WEBVTT - Hour 1: Bible Q & A with Two Michaels 0:00:08.660 --> 0:00:12.860 It's a different kind of two Michaels program today. Stay 0:00:12.860 --> 0:00:16.940 with me. We'll talk about that in just a moment. Hello, friends. 0:00:16.940 --> 0:00:20.090 Welcome to Open Line. My name is Michael Radonich. I'm 0:00:20.090 --> 0:00:22.939 the academic dean and professor of Jewish studies and Bible 0:00:22.940 --> 0:00:25.729 at Moody Bible Institute. And now it's time for our 0:00:25.730 --> 0:00:30.320 Bible study across America. We're sitting around the radio kitchen table. 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:34.790 We're talking about your questions about the Bible, God, and 0:00:34.790 --> 0:00:37.339 the spiritual life. If you have a question and you'd 0:00:37.340 --> 0:00:45.170 like to call, here's the phone number (877) 548-3675. Let me 0:00:45.170 --> 0:00:46.790 give that to you again. Maybe you can write it 0:00:46.790 --> 0:00:54.680 down (877) 548-3675. And everyone wants to know I always try 0:00:54.710 --> 0:00:57.920 to get through, but I can't, uh, I get a 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:01.270 busy signal. Here's the best way to get through. Call now, 0:01:01.300 --> 0:01:03.580 right at the beginning of the program. That's the time 0:01:03.580 --> 0:01:10.270 to get through. (877) 548-3675. Tricia McMillan is in the producer's chair. 0:01:10.300 --> 0:01:13.750 Omar Mendoza is our tech guy today, and Titus is 0:01:13.750 --> 0:01:21.400 answering the phones again. Phone number (877) 548-3675. It's time to 0:01:21.430 --> 0:01:24.340 get yourself a cup of coffee and open your Bible. 0:01:24.340 --> 0:01:26.680 We're about to study the scriptures together, and I have 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:29.890 someone that's going to study with us today, and I 0:01:29.890 --> 0:01:32.410 want to introduce him before anything else. His name is 0:01:32.410 --> 0:01:36.160 doctor Mike Fabares. He's the lead pastor at Compass Bible Church. 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:39.730 He's the Bible teacher on Focal Point Radio, a nationally 0:01:39.730 --> 0:01:43.360 syndicated radio program heard all across Moody Radio and other 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:47.290 stations as well. This audience knows him well. He's the 0:01:47.290 --> 0:01:50.740 regular guest host on Open Line. He's one of my 0:01:50.740 --> 0:01:54.010 favorite Bible teachers. Listen to his program all the time, 0:01:54.010 --> 0:01:56.980 and I'm grateful to call him friend. I want to 0:01:56.980 --> 0:01:59.670 thank you for joining me this morning as I crash 0:01:59.670 --> 0:02:03.630 your studio here at Compass Bible Church. Mike. Well, you're. 0:02:03.630 --> 0:02:07.800 In California and you're still still kicking. God didn't strike 0:02:07.830 --> 0:02:10.290 you down coming to the left coast this week. 0:02:10.380 --> 0:02:13.859 Yeah. You know, it's a beautiful facility here. And I 0:02:13.860 --> 0:02:17.549 really encourage anyone that comes out to Orange County. Aliso Viejo. 0:02:17.580 --> 0:02:19.470 Did I say it right? Close enough. 0:02:19.500 --> 0:02:23.340 Close enough. Better than my Hebrew pronunciation. Okay. That's good. Okay. 0:02:23.850 --> 0:02:27.929 It's a beautiful church, and it's a really terrific place 0:02:27.930 --> 0:02:30.930 to hear the word taught and become a part of 0:02:30.930 --> 0:02:34.200 a community of believers. But, you know, it's unfortunate. I 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:37.380 don't think Open Line really airs here in Orange County. 0:02:37.410 --> 0:02:38.910 I don't think we have a station. I've got to 0:02:38.910 --> 0:02:41.010 find a station only online. 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:42.810 Yeah, I think only online. 0:02:42.810 --> 0:02:46.799 Anyway, it's, uh, great to have you. I think that 0:02:47.190 --> 0:02:51.420 before we answer calls, there's something I wanted to talk 0:02:51.419 --> 0:02:54.090 with you about. I heard you share your faith story 0:02:54.090 --> 0:02:56.370 once about how it is that you came to know 0:02:56.370 --> 0:03:00.610 the Lord. I think it's so, well, unique for what 0:03:00.610 --> 0:03:03.370 I would say, a moody student experience. So why don't 0:03:03.370 --> 0:03:03.940 you tell us that? 0:03:03.970 --> 0:03:07.210 Well, I became a Christian in Culbertson Hall in the 0:03:07.210 --> 0:03:11.770 16th floor in 1609. That little cracker box of a 0:03:11.770 --> 0:03:17.230 of a dorm room. And I was trying to just 0:03:17.230 --> 0:03:19.690 be obedient to my father, and I was not doing 0:03:19.690 --> 0:03:24.220 it happily. See, my dad had said to me, had 0:03:24.220 --> 0:03:27.519 said to me that I needed to go to Bible 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:34.360 school before I went to college. And of course, I 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:36.160 was in a situation of saying, well, I got my 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:40.270 college all planned out, dad. But, you know, my dad, Jake, 0:03:40.270 --> 0:03:42.160 he said, you got to go to Bible school because 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:43.510 if you don't get a year of Bible school, you're 0:03:43.510 --> 0:03:45.250 going to go to the university and you're going to 0:03:45.250 --> 0:03:48.160 be you're going to be wiped out because all the 0:03:48.190 --> 0:03:49.990 all the things that are teaching at the university these 0:03:49.990 --> 0:03:52.570 days is going to corrupt your faith. Well, dad, of course, 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:54.310 thought I had faith because I was a church kid, 0:03:54.340 --> 0:03:57.180 grew up in church and thought just because I went 0:03:57.180 --> 0:03:59.850 to church, I was a Christian and I got to 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:02.820 the place of realizing once I got to Moody, putting 0:04:02.820 --> 0:04:07.470 in my my one year that, um, I wasn't and 0:04:07.470 --> 0:04:09.660 that was that was a hard realization. I didn't know 0:04:09.660 --> 0:04:12.390 what was going on exactly, but I knew I couldn't 0:04:12.390 --> 0:04:14.460 have one foot in and one foot out. And that's 0:04:14.460 --> 0:04:17.070 kind of how I realized, as I got exposed to 0:04:17.100 --> 0:04:20.910 the great teaching of the professors at Moody. Here I 0:04:20.910 --> 0:04:23.339 was as an 18 year old, just turned 18, and 0:04:23.339 --> 0:04:25.950 I said, God, I'm either going to have to get 0:04:25.950 --> 0:04:28.080 out of this place because it's too much pressure. It's 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.979 making me sweat. Every, every class is is killing me here. 0:04:31.980 --> 0:04:35.489 And I realized that Christianity was was not something you 0:04:35.490 --> 0:04:38.070 could do part time. And I realized that's what I 0:04:38.070 --> 0:04:41.730 was doing on Sundays and Wednesdays as a teenager. But 0:04:42.029 --> 0:04:44.400 I remember kneeling down at my bed there in that 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:47.430 little dorm room facing downtown, hearing the sirens and all 0:04:47.430 --> 0:04:50.669 that was going on. And I said, God, you've got 0:04:50.670 --> 0:04:53.730 my life. This is I'm tired of fighting. I'm tired 0:04:53.730 --> 0:04:56.690 of holding back. I'm tired of keeping my own dreams 0:04:56.810 --> 0:04:59.060 in my own back pocket. And saying I can put 0:04:59.060 --> 0:05:02.030 a little Christ in my life and be okay. And really, 0:05:02.029 --> 0:05:05.539 was that truth of Second Corinthians 515 that, you know, 0:05:05.570 --> 0:05:08.480 I had to see it as that Christ had died 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:10.909 for me, so that those who live would no longer 0:05:10.910 --> 0:05:13.100 live for themselves, but for the one who died for 0:05:13.100 --> 0:05:17.030 them and rose again. So I, uh, I just said, God, 0:05:17.060 --> 0:05:19.460 I'm yours. And everything changed. From that point on, I 0:05:19.460 --> 0:05:21.830 realized there was a real organic change from the inside out. 0:05:21.830 --> 0:05:23.870 And that's what the Bible calls the Holy Spirit invading 0:05:23.870 --> 0:05:26.330 your life. And things were different from that point on 0:05:26.330 --> 0:05:27.799 and put me on a path that ended up right 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.440 here in the studio with Michael Riedel. Nick. Yeah, look 0:05:30.470 --> 0:05:31.670 at that. Amazing. 0:05:31.730 --> 0:05:35.300 Now, was it after hearing a sermon by at Moody Church? 0:05:35.330 --> 0:05:35.960 Is that what I. 0:05:35.990 --> 0:05:38.780 Well, Moody Church and Erwin Lutzer. It's funny. You're going 0:05:38.810 --> 0:05:40.730 to preach for me this weekend here at our church, 0:05:40.730 --> 0:05:43.460 and I'm so thankful for that. Last week, Erwin Lutzer 0:05:43.460 --> 0:05:46.070 was here preaching. Oh, wow. Yeah. And I'll tell you what, 0:05:46.070 --> 0:05:48.890 it's just so great to have him here because he 0:05:48.890 --> 0:05:52.610 was the pastor that after I had become a Christian, 0:05:52.750 --> 0:05:54.400 I said, God, what am I supposed to do with 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:56.680 my life? And he preached the sermon. We went to 0:05:56.710 --> 0:05:59.890 dinner last week and I told him this story, which 0:05:59.890 --> 0:06:02.200 I think I've told him before, but I said, you know, 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:04.630 you said something about, uh, you know, we don't need 0:06:04.660 --> 0:06:06.070 Christians to dabble in a lot of things. We need 0:06:06.100 --> 0:06:08.289 Christians to do one thing and do it well. And 0:06:08.290 --> 0:06:09.910 once I said, you said that, he said, oh, I 0:06:09.910 --> 0:06:14.020 was quoting someone else. But that was the thing that 0:06:14.020 --> 0:06:16.510 got me thinking, God, what's my one thing? What am 0:06:16.510 --> 0:06:18.370 I supposed to do with my life? I want to 0:06:18.370 --> 0:06:20.020 live for Christ, but I don't know what I'm supposed 0:06:20.020 --> 0:06:22.240 to do. So, you know, being 18, that was a 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:24.430 great time to kind of ask that question. That's why 0:06:24.460 --> 0:06:27.220 Moody is so important as an institute, right? Moody is 0:06:27.250 --> 0:06:30.010 a place that's taking young lives, young lives and helping 0:06:30.010 --> 0:06:32.890 them kind of calibrate and aim their lives by God's 0:06:32.890 --> 0:06:37.150 grace into the most fruitful and effective life they can live. So, 0:06:37.150 --> 0:06:41.890 so important that that Erwin preached that sermon and Doctor 0:06:41.890 --> 0:06:45.160 Lutzer had such an instrumental role in my life. But no, 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.260 it was a missions night. I got saved on a 0:06:47.260 --> 0:06:49.450 night that someone came to Moody, I think it was 0:06:49.450 --> 0:06:52.370 in October, and he preached some sermon about, you know, 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.620 the need for world missions, which Moody, you know, was 0:06:54.620 --> 0:06:57.049 known for. And I don't I don't even know what 0:06:57.050 --> 0:07:00.260 he said other than I thought, I'm not that guy. 0:07:00.290 --> 0:07:01.940 I don't want to go to the mission field. And 0:07:01.940 --> 0:07:04.730 and I realize, you know, what is it that I 0:07:04.730 --> 0:07:08.600 want versus what Christ wants? And that led me to 0:07:08.630 --> 0:07:10.670 real repentance and faith by God's grace. 0:07:10.700 --> 0:07:13.820 Huh? That's I think that's a great story. Every now 0:07:13.820 --> 0:07:16.790 and then, I hear stories like that of moody students 0:07:16.790 --> 0:07:19.700 who came because of encouragement by their dad. They thought 0:07:19.700 --> 0:07:22.340 they knew the Lord. You know what Paul says? Examine 0:07:22.340 --> 0:07:25.130 yourself to see if you're in the faith, because, you know, 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:29.480 it could be that it's just sort of a cultural thing. And, uh, 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:31.130 especially if you're young people. 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.500 Well, I figured if Martin Luther could be a monk 0:07:33.500 --> 0:07:36.260 before he became a Christian, then I certainly could be 0:07:36.260 --> 0:07:38.930 a Bible school student before I became a Christian. 0:07:39.290 --> 0:07:41.720 I just think that's great. And I'm so glad, you know, 0:07:41.750 --> 0:07:43.940 now you serve on the board of trustees of Moody 0:07:43.940 --> 0:07:46.820 Bible Institute. Yes. I think that that's just a great 0:07:46.820 --> 0:07:50.210 movement from coming to Moody not even knowing the Lord. 0:07:50.260 --> 0:07:50.800 Yeah. 0:07:51.010 --> 0:07:52.540 And now you're on the trustee board. 0:07:52.630 --> 0:07:54.940 Amazing. God's great. God's sense of humor. 0:07:54.970 --> 0:07:57.400 Yeah. Okay, so here's the other thing. Since Thanksgiving is 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:01.570 coming up, I thought this is something that's really important. 0:08:01.570 --> 0:08:03.880 I was thinking about one of my favorite Thanksgiving verses. 0:08:03.910 --> 0:08:06.370 Psalm 105. Oh, give thanks to the Lord, for he 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:10.660 is good. Uh, call upon his name. That's the first 0:08:10.660 --> 0:08:14.650 verse of Psalm 105. A lot of times people neglect this. 0:08:14.650 --> 0:08:17.980 And I was my wife was actually listening to a 0:08:17.980 --> 0:08:21.640 message you gave on Focal Point. Uh, that it's not 0:08:21.670 --> 0:08:27.250 that our culture today is more about they treat Thanksgiving, 0:08:27.250 --> 0:08:32.829 about being thankful. We just should be thankful. But there's 0:08:32.830 --> 0:08:37.600 no object. There's no direct object of to whom we're thankful. Yes. 0:08:37.630 --> 0:08:40.630 And and that's what she said you were talking about 0:08:40.630 --> 0:08:41.500 in that message while I. 0:08:41.500 --> 0:08:43.689 Was preaching on that, because I had watched the news 0:08:43.690 --> 0:08:46.929 and I watched some broadcasters or newscasters say something about, 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:49.230 you know, how thankful we should be this week and 0:08:49.260 --> 0:08:52.200 of course had no reference to God. And I thought 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.569 in my own life I've seen people that feel really 0:08:54.570 --> 0:08:57.030 happy with their life. I got a great job. I 0:08:57.030 --> 0:09:00.360 got my kids are healthy, everything's good. I'm so thankful. 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:03.719 And it's an emotional feeling of everything's good in my life. 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:05.550 And so I guess the right thing to say is 0:09:05.550 --> 0:09:08.940 I'm thankful. But it's into the ether, right? There's no 0:09:09.420 --> 0:09:12.150 they're not thankful to anyone for anything. And they're certainly 0:09:12.150 --> 0:09:14.520 not calling out to that person as the one who 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:17.760 provides everything. They're just saying, I feel good. Look at 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.550 how good my life is. I'm thankful as though that's 0:09:20.550 --> 0:09:22.950 a humble way to say, look at what I've accomplished, right? 0:09:22.980 --> 0:09:25.740 They're not Nebuchadnezzar walking around on the portico of his palace, 0:09:25.740 --> 0:09:28.560 but they have a sense of yeah, okay, I'm thankful. 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:31.470 And I just irritated me. And before that, I preached 0:09:31.470 --> 0:09:34.349 that sermon. I just, I thought, we have to be clear. 0:09:34.350 --> 0:09:36.929 We cannot let people get away with saying they're thankful. 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:39.839 You need to ask them to to to who are 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:43.439 you thankful to? To what? Yourself. Right? The cosmos, you know, 0:09:43.590 --> 0:09:45.839 who are you thankful to? And of course, the Bible 0:09:45.870 --> 0:09:48.290 gives us the answer, right? Every good and perfect gift 0:09:48.290 --> 0:09:50.660 comes from God, and we need to be thankful to him. 0:09:50.660 --> 0:09:52.309 And then we need to call on his name because 0:09:52.309 --> 0:09:53.690 he's the one that provides everything for us. 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:57.230 Exactly, exactly. So that's that's why I like Psalm 105. 0:09:57.260 --> 0:10:00.650 There's so many verses about thankfulness, but it's always being 0:10:00.650 --> 0:10:03.920 thankful to the one who is our great provider, our 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:08.150 great giver, with his kindness. And so again this year 0:10:08.150 --> 0:10:10.219 at Thanksgiving, when you sit around the table and everyone 0:10:10.220 --> 0:10:13.400 says how thankful they are, remember folks who are supposed 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:17.599 to say we're thankful to and call upon him more 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:20.990 and more. One of the things I love about, uh, 0:10:21.230 --> 0:10:25.100 of many things I love about my wife, but one 0:10:25.100 --> 0:10:27.410 thing I love is whenever someone says, how are you doing? 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:32.059 She always says, Thank God. Mhm. Mhm. Because in him 0:10:32.059 --> 0:10:34.670 we live and move and have our being every breath 0:10:34.670 --> 0:10:35.390 we take. 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:37.819 She knows that of late. Yeah, yeah. How God has 0:10:37.820 --> 0:10:39.140 taken her through so much. Yeah. 0:10:39.140 --> 0:10:42.560 So God's been good. So good. Yeah. Okay. Well, uh, 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:47.130 I think it's time to take a call. Uh. Uh, 0:10:47.130 --> 0:10:48.600 who do we have first? Well, well, let's. 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.630 Start with, uh, we've got a call from Florida here. 0:10:51.660 --> 0:10:55.350 Uh nilsa. You're on the air with Michael and Mike. 0:10:55.380 --> 0:10:56.340 How can we help? 0:10:58.020 --> 0:10:59.520 Yes, sir. How can we help you? Yeah. 0:11:00.570 --> 0:11:05.100 Yes. I just have a question regarding cremation, and, um. 0:11:05.100 --> 0:11:07.620 Is it wrong? Is it right, or where in the 0:11:07.620 --> 0:11:09.990 Bible would I find something like that? 0:11:10.830 --> 0:11:13.170 Oh, Neil said, let me just tell you something I 0:11:13.170 --> 0:11:17.190 used to. I'm going to tell you this because it's 0:11:17.190 --> 0:11:21.840 a book written by pastor Mike that changed my perspective 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:26.970 on cremation. Uh, not because I ever thought it was good, 0:11:27.510 --> 0:11:31.980 but because I didn't think that the Bible spoke to it. 0:11:31.980 --> 0:11:34.680 So here, I'll give you my answer. And then I'm 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:36.780 going to have pastor Mike jump in. I'm going to 0:11:36.780 --> 0:11:41.520 start this way. Uh, first of all, I, I didn't 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:44.429 personally think that the Bible spoke to it. A lot 0:11:44.460 --> 0:11:47.540 of people are looking to save money and so they 0:11:47.540 --> 0:11:52.069 are choosing create a cremation as an alternative. But I 0:11:52.070 --> 0:11:55.160 always would say, listen, I was raised in an observant 0:11:55.160 --> 0:12:00.560 Jewish home. According to Judaism, we must treat the body 0:12:00.830 --> 0:12:05.300 as a vessel that held something holy and therefore should 0:12:05.300 --> 0:12:08.750 be treated with respect and dignity and not cremated. And 0:12:08.750 --> 0:12:13.610 then I further feel this way, because I had most 0:12:13.610 --> 0:12:20.120 of my family murdered and cremated at Auschwitz and Treblinka, 0:12:20.540 --> 0:12:24.800 even four brothers and a sister, half brothers and half sister. 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:28.670 So the the result was I just found it creepy 0:12:28.670 --> 0:12:31.040 and didn't like it, but I didn't think there was 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:33.350 anything in the Bible. But then I read a book 0:12:33.350 --> 0:12:35.390 by pastor Mike and this is what he has to 0:12:35.390 --> 0:12:36.110 say about it. 0:12:36.140 --> 0:12:38.240 Well, I did write a chapter on this because I, 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.579 I thought through this issue and I said, well, there's 0:12:40.580 --> 0:12:43.010 no verse or chapter I can look at that just 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:45.219 is one verse I could quote and say, hey, it's 0:12:45.220 --> 0:12:47.860 clear right here. But I do think there's so much 0:12:47.860 --> 0:12:50.050 in the Scripture like First Corinthians six, it talks about 0:12:50.050 --> 0:12:52.540 the sacred nature of our bodies as the temple of 0:12:52.540 --> 0:12:54.700 the spirit. And you'd say, well, okay, but the Spirit 0:12:54.700 --> 0:12:56.770 of God and my spirit are gone when I die. 0:12:56.770 --> 0:13:00.069 And that's true. But God's not done with our bodies yet. 0:13:00.070 --> 0:13:02.590 Just like if you if this were Peter, James, and 0:13:02.590 --> 0:13:06.520 John talking about Jesus on the weekend of his crucifixion 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.070 and said, well, let's just burn his body and pulverize 0:13:09.070 --> 0:13:12.219 his bones, we'd think, no, his body is going to 0:13:12.220 --> 0:13:13.690 come out of the grave now. It's going to be 0:13:13.690 --> 0:13:17.740 completely remade. It's going to be glorified. But Jesus didn't 0:13:17.740 --> 0:13:20.380 leave an old body in the tomb, right? God took 0:13:20.380 --> 0:13:23.320 whatever was left of that body. And even after a weekend, right, 0:13:23.350 --> 0:13:26.170 there was a lot of purification, a lot of decay. 0:13:26.170 --> 0:13:29.199 And yet God restored what was left and made a 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:31.600 glorified body out of it. So I think Judaism was 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:34.750 right in saying, the vessel of the body is important. 0:13:34.780 --> 0:13:37.240 God's not done with it yet. We're setting it aside 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.730 respectfully in a grave. We're doing the best we can 0:13:39.730 --> 0:13:42.449 to preserve it, just like they have in Joseph's day 0:13:42.450 --> 0:13:45.150 back in Genesis and Jesus's day in the first century. 0:13:45.150 --> 0:13:47.040 And we're saying, God, you're going to bring this back 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:48.510 to life, what's left of it, and you're going to 0:13:48.510 --> 0:13:51.990 make it and transform it to be like Christ's resurrected body. 0:13:51.990 --> 0:13:54.240 So I think we should treat the dead body with respect. 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:55.980 I think even the laws on the books of most 0:13:55.980 --> 0:13:59.250 states will say, you can't desecrate a dead body. Why? 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.040 Because I think we know intuitively it's important we don't 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.290 lay it out for the trash. Right? For, you know, 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.870 with the garbage. This is not garbage. This is a 0:14:06.870 --> 0:14:08.970 body made in the image of God. We should treat 0:14:08.970 --> 0:14:10.650 it with dignity. Does it cost a little bit more? 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:13.860 Sure it does. But have some people come around and 0:14:13.860 --> 0:14:15.660 take a collection. Do whatever you have to do. It 0:14:15.660 --> 0:14:18.120 doesn't have to be fancy. It doesn't have to be expensive. 0:14:18.150 --> 0:14:20.940 Do it the best you can economically, but lay the 0:14:20.940 --> 0:14:23.670 body aside with respect and await the resurrection. 0:14:23.700 --> 0:14:26.970 Yep, I agree with that. We're going to take a 0:14:26.970 --> 0:14:33.480 break here. Appreciate your call. Nilsa I encourage anyone listening. Nilsa. Whatever. Prepare. 0:14:33.510 --> 0:14:36.630 I always say get your your your finances in order. 0:14:36.630 --> 0:14:42.950 By that grave, by that, A casket, whatever is prepared. 0:14:42.950 --> 0:14:45.590 So it's not a burden for your kids, and then 0:14:45.590 --> 0:14:48.500 it'll be fine. 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Um, I have 0:16:50.180 --> 0:16:54.440 read in the Bible that when two or more together 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:58.460 in worship that, you know, that's considered church and I 0:16:58.460 --> 0:17:01.670 could be interpreting wrong, or do I have to be 0:17:01.670 --> 0:17:06.320 going to like a corporate church to be worshiping with others, 0:17:06.350 --> 0:17:08.659 I guess, and, you know, be be more of a 0:17:08.660 --> 0:17:12.170 true Christian? Um, I've had a conversation with my husband 0:17:12.170 --> 0:17:13.220 about this. 0:17:13.490 --> 0:17:17.330 Great, great. I, I totally get your question. And I'm 0:17:17.330 --> 0:17:20.720 going to answer part one. And then Pastor Mike's going 0:17:20.750 --> 0:17:23.510 to talk about why you need to be part of 0:17:23.510 --> 0:17:26.720 a church. Uh, if you're a follower of Jesus, that's 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:28.970 something that's crucial. But first of all, that verse about 0:17:28.970 --> 0:17:31.369 where 2 or 3 are gathered in my name in 0:17:31.369 --> 0:17:36.800 Matthew 18, if you look at those words it's talking about, 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:41.119 And this is something context, context context. It's talking about 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:46.760 church discipline. And when there is discipline, the leadership of 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:50.330 the church, 2 or 3 gather and make a congregational 0:17:50.330 --> 0:17:54.770 discipline decisions. The Lord Jesus is in the midst of that. 0:17:54.770 --> 0:17:57.170 And that's what that verse is talking about. It's not 0:17:57.170 --> 0:18:00.260 talking about prayer or worship or or anything like that. 0:18:00.260 --> 0:18:03.949 It's actually the context is church discipline. But there are 0:18:03.950 --> 0:18:08.540 great verses that teach why it is that you should 0:18:08.540 --> 0:18:12.350 be part of a community of faith, of fellow followers 0:18:12.350 --> 0:18:14.270 of the Lord Jesus and my. 0:18:14.300 --> 0:18:16.790 Yeah, well, first of all, I think you've got to 0:18:16.790 --> 0:18:20.600 look at passages like Ephesians chapter four, verses 11, 12 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:24.020 and 13. Here is God saying he has given the 0:18:24.020 --> 0:18:28.310 church for all time until he comes back, pastors and teachers, 0:18:28.310 --> 0:18:31.190 to equip us to build up the body of Christ. 0:18:31.190 --> 0:18:34.790 They are given to us not to stream online, but 0:18:34.790 --> 0:18:37.530 to go and gather together, as it says in Hebrews ten, 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:40.949 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the 0:18:40.950 --> 0:18:44.580 habit of some, but gathering together, encouraging one another, stirring 0:18:44.580 --> 0:18:46.470 one another on to love and good deeds. And all 0:18:46.470 --> 0:18:48.390 the more as we see the day drawing near. What 0:18:48.390 --> 0:18:51.270 I love about that last line is, I think church 0:18:51.270 --> 0:18:54.990 in person gathering and assembling is more important now than 0:18:54.990 --> 0:18:57.330 it was 50 years ago. More important now than it 0:18:57.330 --> 0:19:01.230 was 500 years ago. We must be gathered together with 0:19:01.230 --> 0:19:03.149 our chairs side by side for the teaching of the 0:19:03.150 --> 0:19:05.700 word and our chairs face to face, to stir one 0:19:05.700 --> 0:19:08.850 another up, to love and good deeds. And that is 0:19:08.850 --> 0:19:11.879 all designed by God for each Christian. Can't listen to 0:19:11.910 --> 0:19:14.670 the radio and say, that's church. I can't just meet 0:19:14.670 --> 0:19:16.710 at a coffee shop with another Christian gal and say, 0:19:16.710 --> 0:19:19.590 that's church. It is about being assembled in the church. 0:19:19.590 --> 0:19:23.820 God has designed it with pastors and deacons to lead us, 0:19:23.820 --> 0:19:25.830 and that we need to take advantage of that. And 0:19:25.830 --> 0:19:27.570 if we get to heaven and say, well, God, you know, 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:29.190 I had a relationship with you, I didn't need all 0:19:29.190 --> 0:19:30.929 those things that you made. He's going to say you 0:19:30.930 --> 0:19:33.030 did need them. And I told you you need them 0:19:33.030 --> 0:19:35.050 and you need a pastor. Every Christian should be able 0:19:35.050 --> 0:19:37.420 to answer the question. Say, who's your pastor? So here 0:19:37.450 --> 0:19:40.000 are my pastors. I go to this church and this 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.940 is my pastoral team that shepherds and keeps a count 0:19:42.940 --> 0:19:43.990 over my soul. 0:19:44.020 --> 0:19:47.410 You know, there was a woman in my congregation when 0:19:47.410 --> 0:19:52.270 I was a pastor. She would come quite infrequently off 0:19:52.270 --> 0:19:56.380 and on, and I encouraged her and her husband to 0:19:56.410 --> 0:19:58.959 be more faithful. And she said, why should I be 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:03.250 more faithful? I can listen to Charles Stanley, and he's 0:20:03.250 --> 0:20:05.260 a better preacher than you are. And I thought, that's 0:20:05.260 --> 0:20:09.850 really true. He is. And that was fine, I said, 0:20:09.850 --> 0:20:14.260 but I said, there are people that need you when 0:20:14.290 --> 0:20:18.850 you're at services. It's not just about what you need. 0:20:18.850 --> 0:20:21.760 There are people that need you. And she said, oh no, 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:24.639 no one needs me. And I said, just test it 0:20:24.670 --> 0:20:29.680 and see. And so she arrived one week right after 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:32.530 we talked about that. And she's sitting in service and 0:20:32.530 --> 0:20:37.350 there's a woman weeping during the whole service. It was 0:20:37.350 --> 0:20:41.489 very unusual. And so this friend of mine leans over 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:43.919 and says, can I help you? And it turns out 0:20:43.950 --> 0:20:46.560 that her marriage had blown up that week. It had 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:52.350 just been destroyed. Things happened and she was heartbroken. And 0:20:52.350 --> 0:20:56.369 so this friend of mine said, oh, we need to talk. 0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:59.010 And off they went to a corner. And they she 0:20:59.010 --> 0:21:02.340 encouraged her and prayed with her. And what I think 0:21:02.340 --> 0:21:05.460 is funny, that was probably 30 years ago or more 0:21:05.490 --> 0:21:09.389 35 years ago. They are still close friends to this day. 0:21:09.390 --> 0:21:11.340 And she came up to me and she says, I 0:21:11.340 --> 0:21:13.199 hate it when you're right. Michael, I just hate it 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:15.899 when you're right. Because she realized that she needed to 0:21:15.900 --> 0:21:20.580 be there to minister to that other woman. That's why 0:21:20.580 --> 0:21:22.770 we stir each other up to love and good deeds. 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:26.100 We we encourage one another. It's why it's so important. 0:21:26.100 --> 0:21:29.909 It's not just for what we can receive in that community, 0:21:29.910 --> 0:21:33.950 but also what we can give so that we can 0:21:33.950 --> 0:21:38.930 speak to each other with songs and hymns and all 0:21:38.930 --> 0:21:41.810 sorts of spiritual truths that we share with one another 0:21:41.810 --> 0:21:45.920 as we are in worship services together. Okay, I hope 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:47.000 that helps, Mary. 0:21:47.030 --> 0:21:50.480 Yes, very much so. Thank you so much. 0:21:50.630 --> 0:21:53.600 Great, thanks. Thanks for calling. We're going to talk with 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:59.060 Debbie in Punta Gorda, Florida, listening on Debbie SLR, welcome 0:21:59.060 --> 0:22:01.370 to Open Line. Debbie, how can we help you? 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:04.220 Thank you. Well, I want to kind of maybe follow 0:22:04.220 --> 0:22:09.020 up on Nils's question. Um, our glorified bodies. My question was, 0:22:09.020 --> 0:22:12.230 after the rapture and the marriage supper of the lamb, 0:22:12.230 --> 0:22:16.280 when Christ returned to earth on his second coming, this 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:18.950 is the armies come with him. Is that all of 0:22:18.950 --> 0:22:21.740 the saints? And will all of us come back to 0:22:21.770 --> 0:22:24.590 earth with him, or will some stay in heaven? And 0:22:25.010 --> 0:22:26.030 so that's my question. 0:22:26.450 --> 0:22:30.430 Well, I he's coming back to make war, you know, 0:22:30.430 --> 0:22:33.640 so I think I want to stay in heaven, but, uh, 0:22:34.060 --> 0:22:35.080 I don't I. 0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:36.370 Don't, you know, I want to see it. 0:22:36.609 --> 0:22:40.630 You know, when you're on the right side, it's okay. Uh, 0:22:40.630 --> 0:22:44.680 here's here's how I think, uh, I believe this is 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:49.510 something that's so important. And, uh, what this is the 0:22:49.510 --> 0:22:52.209 first part is at the rapture. This is something that 0:22:52.210 --> 0:22:55.359 I think is so important. Uh, I kind of missed 0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:57.910 this for years and years and years. I was listening 0:22:57.940 --> 0:23:03.129 to this guy named Fabares answering Bible questions about the rapture. 0:23:03.130 --> 0:23:05.830 And he points out, and I'll maybe I'll let you 0:23:05.859 --> 0:23:10.330 point it out, who returns with Jesus at the rapture? 0:23:10.330 --> 0:23:13.990 That's that's something that's so interesting. It says, uh, in 0:23:14.020 --> 0:23:17.919 first Thessalonians four at the rapture, those who died in 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:20.230 Christ descend with him. 0:23:20.260 --> 0:23:23.410 Yeah. Well, that's a lot of people argue about the rapture, 0:23:23.410 --> 0:23:25.000 but we are going to meet the Lord in the 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:27.699 air if we happen to be, as First Corinthians 15 0:23:27.700 --> 0:23:30.359 and the book of Thessalonians. First Thessalonians says, we're going 0:23:30.390 --> 0:23:33.540 to meet the Lord in the air. And those who 0:23:33.540 --> 0:23:37.590 have died, right? They're going to have their bodies reassembled 0:23:37.590 --> 0:23:41.190 and met up with their spirit. And that is going 0:23:41.190 --> 0:23:43.889 to happen at the rapture. Now, at the end of 0:23:43.890 --> 0:23:47.970 the tribulation, this is your question. There is a description 0:23:47.970 --> 0:23:50.910 of this in revelation chapter 19, and it speaks about 0:23:50.910 --> 0:23:53.370 the armies of heaven coming back at the end of 0:23:53.369 --> 0:23:56.850 the tribulation. This is that scene where the Christ is 0:23:56.850 --> 0:23:59.520 seen as the rider on the white horse, and it 0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:03.000 says they're arrayed in fine linen, pure and white. And 0:24:03.030 --> 0:24:06.960 they were following him on white horses, that picture. Right. 0:24:06.990 --> 0:24:08.340 A lot of people could say, well, maybe that's the 0:24:08.369 --> 0:24:12.120 angelic host, but it seems like arrayed in fine linen 0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:15.450 is the picture of Christians clothed in Christ's righteousness. And 0:24:15.450 --> 0:24:17.310 so we'll come back. It's not going to be much 0:24:17.310 --> 0:24:19.260 of a battle. It'll be a battle. It'll be terrible. 0:24:19.260 --> 0:24:21.570 But he's going to speak a word just like he 0:24:21.570 --> 0:24:23.490 created the world with a word. He's going to judge 0:24:23.490 --> 0:24:26.460 those nations with a word. And so we're not going 0:24:26.460 --> 0:24:28.600 to get our hands dirty that day. Yeah. 0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:31.540 Yeah. You know, in first Thessalonians four where it talks 0:24:31.540 --> 0:24:33.940 about the rapture, this is the part I was talking about. 0:24:33.970 --> 0:24:36.790 It says since we believe that Jesus died and rose 0:24:36.820 --> 0:24:40.510 again in the same way God will bring with him 0:24:40.510 --> 0:24:43.840 at the rapture those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:48.340 So our our immaterial portion, that spirit, we would say, 0:24:48.369 --> 0:24:51.879 goes to be with the Lord when we die. Uh, 0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:54.340 absent from the body is present with the Lord, but 0:24:54.340 --> 0:24:57.970 our bodies look like they're sleeping. That's a euphemism for death. 0:24:57.970 --> 0:25:00.880 And then when he returns, he takes those of us 0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:05.110 who have died and reassembles as Mike. Pastor Mike just 0:25:05.109 --> 0:25:08.200 said them with our bodies, and we get glorified bodies, 0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:11.830 and then we return. Uh, of course there's a bunch. 0:25:11.859 --> 0:25:14.140 So we have a resurrection at the rapture for those 0:25:14.140 --> 0:25:17.080 who have died in the Messiah. And then there's going 0:25:17.080 --> 0:25:21.189 to be a resurrection when we return with him, uh, 0:25:21.190 --> 0:25:24.820 at the the last battle, because it says in Daniel 12, 0:25:24.850 --> 0:25:29.010 that's when the Old Testament saints will be resurrected. And 0:25:29.010 --> 0:25:32.430 so that's what we're looking at in the future. Two 0:25:32.430 --> 0:25:36.390 different resurrections, one for New Testament believers, one for Old 0:25:36.420 --> 0:25:39.449 Testament saints. We're going to come right back. Thanks for 0:25:39.450 --> 0:25:41.970 your really good question. We're going to be right back 0:25:41.970 --> 0:25:45.330 with more of the mailbag. Trish is putting that together 0:25:45.330 --> 0:25:47.879 for us, and we'll be answering the questions you mailed in. 0:25:47.880 --> 0:26:06.960 So don't go away. More coming up straight ahead. And 0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:12.210 we're back. Michael Zelnick here. Pastor Mike Faber is joining me. Uh, 0:26:12.210 --> 0:26:15.210 a different kind of two Michaels, isn't it, Tricia? Also 0:26:15.210 --> 0:26:19.080 joining me right now, it is. Yeah. Usually when we 0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:23.190 have the two Michaels, it's Michael Van Landingham and me. 0:26:23.220 --> 0:26:27.950 He always says he's the other Michael. Uh, and that's 0:26:27.950 --> 0:26:30.590 always fun. But I'm so glad to be here in 0:26:30.590 --> 0:26:34.070 the studios of Compass Bible Church. And pastor Mike is 0:26:34.070 --> 0:26:38.330 here with me. He's a regular, uh, substitute host on 0:26:38.330 --> 0:26:42.140 Open Line. And, uh, it's worked out great. Really grateful 0:26:42.140 --> 0:26:45.440 to be here. I'm so grateful I get to speak 0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:48.800 here at Compass Bible Church. I'm kind of nervous, but. No, 0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:50.180 don't be nervous. 0:26:50.900 --> 0:26:53.630 You've done this before. Oh, yeah. Not here, but you've 0:26:53.630 --> 0:26:53.899 done it. 0:26:53.900 --> 0:26:55.639 I've preached once or twice before. 0:26:55.940 --> 0:26:56.209 In your. 0:26:56.210 --> 0:27:00.440 Life. So anyway. Hey, uh, one of the things I 0:27:00.470 --> 0:27:03.440 noticed when we came here is how much teamwork it needed. Uh, 0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:06.680 there were even before pastor Mike and I were on 0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:10.730 the air, there was all sorts of tech people, from 0:27:10.730 --> 0:27:14.450 Compass Bible and from Moody Radio making sure that we 0:27:14.450 --> 0:27:19.100 can come from this studio. And it's so much teamwork. 0:27:19.100 --> 0:27:22.100 I think people are always surprised at how much teamwork 0:27:22.100 --> 0:27:25.780 is necessary For open line, even on a regular basis. 0:27:25.810 --> 0:27:28.720 I mean, it's not just you and me, Tricia. There's 0:27:28.750 --> 0:27:33.820 Omar at the at the desk there. They're doing doing 0:27:33.820 --> 0:27:39.610 the board, and someone's answering the phones. It's always something. 0:27:39.609 --> 0:27:42.790 And of course, there's always Chris Siegert. He's he's there 0:27:42.790 --> 0:27:47.230 always worrying. I think that's especially his job listening and yeah, 0:27:47.260 --> 0:27:49.630 listening and making sure that everything is going to be 0:27:49.630 --> 0:27:52.150 sounding right. And I just so appreciate that. And then 0:27:52.150 --> 0:27:55.690 there's people who keep us on the air really by 0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:58.780 giving on a monthly basis. 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Uh, all you have to do is call 0:28:23.750 --> 0:28:31.310 (888) 644-7122 or call open line or visit open line radio.org. 0:28:31.310 --> 0:28:35.420 And remember, every other week you'll get a special Bible 0:28:35.420 --> 0:28:40.070 study moment prepared exclusively for our kitchen table partners every 0:28:40.070 --> 0:28:42.320 other week. A little Bible study that you click on 0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:48.290 in your email. Again, call (888) 644-7122 or go to Open 0:28:48.290 --> 0:28:53.360 Line radio.org. Hey, Tricia. Yes. Uh, are you calm and 0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:59.150 ready for our, uh, long distance, uh, always mailbag? That's it. No, I. 0:28:59.150 --> 0:29:01.640 Did want to say, though, if you, um, our next 0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:03.680 Bible study moment that goes out will go out on 0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:08.450 Thanksgiving Day, and it features both of you. Yeah. 0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:08.990 That's right. 0:29:09.380 --> 0:29:12.410 Mike. And you talking about thankfulness. 0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:13.430 Oh that's right. 0:29:13.460 --> 0:29:16.580 Yeah. Because pastor Mike was visiting Moody for the Board 0:29:16.580 --> 0:29:19.220 of Trustees meetings, and I grabbed him out of a 0:29:19.220 --> 0:29:21.970 meeting and said, hey, let's do a Bible study moment together. 0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:23.950 I was late, but I said I got a hall 0:29:23.980 --> 0:29:25.780 pass from Doctor Riddell. Nick? 0:29:26.950 --> 0:29:29.080 Yeah, so that'll that'll be a great one. It's like, 0:29:29.110 --> 0:29:31.450 how do you how do you give thanks in all circumstances? 0:29:31.450 --> 0:29:34.120 What does that look like? How do we be thankful. 0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:35.530 So it's a really good one. 0:29:36.100 --> 0:29:38.620 Oh, good. I'm so glad. Yeah. Okay, well, let's let's 0:29:38.620 --> 0:29:40.750 look at these questions. What have you got for us? 0:29:40.780 --> 0:29:41.290 All right. 0:29:41.290 --> 0:29:45.640 I've got a couple of questions that came in from, um, Shira, 0:29:45.730 --> 0:29:49.570 who is from Israel and is currently in the US 0:29:49.570 --> 0:29:54.130 traveling around. And she wants to know two questions. Did 0:29:54.130 --> 0:29:58.030 the sons of Israel commit genocide when they conquered Canaan 0:29:58.030 --> 0:30:00.940 under Joshua's leadership? That's her first question. 0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:06.220 Well, that's a that's one of the hard questions that 0:30:06.580 --> 0:30:09.310 I don't think there's just a simple answer, but I 0:30:09.310 --> 0:30:13.330 think there are some limitations of what we know about this. 0:30:13.330 --> 0:30:17.680 First of all, uh, God gave the Canaanites a long 0:30:17.710 --> 0:30:22.620 time to repent. It says in Genesis 15 that Abraham 0:30:22.620 --> 0:30:25.350 was going to be sent. His descendants were going to 0:30:25.380 --> 0:30:30.270 be sent down for 400 years into Egypt, because the 0:30:30.270 --> 0:30:34.740 sins of the Amorites are not yet complete, meaning the 0:30:34.740 --> 0:30:38.130 Amorites was a were a Canaanite people. And what was 0:30:38.130 --> 0:30:42.330 happening is they needed to repent, and God was giving 0:30:42.330 --> 0:30:45.750 them more time. But sort of like in Romans one, 0:30:45.750 --> 0:30:47.790 God gave them over to whatever it is that they 0:30:47.790 --> 0:30:51.750 wanted to do. And so God giving them time to repent, 0:30:51.750 --> 0:30:54.960 I think that's really important to see. And then after 0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:57.270 the 400 years when Israel comes back to the land, 0:30:57.300 --> 0:31:01.470 God is going to use Israel as his instrument of 0:31:01.470 --> 0:31:05.640 judgment because the Canaanites did not repent. It's it's sort 0:31:05.670 --> 0:31:07.560 of like what God did with the world, with the 0:31:07.590 --> 0:31:11.130 Noahic flood. You know, the evil was so great he 0:31:11.130 --> 0:31:13.980 had to start over. And the same way the evil 0:31:13.980 --> 0:31:16.320 was so great in the land that God was going 0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:19.010 to judge it, just like he used the Babylonians to 0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:22.490 discipline Israel. God was going to use the Israelites to 0:31:22.490 --> 0:31:24.979 be his instrument of judgment, just like he used a 0:31:24.980 --> 0:31:29.840 flood earlier as an instrument of judgment. Now he's going 0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:32.240 to use the Israelites, and it was just a one 0:31:32.270 --> 0:31:34.940 time event. It's just now when Israel is coming into 0:31:34.940 --> 0:31:38.420 the land. That was a one time event. It wasn't 0:31:38.450 --> 0:31:42.860 supposedly a genocide to destroy all people. It was a 0:31:42.860 --> 0:31:47.630 correction from God that he used at that time. It 0:31:47.630 --> 0:31:51.740 was never to be repeated. It was an isolated one 0:31:51.770 --> 0:31:54.770 time event, and I think it's really important for us 0:31:54.770 --> 0:31:57.050 to see that. Not an easy answer, but that's what 0:31:57.050 --> 0:31:58.160 I think it is. Do you want to? 0:31:58.190 --> 0:32:00.710 Yeah. Here's what I would say. Genocide is usually a 0:32:00.710 --> 0:32:04.640 word that's used in modern parlance to describe people hating 0:32:04.670 --> 0:32:08.540 a people of a particular ethnicity. And that's not the 0:32:08.540 --> 0:32:13.460 point here of Joshua's conquest. Right? It's it's like the 0:32:13.460 --> 0:32:16.790 flood in Genesis six through nine, right? Yeah. Did God 0:32:16.790 --> 0:32:20.880 commit genocide? Well, of course, indirectly, I guess indirectly through water. 0:32:20.910 --> 0:32:23.040 But what does that mean? That means, he said, I've 0:32:23.040 --> 0:32:26.520 had enough of the sin and rebellion, and there's going 0:32:26.520 --> 0:32:28.620 to be judgment. That's the promise from the garden. Right. 0:32:28.620 --> 0:32:31.020 You sin and there will be death. And so it 0:32:31.020 --> 0:32:32.760 was in Canaan. And I got to remind you, at 0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:36.030 the end of the wilderness wanderings, just before Moses handed 0:32:36.060 --> 0:32:40.110 off the baton to Joshua, he says in Deuteronomy chapter 11, 0:32:40.110 --> 0:32:42.660 I'm going to lay the fear of you. That is you, 0:32:42.690 --> 0:32:45.420 the Israelites, Joshua, the leaders, and the dread of you 0:32:45.420 --> 0:32:47.580 on all the land that you shall tread. As he 0:32:47.580 --> 0:32:51.240 promised you. So these people like Rahab, there was already 0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:54.840 a fear. Israel's coming, Israel's coming. And this righteous people 0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:57.690 who serve this righteous God, and we're wicked. We're killing 0:32:57.690 --> 0:33:01.290 our babies in fire. And they knew it had all 0:33:01.290 --> 0:33:03.239 this time to get out. And kind of unlike what 0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:05.670 we see in Gaza today, there were plenty of nations 0:33:05.670 --> 0:33:09.120 that would have absorbed these people, right? To just go, leave, leave. 0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:14.400 And they didn't leave. So it was the intractable, doubled down, rebellious, 0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:17.780 morally corrupt people that stayed and did their children suffer 0:33:17.780 --> 0:33:20.750 because of that? Yes. Just like in the flood, everyone 0:33:20.750 --> 0:33:24.290 died except for Moses and his family. But God is 0:33:24.290 --> 0:33:26.000 the God who gives life, and he's got the right 0:33:26.000 --> 0:33:28.160 to take it away. And he used the instrument of 0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:30.680 water in the flood and the instrument of Israel in 0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:33.140 the conquest of Joshua, to do his judgment. 0:33:33.170 --> 0:33:37.550 Of course, there's one exception. And the one was Rahab. 0:33:37.550 --> 0:33:38.330 Rahab herself. 0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:42.350 That's right. Yeah. Because she believed. And as a result. 0:33:42.350 --> 0:33:44.690 So it wasn't like, oh, it doesn't matter what you 0:33:44.690 --> 0:33:48.110 believe or what you do. She attached herself to the 0:33:48.110 --> 0:33:50.270 people of Israel and the God of Israel, and she 0:33:50.270 --> 0:33:53.630 was delivered. And I think, what if what if all 0:33:53.630 --> 0:33:56.930 the Canaanites had done that, they would have been delivered 0:33:56.930 --> 0:34:00.020 as well? And so it's a hard question, there's no 0:34:00.020 --> 0:34:01.700 doubt about it. But and by the way, the word 0:34:01.700 --> 0:34:06.920 genocide was actually coined. It came into existence to describe 0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:09.290 what the Nazis did to the Jewish people. That's the 0:34:09.290 --> 0:34:10.819 very first use of it. So. 0:34:11.210 --> 0:34:15.009 Wow. Well, the second question she had is, according to 0:34:15.010 --> 0:34:18.790 the Bible, what are the limitations on fighting a war? 0:34:18.820 --> 0:34:22.450 And is Israel breaking those limitations today? 0:34:22.660 --> 0:34:25.180 Now, I just want to be really clear. I know Shira, 0:34:25.210 --> 0:34:30.820 she doesn't believe Israel is breaking those limitations. She's looking 0:34:30.850 --> 0:34:33.759 to me to give her some answers because. 0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:34.569 People are asking. 0:34:34.570 --> 0:34:38.140 Her this, her this. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Uh. 0:34:38.290 --> 0:34:40.060 Go ahead. Well, I was just going to say this 0:34:40.060 --> 0:34:42.069 has been a problem from the beginning of the church 0:34:42.100 --> 0:34:45.340 to say, okay, as Christians, how do we conduct war 0:34:45.340 --> 0:34:47.110 and is there a time for war? And of course, 0:34:47.110 --> 0:34:49.420 the Bible gives us a lot of history where there 0:34:49.420 --> 0:34:53.020 are times for war, and we need to do it justly. 0:34:53.020 --> 0:34:55.600 We need to have just reasons for going to war. 0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:58.780 We need to engage in war justly, unlike what we 0:34:58.780 --> 0:35:02.770 see in Gaza now hiding behind civilians. And we need 0:35:02.770 --> 0:35:06.219 to deal with war after it's over in a just 0:35:06.219 --> 0:35:09.280 and proper way. So yes, I think Christian principles is 0:35:09.310 --> 0:35:11.710 Augustine tried to lay out, are always going to lead 0:35:11.710 --> 0:35:13.930 us to a particular kind of war. That's why there's 0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:17.260 war crimes and war courts. Because there's right and wrong 0:35:17.260 --> 0:35:19.780 in war. It's not like that old phrase, all's fair 0:35:19.780 --> 0:35:22.420 in love and war is not true, right? It's not. 0:35:22.450 --> 0:35:25.390 It's not all okay. And so war has to be 0:35:25.390 --> 0:35:27.340 done in a particular way. And yes, I think there's 0:35:27.340 --> 0:35:31.450 nothing Israel cannot be blamed for civilians being killed when 0:35:31.450 --> 0:35:35.799 it's the enemies. It's Hamas hiding behind civilians. Right. They're 0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:38.650 to blame. Doubly so not only for starting this war 0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:42.250 on October 7th, but also for conducting it in an 0:35:42.250 --> 0:35:44.320 unjust way. Israel is just trying to do it the 0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:47.020 best it can. And I've never seen Modern Warfare done 0:35:47.020 --> 0:35:49.900 with as much warning and much care as Israel seems 0:35:49.900 --> 0:35:52.450 to be engaging. It doesn't mean they're perfect, but it 0:35:52.450 --> 0:35:54.880 does mean they're very careful to do this in a 0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:57.700 way that I think is is the most honoring way 0:35:57.700 --> 0:35:59.920 you can engage in something bad and it's bad. War 0:35:59.950 --> 0:36:01.540 is bad, but it's just. 0:36:01.570 --> 0:36:04.210 One of the most interesting things. I know this really 0:36:04.210 --> 0:36:08.200 because my son was an infantry soldier in the Israel 0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:11.620 Defense Forces, and he was trained to always respect the 0:36:11.630 --> 0:36:15.860 life even of your enemies, and they were trained to 0:36:15.890 --> 0:36:21.350 put themselves at risk before hurting civilians. That's something that's 0:36:21.350 --> 0:36:26.990 part of the the philosophy of of battle of the 0:36:26.989 --> 0:36:29.840 Israel Defense Forces. And most people don't realize this. They 0:36:29.870 --> 0:36:35.450 hear things like the ICC, uh, indicting and calling for 0:36:35.450 --> 0:36:41.150 the arrest of Benjamin Netanyahu and also Yoav Galant, the 0:36:41.150 --> 0:36:46.340 former defense minister. And it's just not true. It is driven, 0:36:46.340 --> 0:36:51.200 I believe, that is driven by an anti-Israel, anti-Jewish animus, uh, 0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:56.299 by the ICC. Uh, and but in terms of what 0:36:56.300 --> 0:36:59.330 Israel is doing, this is what John Spencer from West 0:36:59.330 --> 0:37:03.109 Point has said. No nation in the history of urban 0:37:03.110 --> 0:37:07.490 warfare has been more careful for civilians and has had 0:37:07.489 --> 0:37:13.320 such a low ratio of, a civilian to combatant death, 0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:17.370 as Israel has had in this war with Hamas in Gaza. 0:37:17.370 --> 0:37:21.600 So it is a different kind of perspective. But yeah, 0:37:21.630 --> 0:37:25.649 I do think that Israel is carrying out this battle justly, 0:37:25.650 --> 0:37:30.569 and it's a tragedy that Hamas is hiding behind civilians, 0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:34.980 putting their weapons in areas that where civilians live. It's 0:37:34.980 --> 0:37:37.050 a terrible consequence of war. 0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:41.759 So are there are there scriptures that talk to this 0:37:41.790 --> 0:37:44.700 on either side? Like, I remember just war theory coming, um, 0:37:44.730 --> 0:37:48.060 being really big right after nine over 11 happened that 0:37:48.060 --> 0:37:50.759 there was a lot of conversation about what is just 0:37:50.790 --> 0:37:56.640 war and just war theory. Conversations were happening from believers 0:37:56.640 --> 0:37:58.200 in Jesus. There isn't. 0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:00.810 A whole lot of verses that talk about just war. 0:38:01.050 --> 0:38:03.120 But I will. I will give you a few. If 0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:07.109 you think about just causes, go to Psalm 82 and 0:38:07.110 --> 0:38:09.029 that would be a good passage to read and to 0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:13.370 study as far as just conduct. Deuteronomy 20. That's a 0:38:13.370 --> 0:38:16.670 passage that when you go out to war against your enemies. Dot, dot, dot. 0:38:16.670 --> 0:38:22.160 And then just conditions for peace. Second Chronicles 28 I 0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:26.359 think dealing with how they solved and ended this with 0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:29.030 the captives. I just think all of those are certainly 0:38:29.030 --> 0:38:32.030 passages that inform just war theory, which is just causes, 0:38:32.030 --> 0:38:36.050 just conduct, just conditions for peace. And it's just something 0:38:36.050 --> 0:38:38.029 I have books on my bookshelf. There's just so much 0:38:38.030 --> 0:38:41.300 that could be said. It's an assembled argument, but there 0:38:41.330 --> 0:38:43.460 is plenty of material. It's just I can't point to 0:38:43.489 --> 0:38:45.830 chapter and verse of just having all of them in 0:38:45.830 --> 0:38:46.310 one place. 0:38:46.340 --> 0:38:49.549 One verse, I think, is so imperative that we look 0:38:49.580 --> 0:38:52.219 at and I'm going to just mention, it's Romans 13, 0:38:52.250 --> 0:38:56.240 verse four. It says, for government is God's servant for 0:38:56.239 --> 0:38:59.150 your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, because 0:38:59.150 --> 0:39:03.020 it does not carry the sword for no reason. For 0:39:03.020 --> 0:39:09.160 government is God's servant, an Avenger who brings wrath on 0:39:09.160 --> 0:39:13.360 the one who does wrong. I think that's the the 0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:18.940 assault weapon was the the sword of that day. And, uh, 0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:24.220 and so that's the M16 of that day, you know, 0:39:24.219 --> 0:39:26.590 and that's what they were using. And so it is 0:39:26.590 --> 0:39:30.250 to punish evildoers and to protect the innocent. That's the 0:39:30.250 --> 0:39:33.670 purpose of war in that in that setting, we're going 0:39:33.700 --> 0:39:36.040 to come back with more of your questions in just 0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:38.500 a bit. So don't go away. Thanks, Tricia, for bringing 0:39:38.500 --> 0:39:42.040 the mailbag in. 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I was 0:41:07.930 --> 0:41:11.710 wondering what happened to the lost tribes of Israel. 0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:16.360 Are there in my neighborhood in Brooklyn where I grew up. 0:41:16.510 --> 0:41:20.470 That's where they went. Uh, actually, there were also where 0:41:20.469 --> 0:41:23.230 I live in Chicago, in West Rogers Park. They're all 0:41:23.230 --> 0:41:29.260 over the. Here's the deal. The Lost Tribes were not lost. Uh, 0:41:29.410 --> 0:41:32.830 a lot of people think they were. But when the 0:41:32.830 --> 0:41:37.719 ten tribes went to Assyria and then Judah went to 0:41:37.750 --> 0:41:41.530 Babylon after Babylon had conquered Assyria, they kind of merged together. 0:41:41.530 --> 0:41:46.690 They all became known as Jews, Judeans and the tribes. 0:41:46.690 --> 0:41:50.410 Then you can even see in the Book of Luke 0:41:50.410 --> 0:41:59.500 when Hannah, uh, meets the uh, uh, up with with, uh, 0:41:59.739 --> 0:42:06.930 the the Lord Jesus family. Right? Anna or Hannah the prophetess. 0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:10.710 She was from the tribe of Asher. Luke 236 says that. 0:42:10.710 --> 0:42:13.980 So obviously those ten tribes were not lost. They were 0:42:13.980 --> 0:42:17.190 still there. What happened is the records were lost when 0:42:17.190 --> 0:42:20.279 the temple was destroyed in A.D. 70. The only thing 0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:24.450 that has continued on and on is that we know 0:42:24.450 --> 0:42:27.660 who we are by word of mouth, by family to family, 0:42:27.660 --> 0:42:32.969 generation to generation. We tell as Jewish people who a 0:42:32.969 --> 0:42:35.670 Levite is and who is a priest. You can see 0:42:35.670 --> 0:42:39.390 it in names like someone named Levi or someone named Levinson, 0:42:39.390 --> 0:42:45.630 or that's that's Levite or, uh, Cohen. Cohen. Yeah. Means priest. Uh, 0:42:45.630 --> 0:42:50.280 or Kohanim, uh, priests. Those are some of the names 0:42:50.280 --> 0:42:53.580 that you see Jewish people have. Uh, my name doesn't 0:42:53.580 --> 0:42:56.250 have anything like that, but I was raised to know 0:42:56.250 --> 0:43:00.750 that I was Ben Yitzhak Halevi. My name was. My 0:43:00.750 --> 0:43:05.240 Hebrew name is Avraham Moshe. Abraham. Moses of all things. 0:43:05.450 --> 0:43:10.460 But then my. That's my real name. Actually. And Ben Yitzchak, 0:43:10.460 --> 0:43:13.700 son of Isaac the Levite. That was my name. And 0:43:13.700 --> 0:43:15.620 so I know that I'm a Levite because it comes 0:43:15.620 --> 0:43:19.250 from my father. And so those. That's the only thing 0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:23.420 kept because it was designed for, uh, when the temple 0:43:23.420 --> 0:43:26.870 is rebuilt, we would know who would serve in the temple. 0:43:26.870 --> 0:43:30.800 So that's that's what happened. They were not lost. They're 0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:34.850 not the British tribes or anything like that. Okay. 0:43:36.020 --> 0:43:38.780 Okay, doctor. Thank you very much. Yep. 0:43:38.900 --> 0:43:41.089 Uh, we just don't know who they are, but God knows. 0:43:41.090 --> 0:43:45.950 Just so you know, God does indeed know. Uh, and 0:43:45.980 --> 0:43:49.520 we're going to go to the phones again. Uh, and 0:43:49.520 --> 0:43:52.850 we're going to talk with Leslie in Pennsylvania, listening on 0:43:52.850 --> 0:43:56.900 the Moody Radio app and w VM. Welcome to Open Line, Leslie. 0:43:56.930 --> 0:43:57.950 How can we help you? 0:43:59.420 --> 0:44:02.690 Good morning. Um, I'd like to ask another follow up 0:44:02.690 --> 0:44:05.900 question on Neil's question, if you don't mind. 0:44:05.930 --> 0:44:10.790 Yeah, I'm just looking at I'm looking looking at your question. Leslie, 0:44:10.790 --> 0:44:12.560 I want you to say this is how I want 0:44:12.560 --> 0:44:15.650 you to ask a question. Pastor Mike, I want to 0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:17.600 ask you a question. I'm I'm not even going to 0:44:17.630 --> 0:44:21.950 answer this one. This is just for pastor Mike. Go ahead. Leslie. 0:44:23.060 --> 0:44:27.020 Okay. Pastor Mike. Okay, so how can we apply this 0:44:27.020 --> 0:44:30.140 to the concept of organ donation? 0:44:30.230 --> 0:44:33.110 Yeah. Well, here's the thing. God is going to remake 0:44:33.140 --> 0:44:36.800 every body. And certainly we think about us in eternity 0:44:36.800 --> 0:44:39.860 and a glorified body according to the original manufacturer's specs, 0:44:39.860 --> 0:44:44.120 according to the DNA, without any problems, without any corruption. 0:44:44.120 --> 0:44:47.719 And that's going to call for, let's just say, two kidneys. Now, 0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:50.180 I know in life I have my cousin who gave 0:44:50.180 --> 0:44:53.210 her kidney to her husband, and I don't say, oh man, 0:44:53.239 --> 0:44:54.950 you don't want to live for eternity without a kidney 0:44:54.950 --> 0:44:57.109 because I know she's going to have a second kidney 0:44:57.110 --> 0:45:00.650 in her glorified body, so I don't have any problem 0:45:00.650 --> 0:45:03.890 with giving an organ for for benevolence. Now, if I say, hey, 0:45:03.890 --> 0:45:06.350 I want my corneas when I die to go to 0:45:06.380 --> 0:45:09.140 someone who needs my corneas, right? That's an act of 0:45:09.140 --> 0:45:12.439 benevolence and kindness that's different than burning my body and 0:45:12.440 --> 0:45:16.219 pulverizing it in industrial blenders and then having it all 0:45:16.219 --> 0:45:19.130 in a in a bag of ash. I'm saying to myself, 0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:20.989 this is not that might be an act of love, 0:45:20.989 --> 0:45:23.299 that may be an act of of service. And I 0:45:23.300 --> 0:45:26.120 think that's that's fine. I would not I would not 0:45:26.150 --> 0:45:29.840 donate my body to to medicine my cadaver. Let's just 0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:33.440 say I would think let's leave that for other people. 0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:35.779 But as far as parts of my body, if I 0:45:35.780 --> 0:45:38.180 choose to do that out of love and benevolence, I 0:45:38.180 --> 0:45:40.400 don't think it has any impact on what God is 0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:42.920 going to remake from what is left in our tombs 0:45:42.920 --> 0:45:45.230 or in our caskets at the end of time. 0:45:45.260 --> 0:45:48.770 Yeah, I'll just throw in, I think at at the rapture, 0:45:48.770 --> 0:45:52.160 people's kidneys who have been donated won't be flying up 0:45:52.160 --> 0:45:56.870 in the rapture or anything like that. Uh, you know, 0:45:56.900 --> 0:45:59.440 the retinas being pulled out of someone's eyes that have 0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:02.170 been donated or anything like that, just not going to happen. 0:46:02.170 --> 0:46:04.450 I'm going to trust God that he he can handle 0:46:04.450 --> 0:46:08.170 all that. It's not something that that I think we 0:46:08.170 --> 0:46:10.779 have to be concerned about, but I appreciate the call. 0:46:10.780 --> 0:46:14.259 Thanks for listening, everyone. That's the first hour. Keep listening. 0:46:14.260 --> 0:46:16.509 There's a second hour of Open Line on most of 0:46:16.510 --> 0:46:19.600 these stations. Remember, if your station doesn't carry Open line 0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:21.940 second hour, you can always listen on the Moody Radio 0:46:21.969 --> 0:46:24.580 app or get a podcast of it. Or you can 0:46:24.580 --> 0:46:27.670 listen online during the break. Check out our web page, 0:46:27.700 --> 0:46:32.739 Open Line radio.org. 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