WEBVTT - Hour 1: Opposing Antisemitism in Colleges 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:13.100 Hello friends. Welcome to a very special edition of Open 0:00:13.100 --> 0:00:16.849 Line with Doctor Michael Dolnick. This is Moody Radio's Bible 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:19.640 Study Across America. But we're not going to be taking 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:24.440 your questions. It's pre-recorded. It's special. You'll hear about why 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:26.750 in just a moment. My name is Michael Dolnick. I'm 0:00:26.750 --> 0:00:30.200 the academic dean and also a professor of Jewish Studies 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:33.409 and Bible at Moody Bible Institute. I am so glad 0:00:33.409 --> 0:00:35.420 to be with you today. I have a very special 0:00:35.420 --> 0:00:38.930 guest this first hour and then some other guests second hour. Uh, 0:00:38.930 --> 0:00:43.610 but it's a special weekend because today, while you're listening 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:46.279 to this, this is the time that we're having the 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:50.629 summit opposing anti-Semitism right here on the campus of Moody 0:00:50.630 --> 0:00:54.500 Bible Institute. You probably have heard about all the explosions 0:00:54.500 --> 0:01:01.200 of anti-Semitism since October 7th, 2023. anti-Semitism was on the 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:05.130 rise even before then, but now it has just erupted. 0:01:05.130 --> 0:01:08.729 And as a result, Moody Bible Institute and Chosen People 0:01:08.730 --> 0:01:14.460 Ministries are having the summit opposing anti-Semitism right here on 0:01:14.459 --> 0:01:17.910 the campus of Moody Bible Institute. So don't give us 0:01:17.910 --> 0:01:20.430 a call today. Save your question for next week. You 0:01:20.430 --> 0:01:23.429 can go online if you like, Open Line radio.org, and 0:01:23.430 --> 0:01:25.380 you can post a question. And Trish will put it 0:01:25.380 --> 0:01:29.190 in the mailbag for next week. But for today, I'd 0:01:29.190 --> 0:01:31.230 like you to listen about what we're doing. And I 0:01:31.230 --> 0:01:34.860 have one of our very special speakers who is going 0:01:34.860 --> 0:01:38.700 to be speaking at the summit, too. I'm saying tomorrow, 0:01:38.700 --> 0:01:42.270 but it's actually today while you're listening to this. Uh, 0:01:42.270 --> 0:01:46.500 his name is doctor Don Sweeting, and you may recognize 0:01:46.500 --> 0:01:50.640 that name, Sweeting, maybe because he went to Colorado Christian University, 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:54.210 where he was the president. Now he's the chancellor. And also, 0:01:54.210 --> 0:01:56.850 you may recognize the name Sweeting because Doctor George Sweeting, 0:01:56.850 --> 0:02:00.540 his dad, was the president of Moody Bible Institute, and 0:02:00.540 --> 0:02:05.160 Don and I went to Moody back in the 70s. Right. 0:02:05.190 --> 0:02:07.980 That's right. That's right. I think you graduated one year 0:02:07.980 --> 0:02:08.400 ahead of me. 0:02:08.430 --> 0:02:09.300 Not so long ago. 0:02:09.330 --> 0:02:12.390 Yeah, not so long ago. I'm so. Yeah, it just 0:02:12.389 --> 0:02:15.300 seems like yesterday. I'm so glad that you're here with me. Donna. 0:02:15.300 --> 0:02:20.549 And I really appreciate your willingness to come to Chicago 0:02:20.550 --> 0:02:23.430 to speak at this summit. It means so much to me. 0:02:23.460 --> 0:02:25.710 Well, it's great to be back at Moody, and I'm 0:02:25.710 --> 0:02:29.490 so grateful to Moody for stepping out, unlike so many 0:02:29.490 --> 0:02:35.609 schools and not just being neutral, but being positively, um, 0:02:36.510 --> 0:02:39.690 standing with Israel and with the Jewish people at this time. 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:42.839 Yeah, it's so it's something that makes me feel really grateful. 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:46.350 I've been at Moody now. Uh, I started as a 0:02:46.350 --> 0:02:50.220 student 50 years ago. Uh, wow. Then I was an alum, 0:02:50.220 --> 0:02:53.640 and I came to teach here 31 years ago. And 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:57.040 I'm really grateful to be here. And, you know, there 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:59.590 I was, this Jewish kid from Brooklyn. I really did 0:02:59.590 --> 0:03:03.160 not feel culturally that I fit in here very well. 0:03:03.190 --> 0:03:05.350 I had only come to know the Lord two years earlier. 0:03:05.350 --> 0:03:08.139 I was in a I came from an observant Jewish home. 0:03:08.139 --> 0:03:11.440 My first language wasn't even English. I spoke Yiddish in 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:15.970 my home, the Eastern European Jewish language that Jewish people 0:03:15.970 --> 0:03:18.640 spoke in the in the small villages of Eastern Europe, 0:03:18.669 --> 0:03:22.450 where my dad was from. He was from Poland. And 0:03:22.450 --> 0:03:25.210 so I came here and I felt out of touch. 0:03:25.210 --> 0:03:28.869 But what I recognized even then, 50 years ago, was 0:03:28.870 --> 0:03:32.410 this was a place where Jewish people were cared for, 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:35.890 where they were loved. It's the only school 102 years now. 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.290 We've had a Jewish Studies major at Moody Bible Institute. 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:39.040 It's extraordinary. 0:03:39.070 --> 0:03:41.890 Yeah. And it's it's always been a small major. So 0:03:41.890 --> 0:03:45.310 that means there's been an investment to have this program 0:03:45.310 --> 0:03:49.720 at Moody Bible Institute. So I'm extremely grateful to be here. 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:54.160 But I'm also really grateful that you're here. Your dad 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:57.080 is one of the people that made me feel welcomed 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:00.590 and loved when I came to Moody right away. Uh, 0:04:00.590 --> 0:04:02.630 as a as a Jewish person, he wanted to know 0:04:02.630 --> 0:04:05.030 all about my background. He asked me all sorts of stuff, 0:04:05.030 --> 0:04:06.740 and he was really gracious. He grew. 0:04:06.770 --> 0:04:09.860 He grew up outside of New York City, real close. 0:04:09.860 --> 0:04:12.620 And he had lots of Jewish friends growing up. So, 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.110 you know, this was home turf. 0:04:15.140 --> 0:04:17.450 But I think, you know, as I knew your dad, 0:04:17.450 --> 0:04:20.870 he always was pointing to the Bible and and you 0:04:20.870 --> 0:04:23.120 and I have talked about that. We were on, on 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:28.610 Chris Fabry, uh, yesterday on Friday. And you talked about that, 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:31.609 how important the Bible is to have an understanding and 0:04:31.610 --> 0:04:35.120 appreciation for Jewish people, particularly the Old Testament. 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:40.430 Well, it's it's huge. And I had this fascinating conversation 0:04:40.430 --> 0:04:43.670 in the spring with an Orthodox Jewish friend in Israel, 0:04:43.700 --> 0:04:46.460 a guy named Yoram Hazony. Oh, do you know him? 0:04:46.580 --> 0:04:47.660 Sure. I don't know him personally. 0:04:47.810 --> 0:04:51.830 The institute head of the Edmund Burke Society. And he said, 0:04:51.860 --> 0:04:55.640 we're talking about what happened to our universities, and one 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:58.790 of the things that happened is they have no students. 0:04:58.820 --> 0:05:01.609 Gen Z have no understanding of what Israel is, let 0:05:01.610 --> 0:05:04.790 alone which river, which sea. So he said, there. 0:05:04.790 --> 0:05:07.010 Are a lot of videos of which river? Which sea? Well, 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:08.510 I think the Mississippi or something. 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.180 It's worse than that. They don't know the story of Israel. 0:05:11.180 --> 0:05:14.510 They don't know the Hebrew Bible. So Yoram said, what 0:05:14.510 --> 0:05:16.400 if we were to do a little bit of a 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:19.100 Bible study together? You bring some evangelical scholars and I'll 0:05:19.100 --> 0:05:24.410 bring some Orthodox Jewish scholars study, study Genesis through Kings 0:05:24.410 --> 0:05:28.070 to talk about the political wisdom that's in the Bible. Wow. 0:05:28.100 --> 0:05:31.250 We spent two weeks in August in Jerusalem doing this. 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.969 How fantastic. But but, you know, it's just God's doing 0:05:34.970 --> 0:05:38.570 some really extraordinary things right now. Yeah. Where there are 0:05:38.570 --> 0:05:43.850 bridges being built and conversations being had because we're we're 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:47.180 sort of in the same boat right now as culture 0:05:47.180 --> 0:05:52.920 has turned against Jewish people. Yeah. Jewish people. Israel. 0:05:52.950 --> 0:05:54.840 The canary in the coal mine. 0:05:54.870 --> 0:06:00.000 The United States, the Constitution. Western civilization, Christianity. These are 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:04.740 all enemies of of of the the whole neo-Marxist narrative. 0:06:04.980 --> 0:06:07.739 So we find ourselves in the same boat together. And 0:06:07.770 --> 0:06:11.580 as I had one, there was a Jewish legislator, legislator 0:06:11.580 --> 0:06:14.700 in Denver. And he said to me, you know, Don, 0:06:14.700 --> 0:06:16.950 after they come after us, they're coming after you. 0:06:16.980 --> 0:06:20.850 That's it. The canary in the coal mine. Uh, you 0:06:20.850 --> 0:06:23.310 know that old illustration they would bring the canary in 0:06:23.460 --> 0:06:26.280 and when the gas would come, they knew when the 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:30.330 canary died that to get out of there. Right. And 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:35.310 the Jewish people, when when secular society turns on the 0:06:35.310 --> 0:06:37.890 Jewish people, which is what we're seeing right now. Right. 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:41.940 The next step is to turn on on followers of Jesus, 0:06:41.940 --> 0:06:44.580 turn on evangelical Christianity. That's right. And that's what, you 0:06:44.580 --> 0:06:47.580 know in Nazi Germany. Yes, of course, they turned against 0:06:47.580 --> 0:06:50.700 Jewish people first, but they were going to go after 0:06:50.700 --> 0:06:52.330 the evangelical pastors next. 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.599 That's right. Yeah. The famous Niemoller quote comes to mind. Right? 0:06:55.630 --> 0:06:58.780 But my my secular Jewish friends, they were just in 0:06:58.779 --> 0:07:01.480 shock at at how things have changed. And I would 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:03.729 have conversations with them and they'd say, we don't understand 0:07:03.730 --> 0:07:06.670 what happened to our kids. They'd go to these universities 0:07:06.670 --> 0:07:08.529 and we thought they'd get a good education. But they 0:07:08.529 --> 0:07:11.770 come out hating Israel and the Jewish kids. Everything we 0:07:11.770 --> 0:07:14.860 stand for. Yeah. And they're saying, are all schools like this? 0:07:14.860 --> 0:07:17.200 And I raised my hand at the table. I go, no, 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:20.080 not all of them. You know, Colorado Christian isn't and, 0:07:20.110 --> 0:07:20.740 you know, Moody. 0:07:20.740 --> 0:07:22.120 Bible Institute obviously isn't. 0:07:22.150 --> 0:07:24.940 It just jogs their mind. They don't they have a 0:07:24.940 --> 0:07:26.410 hard time processing that. Yeah. 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.200 But now now here's the thing. I know you've always 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.330 been reading the Bible, you know, raised in the home 0:07:31.330 --> 0:07:35.410 that you were in and you studied, obviously not just 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.710 in your home. You went to Moody Bible Institute. You 0:07:38.710 --> 0:07:41.230 I know you went to Trinity. I don't know all 0:07:41.230 --> 0:07:43.030 the schools that you went to, but I know those 0:07:43.030 --> 0:07:45.070 are some of them, too many at Lawrence University, I 0:07:45.070 --> 0:07:49.960 knew that. Uh, but you studied the scriptures. Is is 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:53.200 that what gave you the perspective that you do about 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:53.950 the Jewish people? 0:07:53.980 --> 0:07:56.530 Yes and no. So when I was a student at Moody, 0:07:56.860 --> 0:08:02.350 I kind of got burned out on eschatology because there 0:08:02.350 --> 0:08:06.010 were sometimes things said in chapel, like, you know, that 0:08:06.010 --> 0:08:09.010 that just didn't make sense to me when I just 0:08:09.010 --> 0:08:11.650 remember when somebody said, if you count up the number 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.440 of numerical value of Henry Kissinger's name, you'll find out 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:17.350 he's the Antichrist. Oh, no, no, no. And I just, 0:08:17.380 --> 0:08:19.360 I just, you know, and I just said, I don't 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.030 need that. I want to focus on the basics. And 0:08:22.030 --> 0:08:25.570 so I came away from Moody just just thinking. They 0:08:25.570 --> 0:08:27.370 can't figure it out. I can't figure it out. Let 0:08:27.370 --> 0:08:30.160 me focus on the the central things in the Christian faith. 0:08:30.190 --> 0:08:32.469 I just want to say that wasn't a faculty member here. No, 0:08:32.470 --> 0:08:32.890 it wasn't. 0:08:32.890 --> 0:08:35.650 And that wasn't typical of the chapels either. But but 0:08:35.650 --> 0:08:39.130 I burned out on it, honestly. And then my I 0:08:39.130 --> 0:08:41.230 was a young pastor. My dad said, do you want 0:08:41.260 --> 0:08:43.630 to lead a tour with me in Israel? We led 0:08:43.630 --> 0:08:47.469 four tours to co led four tours together. And so 0:08:47.500 --> 0:08:52.250 I and I met, we had Orthodox Jewish tour guides, 0:08:52.340 --> 0:08:55.760 and I was stunned when I learned that they believe 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:57.650 more of the Old Testament than I did. That was 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:00.859 sort of it was a rebuking moment. At the same time, 0:09:00.890 --> 0:09:03.830 I had been reading Paul Johnson's History of the Jews. 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:07.910 He was a secular historian, a brilliant historian from Britain. 0:09:07.910 --> 0:09:11.330 And and as you read this thick volume, you realize 0:09:11.330 --> 0:09:15.829 there had been more persecuted than any other people in history. 0:09:15.830 --> 0:09:19.430 They have lasted and kept their identity more than any 0:09:19.429 --> 0:09:22.340 other people in history. They're more gifted than any other. 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:26.059 And I finished that going. Something's going on. I mean, 0:09:26.090 --> 0:09:30.500 what is going on? God's. God's evidently been at work. Regathering. 0:09:30.500 --> 0:09:33.470 They're coming back into the land. Um, and so I 0:09:33.470 --> 0:09:35.510 went back to the Bible at that point and started 0:09:35.510 --> 0:09:39.560 reading the Old Testament and the New Testament together and 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:41.810 trying to fit the pieces together. And it was out 0:09:41.809 --> 0:09:44.750 of that Bible reading that I came to a conviction 0:09:44.750 --> 0:09:48.170 that God is not done with the Jewish people or Israel. 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:51.620 He has he he's made promises that he has to keep. 0:09:51.620 --> 0:09:53.990 The gift and the call are irrevocable. Yeah. 0:09:54.020 --> 0:09:58.700 Romans 1129. Exactly. That's so great. You know Paul Johnson's history. 0:09:58.730 --> 0:10:03.260 I've read many surveys of Jewish history like that one. 0:10:03.620 --> 0:10:07.040 And he's a brilliant writer. I think he passed away. 0:10:07.070 --> 0:10:10.880 He did. You know, he was a a kind of 0:10:10.910 --> 0:10:16.520 neo orthodox Christian. And it's one of the few Jewish 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:18.860 history books. And he's not Jewish. And he wrote this book. 0:10:18.890 --> 0:10:21.319 It's one of the few books that sees he kind 0:10:21.350 --> 0:10:24.110 of hints at it. He says, is is this just 0:10:24.110 --> 0:10:28.520 an unusual, quirky history, or is it the hand of God? Yes. 0:10:28.550 --> 0:10:32.060 And he would raise that as a question. And obviously, 0:10:32.059 --> 0:10:33.890 he seemed to think that there was something to do 0:10:33.890 --> 0:10:35.750 with the Lord in his providence. 0:10:35.780 --> 0:10:39.530 And it was very plain. It was the hand of God. Yeah. Yeah. 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:42.410 So so then I started doing tours over there, and 0:10:42.410 --> 0:10:45.770 then this about two years ago, a year and a 0:10:45.770 --> 0:10:48.780 half ago, I got invited by a Jewish businessman in 0:10:48.780 --> 0:10:52.949 Denver to the 75th anniversary of the State of Israel. 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:57.330 And in the course of the the activities, they took 0:10:57.330 --> 0:11:00.360 us up to the Lebanese border, and we got briefings 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:02.400 by IDF, and we went through some of the tunnels 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.070 that Hezbollah had dug. And we and we saw things 0:11:05.070 --> 0:11:08.310 that the normal tourist doesn't see. And it was just 0:11:08.309 --> 0:11:11.880 a huge eye opener being in the land and seeing it, 0:11:11.910 --> 0:11:16.410 you know, from the sky. And that how they're surrounded 0:11:16.410 --> 0:11:20.400 by a lot of non friendly people. Um, and it 0:11:20.429 --> 0:11:21.390 deepened my love. 0:11:21.420 --> 0:11:24.030 Wow, wow. I'm so glad we're going to talk more 0:11:24.030 --> 0:11:27.240 about that in just a moment. Uh coming up against 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:29.459 a break here. But when we come back my guest 0:11:29.460 --> 0:11:33.120 is Don Sweeting. This hour, doctor Don Sweeting is the 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:37.349 wonderful chancellor of Colorado Christian University, an old friend of mine, 0:11:37.350 --> 0:11:40.380 but not old in his heart or in his body yet, 0:11:40.380 --> 0:11:43.350 but a long time friend, I should say. My name 0:11:43.350 --> 0:11:45.370 is Michael Melnick. You're listening to Open Line. We're going 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:48.520 to come right back with more of our discussion about 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:52.420 the Jewish people, Israel, and opposing anti-Semitism. 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I'm joined by my guest 0:13:23.260 --> 0:13:27.790 this hour, doctor Don Sweeting, chancellor of Colorado Christian University. 0:13:27.820 --> 0:13:30.880 His dad was the president of Moody Bible Institute when 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:33.850 we were both students here. How hard was that for you? 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:35.349 It was hard. Yeah. 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:38.980 I can imagine. My son was a student at Moody 0:13:38.980 --> 0:13:41.559 when I was a professor, and he just made a 0:13:41.590 --> 0:13:43.819 lot of jokes about it, but it was tough on him, 0:13:43.820 --> 0:13:44.270 I think. 0:13:44.300 --> 0:13:47.990 Yeah, it was easy to get a little rebellious at 0:13:47.990 --> 0:13:48.500 the time. 0:13:48.500 --> 0:13:53.569 So yeah, I met Matt Stoll, the son of Joe Stoll. 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:55.280 He said similar. Well, because. 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:58.189 Everybody had high, super high expectations and would put you 0:13:58.190 --> 0:13:59.150 into a box. 0:13:59.179 --> 0:14:00.440 Like being a preacher's kid, right? 0:14:00.470 --> 0:14:03.620 Honestly, looking back, they were great years. I learned the 0:14:03.620 --> 0:14:07.219 English Bible at Moody and more than any other school 0:14:07.220 --> 0:14:10.850 I've gone to. It was, it was. And my character changed. 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:14.300 Yeah, I felt the same way that, uh, you know, 0:14:14.330 --> 0:14:18.890 I went to other schools afterwards, as you did. But 0:14:18.890 --> 0:14:21.530 for me and anyone listening, I think Moody's a great 0:14:21.530 --> 0:14:25.400 foundation for life. We have a mutual friend, Steve, who 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:27.680 became an attorney. And people say, well, why would he 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:31.850 go to Moody? Uh, well, it's that foundation for life. 0:14:31.910 --> 0:14:32.870 Get a Bible base. 0:14:32.900 --> 0:14:36.500 Yeah, it changes your worldview. And so it doesn't matter 0:14:36.500 --> 0:14:38.630 if you're going to full time ministry. We're all going 0:14:38.660 --> 0:14:41.010 into ministry. I think that's why Moody is such a 0:14:41.010 --> 0:14:44.700 great foundation. Whether you're going to get your paycheck in 0:14:44.700 --> 0:14:48.030 a vocational ministry or if you're going to be working 0:14:48.030 --> 0:14:50.760 in society penetrating. 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:52.770 That's right. Look, if the Bible is the most important 0:14:52.770 --> 0:14:55.440 book in the world, and if it's God's Word, then 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.570 you got to take it seriously and you better get 0:14:57.570 --> 0:14:58.440 to know it. Yeah. 0:14:58.470 --> 0:15:03.270 Yeah. So anyway, let's let's do this. I think it's 0:15:03.270 --> 0:15:06.150 important to understand what's going on on our university campuses. 0:15:06.150 --> 0:15:09.360 It's quieted down a little bit now, although. Yeah. Just. 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:12.570 But just yesterday or two days ago in Chicago at 0:15:12.570 --> 0:15:16.770 DePaul University, two Jewish students were assaulted. Right. Uh, what 0:15:16.770 --> 0:15:19.109 in the world was going on? Why are these universities. 0:15:19.290 --> 0:15:22.770 So now people say it's just anti-Israel. But they seemed. 0:15:22.770 --> 0:15:26.940 I saw swastikas, pictures of swastikas and all sorts of 0:15:26.940 --> 0:15:34.260 anti-Semitic imagery. Not just anti-Israel, but anti-Semitic imagery on these 0:15:34.260 --> 0:15:39.180 university encampments and campus, uh, protests. What's going on on 0:15:39.180 --> 0:15:40.530 our campuses. You're the expert. 0:15:40.620 --> 0:15:43.620 Mega mega shifts. So, you know, when I. When we 0:15:43.650 --> 0:15:46.290 went to college, we lived in what I call the 0:15:46.290 --> 0:15:50.280 liberal era. They had not they weren't Bible. The secular 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:52.650 schools were all secular, but they still believed in the 0:15:52.650 --> 0:15:55.650 liberal arts and history and all that. But there's been 0:15:55.650 --> 0:15:59.820 a shift. And this shift is an ideological shift where 0:15:59.820 --> 0:16:05.670 we're in a post liberal world and the there's a 0:16:05.670 --> 0:16:11.160 whole neo-Marxist framework. Cultural Marxism is sometimes called has set 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:14.310 in and there's been an ideological captivity of so many 0:16:14.310 --> 0:16:19.680 universities so that students come away with an ideological framework 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:28.830 that is very anti-Israel, anti-Jewish, anti-Christian, anti-American, anti-Western, anti binary, 0:16:28.860 --> 0:16:31.110 you know, men and women. I mean, it goes in 0:16:31.110 --> 0:16:35.580 so many different directions, and it's based on a critical 0:16:35.580 --> 0:16:39.130 theory where they want to deconstruct things and turn everything 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:40.600 upside down. Yeah. 0:16:40.690 --> 0:16:42.340 So it's bizarre that. 0:16:42.340 --> 0:16:45.610 Shaped a generation. And it's not just in the universities. 0:16:45.610 --> 0:16:48.130 It's been in the K through 12 schools. And so 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:52.840 we're seeing a radicalized Gen Z and people are wondering, 0:16:52.870 --> 0:16:55.090 you know, what's happened to their kids. A lot of 0:16:55.090 --> 0:16:57.729 people are giving up on the university because they don't. 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:00.610 They've lost confidence. And they say, why am I going 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:02.860 to spend $40,000 if it's going to do that to 0:17:02.890 --> 0:17:05.260 my kid? And that's a really good question. 0:17:05.290 --> 0:17:08.260 Yeah, I agree. And, you know, I've been noticing that 0:17:08.260 --> 0:17:11.140 many of the New York high schools, you know, my 0:17:11.140 --> 0:17:14.379 sister went to a particular high school. It's it's turned 0:17:14.380 --> 0:17:19.930 radically anti-Jewish. When, when I was living there in, in 0:17:19.930 --> 0:17:25.659 the Holy Land, Brooklyn, you know, that that high school was, uh, 0:17:26.530 --> 0:17:30.429 was mostly Jewish. I'd say 75% of those students in 0:17:30.460 --> 0:17:34.180 that high school were Jewish. Uh, just a few months ago, 0:17:34.210 --> 0:17:38.540 there was a teacher in that high school, who was 0:17:38.540 --> 0:17:40.430 chased into a room and had to lock the door 0:17:40.430 --> 0:17:43.340 behind her as as crowds of students were shouting all 0:17:43.340 --> 0:17:49.490 sorts of anti-Jewish slogans and pursuing her and threatening a teacher. Yeah. 0:17:49.910 --> 0:17:52.760 Well, you think about the presidents of the three schools 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:57.530 that testified before Congress last December, and they couldn't condemn genocide, 0:17:57.530 --> 0:18:00.980 and yet they condemn all kinds of little picayune microaggressions. 0:18:01.010 --> 0:18:04.010 You use the wrong pronoun. You know, you're grounded and 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:08.119 and and and so it was very evident that there 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:11.660 was an antisemite, a deep anti-Semitism at work, at places 0:18:11.660 --> 0:18:13.729 like Harvard. And then when they tried to fix it, 0:18:13.730 --> 0:18:16.580 they appointed somebody over who who was even, you know, 0:18:16.609 --> 0:18:20.030 more anti-progressive. Yeah. So it's not going to go away. Yeah. 0:18:20.060 --> 0:18:22.369 I think we're going to get a reprieve in terms 0:18:22.369 --> 0:18:26.000 of the public pressure because of the new administration. 0:18:26.030 --> 0:18:29.540 But I think for young people today who are going 0:18:29.540 --> 0:18:33.139 to college, I think schools like Colorado Christian and schools 0:18:33.140 --> 0:18:35.960 like Moody Bible Institute, depending on what people want to do. 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:39.050 Now we both have both. Our schools have grad programs, 0:18:39.050 --> 0:18:43.430 but I think it's so important to get that foundation 0:18:43.430 --> 0:18:49.879 of understanding, you know. That's right. That that's so important. Now, now, 0:18:49.910 --> 0:18:54.560 Colorado Christian's a Christian liberal arts school. Yeah. Moody is 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:58.670 more of a ministry training school. Right. But, you know, 0:18:58.700 --> 0:19:00.230 the foundation is there. 0:19:00.260 --> 0:19:03.770 You get a Bible foundation. I know you do at 0:19:03.770 --> 0:19:06.920 Moody because I was at Moody. But we require students 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:10.400 to get a strong foundation in the New Testament and 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:14.210 in the Old Testament. And we of course, we promote 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:17.930 debate and we push the liberal arts, and we require 0:19:17.930 --> 0:19:20.840 that you learn history and you learn about the Holocaust, 0:19:20.869 --> 0:19:22.280 and you learn history. 0:19:22.310 --> 0:19:24.619 As as reality. Fact. 0:19:24.650 --> 0:19:25.190 That's right. 0:19:25.220 --> 0:19:30.140 Not not your narrative. My my lived experience versus your 0:19:30.140 --> 0:19:31.130 lived experience. Right. 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:33.510 Yeah. And so much of this has been lost. So 0:19:33.510 --> 0:19:36.390 you have those basic realities. But then I think both 0:19:36.390 --> 0:19:38.850 of our schools have gone an extra step. So right 0:19:38.850 --> 0:19:42.990 after October 7th, we started speaking out very, very vocally. 0:19:42.990 --> 0:19:46.500 And then the day the three presidents got up to 0:19:46.530 --> 0:19:50.880 testify before Congress, we had a fundraiser for Israel. We 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:54.570 invited all Jewish leaders in our state, and we raised 0:19:54.570 --> 0:19:57.210 over $1 million, and we gave it all to United Hatzalah, 0:19:57.210 --> 0:20:00.090 which was the big relief agency. 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:02.189 It's a really important agency because they're the ones that 0:20:02.190 --> 0:20:07.109 when there's a murder, like like what we saw on ten, seven, 0:20:07.140 --> 0:20:10.800 23 or like a bombing. Right? 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:13.649 They're the first responders, first responders to anybody. 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.199 Yes. And they gather it doesn't matter. And they gather 0:20:16.230 --> 0:20:18.930 they actually gather up all the body parts and they 0:20:18.930 --> 0:20:21.780 they treat them with great dignity and respect because of 0:20:21.780 --> 0:20:24.149 how they believe that that man is made in the 0:20:24.150 --> 0:20:26.129 image of God. Humanity is made in the image of God. 0:20:26.130 --> 0:20:28.590 That's right. So so we were doing things like that. 0:20:28.590 --> 0:20:30.840 And you're doing a conference like this, and I'm just 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:33.400 saying to our audience. You're not going to find this 0:20:33.430 --> 0:20:35.830 at many, many schools. No, there are so many schools 0:20:35.830 --> 0:20:39.100 have either let this stuff go wild or they're silent 0:20:39.100 --> 0:20:42.850 because they treat it like, oh, it's a morally neutral thing. 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:47.139 You know, Israel's as bad as Hamas and it's just terrible. 0:20:47.170 --> 0:20:51.220 So, you know, the big transition that, uh, that I've 0:20:51.220 --> 0:20:57.430 seen is that after 1967, with the Six-Day War in 1968, 0:20:57.430 --> 0:21:00.340 all of a sudden the Jewish people went from being oppressed. 0:21:00.340 --> 0:21:03.310 And that's why Israel existed. So they could defend themselves 0:21:03.310 --> 0:21:06.070 to oppress her. Right. It was that was the big change. 0:21:06.070 --> 0:21:09.040 And I think that that has to do with the 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:12.550 the new left that erupted. Yeah, that came out of 0:21:12.550 --> 0:21:15.280 the woodwork there. You know, we had the 1968 convention 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:16.449 here in Chicago. It's the. 0:21:16.450 --> 0:21:20.080 Post-liberal left. So it's not even liberal, you know. In fact, 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:22.480 the liberals are very are looking at this going, what's 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:26.290 happened to America? This used to be a safe haven, 0:21:26.530 --> 0:21:33.130 but it's a post liberal progressive again culturally Marxist. It 0:21:33.130 --> 0:21:37.120 uses Marxist categorized categories to to look at things. 0:21:37.270 --> 0:21:39.580 And so it seems to me like the old Marxist 0:21:39.580 --> 0:21:43.990 category was economic, you know. That's right. It was the 0:21:44.020 --> 0:21:45.940 haves versus the have nots. Yeah. 0:21:45.970 --> 0:21:46.960 And this is cultural. 0:21:46.990 --> 0:21:51.970 It's cultural and it's almost it's, you know, it's it's 0:21:51.970 --> 0:21:56.890 the white people's oppressing the dark peoples. And there's no 0:21:56.890 --> 0:21:58.750 question that there was a history of racism in the 0:21:58.750 --> 0:22:02.020 past and all that. However, when you look at the situation, 0:22:02.020 --> 0:22:05.379 for example, in Israel, it was somehow chosen that the 0:22:05.380 --> 0:22:09.430 Jewish people of Israel were the white people, the white oppressors, 0:22:09.430 --> 0:22:14.139 and the Palestinians were the oppressed. And you've been to Israel. 0:22:14.170 --> 0:22:18.730 Can you tell the difference? Yeah, right. We look the same. 0:22:19.300 --> 0:22:23.590 So it's quite arbitrary when you think about it. So 0:22:23.859 --> 0:22:28.180 that's shocking. But it now I care deeply for Palestinians. 0:22:28.180 --> 0:22:30.740 I know you do too. I'd love to see Palestinians 0:22:30.740 --> 0:22:34.040 come to know the Lord, just as I want Jewish 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:38.210 people to come to know the Lord. Uh, but. And 0:22:38.210 --> 0:22:39.980 there's there's no but about wanting them to come to 0:22:39.980 --> 0:22:43.730 the Lord. But there are situations, like with groups like 0:22:43.730 --> 0:22:49.400 Hamas that are murderous, genocidal groups, that it's that's why 0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:51.050 the Bible says there's a time for war and a 0:22:51.050 --> 0:22:53.659 time for peace. Right? There are times that that it's 0:22:53.660 --> 0:22:55.610 it's justifiable to go to war, right? 0:22:55.640 --> 0:23:00.050 Israel has to defend its people, as any nation should. 0:23:00.050 --> 0:23:04.460 And what Hamas has done to the Palestinian people is, is, 0:23:04.490 --> 0:23:05.270 is terrible. 0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:09.530 I think what they've done. Yeah. Is oppressing their own people. 0:23:09.530 --> 0:23:11.840 And it's and it's not just in Gaza. It's it's 0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:15.830 in Lebanon now where they found all these missile factories underneath, 0:23:16.100 --> 0:23:19.160 you know, homes and hospitals and everything else. This is 0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:22.580 this goes against what, you know, UN regulations of what 0:23:22.580 --> 0:23:24.800 you're supposed to do. And it really makes you a 0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:26.959 war zone. You're not a school or a hospital is 0:23:26.960 --> 0:23:28.110 not to be a war zone. 0:23:28.109 --> 0:23:33.150 So I have this very dear Palestinian neighbor who's very 0:23:33.150 --> 0:23:37.350 kind to me, always good neighbor here in Chicago. And 0:23:38.100 --> 0:23:40.590 he said a very interesting thing to me because he 0:23:40.590 --> 0:23:45.870 was he was talking about how oppressed his family felt, 0:23:45.900 --> 0:23:49.859 not by even Hamas, but by the Palestinian Authority. Yes. 0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:53.400 And and so I was kind of tell me more, 0:23:53.400 --> 0:23:56.340 tell me more. And I said, well, let me ask 0:23:56.340 --> 0:23:59.609 you this. Every year I see reports at Christmas time 0:23:59.609 --> 0:24:04.350 about how Israel is oppressing the Palestinians and the Palestinian 0:24:04.350 --> 0:24:10.140 Christians and and your Palestinian Christian family, who why don't 0:24:10.140 --> 0:24:12.869 you speak out? He said, and he puts his hand 0:24:12.869 --> 0:24:15.690 on my hand and he says, oh, my brother, don't 0:24:15.690 --> 0:24:18.810 you know, if I spoke out, they would go find 0:24:18.810 --> 0:24:22.260 my family and kill them. And so he. 0:24:22.260 --> 0:24:25.590 Was talking about the Palestinian Authority. Yeah. That would do that. Yeah. Yeah. 0:24:25.619 --> 0:24:28.470 That's right. Yeah. I hear the same stories. 0:24:28.500 --> 0:24:31.199 Yeah, that's. That's shocking and terrible. And so one of 0:24:31.200 --> 0:24:35.909 the speakers at this seminar, a seminar summit tomorrow, is 0:24:35.910 --> 0:24:41.790 a pastor from a congregation in Nazareth. He's a Palestinian 0:24:41.790 --> 0:24:45.480 Christian who says he feels so much safer living as 0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:47.850 a citizen of Israel. Right, because. 0:24:47.850 --> 0:24:50.340 He's heard the same stories? Yeah. So when I was 0:24:50.340 --> 0:24:53.070 there in August, we had a Palestinian Christian meet with 0:24:53.070 --> 0:24:56.640 us and and he said, you know, all the schools 0:24:56.670 --> 0:25:03.149 in the Palestinian territories in Jerusalem and in, in, uh, uh, 0:25:03.180 --> 0:25:07.470 certainly in Gaza, they're they're using the Islamic narrative to 0:25:07.500 --> 0:25:09.870 teach the history. So he said, we naturally grow up 0:25:09.869 --> 0:25:12.480 just hating, hating Israel. And he said, so that's the 0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:18.389 way I was raised. And then my cousin, um, received 0:25:18.390 --> 0:25:22.080 a request to, to marry this Islamic man. And she 0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:26.080 said no. And they, they they forced her. They abducted her. Wow. 0:25:26.109 --> 0:25:28.659 And when we tried to intervene, they threatened our lives. 0:25:28.660 --> 0:25:30.939 And he said it was at that point that I 0:25:30.940 --> 0:25:33.970 had to question everything. He moved to Tel Aviv, and 0:25:33.970 --> 0:25:36.640 he realized that he had been sold a false bill 0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:38.380 of goods. Yeah. Wow. 0:25:38.410 --> 0:25:41.170 Well, that's that's an amazing story. We'll talk more about 0:25:41.170 --> 0:25:43.450 things like that when we come back. That's don sweet. 0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:45.790 I'm Michael Ray Dolnick. Stay with us. There's more to 0:25:45.820 --> 0:25:59.680 come right here on Open Line. 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However, 0:26:49.780 --> 0:26:52.780 today is a special pre-recorded program, so there's no need 0:26:52.780 --> 0:26:55.420 to call. You can call next week or you can 0:26:55.420 --> 0:26:57.670 send your question. All you have to do is go 0:26:57.670 --> 0:27:01.060 to Openline radio.org. Click on the link that says Ask 0:27:01.060 --> 0:27:04.629 Michael a question and it'll get posted. And then Tricia 0:27:04.630 --> 0:27:07.750 will put it in the mailbag, the Febc mailbag for 0:27:07.750 --> 0:27:14.020 next week. But joining me today is he he has 0:27:14.020 --> 0:27:17.169 no idea. He's he's well beloved by me. We've been 0:27:17.170 --> 0:27:20.350 friends or at least acquaintances for many years because we 0:27:20.380 --> 0:27:23.389 went to college together. This is doctor Don Sweeting. But, 0:27:23.420 --> 0:27:27.170 you know, his dad is really my all time hero 0:27:27.170 --> 0:27:29.179 in life. I've always said when I grow up, I 0:27:29.180 --> 0:27:33.889 want to be like George Sweeting. And so, truthfully, I 0:27:33.890 --> 0:27:36.110 would pray for you all the time. When you were 0:27:36.109 --> 0:27:39.830 pastoring the church up in the northwest suburbs, uh, I 0:27:39.830 --> 0:27:42.679 would think about you when you went to. You were 0:27:42.680 --> 0:27:45.800 president of a seminary and then you were president of 0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:48.680 Colorado Christian Talk. I would talk with your dad about 0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:50.990 you all the time. Pray for you. Thank you. So 0:27:51.020 --> 0:27:54.650 you had no idea that you I knew you, but. 0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:59.389 And in fact, he said, yeah. Yeah. Uh, Don's doing great. 0:27:59.420 --> 0:28:01.580 He would always give me really great reports. That was 0:28:01.580 --> 0:28:05.480 always wonderful. So anyway, I'm grateful to God that he 0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:08.510 had a small impact on my life because I didn't 0:28:08.510 --> 0:28:11.960 get to grow up with him. But, uh, great impact 0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:15.290 in your life. You could see it, uh, in, in your, 0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:19.129 your very face, your character, your being and your mom too, 0:28:19.130 --> 0:28:21.419 by the way, who and so let's just say it 0:28:21.420 --> 0:28:23.340 right here on the radio. You've lost both your parents 0:28:23.340 --> 0:28:25.590 in the last few weeks. Yeah. How tough? 0:28:26.130 --> 0:28:29.010 It's tough when you lose them both together. They were 0:28:29.010 --> 0:28:31.410 in their high 90s, but they were still living at home. 0:28:31.410 --> 0:28:34.740 In fact, dad was driving until May when he fell 0:28:34.740 --> 0:28:35.610 and broke his hip. 0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:36.300 Wow. 0:28:37.140 --> 0:28:40.530 So they were in pretty good shape for their age. 0:28:40.530 --> 0:28:45.450 But then things started getting complicated real fast, and. And 0:28:45.450 --> 0:28:46.200 they're gone. 0:28:46.230 --> 0:28:49.020 Yeah. I'm so sorry. What a tough time. But, you know, 0:28:49.050 --> 0:28:51.660 God has blessed you for so long to have them. Yeah. 0:28:51.690 --> 0:28:53.520 We're we're grateful. I'm going to. 0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:56.100 Tell you my my favorite story about your mom. When 0:28:56.100 --> 0:28:59.610 I went up to visit them just before the pandemic. 0:28:59.820 --> 0:29:04.709 And she. She was embarrassed because she didn't make the 0:29:04.710 --> 0:29:09.750 strudel that she. That she served me. Yeah. Because she 0:29:09.750 --> 0:29:12.209 was a great baker. And she always would make the 0:29:12.210 --> 0:29:13.170 strudel or whatever. 0:29:13.170 --> 0:29:14.730 His daughter. Yeah. Right. 0:29:15.510 --> 0:29:17.310 So I had. This is a good German bakery, though. 0:29:17.310 --> 0:29:19.380 She said you'll like it. It was good. 0:29:19.410 --> 0:29:22.090 You know, Proverbs says, blessed is the memory of the righteous, 0:29:22.090 --> 0:29:24.520 but I think it's revelation. It says, blessed are those 0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:27.370 who die in the Lord. So there's a double blessing. 0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:30.400 The memories are incredible. But to know that they died 0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:35.440 in the Lord there with him. And that's. That's good news. 0:29:35.470 --> 0:29:37.810 Yeah, yeah, well, I know it's tough for the whole family, 0:29:37.810 --> 0:29:41.530 but I'm grateful to God for their lives. And I 0:29:41.530 --> 0:29:44.680 know we don't grieve as those without hope. Right. That's right. So. 0:29:44.710 --> 0:29:48.700 That's right. Yeah. Well, okay. You were telling me something about, uh. 0:29:48.700 --> 0:29:51.640 What was that? When you went to Israel? You were 0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:55.570 taken to the place where Hamas assaulted the southern. 0:29:56.080 --> 0:29:58.000 So. So this about that this past trip, we were 0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:00.040 there in August, and it was really at the height 0:30:00.070 --> 0:30:02.830 of the Iranian threat. So you check into your hotel 0:30:02.830 --> 0:30:05.230 and they go here, here's your key, and here's where 0:30:05.230 --> 0:30:07.840 the shelter is. Oh, wow. And every night, you know, 0:30:07.870 --> 0:30:10.720 we were expecting attacks. So it's hard, hard to sleep. 0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:13.780 But our group took us down to the Gaza border. 0:30:13.780 --> 0:30:16.989 We had an IDF briefing, two IDF briefings of what 0:30:16.990 --> 0:30:20.290 was going on there. And they took us to the 0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:23.650 Nova site, the festival site, and we talked with survivors 0:30:23.650 --> 0:30:26.440 and some of the sites where the attacks took place 0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:29.950 and saw all the cars, you know, thousands of cars 0:30:29.950 --> 0:30:33.790 that were burned and bulleted. And it was so sobering. 0:30:33.970 --> 0:30:36.610 Michael and all around, too are signs like, if you 0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:39.520 if you're not near a shelter and you hear the 0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:43.600 sirens go off, you have, you know, like 10s to 0:30:43.630 --> 0:30:45.460 find a place to hide or lay on the ground 0:30:45.460 --> 0:30:47.560 and cover your head. So these people live with the 0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:50.650 everyday reality of missiles coming over, and they have for 0:30:50.650 --> 0:30:53.260 a long time. And Americans just can't seem to grasp this. 0:30:53.290 --> 0:30:57.730 Yeah, yeah. And yeah, that's why they think. And I'm 0:30:57.730 --> 0:31:03.280 amazed we'll be talking to an IDF soldier next hour. Uh, 0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:06.550 he's a moody student, and he left Moody and served 0:31:06.550 --> 0:31:09.910 in Gaza. Wow. During the war. At the beginning of it. 0:31:09.910 --> 0:31:14.080 And what what people are not aware of is Israel 0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:19.160 does so much to try and protect The civilians, Palestinian 0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:23.360 civilians and Hamas does everything they can to to use 0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:25.910 them as human shields and put them in harm's way. Yeah, 0:31:25.940 --> 0:31:27.350 it's it's heartbreaking. 0:31:27.380 --> 0:31:31.040 And that doesn't get in the mainstream media ever, because 0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:33.950 there's a bias against Israel in the mainstream media. 0:31:33.980 --> 0:31:37.820 Yeah. Yeah. My, my son served as an infantry soldier 0:31:38.570 --> 0:31:41.750 in the Israel Defense Forces after he graduated from Moody. 0:31:41.930 --> 0:31:44.900 You know, he went moved to Israel, became a citizen, 0:31:44.930 --> 0:31:47.390 got drafted. They said, well, you're older. He was 24. 0:31:47.420 --> 0:31:51.200 We'll put you in a desk job or something, maybe 0:31:51.230 --> 0:31:53.870 kitchen do something for six months so you can say 0:31:53.870 --> 0:31:56.300 you served. And he said, no, I didn't move to 0:31:56.330 --> 0:32:01.550 Israel to do that. And and he served as a 0:32:01.550 --> 0:32:06.830 machine gunner. Wow. And it was in a special anti-terrorist unit. 0:32:07.100 --> 0:32:11.390 And it was it was sobering for me. I didn't 0:32:11.390 --> 0:32:13.880 sleep for two years while he was doing that. But 0:32:13.910 --> 0:32:17.060 what what he told me most because they were specializing 0:32:17.060 --> 0:32:20.240 in close quarter urban combat, was all that they did 0:32:20.270 --> 0:32:23.660 to put themselves in harm's way to they had to 0:32:23.690 --> 0:32:27.620 learn to protect innocent Palestinian civilians. That was part of 0:32:27.650 --> 0:32:31.700 their training. Every day was to make sure that they 0:32:31.700 --> 0:32:34.940 protected the innocent as best they could, even if it 0:32:34.940 --> 0:32:40.910 put themselves in in harm's way. And so, uh, it 0:32:40.910 --> 0:32:41.810 is it is. 0:32:41.840 --> 0:32:44.270 I've heard stories that no army has ever gone to 0:32:44.300 --> 0:32:47.270 that length to protect the other civilians on the other 0:32:47.270 --> 0:32:48.710 side as the IDF. 0:32:48.740 --> 0:32:50.630 And then, of course, you're going to find, as in 0:32:50.630 --> 0:32:52.820 any army, there's going to be some soldier that does 0:32:52.820 --> 0:32:54.620 things wrong, you know, and. 0:32:54.650 --> 0:32:55.970 And mistakes made. Yeah. 0:32:55.970 --> 0:32:59.210 And that's what's going to hit the media, right. You know, 0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:02.360 that's the only thing not all the soldiers that may 0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:08.390 even die themselves to, to protect the innocent. Uh, anyway, 0:33:08.390 --> 0:33:10.459 so now you were mentioning what's going on in the 0:33:10.460 --> 0:33:13.340 south and the north. You've got Hezbollah, and I have 0:33:13.340 --> 0:33:16.200 relatives that live on the Lebanese border, and a lot 0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:20.010 of the people from that area have been evacuated. Jewish people, 0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:23.880 almost between 60 and 100,000 Jewish people from the border 0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:29.010 of Israel, uh, have been evacuated to keep them safe. 0:33:29.010 --> 0:33:31.800 So I keep checking with my cousins and saying, are 0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:34.830 you leaving? And they said, no, because we don't want 0:33:34.860 --> 0:33:39.510 Hezbollah to determine the borders of Israel. If we leave, 0:33:39.540 --> 0:33:43.650 then they're determining our borders. Yeah. And so, uh, when 0:33:43.650 --> 0:33:46.950 the when Hezbollah just recently started firing, well, they started 0:33:46.950 --> 0:33:51.570 firing rockets on October 8th, but recently they've been firing 0:33:51.570 --> 0:33:55.830 at Nahariya. Um, and one landed on a house about 0:33:55.830 --> 0:34:00.090 three houses down from my cousin and her husband. And 0:34:00.090 --> 0:34:05.400 it it destroyed that house. Yeah. Uh, and the other cousin, 0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:10.080 my this couple's daughter, his adult daughter, uh, when the 0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:15.700 Iranian missiles came over. Ballistic missiles. Some shrapnel of the 0:34:15.700 --> 0:34:18.160 missiles that were shot out of the sky landed on 0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:20.620 her home. Set it on fire. Yeah. And so? 0:34:20.650 --> 0:34:23.229 Well, I have them when I'm over there. I got 0:34:23.230 --> 0:34:25.509 an app on my phone called Red alert, and it 0:34:25.540 --> 0:34:27.609 tells you when missiles are coming in. And it was 0:34:27.610 --> 0:34:30.160 just because I wanted to know, you know, what was 0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:32.140 going on. And I kept it on my phone. And 0:34:32.140 --> 0:34:36.790 it's constant. They're constant little things. Missile fired, drone fired. 0:34:36.820 --> 0:34:39.940 And I can't remember the exact number, but it's way 0:34:39.940 --> 0:34:46.029 over 20,000 since October 7th, 20,000. You know, if that 0:34:46.030 --> 0:34:49.330 happened on our border, you know what we would do? 0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:52.989 Yeah, well, they wouldn't we wouldn't listen to Israel telling 0:34:52.989 --> 0:34:54.250 us to restrain ourselves. 0:34:54.250 --> 0:34:58.210 No. Yeah. Yeah, right. We would not accept Canada telling 0:34:58.210 --> 0:35:02.770 us to restrain herself like the current administration has been 0:35:02.770 --> 0:35:06.580 telling Israel. Nor would we reveal the plans of of 0:35:06.580 --> 0:35:09.670 the Israeli IDF to the world. 0:35:09.700 --> 0:35:12.820 It is it is heartbreaking. And I know that there 0:35:12.850 --> 0:35:17.290 have been civilians who have have suffered greatly in Gaza. 0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:21.219 My heart is broken for them. But I don't know 0:35:21.219 --> 0:35:23.890 what the options are. You know, in Romans 13 it 0:35:23.890 --> 0:35:28.180 says the government has been given a sword, right? Yeah, 0:35:28.210 --> 0:35:32.020 it's it's responsibility. It's a servant of God to protect 0:35:32.020 --> 0:35:35.590 the innocent and punish the wicked. Right. And the sword 0:35:35.590 --> 0:35:38.230 was the Roman assault weapon, right? You know, that was 0:35:38.230 --> 0:35:42.520 their M-16. Yeah. Uh, and so what that is saying 0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:47.020 is that even a civil government. Not necessarily, you know, theocracy, 0:35:47.020 --> 0:35:50.680 but a civil government has a responsibility to protect their people, 0:35:50.860 --> 0:35:53.740 even with with force like that. I don't know what 0:35:53.770 --> 0:35:55.420 other option there is. Well, no, they. 0:35:55.420 --> 0:35:57.520 Have to and we would want our government to do 0:35:57.520 --> 0:35:59.890 the same. But I think it's important to say, you know, 0:35:59.920 --> 0:36:03.250 we want a just peace in the Middle East, a 0:36:03.250 --> 0:36:06.700 peace where every party recognizes the right to exist of 0:36:06.700 --> 0:36:10.060 the other party. And this is the problem, because once 0:36:10.070 --> 0:36:13.100 Islam conquers a territory, they believe that it's theirs forever 0:36:13.100 --> 0:36:15.979 and that if somebody else is occupying it, they need 0:36:16.010 --> 0:36:19.610 to do jihad and and take, take them out. So 0:36:19.850 --> 0:36:23.150 they're until they recognize Israel's right to exist. 0:36:23.180 --> 0:36:24.500 Really recognize. 0:36:24.500 --> 0:36:27.500 It. The government of Israel has to defend itself. Yeah. 0:36:27.530 --> 0:36:29.900 Has to be that way. And I know the Israelis 0:36:29.900 --> 0:36:32.150 really want a peace, too. They don't know how it's 0:36:32.150 --> 0:36:34.040 going to happen, but they really long for it. Right. 0:36:34.070 --> 0:36:35.930 We're going to come back and talk a little bit more. 0:36:36.140 --> 0:36:38.690 That's Don Sweeting and Michael Ray Dolnick, and we'll be 0:36:38.690 --> 0:36:41.570 right back. You're listening to Open Line on Moody Radio. 0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:52.520 Some claim Paul is the key person who took the 0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:57.140 message of the Jewish Messiah. Jesus made it into something Gentile. 0:36:57.440 --> 0:37:00.980 But Paul is also the one who wrote. Brethren, my 0:37:00.980 --> 0:37:05.210 heart's desire for Israel is for their salvation. Romans ten 0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:09.750 one chosen people ministries. One of our underwriters wants us 0:37:09.750 --> 0:37:13.770 all to learn what drove Paul's passion for his own people. 0:37:13.770 --> 0:37:16.739 They're offering the book The Heart of the Apostle by 0:37:16.739 --> 0:37:20.070 Rich Freeman, free to all open line listeners. To get 0:37:20.070 --> 0:37:22.710 this exposition of Romans nine through 11, just go to 0:37:22.739 --> 0:37:26.640 our website, openline. radio.org. Scroll down to the link that 0:37:26.640 --> 0:37:29.730 says A free gift from Chosen People Ministries. Click on 0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:31.800 that and you'll be taken to a page where you 0:37:31.830 --> 0:37:34.469 can sign up for your very own free copy of 0:37:34.469 --> 0:37:45.330 The Heart of the Apostle. Paul, welcome back to Open Line. 0:37:45.330 --> 0:37:48.839 I'm Michael Radonich. Joining me today for this special pre-recorded 0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:52.859 edition of Open Line is doctor Don Sweeting, chancellor of 0:37:52.860 --> 0:37:56.009 Colorado Christian University. Before anything else, I just want to 0:37:56.010 --> 0:37:58.680 say thank you so much for coming to the summit 0:37:58.710 --> 0:38:02.070 opposing anti-Semitism. Thank you so much for being here in 0:38:02.070 --> 0:38:04.770 the studio with me means so much to me. It 0:38:04.770 --> 0:38:05.190 really does. 0:38:05.219 --> 0:38:08.009 I'm delighted to be here and I admire you for 0:38:08.010 --> 0:38:11.730 putting this together and being a standout school in our 0:38:11.730 --> 0:38:13.649 country at this moment in history. 0:38:13.830 --> 0:38:16.770 Well, you know, I'm grateful that Mark job, we mentioned, 0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:19.020 he and I were talking yesterday about some of the 0:38:19.050 --> 0:38:23.969 anti-Semitic incidents, uh, in the Chicago area in just the 0:38:23.969 --> 0:38:27.359 last few days. And when he called me to talk 0:38:27.390 --> 0:38:29.040 about that, I thought, oh, no, he's going to be 0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:32.700 nervous about the summit coming up. And he said, uh, 0:38:32.790 --> 0:38:35.009 isn't this the perfect time for us to hold this 0:38:35.010 --> 0:38:38.189 summit to make a stand? And I thought, I love 0:38:38.190 --> 0:38:41.940 having Mark Jobe as our president. You know, he had 0:38:41.969 --> 0:38:45.000 had big shoes to fill. You know, George Sweeting held those, 0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:47.940 but he's doing a great job. And I appreciate that 0:38:47.940 --> 0:38:49.560 courage that he has. Well, and you. 0:38:49.590 --> 0:38:51.569 May catch flack for it. You may you may get 0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:53.790 who knows, you may get picketed. That's just part of 0:38:53.790 --> 0:38:54.630 the territory. Yeah. 0:38:54.660 --> 0:38:57.989 Yeah. And it's okay. You know, uh, you know, we've 0:38:57.989 --> 0:39:01.830 been picketed before for other reasons, so that's not a problem. Uh, 0:39:02.430 --> 0:39:07.720 but here's the thing. Uh, I appreciate so much that 0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:10.569 you are building bridges with Jewish scholars and Jewish people. 0:39:10.570 --> 0:39:13.540 Like you mentioned, studying the Bible with Jewish scholars. You 0:39:13.540 --> 0:39:17.319 mentioned that earlier. Mhm. Uh, one of the things that 0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:22.180 people think is that somehow because we're talking about God 0:39:22.210 --> 0:39:26.290 has a plan for Israel, right? Uh, that's one misconception, 0:39:26.290 --> 0:39:30.160 they think, is that somehow we're saying that Jewish people 0:39:30.340 --> 0:39:34.270 don't need to, to believe in Jesus. Yeah. God has 0:39:34.270 --> 0:39:35.950 a special choice to the Jewish people. He's got a 0:39:35.950 --> 0:39:39.490 plan for the Jewish people nationally. There's a special, uh, 0:39:39.489 --> 0:39:43.150 I think, hand of God on the Jewish people. But 0:39:43.180 --> 0:39:46.719 Jewish people like everyone. We need to trust in Jesus, 0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:47.649 don't you think? Right. Yeah. 0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:50.469 Of course. Yeah. I had a fascinating conversation with a 0:39:50.469 --> 0:39:53.380 rabbi friend in Israel about a year and a half ago, 0:39:53.380 --> 0:39:58.120 and he was involved in discussions with evangelical leaders, and, 0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:01.540 and he and and I said, well, you know, evangelicals, 0:40:01.540 --> 0:40:04.600 we talk about Jesus. We believe he's the same. He said, well, 0:40:04.600 --> 0:40:07.719 you can't do that in these conversations. I said, well, 0:40:07.750 --> 0:40:10.750 I mean, that's who we are now. He had a 0:40:10.780 --> 0:40:12.790 he hears his point. He did have a good point. 0:40:12.820 --> 0:40:17.680 He said, so many Christians, they they, they don't realize 0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:23.830 what the past Christian anti-Semitism and the pain and the, 0:40:23.830 --> 0:40:25.930 the horrible things that have been done in the name 0:40:25.930 --> 0:40:29.560 of Christ. And he said they want to rush into 0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:32.920 things and they don't build relationships of trust and, and 0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:35.830 accept people for, for who they are. And I think 0:40:35.830 --> 0:40:39.610 it's a very valid point. It's it's you build bridges 0:40:39.610 --> 0:40:42.339 into people's lives. You love them because that's the right 0:40:42.340 --> 0:40:43.270 thing to do. 0:40:43.270 --> 0:40:45.939 And that's that bridge is the bridge for the gospel. 0:40:46.030 --> 0:40:48.130 You know, it is Jo Jo Aldrich. You say you 0:40:48.130 --> 0:40:50.649 love people until they ask you why. Yeah. That's right. 0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:51.850 And that's it. You know, the. 0:40:51.850 --> 0:40:55.210 Treasure is Jesus. Yeah. And and there's a lot of 0:40:55.210 --> 0:40:58.000 my Jewish friends say we don't think he's the Messiah. 0:40:58.030 --> 0:40:59.830 I said, where are you going to be really surprised 0:40:59.830 --> 0:41:02.410 when he comes and and you recognize that he is. But, 0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:05.030 you know, until that time we will love you. We 0:41:05.030 --> 0:41:07.940 will stand with you. And you know, we want you 0:41:07.940 --> 0:41:10.460 to know that Christ is our life. And and you 0:41:10.460 --> 0:41:11.540 need you need him. 0:41:11.570 --> 0:41:13.490 Yeah. Well, you know, I so appreciate you saying that 0:41:13.489 --> 0:41:17.150 about Jewish history because you're a church historian. Most people. 0:41:17.150 --> 0:41:21.049 That was your academic area, right? Right. Yeah. And, you know, 0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:25.610 most church historians aren't even hardly aware of that history. 0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:28.460 And yet Jewish people, we're so aware of it because 0:41:28.489 --> 0:41:30.980 it's so much of our history. You know, what the 0:41:31.010 --> 0:41:35.000 what the church and Christianity is, unfortunately. And today, though, 0:41:35.000 --> 0:41:38.719 there's a shift in the new anti-Semitism, which is it's 0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:42.859 less it's not so much Christian today, it's more Islamic 0:41:42.860 --> 0:41:47.330 or secular. Right, which is a big change. Uh, really 0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:48.049 kind of remarkable. 0:41:48.080 --> 0:41:51.799 If you think about this, the 20th century. So with 0:41:51.830 --> 0:41:55.430 the the Nazis, I mean, Hitler went after the Jews, 0:41:55.430 --> 0:41:58.520 but he started going after the Christians, too, as Niemöller 0:41:58.550 --> 0:42:01.760 points out. And then in the Soviet Union, the same 0:42:01.770 --> 0:42:04.470 thing happened. They went after the Jews, but then they 0:42:04.469 --> 0:42:07.620 also went after the Christians. Now here we are in 0:42:07.620 --> 0:42:14.370 2024 and we're seeing this, this leftist ideology which which 0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:18.240 hates the Jews, but it also hates the Christians. You know, 0:42:18.270 --> 0:42:21.120 so we we're finding ourselves in the same boat and 0:42:21.120 --> 0:42:23.190 being in the same boat. We're looking at each other 0:42:23.190 --> 0:42:25.290 and we're getting to know each other and talking and 0:42:25.290 --> 0:42:27.630 having conversations that we have not had. 0:42:27.900 --> 0:42:30.360 And, you know, that's in my I live in a 0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:34.020 very Orthodox neighborhood, and they know Moody Bible Institute. I 0:42:34.020 --> 0:42:39.480 have a rabbi friend. In fact, uh, I knew his grandfather, 0:42:39.480 --> 0:42:41.940 who was also a rabbi, back in the day when 0:42:41.940 --> 0:42:44.190 I was a kid. And here here I am in 0:42:44.190 --> 0:42:48.540 Chicago and we met. We've become friends. And he recognizes 0:42:48.540 --> 0:42:51.720 that the true friends, the people that will care the 0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:55.620 most for the Jewish community at this time of just 0:42:55.650 --> 0:43:02.460 enlarged and growing and, uh, just exploding anti-Semitism. The people 0:43:02.460 --> 0:43:06.299 that will stand with the Jewish people are there are 0:43:06.300 --> 0:43:09.600 the followers of Jesus. They're speaking up. They're they're taking 0:43:09.600 --> 0:43:15.270 a stand. Uh, pastor in New York recently said at 0:43:15.300 --> 0:43:17.880 a at a rally for the Jewish people and opposing 0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:21.450 anti-Semitism when they come after the Jewish people. He wants 0:43:21.450 --> 0:43:23.670 the Jewish community to know that they'll have to come 0:43:23.670 --> 0:43:26.190 through our church. Amen. Yeah. We're going to be we're 0:43:26.190 --> 0:43:28.560 going to be there with you. And I think that 0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:30.719 that is a tremendous testimony. 0:43:30.750 --> 0:43:32.250 I'm glad to hear him say it, but I hope 0:43:32.280 --> 0:43:34.680 other churches will say it and they will believe it, 0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:37.560 as opposed to just sitting on the sidelines and pretending 0:43:37.560 --> 0:43:40.500 like this doesn't really concern me. It's not important. It 0:43:40.500 --> 0:43:43.590 is biblically important. Read the book of Esther. You know, 0:43:43.620 --> 0:43:46.770 start with the book of Esther, then read Psalm 83. Yeah. 0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:47.910 Right. Right. 0:43:47.940 --> 0:43:50.700 Then go to Romans 11. Yeah. And then put some 0:43:50.700 --> 0:43:53.940 Jeremiah in there, too, and tell me what you come 0:43:53.940 --> 0:43:54.510 up with. Yeah. 0:43:54.540 --> 0:43:58.470 Jeremiah 3135 through 37. If you can measure the heavens, 0:43:58.469 --> 0:44:00.520 search out the foundations of the deep. If you can 0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:03.910 make the sun, moon and stars stop shining, only then 0:44:03.910 --> 0:44:08.020 can the people, the Jewish people, be destroyed. God will 0:44:08.020 --> 0:44:11.980 protect the Jewish people and I, I believe that, but what? 0:44:12.010 --> 0:44:14.620 Who does he want to use to protect them? You 0:44:14.620 --> 0:44:18.460 and me. Schools like Moody and Colorado Christian University. I 0:44:18.460 --> 0:44:22.210 think that that is is truly what it's about. And 0:44:22.210 --> 0:44:24.730 by the way, I want to commend you. I you 0:44:24.730 --> 0:44:27.730 wrote to me and you said that Colorado Christian University 0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:33.520 has established a course in history of anti-Semitism. That's what 0:44:33.550 --> 0:44:35.740 a great school. I'm so great. And I think that 0:44:35.739 --> 0:44:38.800 was a kind of promoted. And of course, we've been 0:44:38.800 --> 0:44:41.319 teaching Jewish studies at Moody for 102 years. But I 0:44:41.350 --> 0:44:44.710 am so grateful that Colorado Christian, a student there, can 0:44:44.710 --> 0:44:48.520 take a course in history and its history as fact. Yeah. Uh, 0:44:48.520 --> 0:44:50.830 not not narratives, you know. 0:44:50.860 --> 0:44:53.020 Right. And there are actually a lot of courses, you know, 0:44:53.050 --> 0:44:56.680 they have to study the Old Testament, the Hebrew Scriptures, um, 0:44:56.680 --> 0:45:00.800 they will have opportunities to study. I mean, they have 0:45:00.800 --> 0:45:03.950 to study the Holocaust. They just have to. Oh, yeah. 0:45:03.980 --> 0:45:07.580 You know, the most important theological issue of the 20th century, 0:45:07.580 --> 0:45:10.520 I believe, is the Holocaust. And, you know, one of 0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:13.250 the things I've been doing now for 30 years at 0:45:13.250 --> 0:45:17.390 Moody is teaching a course called Holocaust. The Holocaust History 0:45:17.390 --> 0:45:18.650 and the Crisis of Evil. 0:45:18.650 --> 0:45:20.779 And I want to take that course. 0:45:21.230 --> 0:45:25.100 Well, you know, I'll give you the zoom link. I'm 0:45:25.100 --> 0:45:28.370 teaching it this semester. And, you know, it's such an 0:45:28.370 --> 0:45:31.730 important course. And what I'm amazed about and so grateful 0:45:31.730 --> 0:45:34.970 to moody students. It's always full. Yeah. You know, students 0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:37.460 not in Jewish studies are taking it as their theology 0:45:37.460 --> 0:45:40.340 elective or just squeezing it in as best they could. 0:45:40.370 --> 0:45:42.920 So I think there's going to be a an awakening 0:45:42.920 --> 0:45:45.350 in the future of the church to the importance of 0:45:45.350 --> 0:45:47.840 Israel and the Jewish people. It hasn't happened yet, but 0:45:47.840 --> 0:45:48.980 I think it's coming. 0:45:49.010 --> 0:45:51.470 Yeah, I agree with you. And I see it even 0:45:51.469 --> 0:45:56.180 now with the summit now, because people registered for this 0:45:56.210 --> 0:46:00.200 in really larger numbers than anyone thought. We expected this 0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:03.110 many people, some people who were talking to us said, no, 0:46:03.140 --> 0:46:05.210 I don't think you're going to get that many. But 0:46:05.210 --> 0:46:05.750 we did. 0:46:05.780 --> 0:46:06.680 Good news. 0:46:06.680 --> 0:46:10.280 Yeah. Thank you. Hey, thank you for being with me today, Don. 0:46:10.310 --> 0:46:13.580 I really appreciate it. And that was Don Sweeting, the 0:46:14.270 --> 0:46:18.169 chancellor of Colorado Christian University. I'm Michael Radonich. I'm so 0:46:18.170 --> 0:46:19.580 glad that you were here. And I want to say 0:46:19.580 --> 0:46:22.340 thanks to Chris Siegert for doing a great job as 0:46:22.340 --> 0:46:26.450 our engineer this hour. Stick around, because there's really an 0:46:26.450 --> 0:46:28.730 interesting program. We're going to talk about some people about 0:46:28.730 --> 0:46:31.940 the summit and why they're here. And I think you're 0:46:31.940 --> 0:46:36.740 going to enjoy it. That's the first hour of Open 0:46:36.739 --> 0:46:39.500 Line is done, but there's a second hour coming up, 0:46:39.500 --> 0:46:43.250 so don't miss it. Keep reading, keep reading, keep listening. 0:46:43.250 --> 0:46:45.860 We're going to talk about Israel and the Jewish people. 0:46:45.890 --> 0:46:48.770 Open line with Doctor Michael Radonich is a production of 0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:52.820 Moody Radio, a ministry of Moody Bible Institute.