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Well, God wasn't impressed by that. 11 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:38,239 S4: Even if other people were. 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,080 S2: The gospel changes everything. 13 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,519 S5: Freedom in Christ. Man, it's like that backpack of cement 14 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,440 S5: just falling to the ground. 15 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,920 S1: Now, from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:51,519 S1: and crew. 17 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:52,680 S3: Oh my. 18 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:53,680 S1: Goodness. 19 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,000 S6: Hey, this is Carl with Carl and crew. I don't 20 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,870 S6: know how to describe it. Ask the experts. What do 21 00:00:59,870 --> 00:01:00,710 S6: you say, Ali? 22 00:01:00,750 --> 00:01:06,069 S4: Oh, boy. I mean, if you missed Monday. Wow. I mean, 23 00:01:06,230 --> 00:01:09,590 S4: can we just. Can we just talk about Monday? We 24 00:01:09,630 --> 00:01:13,510 S4: had a whole hour with Doctor Drew Dickens answering questions 25 00:01:13,510 --> 00:01:18,470 S4: on all things AI. Greg Dempster joined us next from 26 00:01:18,470 --> 00:01:22,030 S4: Christ's Life Ministries. Really tackling the practical. What do you 27 00:01:22,030 --> 00:01:24,310 S4: do when you're stuck in different cycles? How do you 28 00:01:24,550 --> 00:01:29,750 S4: really practically renew your mind, live a transformed, victorious life 29 00:01:30,030 --> 00:01:33,990 S4: and then cap it off with Doctor Robert Lewis? Was 30 00:01:33,990 --> 00:01:38,110 S4: everything biblical manhood, and there were some kind of a 31 00:01:38,110 --> 00:01:42,350 S4: surprise element that was for women in there because there were. 32 00:01:43,310 --> 00:01:48,190 S6: Yeah. And and you're, you're self-effacement and willing to be 33 00:01:48,190 --> 00:01:52,230 S6: as open and honest as you were was epic. Uh, look, 34 00:01:52,270 --> 00:01:54,670 S6: banner ad here. You got to get the show cast 35 00:01:54,710 --> 00:01:57,950 S6: just for yesterday and then get subscribed Text show to 36 00:01:57,990 --> 00:02:07,550 S6: 800 555 7898. Just text show to 800 555 7898. 37 00:02:07,870 --> 00:02:13,389 S6: Coming up. The beat goes on. Doctor Sam Storms joining us. 38 00:02:13,550 --> 00:02:14,470 S6: Straight ahead. 39 00:02:15,270 --> 00:02:18,390 S1: Get your info from a source you can trust. It's 40 00:02:18,430 --> 00:02:20,910 S1: Ask the Experts week with Carl and crew. 41 00:02:20,950 --> 00:02:23,870 S6: Well, we're a bit gobsmacked, as we were just saying 42 00:02:23,870 --> 00:02:26,310 S6: about what God has already doing this week. And we're 43 00:02:26,310 --> 00:02:28,630 S6: just in Tuesday here. Ali. 44 00:02:28,669 --> 00:02:31,190 S4: Yeah, we've got a full week, a full lineup of 45 00:02:31,190 --> 00:02:35,429 S4: different experts and topics. Ask the experts is what we've 46 00:02:35,430 --> 00:02:37,989 S4: called it, and it's back by popular demand right now. 47 00:02:38,030 --> 00:02:41,750 S4: Doctor Sam Storms, joining us, founder and president of Enjoying 48 00:02:41,750 --> 00:02:45,590 S4: God Ministries, serves on the Council of the Gospel Coalition. 49 00:02:45,630 --> 00:02:48,350 S4: We're going to be talking primarily this hour about the 50 00:02:48,389 --> 00:02:49,549 S4: work of the Holy Spirit. 51 00:02:49,590 --> 00:02:51,990 S6: Yeah. And what a church looks like when it comes 52 00:02:51,990 --> 00:02:55,340 S6: alive in that. All right, Sam, let's just buckle up 53 00:02:55,340 --> 00:02:59,740 S6: and go for it here. Uh, look, we've discussed this before, 54 00:02:59,740 --> 00:03:04,380 S6: but it's worth going there again. We've got we had 55 00:03:04,380 --> 00:03:09,620 S6: in the 70s and 80s kind of these polarization between, uh, 56 00:03:09,620 --> 00:03:12,700 S6: churches that focus on the Holy Spirit and those that didn't. 57 00:03:13,060 --> 00:03:17,500 S6: And then there's been, praise be to God, a coming together. 58 00:03:17,500 --> 00:03:21,940 S6: There's been a convergence of those. What kept us separate 59 00:03:22,220 --> 00:03:25,300 S6: and what is the high ridge that's going to bring 60 00:03:25,300 --> 00:03:29,260 S6: the Holy Spirit to the forefront for all that he is? 61 00:03:29,260 --> 00:03:32,140 S6: It's not a it. He's here listening right now and 62 00:03:32,139 --> 00:03:34,020 S6: guiding our conversation. Sam. 63 00:03:34,300 --> 00:03:37,540 S7: Yes he is. And I think you're right. We have seen, 64 00:03:37,820 --> 00:03:40,180 S7: I think, in the last 20 or 30 years, really 65 00:03:40,180 --> 00:03:44,020 S7: beginning in the early 90s, just a reformation in the 66 00:03:44,020 --> 00:03:46,260 S7: way the church thinks about the Holy Spirit. I think 67 00:03:46,260 --> 00:03:48,500 S7: part of the reason for that is that we've dealt 68 00:03:48,500 --> 00:03:51,420 S7: with the reasons why he was neglected for so long, 69 00:03:51,780 --> 00:03:54,020 S7: for example, about how we refer to the spirit. We 70 00:03:54,020 --> 00:03:57,020 S7: call him the third person of the Trinity. We think, oh, well, 71 00:03:57,260 --> 00:03:59,620 S7: he's only third. He's less important than the first and 72 00:03:59,620 --> 00:04:02,460 S7: the second. And the fact of the matter is, the 73 00:04:02,460 --> 00:04:05,580 S7: Bible nowhere calls the Holy Spirit the third person. They 74 00:04:05,620 --> 00:04:09,500 S7: are all co-equal in dignity and deity and power. And 75 00:04:09,500 --> 00:04:11,940 S7: then I think also, one of the obstacles we face 76 00:04:11,940 --> 00:04:14,540 S7: for so long was the word ghost. You know, even 77 00:04:14,540 --> 00:04:17,380 S7: in the doxology that we still sing, it's father, son 78 00:04:17,380 --> 00:04:20,220 S7: and Holy Ghost. And people say, I don't know if 79 00:04:20,220 --> 00:04:23,260 S7: I want a relationship with a ghost like Casper the 80 00:04:23,260 --> 00:04:23,980 S7: Friendly Ghost. 81 00:04:24,020 --> 00:04:24,539 S6: Right. 82 00:04:24,580 --> 00:04:27,540 S7: It's kind of a eerie, weird sound to refer to 83 00:04:27,580 --> 00:04:31,219 S7: God as a ghost. And then I think also churches 84 00:04:31,220 --> 00:04:34,180 S7: for a long time made the mistake of thinking that 85 00:04:34,180 --> 00:04:38,900 S7: the only thing the Holy Spirit does is glorify Jesus. Now, undoubtedly, 86 00:04:38,900 --> 00:04:41,220 S7: that is probably the primary thing he does, but it's 87 00:04:41,220 --> 00:04:44,460 S7: not the only thing. He's got so many other roles 88 00:04:44,460 --> 00:04:47,380 S7: and tasks and makes his presence known all through Scripture. 89 00:04:47,940 --> 00:04:50,539 S7: And I think also the struggle we've had in the 90 00:04:50,730 --> 00:04:55,050 S7: past was that father and son? Those words mean something 91 00:04:55,050 --> 00:04:57,410 S7: to us because we've all had a father. And many 92 00:04:57,410 --> 00:05:00,210 S7: of us are sons or have had sons. And we 93 00:05:00,210 --> 00:05:02,650 S7: can relate personally to a father or son. But how 94 00:05:02,650 --> 00:05:05,370 S7: do you how do you relate personally to a spirit, 95 00:05:05,730 --> 00:05:08,570 S7: you know? How do you hug a spirit? You know, 96 00:05:08,890 --> 00:05:11,570 S7: it's like the spirit is there, but it's kind of 97 00:05:11,610 --> 00:05:14,050 S7: hard to get our minds around the idea that he 98 00:05:14,050 --> 00:05:17,690 S7: is a living, feeling, acting, willing person. And then I 99 00:05:17,690 --> 00:05:21,010 S7: think also for so long, I think there was fear 100 00:05:21,050 --> 00:05:24,330 S7: surrounding the work of the spirit. A lot of unknowns like, 101 00:05:24,370 --> 00:05:26,609 S7: what if we really want the spirit to show up? 102 00:05:26,650 --> 00:05:29,370 S7: What's he going to do? Is he going to embarrass me? 103 00:05:29,410 --> 00:05:31,690 S7: Is he going to do things that are contrary to 104 00:05:31,730 --> 00:05:34,650 S7: the traditions that we've developed in our church? So I 105 00:05:34,650 --> 00:05:37,170 S7: think all those factors play into why the Spirit of 106 00:05:37,170 --> 00:05:39,690 S7: God has been neglected as long as he has, but 107 00:05:39,930 --> 00:05:43,810 S7: no more. That's for certain. He is definitely much more 108 00:05:43,850 --> 00:05:45,810 S7: at the center of our thinking, as he should be. 109 00:05:46,250 --> 00:05:49,810 S4: Doctor Sam storms our guest this morning. You know, you 110 00:05:49,810 --> 00:05:52,210 S4: mentioned a couple different things, and I want to revisit 111 00:05:52,250 --> 00:05:54,409 S4: a few of them when we talk about our language 112 00:05:54,410 --> 00:05:57,970 S4: around the Holy Spirit. That has contributed to some of 113 00:05:57,970 --> 00:06:01,530 S4: the confusion. How do we speak about the Holy Spirit 114 00:06:01,529 --> 00:06:05,570 S4: in ways that are truly biblical? I'll give you an example. 115 00:06:05,570 --> 00:06:08,210 S4: When people talk about being filled with the Holy Spirit, 116 00:06:08,210 --> 00:06:10,210 S4: I'll be honest. I grew up in a church where 117 00:06:10,490 --> 00:06:13,210 S4: when I heard that someone was filled with the Holy 118 00:06:13,210 --> 00:06:16,850 S4: Spirit in my mind, I pictured usually was an older 119 00:06:16,850 --> 00:06:20,370 S4: church lady, and she would begin to get very demonstrative 120 00:06:20,370 --> 00:06:24,170 S4: in her expressions and ushers would come around her and 121 00:06:24,170 --> 00:06:27,690 S4: they would rapidly fan her with those little paper fans 122 00:06:27,690 --> 00:06:31,809 S4: with the handles. And this. And that's what I thought 123 00:06:31,810 --> 00:06:34,290 S4: in my mind. Okay. They're being, they're they're filled with 124 00:06:34,290 --> 00:06:36,530 S4: the Holy Spirit. And that's what that looks like. And 125 00:06:36,529 --> 00:06:38,890 S4: that was my understanding. And I know I'm not alone 126 00:06:38,890 --> 00:06:41,530 S4: in that. How do we have a biblical understanding? 127 00:06:41,890 --> 00:06:45,330 S7: Sure. And again, you just articulated one of the reasons 128 00:06:45,330 --> 00:06:48,119 S7: why the spirit has been neglected, because that's the image 129 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,599 S7: that people have in their minds. That's what they think 130 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,240 S7: the spirit is going to do to a person if 131 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,560 S7: they get filled. Uh, being filled with the spirit really 132 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,080 S7: has to do with two things power and ethics. In 133 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,480 S7: other words, start with ethics. We are filled with the 134 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,600 S7: spirit to live in consistent conformity with what we read 135 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,200 S7: in Scripture. Conform to the image of Jesus. That's what 136 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,800 S7: he does in our lives. And then also power. Uh, 137 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,720 S7: there's power for witness, power for exercise of gifts. Uh, 138 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,040 S7: in fact, all through the book of acts. It's interesting 139 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,679 S7: you read that Paul and Peter specifically, and even Steven 140 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,880 S7: as well, having been filled with the spirit, they then 141 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:29,480 S7: spoke prophetic words or they performed a miraculous healing. So 142 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,160 S7: I think we have to get away from the idea 143 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,640 S7: that the spirit is there just to make us act 144 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,040 S7: weirdly and do stupid things, or it's going to require 145 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,200 S7: the deacons to come and fan us back into normality. Yeah, 146 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:46,840 S7: it's the spirit has has come to glorify Jesus. To 147 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,720 S7: empower us to walk in conformity with his will and 148 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,200 S7: to give us the strength to do things that in 149 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,800 S7: our own finite humanity, we could never pull off. I mean, 150 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,400 S7: that's what the Spirit of God does. But I also 151 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:00,920 S7: think a lot of it has to do with how 152 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,679 S7: we describe him, how we refer to him. And Carl, 153 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,320 S7: you mentioned at the beginning this so many times people 154 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,920 S7: call the spirit and it. I have a new book 155 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,440 S7: coming out on the Holy Spirit at the end of 156 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,600 S7: this year, and I have a whole chapter on is 157 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,000 S7: the Holy Spirit a person or a power or both? 158 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,120 S7: And I deal with this issue of why? Why do 159 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,000 S7: people refer to it? When we talk about Jesus and 160 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,720 S7: the father we saw, we say he well, everything that 161 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,760 S7: is true of a person, everything that is true of 162 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,280 S7: the father and the son in terms of their personhood, 163 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,040 S7: is also said to be true of the spirit. So 164 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:35,760 S7: a lot of us, we just have to shift our 165 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:37,160 S7: language around a little bit. 166 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,839 S6: Yeah. Doctor Sam storms our guest right now. And you 167 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,270 S6: might be saying already, oh, Nelly, where do I get 168 00:08:44,270 --> 00:08:47,870 S6: some content? This guy is really got some solid content. 169 00:08:47,870 --> 00:08:53,510 S6: Just text the word storm to 800 555 78, 98. 170 00:08:53,550 --> 00:08:59,550 S6: One word storm to 800 555 7898. Coming up, Sam, 171 00:08:59,550 --> 00:09:03,870 S6: one of the most astounding promises is in Galatians 513. 172 00:09:03,910 --> 00:09:05,390 S6: I'll read it. And then when we get back, I 173 00:09:05,390 --> 00:09:08,469 S6: want you to respond to it. But I say, walk 174 00:09:08,470 --> 00:09:12,310 S6: by the spirit capital S Holy Spirit, and you will 175 00:09:12,309 --> 00:09:16,870 S6: not gratify the desires of the flesh. That is one 176 00:09:16,870 --> 00:09:22,590 S6: of the most loaded promises in Scripture. Sam storms response 177 00:09:22,590 --> 00:09:23,670 S6: to it straight ahead. 178 00:09:24,870 --> 00:09:29,069 S1: You've got questions. They've got answers. It's Ask the Experts 179 00:09:29,110 --> 00:09:30,550 S1: week with Carl and crew. 180 00:09:30,710 --> 00:09:33,990 S6: It's Carl and crew. Here it is. Ask the Expert 181 00:09:33,990 --> 00:09:36,910 S6: week and we have got him in here today. In 182 00:09:36,910 --> 00:09:39,870 S6: this hour. Doctor Sam Storms, we're talking the power of 183 00:09:39,870 --> 00:09:44,030 S6: the Holy Spirit. and Sam, I'm astounded by this promise 184 00:09:44,030 --> 00:09:47,550 S6: that Paul writes to the Galatian church. This one almost 185 00:09:47,550 --> 00:09:50,750 S6: takes my breath away if you take it at face value. 186 00:09:51,230 --> 00:09:53,270 S6: And this is what he writes. But I say, walk 187 00:09:53,270 --> 00:09:57,510 S6: by the spirit in you will not gratify the desires 188 00:09:57,510 --> 00:10:01,270 S6: of the flesh. My goodness, Sam, that's epic, is it not, 189 00:10:01,270 --> 00:10:01,990 S6: my friend? 190 00:10:02,150 --> 00:10:05,670 S7: It is. It is indeed. And again, I hope people 191 00:10:05,670 --> 00:10:08,350 S7: understand what Paul means when he uses the word walk. 192 00:10:08,350 --> 00:10:10,910 S7: He uses it all through his letters, and it basically 193 00:10:10,910 --> 00:10:14,390 S7: means to live. Our walk is our daily life. And 194 00:10:14,390 --> 00:10:18,270 S7: he's saying here, we need to consciously be dependent upon 195 00:10:18,270 --> 00:10:22,469 S7: the spirit every moment of every day. Aware of his presence, 196 00:10:22,670 --> 00:10:26,030 S7: faithful to respond to his promptings. Uh, you know, the 197 00:10:26,030 --> 00:10:28,630 S7: very next verse is the one that really is baffling, 198 00:10:28,630 --> 00:10:31,429 S7: where he goes on to say that the desires of 199 00:10:31,429 --> 00:10:33,510 S7: the flesh are against the spirit, and the desires of 200 00:10:33,510 --> 00:10:36,430 S7: the spirit are against the flesh. So there's a battle 201 00:10:36,429 --> 00:10:40,100 S7: raging within us. Yeah. And and the pulse point here 202 00:10:40,100 --> 00:10:43,300 S7: is you can win that battle if you walk by 203 00:10:43,300 --> 00:10:46,940 S7: the spirit. That is, if you conduct yourself, your language, 204 00:10:46,940 --> 00:10:51,300 S7: your thoughts, your prayer life, your, your imagination, your dreams, 205 00:10:51,300 --> 00:10:54,100 S7: everything that you do, you do it with a sense 206 00:10:54,220 --> 00:10:57,940 S7: of the Spirit's leading and basically saying, you know, when 207 00:10:57,940 --> 00:11:01,460 S7: you're in a challenging situation, Lord, I feel the promptings 208 00:11:01,460 --> 00:11:03,860 S7: of my flesh. I feel the desires to go in 209 00:11:03,860 --> 00:11:07,300 S7: the opposite direction that you're telling me, give me the power, 210 00:11:07,300 --> 00:11:10,100 S7: strengthen me, show me the reasons why I need to 211 00:11:10,100 --> 00:11:13,860 S7: respond to the Spirit's prompting and walk in tandem with him. 212 00:11:14,340 --> 00:11:16,580 S7: And it's kind of like, uh, you know, you think 213 00:11:16,580 --> 00:11:20,020 S7: of an individual walking in front of you, and this 214 00:11:20,020 --> 00:11:23,740 S7: is your mentor, this is your leader. And every step 215 00:11:23,740 --> 00:11:27,179 S7: that this person takes, you take as well. You follow 216 00:11:27,179 --> 00:11:30,580 S7: in his footprints, follow the leading of the spirit. Follow 217 00:11:30,580 --> 00:11:33,980 S7: the convicting work of the spirit. Follow the empowering work 218 00:11:33,980 --> 00:11:36,300 S7: of the spirit. It's like, you know, you're sitting at 219 00:11:36,300 --> 00:11:39,459 S7: a coffee shop and you just suddenly look over and 220 00:11:39,460 --> 00:11:41,860 S7: there's this person sitting by themselves, and you feel this 221 00:11:41,860 --> 00:11:46,420 S7: overwhelming urge. They don't know Jesus. I'm. Lord, give me 222 00:11:46,420 --> 00:11:49,420 S7: an open door to go share the gospel with this person. Well, 223 00:11:49,420 --> 00:11:51,860 S7: that's what the spirit does. And walking by the spirit 224 00:11:51,860 --> 00:11:55,300 S7: in that particular case means obeying, saying, okay, I may 225 00:11:55,300 --> 00:11:57,540 S7: get rejected. They may spit in my face, they may 226 00:11:57,580 --> 00:11:59,740 S7: laugh me out of the room, but I'm going to 227 00:11:59,780 --> 00:12:02,460 S7: walk with the spirit. I'm going to obey his promptings. 228 00:12:02,500 --> 00:12:05,260 S4: Doctor Sam storms our guest this morning. Let's go back 229 00:12:05,260 --> 00:12:08,460 S4: to that coffee shop scenario. A question that many people 230 00:12:08,460 --> 00:12:10,459 S4: have is how do I know if that's the Holy 231 00:12:10,460 --> 00:12:14,500 S4: Spirit prompting me? Or if it's just my thoughts like, 232 00:12:14,580 --> 00:12:16,700 S4: this is something I, you know, one of my kids 233 00:12:16,700 --> 00:12:19,020 S4: wrestles with a lot of, I don't know if this 234 00:12:19,020 --> 00:12:21,100 S4: is the Holy Spirit prompting me to do this, or 235 00:12:21,100 --> 00:12:22,980 S4: if it's just me thinking that would be a nice 236 00:12:22,980 --> 00:12:25,020 S4: thing to do, and then they really get kind of 237 00:12:25,059 --> 00:12:26,260 S4: stressed out about it. 238 00:12:27,100 --> 00:12:30,660 S7: Yeah, well, here's the interesting thing about this. I don't 239 00:12:30,660 --> 00:12:32,860 S7: want people to worry about whether or not that's the 240 00:12:32,860 --> 00:12:36,130 S7: spirit or just me. In other words, it oftentimes we 241 00:12:36,130 --> 00:12:38,730 S7: learn the voice of the spirit just through trial and error. 242 00:12:39,090 --> 00:12:41,730 S7: You come to a point as you grow up in Christ, 243 00:12:42,010 --> 00:12:45,850 S7: that you begin to discern the quality of his voice, 244 00:12:45,850 --> 00:12:50,410 S7: the quality, the intensity of his prompting. And, um, it 245 00:12:50,410 --> 00:12:53,250 S7: just comes, you know, it's I would say, you know, 246 00:12:53,290 --> 00:12:55,449 S7: to people who struggle with this, how do I know 247 00:12:55,450 --> 00:12:57,890 S7: the difference? And I would say, don't worry about it, 248 00:12:57,929 --> 00:13:00,330 S7: don't worry about it. Just go ahead. And as long 249 00:13:00,330 --> 00:13:03,210 S7: as what you feel prompted to do is biblical, it's 250 00:13:03,210 --> 00:13:06,770 S7: not sinful. Go ahead and step out in faith and 251 00:13:06,770 --> 00:13:08,929 S7: you'll discover whether or not that was the spirit or you. 252 00:13:08,929 --> 00:13:11,610 S7: And if it was you, that's okay. You just learned 253 00:13:11,610 --> 00:13:14,810 S7: how to discern his voice from yours. If it was 254 00:13:14,809 --> 00:13:16,970 S7: the spirit, he'll empower you in that moment to do 255 00:13:16,970 --> 00:13:19,250 S7: what you need to do. So I think the thing 256 00:13:19,250 --> 00:13:23,450 S7: I would caution people about is don't be paralyzed by uncertainty. 257 00:13:23,890 --> 00:13:28,170 S7: God knows that we are fallen and we're frail, broken people, 258 00:13:28,410 --> 00:13:31,650 S7: and that we sometimes blame him for things that we're 259 00:13:31,650 --> 00:13:34,490 S7: responsible for. He's not mad at us. He's going to 260 00:13:34,530 --> 00:13:37,209 S7: he's not going to withdraw from us. So don't worry 261 00:13:37,210 --> 00:13:41,010 S7: about missing it. Don't worry about not having psychological certainty. 262 00:13:41,410 --> 00:13:44,410 S7: Just go ahead and and follow the promptings that you 263 00:13:44,410 --> 00:13:48,010 S7: feel in your heart. And even if it wasn't the spirit, say, Lord, 264 00:13:48,010 --> 00:13:50,490 S7: if this isn't you, make use of my time and 265 00:13:50,490 --> 00:13:53,290 S7: my encounter with this person for some other purpose. Yeah. 266 00:13:53,330 --> 00:13:56,410 S7: So people need to dial it down a little bit 267 00:13:56,410 --> 00:13:58,970 S7: and they think, well, if I don't have psychological certainty 268 00:13:59,010 --> 00:14:02,290 S7: that it's the spirit, I should keep my mouth shut. No. 269 00:14:02,530 --> 00:14:06,490 S7: Psychological certainty is very rare in our lives. That's why 270 00:14:06,530 --> 00:14:10,970 S7: faith oftentimes is spelled risk. Risk. You're taking a risk. 271 00:14:11,370 --> 00:14:14,170 S7: God will back you up. He will always back you up. 272 00:14:14,370 --> 00:14:16,890 S6: You know, Sam, a couple thoughts on that. One is 273 00:14:16,929 --> 00:14:19,690 S6: we died and our life is now hidden with Christ 274 00:14:19,690 --> 00:14:21,970 S6: in God. I think some of the uncertainty we have 275 00:14:22,010 --> 00:14:26,610 S6: is we don't understand the regenerative power of new birth. 276 00:14:26,650 --> 00:14:27,810 S6: Quick comment on that. 277 00:14:28,010 --> 00:14:31,090 S7: Well, absolutely. In fact, that's the beginning of our relationship 278 00:14:31,090 --> 00:14:34,080 S7: with the spirit. In fact, I was preaching my last 279 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,280 S7: sermon here in Oklahoma City, and I was talking about 280 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,520 S7: sharing the gospel. And I said, folks, I said, you 281 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,760 S7: sharing the gospel with somebody, explaining the cross of Christ, 282 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,560 S7: talking about the nature of sin and what faith and 283 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:49,840 S7: repentance are is not enough. You have to cry out 284 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,800 S7: and pray that the Spirit of God would sovereignly regenerate 285 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,240 S7: their hearts, cause them to be born again, and born anew, 286 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,640 S7: born from above. However you like to describe it for us, 287 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:05,520 S7: just to communicate information, that's essential, obviously. But if the 288 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,280 S7: Spirit of God doesn't enlighten, it doesn't renew their hearts, 289 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,960 S7: soften their hearts to see the beauty of Christ in 290 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,800 S7: the the only true answer which is the gospel, our 291 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,640 S7: words are going to fall flat. I'm not saying evangelism 292 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,680 S7: isn't important, I'm saying it's absolutely necessary. But there are 293 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,040 S7: two parts. There's the proclamation of the gospel, and there's 294 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,640 S7: the prayer that the Spirit of God would open their 295 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,880 S7: eyes and soften their hearts to see the need that 296 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,520 S7: they have for Jesus, and the sufficiency of what he's 297 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:34,360 S7: done for them. 298 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,800 S6: Amen. Sam storms, our guest, coming up here in a moment. 299 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,160 S6: I want to go after this. Keeping in step with 300 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,120 S6: the spirit, Paul goes on to say that he's he 301 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,840 S6: bookends that chapter, by the way, with walk in the spirit. 302 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,640 S6: And he says, if you live in the spirit, keep 303 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,520 S6: in step with the spirit. And here's the thing for me, Sam, 304 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,840 S6: this has revolutionized my life in the last decade. I 305 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,120 S6: have now what I used to call from my good 306 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:03,240 S6: Swedish Baptist Covenant. Kind of, you know what I'm saying? 307 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,920 S6: Bible church upbringing. We had code words for this. We 308 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,640 S6: didn't know what we were saying. Things like I feel prompted, 309 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,760 S6: I felt led to, um, you know, those were our 310 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,960 S6: code words. Now I'm going hold it a second. Stop 311 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,479 S6: the bus. I'm hearing from the Spirit of God way 312 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,480 S6: more than I ever imagined. Are we hearing from the spirit? 313 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,430 S6: How do we stay open to that? And what confirms 314 00:16:28,430 --> 00:16:32,270 S6: that we're in step with the spirit. More straight ahead 315 00:16:32,270 --> 00:16:33,670 S6: with Doctor Sam Storms. 316 00:16:34,670 --> 00:16:38,230 S1: When you don't know who's better to ask than an expert. 317 00:16:38,430 --> 00:16:40,310 S1: You're listening to Carl and crew. 318 00:16:40,350 --> 00:16:44,110 S6: It's Carl and crew. Here it is. Ask the expert week. 319 00:16:44,310 --> 00:16:47,910 S6: Are we hearing from the spirit? And what confirms that 320 00:16:47,910 --> 00:16:51,790 S6: we're in step with the spirit? More straight ahead with 321 00:16:51,790 --> 00:16:53,070 S6: Doctor Sam Storms. 322 00:16:54,190 --> 00:16:58,590 S1: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to Carl and crew. 323 00:16:58,790 --> 00:17:02,670 S6: It is Ask the Experts week. And boy, this is 324 00:17:02,670 --> 00:17:05,350 S6: peel paint time, guys, right down to the bare wood. 325 00:17:05,350 --> 00:17:08,430 S6: We're getting after it here. Doctor Sam storms our guest. 326 00:17:08,430 --> 00:17:13,390 S6: And by the way, Tech Storm. Whenever you can get 327 00:17:13,390 --> 00:17:16,550 S6: linked in. There's a new book coming out from Sam 328 00:17:16,550 --> 00:17:19,429 S6: at year end on the Holy Spirit. You're going to 329 00:17:19,430 --> 00:17:23,390 S6: get a heads up when you get subscribed in. And 330 00:17:23,390 --> 00:17:25,830 S6: I mean, there's no paywall, but there's a way for 331 00:17:25,830 --> 00:17:29,350 S6: you to grab content that is going to be transformative. 332 00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:33,030 S6: Sam storms is one of the great revolutionaries when it 333 00:17:33,030 --> 00:17:37,190 S6: comes to understanding the role of the Holy Spirit. Without getting, 334 00:17:37,190 --> 00:17:41,550 S6: as Ali was advertising earlier, having fans waved over you 335 00:17:41,590 --> 00:17:44,430 S6: because you got the wolf hoofs or whatever's going on 336 00:17:44,430 --> 00:17:48,230 S6: and the Holy Spirit came over you. So, Sam, uh, 337 00:17:48,670 --> 00:17:52,030 S6: I'm a recovering. How do I say this? I'm a 338 00:17:52,030 --> 00:17:56,869 S6: recovering man that was raised with an understanding of the 339 00:17:56,869 --> 00:18:00,350 S6: father and the son, but very little of the Holy Spirit. 340 00:18:00,790 --> 00:18:04,270 S6: And God's done a great work in this. And now 341 00:18:04,270 --> 00:18:08,070 S6: I am hearing. And I hesitate to say this because 342 00:18:08,070 --> 00:18:11,110 S6: I don't even want it abused. But I hear the 343 00:18:11,109 --> 00:18:18,109 S6: Spirit's voice talk to me frequently. Frequently. Sam, I haven't 344 00:18:18,109 --> 00:18:20,390 S6: lost my mind, have I, Sam? 345 00:18:21,390 --> 00:18:24,220 S7: No, you haven't, you haven't. You know, if I could 346 00:18:24,220 --> 00:18:26,899 S7: go back to Galatians five and to answer your question, 347 00:18:27,260 --> 00:18:29,300 S7: I was just looking at it again and all the 348 00:18:29,300 --> 00:18:32,460 S7: various ways in which Paul describes how we respond to 349 00:18:32,460 --> 00:18:35,820 S7: the spirit. He says, walk by the spirit. Down in 350 00:18:35,820 --> 00:18:40,180 S7: verse 18 he says, be led by the spirit. Down 351 00:18:40,180 --> 00:18:43,140 S7: in verse 25, live by the spirit. Also keep in 352 00:18:43,140 --> 00:18:45,780 S7: step with the spirit. You think Paul's trying to make 353 00:18:45,780 --> 00:18:48,620 S7: a point? And I think all of these are synonymous 354 00:18:48,619 --> 00:18:53,220 S7: images designed to tell us the spirit is actively involved, 355 00:18:53,220 --> 00:18:56,100 S7: actively leading you. It doesn't mean that you have to 356 00:18:56,100 --> 00:18:57,780 S7: get up in the morning and say, Holy Spirit, which 357 00:18:57,780 --> 00:18:59,940 S7: pair of socks should I put on? I don't think 358 00:18:59,940 --> 00:19:03,860 S7: God really gives much of a hoot about that. But 359 00:19:03,859 --> 00:19:06,340 S7: when you find yourself out in community, or you find 360 00:19:06,340 --> 00:19:09,379 S7: yourself being tempted to watch something on the internet, you shouldn't. 361 00:19:09,580 --> 00:19:12,260 S7: That's when you cry out to the spirit. You know, 362 00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:15,620 S7: crucify this, this desire of the flesh. Lead me in 363 00:19:15,619 --> 00:19:18,540 S7: the way of the Lord Jesus, that I would honor 364 00:19:18,540 --> 00:19:21,940 S7: him with my life and my thoughts and my my words. 365 00:19:22,220 --> 00:19:24,980 S7: So again, we have to walk through life every day 366 00:19:25,300 --> 00:19:28,220 S7: in this conscious dependence. I mean, I don't know how 367 00:19:28,220 --> 00:19:32,660 S7: else Paul could say it. Walk be led. Keep in step. 368 00:19:32,700 --> 00:19:36,340 S7: Live by the spirit. It's like every moment of every 369 00:19:36,380 --> 00:19:39,419 S7: day we are trusting. And again, we don't have to 370 00:19:39,660 --> 00:19:42,659 S7: say it out loud. But we're saying, Lord, let every 371 00:19:42,660 --> 00:19:45,340 S7: step that I take, every decision I make. Let every 372 00:19:45,340 --> 00:19:48,700 S7: word that I utter. Let every relationship that I encounter 373 00:19:48,740 --> 00:19:52,780 S7: be one that is empowered by the spirit and consistent 374 00:19:52,780 --> 00:19:54,939 S7: with the holiness of the Holy Spirit. 375 00:19:55,460 --> 00:19:57,780 S6: Sam, I want to even go deeper on this, because 376 00:19:57,780 --> 00:20:02,380 S6: in John 14 Jesus said, speaking of the Holy Spirit, 377 00:20:02,380 --> 00:20:04,100 S6: these things I have spoken to you while I'm still 378 00:20:04,100 --> 00:20:06,219 S6: with you, but the helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the 379 00:20:06,220 --> 00:20:08,620 S6: father will send in my name, he will teach you 380 00:20:08,619 --> 00:20:11,540 S6: all things and bring to your remembrance all that I've 381 00:20:11,540 --> 00:20:13,979 S6: said to you. And my team sitting here. So I'm 382 00:20:13,980 --> 00:20:16,780 S6: going to be very self-effacing and be honest about this. 383 00:20:17,260 --> 00:20:21,209 S6: The Holy Spirit speaks to me primarily around those primary 384 00:20:21,210 --> 00:20:24,090 S6: relationships that are around me. How to talk with my team. 385 00:20:24,090 --> 00:20:27,010 S6: How to honor them. How to give honor, where honors do, 386 00:20:27,410 --> 00:20:29,609 S6: how to cheer for them. How to not be a 387 00:20:29,609 --> 00:20:32,450 S6: pain in the neck to them, uh, with my wife. 388 00:20:32,450 --> 00:20:35,330 S6: How to love her as Christ loved the church. I 389 00:20:35,330 --> 00:20:38,850 S6: find the Holy Spirit speaking to me in meetings with 390 00:20:38,850 --> 00:20:42,290 S6: our church staff that we've got an amazing staff that 391 00:20:42,290 --> 00:20:46,290 S6: I lead. I find it that practical and it's real 392 00:20:46,330 --> 00:20:51,010 S6: time promptings in meetings. Sam, that's the beauty. I don't 393 00:20:51,010 --> 00:20:54,050 S6: want our people to miss out on that. Sam. How 394 00:20:54,050 --> 00:20:55,490 S6: do we live there? 395 00:20:56,050 --> 00:20:58,290 S7: Well, I think the first thing is we have to 396 00:20:58,330 --> 00:21:03,370 S7: immerse ourselves in Scripture instead of being reactionary, because we've 397 00:21:03,369 --> 00:21:06,290 S7: seen somebody do goofy things in the name of Jesus, 398 00:21:06,609 --> 00:21:10,330 S7: some alleged internet prophet. And we think, my goodness, if 399 00:21:10,330 --> 00:21:12,450 S7: that if that's what following the prompting of the spirit 400 00:21:12,450 --> 00:21:14,330 S7: is like, I don't want to go anywhere near it, right? 401 00:21:14,369 --> 00:21:18,050 S7: And we need to keep our minds on Scripture. For example, 402 00:21:18,050 --> 00:21:20,850 S7: let me just take you to another text if I 403 00:21:20,850 --> 00:21:24,370 S7: mention Romans chapter eight. To most Christians. And I said, 404 00:21:24,369 --> 00:21:27,649 S7: what is the most distinguishing feature about Romans eight? They'd 405 00:21:27,650 --> 00:21:30,449 S7: probably say, oh, the sovereignty of God, the grace of 406 00:21:30,450 --> 00:21:33,650 S7: God in saving us. Well, that may be true, but 407 00:21:33,650 --> 00:21:35,609 S7: do you know that there are more references to the 408 00:21:35,609 --> 00:21:38,890 S7: Holy Spirit in Romans eight than in any other passage 409 00:21:38,890 --> 00:21:42,930 S7: in the entire Bible? Everything that Paul talks about here, 410 00:21:43,250 --> 00:21:47,170 S7: he talks about living according to the spirit, setting our 411 00:21:47,170 --> 00:21:50,330 S7: minds on the things of the spirit. He talks about. 412 00:21:50,330 --> 00:21:52,929 S7: Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. Therefore walk. 413 00:21:52,970 --> 00:21:55,369 S7: Don't walk in the flesh, but in the spirit, because 414 00:21:55,369 --> 00:21:57,449 S7: the Spirit of God dwells in you. And if you 415 00:21:57,450 --> 00:21:59,930 S7: don't have the Spirit of Christ, you don't belong to him. 416 00:21:59,930 --> 00:22:02,770 S7: And over and over again, if the Spirit of him 417 00:22:02,770 --> 00:22:04,970 S7: who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, then 418 00:22:04,970 --> 00:22:07,689 S7: he who raised Jesus will give life to your mortal bodies. 419 00:22:07,850 --> 00:22:11,050 S7: Over and over again he says again, if you live 420 00:22:11,050 --> 00:22:12,730 S7: according to the flesh, you will die. But if by 421 00:22:12,730 --> 00:22:14,810 S7: the spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, 422 00:22:14,810 --> 00:22:18,520 S7: you will live. So all of that, I think, accounts 423 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,080 S7: for what you're feeling when you talk about how you 424 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,640 S7: relate to your staff and your family and to others. 425 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:28,520 S7: It is this continual, constant awareness that the Spirit of 426 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,640 S7: God lives in me. I mean, just stopping. We haven't 427 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,720 S7: talked about it yet. Think about that for a moment. 428 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:40,879 S7: The omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent Holy Spirit actually lives inside of us. 429 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,040 S7: That is absolutely mind blowing to me that we are 430 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,600 S7: called the temple of the Holy Spirit. If he's that 431 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,280 S7: near and dear and present in our lives leading us, 432 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,720 S7: prompting us, then yes, every decision you make, every word 433 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,400 S7: that comes out of your mouth needs to be bathed 434 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,919 S7: in the Spirit's presence and power. So yeah, I think 435 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,639 S7: if we could just live more consciously in this moment 436 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,600 S7: by moment dependence instead of fear, instead of saying, oh, 437 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,960 S7: I'm afraid what might happen if I do that? Will 438 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,959 S7: I act goofy and bring reproach on the name of 439 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,280 S7: Christ like that guy I saw on TV last week. 440 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,600 S7: Don't let fear dominate your life. Let faith that the 441 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,600 S7: Spirit of God is present to lead you and to 442 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:22,240 S7: help you. 443 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,480 S6: Okay, quick note so I've always prescribed we do this 444 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:30,399 S6: a lot around here. John 14, John 16, Romans eight, 445 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,520 S6: and I and I've said, I think Corinthians. Yeah, it 446 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,919 S6: speaks to the spirit, but it's mainly corrective. These chapters 447 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,200 S6: are instructive and illuminating. And, you know, it just dawned 448 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,040 S6: on me, you you mentioned Romans eight. My mind immediately 449 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,120 S6: went to there's therefore now no condemnation for those who 450 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,080 S6: are in Christ Jesus. But if we read on, we 451 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,000 S6: realize it's the spirit that gives the unction to even 452 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,000 S6: live in that truth. Sam quick comment. 453 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,960 S7: Yeah, absolutely. I love that verse, but we gotta read 454 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,360 S7: the second verse for the law of the Spirit of 455 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,359 S7: life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the 456 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,240 S7: law of sin and death. And then you read on further. 457 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,560 S7: The spirit helps us in our weakness. We don't know 458 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,919 S7: how to pray. Well, that's all right. Don't. Don't fret, 459 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,190 S7: because the spirit prays within us with groanings too deep 460 00:24:14,190 --> 00:24:17,990 S7: for words. So all through this we are told that 461 00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:20,389 S7: the Spirit of God is present. He wants to. He 462 00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:23,710 S7: wants to bring our minds into conformity with Christ. Our 463 00:24:23,710 --> 00:24:27,109 S7: lives shape us in his image. There are so many 464 00:24:27,150 --> 00:24:30,229 S7: so-called role models in our world, and not one of 465 00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:34,189 S7: them is worth an ounce of devotion compared to the 466 00:24:34,190 --> 00:24:37,350 S7: role model of Jesus. And the spirit is there to say, look, 467 00:24:37,550 --> 00:24:39,550 S7: here's how I want you to live. Here's how I 468 00:24:39,550 --> 00:24:43,430 S7: want you to behave. Look like Jesus. That's just a 469 00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:46,750 S7: stunning thought. In fact, in Ephesians four, you know, Paul 470 00:24:46,750 --> 00:24:50,070 S7: talks about being renewed in the spirit of our minds. 471 00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:53,670 S7: That's the Holy Spirit, so that we will walk according 472 00:24:53,710 --> 00:24:58,270 S7: to God. I thought, wait a minute, Paul. You're not 473 00:24:58,270 --> 00:25:00,830 S7: saying that I am God. Of course not. But you're 474 00:25:00,830 --> 00:25:04,390 S7: saying that the spirit of my mind renews me, that 475 00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:06,230 S7: I might live in such a way? He calls it 476 00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:11,550 S7: righteousness and holiness, according to or after the likeness of God. 477 00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:14,150 S7: I mean that again. It just takes your breath away 478 00:25:14,150 --> 00:25:17,270 S7: when you think the spirit is in me to help 479 00:25:17,270 --> 00:25:20,629 S7: me live a life so that I will show forth 480 00:25:20,670 --> 00:25:24,550 S7: the very attributes that God Himself has. Again, that's one 481 00:25:24,550 --> 00:25:27,390 S7: of those breathtaking texts that you just kind of have 482 00:25:27,390 --> 00:25:29,350 S7: to live in for a while for it to sink in. 483 00:25:29,390 --> 00:25:33,150 S4: Doctor Sam storms our guest right now. Coming up. Wow. Yeah, 484 00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:35,429 S4: this is a lot to digest. This is really good. 485 00:25:35,470 --> 00:25:37,389 S4: You know, when we think about the work of the 486 00:25:37,390 --> 00:25:41,150 S4: Holy Spirit convicting the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment, 487 00:25:41,550 --> 00:25:45,629 S4: why do unbelievers still have the ability to feel bad 488 00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:48,950 S4: about something that they've done? We've call it their conscience. 489 00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:52,030 S4: Somebody can have a guilty conscience. Is that the work 490 00:25:52,030 --> 00:25:56,350 S4: of the Holy Spirit, or is the conscience something entirely different? 491 00:25:56,350 --> 00:25:57,830 S4: Let's ask that one coming up. 492 00:25:58,830 --> 00:26:02,109 S1: Get in the know with life's biggest questions. It's Ask 493 00:26:02,150 --> 00:26:04,190 S1: the Experts week with Carl and crew. 494 00:26:04,550 --> 00:26:07,830 S4: Doctor Sam Storms, our guest expert on Ask the Expert 495 00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:11,820 S4: week talking all things Holy Spirit. You know, even unbelievers 496 00:26:11,820 --> 00:26:15,300 S4: have the ability to feel bad, or at least an 497 00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:19,419 S4: awareness that they have done something wrong. Is that the 498 00:26:19,460 --> 00:26:21,180 S4: work of the Holy Spirit? 499 00:26:21,859 --> 00:26:26,139 S7: Yes it is. Paul talks about the conscience in Romans two, 500 00:26:26,180 --> 00:26:30,740 S7: either excusing us or condemning us, but we must remember 501 00:26:30,740 --> 00:26:33,899 S7: that the conscience is subject to the prompting of the spirit. 502 00:26:34,220 --> 00:26:37,820 S7: It's what theologians call common grace. In other words, there 503 00:26:37,820 --> 00:26:41,100 S7: is a gracious operation of the spirit in the world, 504 00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:45,420 S7: in the lives of unbelievers that falls short of salvation. 505 00:26:45,460 --> 00:26:48,179 S7: It doesn't mean that they're saved. Basically, in order to 506 00:26:48,220 --> 00:26:53,379 S7: preserve order in our world, restrains the the sinful proclivities 507 00:26:53,380 --> 00:26:57,179 S7: of unbelievers, keeps them at bay. They're never as wicked 508 00:26:57,180 --> 00:26:59,700 S7: as they possibly could be, and we're grateful for that. 509 00:27:00,020 --> 00:27:02,260 S7: And so I think, yes, the conscience is a part 510 00:27:02,260 --> 00:27:04,620 S7: of what the image of God is in each of us. 511 00:27:04,940 --> 00:27:08,500 S7: It's that capacity in us to be made aware of, 512 00:27:08,500 --> 00:27:12,260 S7: right or wrong. And so I think ultimately it is 513 00:27:12,260 --> 00:27:14,380 S7: the spirit doing that doesn't mean that that person is 514 00:27:14,380 --> 00:27:17,659 S7: born again, doesn't mean that they're justified by faith in Jesus. 515 00:27:17,900 --> 00:27:20,500 S7: It does mean that the Spirit of God is quickening 516 00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:24,899 S7: their hearts to realize that's not right. This is wrong. 517 00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:27,659 S7: This is the way I should go. Now, that doesn't 518 00:27:27,660 --> 00:27:32,220 S7: necessarily lead to salvation. Sometimes it might, but it doesn't necessarily. 519 00:27:32,540 --> 00:27:35,300 S7: The special redeeming grace of the Holy Spirit is when 520 00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:38,420 S7: he causes us to be born again. So, yes, all 521 00:27:38,460 --> 00:27:40,899 S7: the good that we see in our world. And let's stop. 522 00:27:40,940 --> 00:27:43,340 S7: I mean, let's be honest, we see a lot of 523 00:27:43,340 --> 00:27:47,220 S7: non-believers who do a lot of good. There are good 524 00:27:47,220 --> 00:27:49,500 S7: people in the world who don't know Jesus. And we say, 525 00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:52,100 S7: how do they do that? And the answer is, the 526 00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:57,580 S7: Spirit of God is graciously enabling them to do productive, 527 00:27:57,580 --> 00:28:00,380 S7: fruitful things that make for a life that is peaceful 528 00:28:00,380 --> 00:28:04,250 S7: and orderly. But that doesn't mean that they're saved. So 529 00:28:04,250 --> 00:28:06,890 S7: for that, we need the saving, redemptive work of the spirit. 530 00:28:06,890 --> 00:28:11,369 S7: So long. Circular answer to your question. Yes, I think 531 00:28:11,369 --> 00:28:14,930 S7: the conscience is active even in non-believers. Now, let's be honest. 532 00:28:15,330 --> 00:28:20,090 S7: Some unbelievers, they have so seared their conscience, they have 533 00:28:20,130 --> 00:28:24,489 S7: so violated it repeatedly that God gives them over to 534 00:28:24,530 --> 00:28:28,010 S7: their wicked ways. Makes sense, and they no longer feel 535 00:28:28,010 --> 00:28:31,330 S7: any conviction for sin. That's when it gets dangerous. But 536 00:28:31,330 --> 00:28:34,209 S7: we thank the spirit that he's restraining the sin of 537 00:28:34,210 --> 00:28:37,570 S7: unbelievers and even of Christians. You remember in Genesis, I 538 00:28:37,570 --> 00:28:41,969 S7: think it's Genesis 20 when Abraham lied about his wife Sarah, 539 00:28:41,970 --> 00:28:43,930 S7: and Abimelech, the king was going to take her into 540 00:28:43,970 --> 00:28:44,410 S7: his bed. 541 00:28:44,450 --> 00:28:44,970 S6: Yes. 542 00:28:45,010 --> 00:28:50,050 S7: And it says, you prevented me from sinning. God did that. 543 00:28:50,050 --> 00:28:53,810 S7: Abimelech wasn't a believer. God kept his heart from sinning 544 00:28:53,810 --> 00:28:57,490 S7: by taking Abraham's wife. So the range of the Spirit's 545 00:28:57,490 --> 00:29:02,610 S7: work is just almost incomprehensible. It's so vast. And unfortunately, 546 00:29:02,610 --> 00:29:04,450 S7: we have neglected it far too long. 547 00:29:04,490 --> 00:29:07,770 S6: Okay. Sam storms, doctor Sam storms our guest, and some 548 00:29:07,770 --> 00:29:10,690 S6: of you are like, where'd this guy come from? Well, 549 00:29:10,690 --> 00:29:13,690 S6: he was born with a mama. And then he got 550 00:29:13,690 --> 00:29:15,850 S6: filled with the Holy Spirit. And so he's got something 551 00:29:15,850 --> 00:29:18,450 S6: to say. And if you want to hear more, all 552 00:29:18,450 --> 00:29:20,969 S6: you got to do is text the word storm to 553 00:29:21,010 --> 00:29:26,970 S6: 800 555, 78, 98. Just text the word storm to 554 00:29:27,010 --> 00:29:32,130 S6: 800 555 7898. Okay, let's bring this thing home. Sam. 555 00:29:33,810 --> 00:29:36,770 S6: The church alive. I have been a part of too 556 00:29:36,770 --> 00:29:39,850 S6: many awakenings. I saw it with a singles ministry in 557 00:29:39,850 --> 00:29:41,850 S6: little Rock with Robert Louis. And then I saw a 558 00:29:41,850 --> 00:29:46,530 S6: church that I was had the privilege of leading. Exploding growth, 559 00:29:47,130 --> 00:29:50,730 S6: exploding growth. New member classes of 350. And I can 560 00:29:50,730 --> 00:29:53,410 S6: tell you right now, Sam, I can claim none of it. 561 00:29:53,450 --> 00:29:57,970 S6: It was the power of prayer. How central and why 562 00:29:57,970 --> 00:30:02,320 S6: is it that churches that fall to their faces and pray. 563 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,600 S6: Watch the Spirit of God move. 564 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,040 S7: Well, primarily because when they do that, they are confessing 565 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,720 S7: their absolute dependence upon God. They're saying, we can't do this. 566 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,760 S7: We could build a big church. We could have 350 567 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,960 S7: people in a class. We could have thousands sitting in 568 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,360 S7: the pews. But if it's not done in the power 569 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,720 S7: of the spirit, it ultimately is useless. It does nothing 570 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,440 S7: to magnify Jesus. So that's why all through the New Testament, 571 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,920 S7: you read the authors talking about praying in the spirit. 572 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,200 S7: Paul does it, Jude does it, and Jude verse 20, 573 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,959 S7: I think it is that is praying when the spirit 574 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,600 S7: prompts you, being led in your words by what the 575 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,520 S7: spirit brings to mind. Uh, when you feel like you 576 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,600 S7: just can't go any further and you're out of energy, 577 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,440 S7: the spirit energizes you and strengthens you. So praying in 578 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,960 S7: the spirit is so central. And again, when God sees 579 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,480 S7: his people bowing the knee, crying out because they know 580 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,160 S7: they can't accomplish it in their own flesh. He's honored. 581 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,240 S7: He's praised. He is magnified as the one who alone 582 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,120 S7: can do what we need to be done. So again, 583 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:11,960 S7: I think prayer is the ultimate way of confessing our inabilities, 584 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:17,120 S7: our weaknesses, and our absolute, unqualified dependence upon the power 585 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,680 S7: of the Holy Spirit to accomplish anything of value, not 586 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,360 S7: just value in this life, but things that will carry 587 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:23,520 S7: on into eternity. 588 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,280 S6: And the cool byproduct, Sam, is when we see that happen, 589 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,680 S6: we claim we don't want to touch that. And that's 590 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,760 S6: a powerful gift itself, isn't it? 591 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,120 S7: Oh, yeah. Because because when you when you want to 592 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:41,920 S7: control the spirit, the spirit does not respond well to that. Now, 593 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,040 S7: it is true we can grieve the Holy Spirit. Ephesians 594 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,640 S7: four uh, Hebrews ten says that people insult the Holy Spirit. 595 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,320 S7: By the way, you can't insult a principle. You only 596 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,080 S7: insult a person. And then in first Thessalonians five he said, 597 00:31:56,150 --> 00:31:59,709 S7: you can quench the spirit when you resist and despise 598 00:31:59,710 --> 00:32:02,630 S7: his work through the gift of prophecy. So yeah, we 599 00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:05,270 S7: need to be careful in how we respond to the 600 00:32:05,270 --> 00:32:08,670 S7: spirit because he is a person. And, um, you know, 601 00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:11,390 S7: people have a hard time understanding how humans in their 602 00:32:11,390 --> 00:32:14,950 S7: sin can grieve the spirit. But let's face it, that's 603 00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:17,910 S7: what the Bible says. And we need to be careful 604 00:32:17,910 --> 00:32:22,310 S7: about that. Constantly honoring the Spirit's leading and prompting, again, 605 00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:25,790 S7: trusting that he will do whatever is best to magnify 606 00:32:25,790 --> 00:32:26,990 S7: and glorify Jesus. 607 00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:30,310 S4: Doctor Sam storms our guest this morning. We are going 608 00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:34,030 S4: to be here in this next hour moving into our share. 609 00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:37,630 S4: Jump start our where, as you know, Doctor Sam is 610 00:32:37,670 --> 00:32:41,630 S4: listener supported. Station. Speak to as you from your vantage 611 00:32:41,630 --> 00:32:45,310 S4: point as a contributor. The power of Christian radio and 612 00:32:45,310 --> 00:32:47,550 S4: the value of getting behind it. 613 00:32:47,790 --> 00:32:50,990 S7: Absolutely. I'm always happy to do this, and a lot 614 00:32:50,990 --> 00:32:53,430 S7: of it comes not only because of the excellence of 615 00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:58,190 S7: what you and others provide. But because of the. I 616 00:32:58,230 --> 00:33:01,470 S7: hate to say this, but basically the biblical illiteracy and 617 00:33:01,470 --> 00:33:05,350 S7: ignorance of so many Christians and I know that sounds 618 00:33:05,390 --> 00:33:07,950 S7: nasty and mean. I don't mean it that way. I'm 619 00:33:07,950 --> 00:33:10,910 S7: simply calling people to the reality that if you're going 620 00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:14,190 S7: to grow up in Christ, you have to be immersed 621 00:33:14,190 --> 00:33:17,110 S7: in the word. And that's what programs like this do. 622 00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:22,550 S7: They provide solid teaching. Uh, they provide good theology. They 623 00:33:22,550 --> 00:33:27,229 S7: provide encouragement and strength. And, uh, people can trust the 624 00:33:27,230 --> 00:33:31,990 S7: programs like this. And the body of Christ needs this instruction, 625 00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:36,150 S7: this input, this encouragement that Christian radio provides. And I 626 00:33:36,150 --> 00:33:38,550 S7: would I perish the thought that we would have to 627 00:33:38,550 --> 00:33:40,230 S7: go without it. I just thank you all for what 628 00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:40,710 S7: you do. 629 00:33:40,830 --> 00:33:44,430 S6: Thank you. Sam. Sam storms and again, grab a link 630 00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:53,150 S6: text storm to 800 555 7898. Storm to 800 555 7898.