very specifically, but probably every day, you know,
S6: don't walk there. Don't eat that. Don't talk to that person.
S6: If you talk right now, they're gonna kill us. So, uh,
S6: you know, his his his, uh, wit, his, uh, experience,
S6: his love and passion for, uh, for his fellow man
S6: and and his care for me, you know, kept me
S6: alive every day. And and, uh, you know, we leaned
S6: on each other and and, uh, we got to know
S6: each other very well, obviously, uh, spending that much time
S6: together weeks and months together. If you could imagine being
S6: on a car ride with someone for ten hours, how
S6: long you would how much you get to know them.
S6: But we were together for the two of us for
S6: weeks and months. And so, uh, and then we came
S6: back from those operations. Uh, I didn't go to base
S6: off the base, and he went home. I went to
S6: his home. And, you know, after the first warm meal
S6: we got after being in those cold, cold mountains, we'd
S6: be cooked by his wife and I'd play games with
S6: his nieces and nephews, and I held his manhood in
S6: my arms. His oldest son and daughter when they were
S6: born as babies.
S1: Wow. Wow. Well, when we come back, I want to
S1: find more about this relationship. Because it isn't just the
S1: story of saving Azadeh. It's saving a whole lot more
S1: people in Afghanistan. Chad Robichaux is with us. Saving Azadeh,
S1: brand new book back after this. Life storms can make
S1: us feel shipwrecked and lost. But there's wisdom in Scripture's
S1: most dramatic sea voyage in Mediterranean Sea Rules, Robert Morgan
S1: reveals powerful principles from Paul's shipwreck in the Book of Acts.
S1: Ten biblical rules that will equip you to navigate life's
S1: toughest waters with confidence and courage. As for your copy
S1: of The Mediterranean Sea Rules, when you give a gift
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S1: That's 877 Janet 58 or go to in the market
S1: with Janet Parshall. Chad Robichaux is with us, a former
S1: Force Recon Marine and Department of Defense contractor. He's also
S1: the co-founder of a group called Save Our Allies, which
S1: is a nonprofit that was established to try to rescue
S1: those who got left behind in Afghanistan. As a result
S1: of his own struggles with PTSD, he founded the Mighty
S1: Oaks Foundation. He's a wonderful speaker. If you ever get
S1: a chance to hear him, and he's got a podcast
S1: and wonderful books, but his latest book is called Saving
S1: Aziz How the Mission to Help one Became a Calling
S1: to Save thousands. So let me go back to your
S1: relationship with Aziz, because I want people to understand how
S1: this relationship works as an AFO. Did you find disease
S1: on your own or were you assigned him? And who
S1: does the vetting to make sure that Aziz is someone
S1: that is safe and will work with you, and that
S1: he's not really Taliban in disguise?
S6: Yeah. So, um. Aziz began as an interpreter before me when, uh,
S6: when nine over 11 happened, he had, uh, he was
S6: already in exile because of, uh, he got caught teaching, uh,
S6: English in the underground, uh, during the Taliban's rule. And, uh,
S6: in 1999. So he had, uh, he had left the
S6: country in exile. And when he heard his father told him, hey,
S6: the Americans are here. Uh, they're fighting the Taliban. He
S6: thought it was his opportunity to come back and and
S6: fight for freedom and democracy in his country. Uh, one
S6: of the things I've always admired about him is he.
S6: He's someone that never even had seen or experienced freedom
S6: of democracy, but he understood it in a way that
S6: I believe most Americans don't even understand it. And he
S6: desired it for his for his future daughters and his children, uh,
S6: women's rights. Uh, he was always had these, these kind
S6: of beliefs in his mind. And he wanted to fight
S6: for it. So he came back to Afghanistan and went
S6: and applied for, uh, the special, uh, third Special Forces
S6: Group and became a combat interpreter for third Special Forces Group.
S6: Then he went to the presidential, uh, the presidential, uh,
S6: detail for the, uh, anti-terrorism, uh Anti-Terrorism task force did
S6: some time there. And then from there he got picked
S6: up and recruited for our JSOC task force and, uh,
S6: and was able to work where we worked. He was
S6: heavily vetted, uh, uh polygraphed. And at one point, eventually,
S6: after after he was with us for a while, he
S6: even had access to top secret information. And so, you know,
S6: very trusted, uh, uh, and and that trust was earned over,
S6: over time.
S1: Yeah. You answered the question exactly as I anticipated, vetted. Trusted.
S1: Which raises an important point for our listeners not to
S1: miss Chad. And that is that not everybody who lives
S1: in Afghanistan is a fan of the Taliban, that these
S1: terrorists don't just want to destroy us, they're also going
S1: after their own people. And that's important to point out.
S6: Oh, yeah. I mean, you're talking, you know, 40 million
S6: people in Afghanistan right now, currently 20 million women and
S6: little girls are being, you know, sexually enslaved the rest
S6: of their life. The Taliban is not, uh, a popular, uh, uh, uh,
S6: sect of leadership in Afghanistan. And, uh, it's, you know,
S6: Taliban at the time of the, of the, uh, withdrawal,
S6: there's about 75,000, uh, strong. So, um, most, uh, Afghans,
S6: I mean, Afghanistan is in complete chaos and terror right
S6: now because of because of the Taliban. And, uh, it's
S6: not a they're not, uh, definitely not a popular amongst
S6: Afghan people. Uh, most, most Afghans are simple people that
S6: want to just live their way of life, enjoy their,
S6: their farms and, and their families and and uh, or
S6: not ideology. Ideology have that same ideology as, uh, as
S6: a Taliban.
S1: Exactly. Well, and one of the things you write about
S1: in the book, there were so many that were illustrative
S1: of who the Taliban are, as you write about a
S1: 55 year old man leading an 11 year old girl
S1: by the hand, and that was his wife, and that
S1: it is not uncommon just for safety and security, for
S1: people who are starving under a terrorist regime to sell
S1: someone for $500 and then their daughter becomes a child bride.
S1: So it's it's a very broken country, and it's a
S1: country with a long broken history. You talk about some
S1: of that in the book, which was tremendous. But because
S1: I'm bound by one hour of your time and the
S1: clock will fly by on this conversation. April 2021. I'm
S1: not in the military. I'm in Washington, DC, and I
S1: love the military, and I've grown to love them even more.
S1: Just being here. Something about being in this town when
S1: America's fortress, otherwise known as the Pentagon, gets hit by
S1: a jet and all of a sudden you realize exactly
S1: how men and women put their lives on the line
S1: on a regular basis. They're too often forgotten in a
S1: post-truth culture. And so I love having conversations like this
S1: so we can remember our men and women in uniform
S1: and thank them and pray for them and support them
S1: in any way we can on a regular basis. So
S1: April 2021 rolls around, and the president at the time
S1: is Joe Biden, and he makes the announcement that we're
S1: going to withdraw. Again, I'm not a military strategist. Why
S1: would you tell the bad guys when we're going to leave?
S6: Yeah, it was a couple of problems with with him
S6: doing that. One is that, uh, you you would never
S6: in a negotiating situation, you would never give, uh, a date.
S6: You would never give a timeline, you would always give terms.
S6: If we're if we're all going to withdraw. And I'll
S6: get into why I don't believe we should have withdrew.
S6: But if we are going to withdraw, then, um, then
S6: you would give terms. We will leave when we get, uh,
S6: the United States citizens out. We'll leave when we get
S6: all of our allies interpreters out. We will leave when
S6: we get our $85 billion of equipment out. We'll leave
S6: when we have a proper transfer of government. So that's
S6: that's the major mistake that I believe President Biden made.
S6: And I don't believe it was accident or incompetence. I
S6: believe it was very deliberate, personally. Uh, secondly, um, the
S6: American people were sold a very, uh, big lie, and
S6: it was done over a period of time. That was
S6: his belief. And I think most Americans probably believe this
S6: because of unfortunately, because of they were led to believe this,
S6: that we were in a 20 year war in Afghanistan.
S6: It was an endless war. And at some point we
S6: had to give out because America's sons and daughters were dying.
S6: And the reason that's not true is because in 2018,
S6: the US military switched from a conventional, uh, role in
S6: fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan to a support and advisory
S6: role to the Afghan National Army and Afghan National Police.
S6: Not only did the United States do that, but the
S6: entire international community did and were participating, and we were
S6: doing it on this base, Bagram Air Force Base, which
S6: is the most strategic place on the globe between Iraq, Iran,
S6: Russia and China. And we were doing it with only
S6: 2500 troops at some points. And the high end was
S6: 4000 troops, which was the number during a withdrawal. And
S6: and to think that we would give away this base,
S6: the strategic location that was working to keep terrorism at
S6: bay in the mountains of Afghanistan is just insane to me.
S6: There was no reasoning. The Joint Chiefs advised the president
S6: against it. All the intelligence leaders that advised the president
S6: advised him against it, and he chose to do it anyway,
S6: and he chose to do it hastily. It was not
S6: ours to give away. The entire international community, uh, was
S6: participating here, but the white House did not negotiate with
S6: our NATO partners, any of our allies. They didn't even
S6: negotiate with the Afghan government that we put in place
S6: in the last 20 years. The only people the white
S6: House talked to was the enemy of 20 years, the Taliban.
S6: And and that's a question that's never been asked on
S6: media or a news outlet to the president. And certainly
S6: no one's been held accountable for that. Why would we
S6: talk to the enemy and not the government that we
S6: put in place? The turnover.
S1: And.
S6: Turnover, the most strategic place on the globe.
S1: And ideas have consequences. This was a bad idea and
S1: there were horrific consequences. You write about them powerfully and
S1: eloquently in Saving Aziz. I'm going to come right back,
S1: pick up that date in April. It gets even worse
S1: in September. You know what that was like. I want
S1: to talk about it when we get back. Chad Robichaux,
S1: our guest. More after this. Visiting with Chad Robichaux, who
S1: is the author of the book Saving Aziz How the
S1: Mission to Help One, Became a calling to rescue thousands
S1: from the Taliban. He's also the founder and the president
S1: of the Mighty Oaks Foundation. This the Lord used that
S1: in his life, by the way, with his own battles
S1: with PTSD, and now he's using it to help so
S1: many others who struggle in this area as well. You
S1: and I need to support Chad in this effort. By
S1: the way, if we can't think of any other way
S1: to thank our men and women for serving us, we
S1: need to serve them in their time of need. I
S1: want to, I want to, before I get to the
S1: chaos at the airport, as you entitled one chapter of
S1: the book. And by the way, I tell you in
S1: full disclosure, Chad, I couldn't put it down. Forget Jack Ryan.
S1: This was like reading a movie script. It was stunning.
S1: And the fact that it was real made it difficult
S1: for me in many sections. But it was a quickening
S1: of my heart to recognize, well, there's so much work
S1: yet to be done. Tell me about Task Force 68.
S1: Why was it named? What was it designed to do?
S6: Well, Task Force 68 was, uh, we we, uh, picked
S6: it up from the the verse that many people know.
S6: Isaiah 68. Uh, here am I send me. And, uh,
S6: that's that was the heart of everyone that we you know,
S6: when I decided I need to go get my friend, uh, Aziz, uh,
S6: and this withdrawal and go rescue my friend and his
S6: wife and his six kids. I put together a team
S6: of about about 12 guys, all former special operations guys
S6: who had a lot of maturity and experience and would would,
S6: you know, be okay with not going and doing anything, uh, uh, bravado,
S6: just going to rescue people. And, uh, and they had
S6: the experience to do it and, uh, some specific skill
S6: sets I was looking for. And so we put this
S6: team together and we, uh, and, uh, I think everyone's
S6: heart was just burdened, and I believe it was burdened
S6: by God to go help people that couldn't help themselves. And, and, uh, and,
S6: and to give a name and identifier to what we
S6: did is, um, Isaiah, Isaiah six eight, task force six eight.
S6: Send me and and as we're putting this team together, we, we, uh,
S6: quickly realized that, um, this wasn't not just a disease
S6: in his family, but this was a lot more people, Americans,
S6: women and children, uh, and other interpreters, Christians have been persecuted.
S6: And this one particular group of 3500 orphans that one
S6: of our team members identified, and we just paused for
S6: a second and said, this is going to be bigger
S6: than a disease. Let's let's get as many people as
S6: we can and, and, uh, I believe, um, like, like
S6: I said earlier, I believe God had put the burden
S6: on our hearts. And we've gotten a lot of credit.
S6: I think, uh, we've gotten we've gotten recognized by Congress.
S6: We've gotten, uh, I've got the Bonhoeffer Achievement Award. Um, but, uh,
S6: all that credit, the only thing I really feel comfortable, uh,
S6: accepting is the fact that we felt that a calling
S6: on us and we were obedient to say yes. And
S6: the the reason I say that is because everything that
S6: happened after that was just a divine miracle. I mean, uh, I,
S6: I think the Bible says in, in Second Corinthians 1130
S6: that if you're going to boast, boast in your weakness.
S6: I will be the first to say that none of
S6: us had the capability of pulling this off. I'm not
S6: smart enough. Capable enough. What happened was beyond our far
S6: beyond our ability. Uh, but God had a plan, and
S6: he chose to use, uh, use us. And we were
S6: able to not only rescue Aziz and his family, but,
S6: you know, ultimately, 17,000 people.
S1: Wow. And if you think that's easy, think again. That's
S1: why the book is absolutely so riveting. So, Chad, just
S1: so I can contextualize this for our friends. So you've
S1: got Task Force six eight. You're going to go in,
S1: you want to rescue people. I'm going to get to
S1: the government's position and what they told us, which turned
S1: out not to be true and what the reality was
S1: with boots on the ground. But in your relationship with
S1: what was going on in Afghanistan, did you have to
S1: get permission from DoD? This did this had to be
S1: sanctioned by the government? Did you come in as an NGO,
S1: non-governmental organization so you'd have access? So how did you
S1: get clearance to go in country without the military kicking
S1: you out?
S6: Right. That's right. And we had a lot of criticism like,
S6: what are you guys doing going there and getting in
S6: the way of the military? And, you know, I think
S6: it'd be pretty foolish for people to actually sit down
S6: and think about it for a second. Think it does.
S6: A bunch of veterans have the ability to land a
S6: land aircraft on a DoD controlled high airport, load up,
S6: load up Afghans, evacuate Afghans and fly them off. Of
S6: course we need it. And that was part of this
S6: when I said we saw Divine Miracle and a period
S6: of three days, several things happened in a sequence of
S6: events that that each one of them were impossibilities. And
S6: if any one of them would have not happened. This
S6: whole thing would not have been possible. The first was
S6: exactly what you asked. How do we get permission? Sarah
S6: Verardo from an organization called the Independence Fund called the
S6: Joint Chiefs and told them our plan, and they approved
S6: us to land on HK airport and do civilian evacuations
S6: as an NGO. That by itself, anyone that's been around
S6: the military knows that's an impossibility.
S1: Exactly.
S6: That should have never happened. And I believe God opened
S6: it for us and gave us favor there. Secondly, now
S6: we're going to, um, fly people out with SIV visas, uh,
S6: SIV applicants, P1, P2 applicants for visas. But these people
S6: don't have visas. I can't bring them to the United States.
S6: I'm not the State Department. I can only get them
S6: out of Afghanistan. So where do I legally bring them to?
S6: If you don't have a visa, you bring someone out
S6: of a country to another country. That's human trafficking. You
S6: just can't do that. So in the, you know, we
S6: we maybe if you're in Laredo, Texas, you could do that.
S6: But anywhere else in the real world, you can't do that, right.
S6: You need permission. So we called some people we knew
S6: in the royal family in the UAE and told them
S6: what we were going to do, and they were so amazing.
S6: They said, bring them here, we'll put them in our
S6: humanitarian centre. We're going to have doctors and food and
S6: care for them. And they just rolled out the red
S6: carpet and they said, in addition, we're going to give
S6: you a C-17 military plane. If you fill that up,
S6: we're going to give you another one, which is a
S6: large that's the large military planes. And then the next day, again,
S6: this is three day period. Glenn Beck, who I know you,
S6: I believe you know as well. He runs Mercury One Charities.
S6: And Glenn just got on the radio just like you.
S6: He used his voice and he got on the radio
S6: and said, we need to do something about this. And
S6: so many amazing people just said, this isn't right from
S6: different political parties, different ideologies. People just said, this isn't right.
S6: I want to do something. And that's what he did.
S6: He got on the radio and said, let's do something.
S6: He thought he was gonna raise a few thousand dollars. Well,
S6: he raised $21 million overall. He raised 46 million. And
S6: he called me and he said, I raised all this money,
S6: and I don't have a ground effort to actually help.
S6: What can we do? And I said, I know exactly
S6: what we're going to do. We're going to start paying
S6: to charter planes. And he put a guy named Rudy
S6: Atala over to work with us. And, uh, and they
S6: charter planes for us. And so all this miraculous came
S6: together in a period of three days. And we went
S6: in and we started moving heaven and earth. Uh, our
S6: ground team was so amazing, getting on the ground, going
S6: outside the wire, getting people. And then ultimately, uh, in
S6: a period of ten days, because we didn't know how
S6: much time we had and a period of ten days, we, uh,
S6: we ended up moving 12,000 people until the Abbey gate
S6: was blown up and we lost 13 of our service members. Um, wow. And, uh,
S6: and then we we chose after that. You know, I
S6: know we're about to go on a break, but, uh,
S6: we chose after that to stay, and we had to stay.
S1: Uh, let me let me stop you there, Chad. Then
S1: we'll pick it up exactly at that point when we return.
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S1: Chad is talking about here. It is so miraculous in
S1: the way in which Chad is, first of all, with
S1: me today, that thousands of people were literally rescued out
S1: of a heart of compassion. And as Chad made the
S1: very powerfully eloquent and accurate statement earlier, this isn't a
S1: Democrat or Republican issue. This is a fellowship of the
S1: brotherhood of man issue. When one when we're hurting, we
S1: need to do all that we can to rescue. And
S1: these people were left behind, abandoned after 20 years of U.S. involvement.
S1: I'm going to get more into that in a minute,
S1: but let me just reinstate who Chad is. He's the
S1: mighty Oaks president and founder. He struggled with PTSD, comes
S1: to faith in Christ. He understands that there's so many
S1: people struggling in this area. And so he starts this
S1: marvelous organization to help those who are hurting. And I
S1: want you to think carefully and prayerfully about supporting this organization.
S1: It's fabulous. He's a US Marine Corps Force Recon vet.
S1: He's a best selling author and a pro MMA champion.
S1: Like I say, Forrest Gump, sit down. You got nothing
S1: on Chad Robichaux. He joins us today with the book
S1: Saving Aziz How the Mission to Help one became a
S1: calling to Save thousands. So you you beautifully went through
S1: some of the events on that horrible day. We all
S1: remember it. So all of a sudden and you you succinctly.
S1: That was what I thought when I saw it. But
S1: you likened it for those of us who are of
S1: a certain age to Saigon, where people were literally hanging
S1: out of the choppers trying to get out of there
S1: before the communists came in and were going to take
S1: over Saigon, Saigon. But there were people who were trying
S1: to get to the airport to get out. We in
S1: the States were told there were about 100 Americans. Chad.
S1: Fact check, right or wrong.
S6: 100% wrong. And that's you know, I've been in a
S6: lot of media this week and I'm like this, this
S6: isn't even a debatable. It's almost like insane to me,
S6: because this wasn't for the white House to say a
S6: hundred people and the media to repeat, a hundred people.
S6: Everyone knew that wasn't true. It wasn't a mistake. A
S6: poor estimation. It was just not true. And everyone knew it.
S6: And they said it anyway. And, uh. And I knew
S6: for a fact there were thousands of Americans still there.
S6: And another thing that was said was that if Americans
S6: are still here, then they just have to go to
S6: the airport. Right. If they want to leave, then they
S6: just go to the airport. That that is so unconscious
S6: at the airport. The white House gave the the Neo
S6: operation a non-combatant evacuation operation away from the DoD, where
S6: it belonged, and gave it to the State Department. The
S6: State Department had no idea has no idea how to
S6: do that, because that's not their job and made a
S6: catastrophe out of the securing the airport by putting the
S6: military as an outer perimeter and not allowed them to
S6: go out. So the Taliban has the outer perimeter of
S6: the airport now, and whoever controls outer perimeter, the outer
S6: ring of a of a ground space actually controls that space.
S6: That's the way, uh, ground combat and and and it works.
S6: And they control who goes in and out. So the
S6: Taliban was the first line of checkpoints to be able
S6: to get to the airport. So if American citizen came
S6: or green card holder came or someone that had SIV
S6: paperwork came to the airport and they showed it to
S6: the Taliban. The Taliban was taking their paperwork away. They
S6: were beating people. They even they were executing people on
S6: the streets. If you were American, you'd have to really
S6: have to honestly ask yourself, would you be willing to
S6: go to a Taliban who, armed with AK 47 and
S6: show them your blue passport and tell them you're American
S6: and try to get through? I can't imagine even myself
S6: with my experience would do that. And, uh, and so
S6: for the white House to sit there and have the
S6: audacity to say that Americans just didn't want to get out,
S6: they chose to stay. There is a, you know, one.
S6: It's it's not true. And two, it's a dereliction of
S6: their duty to protect Americans.
S1: Yes, yes. I want to quote something from your book
S1: because it says it beautifully. Former Senator Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma.
S1: Early in the evacuation, center. Secretary of State Blinken said
S1: that there were perhaps 10,000 to 15,000 American citizens in Afghanistan.
S1: Our men and women in uniform, working tirelessly and effectively
S1: with our diplomats under incredibly difficult circumstances, managed to evacuate
S1: about 6000 of our citizens. Now, according to my math,
S1: this is. Again, Senator Inhofe speaking. That means that between
S1: 4 to 9000 Americans were left behind. But Senator Blinken
S1: says that there were only a hundred and that the
S1: rest preferred to stay in Afghanistan. That doesn't pass the
S1: straight face test. So that is more than bad math,
S1: Senator Inhofe said. It is a lie. You write in
S1: this book that the Taliban had decapitated someone. They actually
S1: held up the decapitated head to taunt the Marines and
S1: the military that were there, that these Afghani citizens were
S1: so desperate to get out that they would try to
S1: pass their babies to the front of the mob, that
S1: someone would hopefully get their baby to take them on
S1: a plane and get them out. They were mothers, you write,
S1: who threw their babies over a fence not knowing that
S1: there was barbed wire on the other side, and later
S1: it was discovered that there were, what, five babies that
S1: had bled out because their children had been thrown on
S1: the wire. That's what we call desperation and panic. And
S1: you rightfully said that having this secretary, the secretary of
S1: State or the State Department rather step in where DoD
S1: should have been leading, is akin to having a baggage
S1: handler sit in a pilot's seat. It was a debacle
S1: to go down in the history books. Unbelievable. So it's
S1: chaos at the airport. How in the world, then, do
S1: you begin, particularly through your task force, to try to
S1: vet out some of these people, pick the people you're
S1: going to be able to rescue and to get them out.
S1: Because the Taliban could not wait to reinstate Sharia law
S1: and the horrific way of living.
S6: Yeah, and they had already begun doing that before the
S6: as the withdrawal was even happening. You know, it's a
S6: so you know, this this is precision rescue operations. And
S6: a lot of people in our team are very trained
S6: at doing this. We had to set up operations center
S6: in Abu Dhabi. We had to make sure that we
S6: were getting the right people because we can't we didn't
S6: want to be responsible for, nor would the nor would
S6: the Joint Chiefs approve our manifest to bring up the
S6: wrong people. Uh, where the DoD plains. And no fault
S6: to our military. But the DoD Plains were loaded with
S6: people that were unmanifested and not knowing who they were
S6: and brought straight to the United States. We were having
S6: to manifest that our people and then bring them to
S6: a third party country to be further vetted by the
S6: State Department. So there's a big difference in how we
S6: did things for us. We were getting applications through Cerebral
S6: Arteries team in Washington, DC. We had about 25,000in the
S6: first weeks. And uh, and we were looking for Sivs, P1,
S6: P2 visas, people that had that we had paperwork on or,
S6: you know, uh, groups of orphans and children. Uh, so
S6: these are the people we were working to get out and, uh,
S6: and then we, we would, uh, set up a, set
S6: up a ground team of three guys that would go
S6: outside the wire of the airport, sometimes miles outside the wire,
S6: and we would set up link up points, and we
S6: coordinate the linkup, and we'd use a kind of near
S6: and far. I don't want to get too far into it,
S6: because I don't give away what's called ttps techniques, tactics
S6: and procedures for how we do these things. But we
S6: would do a, you know, for recognition to make sure
S6: there's the right people. We're meeting with the right groups
S6: to protect our team. And as we got closer, we'd
S6: have these bona fides, seven points of bona fides to
S6: make sure that they were the right people. And our
S6: ground team, uh, Seaspray, a guy named Seaspray. Write about
S6: in the book, Sean G. Tim Kennedy were like the
S6: guys mainly on the ground doing that at the airport portion.
S6: And they, uh, and they were doing just such a
S6: great job getting got. And no one stopped. And our
S6: Abu Dhabi team, our ground team. And if you stopped
S6: for five minutes, you felt like someone was going to
S6: die because, you know, you're trading sleep for their life.
S6: Seaspray lost £37 in that ten days. And, uh, it
S6: was just nonstop and moving people and, uh, and then
S6: getting them to the airport, getting them into the airport
S6: through different means to sneak them back into the airport,
S6: around Taliban. Of course, we had to identify all the
S6: Taliban points and, uh, getting them around Taliban, getting them
S6: to the airport and then manifesting them, getting them on
S6: a flight, getting them to Abu Dhabi and doing it
S6: over and over and over again. Uh, 12,000 people in
S6: a period of ten days. And then, um, you know,
S6: when that was over, that's when we looked at the situation.
S6: And again, the white House is saying what you said,
S6: 100 Americans. We're saying thousands. But the truth is, Janet,
S6: it doesn't matter if there's one American because you don't
S6: leave an American behind in a situation like that. It's
S6: a promise that the American people have by their government.
S6: It's a promise that wasn't kept. And, uh, and from
S6: where I come from, like, we will scorch the earth
S6: to go get an American that's in harm's way. And, uh,
S6: me and the guys that we were with, we just
S6: could not leave. The military was forced to leave, by
S6: the way. They didn't want to leave. The military was
S6: forced to leave. We didn't have to be forced to leave.
S6: We chose to stay. We worked with a whole bunch
S6: of amazing other, uh, nonprofits we got. We've gotten a
S6: lot of credit for it. But the truth is, there's
S6: a lot of amazing nonprofits. We worked in a coalition
S6: together with Mercury One Task Force, Argo, you know, Safer
S6: Allies and Mighty Oaks work where all the same. And
S6: and we were able to get in two months at
S6: through Mazar e Sharif, we were able to fly another
S6: 5000 people out and, uh, but, you know, you read
S6: you read the book and what it. It wasn't over
S6: at that point. It was still.
S1: More. Exactly. No. And I want to get to the
S1: last part of the book. Wow. I mean, it was
S1: just it was a ride through the entire book. But
S1: let me go back to our friend Aziz. How many
S1: times did you have to try to get him out
S1: of the country? It didn't happen the first time. And
S1: now at this point, he's married. He's got three children. Uh,
S1: and so he's trying to get out, but he still
S1: wanted to stay and help. And yet he knew that
S1: he was probably being watched by the Taliban. Tell me
S1: about how you actually, again, keeping him safe, know trade secrets.
S1: How did you get him out?
S6: Yeah. You know, actually, there was, uh, he had six kids,
S6: three daughters, three sons and, uh, and, uh, and so
S6: why that's important is because, you know, moving six kids, uh, uh,
S6: from anywhere from the ages of six to, to 18. And, uh,
S6: and these girls were, you know, scared. And they're, they're
S6: they're targets. Aziz was a target. Aziz was not just
S6: possibly on the list. He was on a list. I mean,
S6: I go into in the book about a guy named
S6: Bashir who betrayed us back in, uh, back in 2007
S6: and had some of our teammates killed, drove a bomb
S6: in the vehicle, bomb into my house and, uh, was
S6: trying to kill his ease and had me abducted by
S6: a foreign intelligence agency. Like, his guy was like a
S6: really bad guy. We had caught him, and then he
S6: ended up going to jail. But during the Obama administration,
S6: he was released. And now he's looking for houses. So
S6: we're we're Aziz is definitely a target. And so, uh,
S6: moving for him was was scary, uh, for him for
S6: scary for his family. And it's in the chaos that
S6: you described at an airport, hundreds of thousands of people.
S6: And then you got the Taliban shooting in crowds and
S6: killing people. Uh, it was crazy. And so it took
S6: he had seven failed attempts and, uh, the eighth attempt
S6: he didn't want to do. And I just I mean,
S6: he's he's been through a lot and and he's a
S6: tough dude and, and mentally tough physically tough and and
S6: I'm like he's like, I can't do it. And I'm
S6: like I'm like, bro, you. You got to like, you
S6: have to like, it's not about you. You got this kid.
S6: You got to get to the airport. And so the
S6: last try, he's like, he's like, I'm gonna try one
S6: more time. The last try, I was able to get
S6: him to the airport, With the linkup I had was, uh,
S6: Sean G. He was on the other side of the airport,
S6: and he couldn't get to where Aziz was. And so
S6: thank God we had the help of an amazing, uh,
S6: man named named Sean High, who is a Air Force
S6: special operations guy that was on the airport. And we
S6: were like, can you get to the gate and just
S6: get him through the gate? And he was willing to
S6: do it, and he was able to get his ease
S6: in the gate. And I remember him sending the picture
S6: of me showing him that he was safe inside the airport. And, uh, wow,
S6: my heart leapt with joy.
S1: I'll bet it did. But as you say, Aziz, not
S1: only a friend and a brother as you call him
S1: so often in the book, but he became emblematic for
S1: all of those other freedom loving Afghans who wanted to
S1: get out and got left behind. More would shedrow which
S1: I right after this. It's a must read. It's called
S1: Saving Aziz. It's written by our guest, Chad Robishaw, a
S1: former Force Recon Marine and Department of Defense contractor. So
S1: much more, by the way. Excellent. Powerful speaker. Cares for
S1: our men and women in uniform. Cares for his fellow man,
S1: as evidenced by the fact that he just decided to
S1: go back and do what he could to set free
S1: those people who got left behind after the horrible way
S1: in which we left Afghanistan. By the way, there's so
S1: many things I want to ask you in this last segment,
S1: Chad and I knew this hour would go by very quickly,
S1: so we should have stayed, as you said before, and
S1: the Ana was getting up and running. Tell me why.
S1: Because again, the promise made by the current president was,
S1: we're going to get out. We're going to do it
S1: demonstratively on the 20th anniversary of nine over 11. And
S1: it will go down in history as an absolute failure.
S1: That is not a political statement. That's a factual observation.
S1: So why do you think we should not have left?
S1: What if we were there today? What would our capacity
S1: and our role be? And why should we not have left?
S6: Well, you know, again, you know, Bagram Air Force Base
S6: is the most strategic location on the globe between Iraq, Iran,
S6: Russia and China. That's the reason we should not have left.
S6: It's the strategic and strategic location that we need as America,
S6: to keep America safe and prevent us from further wars.
S6: So the excuse that getting us out of war actually
S6: puts us in a situation to where we're more likely
S6: to get in a war by not having that strategic
S6: stronghold with a contingency of only 2500 troops. So our
S6: role would be us participating in an international effort that
S6: that could we could have turned over that base to
S6: to NATO and not the Taliban and, and participate in
S6: an international effort that the entire rest of the world
S6: were participating in to keep the world safer by by
S6: supporting and advising the Afghan National Army and Afghan National Police.
S6: And but we didn't get the world. We didn't give
S6: the world a chance to even have a say. So
S6: in that we only talked to the Taliban. And, you know,
S6: when you look at this, it's not consistent historically with
S6: successful military strategy of the United States, if you think
S6: about that, in contrast to World War Two, when we
S6: left World War Two, uh, we kept contingents in, uh,
S6: Japan and Germany. In fact, we still have 80,000 troops
S6: in Japan since World War two and 40,000 troops in
S6: Germany since World War II. And it kept the world stable.
S6: We still have 35,000 troops in South Korea since the
S6: Korean War. And it keeps that 38 peninsula, uh, stable. Uh,
S6: so America's role in the world is very important in
S6: these strategic locations are very important. And in a, you know,
S6: one person in the president, United States should never be
S6: able to forfeit such a strong location, uh, that the
S6: rest of the world is impacted by. And I tell you,
S6: the world because of that, not only did we lose
S6: American lives, not only did we leave American lives behind,
S6: not only did we abandon our allies and weaken our
S6: bargaining power for future wars to be able to have
S6: the support of local nationals, but we, uh, we we
S6: single handedly made the world a much more dangerous place.
S6: And there's evidence of that right away. When you see, uh,
S6: al-Zawahiri walking freely around, you know, al Qaeda al-zahiri walking
S6: freely around, uh, Afghanistan and Kabul just months after, uh,
S6: the withdrawal.
S1: Yeah. Exactly. Right. Again, it's a problematic country. It is
S1: a nation of conflict. We have had an involvement for
S1: four presidencies, so it's not easy. But it doesn't mean
S1: there isn't a strategic aspect to what's going on over
S1: there that needs to be dealt with. So move it
S1: if you would. Chad. From the military to the humanitarian.
S1: You know, God should be thanked for the fact that
S1: because of your efforts and the efforts of so many,
S1: what you did is you saw close to 30,000, if
S1: not more, rescued out of Afghanistan. But this is a
S1: nation of multiple millions of people. So what is the
S1: state humanitarianly in Afghanistan right now? In other words, this
S1: is far from over. What do we do?
S6: Well, I mean, you know, towards the end of our.
S6: That's why we right after the airport evacuations, we chose
S6: to go into into Tajikistan and build routes to help
S6: people get out. And myself and Dennis Price were able
S6: to go into, into Tajikistan and literally built a spent
S6: ten days on the on the border with Chinese military
S6: and Russian military and and the Taliban there and build
S6: a did 90 miles of border reconnaissance and built six
S6: routes droughts out by swimming across the river every night
S6: and and and building those routes out. It was so
S6: important because it thousands of people are still trying to
S6: get out as 20, 40 million Afghan Afghans, there are
S6: 20 million women that are going to be sexually enslaved.
S6: They don't even have not only can they not go
S6: to school anymore, not only are they forced into burqas
S6: and having forced marriages, but they've been told last week
S6: that they're not allowed to see male doctors. And which
S6: may sound like, okay, well, they don't want to see
S6: male doctors. They can see female doctors. Well, women are
S6: allowed to be educated. So healthcare for women in Afghanistan
S6: is gone. Uh, they're executing people. They're beating people. Their
S6: Sharia law already in place. Uh, this is, you know,
S6: a nightmare. And, uh, people are being starved. There's no
S6: economic stability in Afghanistan. And, you know, and I, I
S6: was so happy to hear about these, um, these Congress
S6: saying there's going to be investigations because I'm not optimistic
S6: enough to believe that, uh, anyone's going to be held accountable,
S6: but at least people will know, um, at least people
S6: will know. And that's one of my goals with this book. Um,
S6: and I, I knew when we wrote this book it
S6: was going to be suppressed. My Instagram has been and
S6: my social media has been just pretty much dialed to
S6: zero over the last weeks. The Pentagon held my book
S6: in review for five months. Um, this. I knew it
S6: was going to be suppressed by it. Uh, so I'm
S6: not optimistic. But despite all that, the world needs to
S6: know the truth about what happened in Afghanistan because we
S6: can never let it happen again. And that needs to
S6: be told. And also, I think it's important, one of
S6: the other messages I want to be told to this
S6: book is that when the governments of the world won't
S6: do the right thing, there's still good people that will.
S6: And we all have our differences and we all have
S6: our disagreements. But one of the most beautiful things I've
S6: seen through this is people that follow me on social
S6: media that don't even like me would write me and say, hey,
S6: I follow you, I don't like you, I don't agree
S6: with you, but what you're doing is a good thing. Uh,
S6: can I where can I donate? Uh, these are people, like,
S6: from the far other side of the political spectrum as me.
S6: Where can I donate? Where can I support? We had
S6: a Jewish organization. We want to make, uh, $1.5 million
S6: donation to pay for two flights. And they went to donate.
S6: And the guy called me up and he said, we
S6: can't make the donation. And I thought maybe I gave
S6: him the routing number wrong. He said, you're a Christian organization.
S6: We're a Jewish organization. We can't give this money to
S6: you guys. And I was like, okay, but do you
S6: realize we're rescuing Muslims? And he said, we laughed and
S6: he said, yes. And and we made the donation and
S6: we we partnered and locked arms to help people, you know,
S6: Jewish organization gave money to Christian organization to rescue Muslims
S6: and Muslims. It was all showing the love of God
S6: to people.
S1: Isn't that the truth? Isn't that the truth? By the way, Chad,
S1: you're being modest. You talk about that situation with Dennis.
S1: I had goosebumps when I was reading those chapters. What
S1: happened at night, the recon, the fact that there were
S1: Russian troops and Chinese troops and that you were being
S1: looked at through scopes and you had to cross through
S1: a river and you were told, don't do it because
S1: your body will go in hypothermia and you'll cramp up
S1: and you won't be able to do it. And you said, ah,
S1: I can do it where you set up camp, keeping
S1: the watch all night long. I mean, you just flew
S1: through that. And yet I when I was reading it, it,
S1: I thought, wow, forget DoD checking the facts. It's just
S1: it's beyond the pale of what the average person experiences
S1: in their life. And you did it for one reason
S1: because of your love for your fellow man. That's a
S1: profound takeaway, by the way, in the copy of the
S1: book that I have, it's redacted. There's all kinds of
S1: things redacted out because the Pentagon did go through the book.
S1: But the bottom line is, what's there means it's inarguably factual.
S1: We were not told by the legacy media the facts
S1: of what went on. There are brokenhearted people hurting people
S1: that got left behind. So I want you to follow
S1: what Chad is doing. I got a link on my website.
S1: This is an issue about loving our fellow man again,
S1: that story that Chad just told you. A Jewish organization
S1: giving to a Christian organization for the rescue of Muslims.
S1: Imago dei the image of God and our fellow man,
S1: whether they're American or Afghan. Chad, I just pray that
S1: your book leaves an everlasting imprint on the lives of
S1: so many. Thank you for who you are and all
S1: you do. See you next time, friends.