WEBVTT - Inside Israel—Update

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<v S1>He's just back from a trip to Israel. But he

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<v S1>wasn't touring. He was learning, observing, and a lot of

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<v S1>what he saw was, quite frankly, shocking. How profound is

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<v S1>the impact of the Hamas war on Israel? What's next

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<v S1>for the nation that Hamas and others want to destroy completely?

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<v S1>Coming up, an update from Israel, plus all the top

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<v S1>stories of the Middle East. Welcome to the land and

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<v S1>the book. It's the one hour broadcast that takes you

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<v S1>to the Holy Land and back without a passport or

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<v S1>plane ticket. Our tour guide is Doctor Charlie Dyer, who,

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<v S1>by the way, has led more than 100 actual trips

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<v S1>to Israel. And I'm John Gager. Well, Israel, of course,

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<v S1>has been in the news a lot over the past year.

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<v S1>And as we know, the Bible is jam packed with

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<v S1>end times prophecies about epic world events, the regathering of

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<v S1>the Jewish people to their ancient homeland, and and then ultimately,

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<v S1>Jesus soon returned. It is crucial for us as believers

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<v S1>to have a proper understanding of Bible prophecy. So our

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<v S1>view of the future is shaped by Scripture, not just

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<v S1>headlines from today.

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<v S2>That's right. And with this in mind, our friends at

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<v S1>And now let's take a look at current events from

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<v S1>the Middle East. Israel's war with Hamas is no longer

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<v S1>headline news, but the war is still continuing. Charlie, what

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<v S1>exactly has been happening?

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<v S2>Well, the level of intensity in that war has dropped,

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<v S2>but Israel is continuing to put pressure on Hamas by

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<v S2>attacking remaining pockets of resistance. On Monday, a barrage of

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<v S2>20 rockets was launched from Gaza against southern Israel. They

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<v S2>landed in open areas near the border but did no damage.

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<v S2>But it was a reminder that the war isn't over.

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<v S2>Israel continues to target Hamas and Islamic Jihad targets. They

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<v S2>want to keep pressure on Hamas to help secure a

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<v S2>hostage deal, but they're also continuing to search for and

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<v S2>destroy tunnels leading from Egypt to Gaza. Those are the

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<v S2>supply lines that were used to arm Hamas, and Israel

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<v S2>wants to cut off their ability to resupply. The number

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<v S2>of tunnels was far more extensive than initially thought. Some

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<v S2>believe that operation could actually take many more months to complete.

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<v S2>The next phase of the war also involves creating some

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<v S2>kind of a government alternative to Hamas. Israel is trying

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<v S2>to place Palestinians not affiliated with Hamas over some administrative functions. Meanwhile,

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<v S2>the US is trying to recruit other Arab countries to

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<v S2>participate in a post-war Gaza security force. Secretary of State

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<v S2>Blinken has said Egypt and the United Arab Emirates are

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<v S2>on board to serve as part of that force. However,

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<v S2>both conditioned their participation on plans to establish a pathway

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<v S2>to a future Palestinian state, and the UAE is also

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<v S2>demanding that the US be involved in the security force

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<v S2>in some way. There's one other item of note on

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<v S2>what's been happening in Gaza. A few months ago, the

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<v S2>UN and the International Court of Justice were accusing Israel

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<v S2>of genocide by creating a catastrophic food shortage in Gaza.

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<v S2>At the time, they claimed a full blown famine would

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<v S2>break out between March and July. Well, a new report

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<v S2>was released saying those previous assumptions were wrong. This new

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<v S2>UN linked report found no mortality data to prove famine

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<v S2>is present. The previous projection was based on wrong assumptions

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<v S2>on the amount of food entering the territory, instead of

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<v S2>decreasing the supply increased. Those earlier claims made the headlines,

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<v S2>but the new factual data debunking those claims has barely

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<v S2>been acknowledged. It's a good reminder that one of the

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<v S2>first casualties in war is the truth. Hamas has been

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<v S2>caught numerous times announcing so-called Israeli atrocities that turned out

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<v S2>to be false, but the reports were uncritically picked up

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<v S2>and broadcast by mainstream media. The level of coverage on

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<v S2>the war in Gaza is continuing to drop as the

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<v S2>press shifts its focus to other areas, but the war

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<v S2>still continuing, and Israel is still doing everything it can

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<v S2>to defeat Hamas, bring back the remaining hostages, and doing

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<v S2>so while harming as few civilians as possible. And that

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<v S2>is worth noting. Charlie, what.

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<v S1>About time frame here? Any thoughts on this? We're talking

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<v S1>about more tunnels to destroy, obviously hostage negotiations still going on.

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<v S1>What are what's the latest thinking on a time frame

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<v S1>for an end or some sort of a a stalled resolution.

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<v S2>Well, the one number that was thrown about was it

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<v S2>would take at least six months to a fully get

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<v S2>rid of all the tunnels that are leading in from

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<v S2>Egypt to Gaza. But the reality is they don't know

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<v S2>what they don't know. So that's just the best guess.

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<v S2>And it may be wildly optimistic or pessimistic.

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<v S1>Well, the conflict with Hamas may be sliding into the background,

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<v S1>but Israel's threatened conflict with Hezbollah and Iran seemed to

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<v S1>be taking its place. Is a peaceful resolution even possible,

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<v S1>or is war just simply inevitable at some point?

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<v S2>Well, war is definitely a possibility, though I wouldn't say

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<v S2>it's inevitable, though the headlines make it seem like that

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<v S2>in a speech, though, Israeli National Unity Party head Benny

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<v S2>Gantz said the Israeli Defense Force can destroy Hezbollah's military

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<v S2>capabilities in a matter of days. The former defense minister

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<v S2>did admit that Israel would pay a price in any war,

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<v S2>but the price paid by Lebanon and Hezbollah would be

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<v S2>far greater. For its part, Iran warned of obliterating Israel

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<v S2>if Israel attacks Hezbollah. It threatened to act against Israel

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<v S2>with full force and to include the full involvement of, quote,

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<v S2>all resistance fronts alluding to their allies in Iraq, Yemen

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<v S2>and Syria. Israel's foreign minister responded with his own threat,

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<v S2>saying A regime that threatens destruction deserves to be destroyed.

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<v S2>Israel's defense minister said Israel isn't looking for war but

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<v S2>is ready for it. He also said he hopes a

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<v S2>diplomatic solution could be reached. Now, the key to any

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<v S2>settlement is the implementation of UN Security Resolution 1701, which

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<v S2>created a demilitarized zone between the border and the Litani

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<v S2>River in Lebanon. This requires Hezbollah to remove its fighters

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<v S2>away from Israel's border to the north of that river.

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<v S2>This would allow the 60 to 80,000 Israeli citizens, who

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<v S2>have been displaced since October to return to their homes,

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<v S2>and it would allow Lebanese civilians who fled their homes

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<v S2>to return as well. A peaceful resolution is possible, but

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<v S2>the final decision rests with Hezbollah. One thing's for certain,

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<v S2>though Israel won't allow Hezbollah fighters to remain on their

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<v S2>border indefinitely. And a cut off time, if you will,

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<v S2>might be sometime in July or August.

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<v S1>Charlie, if you're Lebanon, you know you can't be thrilled

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<v S1>about what's happening either. What is the leverage that continues

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<v S1>to keep them from simply being reasonable?

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<v S2>Well, sadly for them, it's the fact that Hezbollah is

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<v S2>better armed than even the Lebanese army. No matter what

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<v S2>they say, they really don't have much of a voice

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<v S2>over Hezbollah because it is so well armed from Iran.

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<v S1>Story number three an archaeologist claims to have discovered evidence

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<v S1>of a Syrian army camps in Israel dating back to

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<v S1>the time of King Hezekiah. Where are these camps? How

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<v S1>reliable is the evidence and how would this discovery connect

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<v S1>to claims in the Bible?

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<v S2>You know, it's amazing. There are so many passages in

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<v S2>Second Kings 18 to 20, Isaiah 36 to 39, Second

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<v S2>Chronicles 32, and Isaiah ten. Micah one, along with others,

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<v S2>describe the invasion of Judah during the time of Hezekiah

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<v S2>by King Sennacherib of Assyria. Archaeological evidence from the ancient

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<v S2>city of Lachish matches that description, and so does a

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<v S2>relief on display in the British Museum that was originally

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<v S2>from the palace in Nineveh that depicts the Assyrian army

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<v S2>camp during its siege of Lachish. Now the camp in

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<v S2>that relief is oval shaped, and it's protected by a

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<v S2>wall with guard towers at regular intervals. So they have

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<v S2>some idea of what that camp would have looked like.

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<v S2>Using that relief, along with early photos from Israel and

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<v S2>some modern mapping techniques. Stephen Compton claims to have discovered

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<v S2>the location of the Assyrian army camps, both at Lachish

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<v S2>and just to the north of Jerusalem. If those proposed

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<v S2>sites are indeed Assyrian camps, it would be additional support

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<v S2>for the biblical accounts describing those attacks. However, I can't

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<v S2>get too excited about this announcement, at least not yet.

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<v S2>No actual excavations have been done at either site, so

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<v S2>he's basing his identification on Arabic names along with maps

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<v S2>and photos. But in the area where Lachish is located, well,

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<v S2>there are a lot of hills that would fit this description,

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<v S2>and it's not clear from the relief in the British

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<v S2>Museum that the Assyrians even put their camp on a hill. Now,

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<v S2>I believe the Assyrian camps are near Lachish, as shown

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<v S2>in that relief in the British Museum, and that they

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<v S2>were on the north side of Jerusalem, because Isaiah ten

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<v S2>says that. But, uh, the problem is right now we

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<v S2>don't know where they are. Someday his proposed locations might

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<v S2>be validated through excavations, but for right now, all we

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<v S2>can say is his proposed locations are in the right

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<v S2>general area, and that the Assyrians did indeed camp there

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<v S2>based on what the Bible says.

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<v S1>Well, six months ago, you reported on an Israeli medtech

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<v S1>company's innovative headset that could reduce delirium in ICU patients,

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<v S1>and an interim report now suggests the system is having

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<v S1>a positive impact on severely injured soldiers. So tell us

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<v S1>about this latest update from Icontrol control medical technology.

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<v S2>Yeah, this is a great story. You know, they originally

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<v S2>developed this headset as an alternative to communicate with people

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<v S2>who have ALS. But they saw an opportunity to try

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<v S2>and use it with those in ICU who are under

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<v S2>sedation and on a ventilator. And their hope was it

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<v S2>could help reduce or eliminate delirium and post-traumatic stress disorder.

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<v S2>The headset has an infrared camera that follows the eye,

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<v S2>a bone conduction earphone, and it's connected to the cloud

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<v S2>via Wi-Fi. Sedated patients are in a state of artificial sleep,

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<v S2>but the brain still works to fill in gaps, which

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<v S2>is what leads to nightmares, PTSD, and delirium. So playing

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<v S2>familiar sounds in this headset, like favorite music or hearing

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<v S2>verbal messages from the family, is what they were hoping

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<v S2>would fill in the gaps. And indeed, that's what is happening.

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<v S2>One seriously wounded patient awoke after six months in intensive

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<v S2>care and asked the nurse to listen to his favorite music,

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<v S2>which they had been playing. The innovative use of this

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<v S2>system is really having a positive impact on those in ICU.

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<v S1>And that's a look at current events from the Middle

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<v S1>East with our host, doctor Charlie Dyer. Coming up, a

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<v S1>conversation where we're going to head inside Israel with a

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<v S1>guy who's just back, fresh insights, perspectives you need to hear.

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<v S1>That's all ahead on today's edition of The Land and

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<v S1>the book. When it comes to the war with Hamas,

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<v S1>facts have ceased to matter in America. A generation that

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<v S1>claims to measure everything with science has thrown science out

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<v S1>the window. What's left is narrative, and that narrative is viciously,

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<v S1>sometimes violently, opposed to Israel. What's really going on? Troy

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<v S1>Miller of the National Religious Broadcasters was just in Israel.

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<v S1>He joins us today with fresh insights in just a

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<v S1>moment here on the land and the book. Welcome. I'm

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<v S1>John Gager, and before we join Troy, let's think about

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<v S1>ways that we can model Christ for our Jewish friends

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<v S1>and neighbors. Helping you help your Jewish friend find Yeshua

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<v S1>in the Old Testament. That's our challenge. As we sit

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<v S1>down with Michael Riedel, general editor of the Moody Handbook

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<v S1>of Messianic Prophecy. Where would you take us?

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<v S3>I would say, you know, so often people say Jesus

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<v S3>was some sort of victim. No, this was a choice

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<v S3>that the Hebrew prophets said he would make to suffer

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<v S3>for us. It says in Isaiah 50 when it talks

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<v S3>about the suffering servant, it's a first person kind of statement,

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<v S3>a poem written in the first person. He says. I

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<v S3>gave my back to those who beat me and my

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<v S3>cheeks to those who tore out my beard. I did

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<v S3>not hide my face from scorn and spitting. Isaiah 50,

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<v S3>verse six. What he is saying is, I willingly suffered.

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<v S3>I did not go to the cross as a victim.

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<v S3>It was my choice. That's what the Lord Jesus taught.

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<v S3>No man takes my life, but I lay it down willingly.

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<v S3>He gave himself for us because it was his choice.

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<v S3>He was not a victim of oppression. He was one

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<v S3>who chose. He could have called those angels to deliver him,

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<v S3>but he chose to die for us.

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<v S1>Our thanks to Michael Radiogenic, professor of Jewish studies here

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<v S1>at the Moody Bible Institute, joining us on the land

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<v S1>and the book. Troy Miller is president and CEO of

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<v S1>the National Religious Broadcasters. He's enjoyed a distinguished and varied career,

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<v S1>including 15 years with the US Navy. He worked for

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<v S1>Personal Computer Gateway Incorporated for ten years, was involved in

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<v S1>leading several business start ups, including Gateway's expansion into Europe

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<v S1>and Asia. Troy has also served as the executive vice

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<v S1>president and chief operating officer for James Kennedy Ministries. And

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<v S1>as I mentioned earlier, he recently returned from a trip

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<v S1>to Israel, which is the focus of today's conversation. Hey,

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<v S1>welcome to the land and the book, Troy.

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<v S4>Thanks, John. I'm glad to be with you.

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<v S1>So what was the nature of your visit to Israel?

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<v S4>So we took a group of Christian communicators, uh, people

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<v S4>that were in Christian media over for what we called

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<v S4>a solidarity and fact finding tour. We were able to

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<v S4>meet with a number of officials and a number of

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<v S4>organizations while we were there, to really get a good

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<v S4>perspective of what's going on in Israel today with the

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<v S4>war on Hamas, and also what's going on in the

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<v S4>northern border with Hezbollah. So that was kind of the

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<v S4>whole gist of our mission. But we also met with

0:14:06.830 --> 0:14:09.380
<v S4>a number of religious leaders so that we could show

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<v S4>the solidarity that Christians have for Israel and for our

0:14:13.130 --> 0:14:15.349
<v S4>brothers and sisters there. As you know, there's a lot

0:14:15.350 --> 0:14:17.690
<v S4>of opposition going on in the U.S. right now. And

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<v S4>so that was an important message we wanted to bring.

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<v S1>Well, you did a lot of walking, a lot of touring.

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<v S1>Tell me about an experience you had that felt like

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<v S1>a kick in the stomach. What comes to mind?

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<v S4>Yeah, I think the two biggest kicks in the stomach

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<v S4>that we had one. We visited the Nova music Festival

0:14:34.910 --> 0:14:39.050
<v S4>grounds and were able to talk to a few survivors.

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<v S4>And when you really understand what happened on that music grounds,

0:14:43.700 --> 0:14:47.330
<v S4>that festival there, it really is just heart wrenching for

0:14:47.330 --> 0:14:51.530
<v S4>you to understand that these young kids woke up that morning,

0:14:51.530 --> 0:14:54.710
<v S4>they were listening to music. They were getting ready to

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<v S4>kind of head home for the day. And then they

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<v S4>heard the sirens. But the sirens quickly turned into gunfire.

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<v S4>And just the horrific events there, and the number of

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<v S4>young adults that lost their lives, that had promising lives.

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<v S4>It's just a heartache. Just gut wrenching, as you said.

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<v S1>National Religious Broadcasters President and CEO Troy Miller is just

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<v S1>back from a trip to Israel, and we appreciate his

0:15:19.620 --> 0:15:22.920
<v S1>updates today on the land. And the book. Sounds like

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<v S1>traveling to Israel right now in particular, is a whole

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<v S1>lot different than talking about Israel, particularly the way the

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<v S1>mainstream media has covered the current war. What are your thoughts?

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<v S4>Oh, absolutely. The mainstream media, somehow I don't I'm not

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<v S4>sure how has turned Israel into, you know, the enemy here,

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<v S4>as if Israel was the perpetrator on October 7th and

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<v S4>has forgotten that that it was Hamas who launched this

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<v S4>horrific attack on these very peaceful and for the most part,

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<v S4>very liberal communities that were down in the South. A

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<v S4>lot of these communities were working very hard on the

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<v S4>behalf of Palestinians and Palestinian citizens, trying to employ them,

0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:11.900
<v S4>educate them, help them get medical coverage. Just a number

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<v S4>of things there. And those are messages that the mainstream

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<v S4>media is just not talking about. And also the fact,

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<v S4>you know, just as, uh, not too long after we

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<v S4>got back, Israel, you know, rescued four hostages. Two of

0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:30.260
<v S4>those hostages were being held by Palestinian civilians. They weren't

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<v S4>being held by, you know, the Hamas militants, the terrorists,

0:16:33.310 --> 0:16:36.010
<v S4>they were being held by civilians. And this is just

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<v S4>a message that mainstream media is not reporting. And they're

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<v S4>also not reporting, John, on what's going on on the

0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:45.910
<v S4>northern border. Until recently, Hezbollah on the northern border has

0:16:45.910 --> 0:16:50.050
<v S4>launched well over a thousand rocket attacks into Israel. And

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<v S4>so there's a lot going on in Israel that we

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<v S4>want people to be aware of.

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<v S1>Troy, the question is why? What's the payoff? What's the

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<v S1>pressure point that is creating this kind of false reporting?

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<v S4>Well, I think it just falls in line with the

0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:09.180
<v S4>problem we have here in the U.S., the indoctrination on

0:17:09.180 --> 0:17:12.690
<v S4>critical race theory and intersectionality and some of these things

0:17:12.690 --> 0:17:15.929
<v S4>that have been taught in these colleges and universities. And

0:17:15.930 --> 0:17:20.420
<v S4>now they see Israel, you know, portrayed Israel as the aggressor,

0:17:20.420 --> 0:17:23.930
<v S4>as the evil in this, as the colonial power. And

0:17:23.930 --> 0:17:26.720
<v S4>people don't realize that, you know, the land that God

0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:29.420
<v S4>gave Israel way back, all the way back that he

0:17:29.420 --> 0:17:33.980
<v S4>promised Abraham. Jews have been in that land continuously. There

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<v S4>has never been a time where the Jewish people have

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<v S4>not been in the land. There's been a remnant. Of course,

0:17:39.530 --> 0:17:42.380
<v S4>we know there's a dispersion, but the Jewish people were

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<v S4>there long before 1948, before Israel was declared a state.

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<v S4>And I think that it just fits into this socialist

0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:53.630
<v S4>Marxist indoctrination that they're doing, and they don't know how

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<v S4>to back away from it now. We met with some

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<v S4>protesters and people who, like those who deny the Holocaust,

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<v S4>were even denying that October 7th even happened in Israel,

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<v S4>and that it's just the narrative there is really, really

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<v S4>hard to understand.

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<v S1>Well, if you joined us midstream, this is the Land

0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:14.600
<v S1>and the book from Moody Radio, I'm John Gager, joined

0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.270
<v S1>by Troy Miller, who is president of the National Religious

0:18:17.270 --> 0:18:20.960
<v S1>Broadcasters here in the US. Troy polling has shown a

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<v S1>precipitous drop in support for Israel among young evangelicals impacted

0:18:26.090 --> 0:18:29.389
<v S1>by both social media and their peers over the images

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<v S1>coming from Gaza. So how do you suggest we counteract

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<v S1>all of this?

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<v S4>It's a topic that pastors and leaders, elders and churches

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<v S4>need to talk about and Christian media is talking about.

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<v S4>And I'm so glad that you're covering this topic today.

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<v S4>And we really need to get Christian influencers on these

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<v S4>social media platforms, particularly TikTok, where the young adults, young

0:18:50.790 --> 0:18:55.670
<v S4>evangelicals really get their information from and communicate the truth

0:18:55.670 --> 0:18:58.580
<v S4>about what's really going on in Israel and what's really

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<v S4>behind these attacks, and the fact that Hamas really simply

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<v S4>wants the elimination of the Jewish people in the Middle East.

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<v S1>Well, one bright spot in this discussion. You've observed that

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<v S1>when American students who have a strong faith based background,

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<v S1>when they're presented with the full picture, they're more inclined

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<v S1>to be supportive of Israel than their secular counterparts. Give

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<v S1>us a story or example here.

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<v S5>Yes.

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<v S4>So my daughter actually went out to the University of

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<v S4>California with Concerned Women of America to march on behalf

0:19:31.090 --> 0:19:33.760
<v S4>of Israel, and they were able to meet some of

0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:36.850
<v S4>the protesters, and particularly some of the protesters who were

0:19:36.850 --> 0:19:40.450
<v S4>Christians out there and have these dialogues, have a conversation

0:19:40.450 --> 0:19:44.320
<v S4>and talk about, okay, here's what happened October 7th. Here's

0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:48.100
<v S4>what Israel's facing. Did you know that Israel has given

0:19:48.100 --> 0:19:52.870
<v S4>the Palestinian people complete autonomy to run their cities and

0:19:52.869 --> 0:19:56.320
<v S4>to run their areas? And as she had those conversations,

0:19:56.320 --> 0:20:00.730
<v S4>she found out that very quickly the evangelical students said, oh,

0:20:00.730 --> 0:20:03.340
<v S4>we didn't know any of that. The Christians that were

0:20:03.340 --> 0:20:06.190
<v S4>there marching on behalf of Palestine. So we didn't really

0:20:06.190 --> 0:20:08.700
<v S4>realize any of that. And she said several of them

0:20:08.700 --> 0:20:10.530
<v S4>just walked away from the protest.

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<v S1>Mm. That's great. Hey, let's talk a bit more about

0:20:13.140 --> 0:20:18.000
<v S1>the anti-Semitic wave that's rolling over college campuses. You've written

0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:21.659
<v S1>the actions of an extremist minority on college campuses across

0:20:21.660 --> 0:20:24.960
<v S1>the United States have created a backlash that is bringing

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<v S1>Christians and Jews together against the woke driven, anti-Israel ideology

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<v S1>permeating the mainstream media. Give us an example of this

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<v S1>coming together.

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<v S5>Yeah.

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<v S4>So again, look at my daughter. You know, she's 23

0:20:38.550 --> 0:20:42.810
<v S4>years old. She flies out to California to go and

0:20:42.810 --> 0:20:46.620
<v S4>rally on behalf of the Jewish and Israeli students at

0:20:46.619 --> 0:20:49.770
<v S4>the University of Southern California. And we also saw this

0:20:49.770 --> 0:20:54.030
<v S4>down at many of the southern universities, University of Mississippi,

0:20:54.030 --> 0:20:56.500
<v S4>where there was a march down there by a number

0:20:56.500 --> 0:21:01.600
<v S4>of anti-Israeli march, a pro-Palestinian march and a group from

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<v S4>one of the Christian student bodies was a group that

0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:07.540
<v S4>helped surround some of the monuments so that they could

0:21:07.540 --> 0:21:10.720
<v S4>not be defaced. And these are groups that are groups

0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:15.220
<v S4>across this country that have volunteered to escort Jewish students

0:21:15.220 --> 0:21:19.360
<v S4>to their classes. And these are predominantly Christian groups. These

0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:23.380
<v S4>are predominantly young Christian adults who come alongside their Jewish

0:21:23.380 --> 0:21:27.340
<v S4>brothers and sisters on the campuses to show that solidarity

0:21:27.340 --> 0:21:30.130
<v S4>and protect them. And that is really, as you said,

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<v S4>that's a really hopeful thing that we're actually seeing Christians

0:21:33.340 --> 0:21:37.389
<v S4>stand up today and protect our Jewish brothers and sisters.

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<v S1>What's happening now in Israel and how it's being portrayed

0:21:41.260 --> 0:21:44.310
<v S1>here in America. That's our focus on the land and

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<v S1>the book as we dialogue today with Troy Miller, president

0:21:47.369 --> 0:21:51.389
<v S1>of the National Religious Broadcasters, just back from Israel, it

0:21:51.390 --> 0:21:54.060
<v S1>feels very much like Israel has just plain lost the

0:21:54.060 --> 0:21:57.300
<v S1>media war. At least, you know, in the mainstream media.

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<v S1>How can we take seriously though, the claim of genocide

0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:04.830
<v S1>against Israel when the Hamas charter talks specifically about the

0:22:04.830 --> 0:22:08.209
<v S1>destruction of Israel? Why does this get no mention, no

0:22:08.210 --> 0:22:10.639
<v S1>traction in the media? And what can believers do to

0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:11.510
<v S1>change that?

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<v S4>Look, the mainstream media has a message that they want

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<v S4>to send out. And I think we're seeing this today,

0:22:17.510 --> 0:22:21.830
<v S4>as we've seen a lot of these anti-Israel pro-Palestinian marches

0:22:21.830 --> 0:22:26.780
<v S4>really morph into anti-American marches. And even in some cases,

0:22:26.780 --> 0:22:29.899
<v S4>some of these marches have called, you know, for violence

0:22:29.900 --> 0:22:31.760
<v S4>on Christians. And I think one of the things that

0:22:31.790 --> 0:22:35.149
<v S4>Christian media can do is Christian media needs to keep

0:22:35.150 --> 0:22:39.080
<v S4>reminding people of the truth, and especially us as Christians,

0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:42.260
<v S4>we understand, we look in our Bible, we can read

0:22:42.260 --> 0:22:45.350
<v S4>from Exodus, we can read the promises that were made

0:22:45.350 --> 0:22:49.909
<v S4>to Abraham in Genesis. We can read Joshua's conquest. And

0:22:49.910 --> 0:22:52.370
<v S4>we understand that the land that God, this is the

0:22:52.369 --> 0:22:55.430
<v S4>creator of the universe. He carved out this one place

0:22:55.430 --> 0:22:57.699
<v S4>of all the earth. God took this land and carved

0:22:57.700 --> 0:23:00.159
<v S4>it out for his people. And so one of the

0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:03.730
<v S4>initiatives that we've launched also is an initiative called Keep

0:23:03.730 --> 0:23:06.550
<v S4>God's Land, which is we change the rhetoric and we

0:23:06.550 --> 0:23:08.800
<v S4>don't talk about things like the West Bank. There is

0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:10.780
<v S4>no such thing as a West Bank. That's a made

0:23:10.780 --> 0:23:14.169
<v S4>up term. This land is Judea and Samaria. This is

0:23:14.170 --> 0:23:17.140
<v S4>the land that Christ walked himself in. And this was

0:23:17.140 --> 0:23:19.570
<v S4>the land that was given to the Jewish people. And

0:23:19.570 --> 0:23:21.690
<v S4>so we need to keep that narrative going. You know,

0:23:21.690 --> 0:23:24.060
<v S4>so many young people can't even name when they chant

0:23:24.060 --> 0:23:26.010
<v S4>from the river to the sea. They can't even name

0:23:26.010 --> 0:23:28.680
<v S4>the river. They don't even understand what's going on there.

0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:31.680
<v S4>And as you said, we don't talk enough about Hamas,

0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:34.470
<v S4>who recently just got on. The Hamas leader who's in

0:23:34.470 --> 0:23:37.950
<v S4>Qatar recently just got on the the mainstream media, got

0:23:37.980 --> 0:23:42.330
<v S4>on Al Jazeera and called for the elimination of all

0:23:42.330 --> 0:23:46.040
<v S4>homosexuals across the Middle East, and talked about how there's

0:23:46.040 --> 0:23:50.090
<v S4>no repentance for that. And that's the difference between Christianity

0:23:50.090 --> 0:23:54.680
<v S4>and radical Islam. We understand that God forgives, there is repentance.

0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:57.350
<v S4>There is a way back to Christ, has paid the

0:23:57.350 --> 0:24:01.070
<v S4>penalty for our sins, and we need to talk more

0:24:01.070 --> 0:24:03.320
<v S4>about that. As a church, we need to talk about

0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:05.930
<v S4>this is God's land, and we need to talk about

0:24:05.930 --> 0:24:09.820
<v S4>really the difference that's going on here between Islam, Judaism

0:24:09.820 --> 0:24:10.990
<v S4>and Christianity.

0:24:11.020 --> 0:24:14.050
<v S1>Troy, I read a Pew Research report, This is fresh,

0:24:14.050 --> 0:24:17.650
<v S1>in which people were asked about speech that supports Israel's

0:24:17.650 --> 0:24:21.369
<v S1>right to exist, among other questions. Should that type of

0:24:21.369 --> 0:24:24.940
<v S1>speech be allowed, meaning Israel's right to exist? Should that

0:24:24.940 --> 0:24:30.129
<v S1>be allowed? Get this 7% of Americans said no and 21%

0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:34.630
<v S1>were unsure. Why are we not more outraged by this

0:24:34.630 --> 0:24:38.260
<v S1>apparent desire to shut down even speech about these things?

0:24:38.859 --> 0:24:40.420
<v S5>Yeah, well, look.

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<v S4>We should be completely outraged that we can't talk about

0:24:43.990 --> 0:24:47.109
<v S4>something as simple as the right for the Israeli state

0:24:47.109 --> 0:24:50.170
<v S4>to exist, a right that was given to them in 1948,

0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:53.140
<v S4>a right that has been there, as we said, from

0:24:53.140 --> 0:24:56.490
<v S4>God from the beginning. And this is very indicative of

0:24:56.490 --> 0:24:59.880
<v S4>what's going on in society today. We see the weaponization

0:24:59.880 --> 0:25:03.479
<v S4>of the mainstream media. Mainstream media today is not media.

0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:08.970
<v S4>They're a propaganda generation, factories generating factories that are out there.

0:25:08.970 --> 0:25:12.300
<v S4>And we see this weaponization of the government. And I

0:25:12.300 --> 0:25:14.940
<v S4>think people I really would hope that people would have

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<v S4>a bigger backlash to this after the whole Covid pandemic mess,

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<v S4>where we found out that so much of what they

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<v S4>called misinformation really turned out to be real information. And today,

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<v S4>I don't know why we don't, but we need our

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<v S4>pastors need to talk about the value of our First

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<v S4>Amendment rights, our God given rights. The values that the

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<v S4>Founding Fathers understood were rights given to us not by

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<v S4>the government, but given to us by our creator.

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<v S1>National Religious broadcasters. Broadcasters President and CEO Troy Miller has

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<v S1>joined us today on the land and the book. We're

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<v S1>up next. Charlie Dyer takes a look at your questions.

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<v S1>I'm looking forward to what's puzzling you on the land

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<v S1>and the book. Hope your day is going well. This

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<v S1>is the land and the book from Moody Radio with

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<v S1>our host, Charlie Dyer. I'm John Gager, and this is

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<v S1>segment three, Bible Questions and Answers. We have a great

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<v S1>time because it's not us doing the scripting, the asking,

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<v S1>it's you. The questions are all yours. They're all real.

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<v S1>They come to us via email at The Land and

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<v S1>the book@moody.edu. You know, Charlie Israel has been in the

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<v S1>news a lot over the past year and as we know,

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<v S1>the Bible is jam packed with end times prophecies about

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<v S1>epic world events, the regathering of the Jewish people to

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<v S1>their ancient homeland, and Jesus return. It's crucial for us, though,

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<v S1>as believers, to have a proper understanding of Bible prophecy.

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<v S1>So our view of the future is shaped by Scripture, right?

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<v S1>Not today's headlines.

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<v S1>All right. Thank you. Charlie. Let's dig into our first question.

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<v S1>This one from Sue she says, is time one of

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<v S1>God's attributes or did he create time? And if he

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<v S1>created time, when did he do so? Is God just

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<v S1>present in this moment or does he simultaneously exist in

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<v S1>the past, present, and future? How does God see the future? Yeah, I.

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<v S2>Don't see time as being an attribute of God. A

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<v S2>time seems to be a function of the created order.

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<v S2>It's a property of creation, kind of like the second

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<v S2>law of thermodynamics or the speed of light. You know,

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<v S2>passages like Psalm 90 put God outside the created order.

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<v S2>It says there before the mountains were born, or you

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<v S2>brought forth the whole earth from everlasting to everlasting, your God.

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<v S2>That Psalm also describes, I think, in poetic fashion, how

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<v S2>God's view of time is so vastly different than ours.

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<v S2>It says A thousand years in your sight are like

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<v S2>a day that's just gone by, or like a watch

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<v S2>in the night. Now, in terms of God's relationship to time,

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<v S2>I like what God himself said in Isaiah 46. He says,

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<v S2>remember the former things those of long ago I'm God,

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<v S2>there is no other. I'm God, there's none like me.

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<v S2>I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times.

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<v S2>What is still to come. So trying to determine how

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<v S2>time relates to God, at least to me, seems to

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<v S2>be irrelevant since time itself, past, present, future exists within

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<v S2>the plan he designed before time, as we even understand it, began.

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<v S2>One last passage though it's from the New Testament. First

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<v S2>Timothy one nine. There Paul describes God's gracious plan of

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<v S2>salvation through his son. He says it was given in

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<v S2>Christ Jesus before the beginning of time. Literally. It says

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<v S2>before time eternal. We might say before the eons of time.

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<v S2>But the key here is that this was before those

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<v S2>eons of time even began. God was there, and he

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<v S2>had a plan prior to the foundation of time itself.

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<v S1>Interesting. Robin takes us to Romans 826, which says, the

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<v S1>Holy Spirit intercedes for us. But verse 34 says, Jesus

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<v S1>Christ intercedes for us. Now how are these two roles

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<v S1>similar and or different?

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<v S2>Well, I see them as complementary, you know, in verses

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<v S2>22 to 28. In that section, Paul uses three forms

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<v S2>of a word for groan or groaning. In verse 22,

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<v S2>the whole creation groans together. In verse 23, we groan

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<v S2>within ourselves, and then in verse 26, the spirit intercedes

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<v S2>for us, he says with groanings that words can't express.

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<v S2>His point here is that the world around us is

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<v S2>full of struggles. We experience struggles as well. And he

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<v S2>says in verse 26, the spirit comes to our aid

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<v S2>by taking all the prayer concerns we struggle over and

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<v S2>bringing them to God the Father with an intensity with

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<v S2>groanings that we can't even begin to imagine. And he

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<v S2>does it in accordance with God's will. So as a result,

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<v S2>we have confidence God will work all things together for

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<v S2>the good of those who love him. Because of the

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<v S2>role of the spirit in praying for us and taking

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<v S2>our feeble prayers and translating them into those powerful and

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<v S2>passionate words that align with God's will. Now the second part,

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<v S2>verses 31 to 35. The focus isn't on prayer, but

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<v S2>it's on the issue of our acceptance by God. And

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<v S2>he says, no charge can be made against us that

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<v S2>can stand because God has predestined, called, justified and glorified us.

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<v S2>And we know that because God gave His Son to

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<v S2>pay the penalty for our sin. So Paul's arguing from

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<v S2>the greater to the lesser. If if God already has

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<v S2>given us his son, won't he also meet all our

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<v S2>other needs by his grace? And then he says, how

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<v S2>can charges be made against us since God justifies us?

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<v S2>Christ died for us, was raised from the dead, and

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<v S2>intercedes for us. And now in those verses, the intercession

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<v S2>isn't focused on answering prayer, but on answering any objections

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<v S2>someone might raise about our salvation.

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<v S1>Questions and answers. With Charlie and John here on the

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<v S1>land and the book. Charlie's answering those questions. I get

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<v S1>to ask your questions, and that's kind of fun. Here's

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<v S1>one from Joe, she says, considering the great importance that

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<v S1>the tabernacle and temple sacrifices had for the Jewish people,

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<v S1>how did they transition out of all that? A ritual

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<v S1>that was so incredibly significant?

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<v S2>Well, from a human perspective, the sacrifices and temple system

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<v S2>ceased because the temple was destroyed by the Romans in

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<v S2>AD 70. In Deuteronomy 12, God gave specific requirements on

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<v S2>where they were to offer their sacrifices. He says, you

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<v S2>can't just choose any place. You've got to go to

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<v S2>the one which your Lord, your God will choose. So

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<v S2>initially the tabernacle was set up at Shiloh. That's the

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<v S2>place chosen by God. But then it became Jerusalem when

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<v S2>Solomon's Temple was built. There are Jewish individuals today who

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<v S2>believe they need to rebuild the temple now, since they're

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<v S2>back in the land. But until a new temple is built,

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<v S2>they're prohibited from offering sacrifices and performing those other rituals.

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<v S1>From Brian this question some Christians believe that nations should

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<v S1>be non-resistant and never enter a war. Others think we

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<v S1>shouldn't start one but have a right to defend ourselves

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<v S1>and or other nations. Still, others might feel Christians shouldn't fight,

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<v S1>but it's all right for non-Christians to fight. What can

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<v S1>we conclude from Scripture?

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<v S2>Yeah, and this is one where I've got to watch

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<v S2>very carefully, because to fit everything in, I could go

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<v S2>a mile a minute speaking. So I want to try

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<v S2>and speak slowly, but we're going to cover a lot

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<v S2>of ground because good and godly people do disagree. So

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<v S2>I'm going to offend some listeners and what I'm going

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<v S2>to say. and it's my opinion. And here's what I

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<v S2>believe the Bible teaches. So if you don't like it

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<v S2>I'm sorry, but God does prohibit murder. We can all

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<v S2>agree on that. That's the intentional taking of an innocent life.

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<v S2>That's the sixth commandment thou shalt not kill. But second,

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<v S2>I don't believe that command is intended to be absolute

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<v S2>without exception. In this sense, in Genesis nine six, God

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<v S2>established capital punishment for deliberate murder. Whoever sheds the blood

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<v S2>of man by man shall his blood be shed. For

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<v S2>in the image of God, God has made him. A

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<v S2>human life is to be held sacred, and the penalty

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<v S2>for deliberately taking a human life for committing murder is

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<v S2>the forfeiture of the life of the one who commits

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<v S2>that murder. Now that principle is repeated in both the

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<v S2>Old and New Testaments. In Leviticus 2417, God said, if

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<v S2>anyone takes the life of a human being, he must

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<v S2>be put to death. And in Romans 13, verses three

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<v S2>and four, Paul said, you know, rulers don't hold terror

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<v S2>for those who do, right? But if you do wrong,

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<v S2>you do because he's God's servant to do you good

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<v S2>if you do right. But he's an agent of wrath

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<v S2>to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. You know, God did

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<v S2>establish capital punishment to judge those who commit murder. I

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<v S2>go beyond that. Third. I believe God provides human government

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<v S2>to help hold evil in check. And a legitimate role

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<v S2>of government is to provide safety for its citizens. And

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<v S2>sometimes that includes going to war. A God sent Israel

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<v S2>to war on multiple occasions. Now how does that impact believers?

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<v S2>Here's the bottom line. I think this is where it

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<v S2>becomes a matter of personal conviction. Can a believer join

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<v S2>the military and fight for his country? I believe that's

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<v S2>possible if the individual understands the differences between not seeking vengeance,

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<v S2>but seeking to promote justice and national protection. Uh, the

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<v S2>same thing is true for someone serving as a police officer,

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<v S2>in the sense that they're given authority by the state

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<v S2>to maintain order and help bring lawbreakers to justice. And

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<v S2>at times, that includes the power to take the life

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<v S2>of someone threatening others. Does a Christian have a right

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<v S2>to defend himself or herself or others if attacked? Well,

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<v S2>Psalm 82 says, we're to defend the cause of the

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<v S2>weak and fatherless, maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed,

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<v S2>rescue the weak and needy, deliver them from the hand

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<v S2>of the wicked. And that suggests to me we can

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<v S2>step in to defend those being attacked. But how about us?

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<v S2>How does this impact us if we're the one being attacked?

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<v S2>And the answer depends on how we take passages like

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<v S2>Jesus's words in Matthew five. You've heard it was said,

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<v S2>an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

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<v S2>But I say, do not resist an evil person. If

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<v S2>someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him

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<v S2>the other also. So as you can see, there isn't

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<v S2>one simple answer, but what I would encourage you to

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<v S2>do is study all those different passages and ask the

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<v S2>Lord to give you wisdom to know how he wants

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<v S2>you to respond in a way that best honors him. Huh?

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<v S1>What a complex question and a great answer. Thank you. Charlie.

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<v S1>Stan says that my men's Bible study last week, somebody

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<v S1>mentioned that Jesus will be the only one in heaven

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<v S1>with scars on his eternal body as a result of

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<v S1>the crucifixion. They support this view with revelation five verse six,

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<v S1>where Jesus is represented as a lamb looking as if

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<v S1>it had been slain. Also, Jesus had nail and spear

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<v S1>marks when he appeared to Thomas after the resurrection. I'm

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<v S1>not sure I agree with this position. What are your thoughts?

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<v S2>Well, I see two separate questions here, so let me

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<v S2>answer each one first. Does Jesus bear the marks of

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<v S2>his crucifixion in his resurrection body? And the Bible says

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<v S2>he does. In fact, you you referenced Jesus's post-resurrection encounter

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<v S2>with Thomas. That's in John chapter 20, where he mentions

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<v S2>the imprint of the nails in Jesus's hands and the

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<v S2>wound in his side. So I do see that. Now.

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<v S2>The second question, though, is whether Jesus will be the

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<v S2>only one with identifiable marks on the resurrection body. And

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<v S2>as far as I can see, we're simply not told

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<v S2>we must be identifiable in some way in our new bodies,

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<v S2>but we're not told what those identifiable characteristics might be.

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<v S2>This is a case, I think, where we need to rest.

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<v S2>In Paul's words in first Corinthians 15, you know, he

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<v S2>talked about some are wondering, how will the dead be raised,

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<v S2>what kind of body will they have? And he says,

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<v S2>the body that's sown is perishable, it's raised imperishable. It's

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<v S2>sown in dishonor, raised in glory, sown in weakness, raised

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<v S2>in power, sown a natural body, raised a spiritual body.

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<v S2>Beyond his general description, we really don't know exactly what

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<v S2>our new bodies are going to be like, but whatever

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<v S2>they are, I think they're going to be pretty amazing

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<v S2>and I think we'll be pleased with them.

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<v S1>And that's an amazing set of questions that have come

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<v S1>our way. Yours. Welcome. Any time when you email us

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<v S1>at The Land and the book@moody.edu. Hey, Charlie Dyer's devotional

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<v S1>is next. It's going to be great right here. Welcome

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<v S1>back to the land and the book. I'm John Gager asking,

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<v S1>don't you love a great coincidence? I've got one for you.

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<v S1>This morning in my Bible study time, I was reading

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<v S1>through Proverbs eight, and now I find out. Charlie, you're

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<v S1>about to take us to Proverbs 14. Is that.

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<v S2>Correct? That's right.

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<v S1>John, and we've titled this devotional What is Versus What

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<v S1>Should Be? That's an interesting title. We'll get to the

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<v S1>content after this quick Holy Land experience moment. Let's give

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<v S1>it a listen.

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<v S6>My name is Nita Tin and I was on the

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<v S6>Moody tour and it was such a wonderful experience. If

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<v S6>you want to get closer to the Lord, what better

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<v S6>place than to come to where he walked? And as

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<v S6>I think of the song I walked today where Jesus walked,

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<v S6>that became so real. And just reading the Bible is

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<v S6>going to make it so different. Just because you've been

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<v S6>there in the land where Jesus was and, uh, especially

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<v S6>for me, was, um, where Jesus was in the Garden

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<v S6>of Gethsemane and where he cried, not my will, but

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<v S6>thine be done. And that was so special to me

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<v S6>because of what he has done for me and how

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<v S6>he has saved me.

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<v S1>Boy, it just no end to the different reactions to

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<v S1>what people encounter as they travel to Israel. Thank you

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<v S1>for sharing that. Well, I'm looking forward to this discussion.

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<v S1>Charlie Solomon in the book of Proverbs. That's a great

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<v S1>place to be.

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<v S2>It is. And that's where we're going to spend the

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<v S2>month of July. Now, one of my all time favorite musicals, John,

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<v S2>is Fiddler on the roof. The story itself is full

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<v S2>of pathos, and the songs evoke the emotions experienced by

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<v S2>the different characters. You know? For example, in the movie version,

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<v S2>Tevye is in the barn feeding his animals. When he turned,

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<v S2>he looks to heaven and says in a tired prayer, Lord,

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<v S2>you made many, many poor people. I realize, of course,

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<v S2>it's no shame to be poor. And then he adds

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<v S2>as something of an afterthought. But it's no great honor either.

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<v S2>So what would have been so terrible if I had

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<v S2>a small fortune? And then he launches into if I

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<v S2>were a rich man. Now, most listening today can resonate

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<v S2>with Tevye's words, at least emotionally. I think we've all

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<v S2>felt at times how nice it would be to have

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<v S2>just a small fortune. You're not enough to rival Bill

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<v S2>Gates or Warren Buffett, but just enough to buy that

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<v S2>car or house we've always wanted, or to not get

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<v S2>stressed out at the end of each month when the

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<v S2>different bills arrive or or, well, you can finish the sentence.

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<v S2>Part of the problem is that we tend to compare

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<v S2>ourselves with those who are more well off, not against

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<v S2>those who are less fortunate. We seem to be attracted

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<v S2>to the lifestyles of the rich because it helps fuel

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<v S2>our desire to become more wealthy ourselves. And yet, compared globally,

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<v S2>most Americans are already exceptionally blessed. In a 2024 poverty

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<v S2>ranking by country in the United States, less than 2.2%

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<v S2>of the population live on less than $10 a day.

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<v S2>In Canada, it's even lower. Less than 1.2% of the

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<v S2>population live on less than $10 a day. Now compare

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<v S2>that to the 4.4 billion people in the rest of

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<v S2>the world who live on less than $10 a day,

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<v S2>or the nearly 700 million who live on less than

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<v S2>$2 per day. To help put our thinking in perspective,

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<v S2>let's pay a visit to Wise King Solomon and focus

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<v S2>on what is versus what should be, but follow along closely,

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<v S2>because the point of the story might not be what

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<v S2>you think. In Proverbs 1420, Solomon presents a sad reality

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<v S2>of life. The poor are shunned even by their neighbors,

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<v S2>but the rich have many friends. A stark reality in

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<v S2>life is that people like to hobnob with the haves

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<v S2>while trying to avoid the have nots. In Proverbs 19 seven,

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<v S2>Solomon paints an even grimmer picture. A poor man is

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<v S2>shunned by all his relatives. How much more do his

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<v S2>friends avoid him? Though he pursues them with pleading, they

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<v S2>are nowhere to be found. The Hebrew literally says, all

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<v S2>the brothers of the poor man hate him, and his

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<v S2>friends abandon him. And it's not just that this unfortunate

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<v S2>relative had slipped their mind. They actively seek to avoid him.

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<v S2>Solomon continues. Though he pursues them with pleading, they are

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<v S2>nowhere to be found. As Solomon so wisely observed in life,

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<v S2>people often try to avoid the poor, even when those

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<v S2>who are poor are relatives. Perhaps they're embarrassed, perhaps they're

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<v S2>greedy or selfish. The reasons can vary, but the end

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<v S2>result is that most prefer not to think about, be

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<v S2>associated with, or extend help to the poor. Now I

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<v S2>do need to add two crucial points. First, Solomon is

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<v S2>not preaching an ancient form of socialism, as we'll see

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<v S2>next week. Solomon also has much to say about someone

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<v S2>whose poverty is the result of laziness or idleness. Such

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<v S2>behavior wasn't to be rewarded. Solomon's words match those written

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<v S2>almost 900 years later by the Apostle Paul in Second

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<v S2>Thessalonians three. Keep away from every brother who is idle.

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<v S2>If a man will not work, he shall not eat.

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<v S2>Neither Solomon nor Paul condone supporting someone's Slothfulness the poverty

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<v S2>being pictured by Solomon isn't the result of laziness or inactivity. Rather,

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<v S2>circumstances can arise that lead to poverty. Ruth and Naomi

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<v S2>were in poverty because of a famine followed by the

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<v S2>deaths of their husbands. Job lost his wealth to a

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<v S2>satanic attack. Illness. Fire. Flood. economic calamity, war and a

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<v S2>host of other causes can lead to poverty. I believe

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<v S2>Solomon's focus in Proverbs 14 is on those who find

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<v S2>themselves in poverty, not caused by their own foolish actions.

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<v S2>And that leads to the crucial point in Proverbs. I've

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<v S2>quoted part of two proverbs that describe what is, and

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<v S2>by that I mean Solomon is picturing what is often

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<v S2>true in life. People do tend to ignore or not

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<v S2>think about those who are in poverty. But now let's

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<v S2>go back to see the other side of the coin,

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<v S2>the what should be that? Solomon also stresses in 1420.

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<v S2>Solomon said the poor are shunned even by their neighbors,

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<v S2>while the rich have many friends. But then look at

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<v S2>what he says in the very next verse. He who

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<v S2>despises his neighbor sins. But blessed is he who is

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<v S2>kind to the needy. Having pictured what might be considered

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<v S2>normal by the world, Solomon quickly adds that it is

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<v S2>not normal from God's perspective. I'm reminded of Jesus's parable

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<v S2>of the Good Samaritan, given in response to someone trying

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<v S2>to justify himself by saying, well, who is my neighbor?

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<v S2>If the second greatest command is to love your neighbor

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<v S2>as yourself, then despising and refusing to help one's truly

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<v S2>needy neighbor is indeed a sin. And the one who

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<v S2>does reach out to help receives God's blessing. In Proverbs 19,

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<v S2>Solomon does something very similar, having described how even brothers

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<v S2>and friends will abandon and shun the poor. Solomon then

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<v S2>goes on in verse 17 to say, he who is

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<v S2>kind to the poor lends to the Lord, and he

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<v S2>that is the Lord will reward him for what he

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<v S2>has done. People didn't want to lend to the poor

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<v S2>because it was almost certain they would never get repaid.

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<v S2>But Solomon turns the equation on its head in helping

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<v S2>the poor. You're not lending to them, but to the Lord.

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<v S2>And God always pays back those who lend to him.

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<v S2>It might be in this life, or it might be

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<v S2>in the life to come. But picturing a gift to

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<v S2>the poor as a loan to God puts an entirely

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<v S2>different spin on the action. So what's the practical application

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<v S2>of Solomon's wise words for us today? First, he didn't

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<v S2>write to guilt us into giving to every panhandler holding

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<v S2>up a sign at a stoplight. I like the signs

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<v S2>posted in a number of cities that say it is

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<v S2>okay to say no to panhandlers. Give instead to agencies

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<v S2>that help those in need. Your local rescue mission can

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<v S2>provide physical and spiritual help that will do far more

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<v S2>good with your contribution. A second be wise. Do you

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<v S2>personally know the circumstances that caused a family member or

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<v S2>neighbor to be in financial need? Was it caused by

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<v S2>a genuine calamity or is it the result of poor

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<v S2>or even sinful life choices? You don't want to subsidize

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<v S2>or encourage such a lifestyle, but you do want to

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<v S2>help someone with a genuine need. Finally, be as generous

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<v S2>and helpful as you can be without harming yourself or

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<v S2>your family. If you're on a fixed budget, give what

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<v S2>you can without going into poverty yourself. You can give

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<v S2>directly to an individual, but you can also give to

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<v S2>your church's assistance fund if it has one. Churches often

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<v S2>have such a fund to minister to those in the

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<v S2>congregation and community with physical needs, or give instead to

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<v S2>a ministry that focuses on providing physical and spiritual support

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<v S2>in times of need. Samaritan's purse and The Salvation Army

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<v S2>are two groups that come immediately to mind. It's a

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<v S2>reality of life that people tend to look up to

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<v S2>those with wealth and power, and to ignore those in poverty.

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<v S2>God wants us to demonstrate generosity and grace to those

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<v S2>with legitimate needs. That requires wisdom on our part. But

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<v S2>in reaching out to share with those in genuine need,

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<v S2>just remember that God views it as a loan you're

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<v S2>making to him, and he promises to someday reward your generosity.

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<v S2>And that's part of Solomon's instruction for how to live

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<v S2>life wisely.

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<v S1>I love that nudge toward generosity. Thank you Charlie, if

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