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Hi friends, this is Janet partial. 40 00:01:46,300 --> 00:01:48,380 S1: Thanks so much for choosing to spend the next hour 41 00:01:48,380 --> 00:01:51,540 S1: with us. Today's program is prerecorded so our phone lines 42 00:01:51,540 --> 00:01:53,660 S1: are not open. But thanks so much for being with 43 00:01:53,660 --> 00:01:55,300 S1: us and enjoy the broadcast. 44 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:08,400 S2: The world loudly shouts its ideas about sex. Depending on 45 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,040 S2: where you are or how you were raised. Approaches to 46 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:16,440 S2: this topic of sexuality can be wildly different. Believe it 47 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,200 S2: or not, God has a lot to say about sex 48 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:24,960 S2: and sexuality. You may have heard messages on biblical sexuality 49 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,639 S2: that go something like this don't do this, don't do that. 50 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:33,040 S2: Don't do this. These don'ts are important. But you can't 51 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:38,880 S2: build a Christian life just on God's. Know what is God's. Yes. 52 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,680 S1: Welcome to In the Market with Janet Partial. And that's 53 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,920 S1: a big fat hint. We're going to talk about sex 54 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,000 S1: this hour. I bet I have your attention now, but 55 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,040 S1: we're going to talk about it within the parameters of 56 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,119 S1: Scripture because let the record reflect, your honor. Sex was 57 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,120 S1: God's idea. Yeah, we kind of get lost in that area, 58 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,830 S1: don't we? In a place of perfection. He makes a 59 00:02:57,830 --> 00:03:00,669 S1: man and a woman. And he says, be fruitful and 60 00:03:00,669 --> 00:03:06,350 S1: multiply before sin. God created sex. And then along comes 61 00:03:06,350 --> 00:03:08,870 S1: the serpent. And ever since then, he's been rattling his tail, 62 00:03:08,870 --> 00:03:11,630 S1: telling us we can be like gods and really questioning 63 00:03:11,630 --> 00:03:14,830 S1: what God had to say. And a wide variety of topics, including, 64 00:03:15,070 --> 00:03:18,470 S1: but not limited to, human sexuality. Our teacher this hour 65 00:03:18,470 --> 00:03:20,870 S1: is going to be Doctor Christopher Yuan, who graduated from 66 00:03:20,870 --> 00:03:23,990 S1: Moody Bible Institute in 2005, went on to get a 67 00:03:23,990 --> 00:03:28,070 S1: master's in biblical exegesis and then a doctorate in ministry. 68 00:03:28,270 --> 00:03:31,350 S1: He taught the Bible at Moody Bible Institute for 12 years, 69 00:03:31,350 --> 00:03:33,950 S1: and at the same time he was teaching. His speaking 70 00:03:33,950 --> 00:03:38,750 S1: ministry was beginning to expand on five continents, speaking on 71 00:03:38,750 --> 00:03:41,550 S1: faith and sexuality, why it's very tied back to his story. 72 00:03:41,550 --> 00:03:43,830 S1: We'll get into that in a moment. He does speak 73 00:03:43,870 --> 00:03:46,870 S1: at conferences and at college campuses and in churches, and 74 00:03:46,870 --> 00:03:49,830 S1: he co-authored, along with his mom, his memoir. Her memoir, 75 00:03:49,870 --> 00:03:52,950 S1: their memoir called out of a Far Country A Gay 76 00:03:52,990 --> 00:03:55,970 S1: Son's journey to God. A broken mother searched for hope. 77 00:03:56,130 --> 00:04:00,770 S1: Over 100,000 copies were sold. It's now in eight languages. 78 00:04:00,890 --> 00:04:03,970 S1: And then his next book was called Holy Sexuality and 79 00:04:03,970 --> 00:04:09,490 S1: the Gospel Sex, Desire and Relationship shaped by God's Grand Story. 80 00:04:10,570 --> 00:04:13,530 S1: In 2002, it was named the book of the year 81 00:04:14,010 --> 00:04:17,729 S1: for Social Issues by Outreach Magazine's Outreach magazine. Out of 82 00:04:17,770 --> 00:04:22,250 S1: that then grew a new 12 lesson 36 video series 83 00:04:22,250 --> 00:04:26,570 S1: entitled The Holy Sexuality Project. You heard one tiny little 84 00:04:26,570 --> 00:04:28,609 S1: snippet as we started our program, and we're going to 85 00:04:28,610 --> 00:04:30,810 S1: break this down. We're going to talk about who the 86 00:04:30,810 --> 00:04:34,050 S1: target audience is, how this works, how you can get 87 00:04:34,050 --> 00:04:37,690 S1: involved in the Holy Sexuality Project. But at first you'd 88 00:04:37,690 --> 00:04:41,289 S1: have no interest whatsoever unless you knew somebody behind the project, 89 00:04:41,290 --> 00:04:44,450 S1: and that's Doctor Yuan himself. I hinted a little bit 90 00:04:44,450 --> 00:04:46,810 S1: based on his book titles, but there's so much more 91 00:04:46,810 --> 00:04:48,570 S1: to that story. So, Christopher, let me just give you 92 00:04:48,570 --> 00:04:50,969 S1: the warmest of welcomes. And I'm not going to presume 93 00:04:50,970 --> 00:04:53,070 S1: when you talk to people from Guam to the Cayman 94 00:04:53,070 --> 00:04:56,429 S1: Islands and a gazillion places in between that everybody knows 95 00:04:56,430 --> 00:04:59,230 S1: your story. And I think it's very profound because while 96 00:04:59,230 --> 00:05:01,550 S1: you have a whole bunch of initials after your name, 97 00:05:01,550 --> 00:05:05,510 S1: one can presume yours was strictly an academic exercise, but 98 00:05:05,510 --> 00:05:08,070 S1: it's not. And I think the most powerful witnesses out 99 00:05:08,070 --> 00:05:10,190 S1: there are people who have not only ethos, but they 100 00:05:10,190 --> 00:05:13,950 S1: have pathos. They understand an issue with both their head 101 00:05:13,950 --> 00:05:16,870 S1: and their heart, just as you do. So let's start 102 00:05:16,870 --> 00:05:18,990 S1: from the beginning and talk a little bit about your 103 00:05:18,990 --> 00:05:22,590 S1: spiritual journey and your sexual journey. Which came first? 104 00:05:22,950 --> 00:05:27,430 S2: Well, definitely, I was so lost from Christ. And so 105 00:05:27,470 --> 00:05:31,270 S2: my journey began far, far apart from Christ. I didn't 106 00:05:31,270 --> 00:05:35,349 S2: know Christ. My parents were not Christian. I wasn't raised 107 00:05:35,350 --> 00:05:38,990 S2: in a Christian home, but I wrestled with my sexuality 108 00:05:39,029 --> 00:05:40,909 S2: from a young age. So, you know, when we think 109 00:05:40,910 --> 00:05:44,830 S2: about sex and sexuality, when you don't have any framework 110 00:05:44,830 --> 00:05:48,790 S2: to understand who we are, not just about our sexual desires, 111 00:05:48,790 --> 00:05:52,130 S2: but who we are. It's so difficult to answer so 112 00:05:52,130 --> 00:05:56,050 S2: many questions, not just regarding sexuality, but answering all the 113 00:05:56,050 --> 00:05:59,089 S2: questions in the world. So as a young kid, when 114 00:05:59,089 --> 00:06:02,810 S2: I had these desires that were on chosen, I had 115 00:06:02,810 --> 00:06:07,330 S2: no framework to understand them. And unfortunately, I'm, I'm 52. 116 00:06:07,370 --> 00:06:09,410 S2: So I was raised in the 70s and 80s in 117 00:06:09,410 --> 00:06:13,450 S2: the Chicago area. And at that time, um, I, it was, 118 00:06:13,490 --> 00:06:16,610 S2: it was a stigma. Anything, um, outside and I think 119 00:06:16,610 --> 00:06:19,250 S2: that's a blessing. You know, I was raised in a 120 00:06:19,250 --> 00:06:24,210 S2: time where sexual biblical sexuality was accepted and anything outside 121 00:06:24,210 --> 00:06:27,650 S2: of that was not today, unfortunately, Janet, as, as you know, 122 00:06:27,650 --> 00:06:31,290 S2: as we know, our children are being raised in a 123 00:06:31,290 --> 00:06:35,810 S2: time where biblical sexuality is not only rejected, it's viewed 124 00:06:35,810 --> 00:06:39,930 S2: as harmful. Mhm. So I wrestled with my sexuality. It 125 00:06:39,930 --> 00:06:43,730 S2: wasn't until my late 20s or early 20s that I 126 00:06:43,890 --> 00:06:46,490 S2: finally came out of the closet. I would that was 127 00:06:46,490 --> 00:06:50,390 S2: what I would call it back then. I told my parents, 128 00:06:50,390 --> 00:06:53,110 S2: broke the news to my parents. You know, I'm from Chicago, 129 00:06:53,110 --> 00:06:56,109 S2: but I was pursuing my doctorate in dentistry at that time. 130 00:06:56,150 --> 00:06:58,790 S2: My father was a dentist, and it was then that 131 00:06:58,790 --> 00:07:01,750 S2: after a year of going to dental school, I told 132 00:07:01,750 --> 00:07:05,869 S2: my mom and dad I am gay. Devastated my mom 133 00:07:05,870 --> 00:07:08,190 S2: and dad. But this is what's so amazing at how 134 00:07:08,270 --> 00:07:11,950 S2: how God works. It was through that crisis that he 135 00:07:11,950 --> 00:07:15,110 S2: brought my mother to faith, and then my father did 136 00:07:15,110 --> 00:07:18,230 S2: as well. I went the total opposite direction, wanted nothing 137 00:07:18,230 --> 00:07:21,150 S2: to do with Christianity. And this I was just doing 138 00:07:21,150 --> 00:07:23,710 S2: what all my friends were doing. They were not believers 139 00:07:23,950 --> 00:07:27,910 S2: and I was just having fun, enjoying life. Just be happy. 140 00:07:28,270 --> 00:07:32,150 S2: I was not only partying, I was. I also began 141 00:07:32,150 --> 00:07:35,750 S2: experimenting with drugs and I started selling drugs while I 142 00:07:35,750 --> 00:07:39,590 S2: was in dental school. Eventually, I was expelled from dental 143 00:07:39,590 --> 00:07:43,350 S2: school just three months before I received my doctorate. I 144 00:07:43,350 --> 00:07:46,650 S2: moved from Louisville to Atlanta, where I kept doing what 145 00:07:46,650 --> 00:07:49,610 S2: I knew how to do best, which is have fun party. 146 00:07:50,170 --> 00:07:52,490 S2: And not only was I selling drugs, but I was 147 00:07:52,490 --> 00:07:56,090 S2: also providing drugs. And you know the interesting thing, Janet, 148 00:07:56,090 --> 00:07:57,930 S2: this whole time, my parents had no clue that I 149 00:07:57,930 --> 00:08:01,330 S2: was doing drugs. But they knew that my biggest need, 150 00:08:01,330 --> 00:08:05,250 S2: my biggest problem was to know Jesus Christ as my 151 00:08:05,250 --> 00:08:07,890 S2: Lord and Savior. They tried to reach out to me. 152 00:08:07,890 --> 00:08:10,130 S2: Love of Christ. I wanted nothing to do with it. 153 00:08:10,130 --> 00:08:12,770 S2: They came to visit me one time in Atlanta and 154 00:08:12,770 --> 00:08:15,050 S2: I told them to get to get out. And here's 155 00:08:15,050 --> 00:08:17,170 S2: the funny thing. You know, we hear the stories today, 156 00:08:17,170 --> 00:08:22,690 S2: don't we, that Christian parents cannot love their gay child. 157 00:08:22,690 --> 00:08:26,410 S2: They have to get rid of that old ancient belief, 158 00:08:26,410 --> 00:08:31,450 S2: those myths to, to actually love their gay or quote 159 00:08:31,450 --> 00:08:37,410 S2: unquote transgender child. I had the exact opposite experience. Janet. My, 160 00:08:37,490 --> 00:08:40,090 S2: my parents were not Christian. They couldn't accept me. It 161 00:08:40,090 --> 00:08:43,809 S2: wasn't until they became followers of Christ that they knew 162 00:08:43,850 --> 00:08:46,600 S2: they could do nothing other than to love me as 163 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,280 S2: God loved them. While they were weak, while they were 164 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:53,199 S2: still sinners, while they were enemies. So my dad, I 165 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,480 S2: kicked them out. My dad gave me a Bible before 166 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,280 S2: he left, and I took that Bible and I threw 167 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:59,520 S2: it in the trash. 168 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,040 S1: Well, let me end there. And that for not completely 169 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:05,680 S1: end there. Let me just end there as we take 170 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,400 S1: a break, because I think there are people who have 171 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,720 S1: just leaned in a lot closer to their radio. The 172 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,240 S1: reason why I'm asking Christopher to tell his story, if 173 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,079 S1: you've never heard it before, you need to read the 174 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,760 S1: book out of a Far Country. His mom and he 175 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,400 S1: together talk about this journey, the mom from her perspective 176 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,959 S1: as a follower of Christ, Christopher as someone who was 177 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,160 S1: lost before he was found. It's a powerful story. But 178 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,040 S1: then his next book, Holy Sexuality and the gospel, gave 179 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,679 S1: rise to this brand new, powerful video series that we're 180 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,079 S1: going to discuss this hour. We have so much to share. 181 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:43,180 S1: I'm glad you're with us. We're just getting started. As 182 00:09:43,179 --> 00:09:45,980 S1: culture continues to stumble into darkness, it's easy to lose 183 00:09:45,980 --> 00:09:48,100 S1: heart and grow weary in your faith. And that's why 184 00:09:48,100 --> 00:09:50,460 S1: I've chosen Called to Take a bold stand by pastor 185 00:09:50,460 --> 00:09:52,820 S1: Jack Hibbs as this month's truth tool. Learn how to 186 00:09:52,820 --> 00:09:55,860 S1: represent Christ courageously in a hurting world. As for your 187 00:09:55,860 --> 00:09:57,780 S1: copy of call to take a bold stand when you 188 00:09:57,780 --> 00:09:59,620 S1: give a gift of any amount to in the market, 189 00:09:59,620 --> 00:10:04,020 S1: call 877. Janet 58. That's 877. Janet 58. Or go 190 00:10:04,020 --> 00:10:06,340 S1: to in the market with Janet dot o r g. 191 00:10:12,900 --> 00:10:18,699 S2: Unconditional love is not the same thing as unconditional approval 192 00:10:18,940 --> 00:10:23,500 S2: of my behavior. Let me say that again. Unconditional love 193 00:10:23,740 --> 00:10:29,580 S2: is not the same thing as unconditional approval of my behavior. 194 00:10:29,820 --> 00:10:34,220 S2: My identity should not be defined by my sexuality. My 195 00:10:34,220 --> 00:10:38,540 S2: identity should not be grounded in my desires. My identity 196 00:10:38,540 --> 00:10:44,560 S2: is not gay. It's not ex-gay. It's not even heterosexual 197 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,559 S2: for that matter, because my identity as a child of 198 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:55,599 S2: the living God must be in Jesus Christ alone. God says, 199 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,400 S2: be holy, for I am holy. 200 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,000 S1: Doctor Christopher Yuan, part of his brand new video series 201 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,400 S1: called The Holy Sexuality Project. 12 lessons 36 videos. It 202 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,760 S1: is rich, it is deep, and it has even more meaning. 203 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,040 S1: When you hear Doctor Yuan describe part of his journey 204 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:13,640 S1: as well. And by the way, I hope you're picking 205 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,800 S1: up because both in this clip and something Christopher said 206 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,760 S1: in our first segment together, there is a profound linkage. 207 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,079 S1: And for many people, they didn't see this, but now 208 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,280 S1: it is right and center in front of us. The 209 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,800 S1: linkage between our sexuality and how we define ourselves or 210 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,120 S1: see ourselves. More on that in a little bit. But 211 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,360 S1: I want to go back to your dad, your mom 212 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,240 S1: coming to visit you, loving you with an unconditional love. 213 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,219 S1: Your dad gives you a Bible. You throw it in 214 00:11:39,220 --> 00:11:42,260 S1: the trash, you're still in abject rebellion. You're in the 215 00:11:42,260 --> 00:11:45,220 S1: gay lifestyle. You're using and selling drugs. You're as far 216 00:11:45,220 --> 00:11:48,100 S1: from Christ as you can possibly get. Literally, they throw 217 00:11:48,100 --> 00:11:50,420 S1: out a lifeline and you throw the lifeline away. Please 218 00:11:50,420 --> 00:11:51,780 S1: pick up the story from there. 219 00:11:52,860 --> 00:11:56,420 S2: Yeah. I mean, things were looking so hopeless. And what's 220 00:11:56,420 --> 00:11:59,980 S2: so amazing? I mean, my, my mom and dad knew 221 00:12:00,020 --> 00:12:03,180 S2: that it was just that's it. There was no hope 222 00:12:03,179 --> 00:12:07,100 S2: for me. But they focused not upon hopelessness, but upon 223 00:12:07,100 --> 00:12:11,540 S2: the promises of God. And they began they interceded for me. 224 00:12:11,540 --> 00:12:16,780 S2: They enlisted over 100 people from their church, from their 225 00:12:16,780 --> 00:12:19,580 S2: Bible study fellowship group that they were involved with, and 226 00:12:19,580 --> 00:12:22,260 S2: they began to cry out for God, to God for me. 227 00:12:22,300 --> 00:12:26,820 S2: My mom began to pray this bold prayer, Lord, do 228 00:12:26,860 --> 00:12:31,500 S2: whatever it takes to bring this prodigal son to you. 229 00:12:31,540 --> 00:12:33,780 S2: Mom's are going to really that are listening right now. 230 00:12:33,820 --> 00:12:37,160 S2: We really appreciate that prayer. That's a scary prayer. 231 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:37,880 S1: It is. 232 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,440 S2: But she was desperate because she. She knew this is. 233 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,600 S2: It's impossible. And she prayed for a miracle. My mom 234 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:50,640 S2: fasted every Monday for seven years and once even fasted 235 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,920 S2: 39 days on my behalf. She prayed for a miracle. 236 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,040 S2: And this miracle came with the bang on my door. 237 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,120 S2: Open up my door on my doorstep. 12 federal drug 238 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,239 S2: enforcement agents, Atlanta police, and two big German Shepherd dogs. 239 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,320 S2: So I was arrested, found myself in jail. And a 240 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,080 S2: few days after that, I was walking around the cell 241 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,360 S2: block passed by this garbage can, and I thought, this 242 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,120 S2: is my life. I was about to pass it by. 243 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,120 S2: Something on top of the trash caught my eye. I 244 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,400 S2: bent over, picked it up. It was a Gideon's New 245 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,840 S2: Testament book. Took it back to my cell and I 246 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,360 S2: began reading it. And you know, Janet, at first I was. 247 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,319 S2: I was not thinking this is the answer. I just thought, man, 248 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,560 S2: I've got tons of time on my hands and I 249 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,900 S2: better pass it somehow. But as we know, I mean, 250 00:13:36,020 --> 00:13:39,260 S2: what's the middle name of Moody Bible Institute? It's the Bible. 251 00:13:39,540 --> 00:13:43,140 S2: The Bible began to convict me. It began to reveal 252 00:13:43,420 --> 00:13:46,220 S2: my sin and my rebellion. And, you know, at first 253 00:13:46,540 --> 00:13:49,340 S2: it was not good news for me. I'm thinking, wait, 254 00:13:49,340 --> 00:13:53,179 S2: this is not good news. Well, it got worse. I 255 00:13:53,179 --> 00:13:55,740 S2: was called to the nurse's office and I received the 256 00:13:55,740 --> 00:14:01,699 S2: news that I was HIV positive. So this was rock bottom. 257 00:14:02,179 --> 00:14:04,100 S2: I was laying in my bed a few days after that, 258 00:14:04,100 --> 00:14:07,939 S2: just devastated look up at the metal bunk above me 259 00:14:07,940 --> 00:14:15,020 S2: and someone had written, if you're bored, read Jeremiah 2911, 260 00:14:16,179 --> 00:14:21,020 S2: for I know the plans that I have for you, 261 00:14:21,300 --> 00:14:24,580 S2: declares the Lord, plans to prosper you and not to 262 00:14:24,620 --> 00:14:28,300 S2: harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. 263 00:14:28,340 --> 00:14:33,250 S2: Like there could have been any verse on that bunk. 264 00:14:33,250 --> 00:14:36,770 S2: But God used that very. Those words written by prophet 265 00:14:36,810 --> 00:14:39,530 S2: thousands of years ago to a rebellious nation. Judah, to 266 00:14:39,570 --> 00:14:41,970 S2: tell me that if God could have a plan for 267 00:14:41,970 --> 00:14:46,090 S2: Judah in rebellion and exile, he could even still have 268 00:14:46,090 --> 00:14:49,010 S2: a plan for me. Didn't know where that plan was 269 00:14:49,130 --> 00:14:51,170 S2: was going to take me. God gave me, you know, 270 00:14:51,370 --> 00:14:53,370 S2: enough faith, enough strength to get through that one day 271 00:14:53,370 --> 00:14:56,570 S2: and the next and the next. My transformation was gradual. 272 00:14:56,610 --> 00:15:00,610 S2: God was convicting me of my idols, obviously drugs. Within 273 00:15:00,610 --> 00:15:03,210 S2: a few months, he delivered me from that addiction. But man, 274 00:15:03,210 --> 00:15:04,770 S2: there was just one thing that I feel like I 275 00:15:04,810 --> 00:15:07,410 S2: couldn't let go of my sexuality. I went to a 276 00:15:07,410 --> 00:15:09,730 S2: chaplain and I asked him his opinion, and he actually 277 00:15:09,730 --> 00:15:14,730 S2: told me the Bible does not condemn homosexuality, and he 278 00:15:14,730 --> 00:15:18,650 S2: gave me a book. So I thought, oh, fantastic, now 279 00:15:18,650 --> 00:15:21,090 S2: I could have my cake and eat it too. I 280 00:15:21,090 --> 00:15:23,530 S2: took that book in one hand and the Bible in 281 00:15:23,530 --> 00:15:27,090 S2: the other, and everything inside of me wanted to affirm 282 00:15:27,090 --> 00:15:31,250 S2: what that book is claiming, but it was God's indwelling 283 00:15:31,430 --> 00:15:35,710 S2: Holy Spirit that convicted me that those assertions were clear 284 00:15:35,750 --> 00:15:38,870 S2: distortion of God in His Word. I couldn't even finish 285 00:15:38,870 --> 00:15:41,190 S2: that book. I gave it back to the chaplain, which 286 00:15:41,230 --> 00:15:44,910 S2: meant I turned to the Bible alone. I went through 287 00:15:44,910 --> 00:15:49,470 S2: every verse, every chapter, looking for justification. You know, I 288 00:15:49,590 --> 00:15:52,190 S2: everything inside of me wanted to affirm what that book 289 00:15:52,190 --> 00:15:55,030 S2: is claiming. I went through every verse, every chapter, every 290 00:15:55,030 --> 00:16:00,590 S2: page looking for justification. I couldn't find any. I was 291 00:16:00,590 --> 00:16:03,950 S2: at this turning point and a decision had to be 292 00:16:03,950 --> 00:16:07,270 S2: made either abandoned, gone. His and his word live as 293 00:16:07,270 --> 00:16:10,830 S2: a gay man. Pursue a monogamous same sex relationship by 294 00:16:10,830 --> 00:16:13,870 S2: allowing my attractions to dictate not only who I was, 295 00:16:13,870 --> 00:16:17,990 S2: but how I lived or abandoned pursuing a monogamous same 296 00:16:17,990 --> 00:16:22,030 S2: sex relationship by freeing myself from my sexuality and live 297 00:16:22,030 --> 00:16:26,990 S2: as a follower of Christ. By God's grace, I followed 298 00:16:27,270 --> 00:16:32,130 S2: Jesus The days and the months of abstinence passed. And 299 00:16:32,130 --> 00:16:35,410 S2: I thought, you know, I thought. You know, and, and 300 00:16:35,450 --> 00:16:39,170 S2: I realized my identity does not have to be in 301 00:16:39,170 --> 00:16:44,770 S2: my sexuality. My identity is not gay. My identity isn't straight. 302 00:16:44,770 --> 00:16:48,210 S2: It isn't even ex-gay. For that matter. But my identity 303 00:16:48,210 --> 00:16:50,930 S2: as a child of the living God has to be 304 00:16:51,130 --> 00:16:56,250 S2: in Jesus Christ alone. So through that, I realized I 305 00:16:56,250 --> 00:16:59,090 S2: need to put my identity in nothing other than Jesus 306 00:16:59,090 --> 00:17:01,130 S2: Christ and Him alone. 307 00:17:02,490 --> 00:17:04,770 S1: You can see what's going to be a major theme 308 00:17:04,770 --> 00:17:08,210 S1: in the Holy Sexuality Project that Doctor Christopher Yuan has 309 00:17:08,210 --> 00:17:11,210 S1: just created for teens. But this is for parents. This 310 00:17:11,210 --> 00:17:15,729 S1: is for grandparents. 12 lessons, 36 videos in all. I 311 00:17:15,770 --> 00:17:17,810 S1: have a link to it on my information page. We're 312 00:17:17,810 --> 00:17:20,050 S1: going to get into it in a minute. But hearing 313 00:17:20,050 --> 00:17:23,449 S1: the heart first, I think is paramount. Bible says out 314 00:17:23,450 --> 00:17:25,290 S1: of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks. So 315 00:17:25,290 --> 00:17:27,909 S1: now that you know this is the man behind the 316 00:17:27,910 --> 00:17:31,070 S1: Holy Sexuality Project. You're going to not walk but run 317 00:17:31,070 --> 00:17:33,150 S1: to this. When it comes to teaching our children what 318 00:17:33,190 --> 00:17:35,990 S1: God says on this important topic back after this. 319 00:17:47,390 --> 00:17:53,550 S2: Prior to the mid 1800s, people understood sexuality only as behavior, 320 00:17:53,550 --> 00:17:58,790 S2: not identity. In fact, no word even existed to describe 321 00:17:58,790 --> 00:18:04,030 S2: an individual with same sex attractions. Sigmund Freud was a 322 00:18:04,030 --> 00:18:09,310 S2: famous psychologist from the early 1900s. He believed people were 323 00:18:09,310 --> 00:18:13,430 S2: completely driven and defined by their sexual desires. It was 324 00:18:13,430 --> 00:18:17,150 S2: Freud who made mainstream the use of the terms heterosexual 325 00:18:17,150 --> 00:18:21,910 S2: and homosexual. This labeled people according to categories based on 326 00:18:21,950 --> 00:18:26,730 S2: their sexual and or romantic desires. Unlike his peers, Freud 327 00:18:26,730 --> 00:18:30,930 S2: viewed homosexuality not as a sickness but just as another 328 00:18:30,930 --> 00:18:37,170 S2: variety of humanity. Thus, heterosexual and homosexual became new categories 329 00:18:37,170 --> 00:18:41,650 S2: for the human race. This idea that our identity is 330 00:18:41,650 --> 00:18:46,370 S2: based on our feelings and behaviors quickly grew among the 331 00:18:46,369 --> 00:18:51,730 S2: popular secular philosophies of that time. Europe in the 1800s 332 00:18:51,730 --> 00:18:56,650 S2: had experienced a movement within art, literature, music and academic 333 00:18:56,690 --> 00:19:04,170 S2: thought known as romanticism. Romanticism valued emotions and individualism above 334 00:19:04,170 --> 00:19:04,970 S2: all else. 335 00:19:05,170 --> 00:19:07,169 S1: And it's rampant today. You know, this is such a 336 00:19:07,170 --> 00:19:10,330 S1: wonderful course because it isn't just the birds and the bees, 337 00:19:10,330 --> 00:19:11,889 S1: which I know a whole lot of you were thinking, 338 00:19:11,890 --> 00:19:15,090 S1: this is just a video series, the whole sexuality project 339 00:19:15,130 --> 00:19:17,850 S1: of teaching birds and bees. No, it really does give 340 00:19:17,850 --> 00:19:21,050 S1: you the background, the genesis, if you will, the seismic 341 00:19:21,050 --> 00:19:26,510 S1: ideological shift that somehow our identity is inexorably connected to 342 00:19:26,550 --> 00:19:30,110 S1: our sexuality. That's certainly the idea that's being posited now 343 00:19:30,109 --> 00:19:34,189 S1: by the advocates for. I was assigned the wrong gender 344 00:19:34,190 --> 00:19:37,590 S1: at birth. Right. It's all about your identity. Well, as 345 00:19:37,590 --> 00:19:40,750 S1: Doctor Yuan points out, again and again and again in 346 00:19:40,750 --> 00:19:43,750 S1: his speaking all over the globe, in his writing, and yes, 347 00:19:43,750 --> 00:19:47,109 S1: even in this new video series, The Holy Sexuality Project, 348 00:19:47,109 --> 00:19:50,830 S1: our identity is to be found in Christ. That's how 349 00:19:50,830 --> 00:19:53,710 S1: we were hard wired. When you try anything else, you 350 00:19:53,710 --> 00:19:56,470 S1: always come up short handed. We're going to get into this, 351 00:19:56,470 --> 00:19:59,510 S1: but I cannot leave Christopher where he is in his 352 00:19:59,510 --> 00:20:02,470 S1: story because there's just so much more. So you began 353 00:20:02,470 --> 00:20:05,670 S1: to understand you got this book that was terrible from 354 00:20:05,670 --> 00:20:08,030 S1: a chaplain. And I was thinking when you were talking, Christopher, 355 00:20:08,230 --> 00:20:11,430 S1: as you matured and as God called you deeper into ministry, 356 00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:13,990 S1: did you ever think about going back to the chaplain 357 00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:16,950 S1: and saying, brother, because you're training people and you're offering 358 00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:20,350 S1: them the word of life, the bread you're offering is moldy. 359 00:20:20,350 --> 00:20:21,750 S1: And I want to tell you what's wrong with it. 360 00:20:21,790 --> 00:20:22,939 S1: Did you ever go back to him? 361 00:20:23,619 --> 00:20:27,620 S2: Well, Janet, I would. Modi is being nice. It's poison. 362 00:20:28,020 --> 00:20:29,180 S1: Yes. You're right. 363 00:20:29,220 --> 00:20:31,780 S3: Let's just call it what it is. It's mold that 364 00:20:31,780 --> 00:20:32,580 S3: will kill you. 365 00:20:32,980 --> 00:20:35,899 S2: You know, I did. This is what's so amazing. So 366 00:20:35,940 --> 00:20:38,140 S2: it's been a little while since I've reconnected with him, 367 00:20:38,140 --> 00:20:40,780 S2: but I connected with him. Uh, I don't know if 368 00:20:40,780 --> 00:20:42,419 S2: it was while I was still at Moody as a 369 00:20:42,420 --> 00:20:45,300 S2: student or maybe in seminary. I reached out to him. 370 00:20:45,300 --> 00:20:48,180 S2: And this is what's so cool, Janet. I rarely hear this. 371 00:20:48,580 --> 00:20:52,820 S2: He had been studying God's Word himself, and he told 372 00:20:52,820 --> 00:20:56,740 S2: me that he came back to the biblical view sexuality. 373 00:20:56,780 --> 00:20:57,820 S2: Isn't that amazing? 374 00:20:57,859 --> 00:20:58,340 S1: Wow. 375 00:20:58,380 --> 00:21:01,659 S2: I rarely hear that, Janet. Usually when people go, you 376 00:21:01,660 --> 00:21:04,580 S2: know off that from the biblical view, you know, they 377 00:21:04,580 --> 00:21:07,060 S2: call it the old fashioned view to, you know, a 378 00:21:07,060 --> 00:21:10,300 S2: more quote unquote progressive. And if I could insert nothing 379 00:21:10,300 --> 00:21:13,860 S2: is progressive about it. You go back 2000 years. It's 380 00:21:13,900 --> 00:21:17,060 S2: you will find same sex relationships very common. So actually 381 00:21:17,060 --> 00:21:19,340 S2: it's regressive, but I digress. 382 00:21:19,780 --> 00:21:20,479 S4: Oh wow. 383 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,080 S1: Oh, that's fabulous that you did that. That took I'm 384 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,560 S1: going to use a Yiddish term that took a lot 385 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,080 S1: of chutzpah for you to go back to do it, 386 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,160 S1: because he could have thrown the book at you quite literally. 387 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,440 S1: But how precious and what a gift from the Lord 388 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,240 S1: for you, Christopher, to hear that this man had gone 389 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,159 S1: back to the word and through the tutelage of the 390 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,520 S1: Holy Spirit. That's what it has to be, that his 391 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,280 S1: eyes were open and that rather than go deep into 392 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,160 S1: this darkness and this, this other gospel that's so being 393 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,120 S1: promulgated even in some churches in America today, that he 394 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,840 S1: found his way back into the word. And I'm so 395 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,520 S1: thankful now, praise God when he helps someone else who's 396 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,320 S1: struggling in prison. If he's still in that capacity, he'll 397 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,280 S1: give them the truth and the real lifeline that they're 398 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,640 S1: looking for. But let me go back to you because 399 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,600 S1: you're HIV positive, you're serving a jail sentence. You've come 400 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,800 S1: to Christ. God is using this, if I can, as 401 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:10,560 S1: sort of Paul's, um, Arabian Seminary. You're being tutored by 402 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,280 S1: the Lord while you're in prison. But then what happens? 403 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:14,719 S1: How do you get out? How did you how do 404 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,760 S1: you go from being in prison to being who you 405 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:17,400 S1: are today? 406 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,020 S5: Yeah. Well, I was supposed. 407 00:22:19,020 --> 00:22:21,340 S2: To get ten years to life. I was initially sentenced 408 00:22:21,380 --> 00:22:24,100 S2: to six years, and I was doing time. And it 409 00:22:24,100 --> 00:22:27,459 S2: was when I was God actually called me to ministry 410 00:22:27,460 --> 00:22:30,219 S2: while I was in prison, of all places. And it 411 00:22:30,220 --> 00:22:32,340 S2: was during this time I realized, you know, it doesn't 412 00:22:32,340 --> 00:22:34,379 S2: matter where I was in prison or out of prison, 413 00:22:34,380 --> 00:22:37,379 S2: my call to ministry would remain the same regardless of 414 00:22:37,380 --> 00:22:40,260 S2: the location. And when that I had that change of heart, 415 00:22:40,260 --> 00:22:43,020 S2: God did a miracle. He shortened my prison sentence from 416 00:22:43,020 --> 00:22:46,100 S2: six years to three years, which in the federal system 417 00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:49,740 S2: is almost unheard of. And so I was, I thought, man, 418 00:22:49,740 --> 00:22:51,379 S2: if I'm called to ministry, when I got out of 419 00:22:51,380 --> 00:22:53,619 S2: prison with only about a year left of my sentence, 420 00:22:53,900 --> 00:22:57,300 S2: I needed to learn more about the Bible, so called 421 00:22:57,300 --> 00:23:00,500 S2: home collect to my parents in Chicago. And I told them, 422 00:23:00,500 --> 00:23:02,300 S2: I think God's calling me to ministry. And I asked 423 00:23:02,300 --> 00:23:07,220 S2: him to mail me an application to Moody Bible Institute. Well, 424 00:23:07,220 --> 00:23:09,699 S2: I realized after I got it, I needed references. And 425 00:23:09,700 --> 00:23:11,899 S2: you know who I was able to persuade? A prison chaplain, 426 00:23:11,940 --> 00:23:14,580 S2: a prison guard, and another prison inmate to write my 427 00:23:14,580 --> 00:23:16,340 S2: reference to Moody so. 428 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,200 S3: Amazingly, they actually. 429 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,760 S2: Accepted me. I was released from prison July of 2001. 430 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,119 S2: Started the very next month in August. So I always 431 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,880 S2: tell this Janet, imagine the surprise of my classmates when 432 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,760 S2: I answered their question. What did you do this summer? 433 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,520 S2: I graduated from Moody 2005, went on to my master's 434 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,240 S2: in 2007, received my doctorate in ministry. And as you mentioned, 435 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,080 S2: I had the immense honor of co-authoring a book with 436 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,760 S2: mom called out of a Far Country A Gay Son's 437 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,200 S2: Journey to God, A Broken Mother's Search for Hope, which 438 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,679 S2: I don't know if you knew this or not, Janet, 439 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,640 S2: but several Christian schools are using it as a textbook, 440 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,040 S2: a testimony as a textbook. Isn't that amazing? 441 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,360 S1: Fabulous, fabulous. Because it's so good on so many levels. 442 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,280 S1: You use the word prodigal before. It's such a wonderful 443 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,840 S1: picture of trusting God, not knowing what the outcome is. 444 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,399 S1: But your mom faithfully just banging on the gates of 445 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,040 S1: heaven for you on a regular basis. The prayers of 446 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,280 S1: a righteous man availeth much. If I can add a 447 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,820 S1: little bit of eisegesis to the exegesis there. and what 448 00:24:14,859 --> 00:24:17,340 S1: a precious mom she is and always will be. By 449 00:24:17,340 --> 00:24:19,740 S1: the way, praying for her son when we come back. 450 00:24:19,780 --> 00:24:22,940 S1: This ministry of yours has absolutely exploded. God has called 451 00:24:22,940 --> 00:24:25,660 S1: you for such a time as this, when sexuality is 452 00:24:25,660 --> 00:24:28,660 S1: the headline. Every single day in this country, I want 453 00:24:28,660 --> 00:24:31,020 S1: to dig deep into the Holy Sexuality Project. When we 454 00:24:31,060 --> 00:24:34,340 S1: come back. Brand new video series. It is a must 455 00:24:34,340 --> 00:24:37,300 S1: for schools, for your family, for small groups back after this. 456 00:24:43,460 --> 00:24:45,739 S1: There's a sense of anxiety in our country, and I 457 00:24:45,740 --> 00:24:48,340 S1: know you feel it too. As a partial partner, you 458 00:24:48,340 --> 00:24:50,780 S1: can help reach the world with the truth and peace 459 00:24:50,780 --> 00:24:53,859 S1: found only in Christ. And as a partial partner, you'll 460 00:24:53,859 --> 00:24:57,780 S1: receive exclusive behind the scenes information and benefits directly from me, 461 00:24:57,820 --> 00:24:59,459 S1: keeping you up to date on what's going on in 462 00:24:59,460 --> 00:25:03,540 S1: our world. So call 877 Janet 58 or go online 463 00:25:03,540 --> 00:25:06,780 S1: to In the market with Janet Parshall dot o r g. 464 00:25:13,810 --> 00:25:18,570 S2: What is biblical sexuality? Instead of using a secular framework 465 00:25:18,570 --> 00:25:23,530 S2: that divides up humanity according to sexual desires heterosexuality, bisexuality, 466 00:25:23,570 --> 00:25:30,129 S2: homosexuality let's use a biblical one. Not heterosexuality, not homosexuality, 467 00:25:30,330 --> 00:25:35,770 S2: but wholly sexuality. What exactly is holy sexuality? When reading 468 00:25:35,770 --> 00:25:39,570 S2: through the Bible, there's only two paths that God lays 469 00:25:39,570 --> 00:25:42,570 S2: out for us when it comes to sexuality. When you 470 00:25:42,570 --> 00:25:47,050 S2: are single, be chaste. Be sexually pure. If you marry, 471 00:25:47,090 --> 00:25:50,450 S2: be faithful to your spouse of the opposite sex. In 472 00:25:50,450 --> 00:25:56,810 S2: other words, holy sexuality is chastity in singleness or faithfulness 473 00:25:56,850 --> 00:26:00,170 S2: in marriage. I started off this whole series by stating 474 00:26:00,170 --> 00:26:05,210 S2: that we can't build a Christian life just on God's. No, 475 00:26:05,250 --> 00:26:10,090 S2: this biblical concept of holy sexuality helps us to understand 476 00:26:10,090 --> 00:26:15,310 S2: what is also God's. Yes for singles. Abstinence is good 477 00:26:15,310 --> 00:26:21,670 S2: and important, but chastity focuses on God's. Yes. That is purity, devotion, 478 00:26:21,670 --> 00:26:26,109 S2: and holiness for married people. Avoiding sexual immorality in marriage 479 00:26:26,109 --> 00:26:31,590 S2: is good and important, but faithfulness focuses on being other centered. 480 00:26:31,950 --> 00:26:35,510 S2: This is God's. Yes, in a world that blurs the 481 00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:39,389 S2: lines of morality into every shade of gray. We must 482 00:26:39,390 --> 00:26:45,910 S2: realize that biblical sexuality is not vague. It's black and white. 483 00:26:47,550 --> 00:26:50,750 S1: That is Doctor Christopher Yuan, part of his brand new 484 00:26:50,790 --> 00:26:55,869 S1: The Holy Sexuality Project. 12 lessons, 36 videos. I've got 485 00:26:55,869 --> 00:26:57,870 S1: a link in my site, and we're going to break 486 00:26:57,869 --> 00:26:59,550 S1: down exactly how this works in a minute. But if 487 00:26:59,550 --> 00:27:02,790 S1: you're just joining us, please make sure that you download 488 00:27:02,790 --> 00:27:05,190 S1: this podcast, get the full hour so that you can 489 00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:07,630 S1: hear Doctor Yuan's testimony and how he came to faith 490 00:27:07,630 --> 00:27:10,650 S1: in Christ. It just adds so much more. He's not 491 00:27:10,650 --> 00:27:13,170 S1: just giving a Bible lesson, and he could certainly do that, 492 00:27:13,170 --> 00:27:16,410 S1: but he has multiple degrees. He got his undergrad from Moody, 493 00:27:16,410 --> 00:27:19,010 S1: then got his master's in biblical exegesis, then got a 494 00:27:19,010 --> 00:27:22,649 S1: doctorate in ministry. He's now been speaking with teaching, by 495 00:27:22,650 --> 00:27:25,010 S1: the way, on the campus of Moody for over 12 years. 496 00:27:25,010 --> 00:27:27,330 S1: But at the same time, his speaking ministry was growing 497 00:27:27,369 --> 00:27:30,489 S1: and now that's gone over continents, by the way, he 498 00:27:30,490 --> 00:27:33,970 S1: speaks at conferences, college campuses, churches at the same time, 499 00:27:33,970 --> 00:27:37,730 S1: writing some pretty tremendous and important books. One we were 500 00:27:37,730 --> 00:27:40,570 S1: just told is actually not just his memoir with he 501 00:27:40,570 --> 00:27:42,929 S1: and his mother, but it's also being used as a 502 00:27:42,930 --> 00:27:45,170 S1: textbook in a lot of Christian schools. And while it showed, 503 00:27:45,170 --> 00:27:47,609 S1: it is a fabulous tearjerker. If you haven't read it, 504 00:27:47,609 --> 00:27:50,209 S1: you should. Out of a far country, a gay son's 505 00:27:50,210 --> 00:27:52,810 S1: Journey to God, a Broken mother's search for Hope, over 506 00:27:52,810 --> 00:27:57,170 S1: 100,000 copies and more now out there in eight languages. 507 00:27:57,170 --> 00:28:00,449 S1: And then he wrote the book Holy Sexuality and the 508 00:28:00,490 --> 00:28:05,090 S1: Gospel Sex, Desire and Relationship shaped by God's Grand Story 509 00:28:05,290 --> 00:28:07,510 S1: that became the book of the year in 2020 dealing 510 00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:10,910 S1: with social issues as so identified by Outreach magazine. Out 511 00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:13,510 S1: of that gave birth. Now to this video series, which 512 00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:15,389 S1: we're going to talk about. I've been playing little snippets 513 00:28:15,390 --> 00:28:18,389 S1: so that you can hear the heart, the passion, and 514 00:28:18,390 --> 00:28:22,990 S1: the depth of information that's offered in this video series. So, Christopher, 515 00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:25,870 S1: let me talk logistics first. I just said 12 lessons, 516 00:28:25,869 --> 00:28:29,150 S1: 36 videos. When you put this together, how do you 517 00:28:29,150 --> 00:28:32,270 S1: see it being used? By whom and in what way? 518 00:28:33,390 --> 00:28:38,469 S5: Well, you know, when I was creating this, I initially 519 00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:42,310 S5: wanted to take my book, Holy Sexuality in the gospel 520 00:28:42,430 --> 00:28:45,830 S5: and turn it into like a teen version because I thought, man, 521 00:28:45,870 --> 00:28:49,630 S5: we need, we so desperately need resources. And then as 522 00:28:49,630 --> 00:28:53,190 S5: I was thinking a little bit and creating it, I thought, well, 523 00:28:53,390 --> 00:28:56,190 S5: you know as much, Janet, as I bemoan the fact 524 00:28:56,190 --> 00:29:00,190 S5: that teenagers aren't reading, um, that's just a fact. 525 00:29:00,230 --> 00:29:02,430 S2: You know, I'd love for them to read more, but 526 00:29:02,430 --> 00:29:04,870 S2: I thought, man, if, if, if we're trying to do like, 527 00:29:05,010 --> 00:29:09,330 S2: add something extra on top of their homework from high school. 528 00:29:09,730 --> 00:29:12,370 S2: Maybe a book might be, you know, too much for 529 00:29:12,370 --> 00:29:15,890 S2: just the average kid. And what's the main medium that 530 00:29:15,930 --> 00:29:18,970 S2: kids are devouring today for, for good or for bad? 531 00:29:19,130 --> 00:29:21,530 S2: It's videos. So we created this video, and then I 532 00:29:21,530 --> 00:29:23,290 S2: was looking at some of the resources out there. You know, 533 00:29:23,330 --> 00:29:27,450 S2: we've had some resources in the past on abstinence. Um, 534 00:29:27,570 --> 00:29:30,490 S2: and I think that's beneficial. But as you know, you 535 00:29:30,530 --> 00:29:32,890 S2: quoted those clips. We can't build a Christian life just 536 00:29:32,930 --> 00:29:36,090 S2: on God's. No. I think some of the newer resources 537 00:29:36,290 --> 00:29:38,770 S2: say some good stuff, but it seems to focus just 538 00:29:38,770 --> 00:29:42,290 S2: a lot on just be nicer, just love. And, and 539 00:29:42,290 --> 00:29:44,650 S2: if I could add, Janet, we definitely need to love, 540 00:29:44,690 --> 00:29:48,890 S2: but not just we love people to Christ. If Christ 541 00:29:48,890 --> 00:29:52,570 S2: is not a part of this equation, we could be 542 00:29:52,610 --> 00:29:55,850 S2: patting people on the back on their way. Apart from 543 00:29:55,890 --> 00:29:59,610 S2: a an eternity away from God. So we need to 544 00:29:59,650 --> 00:30:02,890 S2: love people to Christ. We don't make a. We don't 545 00:30:02,890 --> 00:30:07,110 S2: make love an end in itself. We make love a 546 00:30:07,150 --> 00:30:09,550 S2: means to an end. And I think many of the 547 00:30:09,550 --> 00:30:13,590 S2: approaches that we hear today, even among evangelical churches, it's 548 00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:17,670 S2: grace at the expense of truth. But here's the other thing. 549 00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:23,430 S2: A lot of these resources are programs. They're there for 550 00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:27,430 S2: maybe a Christian school, the classroom or the, the youth group. 551 00:30:27,470 --> 00:30:30,750 S2: And I think those are beneficial, but I think for 552 00:30:30,750 --> 00:30:36,350 S2: lasting change, we need to have a paradigm shift that the, the, 553 00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:40,470 S2: the situation, the, you know, the place where this these 554 00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:46,230 S2: conversations needs to happen. It's in the classroom, but even better, 555 00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:48,750 S2: it's in the living room, it's in the dining room 556 00:30:48,750 --> 00:30:52,950 S2: and in the family room. Because a youth pastor is as, 557 00:30:52,990 --> 00:30:55,390 S2: as much as they're trying to do all they can 558 00:30:55,390 --> 00:30:59,310 S2: to point people to Christ and disciple kids, that's not 559 00:30:59,670 --> 00:31:04,540 S2: the the main responsibility. Disciple. Kids must rest in the 560 00:31:04,620 --> 00:31:08,500 S2: hands of parents, but they're very little resources out there. 561 00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:13,100 S2: Majority are for a youth group or for the classroom. 562 00:31:13,140 --> 00:31:17,020 S2: And then maybe something for parents is an afterthought. We 563 00:31:17,020 --> 00:31:20,820 S2: wanted to switch that around and put parents back in 564 00:31:20,860 --> 00:31:23,540 S2: the driver's seat to do the job that God has 565 00:31:23,540 --> 00:31:28,220 S2: ordained them to do. Deuteronomy six seven, right after Moses 566 00:31:28,260 --> 00:31:31,420 S2: writes down the, you know, the the great commandment to 567 00:31:31,460 --> 00:31:33,540 S2: love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, soul, mind, 568 00:31:33,540 --> 00:31:37,980 S2: and strength. And it says, teach this to diligently to 569 00:31:38,020 --> 00:31:41,380 S2: our children. So the question is, are we teaching our 570 00:31:41,380 --> 00:31:45,980 S2: children diligently or is someone else? Or is the culture 571 00:31:46,060 --> 00:31:49,940 S2: diligently teaching our kids? So I would say this is the, 572 00:31:49,980 --> 00:31:53,340 S2: you know, first of its kind where it is specifically 573 00:31:53,340 --> 00:31:57,300 S2: for home discipleship. I don't want I'm not a parent, 574 00:31:57,300 --> 00:32:00,040 S2: but if I was, I don't want any anybody to 575 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:00,920 S2: take away. 576 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:01,800 S3: My. 577 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,560 S2: Job, whether it's even a grandparent. There's a lot of 578 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,400 S2: I have to admit, there's a lot of parents and 579 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,080 S2: they're just over. You know, it's just over their heads 580 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,719 S2: or they're just drowning almost themselves and overwhelmed. So grandparents, 581 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,600 S2: what a great opportunity. They have some extra time. And 582 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,760 S2: instead of just simply, you know, spoiling your grandchildren, use 583 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,320 S2: this opportunity because here's something interesting, Janet. I think many 584 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,880 S2: grandparents out there right now, even listening, they may have 585 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,920 S2: more of a listening ear to the grandkids than the 586 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,959 S2: parents do. Let's use that to throw a lifeline to 587 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,720 S2: our children that are drowning in a tsunami of lies. 588 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:45,960 S2: So this is for parents and grandparents to be able 589 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,920 S2: to disciple their kids, to help their teens or grandchildren 590 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:55,160 S2: that are teens and pre-teens to understand, embrace, and celebrate 591 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,480 S2: biblical sexuality. 592 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,380 S1: Amen. You laid that out beautifully. It's a total of 593 00:32:59,380 --> 00:33:02,100 S1: 4.5 hours of content. But let me just go over 594 00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:04,380 S1: this again because I know that people are going, oh, 595 00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:06,380 S1: how do I fit this into my schedule and how 596 00:33:06,380 --> 00:33:09,220 S1: do I get them to be non-scholarly enough to sit 597 00:33:09,220 --> 00:33:11,100 S1: down and really focus on this? So we'll get to 598 00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:15,420 S1: that in a second. But 12 lessons, 36 videos in 599 00:33:15,460 --> 00:33:19,820 S1: this whole big package. And again, it is for the home. Okay. 600 00:33:19,980 --> 00:33:22,940 S1: We are the best Department of Health, education and welfare. 601 00:33:22,980 --> 00:33:25,420 S1: I say that all the time on this program, and 602 00:33:25,420 --> 00:33:27,740 S1: we praise God for all of those supportive ministries that 603 00:33:27,740 --> 00:33:29,620 S1: are out there to help us do our job. But you, 604 00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:32,780 S1: mom and dad, grandmother, grandfather, you are not elected. You 605 00:33:32,780 --> 00:33:35,460 S1: were divinely appointed to this position. And now, more than 606 00:33:35,460 --> 00:33:38,620 S1: ever before, the wolves in the triple headed hydras are 607 00:33:38,620 --> 00:33:40,740 S1: just outside your front door, and they can't wait to 608 00:33:40,780 --> 00:33:43,180 S1: get to your child and tell them the lie that 609 00:33:43,180 --> 00:33:46,660 S1: their identity is wrapped up into their sexuality. And they can. 610 00:33:46,660 --> 00:33:49,820 S1: Genesis chapter three determine what their own sexuality is going 611 00:33:49,820 --> 00:33:52,260 S1: to be and then run with it. Because after all, 612 00:33:52,260 --> 00:33:54,940 S1: the affect of supersedes the cognitive. And if it makes 613 00:33:54,940 --> 00:33:56,600 S1: you feel good and it's who you are and it's 614 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,920 S1: your truth, then live your truth. Right? Oh, that just 615 00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:01,680 S1: goes on and on and on. I gotta tell you, 616 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,360 S1: it's an old Bible church kid. I never thought in 617 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,760 S1: a gazillion years that the biggest assault against the church today, Christopher, 618 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,120 S1: would be in the area of human sexuality. But it 619 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,400 S1: goes back to one of the core theses, if I 620 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,399 S1: can put it that way in the video series, which 621 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:18,480 S1: is the linkage, again, between our identity and our sexuality. 622 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,479 S1: And I played just that little tiny bit about Freud 623 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,719 S1: and how he began to advance this idea. But this 624 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,680 S1: is Pandora's box open wide now, or the whole idea 625 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,919 S1: is that the totality of who you are is tied 626 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,040 S1: into how you identify sexually, what a third rate way 627 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,279 S1: to identify herself. How did this become, particularly in the 628 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,360 S1: last 10 to 15 years? Why did this become such 629 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,320 S1: a populous idea advance with such ease? 630 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,200 S2: Well, you know, I think that if there's one thing 631 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,600 S2: that we as Christians are missing when we're understanding this 632 00:34:53,739 --> 00:34:56,899 S2: huge air when it comes to sexuality and gender. We 633 00:34:56,940 --> 00:35:01,220 S2: don't fully comprehend that that sexuality and gender has become 634 00:35:01,219 --> 00:35:04,020 S2: not just what we do or what we feel, but 635 00:35:04,060 --> 00:35:07,899 S2: it has fully become who we are. And I would 636 00:35:07,900 --> 00:35:09,700 S2: say this is a good litmus test for some of 637 00:35:09,700 --> 00:35:13,419 S2: the resources out there. If they are almost justifying and 638 00:35:13,420 --> 00:35:17,340 S2: trivializing this term gay. They say it's okay and not 639 00:35:17,340 --> 00:35:21,140 S2: actually understanding how we have made sexuality and gender a 640 00:35:21,140 --> 00:35:24,860 S2: desire to be personhood. I would say be careful because 641 00:35:24,860 --> 00:35:29,660 S2: if we don't get this right, the trajectory of our 642 00:35:29,660 --> 00:35:33,779 S2: final destination, it misses Christ. And so when we're so 643 00:35:33,780 --> 00:35:36,259 S2: shocked at how do where do we get this? We 644 00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:40,460 S2: can trace it back actually several hundred years ago to 645 00:35:40,620 --> 00:35:46,259 S2: the mid 1800s, when all these secular philosophies were burgeoning 646 00:35:46,260 --> 00:35:51,380 S2: out of a rejection of God's truth. Because you reject God, 647 00:35:51,620 --> 00:35:54,680 S2: there's no meaning, no purpose and identity, and they're needed. 648 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,560 S2: And there was a huge vacuum. 649 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:57,840 S4: Mhm. Well. 650 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,919 S1: It's the series again is called the Holy Sexuality Project. 651 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,560 S1: It replicates what Doctor Yuan wrote about in his book 652 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,879 S1: Holy Sexuality and the gospel. But he brilliantly knew that 653 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,000 S1: there had to be a resource. There hasn't been, by 654 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,279 S1: the way, for some reason, the church has kind of 655 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,680 S1: been tepid on this particular issue. We cannot afford to 656 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,040 S1: be that way any more. Our children are being taken 657 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,560 S1: captive through vain and hollow philosophies. As it says in 658 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,440 S1: the book of Colossians, this is the antidote to be 659 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,880 S1: able to sit down grandparents, parents, and walk your child 660 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,960 S1: through the idea of when God says yes to sexuality 661 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,960 S1: and what that means. The Holy Sexuality Project. Have a 662 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,800 S1: link on my info page back after this. 663 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,480 S6: Both Paul and Jesus quote Genesis two verse 24 as 664 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:53,670 S6: the foundational text for marriage. Therefore, a man shall leave 665 00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:57,030 S6: his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, 666 00:36:57,030 --> 00:37:01,150 S6: and the two shall become one flesh. In Ephesians five, 667 00:37:01,190 --> 00:37:07,069 S6: verse 32, Paul immediately adds, this mystery is profound, and 668 00:37:07,070 --> 00:37:09,709 S6: I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. 669 00:37:10,030 --> 00:37:14,989 S6: Paul uses the word mystery to communicate that earthly marriage 670 00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:19,390 S6: points to something even greater. What is this mystery? Earthly 671 00:37:19,390 --> 00:37:24,390 S6: marriage between man and wife? Points to the ultimate marriage 672 00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:29,430 S6: between Christ and the church. The ultimate purpose of human 673 00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:33,310 S6: marriage isn't actually for husband and wife to love each 674 00:37:33,350 --> 00:37:37,350 S6: other and have a life partner. Companionship, that's a good thing. 675 00:37:37,469 --> 00:37:41,790 S6: But marriage is. Highest aim is to point people toward 676 00:37:41,790 --> 00:37:47,069 S6: the ultimate and eternal reality of Christ and the church. 677 00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:50,649 S6: In a previous lesson, we learned that there is no 678 00:37:50,650 --> 00:37:55,130 S6: marriage in heaven, so marriage is only temporary. It's a 679 00:37:55,130 --> 00:37:59,089 S6: momentary shadow. The union of husband and wife points to 680 00:37:59,130 --> 00:38:03,450 S6: the ultimate union of Christ and the church. And when 681 00:38:03,450 --> 00:38:06,890 S6: that marriage is complete at the wedding supper of the Lamb, 682 00:38:07,050 --> 00:38:10,410 S6: there will no longer be any need for the shadow 683 00:38:10,410 --> 00:38:15,049 S6: of earthly marriage. Therefore, we shouldn't think about singleness as 684 00:38:15,050 --> 00:38:20,730 S6: a temporary state before marriage. Rather, marriage is the temporary 685 00:38:20,770 --> 00:38:23,490 S6: state before eternity. 686 00:38:24,170 --> 00:38:28,010 S1: That's good. That is so good. That is Doctor Christopher Yuan, 687 00:38:28,010 --> 00:38:32,130 S1: part of the Holy Sexuality series, the Holy Sexuality Project 688 00:38:32,330 --> 00:38:36,450 S1: that he has just released. It is 12 lessons, 36 videos. 689 00:38:36,450 --> 00:38:37,770 S1: I have a link on how you can get it. 690 00:38:37,770 --> 00:38:39,330 S1: I want to talk about the price in a minute. 691 00:38:39,330 --> 00:38:43,130 S1: Wow is all I can say. And this is wonderfully designed, 692 00:38:43,130 --> 00:38:46,170 S1: particularly because the church doesn't have an awful lot of resources. 693 00:38:46,170 --> 00:38:49,190 S1: But you can preview this. You can go to the website, 694 00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:51,350 S1: you can take a look at all of the issues 695 00:38:51,350 --> 00:38:53,989 S1: that are covered in this project. It's absolutely stunning, by 696 00:38:53,989 --> 00:38:56,390 S1: the way. And it really, when it's all said and done, 697 00:38:56,430 --> 00:38:59,310 S1: teaches our young people that their true identity is found 698 00:38:59,310 --> 00:39:02,509 S1: in Christ. So, Christopher, talk to me about the price 699 00:39:02,510 --> 00:39:03,750 S1: and then I want to pick up on what you 700 00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:07,029 S1: were just saying about. I love that reversal, that the 701 00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:10,350 S1: temporary state is actually marriage. It's not the singleness, but 702 00:39:10,350 --> 00:39:12,730 S1: it also underscores the fact, and I say this a 703 00:39:12,730 --> 00:39:15,270 S1: million times on this program, that this whole assault that 704 00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:17,430 S1: we're seeing in the area of human sexuality is, at 705 00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:21,310 S1: its core, spiritual warfare, because it really violates the primacy 706 00:39:21,310 --> 00:39:24,270 S1: of this institution that God created in a place of 707 00:39:24,270 --> 00:39:27,830 S1: perfection in Eden before there was sin, but so much 708 00:39:27,830 --> 00:39:31,989 S1: more than companionship and procreation. It is the profundity of 709 00:39:31,989 --> 00:39:36,310 S1: the representation of Christ and His bride. So no wonder 710 00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:38,910 S1: the devil wants to go after sexuality and marriage. He 711 00:39:38,910 --> 00:39:43,230 S1: wants to obliterate any reference, any symbolism, any pointing to 712 00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:46,570 S1: what Christ has and is and will do for his church. 713 00:39:46,570 --> 00:39:48,969 S1: So for me, it just makes me stand up and 714 00:39:48,969 --> 00:39:50,930 S1: suit up a little faster when I realize it isn't 715 00:39:50,930 --> 00:39:53,529 S1: just some weird stuff being sold in the marketplace. It 716 00:39:53,530 --> 00:39:56,410 S1: is with pinpoint specificity that the enemy is going after 717 00:39:56,410 --> 00:39:59,010 S1: the issue of human sexuality. And mom and dad, you 718 00:39:59,010 --> 00:40:01,170 S1: either get there first because the world can't wait to 719 00:40:01,210 --> 00:40:03,210 S1: get there. Talk to me about the price. And then 720 00:40:03,210 --> 00:40:05,649 S1: I want to contextualize this a little bit. You've got 721 00:40:05,650 --> 00:40:07,810 S1: a donor that's done an awful lot of underwriting here, 722 00:40:07,810 --> 00:40:10,330 S1: which makes this very feasible for people. Talk to me 723 00:40:10,330 --> 00:40:10,810 S1: about this. 724 00:40:10,850 --> 00:40:16,710 S2: Yes. Yeah. Actually this project, um, it was essentially $1.2 725 00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:20,569 S2: million project. We were not, we did not pay that much. 726 00:40:20,570 --> 00:40:24,890 S2: We got just a fraction of that. Um, but it's 727 00:40:24,890 --> 00:40:29,690 S2: a huge, huge project. Now, if your listeners were listening carefully, 728 00:40:29,690 --> 00:40:32,730 S2: they could have heard some sounds in the background because 729 00:40:33,050 --> 00:40:38,450 S2: we use customized sound engineers, illustrators and animators, everything was 730 00:40:38,450 --> 00:40:43,350 S2: customized and animation is expensive. That's 24 frames per second, 731 00:40:43,390 --> 00:40:49,469 S2: 24 and a lot of the professional illustrators, animators, artists, 732 00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:55,710 S2: sound engineers, they have been doing wonderful custom art for 733 00:40:55,710 --> 00:40:58,750 S2: large ministries, for example, like the Bible Project. Some of 734 00:40:58,750 --> 00:41:01,510 S2: your listeners are probably familiar with that and how excellent 735 00:41:01,510 --> 00:41:05,109 S2: they produce stuff. Well, many of the artists that did 736 00:41:05,110 --> 00:41:08,270 S2: stuff for that, we were able to get to do 737 00:41:08,310 --> 00:41:10,709 S2: our work as well. And it was it was a 738 00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:13,750 S2: lot of work. I never thought it would be like this. 739 00:41:13,790 --> 00:41:16,550 S2: And to be honest, we were three years ago in 740 00:41:16,590 --> 00:41:21,270 S2: talks with very large, uh, Christian companies and people that 741 00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:24,630 S2: produce some of the, you know, the largest organization that 742 00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:27,149 S2: produces church curriculum. We were in conversations with them and 743 00:41:27,150 --> 00:41:32,270 S2: other large educational organizations and we thought, you know, several 744 00:41:32,270 --> 00:41:35,710 S2: things that we wouldn't have final editing. And also we 745 00:41:35,710 --> 00:41:38,310 S2: could have been cancelled at any minute. Curriculums don't make 746 00:41:38,350 --> 00:41:42,010 S2: a lot of money, but also the the charge wanted 747 00:41:42,010 --> 00:41:46,730 S2: to be 200, 300, $400 per two year license. And 748 00:41:46,730 --> 00:41:49,770 S2: this is where some generous donors, along with my parents, 749 00:41:49,930 --> 00:41:52,970 S2: wanted to say, you know what? No, we know how 750 00:41:53,170 --> 00:41:57,649 S2: desperately parents and grandparents need this. And I know this 751 00:41:57,650 --> 00:42:00,089 S2: is a shock. You said this. Wow. It should be 752 00:42:00,090 --> 00:42:04,810 S2: over 200, $300. It's only we're offering it just for 20. 753 00:42:05,370 --> 00:42:07,130 S2: And a lot of times this is the risk. A 754 00:42:07,130 --> 00:42:10,129 S2: lot of times people don't realize the quality until they 755 00:42:10,130 --> 00:42:13,049 S2: actually start it after they purchase it. But so many 756 00:42:13,050 --> 00:42:15,210 S2: people have been coming back. They said, we had no 757 00:42:15,210 --> 00:42:20,290 S2: idea the quality of this, of the film and the animation. 758 00:42:20,530 --> 00:42:24,090 S2: Kids need to be engaged. And I mean, and I'll admit, 759 00:42:24,090 --> 00:42:28,049 S2: I also have kind of probably some attention deficit issues. 760 00:42:28,370 --> 00:42:28,850 S3: And so. 761 00:42:29,050 --> 00:42:31,330 S2: You know, I understand that as a teenager, they, they 762 00:42:31,370 --> 00:42:33,489 S2: need that. And so we didn't want there to be 763 00:42:33,489 --> 00:42:36,569 S2: any boundary, anything stumbling block to get in the way 764 00:42:36,570 --> 00:42:40,600 S2: between God's beautiful truth when it comes to sexuality. And 765 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,000 S2: you talk about this thing about marriage, you know, the 766 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:51,240 S2: world idolizes marriage. And regrettably, sometimes Christians, we begin mimicking 767 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,600 S2: the world and we begin worshiping this thing that is 768 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,600 S2: meant to be so good to point to Christ. And 769 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,800 S2: my hope for this whole lesson, not just talking on marriage, 770 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,959 S2: but singleness, is to point to Christ. There was another 771 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,719 S2: lesson that was come out by another person that was 772 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,320 S2: had turned gay, affirming, and she called her course me. 773 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,640 S2: Course we wanted our course to be Christ focused and 774 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:17,680 S2: Christ centered. 775 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:18,960 S4: Amen. Amen. 776 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,600 S1: What is your target age group for this, Christopher? 777 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,640 S2: Well, it's teenagers and pre-teens. 778 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:25,600 S4: Good. 779 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,799 S1: The reason I ask that is because you realize some 780 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,759 S1: of this pornography is being kept in the libraries, in 781 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,400 S1: the local public schools for kindergartners. So as far as 782 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,960 S1: I'm concerned, mom and dad, you can't start this too 783 00:43:37,060 --> 00:43:40,460 S1: soon to be able to introduce them to what God says. 784 00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:44,260 S1: And he says yes. On human sexuality, he's talked about 785 00:43:44,260 --> 00:43:48,780 S1: chaste in your singleness and faithfulness. If you are married. 786 00:43:49,020 --> 00:43:51,660 S1: And then Christopher just builds and builds and builds. So 787 00:43:51,660 --> 00:43:54,339 S1: it isn't you can't you shouldn't, you don't and turns 788 00:43:54,340 --> 00:43:57,419 S1: it around and understands that God is the author of 789 00:43:57,420 --> 00:44:01,180 S1: human sexuality and put it there for a myriad of reasons. 790 00:44:01,180 --> 00:44:05,300 S1: This marvelous series, The Holy Sexuality Project, breaks it down 791 00:44:05,300 --> 00:44:09,500 S1: so that you grandparents, you parents, and you young person, 792 00:44:09,500 --> 00:44:13,340 S1: can really understand the magnificence of what God did and 793 00:44:13,340 --> 00:44:15,620 S1: why he did it for us. So check it out 794 00:44:15,620 --> 00:44:17,500 S1: and it's very easy for you to learn more. I've 795 00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:20,219 S1: got links, but if you can remember it, it's real simple. 796 00:44:20,580 --> 00:44:26,180 S1: Holy sexuality.com. Holy sexuality.com preview it. Check it out. We 797 00:44:26,219 --> 00:44:28,660 S1: are very blessed as a church capital C for the 798 00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:31,540 S1: work that Doctor Yuan has done on this crucial topic. 799 00:44:31,780 --> 00:44:34,180 S1: Thank you Christopher. Thank you friends. We'll see you next time.