1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,480 S1: Hi friends, thanks so much for downloading this podcast and 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,480 S1: I hope truly that you will hear something that will encourage, edify, 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,160 S1: equip and enlighten you to get out there and influence 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:10,880 S1: and occupy until he comes. And on that note, may 5 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:12,760 S1: I take just a few moments here to describe this 6 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,800 S1: month's truth tool? It's by pastor Jack Hibbs. He's written 7 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,599 S1: the book called Called to Take a Bold Stand. 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The president won a pledge. 41 00:01:48,630 --> 00:01:50,710 S4: Americans worshiping government over God. 42 00:01:51,070 --> 00:01:53,150 S5: Extremely rare safety move by a. 43 00:01:53,150 --> 00:01:53,510 S1: Major. 44 00:01:53,590 --> 00:01:56,510 S4: 17 years. The Palestinians and Israelis negotiated. 45 00:01:56,950 --> 00:02:13,580 S1: It is not. Hi friends. Welcome to In the Market 46 00:02:13,580 --> 00:02:15,980 S1: with Janet partial. So glad we're going to spend the 47 00:02:15,980 --> 00:02:18,980 S1: hour together okay. Get your dialing fingers ready. We're opening 48 00:02:18,980 --> 00:02:22,460 S1: the phone lines. We're going to talk about the red. Sure. 49 00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:25,260 S1: Everybody's interested in this topic. You know, we woke up 50 00:02:25,260 --> 00:02:28,660 S1: this morning exactly as we told we would see eventually 51 00:02:28,660 --> 00:02:31,700 S1: in the latter days. And I'm sure we're there. We 52 00:02:31,700 --> 00:02:33,500 S1: were going to see wars and rumors of wars. So 53 00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:35,300 S1: it's all around us. And when that happens, you know 54 00:02:35,300 --> 00:02:39,820 S1: what happens. And us personally, we're watching intense situations percolating 55 00:02:39,820 --> 00:02:42,260 S1: all over the globe. But stuff like this makes us 56 00:02:42,260 --> 00:02:45,100 S1: stop and say, what about me? What about my mortality? 57 00:02:45,139 --> 00:02:47,419 S1: How is it going to end for me? And wars 58 00:02:47,460 --> 00:02:49,859 S1: remind us that there will be an end, just as 59 00:02:49,860 --> 00:02:52,340 S1: there was a beginning. There will be an end. And 60 00:02:52,340 --> 00:02:55,460 S1: the rapture, by the way, we are all set to die. 61 00:02:55,700 --> 00:02:59,179 S1: No more prophecies to be filled. No more preannouncements. No 62 00:02:59,180 --> 00:03:02,019 S1: church bulletins. Boom. It's going to happen in the twinkling 63 00:03:02,020 --> 00:03:04,100 S1: of an eye. No man knows the hour or the day. 64 00:03:04,100 --> 00:03:07,579 S1: Not even the son, only the father. And when it comes, 65 00:03:08,380 --> 00:03:10,100 S1: are you going to be ready? I hope so, so 66 00:03:10,139 --> 00:03:13,540 S1: I want to take your questions because, you know, it's interesting. 67 00:03:13,540 --> 00:03:17,500 S1: This feeds into conversations about the Middle East and Israel 68 00:03:17,500 --> 00:03:20,660 S1: and dispense oh, that word, that d word dispensationalism. And 69 00:03:20,660 --> 00:03:23,139 S1: is that a bad, terrible, ugly thing? Or is it 70 00:03:23,139 --> 00:03:26,660 S1: really just a systematic way to discuss timelines in the 71 00:03:26,660 --> 00:03:29,860 S1: history of human beings? Well, you decide. You make the 72 00:03:29,860 --> 00:03:32,220 S1: questions because Todd Hanson's going to answer them. I want 73 00:03:32,260 --> 00:03:38,619 S1: to give you the number first. (877) 548-3675 questions only topic 74 00:03:38,660 --> 00:03:40,940 S1: the rapture. You can ask anything you want about end 75 00:03:40,940 --> 00:03:43,420 S1: times because Todd can answer it, but we'll just use 76 00:03:43,420 --> 00:03:45,700 S1: the launching pad of the rapture to start this. But 77 00:03:45,700 --> 00:03:51,620 S1: (877) 548-3675 I'm so glad Todd is back again. He got 78 00:03:51,620 --> 00:03:54,220 S1: his master's in Dallas Theological Seminary, so I already love 79 00:03:54,220 --> 00:03:57,690 S1: when we're starting this conversation. He's a speaker, an illustrator, 80 00:03:57,690 --> 00:04:01,010 S1: an animation producer, and the author of the nonprofits. I 81 00:04:01,010 --> 00:04:04,610 S1: love that title guide. And that's not profit. It's Pro 82 00:04:06,010 --> 00:04:09,410 S1: Nonprofits guide book series. I have them all and they're 83 00:04:09,450 --> 00:04:13,090 S1: absolutely fabulous. He is also co-host of the Prophecy Pro 84 00:04:13,090 --> 00:04:16,450 S1: Podcast Pros podcast. That's true because he does it alongside 85 00:04:16,450 --> 00:04:19,969 S1: with Jeff Kinley. Todd's an award winning animation company. He's 86 00:04:19,970 --> 00:04:23,969 S1: got it's called Timbuktu. Isn't that clever? He's produced content 87 00:04:23,970 --> 00:04:27,370 S1: for many well-known ministry organizations, and the latest book that 88 00:04:27,370 --> 00:04:30,610 S1: he's written is called Just This The Nonprofits Guide to 89 00:04:30,810 --> 00:04:33,250 S1: the rapture. But I also have another one, and I 90 00:04:33,330 --> 00:04:35,729 S1: just I just can't take it off my desk because 91 00:04:35,730 --> 00:04:37,970 S1: I love it so much. It is an illustrated guide, 92 00:04:38,250 --> 00:04:40,770 S1: and it's bigger, and it's called A Visual Guide to 93 00:04:40,810 --> 00:04:43,770 S1: the End Times, a complete survey of the chronology and 94 00:04:43,770 --> 00:04:46,370 S1: events of the last time. And if you look at 95 00:04:46,370 --> 00:04:49,650 S1: the Book of Revelation or Ezekiel 38 and 39 and 96 00:04:49,650 --> 00:04:52,010 S1: you talk about Daniel, and your eyes start to glaze over, 97 00:04:52,170 --> 00:04:54,210 S1: you know, what Todd has done along with his buddy 98 00:04:54,210 --> 00:04:57,120 S1: Jeff to is they've made this really easy and I'm 99 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,000 S1: going to date myself. Raise your hand. If you were 100 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,360 S1: a kid in Sunday school who had flannel boards. Oh, yeah. 101 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,520 S1: Hands all over the country. Uh, right. Well, just picture 102 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,520 S1: these as sort of the modern day flannel boards. They 103 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,200 S1: teach us in such a wonderful way that if you 104 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,560 S1: don't get the chronology, the events, the timeline, all of that. 105 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,160 S1: Todd does such a wonderful job of really opening our eyes. 106 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:15,919 S1: But it's more than that. It's more just it's more 107 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,400 S1: than making it easy for you to read this stuff. 108 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:20,760 S1: It's for you to not read it alone, but to 109 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:25,800 S1: absorb it, understand it, and with joyous anticipation, looking forward 110 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,560 S1: to our redemption. Who draws nigh? Can I say it 111 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,400 S1: any other way than that? So again, we're going to 112 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:36,239 S1: take your calls this hour at (877) 548-3675. Questions only for 113 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,640 S1: Todd Hampson. And this is going to be a fabulous conversation. 114 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,800 S1: So Todd, the warmest of welcomes I've already got people online. 115 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,480 S1: And I was thinking, oh I could be greedy. I 116 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,480 S1: could not take any calls at all this hour, but 117 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,960 S1: I won't. I promise I won't be selfish, but let 118 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,839 S1: me just ask one question. Just kind of a launching 119 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,680 S1: pad question. As you study and you talk and you 120 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,870 S1: podcast on this. What do you think the biggest misconception 121 00:05:56,870 --> 00:05:59,590 S1: is among believers? Not the lost. Those who don't yet 122 00:05:59,630 --> 00:06:02,150 S1: know the Lord as their Savior, but among believers. What 123 00:06:02,150 --> 00:06:05,230 S1: do you think is the biggest misunderstanding about the rapture? 124 00:06:06,190 --> 00:06:07,910 S6: That's a great question. First of all, it's great to 125 00:06:07,910 --> 00:06:10,070 S6: join you again, Janet. I've really been looking forward to this, 126 00:06:10,070 --> 00:06:12,830 S6: and it's always a pleasure. And it's it's just I 127 00:06:12,830 --> 00:06:15,230 S6: always look forward to it. What a great time. And yeah, 128 00:06:15,230 --> 00:06:19,109 S6: I think the biggest misconception with the rapture, believe it 129 00:06:19,110 --> 00:06:21,789 S6: or not right now, is is it even biblical? A 130 00:06:21,830 --> 00:06:25,110 S6: lot of people see it as a, a fad, you know, 131 00:06:25,150 --> 00:06:28,029 S6: like a passing fad that was popular in the 90s, 132 00:06:28,029 --> 00:06:31,030 S6: but it's really not in Scripture. So that's really an 133 00:06:31,029 --> 00:06:35,470 S6: uphill battle, um, because it's been sensationalized and some other reasons. 134 00:06:35,470 --> 00:06:38,310 S6: But also a lot of believers have stopped looking into 135 00:06:38,310 --> 00:06:40,550 S6: the scriptures and taking it at face value. So they 136 00:06:40,589 --> 00:06:44,190 S6: hear some prominent voices saying, the scriptures, not the scriptures, 137 00:06:44,190 --> 00:06:49,310 S6: don't support a rapture generally or specifically don't don't support 138 00:06:49,310 --> 00:06:51,470 S6: a pre-trib rapture. So those are kind of two things 139 00:06:51,470 --> 00:06:54,900 S6: that used to be kind of standard fare for most evangelicals, 140 00:06:54,900 --> 00:06:57,500 S6: but it's kind of fallen out of favor. So trying 141 00:06:57,500 --> 00:06:59,060 S6: to reclaim that a bit. 142 00:06:59,339 --> 00:07:01,820 S1: Well, gee, makes you wonder if that falls out of favor. 143 00:07:01,820 --> 00:07:02,940 S1: What's next? Right. 144 00:07:02,980 --> 00:07:05,979 S6: Yeah, exactly. It's our blessed hope. It's what we're supposed 145 00:07:05,980 --> 00:07:07,099 S6: to be looking forward to. 146 00:07:07,220 --> 00:07:09,540 S1: Absolutely. And I'm not sure I want to take a 147 00:07:09,540 --> 00:07:11,540 S1: pick and choose approach. You know, this isn't like a 148 00:07:11,540 --> 00:07:13,940 S1: country buffet restaurant where you say, I like this part 149 00:07:13,940 --> 00:07:15,580 S1: of the scriptures, but I'm not going to take that 150 00:07:15,580 --> 00:07:18,260 S1: part of the scripture. Every single word was written for 151 00:07:18,260 --> 00:07:21,980 S1: our edification under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. So 152 00:07:22,300 --> 00:07:24,860 S1: it really requires I say this so much as I'm 153 00:07:24,900 --> 00:07:27,660 S1: growing older in my relationship with the Lord, we really 154 00:07:27,660 --> 00:07:29,900 S1: need a higher view of God and a deeper view 155 00:07:29,900 --> 00:07:32,739 S1: of Scripture. And I think because we've got so many 156 00:07:32,740 --> 00:07:35,660 S1: choices out there as a consumer, we can't we take 157 00:07:35,660 --> 00:07:38,860 S1: a consumer's perspective on the scriptures. I'll take this. I'll 158 00:07:38,860 --> 00:07:41,220 S1: reject that. This part I like, this part I don't like. 159 00:07:41,260 --> 00:07:43,260 S1: And boy, you do that. You're getting into trouble. Okay? 160 00:07:43,260 --> 00:07:45,460 S1: I won't be selfish, I promise. Lines are already lining up. 161 00:07:45,460 --> 00:07:50,460 S1: So (877) 548-3675. Nancy, we're going to start with you in Florida. 162 00:07:50,540 --> 00:07:52,730 S1: Thanks so much for being here. And your question for Todd. 163 00:07:54,730 --> 00:07:57,410 S7: Yes, sir. Where in the Bible does it confirm that 164 00:07:57,410 --> 00:07:58,690 S7: there is a rapture? 165 00:08:00,050 --> 00:08:02,930 S6: Yeah. So that's a great, great question, Nancy. And that's 166 00:08:02,930 --> 00:08:04,890 S6: where I point people first, because I think that's the 167 00:08:04,890 --> 00:08:07,370 S6: key thing to know. Or what are the key passages 168 00:08:07,370 --> 00:08:10,210 S6: of the rapture. Uh, so people if they're if they're 169 00:08:10,210 --> 00:08:12,210 S6: not driving, they might want to write these down. But 170 00:08:12,250 --> 00:08:18,050 S6: a first Thessalonians, chapter four, verses 13 through 18 gives 171 00:08:18,050 --> 00:08:22,250 S6: us a clear, slow play by play, uh, condition of 172 00:08:22,250 --> 00:08:25,290 S6: the rapture or description of the rapture. And two other 173 00:08:25,290 --> 00:08:29,890 S6: key passages are First Corinthians 1551 through 53. But the 174 00:08:29,890 --> 00:08:33,330 S6: broader context is all about the resurrection. The resurrection is 175 00:08:33,330 --> 00:08:36,290 S6: the rapture in the church age. Uh, and then also 176 00:08:36,290 --> 00:08:39,090 S6: two more I would point people to is John 14 177 00:08:39,130 --> 00:08:42,050 S6: one through three. This is where Jesus was in the 178 00:08:42,050 --> 00:08:45,170 S6: Upper room discourse, giving his disciples kind of the last 179 00:08:45,210 --> 00:08:48,010 S6: marching orders before he went to the cross. And then 180 00:08:48,010 --> 00:08:51,010 S6: last but not least, if there's one one verse you 181 00:08:51,010 --> 00:08:53,210 S6: want to look at, that's kind of a proof text 182 00:08:53,210 --> 00:08:57,050 S6: for pre-trib rapture. I'd like to point people to revelation 183 00:08:57,050 --> 00:09:00,969 S6: 310 and it says, we'll be removed from the hour 184 00:09:01,010 --> 00:09:02,730 S6: of trial that's coming on the earth. 185 00:09:03,050 --> 00:09:03,329 S8: Hmm. 186 00:09:03,370 --> 00:09:06,330 S1: Wow, Nancy, what a great question to start this conversation with. 187 00:09:06,330 --> 00:09:08,530 S1: So thank you very much. Okay, you hear the music? 188 00:09:08,570 --> 00:09:10,050 S1: I have to take a break, but it doesn't mean 189 00:09:10,050 --> 00:09:16,170 S1: you can't keep calling in. (877) 548-3675. We're talking about the rapture, 190 00:09:16,170 --> 00:09:18,330 S1: but I will take any questions on any part of 191 00:09:18,330 --> 00:09:21,089 S1: the end times because Todd Hampson knows it all. But 192 00:09:21,090 --> 00:09:23,490 S1: we're going to focus on the rapture with your questions 193 00:09:23,490 --> 00:09:28,329 S1: at (877) 548-3675. And Todd's got a great book out on 194 00:09:28,330 --> 00:09:31,410 S1: this called The Nonprofit's Guide to the rapture. It's right 195 00:09:31,410 --> 00:09:33,730 S1: there on our information page for your perusal, and I'd 196 00:09:33,770 --> 00:09:35,689 S1: add it to your library if I were you. We're 197 00:09:35,690 --> 00:09:37,329 S1: going to take a break back to the phones when 198 00:09:37,330 --> 00:09:56,840 S1: we return. As culture continues to stumble into darkness, it's 199 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,080 S1: easy to lose heart and grow weary in your faith. 200 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,080 S1: And that's why I've chosen Called to Take a Bold 201 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,840 S1: Stand by pastor Jack Hibbs as this month's truth tool. 202 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,920 S1: Learn how to represent Christ courageously in a hurting world. 203 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,079 S1: As for your copy of Call to Take a Bold Stand, 204 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:10,560 S1: when you give a gift of any amount to in 205 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:15,120 S1: the market, call 877 Janet 58. That's 877 Janet 58 206 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:19,880 S1: or go to in the market with Janet Parshall. Todd 207 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,400 S1: is with us. He is a speaker, illustrator, animation producer 208 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,800 S1: and the author of the Nonprofits Guide book series. They 209 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,360 S1: Are fabulous, by the way, and his latest in that 210 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,720 S1: series is called The Nonprofits Guide to the Rapture Bible 211 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,600 S1: Prophecy for everyone. And that prophecy word is so important 212 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:42,120 S1: to our conversation today. We're taking your calls at (877) 548-3675. 213 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:47,510 S1: That's (877) 548-3675. We're going to New Hampshire. That's where Barbara is. Barbara, 214 00:10:47,510 --> 00:10:49,790 S1: thanks for stopping by. We'll take your question, please. 215 00:10:50,670 --> 00:10:53,950 S7: Hi. Now, I've been with the Lord. I've been a 216 00:10:53,950 --> 00:10:57,390 S7: Christian for over 40 years, and I've studied my Bible 217 00:10:57,390 --> 00:11:00,190 S7: quite a bit. And I used to be I used 218 00:11:00,190 --> 00:11:03,150 S7: to be on board with a pre-trib rapture, but up 219 00:11:03,150 --> 00:11:06,990 S7: until just a few years ago, um, doing some pretty 220 00:11:07,030 --> 00:11:11,150 S7: deep study and listening to some really good scholars. One 221 00:11:11,150 --> 00:11:15,070 S7: of them, um, would be R.C. Sproul, among others, not 222 00:11:15,070 --> 00:11:18,990 S7: just him. And just like I said, studying the scriptures, 223 00:11:18,990 --> 00:11:24,630 S7: I've actually fallen away from a pre-trib rapture. Um, I 224 00:11:24,670 --> 00:11:27,309 S7: do believe that there will be, you know, that he 225 00:11:27,309 --> 00:11:31,709 S7: is going to protect us from the wrath to come. Um, 226 00:11:32,110 --> 00:11:35,870 S7: but I still I still believe, I believe we are 227 00:11:35,910 --> 00:11:39,870 S7: going to go through the tribulation with some kind of protection. 228 00:11:39,910 --> 00:11:43,230 S7: Others will be killed by the Antichrist. But I really 229 00:11:43,230 --> 00:11:47,660 S7: think we are going to go through it. Um, so 230 00:11:48,460 --> 00:11:54,020 S7: I just I don't know what else, you know, is 231 00:11:54,020 --> 00:11:59,740 S7: there that I'm. I'm kind of missing, um, to dissuade 232 00:11:59,740 --> 00:12:03,020 S7: me to come back to a pre-trib rapture. 233 00:12:04,260 --> 00:12:06,380 S6: Well, Barbara, you have to go pick up my book 234 00:12:06,420 --> 00:12:08,540 S6: and read it from cover to cover. I think it'll 235 00:12:08,580 --> 00:12:13,179 S6: it'll convince you, but but no, I appreciate that. And 236 00:12:13,179 --> 00:12:15,740 S6: and as always, we know there are different approaches to 237 00:12:15,780 --> 00:12:20,580 S6: Scripture and there's different views. Uh, fortunately, and unfortunately, there 238 00:12:20,580 --> 00:12:23,059 S6: really can only be one correct view, though. So that's 239 00:12:23,059 --> 00:12:27,179 S6: our aim as theologians, uh, at any level is to 240 00:12:27,460 --> 00:12:31,739 S6: to see what truth says. R.C. Sproul, uh, great great theologian. 241 00:12:31,740 --> 00:12:33,300 S6: I agree with him on a lot of stuff, but 242 00:12:33,300 --> 00:12:36,980 S6: I but I disagree with his preterism, which basically says 243 00:12:36,980 --> 00:12:39,260 S6: that everything that the Bible says is is for the 244 00:12:39,260 --> 00:12:43,460 S6: future actually happened in 70 A.D.. Um, but by the way, R.C. 245 00:12:43,500 --> 00:12:46,210 S6: Sproul and John MacArthur were great friends, even though they 246 00:12:46,250 --> 00:12:50,050 S6: were on different pages in terms of eschatology. R.C. Sproul 247 00:12:50,050 --> 00:12:52,930 S6: was a preterist, as I mentioned, and MacArthur was a 248 00:12:52,970 --> 00:12:58,170 S6: pre-trib dispensationalist. Premillennial whole nine yards. But to answer your question, 249 00:12:58,170 --> 00:13:01,730 S6: I think I would encourage you to go read those passages. 250 00:13:01,730 --> 00:13:03,250 S6: If you do have my book. I'm not even trying 251 00:13:03,250 --> 00:13:05,730 S6: to be funny. You are the person I wrote the 252 00:13:05,730 --> 00:13:09,650 S6: book for, because it really is a systematic overview that 253 00:13:09,650 --> 00:13:13,130 S6: does not overlook anything that shows all the different views 254 00:13:13,330 --> 00:13:16,130 S6: and the strengths of the pre-trib view. And matter of fact, 255 00:13:16,130 --> 00:13:18,690 S6: I have a chapter with kind of my top ten 256 00:13:18,690 --> 00:13:22,730 S6: reasons for a pre-trib, and it is a big it 257 00:13:22,770 --> 00:13:24,850 S6: is a we're diving into the deep end of the pool. 258 00:13:24,850 --> 00:13:27,410 S6: There's a lot of pieces to put together. There is 259 00:13:27,410 --> 00:13:29,890 S6: a lot of things to consider. But I would encourage 260 00:13:29,890 --> 00:13:33,850 S6: you don't take any man's word for it, but really 261 00:13:33,850 --> 00:13:35,530 S6: put the work in if you really want to figure 262 00:13:35,530 --> 00:13:39,210 S6: it out and synthesize all these passages for yourself. And 263 00:13:39,250 --> 00:13:41,570 S6: this book is a tool to do just that. It 264 00:13:41,570 --> 00:13:44,760 S6: has everything you need to really consider all different things. 265 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,000 S6: But but I think if you take the plain sense 266 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,199 S6: language approach, which is the same way we interpret all 267 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:55,600 S6: fulfilled prophecy, then all future prophecy will also be fulfilled 268 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,480 S6: literally as foretold in Scripture. And you simply can't read 269 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:04,120 S6: first Thessalonians four or John 14 and say that there's 270 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,800 S6: not a rapture. It is in Scripture. And that's what 271 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,479 S6: we have to wrestle with as believers. 272 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,040 S1: And Barbara and Todd, maybe this is a good point 273 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,959 S1: for us to inject that. You know, there are our 274 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,320 S1: dear friend, Doctor Norman Geisler would always encourage us to 275 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,440 S1: be careful to not major in the minors. And this 276 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,000 S1: this idea of where you fall on the eschatological timeline pre, 277 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,280 S1: mid post are whatever you are. That's not a reason 278 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,720 S1: to disfellowship. If anything, it's a reason for us to 279 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,120 S1: come and reason together and do deep dives into the 280 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,320 S1: Word of God. It's all going to happen and all 281 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,080 S1: of those discussions are going to disappear at the end, 282 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,480 S1: because it's going to happen exactly as the Lord has 283 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,240 S1: told us. It's going to happen. We can just have 284 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,560 S1: interesting discussions before it happens about how it's going to happen. 285 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,360 S1: And in full disclosure, Barbara, I'm on the exact same 286 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,560 S1: page as Todd, I believe exactly as he does. And 287 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,880 S1: for any listeners who are questioning this, and I'm unapologetic 288 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:55,040 S1: about my position, and I'm not being haughty or arrogant. 289 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,600 S1: I'm just saying that's what I believe. And, uh, you know, 290 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,640 S1: we are open for discussion here. So I'm glad that 291 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:06,560 S1: you called. Barbara, thank you so much for being with us. (877) 548-3675. 292 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,840 S1: And let me go right back to the phones. And Dave, 293 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,920 S1: I'm going to ask you to join us from Tennessee. 294 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:11,800 S1: Thanks for being here. 295 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:17,200 S9: Hey there. Um, thanks for taking my call. Um, I 296 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:21,720 S9: hope to the pre-trib, uh, viewpoint and, um, search scripture 297 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,360 S9: and studied it, and, uh, the Lord's led me to 298 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,200 S9: stand on that. But recently, I was having a discussion 299 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,120 S9: with a friend, and, um, uh, kind of led to 300 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:38,080 S9: the question of what, uh, doctrinal teachings and interpretations existed 301 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:44,630 S9: before the Scofield Reference Bible. and John Darby viewpoint on 302 00:15:44,630 --> 00:15:48,990 S9: it and, um, and how that popularized the viewpoint. If 303 00:15:48,990 --> 00:15:50,910 S9: you could help me understand that a little bit better, 304 00:15:50,910 --> 00:15:51,550 S9: that'd be awesome. 305 00:15:51,590 --> 00:15:57,070 S6: Yeah, absolutely. That's a great question. And that's another, another, um, 306 00:15:57,390 --> 00:16:00,150 S6: another question I answer in the book is did did 307 00:16:00,150 --> 00:16:03,030 S6: John Darby invent the rapture? Because that's the argument that 308 00:16:03,030 --> 00:16:06,110 S6: you hear quite a bit. And the answer is no. He, 309 00:16:06,150 --> 00:16:09,710 S6: he he systematized it, he put it together. But I 310 00:16:09,750 --> 00:16:12,230 S6: actually in the book I go through church history. And 311 00:16:12,230 --> 00:16:14,590 S6: when you look at early church history going all the 312 00:16:14,590 --> 00:16:18,150 S6: way back to the first century, you see what what 313 00:16:18,150 --> 00:16:21,230 S6: is known as ancient pre-trib, meaning they didn't have all 314 00:16:21,230 --> 00:16:23,990 S6: the charts and everything that we do now that actually 315 00:16:23,990 --> 00:16:26,910 S6: didn't come into play at all until the enlightenment period, 316 00:16:26,910 --> 00:16:29,910 S6: when we had universities and degrees and all that kind 317 00:16:29,910 --> 00:16:33,150 S6: of stuff. But early, early in church history, we have many, 318 00:16:33,150 --> 00:16:36,590 S6: many statements from people who were closer to the first 319 00:16:36,590 --> 00:16:42,340 S6: century that had a a pre-trib view, for example. Polycarp 320 00:16:42,380 --> 00:16:45,580 S6: was a direct disciple of John in the first century, 321 00:16:45,900 --> 00:16:52,380 S6: and Polycarp discipled. Irenaeus and Irenaeus had a clear pre-trib view. 322 00:16:52,500 --> 00:16:55,340 S6: He actually there's a statement in his Against Heresies where 323 00:16:55,340 --> 00:16:58,660 S6: he said, and therefore then in the end the church 324 00:16:58,660 --> 00:17:01,740 S6: shall be suddenly caught up from this, and there shall 325 00:17:01,740 --> 00:17:05,340 S6: be tribulation. Such has not been since the beginning, or 326 00:17:05,340 --> 00:17:08,100 S6: neither shall be. So it's not a new idea. We 327 00:17:08,100 --> 00:17:10,060 S6: can trace it all through church history, but there's a 328 00:17:10,060 --> 00:17:13,700 S6: reason it's been more formalized in these past couple centuries. 329 00:17:13,940 --> 00:17:14,340 S8: Mm. 330 00:17:14,500 --> 00:17:16,780 S1: Thank you so much for the question. It's very important 331 00:17:16,780 --> 00:17:22,300 S1: about what we're talking about today. So thank you for that, Dave. (877) 548-3675. 332 00:17:22,340 --> 00:17:25,340 S1: Lots of great questions online and we welcome yours as well. 333 00:17:25,380 --> 00:17:27,780 S1: Todd Hampson is with us, Hampson is with us. And 334 00:17:27,780 --> 00:17:31,260 S1: his latest book in the nonprofit's guide series is On 335 00:17:31,300 --> 00:17:35,219 S1: the Rapture. It's wonderful. It's, um, illustrative. And that's a 336 00:17:35,220 --> 00:17:37,740 S1: double entendre because not only are there great cartoons in 337 00:17:37,740 --> 00:17:41,210 S1: there part of his timbuktu's world. But it's also open 338 00:17:41,210 --> 00:17:43,170 S1: your eyes to exactly what the Bible has to say. 339 00:17:43,210 --> 00:18:03,449 S1: More of your questions right after this. (877) 548-3675. That's our 340 00:18:03,450 --> 00:18:05,450 S1: number here on in the market with Janet partial. And 341 00:18:05,450 --> 00:18:07,770 S1: you need it because we're taking your questions this hour 342 00:18:07,810 --> 00:18:10,530 S1: on the rapture with Todd Hampson who has done the 343 00:18:10,570 --> 00:18:14,650 S1: non-profit series guides. And they're absolutely fabulous. And his latest, 344 00:18:14,810 --> 00:18:17,129 S1: which is sort of the launching pad for today's conversation, 345 00:18:17,130 --> 00:18:19,970 S1: is the rapture one? I promise not to be selfish 346 00:18:19,970 --> 00:18:21,970 S1: because every line is lit right now. Todd but just 347 00:18:21,970 --> 00:18:24,530 S1: a quick thought. I absolutely love the story of Philip 348 00:18:24,530 --> 00:18:26,810 S1: and the Ethiopian eunuch. It's one of my favorites. And 349 00:18:26,810 --> 00:18:28,970 S1: when you get into acts eight and you read in 350 00:18:28,970 --> 00:18:32,250 S1: verse 39, when the spirit of the Lord suddenly took 351 00:18:32,250 --> 00:18:35,770 S1: Philip away, that word is harpazo same word as in 352 00:18:35,810 --> 00:18:39,000 S1: first Thessalonians. And then we also read about Jesus. After 353 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:43,360 S1: 40 days after the crucifixion and the resurrection ascends into heaven. 354 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:47,560 S1: The Bible is filled with types and archetypes and foreshadowings 355 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,680 S1: and foretelling prophecy. But you wonder if those events where 356 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,320 S1: we read about what happened to Philip, will we read 357 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,119 S1: about Jesus's ascension is a way of sort of nudging 358 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,400 S1: people to believe it's plausible. It's probable. And here's evidence 359 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:00,119 S1: to that end. 360 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,680 S6: Yes, I believe so. And also, Scripture was written with 361 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,359 S6: a very unique language, the Greek language. And the word 362 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,639 S6: for rapture is harpazo. And like you said, both of 363 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,040 S6: those cases are referred to as harpazo. Even Jesus's ascension 364 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,080 S6: in revelation 12 is mentioned as a harpazo. Sounds like 365 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,320 S6: an Italian dish, but it's actually a Greek word. But 366 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,320 S6: it's it's used 14 times in the New Testament, and 367 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:29,720 S6: it always means a sudden seizure or, or a carrying 368 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:35,080 S6: off by force or snatching away physically, physically removed from. 369 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,670 S6: So it's very clear word. And like you said, we 370 00:19:37,670 --> 00:19:40,310 S6: have case studies in the Old and New Testament of 371 00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:43,510 S6: raptures to show us what what to give us some 372 00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:46,670 S6: kind of insight on some detail of what the rapture 373 00:19:46,670 --> 00:19:47,389 S6: will be like. 374 00:19:47,670 --> 00:19:50,629 S1: Thank you for your thoughts on that. Okay. JD, joining 375 00:19:50,630 --> 00:19:53,150 S1: us from Indiana. Thanks for being here. Your question please. 376 00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:56,830 S10: Uh, yes, Janet, thank you for taking my call. And 377 00:19:56,830 --> 00:20:00,430 S10: thank you for your ministry. I truly appreciate it. Um, Todd, 378 00:20:00,470 --> 00:20:03,070 S10: I just have one question for you. Um, will the 379 00:20:03,070 --> 00:20:07,270 S10: mark of the beast happen before or after the rapture? 380 00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:11,390 S6: That's a great question, JD. And uh, from my take 381 00:20:11,390 --> 00:20:13,869 S6: on scripture, when we look at it chronologically in the 382 00:20:13,869 --> 00:20:17,230 S6: book of revelation, is is actually written chronologically. So that 383 00:20:17,230 --> 00:20:19,989 S6: helps us a lot. I believe the mark will be 384 00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:24,950 S6: instituted at the midpoint of the future seven year tribulation period. Uh, 385 00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:27,109 S6: so I don't think we'll see that or have to 386 00:20:27,109 --> 00:20:29,710 S6: worry about that at all. Uh, we may see some 387 00:20:29,710 --> 00:20:32,149 S6: stage setting things for it, but I think it's something 388 00:20:32,150 --> 00:20:35,030 S6: we don't really need to be concerned of unless we're 389 00:20:35,030 --> 00:20:37,389 S6: here after the rapture. And if you know Jesus, you 390 00:20:37,390 --> 00:20:40,190 S6: won't be, in my opinion. So if you don't know Jesus, 391 00:20:40,190 --> 00:20:42,870 S6: accept him today. But that's a that's a great question, J.D.. 392 00:20:43,550 --> 00:20:46,189 S1: Amen and amen. On that same note, Michelle, thank you 393 00:20:46,190 --> 00:20:47,750 S1: for joining us. Your question please. 394 00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:52,869 S11: Well, kind of along that line, I guess, for those 395 00:20:52,869 --> 00:20:58,869 S11: who are still here, if they, um, don't take the 396 00:20:58,869 --> 00:21:00,990 S11: mark of the beast, would they still get a chance 397 00:21:00,990 --> 00:21:01,830 S11: to go to heaven? 398 00:21:02,950 --> 00:21:05,710 S6: Yeah. Now, this is a great that's a great question, Michelle, 399 00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:07,630 S6: because a lot of people assume, oh, if you miss 400 00:21:07,630 --> 00:21:10,470 S6: the rapture, you can't be right with the Lord at all. 401 00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:14,189 S6: But actually, what we find in revelation six and seven 402 00:21:14,190 --> 00:21:17,550 S6: is that the biggest revival in history will be after 403 00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:21,510 S6: the rapture. Now those believers will suffer greatly. They'll live 404 00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:24,630 S6: in the hardest time, uh, that that the history of 405 00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:28,429 S6: Earth has ever known. But God's grace is still available, 406 00:21:28,430 --> 00:21:32,230 S6: even as his wrath is falling on earth. And so 407 00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:37,179 S6: we see that there's two two witnesses. There's 144,000 Jewish 408 00:21:37,180 --> 00:21:39,540 S6: witnesses who will tell people about the gospel. And there's 409 00:21:39,540 --> 00:21:42,060 S6: even a gospel angel that we read about in the 410 00:21:42,060 --> 00:21:44,619 S6: book of revelation that will fly around and preach the 411 00:21:44,660 --> 00:21:48,460 S6: gospel before the period, or the point where they have 412 00:21:48,460 --> 00:21:51,020 S6: to make a choice between taking the mark. And by 413 00:21:51,020 --> 00:21:52,900 S6: the way, when people take the mark, it won't be 414 00:21:52,900 --> 00:21:57,260 S6: an accident. They're actually siding with the Antichrist and they're 415 00:21:57,260 --> 00:22:00,500 S6: choosing sides. So it's not like something they'll accidentally do. 416 00:22:00,940 --> 00:22:05,660 S6: But God gives every, every opportunity for grace, uh, up 417 00:22:05,700 --> 00:22:07,980 S6: until they take the Mark of the beast. 418 00:22:08,180 --> 00:22:08,620 S8: Yeah. 419 00:22:08,740 --> 00:22:14,660 S1: Thank you. Michelle, I appreciate the question very much. (877) 548-3675 420 00:22:14,700 --> 00:22:16,900 S1: Richard in North Carolina. Thanks for stopping by. I'd love 421 00:22:16,900 --> 00:22:17,900 S1: your question, please. 422 00:22:18,859 --> 00:22:21,820 S12: Yeah. Hey, guys. Appreciate the way you're carrying on the conversation. 423 00:22:21,859 --> 00:22:24,620 S12: Question for me, you mentioned that that passage in first 424 00:22:24,619 --> 00:22:29,100 S12: Corinthians 1551 to 53, I believe in that passage, Paul 425 00:22:29,100 --> 00:22:33,970 S12: the apostle plainly says at the last trumpet, which would 426 00:22:33,970 --> 00:22:36,610 S12: be the last one of the seven. So I don't 427 00:22:36,609 --> 00:22:39,250 S12: know how you can agree that that's talking about the rapture. 428 00:22:39,369 --> 00:22:41,930 S12: And Paul saying it's the last trumpet, which would be 429 00:22:41,930 --> 00:22:45,010 S12: the seventh one. How can that be reconciled with a 430 00:22:45,010 --> 00:22:46,050 S12: pre-trib position? 431 00:22:46,690 --> 00:22:50,890 S6: Yeah, that's a great question. And, um, the careful thing 432 00:22:50,890 --> 00:22:52,850 S6: we have to do there is look at the context. 433 00:22:52,850 --> 00:22:55,250 S6: I believe Paul is saying it's if you look at 434 00:22:55,290 --> 00:22:57,930 S6: what a trumpet was, it was a call to something. 435 00:22:57,930 --> 00:23:01,530 S6: And he's saying, in my opinion, that's the last trumpet call. 436 00:23:01,530 --> 00:23:04,649 S6: The last call, so to speak, for the church, period. 437 00:23:04,650 --> 00:23:07,530 S6: Because we lead, we read later in Scripture that there 438 00:23:07,530 --> 00:23:10,010 S6: are other trumpets in the Millennial Kingdom. There will be 439 00:23:10,010 --> 00:23:12,730 S6: trumpets in the future eternal state, there will be trumpets. 440 00:23:12,890 --> 00:23:16,330 S6: So it's not literally the last trumpet. And also, if 441 00:23:16,330 --> 00:23:19,130 S6: you look at the context carefully, there's no connection to 442 00:23:19,170 --> 00:23:22,730 S6: it as the last trumpet judgment. It's the last trumpet 443 00:23:22,770 --> 00:23:25,290 S6: of the church age, so to speak. So that's a 444 00:23:25,290 --> 00:23:27,810 S6: short answer to your question, but I totally see why 445 00:23:27,810 --> 00:23:30,690 S6: that could cause some confusion and why some people conclude 446 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,600 S6: that the midpoint of the tribulation period is equated with the. 447 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,840 S6: The judgments of the trumpets are equated with the rapture. 448 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,560 S6: So I totally see why that could be misunderstood at times. 449 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,880 S1: Richard, thanks for being a part of this, I appreciate it. (877) 548-3675. 450 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,960 S1: Rosie in Iowa. Thank you for being here. Your question please. 451 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,640 S13: Yes. Thank you for taking my call. Janet, I have 452 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,000 S13: learned so much from you and you have deepened my faith. 453 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,400 S13: Thank you, thank you. So my question. I've had this 454 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,680 S13: question for a long time. Todd, I know that when 455 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,080 S13: Jesus came the first time, that was his incarnation. And 456 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,640 S13: I know that at the end time, he'll come for 457 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,240 S13: his second return at the end of time. But with 458 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:17,000 S13: the pre meal and the rapture theory, doesn't Jesus need 459 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,159 S13: to come an additional time for a thousand year reign? 460 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,359 S13: And I would love for you to explain. Uh, is 461 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,680 S13: it two times or is it three returns? 462 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,600 S1: Rosie, I'm going to put you on hold. Don't go away, please. 463 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,149 S1: That is an excellent question. You can hear the music 464 00:24:31,150 --> 00:24:33,090 S1: playing and it's going to take more than the 15 465 00:24:33,090 --> 00:24:35,550 S1: seconds I have left for Todd to answer. So stay 466 00:24:35,550 --> 00:24:37,350 S1: right there. We'll come back and all of us will 467 00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:39,950 S1: get the answer to your wonderful question. This is in 468 00:24:39,950 --> 00:24:42,389 S1: the market with Janet. Todd Hanson is our guest. The 469 00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:47,590 S1: rapture is our topic and our number is (877) 548-3675. We'll 470 00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:49,590 S1: take your calls at that number on the rapture right 471 00:24:49,590 --> 00:25:07,590 S1: after this. 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They have 485 00:25:50,109 --> 00:25:53,629 S1: produced content for many well-known ministries, and the latest in 486 00:25:53,630 --> 00:25:57,429 S1: his nonprofit guide series is The Rapture. And that's what 487 00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:59,630 S1: we're taking your questions on anything about the End Times. 488 00:25:59,630 --> 00:26:04,990 S1: But starting with the rapture (877) 548-3675 and Rosie from Iowa 489 00:26:05,030 --> 00:26:08,070 S1: has asked a wonderful question about the first second. And 490 00:26:08,109 --> 00:26:10,630 S1: is there a third return of Jesus? So take it away, Todd. 491 00:26:10,670 --> 00:26:11,750 S1: This is a great question. 492 00:26:12,109 --> 00:26:14,869 S6: It really is. Rosie's a theologian. You got a lot 493 00:26:14,910 --> 00:26:19,070 S6: of smart callers these days. Um, and that's a great question. 494 00:26:19,070 --> 00:26:22,030 S6: And first, let me just say it is a complex issue. 495 00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:24,310 S6: I'll make this real short. Then I'll answer the question. 496 00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:28,419 S6: You know, the doctrine of salvation. John 316 A child 497 00:26:28,420 --> 00:26:31,820 S6: can understand that. But when it comes to broader theological 498 00:26:31,820 --> 00:26:36,980 S6: themes like the Trinity or soteriology, or any big ology, 499 00:26:36,980 --> 00:26:40,220 S6: including eschatology, it does take a lot of work to 500 00:26:40,260 --> 00:26:42,980 S6: put the pieces together. So I don't at all want 501 00:26:42,980 --> 00:26:45,620 S6: to paint the picture like I have one easy package 502 00:26:45,780 --> 00:26:48,380 S6: passage and I have all the answers. It really does 503 00:26:48,380 --> 00:26:51,300 S6: take some work, so I'll admit that. But to answer 504 00:26:51,340 --> 00:26:54,979 S6: Rosie's great question, I think it's important to realize a 505 00:26:54,980 --> 00:26:58,300 S6: couple things. One, the first coming kind of had two parts, 506 00:26:58,300 --> 00:27:00,380 S6: if you think about it. There's, you know, a lot 507 00:27:00,420 --> 00:27:04,340 S6: of big deal made of the birth, the incarnation. And 508 00:27:04,380 --> 00:27:06,140 S6: then you kind of have a gap other than one 509 00:27:06,140 --> 00:27:09,020 S6: little vignette of Jesus as a 13 year old at 510 00:27:09,020 --> 00:27:11,340 S6: the temple or 12 year old at the temple, and 511 00:27:11,340 --> 00:27:13,379 S6: then you go all the way to when he was, 512 00:27:13,420 --> 00:27:15,940 S6: you know, about 30 and started his ministry in the death, 513 00:27:15,940 --> 00:27:19,060 S6: burial and resurrection. So he came once. But there's kind 514 00:27:19,060 --> 00:27:21,740 S6: of two focuses there. And I think that's that gives 515 00:27:21,740 --> 00:27:24,980 S6: us a little bit of precedent. But the biggest difference 516 00:27:24,980 --> 00:27:27,330 S6: that I think we can point to is that in 517 00:27:27,369 --> 00:27:30,730 S6: that key rapture passage in first Thessalonians, it says very 518 00:27:30,730 --> 00:27:34,050 S6: clearly that we who are still alive will be caught 519 00:27:34,050 --> 00:27:37,010 S6: up together to meet the Lord in the air, and 520 00:27:37,010 --> 00:27:38,889 S6: we will ever be with him. And this mirrors the 521 00:27:38,890 --> 00:27:42,330 S6: language of John 14, where he says, I'm coming to 522 00:27:42,330 --> 00:27:45,170 S6: get you, to take you to the father's house, and 523 00:27:45,170 --> 00:27:49,690 S6: then couple that or contrast that with Zechariah 14 four, 524 00:27:49,930 --> 00:27:52,570 S6: where it says, at the return his feet will touch 525 00:27:52,570 --> 00:27:55,010 S6: down on the Mount of Olives. So I think that 526 00:27:55,010 --> 00:27:58,570 S6: is the actual return. The rapture is the end of 527 00:27:58,570 --> 00:28:00,570 S6: the church age, so to speak. And the rapture was 528 00:28:00,570 --> 00:28:04,250 S6: a mystery until Paul was given that mystery and revealed 529 00:28:04,250 --> 00:28:07,370 S6: it in his letter. So it is a confusing topic 530 00:28:07,369 --> 00:28:09,650 S6: and there's a lot of moving parts, I'll admit that, 531 00:28:09,650 --> 00:28:11,490 S6: but that's the best way I could answer that. And 532 00:28:11,490 --> 00:28:15,250 S6: then after his return is when there's a 75 day 533 00:28:15,450 --> 00:28:18,770 S6: gap period or preparatory period for the Kingdom. We read 534 00:28:18,770 --> 00:28:20,609 S6: about that in the book of Daniel, and then I 535 00:28:20,609 --> 00:28:23,170 S6: believe we go into the kingdom for a thousand years. 536 00:28:23,530 --> 00:28:26,919 S6: So again, a lot of moving parts, but great question Rosie. 537 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,280 S1: Thank you Rosie. You get us thinking, I appreciate it. Cynthia, 538 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,000 S1: I'm going to welcome you from Florida. Thank you for 539 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:37,919 S1: your patience and your question, please. Cynthia, are you there? 540 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:39,520 S8: Yes. 541 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,680 S1: Thank you. We'd love your question, please. 542 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,920 S14: Oh. Thank you. Um, I would just like Todd's take 543 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,880 S14: on the verse that says, pray that you may be 544 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:54,000 S14: counted worthy to escape the tribulation. Does that mean that 545 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,800 S14: maybe God hasn't decided yet when the rapture will take place? 546 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,320 S14: Does it depend on our prayers? 547 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,760 S6: Uh, well, I think the Lord does know the day 548 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,720 S6: and the hour, even though we don't. And even though 549 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,920 S6: when Jesus was here, he said he even didn't even 550 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,240 S6: know the day or the hour. Um, but I think, uh, 551 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,560 S6: there's a certain context there, and I'd have to look 552 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,239 S6: at that. I think that might be the if it's 553 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,160 S6: the one I'm thinking of, it might be the context 554 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:22,120 S6: of they're looking at, um, uh, the is that for 555 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,150 S6: the seven, the letters to the seven churches. And if so, 556 00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:27,790 S6: I think he's just praying and hinting at the fact 557 00:29:27,790 --> 00:29:29,910 S6: that you will be out of here before the rapture 558 00:29:29,910 --> 00:29:32,310 S6: takes place. But I'd have to know that exact passage, 559 00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:34,470 S6: because there's a couple similar ones, and there's a little 560 00:29:34,510 --> 00:29:36,950 S6: bit different context for both, but one that you could 561 00:29:36,990 --> 00:29:38,910 S6: bounce that with is the one I mentioned at the 562 00:29:38,910 --> 00:29:42,430 S6: top of the show. Revelation 310 makes it really clear 563 00:29:42,430 --> 00:29:45,110 S6: that we will be removed, that the church will be 564 00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:49,270 S6: removed from the earth before the hour of trial comes 565 00:29:49,270 --> 00:29:50,270 S6: on the whole world. 566 00:29:51,070 --> 00:29:53,430 S1: Thank you. Cynthia, I'm so glad you were part of this. 567 00:29:53,470 --> 00:29:55,350 S1: Let me turn to you, Ronald in Florida. Thanks for 568 00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:56,830 S1: being here. Your question please. 569 00:29:58,790 --> 00:30:02,950 S15: Um, yes. I know that people constantly talk about First 570 00:30:02,950 --> 00:30:06,510 S15: Thessalonians and the order of the rapture. However, almost no 571 00:30:06,510 --> 00:30:10,270 S15: one seems to go into Second Thessalonians in chapter two, 572 00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:13,390 S15: verses one, where it says, we beseech you, brethren, by 573 00:30:13,390 --> 00:30:16,310 S15: the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering 574 00:30:16,350 --> 00:30:20,350 S15: together unto him the rapture. Verse three says, these things 575 00:30:20,350 --> 00:30:23,660 S15: will not happen until there comes a great falling away 576 00:30:23,660 --> 00:30:26,580 S15: and the man of sin is revealed. And if we 577 00:30:26,580 --> 00:30:29,660 S15: go to Daniel chapter nine, we find, I think in 578 00:30:29,660 --> 00:30:33,540 S15: verse 27, that the man of sin will be revealed, uh, 579 00:30:33,540 --> 00:30:36,460 S15: at in the midst of Daniel's 70th week. That's three 580 00:30:36,460 --> 00:30:41,260 S15: and a half years or 42 months into the Daniel's or, uh, 581 00:30:41,260 --> 00:30:46,660 S15: pardon me, um, the 70th week. So, uh, the, uh, 582 00:30:46,660 --> 00:30:50,780 S15: pre-trib position cannot possibly be right if your hermeneutic includes 583 00:30:50,780 --> 00:30:54,060 S15: just taking things at face value. And what do you 584 00:30:54,060 --> 00:30:54,820 S15: say to that? 585 00:30:55,780 --> 00:30:59,380 S6: Yeah. That's a that's a great question. And I love 586 00:30:59,620 --> 00:31:02,219 S6: learning from other believers and hearing their perspective because it 587 00:31:02,220 --> 00:31:04,420 S6: helps us all to get sharper. So thank you for 588 00:31:04,420 --> 00:31:08,300 S6: sharing that. I would say that that passage in second Thess, 589 00:31:08,340 --> 00:31:12,100 S6: like the context of Second Thessalonians is Paul had the 590 00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:14,860 S6: right to a letter because there was so much persecution 591 00:31:14,860 --> 00:31:18,100 S6: going on. They thought they were currently in the day 592 00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:21,180 S6: of the Lord or the seven year tribulation period. So 593 00:31:21,180 --> 00:31:24,340 S6: Paul was writing them and he basically was saying, remember 594 00:31:24,380 --> 00:31:27,020 S6: what I taught you? And then he said, as for 595 00:31:27,020 --> 00:31:29,740 S6: the timing of the rapture, but he's talking about he's 596 00:31:29,740 --> 00:31:31,980 S6: talking he's setting the context for the day of the Lord. 597 00:31:31,980 --> 00:31:34,620 S6: He said that day, the day of the Lord will 598 00:31:34,620 --> 00:31:37,140 S6: not come. So he's not equating the two, but he's 599 00:31:37,140 --> 00:31:39,140 S6: saying the day of the Lord will not come. That 600 00:31:39,140 --> 00:31:43,660 S6: seven year period will not start until, uh, the the 601 00:31:43,820 --> 00:31:46,980 S6: restrainer is removed. And I believe the I believe that's 602 00:31:46,980 --> 00:31:48,979 S6: the depiction of the rapture in that passage is the 603 00:31:48,980 --> 00:31:52,100 S6: removal of the restrainer. And he says, and then the 604 00:31:52,140 --> 00:31:58,020 S6: Antichrist will be revealed. And regarding the the Daniel nine passage, um, 605 00:31:58,020 --> 00:32:02,660 S6: I believe Daniel 927 is all the the 70th week 606 00:32:02,660 --> 00:32:06,180 S6: starts with the the ruler who will come to make 607 00:32:06,220 --> 00:32:09,780 S6: AA7 year covenant. So the moment he signed the ink 608 00:32:09,780 --> 00:32:13,500 S6: dries on that seven year covenant that actually officially starts 609 00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:16,500 S6: the seven year tribulation period. So that's how I would 610 00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:20,410 S6: address those two from my perspective. But love your question. 611 00:32:21,210 --> 00:32:24,050 S1: Gail in Florida. Thank you for being here. Your question please. 612 00:32:24,650 --> 00:32:26,890 S16: Yes. Thank you for taking my call. My first time 613 00:32:26,890 --> 00:32:31,530 S16: caller to any show, actually. Thank you. In my 82 years, 614 00:32:31,530 --> 00:32:34,490 S16: I've held all the different positions. I want to know. 615 00:32:35,250 --> 00:32:39,290 S16: I want to know if mid-trip is possible. And the 616 00:32:39,290 --> 00:32:43,490 S16: only reason I ask that is because I feel that 617 00:32:43,770 --> 00:32:46,530 S16: I'm leaning towards that. Because I feel that the first 618 00:32:46,530 --> 00:32:48,770 S16: three and a half years we will go through the 619 00:32:48,770 --> 00:32:51,250 S16: wrath of man, but the last three and a half 620 00:32:51,290 --> 00:32:52,930 S16: years will be the wrath of God, and I don't 621 00:32:52,930 --> 00:32:56,290 S16: believe anyone can withstand that. So that's my question. 622 00:32:56,970 --> 00:32:59,890 S6: That's that's a great question. And I appreciate your, your 623 00:32:59,930 --> 00:33:01,690 S6: the fact that you've been digging in and trying to 624 00:33:01,690 --> 00:33:05,090 S6: figure it out. So yeah, I would say, um, the 625 00:33:05,090 --> 00:33:08,930 S6: idea that God's wrath doesn't start until further in the, 626 00:33:08,930 --> 00:33:13,610 S6: the judgments, I would say I remind people that Jesus himself, 627 00:33:13,610 --> 00:33:16,890 S6: the lamb, is the one who's opening the seals. So 628 00:33:16,890 --> 00:33:20,400 S6: I believe from the very first seal judgment. It's called 629 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,160 S6: a seal judgment, I believe. Those are all the judgments. Now, 630 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,040 S6: when you look at those particular judgments, they are kind 631 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,200 S6: of like a Romans one judgment where God is just 632 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,440 S6: taking his hands off the wheel and saying, okay, let 633 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,840 S6: mankind do what he's going to do. But that is 634 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,040 S6: actually God's judgment. You see, in the Old Testament, God 635 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,720 S6: often used foreign nations to judge Israel or Judah, so 636 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,320 S6: he wouldn't. It wasn't always hellfire and brimstone and plagues 637 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,560 S6: and all that. Sometimes he would just take his hands 638 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,520 S6: off the wheel and let nations do what they're going 639 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,880 S6: to do. But it's still known as God's judgment. So 640 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,600 S6: I would say from seal judgment one all the way 641 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,680 S6: to the final 21. 21st judgment. Those are all the 642 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,920 S6: wrath of God. There's just different levels of intensity. And 643 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,960 S6: another couple thoughts. Gail, I think it's important to know 644 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,280 S6: anywhere where the Lord's return is mentioned in the new 645 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,240 S6: New Testament. And I have a list in the book. 646 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,000 S6: It's always spoken of as if it could happen at 647 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,790 S6: any moment with no preconceived notions, no signs, nothing. It 648 00:34:17,790 --> 00:34:20,590 S6: could just come out of the blue. That can't happen 649 00:34:20,590 --> 00:34:23,589 S6: if we're looking for the first seven judgments or even 650 00:34:23,590 --> 00:34:26,230 S6: the first judgment or the Antichrist to come on the scene. 651 00:34:26,390 --> 00:34:29,109 S6: All of those things are technically signs that would let 652 00:34:29,110 --> 00:34:32,750 S6: us know the rapture is then coming, but the pre-trib 653 00:34:32,910 --> 00:34:35,350 S6: position is the only one that holds to the doctrine 654 00:34:35,390 --> 00:34:38,870 S6: of imminency that aligns with Scripture, that the Lord could 655 00:34:38,870 --> 00:34:41,590 S6: literally come at any moment, and we have to always 656 00:34:41,630 --> 00:34:44,589 S6: be ready. Even Paul said, we who are alive will 657 00:34:44,590 --> 00:34:46,549 S6: be caught up. So he even thought he was going 658 00:34:46,590 --> 00:34:48,870 S6: to be in the rapture in the first century. So 659 00:34:48,870 --> 00:34:51,710 S6: that was the attitude he had as well. Um, but 660 00:34:51,710 --> 00:34:54,629 S6: I give my top ten reasons in the book, I think. Gail, 661 00:34:54,630 --> 00:34:58,190 S6: you'd be blessed by those. Uh, doctor Walvoord has 50 reasons, 662 00:34:58,190 --> 00:35:00,390 S6: but I know people have other reasons to not hold 663 00:35:00,390 --> 00:35:03,350 S6: my position, so I understand that as well. 664 00:35:04,030 --> 00:35:06,430 S1: Thank you, Gail, so much. I appreciate you being here, 665 00:35:06,469 --> 00:35:09,590 S1: Emmanuel in Indiana. Thanks for being here. Your question please. 666 00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:13,510 S17: Yeah. I have one very simple question. How do you 667 00:35:13,550 --> 00:35:21,140 S17: reconcile supposedly having two first resurrections. Thessalonians 416 at the 668 00:35:21,140 --> 00:35:23,140 S17: end of it says, and the dead in Christ will 669 00:35:23,140 --> 00:35:27,580 S17: rise first. And the last line of text in revelation 670 00:35:27,580 --> 00:35:31,259 S17: 25 says, and the dead will rise first. How can 671 00:35:31,260 --> 00:35:33,140 S17: you have two first resurrections? 672 00:35:33,980 --> 00:35:38,620 S6: So I believe Scripture teaches there's two types of resurrections. 673 00:35:38,620 --> 00:35:43,500 S6: There's a a believer's resurrection, and there's an unbelievers resurrection. 674 00:35:43,780 --> 00:35:45,940 S6: Matter of fact, the first place in Scripture that a 675 00:35:45,940 --> 00:35:48,660 S6: resurrection is mentioned is in the book of Daniel. And 676 00:35:48,660 --> 00:35:51,980 S6: I believe that takes place. I think what happens is 677 00:35:51,980 --> 00:35:56,859 S6: the church is removed via the rapture slash resurrection for 678 00:35:56,860 --> 00:35:59,259 S6: the church age. Again, the church was a mystery in 679 00:35:59,260 --> 00:36:02,299 S6: the Old Testament until it was given to Paul. We 680 00:36:02,300 --> 00:36:04,100 S6: see hints of it in the Old Testament. Even in 681 00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:07,460 S6: Daniel nine. There's there's a gap between the destruction of 682 00:36:07,460 --> 00:36:11,900 S6: one sanctuary and the and the stopping of the sacrifices 683 00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:14,100 S6: in another. So there's a mysterious gap there. We now 684 00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:16,450 S6: know as the church age. I believe what ends the 685 00:36:16,450 --> 00:36:19,250 S6: church age is the church resurrection at the end of 686 00:36:19,250 --> 00:36:22,010 S6: the tribulation period, I believe, is the Old Testament saints 687 00:36:22,010 --> 00:36:25,930 S6: resurrection so they can enter the kingdom and fulfill those prophecies. 688 00:36:26,210 --> 00:36:31,090 S6: Then there's a second type of resurrection the unbelievers resurrection 689 00:36:31,090 --> 00:36:33,410 S6: at the great White Throne judgment we read about in 690 00:36:33,410 --> 00:36:34,450 S6: revelation 20. 691 00:36:35,330 --> 00:36:37,690 S1: Thank you for the question. And boy, what a wonderful 692 00:36:37,690 --> 00:36:40,450 S1: reason for you to get Todd's newest book, The Nonprofit's 693 00:36:40,489 --> 00:36:43,850 S1: Guide to the rapture. It's right there on my information page. 694 00:36:43,850 --> 00:36:47,129 S1: Just go to In the Market with Janet. Click on 695 00:36:47,130 --> 00:36:49,890 S1: the red box that says Program Details and Audio. It'll 696 00:36:49,890 --> 00:36:51,609 S1: get you to the information page. You can click on 697 00:36:51,610 --> 00:36:53,930 S1: through to find the book. Back with Todd Hampson right 698 00:36:53,930 --> 00:37:09,969 S1: after this. Todd Hampson is with us. He is the 699 00:37:09,969 --> 00:37:14,009 S1: man behind the Non Profits guide book series. They are 700 00:37:14,010 --> 00:37:16,450 S1: fabulous and there's a bunch of them. His latest is 701 00:37:16,450 --> 00:37:19,410 S1: called The Nonprofit's Guide to the rapture. But there's a 702 00:37:19,410 --> 00:37:21,489 S1: whole lot more where that came from, so check them out, 703 00:37:21,489 --> 00:37:23,250 S1: because if you've got questions and boy, I tell you, 704 00:37:23,250 --> 00:37:25,529 S1: a lot of people do have questions. I'm taking them 705 00:37:25,530 --> 00:37:27,569 S1: as fast as I can. But this is a good 706 00:37:27,570 --> 00:37:29,450 S1: reason for you to read Todd's books, because he does 707 00:37:29,450 --> 00:37:34,450 S1: this wonderful way of laying out in clear English eschatology. 708 00:37:34,489 --> 00:37:37,569 S1: I made a great point before about and I when 709 00:37:37,570 --> 00:37:41,730 S1: you talk about theology, eschatology, um, it is the study 710 00:37:41,730 --> 00:37:43,890 S1: of that's what it is. And so he lays this 711 00:37:43,890 --> 00:37:48,530 S1: out chronologically, helps you understand overlapping events, the order of events, 712 00:37:48,570 --> 00:37:51,569 S1: key players in the events. I think it's fabulous. And 713 00:37:51,570 --> 00:37:54,330 S1: it is also, I think, a way of wooing you 714 00:37:54,330 --> 00:37:57,170 S1: into reading the book of revelation. There are pastors who 715 00:37:57,170 --> 00:37:59,410 S1: won't even touch that book for that. I can't give 716 00:37:59,410 --> 00:38:02,010 S1: an explanation why. I mean, it's the whole counsel of God, 717 00:38:02,010 --> 00:38:04,810 S1: and you hold out all of it from Genesis to Revelation. 718 00:38:04,810 --> 00:38:07,730 S1: And if it's there, God wanted us to be edified 719 00:38:07,730 --> 00:38:09,569 S1: and instructed by what we would read in that book 720 00:38:09,570 --> 00:38:12,009 S1: as well. It's not only that. It's an exciting book. 721 00:38:12,010 --> 00:38:14,240 S1: It's one of the most exciting books in Scripture, so 722 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,319 S1: Todd's books will help you walk through all of that. 723 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,120 S1: And I'm going to welcome you in Indiana. And I 724 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,000 S1: bet you're going to ask a question that Todd gets 725 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,040 S1: asked about a million times. And I'm so glad you're 726 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,360 S1: going to ask it. So go ahead. 727 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:29,600 S18: So I'm just curious, biblically or geographically, the Bible was 728 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,080 S18: written on the other side of the world is America 729 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,520 S18: or North America. Is there anything alluded to the fact 730 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,720 S18: that it's going to be around in revelation? 731 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,719 S6: That's that's a great question, actually. Jeff Kinley, uh, my good, 732 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,719 S6: my good friend has a book called The End of 733 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,480 S6: America Question mark. And he kind of addresses all the 734 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,680 S6: passages that that people try to say are in Scripture 735 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,160 S6: about America and what it could be. And but so 736 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,600 S6: that's a good holistic approach. But no, I would say 737 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,280 S6: there's nowhere that overtly discusses it. I think, you know, biblically, 738 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,520 S6: Jerusalem is the center of the world. Israel is the 739 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,560 S6: center of the world. The closest thing we have, I think, 740 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,919 S6: in Ezekiel 38, it talks about the merchants of Tarshish, 741 00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:14,629 S6: Tarshish was Spain, and I think the way it's written 742 00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:17,670 S6: and the way it's, um, presented there, I think that 743 00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:21,070 S6: could mean kind of all of the Western nations, Western Europe, 744 00:39:21,070 --> 00:39:24,910 S6: and even possibly America, the Americas. Uh, but there's nowhere 745 00:39:24,910 --> 00:39:29,469 S6: that that directly speaks of America, because America wasn't in 746 00:39:29,469 --> 00:39:33,030 S6: existence back then. Um, so I think that's the key thing. Uh, 747 00:39:33,070 --> 00:39:37,710 S6: except for possibly the end of, of the tribulation period, 748 00:39:37,710 --> 00:39:40,870 S6: when it says all nations will be gathered in Armageddon 749 00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:44,950 S6: to fight against, uh, the Messiah. So that may be 750 00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:48,670 S6: the only place where America is included. But certain passages, 751 00:39:48,670 --> 00:39:51,830 S6: like there's a passage that says Israel will be protected 752 00:39:51,830 --> 00:39:54,189 S6: like eagle's wings. And people say, well, it's an eagle, 753 00:39:54,190 --> 00:39:57,509 S6: so it's an it's America. No, eagles are always seen 754 00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:59,989 S6: as God's protection. So you have to you have to 755 00:39:59,989 --> 00:40:03,630 S6: interpret Scripture with Scripture, not modern day geography. 756 00:40:03,989 --> 00:40:05,870 S1: And things would be a whole lot different if we'd 757 00:40:05,870 --> 00:40:08,430 S1: gone with Ben Franklin's suggestion that the turkey be the 758 00:40:08,430 --> 00:40:11,420 S1: national bird as opposed to the eagle. But I digress. 759 00:40:12,980 --> 00:40:13,780 S6: Great question. 760 00:40:13,780 --> 00:40:14,100 S8: Though. 761 00:40:14,540 --> 00:40:16,460 S1: Let me turn to Jim. Jim, thank you for being 762 00:40:16,460 --> 00:40:17,820 S1: with us. Your question please. 763 00:40:18,540 --> 00:40:20,100 S19: Eagles are always seen as guns. 764 00:40:20,140 --> 00:40:22,540 S1: Hi, Jim. You got your radio there. There you go. 765 00:40:22,540 --> 00:40:24,580 S1: Thanks for turning it down. We'd love your question. 766 00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:29,660 S20: Hi. I was just wondering if Faith needed to make 767 00:40:29,660 --> 00:40:34,739 S20: the rapture because some churches teach post-trib and mid-trib. But 768 00:40:34,739 --> 00:40:40,259 S20: for pre-trib, is faith actually needed? Or just if you 769 00:40:40,260 --> 00:40:43,700 S20: believe in Christ, you'll you'll make it anyway. 770 00:40:44,620 --> 00:40:48,660 S6: That's a great question. And actually this that question is 771 00:40:48,660 --> 00:40:53,100 S6: the collision of eschatology and soteriology, because it has to 772 00:40:53,100 --> 00:40:55,940 S6: do with how you view your salvation. If we truly 773 00:40:55,940 --> 00:40:58,339 S6: believe that none of us are good enough to get 774 00:40:58,340 --> 00:41:00,700 S6: to God, and that's the whole reason why Jesus died 775 00:41:00,700 --> 00:41:03,860 S6: on the cross, and Paul even says we will all 776 00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:07,460 S6: be changed, meaning all believers. There's no super Christians. There's 777 00:41:07,460 --> 00:41:11,569 S6: no super spiritual Christians. If you are in Christ, you 778 00:41:11,570 --> 00:41:14,609 S6: will be taken in the rapture. And that's one thing 779 00:41:14,610 --> 00:41:17,210 S6: I hear some people. Some people have told me the 780 00:41:17,210 --> 00:41:19,250 S6: reason the church has to go through some or all 781 00:41:19,290 --> 00:41:22,489 S6: of the tribulation is to purify the church. And my 782 00:41:22,489 --> 00:41:24,810 S6: response to that is, well, we can't get any more 783 00:41:24,850 --> 00:41:27,250 S6: pure than we already are in Christ. When he died 784 00:41:27,250 --> 00:41:31,530 S6: on the cross, he said, it is finished. To to die. 785 00:41:31,570 --> 00:41:34,530 S6: So he he covered it all. We're completely covered in Christ. 786 00:41:34,570 --> 00:41:37,730 S6: God sees us as righteous. All believers will go. Now, 787 00:41:37,730 --> 00:41:39,930 S6: I do believe there's a Bema Seat, so there's a 788 00:41:39,930 --> 00:41:42,730 S6: rewards question about how we live our life for the Lord. 789 00:41:42,730 --> 00:41:45,930 S6: But but in terms of us being righteous before God, 790 00:41:45,930 --> 00:41:47,810 S6: all believers will go in the rapture. 791 00:41:48,290 --> 00:41:48,690 S8: Hmm. 792 00:41:48,850 --> 00:41:51,610 S1: If I can piggyback on your very excellent question, Jim, 793 00:41:51,610 --> 00:41:54,610 S1: it's another reason why these conversations are so tremendously important. 794 00:41:54,610 --> 00:41:57,890 S1: Because Jesus could return before sunset tonight, or he might 795 00:41:57,890 --> 00:42:00,370 S1: not come back for a thousand years. But the point is, 796 00:42:00,370 --> 00:42:02,969 S1: it's going to end for every single one of us. 797 00:42:02,969 --> 00:42:06,490 S1: Which raises the question, where will I go when I die? 798 00:42:06,570 --> 00:42:08,560 S1: You don't want to wait until the rapture to make 799 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,440 S1: sure you've got enough faith. You want to be ready 800 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,000 S1: right this minute. Todd, am I right? 801 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,839 S6: Amen. Amen. Absolutely. And that's the beauty. If you are 802 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,960 S6: in Christ, if you have accepted him, you are saved. 803 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,359 S6: You can't lose it. You're locked in. He has adopted you. 804 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,359 S6: He sees you as righteous, and you will be taken 805 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,560 S6: in the rapture. But yeah, don't wait till you see 806 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,280 S6: some signs. If you are feeling the Lord and you're 807 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,120 S6: wondering if you need to accept him, you do need 808 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,760 S6: accept him. Please accept him today. 809 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,400 S1: Yes, most important question you'll ever be asked. Who is this? Jesus. 810 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,600 S1: Let me go on with the phones if I can. Jennifer, 811 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,080 S1: you're in Iowa. Thanks for being here. Your question please. 812 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,840 S21: Yes. Thank you for taking my call. Um, so does 813 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,160 S21: the Holy Spirit leave with the church, and if so, 814 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,800 S21: then how will people get saved after the rapture? 815 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,839 S6: That's a great question, Jennifer. And just to backfill that 816 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,320 S6: a little bit, uh, second Thess two, she's probably referring 817 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,960 S6: to that where the Holy Spirit indwelt church is removed. 818 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,280 S6: But of course, the Holy Spirit is the third person 819 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,399 S6: of the Godhead. He's omniscient. He's omnipresent. He can't. He 820 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:13,560 S6: can't be removed from from anywhere but the unique indwelling 821 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,040 S6: of the church age that we experience that will be removed. 822 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,720 S6: And we're called the salt and light. So we're actually 823 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,440 S6: holding back the tide of evil. And that's part of 824 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,120 S6: why it can't collapse in yet. And the Antichrist can't 825 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,120 S6: be revealed. But once the Holy Spirit Indwelled church is removed, 826 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,120 S6: then all evil will be able to kind of crash in. 827 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,319 S6: But no, the Holy Spirit will still be here and 828 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,160 S6: will still be active after that. But for at least 829 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,920 S6: a momentary time there will be no salt and light, 830 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,280 S6: no presence of the Lord restraining evil. 831 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:43,360 S8: Wow, wow. 832 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,479 S1: That's something to think about. I'm going to squeeze one 833 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,640 S1: more in. Mark, you're in Alabama. Thanks for being here. 834 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:48,680 S1: Your question please. 835 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,479 S22: Do you have any indication from Scripture about what will 836 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,000 S22: happen to children at the rapture? 837 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,040 S1: There's a good question. What happens to children? 838 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,799 S6: Todd Yes, great question. And I'll give you the quick 839 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,799 S6: short answer. There's no specific verse that says it, but 840 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,989 S6: I believe there's a lot of indicators we could look 841 00:44:05,989 --> 00:44:09,070 S6: at in the Old and New Testament that that God 842 00:44:09,070 --> 00:44:11,669 S6: loves children, that those who are innocent and have not 843 00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:14,710 S6: sinned will be taken in the rapture as well. You know, 844 00:44:14,750 --> 00:44:17,430 S6: Jesus said, let the children come to me. Such is 845 00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:20,470 S6: of the kingdom of heaven. And there's other evidence as well. 846 00:44:20,469 --> 00:44:23,029 S6: So and I think that aligns with God's heart, but 847 00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:26,310 S6: there's no specific verse that tells us really clearly exactly 848 00:44:26,310 --> 00:44:27,150 S6: what happens there. 849 00:44:27,230 --> 00:44:27,750 S8: Mhm. 850 00:44:28,110 --> 00:44:30,230 S1: Thank you so much for all of your questions. My 851 00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:32,469 S1: deepest regrets for those of you who haven't gotten on 852 00:44:32,469 --> 00:44:34,430 S1: the air. Todd, that's a reminder to me. I can't 853 00:44:34,430 --> 00:44:36,390 S1: wait for the next time we're going to get together. 854 00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:39,469 S1: In the meantime, why don't you listen to Todd's fabulous podcast? 855 00:44:39,469 --> 00:44:43,029 S1: You can go wherever you download podcasts and download Prophecy 856 00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:47,310 S1: Pros podcast, Todd Hampson, Jeff Kinley or the co-host for that. 857 00:44:47,310 --> 00:44:50,350 S1: And by the way, once you get into this non-profit 858 00:44:50,469 --> 00:44:52,830 S1: guide series, trust me, you're not going to want to 859 00:44:52,830 --> 00:44:54,870 S1: get out. There's a whole bunch. Start with the one 860 00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:57,390 S1: we talked about today, the rapture, right there on our website. 861 00:44:57,390 --> 00:44:59,350 S1: Blessings to you, Todd. Thanks, friends. We'll see you next 862 00:44:59,350 --> 00:45:01,310 S1: time on In the Market with Janet Parshall.