1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,320 S1: Hi, friends. This is Janet Partial. Thanks so much for 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:06,600 S1: downloading the broadcast and I hope what you hear will encourage, edify, equip, enlighten, 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,120 S1: and get you out there into the marketplace of ideas. 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:11,160 S1: But before you go, let me tell you about this 5 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,640 S1: month's truce tool. It's written by Robert Morgan, who is 6 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,800 S1: one of my very favorite authors. Through the story of 7 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,400 S1: Zachariah and Elizabeth, we are reminded that God remembers us 8 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,160 S1: and keeps his promises. And what Robert does is he 9 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,920 S1: does a deep dive into Scripture around the birth of 10 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,840 S1: the Messiah and helps us discover the glorious, victorious life 11 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,400 S1: that awaits us in Christ. And in this book, he 12 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,880 S1: reminds us that God has appointed you for this very 13 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,200 S1: special time, that God works grace into your grief, that 14 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,760 S1: God wants to use you, whatever your age. That God 15 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,920 S1: can eradicate fear from your heart, and that God desires 16 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,959 S1: your help in raising up a new generation to serve him. 17 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,519 S1: It is, in a word, a fabulous book, and I 18 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,240 S1: hope you'll want to get a copy. 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Hi friends, this is Janet partial. Thanks so 39 00:01:52,850 --> 00:01:55,050 S1: much for choosing to spend the next hour with us. 40 00:01:55,050 --> 00:01:58,389 S1: Today's program is prerecorded so our phone lines are not open. 41 00:01:58,390 --> 00:02:00,630 S1: But thanks so much for being with us and enjoy 42 00:02:00,630 --> 00:02:01,510 S1: the broadcast. 43 00:02:06,870 --> 00:02:13,710 S2: Come on, pick up, pick up. Are you. Go. God. 44 00:02:46,669 --> 00:02:51,590 S3: Forgive them. Father. I know know what they do. 45 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:16,399 S4: Aren't you the Messiah? Yourself. And? And us. Don't you 46 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:23,200 S4: fear God? You receive the same sentence you did. But 47 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:30,800 S4: he has done no wrong. Remember me, Jesus, when you 48 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:31,799 S4: come as king. 49 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:42,040 S3: I promise you. Today you will be in Paradise with me. 50 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,960 S5: It was now about the sixth hour. And a darkness 51 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:58,340 S5: came over all the land until the ninth hour. The 52 00:03:58,340 --> 00:04:01,300 S5: veil of the temple was torn right down the middle. 53 00:04:10,860 --> 00:04:22,539 S3: Father. Into thy hands. I commit. My spirit. 54 00:04:28,620 --> 00:04:31,700 S1: What must it have been like to be standing on 55 00:04:31,740 --> 00:04:35,220 S1: that hill outside the city of Jerusalem, with the wind blowing, 56 00:04:35,260 --> 00:04:39,660 S1: where they took condemned men to die this slow, excruciating 57 00:04:39,660 --> 00:04:43,460 S1: death by crucifixion on the cross. And what must it 58 00:04:43,460 --> 00:04:46,580 S1: have been like to hear this, this Jesus of Nazareth, who. 59 00:04:46,580 --> 00:04:49,700 S1: Some people understood exactly who he was. Other thought he 60 00:04:49,700 --> 00:04:52,220 S1: was a rabble rouser and a troublemaker. Others had been 61 00:04:52,350 --> 00:04:56,589 S1: plotting his death for years, and others stood in awe 62 00:04:56,630 --> 00:05:00,429 S1: and recognized in the utterance of those last words spoken 63 00:05:00,430 --> 00:05:04,270 S1: on the cross, that Jesus is exactly who he said 64 00:05:04,270 --> 00:05:07,830 S1: he was. He was, after all, lifted up as the 65 00:05:07,830 --> 00:05:10,630 S1: unblemished Lamb of God who takes away the sins of 66 00:05:10,630 --> 00:05:14,190 S1: the world. That wasn't just an event outside the city 67 00:05:14,190 --> 00:05:18,710 S1: of Jerusalem thousands of years ago. Those words resonate today. 68 00:05:18,750 --> 00:05:21,110 S1: Not only did they rock, rattle, and roll open the 69 00:05:21,110 --> 00:05:23,990 S1: gates of hell and issue a challenge that would ultimately 70 00:05:24,029 --> 00:05:27,270 S1: a death be a death sentence to the man who 71 00:05:27,310 --> 00:05:29,630 S1: hates us, to the spirit that hates us so much, 72 00:05:29,630 --> 00:05:32,310 S1: the prince of this world. But it would be the 73 00:05:32,310 --> 00:05:35,590 S1: words that would set the captive free forever. We're going 74 00:05:35,630 --> 00:05:38,390 S1: to spend this entire hour. Put away everything else that's 75 00:05:38,430 --> 00:05:40,349 S1: on your mind. Don't think about anything else. I want 76 00:05:40,350 --> 00:05:43,390 S1: you to just focus on the last words that Jesus 77 00:05:43,390 --> 00:05:45,150 S1: spoke on the cross. I want to welcome you to 78 00:05:45,190 --> 00:05:47,110 S1: In the market with Janet Partial. And that's what we're 79 00:05:47,110 --> 00:05:49,310 S1: going to talk about. I like to put my mind 80 00:05:49,310 --> 00:05:51,880 S1: on things above. I am bound too tightly to this 81 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,680 S1: earth on more than one occasion. But sometimes simply being still, 82 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,640 S1: remembering He is God and what he's done for us 83 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,080 S1: gives me the strength as I know it must. You 84 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,520 S1: as well to put one foot in front of the other. 85 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,440 S1: We're going to spend the hour with Robert Nash. Robert, 86 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,360 S1: by the way, currently serves as pastor of Sawyer Highlands 87 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,560 S1: Church in Southwest Michigan. He has a heart for missions. 88 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,200 S1: He's traveled to several countries for short term missions. He 89 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,640 S1: has a whole boatload of kids, six of them. He 90 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,160 S1: loves teaching basketball and soccer as well. He loves to 91 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,800 S1: teach other people, and he loves to read and run 92 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,680 S1: and travel with his family. And we're excited that this 93 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,680 S1: is his first book. It's called Last Words seven Sayings 94 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,680 S1: from the Heart of Christ on the cross. Robert, the 95 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,080 S1: warmest of welcomes. What a joy. I'm so thankful we're 96 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,640 S1: finally able to have this conversation. I got to ask you, 97 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,280 S1: you grew up, I've discovered in a family of doctors, 98 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,480 S1: and you thought that's exactly where you were going to go. 99 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,720 S1: You decided to go to Wheaton College, and while you 100 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,480 S1: were there, uh oh, it wasn't going to be pre-med. 101 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,260 S1: Now you have a heart for ministry. Tell me how 102 00:06:50,260 --> 00:06:51,100 S1: that happened. 103 00:06:51,140 --> 00:06:53,100 S6: It's, uh. You know, it's a journey. Like the Lord 104 00:06:53,100 --> 00:06:57,660 S6: sometimes puts us on a straight path. Mine's kind of circuitous. Uh, 105 00:06:57,700 --> 00:06:59,900 S6: you know, we grew up in a, a a town 106 00:06:59,940 --> 00:07:01,900 S6: of doctors, and it looks like a great thing. I 107 00:07:01,900 --> 00:07:05,260 S6: knew a number of wonderful, God fearing doctors and, uh, 108 00:07:05,700 --> 00:07:08,900 S6: went to study science and fell in love with ministry. Uh, 109 00:07:08,900 --> 00:07:11,540 S6: I was thinking missions because I knew some, some doctors 110 00:07:11,540 --> 00:07:16,180 S6: that spent some time doing missions and, uh, and then I, I, I, uh, 111 00:07:16,220 --> 00:07:20,220 S6: got involved in doing evangelism and youth ministry in college 112 00:07:20,220 --> 00:07:23,780 S6: and found my heart drawn to or towards pastoral ministry 113 00:07:23,780 --> 00:07:25,900 S6: and moved back to Minnesota. The church I got, I 114 00:07:25,940 --> 00:07:28,980 S6: got saved and grew up in and, um, served there 115 00:07:28,980 --> 00:07:32,300 S6: in youth ministry, did a, a year of chaplaincy and 116 00:07:32,340 --> 00:07:35,500 S6: worked on a master's up in at Bethel College and 117 00:07:35,500 --> 00:07:39,500 S6: Seminary up in Saint Paul, Minnesota. And um, did some, 118 00:07:39,500 --> 00:07:42,900 S6: did some work with the church plant. And, uh, eventually 119 00:07:42,940 --> 00:07:45,460 S6: after a number of years going in and out of 120 00:07:45,460 --> 00:07:48,750 S6: some business work, uh, with uh, some logistic companies. I 121 00:07:48,790 --> 00:07:52,070 S6: found myself here in Southwest Michigan almost eight years ago today, 122 00:07:52,070 --> 00:07:55,070 S6: working full time as a pastor here in Southwest Michigan. 123 00:07:55,110 --> 00:07:57,310 S1: You know, it's interesting, Robert, that while you did not 124 00:07:57,310 --> 00:07:59,750 S1: become a doctor, you did serve as a chaplain, as 125 00:07:59,750 --> 00:08:03,230 S1: you noted earlier. So you were still, in some ways, 126 00:08:03,230 --> 00:08:06,230 S1: walking the halls of medicine nonetheless. Tell me about your 127 00:08:06,230 --> 00:08:07,830 S1: experiences being a chaplain. 128 00:08:08,710 --> 00:08:11,350 S6: Oh, it was powerful. Um, one of the, you know, 129 00:08:11,390 --> 00:08:13,950 S6: the powerful things that that I had the privilege of 130 00:08:13,950 --> 00:08:16,350 S6: doing is the emergency calls where, you know, in the 131 00:08:16,350 --> 00:08:17,990 S6: middle of night, I have a pager back when they 132 00:08:17,990 --> 00:08:19,670 S6: had pagers and I'd get a call to go to 133 00:08:19,670 --> 00:08:21,790 S6: the hospital and meet with the grieving family, as they 134 00:08:21,830 --> 00:08:24,030 S6: have to deal with the loss of a loved one. Um, 135 00:08:24,630 --> 00:08:28,030 S6: or or stand beside a bedside of somebody who's, you know, 136 00:08:28,310 --> 00:08:31,830 S6: on a, a machine and to, to help them breathe and, 137 00:08:31,830 --> 00:08:35,470 S6: and praying with them and helping them. Listening to them, 138 00:08:35,830 --> 00:08:39,310 S6: caring for them. It was, um, it was neat to 139 00:08:39,309 --> 00:08:43,230 S6: be able to be invited into people's, uh, pain and, and, and, uh, 140 00:08:43,270 --> 00:08:46,850 S6: trials and, uh, I, I just, I, it was a 141 00:08:46,850 --> 00:08:50,130 S6: privilege to, to do that. And it was any kind of, uh, 142 00:08:50,690 --> 00:08:52,770 S6: circle back to where I grew up in the, in 143 00:08:52,809 --> 00:08:53,770 S6: a town of doctors. 144 00:08:54,450 --> 00:08:57,370 S1: Wow. That's fascinating. So when we come back, the first 145 00:08:57,370 --> 00:08:59,410 S1: question I want to ask you after the break, Robert, 146 00:08:59,410 --> 00:09:02,330 S1: is why? Because this is your first book. You could 147 00:09:02,370 --> 00:09:05,490 S1: have written about a myriad of topics. What drew you 148 00:09:05,490 --> 00:09:08,050 S1: to the foot of the cross where you listened with 149 00:09:08,050 --> 00:09:10,530 S1: a new kind of intensity to exactly what our Savior 150 00:09:10,530 --> 00:09:12,970 S1: said while he was hanging there for us? I want 151 00:09:13,010 --> 00:09:15,330 S1: to find out what drew you to that point in 152 00:09:15,330 --> 00:09:18,689 S1: human history and what your takeaways were as well. His 153 00:09:18,690 --> 00:09:21,970 S1: book is called Last Words Seven Sayings from the Heart 154 00:09:21,970 --> 00:09:24,850 S1: of Christ on the cross. We get to spend the 155 00:09:24,850 --> 00:09:27,170 S1: entire hour with Robert Nash, and I get to spend 156 00:09:27,170 --> 00:09:29,370 S1: it with you as well. I'm so glad. We'll continue 157 00:09:29,370 --> 00:09:47,540 S1: right after this. The story of Zechariah and Elizabeth reminds 158 00:09:47,540 --> 00:09:50,500 S1: us that God remembers us and keeps his promises. That's 159 00:09:50,500 --> 00:09:52,980 S1: why I've chosen God Hasn't Forgotten you as this month's 160 00:09:52,980 --> 00:09:55,660 S1: truth tool, just like he did through this ancient couple. 161 00:09:55,700 --> 00:09:58,380 S1: God is working in you and through you. As for 162 00:09:58,380 --> 00:10:00,780 S1: your copy of God Hasn't Forgotten You. When you give 163 00:10:00,780 --> 00:10:03,900 S1: a gift of any amount in the market, call 877. 164 00:10:03,900 --> 00:10:07,660 S1: Janet 58. That's 877. Janet 58. Or go to in 165 00:10:07,700 --> 00:10:09,780 S1: the market with Janet dot o r g. 166 00:10:16,740 --> 00:10:37,220 S7: When I said that. The 100th cross. On which the Prince. 167 00:10:40,500 --> 00:10:43,550 S7: Of Lord died. 168 00:10:46,190 --> 00:10:48,790 S1: And we are going to survey that cross this entire 169 00:10:48,790 --> 00:10:51,550 S1: hour with Robert Nash, whose new book is entitled Last 170 00:10:51,550 --> 00:10:54,950 S1: Words Seven Sayings from the Heart of Christ on the cross. 171 00:10:54,950 --> 00:10:57,390 S1: And I want to start, Robert, if I may, with 172 00:10:57,390 --> 00:11:00,189 S1: what drew you to this topic in general? 173 00:11:01,270 --> 00:11:04,309 S6: Yeah. So, you know, I worked as a chaplain and 174 00:11:04,309 --> 00:11:07,710 S6: during that time, um, you hear people on their deathbed, 175 00:11:07,750 --> 00:11:10,190 S6: you see people pass away. And I think when you 176 00:11:10,190 --> 00:11:13,670 S6: only have a few moments or a few days when you, 177 00:11:13,670 --> 00:11:16,430 S6: you see the end, people say things. And there's a 178 00:11:16,429 --> 00:11:19,030 S6: profound importance to some of those things they say. I 179 00:11:19,030 --> 00:11:21,230 S6: went to a Good Friday service around that same time, 180 00:11:21,230 --> 00:11:23,750 S6: and I've never been to anything like that before and 181 00:11:24,150 --> 00:11:27,110 S6: begin to think, why do we call it good? And 182 00:11:27,150 --> 00:11:29,309 S6: as I started meditating on the last words of Christ, 183 00:11:29,309 --> 00:11:32,469 S6: I realized we understand who he is, who Jesus is, 184 00:11:32,470 --> 00:11:34,550 S6: what he was about, and what difference that makes for 185 00:11:34,550 --> 00:11:38,230 S6: our lives. And researching different resources out there, I hadn't 186 00:11:38,230 --> 00:11:41,570 S6: found a book that speaks about it or in a 187 00:11:41,570 --> 00:11:44,890 S6: way that's accessible to somebody. So I wanted to like 188 00:11:45,130 --> 00:11:49,210 S6: help that along by actually working on some messages for 189 00:11:49,210 --> 00:11:51,849 S6: my congregation here in Southwest Michigan. 190 00:11:52,410 --> 00:11:55,490 S1: And so you really had to unpack these declarations and 191 00:11:55,490 --> 00:11:59,089 S1: you list the seven statements. But out of the seven statements, 192 00:11:59,090 --> 00:12:02,290 S1: you've gleaned seven powerful words in the first one. And 193 00:12:02,290 --> 00:12:04,370 S1: we heard it in that opening clip that I played 194 00:12:04,370 --> 00:12:07,250 S1: was this concept of forgiveness. I really want to linger here, Robert. 195 00:12:07,250 --> 00:12:09,689 S1: We could do an hour on this, you know, and 196 00:12:09,690 --> 00:12:11,890 S1: you note this in your book as well, that forgiveness 197 00:12:11,890 --> 00:12:14,370 S1: does not come easily or naturally. Your words. And I 198 00:12:14,370 --> 00:12:17,050 S1: couldn't agree with you more. It doesn't come easily or 199 00:12:17,050 --> 00:12:19,330 S1: naturally when you're standing on your own two feet, let 200 00:12:19,330 --> 00:12:22,410 S1: alone when you're dying. The most excruciating form of capital 201 00:12:22,410 --> 00:12:26,290 S1: punishment known to mankind to this day. So we hear 202 00:12:26,290 --> 00:12:29,569 S1: this idea that after he has been nailed to a 203 00:12:29,570 --> 00:12:33,690 S1: cross between two thieves, that he makes the declaration, father, 204 00:12:33,690 --> 00:12:36,210 S1: forgive them, for they know that what they do. And 205 00:12:36,210 --> 00:12:39,460 S1: here's where I think sometimes we default to just to 206 00:12:39,500 --> 00:12:42,140 S1: kind of a broad brush Sunday school approach? Well, it's Jesus, 207 00:12:42,140 --> 00:12:44,100 S1: of course he would say that. Wait a minute. He 208 00:12:44,100 --> 00:12:46,660 S1: was fully God and he was fully man. And there's 209 00:12:46,660 --> 00:12:49,100 S1: only so many words he's going to utter for the cross. 210 00:12:49,100 --> 00:12:51,540 S1: So I think it's a pretty safe takeaway that every 211 00:12:51,540 --> 00:12:56,900 S1: one of them was purposeful, selective, and powerfully important because 212 00:12:56,900 --> 00:12:59,060 S1: of what he didn't say as opposed to what he 213 00:12:59,059 --> 00:13:02,179 S1: did say. Talk to me about this concept of forgiveness. 214 00:13:02,179 --> 00:13:04,540 S1: First of all, it tells me something about the heart 215 00:13:04,540 --> 00:13:07,940 S1: of Jesus. I don't know if you're 100% innocent and 216 00:13:07,940 --> 00:13:10,620 S1: he was. I'm not sure. Forgiveness is the first thing 217 00:13:10,620 --> 00:13:12,860 S1: that would come to my mind is a mortal. Talk 218 00:13:12,860 --> 00:13:13,780 S1: to me about this. 219 00:13:14,460 --> 00:13:17,860 S6: Right. I think my natural inclination to is, you know, 220 00:13:17,900 --> 00:13:20,660 S6: fight or flight. And here his thoughts are towards those 221 00:13:20,660 --> 00:13:24,699 S6: who are seeking his death, mocking him and ridiculing him, 222 00:13:24,900 --> 00:13:27,900 S6: you know, exacting his punishment on him that he doesn't 223 00:13:27,900 --> 00:13:30,580 S6: deserve at all. And so I think he models for us, 224 00:13:30,580 --> 00:13:33,260 S6: but he but he also offers us something in this 225 00:13:33,460 --> 00:13:37,100 S6: that is just incredible forgiveness. And I think we all, 226 00:13:37,270 --> 00:13:39,910 S6: if we're honest with ourselves, carry around a measure of 227 00:13:39,950 --> 00:13:42,110 S6: guilt and shame from past things that we have that 228 00:13:42,150 --> 00:13:45,670 S6: haunt us. And here his heart is one of compassion 229 00:13:46,190 --> 00:13:51,630 S6: towards his killers. It is it is remarkable and exemplary. And, um, 230 00:13:51,870 --> 00:13:54,150 S6: and so I think it's important for us to, to 231 00:13:54,190 --> 00:13:56,710 S6: hear that, hear what he's saying and hear it towards 232 00:13:56,710 --> 00:13:57,550 S6: us as well. 233 00:13:58,350 --> 00:14:01,630 S1: MM. You point out that there's a verse in Luke 234 00:14:01,630 --> 00:14:05,270 S1: where it basically points out that he who is forgiven 235 00:14:05,270 --> 00:14:07,910 S1: little loves little. Why is that important? 236 00:14:09,470 --> 00:14:13,310 S6: Well, it's it's important for us to understand how much 237 00:14:13,309 --> 00:14:17,150 S6: we're forgiven because it unlocks our ability to, to, to 238 00:14:17,190 --> 00:14:21,950 S6: move into that forgiveness that he offers others and offers us. Um, 239 00:14:21,990 --> 00:14:25,070 S6: if we don't see ourselves as forgiven people, it's really 240 00:14:25,070 --> 00:14:29,070 S6: easy to be bitter and angry and, and vengeful. Uh, 241 00:14:29,070 --> 00:14:32,590 S6: but if we see the, the debt has been paid 242 00:14:32,590 --> 00:14:36,130 S6: for that he loves us to such a great extent, 243 00:14:36,330 --> 00:14:38,890 S6: then we can extend mercy and kindness to those who 244 00:14:39,290 --> 00:14:43,890 S6: have sinned against us. Um, there's that story. And in 245 00:14:43,930 --> 00:14:48,370 S6: the where Jesus tells about, about the, um, the person 246 00:14:48,370 --> 00:14:52,050 S6: who's been forgiven, like the master who forgives this million 247 00:14:52,090 --> 00:14:55,810 S6: dollar debt to this, this servant. And, uh, he goes 248 00:14:55,810 --> 00:14:57,810 S6: off and finds a guy who owes him something like 249 00:14:57,810 --> 00:15:01,650 S6: just a couple bucks and extorts this, you know, penalty 250 00:15:01,650 --> 00:15:05,850 S6: of jail time for him and he doesn't quite understand. 251 00:15:05,850 --> 00:15:09,730 S6: And then the, the the master hears of this and 252 00:15:09,730 --> 00:15:12,250 S6: sends the guy to jail. He, he didn't understand what 253 00:15:12,250 --> 00:15:14,850 S6: he's been forgiven. And I think it's important for us 254 00:15:14,850 --> 00:15:18,090 S6: to understand that, that the gift of grace and forgiveness 255 00:15:18,090 --> 00:15:21,170 S6: that he's offered to us, um, on the cross and 256 00:15:21,370 --> 00:15:22,250 S6: through Christ. 257 00:15:23,210 --> 00:15:26,090 S1: You make this simple but profound statement in the book. 258 00:15:26,090 --> 00:15:31,210 S1: He died to forgive. When you stop and ruminate on that, 259 00:15:31,210 --> 00:15:34,460 S1: that's really pretty powerful. Again, innocent, completely innocent. You know, 260 00:15:34,820 --> 00:15:36,700 S1: we talk a lot about justice in this country, and 261 00:15:36,700 --> 00:15:39,340 S1: there are whole movements founded on that word. So there 262 00:15:39,340 --> 00:15:42,180 S1: would be, from a mortals perspective, again, absolutely nothing just 263 00:15:42,180 --> 00:15:45,300 S1: about sending a totally innocent man to the cross. In fact, 264 00:15:45,300 --> 00:15:48,620 S1: that would be the very picture of injustice. And yet 265 00:15:48,620 --> 00:15:52,260 S1: that doesn't factor into any of this because he died 266 00:15:52,260 --> 00:15:54,660 S1: to forgive. Talk to me about that. 267 00:15:56,420 --> 00:15:59,060 S6: Um, that's that's the that's one of the beautiful things 268 00:15:59,060 --> 00:16:02,460 S6: of the cross. I think one of the, the, one 269 00:16:02,460 --> 00:16:04,700 S6: of the wonderful things we can do is we can 270 00:16:04,700 --> 00:16:06,500 S6: look at it and say, this is how much he 271 00:16:06,500 --> 00:16:09,660 S6: loves us. Romans five eight, God demonstrates his love for 272 00:16:09,660 --> 00:16:11,860 S6: us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died 273 00:16:11,860 --> 00:16:16,020 S6: for us. He demonstrates his mercy and grace in extending 274 00:16:16,020 --> 00:16:18,820 S6: his arms on that cross and thinking of us and 275 00:16:18,820 --> 00:16:21,980 S6: extending forgiveness to us when we put our faith in 276 00:16:21,980 --> 00:16:24,220 S6: him and trust him as our Lord and Savior, our 277 00:16:24,220 --> 00:16:26,820 S6: sins are forgiven. And as far as from the East 278 00:16:26,820 --> 00:16:30,020 S6: and the West, he removes them from us. It is 279 00:16:30,020 --> 00:16:33,960 S6: just a wonderful gift of a. for us that um, 280 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,760 S6: that I think again, he's, he's, he's communicating forgiveness. That's 281 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:40,680 S6: one of the first, that's the first thing he says. 282 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,720 S6: It's amazing. You know, again, I wouldn't be thinking that, 283 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,359 S6: but this is Jesus, our savior on the cross. 284 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:54,640 S1: Yeah, absolutely. Just that concept of really forgiveness, that the 285 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,320 S1: ability to set ourselves free through the act of forgiveness. 286 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,960 S1: At the end of each chapter, you offer a prayer 287 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,920 S1: and you make us reflect on certain things that you've written. 288 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,000 S1: And in this one, dealing with forgiveness, you remind us 289 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,399 S1: to see our need. You remind us to see Jesus. 290 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,159 S1: You tell us to go to God, but you also 291 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,119 S1: tell us to go to others and see who we 292 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,800 S1: need to ask forgiveness for. Let me take a break. 293 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,359 S1: We're talking with Robert Nash, whose new book is called 294 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:23,200 S1: Last Words Seven Sayings from the Heart of Christ on 295 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:24,840 S1: the cross. We continue after this. 296 00:17:54,090 --> 00:18:03,330 S8: Thank you. For the cross. 297 00:18:08,730 --> 00:18:13,930 S1: Thank you for visiting with Robert Nash. Robert has written 298 00:18:13,930 --> 00:18:16,490 S1: the book Last Word seven Sayings from the Heart of 299 00:18:16,490 --> 00:18:20,050 S1: Christ on the cross. Robert is serving currently as pastor 300 00:18:20,050 --> 00:18:23,490 S1: at Sawyer Highlands Church in Southwest Michigan. He has a 301 00:18:23,490 --> 00:18:26,010 S1: heart for missions, and he's traveled to several countries on 302 00:18:26,010 --> 00:18:29,260 S1: short term mission trips. Let me go to again, a 303 00:18:29,260 --> 00:18:31,540 S1: part of that very first clip that I played where 304 00:18:31,580 --> 00:18:36,260 S1: Jesus turns as these thieves are conversing among themselves and 305 00:18:36,260 --> 00:18:39,780 S1: talking at Jesus. I think one was talking to Jesus, 306 00:18:39,940 --> 00:18:43,620 S1: one was talking at Jesus. And Jesus makes the declaration, 307 00:18:43,619 --> 00:18:46,500 S1: truly I say to you, today you will be with 308 00:18:46,500 --> 00:18:49,500 S1: me in Paradise. First of all, talk to me about, 309 00:18:49,540 --> 00:18:51,300 S1: you know, the Bible didn't have to include that there 310 00:18:51,300 --> 00:18:56,060 S1: was a dialogue. One could be rather self-focused, understandably, going 311 00:18:56,060 --> 00:19:01,580 S1: through this slow, excruciating, um, extermination of life. And yet 312 00:19:01,580 --> 00:19:04,780 S1: there's this dialogue. Give me your pastor's heart on this, Robert, 313 00:19:04,780 --> 00:19:07,500 S1: why is this interesting? Because again, God didn't have to 314 00:19:07,500 --> 00:19:09,180 S1: put this in the narrative, but it's there for us. 315 00:19:09,180 --> 00:19:10,419 S1: So it's there for a purpose. 316 00:19:11,820 --> 00:19:14,580 S6: Yeah, I think it it reflects my heart, you know, 317 00:19:14,619 --> 00:19:18,740 S6: as a person, even, uh, you have two criminals there. One, 318 00:19:18,780 --> 00:19:22,260 S6: you know, I'm looking at it, it says, uh, are 319 00:19:22,260 --> 00:19:24,980 S6: you not the Christ? Save yourself and us. You played 320 00:19:24,980 --> 00:19:27,840 S6: that clip and the other one, a rales at the 321 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,960 S6: other one saying, hey, we're here because we did something wrong, 322 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,880 S6: this man's done nothing wrong and these two criminals have 323 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,479 S6: done something wrong. They're there as an example. This is 324 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,840 S6: a hill of death, as you mentioned earlier in your show. 325 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:44,520 S6: And and he recognizes the one criminal says, we've done nothing. 326 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,600 S6: This man's done nothing wrong in that statement. I think 327 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,480 S6: he's he's captured who Christ is. He is the innocent 328 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,280 S6: Lamb of God slain to take away the sin of 329 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,240 S6: the world. And then he turns to Jesus and he. 330 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,800 S6: And he turns to Jesus and says, Jesus, remember me 331 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,400 S6: when you come into your kingdom. 332 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:01,360 S1: Mhm. 333 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,560 S6: You know that that statement is is interesting. He doesn't 334 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,040 S6: see this as the finality of Christ. He's not going 335 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,160 S6: to be dead and done and in the grave. And 336 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,040 S6: then that's the end of the story. He sees him 337 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,639 S6: coming into his kingdom. There's an element of faith there. 338 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,760 S6: This man doesn't have a track record, doesn't have a 339 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,640 S6: track record of giving alms to the poor. He doesn't 340 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,040 S6: have a track record of baptism and conversion and walking 341 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:28,810 S6: an aisle and some spiritual pathway that he's he's gone 342 00:20:28,810 --> 00:20:31,050 S6: through that he can look at himself and say, I've 343 00:20:31,050 --> 00:20:34,210 S6: done this. He's just asking for the mercy of the Lord. 344 00:20:34,570 --> 00:20:38,450 S6: And he sees him as an innocent, innocent, innocent one 345 00:20:38,450 --> 00:20:40,370 S6: and one who's coming into his kingdom. So there's this 346 00:20:40,369 --> 00:20:44,770 S6: element of faith. I love that, and Christ says today, 347 00:20:45,650 --> 00:20:47,770 S6: truly I say to you, today you'll be with me 348 00:20:47,770 --> 00:20:50,570 S6: in Paradise. Today, he doesn't have to jump through some 349 00:20:50,570 --> 00:20:53,090 S6: kind of some other hoops that he has to go through. No, 350 00:20:53,090 --> 00:20:55,010 S6: he's going to be there with them today. And I 351 00:20:55,050 --> 00:20:55,810 S6: love that. 352 00:20:57,690 --> 00:21:00,130 S1: Robert, let me linger here a little bit because this 353 00:21:00,130 --> 00:21:04,050 S1: is a profound lesson in theology. One of the reasons, 354 00:21:04,050 --> 00:21:06,490 S1: and this is just my $0.02 in going through these 355 00:21:06,490 --> 00:21:09,450 S1: passages that I think we're allowed to hear, to peer 356 00:21:09,450 --> 00:21:12,450 S1: into this narrative is because of what you just said. 357 00:21:12,450 --> 00:21:14,290 S1: Let me extrapolate it out just a little bit more, 358 00:21:14,369 --> 00:21:17,889 S1: that there is an added to or subtracted from this 359 00:21:17,890 --> 00:21:22,290 S1: thief's declaration of remember me. And Jesus says I will today. 360 00:21:22,570 --> 00:21:25,510 S1: What I love about that is I believe strongly that 361 00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:27,510 S1: the enemy of our soul loves to tell us that 362 00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:30,150 S1: it's works that get us to the cross, or it's 363 00:21:30,150 --> 00:21:33,190 S1: works that keep us at the cross. This thief had 364 00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:38,030 S1: time to do zero works. It was recognition and acceptance, 365 00:21:38,030 --> 00:21:41,670 S1: recognizing that Jesus is who he said he was. Acceptance 366 00:21:41,670 --> 00:21:45,750 S1: of what was happening and the request to remember me 367 00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:49,909 S1: in Paradise that day again. It's incomprehensible because Robert, everything 368 00:21:49,910 --> 00:21:52,909 S1: you do, everything I do, everything everybody does, listening to us, 369 00:21:53,390 --> 00:21:55,830 S1: we're performance oriented. That's how you get the raise. That's 370 00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:57,710 S1: how you keep the job. That's how you get the advance. 371 00:21:57,710 --> 00:22:00,430 S1: But that's not the way it works in Christianity. So 372 00:22:00,430 --> 00:22:02,670 S1: I love the fact that God is reminding us that 373 00:22:02,670 --> 00:22:05,750 S1: it's what Jesus is doing, as that thief is observing him. 374 00:22:05,910 --> 00:22:08,950 S1: That's going to allow his entrance into Paradise. Not anything 375 00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:11,710 S1: that thief has done at that moment or in his 376 00:22:11,710 --> 00:22:14,270 S1: past that's going to keep him out of Paradise. 377 00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:19,670 S6: That's it's Ephesians 289. It's by grace being saved through faith. Not, 378 00:22:19,830 --> 00:22:21,550 S6: you know, not of ourselves. So we can't boast. It's 379 00:22:21,550 --> 00:22:24,280 S6: not work done by us, so we can't boast. I 380 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,640 S6: love it. Yeah. This is this is my favorite, you know, 381 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,520 S6: part here where we can look at our own self 382 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,760 S6: and say what? You know, look at our sin and 383 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,879 S6: our baggage and the wrong we've done, and look at 384 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,200 S6: the Christ and ask for mercy and find that mercy 385 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:40,600 S6: in him, in him alone. 386 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,040 S1: Yes. That takes our breath away. Lydia, you've joined us 387 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,959 S1: from Florida, and I'm so glad you have. Thanks for 388 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:54,200 S1: calling (877) 548-3675. You have a thought? I'd love to hear it. Please. 389 00:22:55,359 --> 00:23:03,800 S9: Yes. Um, the, uh, what is Luke 747 where it says, um, 390 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:11,440 S9: but to whom little is forgiven the same loveth. So 391 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:18,880 S9: we don't have to love him to, um, to be forgiven. 392 00:23:19,970 --> 00:23:26,970 S9: We're forgiven first. And because he has forgiven us, we 393 00:23:26,970 --> 00:23:30,609 S9: love him. And that that's what the scripture says. 394 00:23:33,170 --> 00:23:34,330 S1: Robert, your response? 395 00:23:35,130 --> 00:23:38,370 S6: Oh, he loves us, you know. You know, before we've 396 00:23:38,369 --> 00:23:41,690 S6: done anything wrong. Romans five eight, while we're still sinners, 397 00:23:42,010 --> 00:23:44,930 S6: you know, God demonstrates his love for us. So I would, 398 00:23:44,970 --> 00:23:48,370 S6: I would agree. Uh, John 316 For God so loved 399 00:23:48,369 --> 00:23:50,449 S6: the world that he gave his one, only one and 400 00:23:50,450 --> 00:23:52,369 S6: only son, that whoever believes in him should not perish 401 00:23:52,369 --> 00:23:56,370 S6: but have everlasting life, and that his love was, uh, 402 00:23:56,690 --> 00:24:00,930 S6: done first. You know, he, he demonstrates love to us, uh, 403 00:24:00,970 --> 00:24:02,649 S6: through dying on the cross for us. 404 00:24:03,250 --> 00:24:06,050 S1: Yeah. While we were yet sinners. Takes our breath away. 405 00:24:06,090 --> 00:24:08,490 S1: Goes back to that works business, doesn't it, Robert? That 406 00:24:08,690 --> 00:24:11,010 S1: really and truly it has nothing to do for us. 407 00:24:11,010 --> 00:24:13,650 S1: We were still in our sinful state, and yet he 408 00:24:13,650 --> 00:24:16,169 S1: loved us. Lydia. Thank you. I appreciate your being a 409 00:24:16,170 --> 00:24:18,830 S1: part of the conversation. Robert Nash is with us for 410 00:24:18,830 --> 00:24:21,790 S1: the entire hour. We are talking about last words, the 411 00:24:21,790 --> 00:24:24,830 S1: seven sayings from the heart of Christ on the cross. 412 00:24:24,869 --> 00:24:27,550 S1: We're going to talk more about what Jesus said while 413 00:24:27,550 --> 00:24:29,790 S1: he paid the price for us when we returned. 414 00:24:31,470 --> 00:24:37,950 S8: Thank you once. Again. 415 00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:51,310 S1: Friends, this is Janet Partial, and I want to take 416 00:24:51,310 --> 00:24:54,110 S1: a moment to remind you that today's program is prerecorded. 417 00:24:54,109 --> 00:24:56,149 S1: So our phone lines are open, but I sure do 418 00:24:56,150 --> 00:24:58,510 S1: appreciate your spending the hour with us. And thanks so 419 00:24:58,510 --> 00:25:05,790 S1: much and enjoy the rest of the program. We live 420 00:25:05,790 --> 00:25:08,230 S1: in a culture that's infatuated with the latest fads, but 421 00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:11,910 S1: Ephesians 415 calls for us to be stable. No longer infants, 422 00:25:11,910 --> 00:25:14,030 S1: Paul said, tossed about by the waves and carried around 423 00:25:14,030 --> 00:25:16,470 S1: by every wind of teaching. And in the market, we're 424 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,440 S1: exposing current trends and finding our balance by standing on 425 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,359 S1: the solid foundation of God's Word. To get exclusive behind 426 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,240 S1: the scenes information and benefits, become a partial partner. Call 427 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,440 S1: 877 Janet 58 or go online to in the market 428 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:29,639 S1: with Janet partial dot. 429 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,320 S10: Now there stood by the cross of Jesus, his mother 430 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,120 S10: and his mother's sister Mary, the wife of Clopas and 431 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,199 S10: Mary Magdalene. When Jesus therefore saw his mother and the 432 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,920 S10: disciple whom he loved standing by, he said to his mother. 433 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,840 S4: Woman, behold your son. 434 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,040 S10: Then he said to the disciple. 435 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,800 S4: Behold your mother. 436 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,840 S10: And from that hour the disciple took her to his 437 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:15,580 S10: own home. After this, Jesus, knowing that all things were 438 00:26:15,580 --> 00:26:19,940 S10: now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said. 439 00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:21,620 S11: I thirst. 440 00:26:22,540 --> 00:26:25,220 S10: Now. A vessel full of sour wine was sitting there, 441 00:26:26,140 --> 00:26:29,379 S10: and they filled a sponge with sour wine, put it 442 00:26:29,380 --> 00:26:33,659 S10: on hyssop, and put it to his mouth. When Jesus 443 00:26:33,660 --> 00:26:35,820 S10: had received the sour wine, he said. 444 00:26:37,300 --> 00:26:40,500 S12: It is finished. 445 00:26:42,900 --> 00:26:47,740 S10: And bowing his head, he gave up his spirit. 446 00:26:53,340 --> 00:26:55,900 S1: This is our conversation today on In the market with 447 00:26:55,900 --> 00:26:58,260 S1: Janet Partial. You know, I think we do ourselves a 448 00:26:58,260 --> 00:27:01,780 S1: disservice as people who desire more than anything else to 449 00:27:01,820 --> 00:27:05,180 S1: be conformed and transformed to the image of Christ, to 450 00:27:05,220 --> 00:27:08,260 S1: simply ruminate on what Jesus said on the cross on 451 00:27:08,260 --> 00:27:11,619 S1: one day a year that we call, paradoxically, Good Friday. 452 00:27:12,020 --> 00:27:14,310 S1: I love the fact that Robert Nash, who's the author 453 00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:16,710 S1: of the book Last Words, Seven Sayings from the Heart 454 00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:20,070 S1: of Christ on the cross, is really drawing us closer 455 00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:24,430 S1: to this conversation, really challenging us to think about what 456 00:27:24,430 --> 00:27:28,750 S1: Jesus said. It's difficult to talk when you're slowly dying 457 00:27:28,790 --> 00:27:31,510 S1: in the hot sun outside the city of Jerusalem, on 458 00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:35,110 S1: a hill designed for execution. So every single word that 459 00:27:35,109 --> 00:27:39,350 S1: Jesus utters obviously has purpose and significance. There's something God 460 00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:42,350 S1: wants us to hear as he's dictating through the power 461 00:27:42,350 --> 00:27:45,990 S1: of the Holy Spirit. Why did he want us to 462 00:27:46,030 --> 00:27:48,950 S1: hear these words? Some of them you read in Matthew, 463 00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:50,750 S1: some of them you read in Luke, some of them 464 00:27:50,750 --> 00:27:54,429 S1: you read in John. That passage we just heard comes 465 00:27:54,430 --> 00:27:56,670 S1: from John, and there are several of the last words 466 00:27:56,670 --> 00:27:59,270 S1: of Jesus in that passage. By the way, if you're 467 00:27:59,270 --> 00:28:01,109 S1: just joining us, you're going to want to have heard 468 00:28:01,109 --> 00:28:03,149 S1: what Robert had to say earlier about some of the 469 00:28:03,150 --> 00:28:05,629 S1: last words. And you can do that by going to 470 00:28:05,670 --> 00:28:09,310 S1: in the market with Janet Parshall. Left hand side, two 471 00:28:09,310 --> 00:28:12,320 S1: words past programs. Click it on and it will let 472 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,080 S1: you download the podcast for this entire hour or any 473 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,640 S1: of the two hours we do every day. Going back 474 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,760 S1: a full year, Robert Nash is with us. Robert, by 475 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,600 S1: the way, serves as pastor at Sawyer Highlands Church in 476 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,440 S1: Southwest Michigan. He has been a hospital chaplain. He loves 477 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,520 S1: to do short term missions. And this, by the way, 478 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,840 S1: is his very first book, again entitled Last Word Seven 479 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,320 S1: Sayings from the Heart of Christ on the cross. This part, behold, 480 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,480 S1: this is the word you want us to focus on. Robert, 481 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,280 S1: in this particular passage that we just heard from John 19. 482 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,760 S1: And for a lot of people, we read it. We 483 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,280 S1: sort of infuse our own familial connections there, but it 484 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,040 S1: is really much deeper than that theologically. Why does Jesus 485 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,040 S1: say to his mother, behold your son referring to John, 486 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,840 S1: and then say to John, behold your mother. This was 487 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,800 S1: more than look after her. Take care of her for 488 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,479 S1: me in my absence. Why this dialogue? For many, they 489 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,080 S1: might think this is almost a throwaway. A little housekeeping issue, 490 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,500 S1: if you will, Before Jesus leaves this earthly experience. But 491 00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:14,340 S1: it's so much more than that. Talk to me about this. 492 00:29:14,700 --> 00:29:18,380 S6: Mary. You know, at a young age when when Jesus 493 00:29:18,380 --> 00:29:22,380 S6: was in a temple, this prophet Simeon gives this prophecy 494 00:29:22,380 --> 00:29:25,620 S6: to her that a sword will pierce her, her soul, 495 00:29:25,660 --> 00:29:28,740 S6: her sword will pierce her. And this sword is seen 496 00:29:28,740 --> 00:29:31,420 S6: here at the cross. I can't think of anything more 497 00:29:31,420 --> 00:29:34,940 S6: excruciating than to see one of my kids suffer. And 498 00:29:34,940 --> 00:29:37,180 S6: then to have your child die in front of you. 499 00:29:37,180 --> 00:29:42,340 S6: This way. I think she was suffering tremendously. And here again, 500 00:29:42,380 --> 00:29:44,860 S6: this is Jesus's third word. He's saying he is dying 501 00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:48,740 S6: of asphyxiation. Not you know, we might think he's bleeding out. Uh, 502 00:29:49,100 --> 00:29:51,660 S6: some kind of, uh, other way. He's dying, but he 503 00:29:51,660 --> 00:29:54,220 S6: has to push down on his on his feet and 504 00:29:54,220 --> 00:29:56,260 S6: pull down on his hands to be able to say anything. 505 00:29:56,260 --> 00:29:58,580 S6: And he looks and his mom with compassion and offers 506 00:29:58,580 --> 00:30:03,540 S6: her this word of compassion. Behold your son. Uh, and 507 00:30:03,540 --> 00:30:06,860 S6: then behold, your mother. He says to John. John is 508 00:30:06,860 --> 00:30:10,110 S6: his disciple, the only disciple that we have recorded there. Um, 509 00:30:10,150 --> 00:30:14,270 S6: he has just betrayed Christ. Um, he fell asleep when 510 00:30:14,270 --> 00:30:16,390 S6: Jesus asked him three times, will you stay awake with 511 00:30:16,390 --> 00:30:19,230 S6: me for one hour and pray with me? And he's 512 00:30:19,270 --> 00:30:23,790 S6: he's contemplating his soon death. So John, I imagine, is 513 00:30:23,790 --> 00:30:27,030 S6: feeling guilt. His mom is feeling this horrible pain of 514 00:30:27,030 --> 00:30:31,710 S6: seeing her son suffer, this horrible death, this unjust death. 515 00:30:32,110 --> 00:30:36,350 S6: And Jesus offers, uh, a word of compassion to his mom. 516 00:30:36,510 --> 00:30:39,950 S6: And then he also also to this disciple. He's offering 517 00:30:40,150 --> 00:30:43,430 S6: a word of mission and I think reconciliation and forgiveness 518 00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:46,350 S6: to him. And so we see something that I think 519 00:30:46,350 --> 00:30:49,510 S6: in our hearts we need as well. We need God's 520 00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:53,710 S6: forgiveness and grace and mercy and compassion and love and, 521 00:30:53,910 --> 00:30:57,430 S6: and we see that in both these behold, behold to 522 00:30:57,470 --> 00:31:00,990 S6: the mother, behold to the disciple. And the disciple moves 523 00:31:00,990 --> 00:31:03,030 S6: forward with faith, and he takes her into the home 524 00:31:03,030 --> 00:31:06,610 S6: that day. Jesus. You know, Mary has other children. There 525 00:31:06,650 --> 00:31:08,650 S6: are other children that we hear about in the Gospels. 526 00:31:08,970 --> 00:31:09,410 S1: Mhm. 527 00:31:09,610 --> 00:31:14,050 S6: But, uh, this is the one that's there who has faith, 528 00:31:14,050 --> 00:31:17,370 S6: who is, uh, who is, you know, watching this horrible 529 00:31:17,370 --> 00:31:22,130 S6: thing happen. And Jesus offers this word of compassion and reconciliation. It's, it's, 530 00:31:22,250 --> 00:31:27,090 S6: I think that's the profound, uh, word there for us today. 531 00:31:27,410 --> 00:31:29,970 S1: You point out again in the reflective section at the 532 00:31:29,970 --> 00:31:33,130 S1: end of this particular chapter, that one of the things 533 00:31:33,130 --> 00:31:35,330 S1: you're asking us to do is to go to others 534 00:31:35,370 --> 00:31:38,330 S1: and comfort those the way we ourselves have been, comfort 535 00:31:38,330 --> 00:31:41,530 S1: that concept. Again, Robert, comes right out of Scripture again, 536 00:31:41,810 --> 00:31:44,570 S1: we've talked about forgiveness from the cross, death in this 537 00:31:44,570 --> 00:31:49,130 S1: excruciating fashion. Forgiveness wouldn't be my first choice, but it's 538 00:31:49,130 --> 00:31:52,810 S1: the Savior's. And he makes that declaration from the cross. Compassion. 539 00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:55,570 S1: John is drawn deeper into this inner circle. You know, 540 00:31:55,610 --> 00:31:57,890 S1: Jesus had siblings who thought, quite honestly, he had lost 541 00:31:57,890 --> 00:32:01,050 S1: his mind. John is an eyewitness to all of this. 542 00:32:01,050 --> 00:32:03,930 S1: Mary was two sitting there at the cross. There's going 543 00:32:03,930 --> 00:32:07,860 S1: to be a linkage between Mary and John, perhaps that 544 00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:10,140 S1: Mary might not have even had with her other children, 545 00:32:10,140 --> 00:32:13,420 S1: because what they had experienced together through the life of Jesus. 546 00:32:13,780 --> 00:32:15,900 S1: But I love this idea that you challenge us to 547 00:32:15,940 --> 00:32:18,620 S1: go and offer comfort to other people. Why is that crucial? 548 00:32:19,060 --> 00:32:22,060 S6: The reality is, how much God loves us is the 549 00:32:22,060 --> 00:32:23,980 S6: kind of love we're supposed to express to each other, 550 00:32:23,980 --> 00:32:27,540 S6: and to our neighbors and to the world. Um, if 551 00:32:27,540 --> 00:32:29,620 S6: we hold this all in, it's kind of like a 552 00:32:29,740 --> 00:32:33,980 S6: dead sea that just rots when we're poured into by 553 00:32:33,980 --> 00:32:36,900 S6: the Holy Spirit, giving us his love so that it 554 00:32:36,900 --> 00:32:39,540 S6: might go forward and people might know the love of Christ. 555 00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:43,460 S6: Jesus says in John 13, they will know my disciples. 556 00:32:43,460 --> 00:32:45,700 S6: You will know them by my by his love. And 557 00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:48,820 S6: that's what marks the Christian is is this this categorically 558 00:32:48,820 --> 00:32:51,420 S6: different love? It's not a transactional love. It's a love 559 00:32:51,420 --> 00:32:55,100 S6: that is one based on just this overflow of grace 560 00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:58,739 S6: that we've received. And I love second Corinthians. Uh, you 561 00:32:58,740 --> 00:33:01,940 S6: know that. Yes, that quote, second Corinthians three four, blessed 562 00:33:01,940 --> 00:33:04,150 S6: be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 563 00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:06,110 S6: the father of mercies, the God of all comfort, who 564 00:33:06,110 --> 00:33:09,310 S6: comforts us in all our affliction. Y so that we 565 00:33:09,310 --> 00:33:12,350 S6: may be able to comfort those who are in any affliction, 566 00:33:12,350 --> 00:33:16,150 S6: with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. 567 00:33:16,550 --> 00:33:18,710 S6: That's the purpose, you know. It's not to be held 568 00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:21,550 S6: in ourselves and hoarded. We're to give this out. 569 00:33:21,870 --> 00:33:24,870 S1: I love that. So when we realize that God is 570 00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:28,070 S1: not only a compassionate God who loves us unconditionally, whose 571 00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:31,950 S1: tender mercies are renewed every morning, but he doesn't comfort 572 00:33:31,950 --> 00:33:35,070 S1: us just for us. He comforts us, thereby affording us 573 00:33:35,070 --> 00:33:39,230 S1: the opportunity to remember to tap into that experience and 574 00:33:39,270 --> 00:33:42,270 S1: offer comfort to someone else. You know, the older I 575 00:33:42,270 --> 00:33:45,830 S1: get in the Lord, the more I realize that he's multiplicity. 576 00:33:45,870 --> 00:33:47,910 S1: It isn't. He can be linear if he wants A 577 00:33:47,950 --> 00:33:50,150 S1: to B, but more and more I realize that there 578 00:33:50,190 --> 00:33:52,550 S1: are so many layers to the tutorials in his classroom, 579 00:33:52,550 --> 00:33:54,670 S1: and this is certainly one of them. May I just, 580 00:33:54,670 --> 00:33:57,070 S1: in deference to time, go to this idea of thirst? 581 00:33:57,430 --> 00:34:01,150 S1: It's such a human need out in the hot sun. 582 00:34:01,290 --> 00:34:04,530 S1: slow hours, hours for people to die on the cross. 583 00:34:04,530 --> 00:34:06,450 S1: This was not a quick execution by any stretch of 584 00:34:06,450 --> 00:34:10,290 S1: the imagination. And so again, one would think the declaration 585 00:34:10,290 --> 00:34:12,810 S1: I thirst to be oh so trivial, but we have 586 00:34:12,810 --> 00:34:15,049 S1: to contextualize it and say, wait a minute. Out of 587 00:34:15,050 --> 00:34:17,089 S1: all the words that God could have had listed there, 588 00:34:17,090 --> 00:34:19,089 S1: he could have taken that one out. But he didn't. 589 00:34:19,130 --> 00:34:21,250 S1: He put it there. So he wants us to have 590 00:34:21,250 --> 00:34:24,209 S1: a takeaway. Why is that? I thirst so significant. 591 00:34:25,650 --> 00:34:29,969 S6: I think it shows us his humanity. In Hebrews 415 592 00:34:29,969 --> 00:34:32,890 S6: it says he was tempted in every way, yet without sin. 593 00:34:32,890 --> 00:34:36,770 S6: He sympathizes with us with our weakness. And so there's 594 00:34:36,770 --> 00:34:40,370 S6: this connection he has with us that he is fully human. 595 00:34:40,650 --> 00:34:42,689 S6: I think there's a sense sometimes we think, oh, you know, 596 00:34:42,730 --> 00:34:45,489 S6: this is he's God and yes, he is God, and 597 00:34:45,489 --> 00:34:48,250 S6: he can't. But then we we can't connect to him. No, 598 00:34:48,250 --> 00:34:51,050 S6: he he understood us. He he took on the form. 599 00:34:51,450 --> 00:34:55,770 S6: Philippians two, he emptied himself of this glory and became 600 00:34:55,770 --> 00:34:59,980 S6: one of us. And it's this thirst. It's There's a 601 00:34:59,980 --> 00:35:03,219 S6: prophetic element to it. In Psalm 22. It talks about 602 00:35:03,219 --> 00:35:07,540 S6: his mouth being parched. Um, but there's also this reality 603 00:35:07,540 --> 00:35:09,900 S6: that he took on the form of man so that 604 00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:12,500 S6: he could die for us and be our substitutionary death, 605 00:35:13,219 --> 00:35:15,859 S6: a substitutionary death on our behalf so that we can 606 00:35:15,860 --> 00:35:19,420 S6: be fully forgiven and righteous before him. 607 00:35:20,020 --> 00:35:22,739 S1: Because he was this concept that quite honestly, the side 608 00:35:22,739 --> 00:35:25,700 S1: of glory I don't think we'll ever fully embrace. But um, 609 00:35:25,700 --> 00:35:27,860 S1: I believe help me in my unbelief, I think fits 610 00:35:27,860 --> 00:35:31,260 S1: in this perfectly. Here is this one individual who was 611 00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:33,460 S1: and always will be the only person who is only 612 00:35:33,460 --> 00:35:35,859 S1: fully God and fully man at the same time. All 613 00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:38,060 S1: of the nuances of that I'll get to learn at 614 00:35:38,060 --> 00:35:39,940 S1: his feet. And I'm glad I have an eternity to 615 00:35:39,980 --> 00:35:42,900 S1: get all of those questions answered. But I love the 616 00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:45,820 S1: declaration in his human state that he says, I thirst 617 00:35:45,820 --> 00:35:49,260 S1: because what he's telling me in my human state is, Janet, 618 00:35:49,260 --> 00:35:51,620 S1: you're going to be thirsty, Robert. You're going to be thirsty, 619 00:35:51,660 --> 00:35:55,700 S1: and I can provide what will quench that thirst. I 620 00:35:55,739 --> 00:35:58,910 S1: am the living waters that you're searching for. So it 621 00:35:58,910 --> 00:36:00,870 S1: was his declaration, but at the same time, it was 622 00:36:00,870 --> 00:36:03,350 S1: the answer to my question. Wow. Let me take a 623 00:36:03,350 --> 00:36:05,470 S1: break and come right back. The book is called Last 624 00:36:05,469 --> 00:36:08,790 S1: Word seven Sayings from the Heart of Christ on the cross. 625 00:36:09,070 --> 00:36:13,950 S1: A conversation worth having every day of the year. Because why? 626 00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:15,870 S1: Because he did it for you. And he did it 627 00:36:15,870 --> 00:36:17,230 S1: for me. Back after this. 628 00:36:18,830 --> 00:36:25,350 S3: You were beaten. You were apart. I go free. When 629 00:36:25,350 --> 00:36:34,230 S3: you were wounded and rejected. In your mercy, I am here. 630 00:36:49,950 --> 00:36:54,030 S13: Then they crucified him and divided his garments, casting lots 631 00:36:54,830 --> 00:36:58,250 S13: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet. 632 00:36:59,330 --> 00:37:03,529 S14: They divided my garments among them. And for my clothing 633 00:37:04,050 --> 00:37:05,330 S14: they cast lots. 634 00:37:05,610 --> 00:37:08,489 S13: Sitting down they kept watch over him. There. And they 635 00:37:08,489 --> 00:37:12,090 S13: put up over his head the accusation written against him. 636 00:37:12,290 --> 00:37:15,970 S13: This is Jesus, the King of the Jews. Then two 637 00:37:15,969 --> 00:37:19,129 S13: robbers were crucified with him, one on the right and 638 00:37:19,130 --> 00:37:23,690 S13: another on the left. And those who passed by blasphemed him, 639 00:37:23,690 --> 00:37:25,009 S13: wagging their heads. 640 00:37:25,330 --> 00:37:28,930 S15: You who destroy the temple and build it in three days, 641 00:37:28,930 --> 00:37:30,570 S15: save yourself. 642 00:37:30,810 --> 00:37:33,970 S16: If you are the Son of God, come down from 643 00:37:33,969 --> 00:37:34,770 S16: the cross. 644 00:37:34,930 --> 00:37:39,810 S13: Likewise, the chief priests, also mocking with the scribes and elders, 645 00:37:39,810 --> 00:37:44,370 S13: said he saved others himself. He cannot save. 646 00:37:44,810 --> 00:37:47,649 S17: If he is the King of Israel, let him now 647 00:37:47,650 --> 00:37:50,890 S17: come down from the cross, and we will believe him. 648 00:37:51,610 --> 00:37:54,370 S18: He trusted in God. Let him deliver him now, if 649 00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:57,939 S18: he will have him. For he said, I am the 650 00:37:57,940 --> 00:37:59,459 S18: Son of God. 651 00:38:00,580 --> 00:38:04,020 S13: Even the robbers who were crucified with him reviled him 652 00:38:04,300 --> 00:38:09,380 S13: with the same thing. Now from the sixth hour until 653 00:38:09,380 --> 00:38:13,940 S13: the ninth hour, there was darkness over all the land. 654 00:38:18,820 --> 00:38:23,739 S13: And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a 655 00:38:23,739 --> 00:38:24,620 S13: loud voice. 656 00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:31,980 S11: Hello, Lama Sabachthani. 657 00:38:32,820 --> 00:38:37,060 S13: That is my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? 658 00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:41,060 S13: Some of those who stood there when they heard that said. 659 00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:43,460 S19: This man is calling for Elijah. 660 00:38:43,980 --> 00:38:46,859 S13: Immediately one of them ran and took a sponge, filled 661 00:38:46,860 --> 00:38:49,140 S13: it with sour wine, and put it on a reed 662 00:38:49,620 --> 00:38:51,460 S13: and offered it to him to drink. 663 00:38:51,980 --> 00:38:55,240 S16: Let him alone. Let us see if Elijah will come 664 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:56,080 S16: to save him. 665 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:03,600 S13: And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice. And 666 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:04,880 S13: yielded up his spirit. 667 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,279 S1: That's the story in the book of Matthew, of the 668 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,880 S1: crucifixion of Christ. We are focusing in on the last 669 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,560 S1: words that Jesus said from the cross. Robert Nash has 670 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,600 S1: written the book Last Words, seven sayings from the Heart 671 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,719 S1: of Christ on the cross, a conversation, as I noted earlier, 672 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,200 S1: worth having every day of the year, not on one 673 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,359 S1: day that we set aside calling it Good Friday, but 674 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,799 S1: remembering what Jesus did for us every day. And in 675 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,520 S1: the midst of the chaos of this current world. I 676 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,520 S1: don't know about you, but pulling over to the side 677 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,440 S1: of the road and just setting my mind on things 678 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,439 S1: above is so refreshing, and I'm so glad we're having 679 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,680 S1: this conversation. Robert is not only the author of this book, 680 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,040 S1: but he also happens to be pastor at Sawyer Highlands 681 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,490 S1: Church in Southwest Michigan. Robert, let me go to this 682 00:39:51,489 --> 00:39:54,690 S1: concept where Jesus cries out about His father forsaking him. 683 00:39:54,730 --> 00:39:57,450 S1: There are so many compelling moments. This is the one 684 00:39:57,450 --> 00:40:00,770 S1: where I catch my breath because I remember back in 685 00:40:00,770 --> 00:40:03,609 S1: the garden when Jesus is praying and he asks if 686 00:40:03,610 --> 00:40:06,890 S1: it's possible if his father would remove the cup from him. 687 00:40:06,890 --> 00:40:10,850 S1: This cup that Jesus knew this, this excruciating pain, this 688 00:40:10,890 --> 00:40:15,290 S1: experience physically, that's almost incomprehensible, to say nothing of what 689 00:40:15,290 --> 00:40:17,770 S1: I think compels him to make this statement about why 690 00:40:17,810 --> 00:40:21,850 S1: have you forsaken me? This incomprehensible idea of taking on 691 00:40:21,890 --> 00:40:24,850 S1: the sins of the world past, present, and future. It's 692 00:40:24,850 --> 00:40:28,810 S1: a holy God we serve. So this heart cry and 693 00:40:28,810 --> 00:40:31,850 S1: the way it's done in that particular rendition of the scriptures, 694 00:40:31,850 --> 00:40:35,689 S1: just it comes from somewhere deep inside. So the cup 695 00:40:35,690 --> 00:40:40,370 S1: doesn't pass in obedience and an abject submission. Jesus puts 696 00:40:40,370 --> 00:40:41,930 S1: one foot in front of the other and walks his 697 00:40:41,969 --> 00:40:45,490 S1: way to the cross, where he is able to say, declaratively, 698 00:40:45,489 --> 00:40:47,450 S1: it is finished. We'll get to that in a moment. 699 00:40:47,690 --> 00:40:50,460 S1: But talk to me about this heart cry, why have 700 00:40:50,460 --> 00:40:52,740 S1: you forsaken me? Some people would say, wait a minute, 701 00:40:53,020 --> 00:40:55,580 S1: I don't get it. He's fully man. He's fully God. 702 00:40:55,900 --> 00:40:58,819 S1: What does this statement mean and what is the significance 703 00:40:58,820 --> 00:41:00,580 S1: of that statement for me? 704 00:41:01,980 --> 00:41:04,260 S6: Yeah, I think we have to look at what is 705 00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:06,819 S6: what is actually he saying. Because they they actually misinterpret 706 00:41:06,820 --> 00:41:10,299 S6: him saying the man is calling Elijah. Uh, he's he's 707 00:41:10,460 --> 00:41:14,299 S6: using a quote from Psalm 22. So if we take 708 00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:17,540 S6: Psalm 22 and read it in its entirety, there's prophetic 709 00:41:17,580 --> 00:41:22,540 S6: fulfillment after prophetic fulfillment after prophetic fulfillment. He's calling to mind. Remember, 710 00:41:22,540 --> 00:41:25,620 S6: this is a their educational system is one of oral 711 00:41:25,660 --> 00:41:29,580 S6: tradition where they repeat these words. This is memorized Scripture 712 00:41:29,580 --> 00:41:32,180 S6: in his heart. And it's My God, my God, why 713 00:41:32,219 --> 00:41:35,100 S6: have you forsaken me? And it's different than the father 714 00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:37,780 S6: he he calls to in the first thing he says, 715 00:41:37,820 --> 00:41:40,140 S6: and the last thing he says, it's it's not, it's 716 00:41:40,140 --> 00:41:43,899 S6: a god. And there's this, there's this, um, penalty that's 717 00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:47,259 S6: being exacted on him that's far greater. We think of 718 00:41:47,260 --> 00:41:50,880 S6: the cross as being this horrible, painful death. And it is. 719 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,120 S6: It is. But there's something going on here spiritually that 720 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,920 S6: is far more significant. What that is, is the substitutionary 721 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,560 S6: death of Christ on our behalf, where he is bearing, 722 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,680 S6: as you mentioned, the wrath for our sin, so that 723 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,319 S6: the good news is we don't have to, but it 724 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,520 S6: isn't something that that we take lightly. And that's why 725 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,280 S6: this is a cry of agony as that dramatic portrayal was. 726 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,920 S6: This is this is horrible, beyond horrible. We cannot imagine 727 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,680 S6: because it's not just my sin. It's the whole world's sin. 728 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,760 S6: Those who trust in Christ as their Lord and Savior, 729 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,320 S6: all their sins are paid for in that moment on 730 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,480 S6: the cross, right there when God is with his forsaking 731 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:32,719 S6: is happening. This mysterious, somehow wrath bearing event is happening 732 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:34,160 S6: on the cross. 733 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,440 S1: Well, Robert, let me linger here because in that the 734 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,919 S1: way it's sung during the Messiah, behold, I show you 735 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,839 S1: a mystery. If there's ever a mystery in Scripture, this 736 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,810 S1: would be it. The forsaking, by the way, is temporary. 737 00:42:46,810 --> 00:42:49,250 S1: I want to point that out. That's so profoundly significant 738 00:42:49,250 --> 00:42:52,129 S1: because Jesus is not forever forsaken for his God. It's 739 00:42:52,130 --> 00:42:55,130 S1: in that substitutionary moment. You're brilliant use of that word 740 00:42:55,410 --> 00:42:57,530 S1: where he takes on all those sins that holy God, 741 00:42:57,570 --> 00:42:59,770 S1: out of necessity, out of his nature, has to look 742 00:42:59,810 --> 00:43:04,650 S1: the other way. Um, that separation must be so profound. 743 00:43:04,650 --> 00:43:08,250 S1: If I turn that around, doesn't it say equally the 744 00:43:08,250 --> 00:43:11,410 S1: profundity of what it means to be close to God, 745 00:43:11,410 --> 00:43:14,170 S1: if being separated from him creates that kind of a 746 00:43:14,170 --> 00:43:14,969 S1: deep cry? 747 00:43:16,570 --> 00:43:21,089 S6: Wow. Yeah, I think you're right there. There is in 748 00:43:21,090 --> 00:43:26,330 S6: the cross this expression of the how how great our 749 00:43:26,330 --> 00:43:29,890 S6: sin is, right? The the cost is, is so great 750 00:43:30,170 --> 00:43:33,009 S6: that the that God would have to suffer this. But 751 00:43:33,010 --> 00:43:36,049 S6: then there's also the the corollary, as you're talking about 752 00:43:36,050 --> 00:43:40,170 S6: this profound, profound reality that the, the amount of love, 753 00:43:40,370 --> 00:43:43,730 S6: the expression of affection, the expression of care and, and 754 00:43:43,730 --> 00:43:47,870 S6: desire to be with is so great as well. Simultaneously. 755 00:43:48,590 --> 00:43:51,750 S1: Yeah. Wow. Let me. Only in deference to time. And 756 00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:54,030 S1: by the way, friends, there's more in the book obviously, 757 00:43:54,030 --> 00:43:57,029 S1: than we can discuss. But as a quick capstone and 758 00:43:57,030 --> 00:44:01,230 S1: I've got 30s. Robert, the separation is temporary because Jesus 759 00:44:01,230 --> 00:44:04,870 S1: ends by committing his spirit to his father. 30s why 760 00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:06,030 S1: is that important for us? 761 00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:11,030 S6: We have a long longing to be part, to be 762 00:44:11,110 --> 00:44:13,830 S6: children of God, and he offers that through his death 763 00:44:13,830 --> 00:44:16,910 S6: and resurrection and belief in him, so we can become 764 00:44:16,910 --> 00:44:19,230 S6: children of God. And that's where we see that in 765 00:44:19,230 --> 00:44:22,790 S6: his cry to the father at the end. Wow. 766 00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:25,069 S1: What a note to end it on. Robert, thank you 767 00:44:25,070 --> 00:44:28,150 S1: so much. Thank you for the winsome way that you 768 00:44:28,190 --> 00:44:30,509 S1: encourage us to remember what he's done for us, to 769 00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:33,109 S1: pray about it, to reflect and how it impacts our 770 00:44:33,110 --> 00:44:35,830 S1: relationship with other people, not only our walk with the Lord. 771 00:44:35,830 --> 00:44:38,110 S1: Thank you for that. The book is called Last Words 772 00:44:38,110 --> 00:44:40,310 S1: seven sayings from the Heart of Christ on the cross. 773 00:44:40,310 --> 00:44:42,910 S1: Thank you Robert. Thank you friends. We'll see you next time.