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S3: Hey. Good morning, I'm Ali, this is Carl and crew.

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S3: My first job at. I think I was 15 years

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S3: Thank you. From the bagel cutting. You know, it was.

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S3: Well, I remember a couple of months after graduating from college, I,

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S3: You are all about viewing work as calling work in

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448
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S3: It's good to identify that. Have some balance.

449
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S4: Yes. How about yourself?

450
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S3: I think for me it probably depends on the context.

451
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S3: I think if you catch me on a Sunday morning.

452
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S3: My kids will sometimes get frustrated with me because.

453
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S2: You don't leave. I know the.

454
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S3: Feeling. Wow. Like, mom, stop talking to people. As I

455
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S3: have my, like, sixth conversation on the way between the

456
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S3: sanctuary to the door and my kids are just standing

457
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S3: there like, come on, we're ready to go.

458
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S2: That's so.

459
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S3: Great. But I think walking into, like, a a new space,

460
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S3: like with people, I don't know, I think I sometimes

461
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S3: go surprisingly shy and a little bit quiet.

462
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S2: I get that.

463
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S3: We'll hang back. So I think and I think most

464
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S3: people are kind of like that, their context, you know,

465
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S3: we we joke that there's I have I have there's

466
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S3: four kids in my family, three girls and a boy,

467
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S3: and I'm the middle daughter and my older sister. She

468
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S3: is the best at small talk that I, I have

469
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S3: ever seen in my life. And so and we joke

470
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:29,470
S3: like if you have somewhere that you need to be,

471
00:23:29,470 --> 00:23:32,989
S3: just take Erica with you because she like, greases the

472
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S3: wheels of all of it. Because she has conversations and

473
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S3: and not just like, is she good at it? She

474
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S3: has such intentionality about, like, the way she shows care

475
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S3: for the details of people's lives. And so I remember

476
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S3: going to a work event that she had here in

477
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S3: the city, and it was like watching a master class.

478
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S3: And so she was bringing me around to these different people,

479
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S3: and she'd say, Ali, I would like for you to meet.

480
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S3: Let's say her name was Susan. I don't remember Susan.

481
00:24:01,750 --> 00:24:04,950
S3: Susan is one of our top notch employees at our company.

482
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S3: Susan has two kids, uh, Donovan, who's 16, and then

483
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S3: little Sarah. How is Sarah doing at soccer? Did she

484
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S3: have a game? And so she just.

485
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S2: That's so.

486
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S3: Great. And then on to the next person. And so

487
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S3: and she does it with just such ease. And we

488
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S3: all stand back, like when I am, I like five

489
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S3: minutes in, I'm tired. I want to go hide in

490
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S3: a corner somewhere. I can't think of anything else to

491
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S3: talk about. And she's just going. And we're like, how

492
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S3: do you do this? How have you mastered the art

493
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S3: of small talk?

494
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S2: That's so.

495
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S3: Awesome. Some people naturally consider themselves a little bit more outgoing.

496
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S3: Some of us are a little bit shy. Maybe introvert. Ambivert.

497
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S3: But we are all called to talk to people specifically

498
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S3: about Jesus.

499
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S4: Yes.

500
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S2: Amen.

501
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S3: Sometimes you feel like my personality gets in the way

502
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S3: of that. Oh, there's hope for you coming up, doctor

503
00:24:59,990 --> 00:25:00,950
S3: Heather Holloman.

504
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S1: Romans eight brought her to Jesus while broadcasting traffic overnight.

505
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S1: Super di is in the crew. It's Carol and crew

506
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S1: on Moody Radio.

507
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S3: It's very natural to want to know what does God

508
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:17,389
S3: want me to do? What is his purpose for my life?

509
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:22,230
S3: What is his plan? And sometimes it can feel frustratingly confusing.

510
00:25:22,270 --> 00:25:25,359
S3: Like there's this road that I'm supposed to be on,

511
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S3: but what if I don't find it? All week we've

512
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S3: been setting out to help answer this question for you.

513
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,879
S3: Not with specificity for you, but with principles and the

514
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S3: Word of God that are going to help you start

515
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S3: to discern what's my next step. Special guest with us

516
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S3: this morning, doctor Heather Holloman. She's an associate teaching professor

517
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S3: at Penn State, also a speaker and author. Take me

518
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S3: back to a time in your life where you wrestled

519
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S3: with this question. What is God's purpose for me? What

520
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S3: am I supposed to be doing?

521
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S7: Well, thank you for having me on your program. This

522
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S7: is going to be a great conversation. And I just

523
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S7: have to say, everything became really clear for me when

524
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S7: I was at the University of Michigan. I was getting

525
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S7: a PhD, but I was also reading my Bible, trying

526
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S7: to ask God, what is your plan for me? And

527
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S7: two Bible verses changed my life forever. The first was

528
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S7: John 2021 when Jesus says, As the Father has sent me,

529
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S7: so I send you. And acts one eight, where we

530
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S7: learn that we'll receive power when the Holy Spirit comes

531
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S7: on us to be his witnesses. So, Ali, that day

532
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S7: in the student union of the University of Michigan, I

533
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S7: began to really, for the first time, see myself as

534
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S7: sent to be a witness for Jesus. I knew nothing

535
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S7: about evangelism. I knew nothing about my purpose. But that day,

536
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S7: things started to change for me.

537
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S3: You know, when you think about sent most people, what

538
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S3: is going to come to mind, especially in a Christian context,

539
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S3: is missionary, I am right. I mean, I'm sent maybe

540
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S3: maybe there's a call for me to go someplace else

541
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S3: in the world to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ.

542
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S3: And for some people that is the case. But when

543
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S3: you say sent, it doesn't necessarily mean going anywhere differently

544
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S3: than you are right now.

545
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,040
S7: No, it means just the natural pathways of your life.

546
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S7: I was reading acts 17, where it talks about God's

547
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S7: searching out the exact places where we live. And I

548
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S7: thought to myself, all right, God, you can send me.

549
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S7: I'm in the English department, I have roommates, I'm in

550
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S7: a neighborhood. You know, I thought about where God had

551
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S7: placed me. And that day I said to the Lord,

552
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S7: you know, you can send me. I don't know what

553
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S7: I'm doing, but if you want to send me into

554
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S7: the lives of other people to tell them about you,

555
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S7: I will go wherever you send me. But it seems

556
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S7: like you have me right here. And sure enough, that

557
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S7: very day I got to talk to people about the Lord. Really?

558
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S7: For the first time, I was sharing my faith. And, um.

559
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S7: It's an incredible thing to just let God send you

560
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S7: right where you are. We learn in Second Corinthians where

561
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S7: Christ ambassadors, he's using us to spread the aroma of

562
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S7: Jesus wherever we go. It is a life changing way

563
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S7: to live your life.

564
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S3: Heather Holloman, our guest right now, she's authored the book

565
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S3: Scent Living a Life that Invites others to Jesus. You know,

566
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S3: when we think about God's mission, God's purpose, God's call,

567
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S3: I think many of us are waiting for some sort

568
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S3: of burning bush moment or something that feels very grand.

569
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S3: And what you're talking about can if we're not, if

570
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S3: we don't see it biblically, it can feel so ordinary,

571
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S3: like It's like, well, what do you mean? I'm just

572
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S3: supposed to look differently at what I'm doing right now?

573
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S7: That's absolutely right. And when you do that, life is

574
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S7: going to feel like a supernatural adventure. Our whole family

575
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S7: has organized our lives that we lay out in the

576
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S7: book the three core principles of assent life, God's at

577
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S7: work to draw people to himself. He's using people to

578
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S7: lead others to Jesus, and he's continually inviting us into

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S7: the work of evangelism. When we started to organize our

580
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S7: life that way, I woke up every day and I said, God,

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S7: no matter how depressed or anxious or confused I was,

582
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S7: I said, look, I'm still here. I'm alive in my neighborhood.

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S7: Would you send me and think about the intimacy with

584
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S7: Jesus if he is seeking and saving the lost, if

585
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S7: he wants to send us out to fish for people?

586
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S7: If you do that every day, you're going to feel

587
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S7: really close to Jesus and life is going to start

588
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S7: to shift for you.

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S3: Doctor Heather Holloman, our guest right now, coming up, I'm

590
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S3: going to ask her for some stories because boy, does

591
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S3: she have some. When you start asking questions like that, God,

592
00:29:18,010 --> 00:29:20,850
S3: where do you want to use me today? What mission

593
00:29:20,850 --> 00:29:22,770
S3: do you have? Who do you want me to talk to?

594
00:29:23,010 --> 00:29:25,650
S3: He actually answers those prayers in some pretty cool ways.

595
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S3: More coming up here on Carl and crew.

596
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S1: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to

597
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S1: Carl and crew.

598
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S3: Three core principles our guest shares on living a life.

599
00:29:38,130 --> 00:29:40,890
S3: Doctor Heather Holloman. Give us those core principles. Again.

600
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S7: God is always at work to draw people to himself.

601
00:29:44,450 --> 00:29:47,170
S7: He doesn't have to, but he uses us to lead

602
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S7: people to Jesus, and he's continually inviting us into the

603
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S7: work of evangelism. That's right, out of the Great Commission.

604
00:29:54,210 --> 00:29:57,810
S7: Matthew 28. This is a calling on your life that

605
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S7: God is going to send you, and you can trust

606
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S7: that Jesus has a great plan for you right where

607
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S7: you are today.

608
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S3: And this is a calling on the life of every believer, right?

609
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S3: I mean, because many people would listen, go, well, I

610
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S3: don't really have the gift of evangelism. That feels kind

611
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S3: of awkward. Maybe there are other things that I'm more

612
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S3: gifted in.

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S7: No. That's right. That's why my husband and I co-wrote

614
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S7: this book together, and why we speak at churches together.

615
00:30:21,260 --> 00:30:23,660
S7: I clearly have the gift of evangelism. I knew when

616
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S7: I was 12 years old, ash, my introverted husband who

617
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S7: does not have the gift of evangelism. He does what

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S7: Paul instructs Timothy to do the work of an evangelist

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S7: by faith, empowered by the Holy Spirit. My introverted husband,

620
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S7: who claims he does not have the gift of evangelism,

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S7: led two neighbors on our street to Jesus and he

622
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S7: disciples them. Now he's leading these brand new men who

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S7: just came to faith in their relationship with God. It's

624
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S7: amazing to see him leave every day and say, God,

625
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S7: would you send me?

626
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S3: Give me a story, I know you, you work in

627
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S3: higher ed, so you get to have conversations all the time,

628
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S3: but in a context where many people aren't necessarily going

629
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S3: to be inclined toward wanting to talk about Christian things.

630
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S3: But give me a story of how you've seen this

631
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S3: play out in your everyday life.

632
00:31:11,540 --> 00:31:13,860
S7: Well, the reason why this was so powerful is after

633
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S7: I was telling the Lord at that student union at Michigan.

634
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S7: You can send me the very first conversation I had

635
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S7: when I went back to the English department was this

636
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S7: incredible woman. She went on to be a professor at Harvard.

637
00:31:25,380 --> 00:31:28,060
S7: She said to me, Heather, we need to get together

638
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S7: because I just sense something different about you. I don't

639
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S7: know what it is, but when you walk into a room,

640
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S7: something's different. And in my mind I thought, oh my goodness,

641
00:31:36,780 --> 00:31:39,860
S7: it's the aroma that is talked about in Second Corinthians.

642
00:31:39,860 --> 00:31:42,100
S7: I don't even know if I believed it, but I said, okay,

643
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S7: that was the first time I got to just share

644
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S7: with her. We went out to coffee and she was.

645
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S7: It was incredible. Ali. She said to me, look, Heather,

646
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S7: I don't understand what I do, the things I don't

647
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S7: want to do, I do, and the things I do

648
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S7: I don't want to do who can help me? And

649
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S7: I said to her, listen, I'm new to this. I

650
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S7: don't know what I'm doing, but I'm reading the book

651
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S7: of Romans. This guy named Paul says the exact same

652
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S7: thing I read to her Romans seven, where Paul says,

653
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S7: you know, hey, who can help me? I'm a mess.

654
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S7: But at the end of that chapter, he says, who

655
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S7: can save me from this body of death? Thanks be

656
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S7: to God through Jesus Christ our Lord. It was the

657
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S7: first time I shared my faith with an academic, you know,

658
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S7: a professor. I was nervous. So God just began to

659
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S7: do incredible things. Now, as a professor, when students come

660
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S7: to my office hours, they ask about my faith. I'm

661
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S7: obviously free to talk to students anytime they ask about Jesus.

662
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S7: And you'd be amazed. It happens all the time. God

663
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S7: is really moving on the college campus, not just in students,

664
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S7: but in professors lives as well.

665
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S3: For the person listening right now, for everyone from the

666
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S3: businessman who's headed in to to work, maybe leads a

667
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S3: lot of people, a stay at home mom who doesn't

668
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S3: necessarily interact with a lot of adults during the day.

669
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S3: How does this perspective shift start to give you a

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S3: sense of purpose and mission, regardless of where you are

671
00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:58,030
S3: right now.

672
00:32:58,310 --> 00:33:00,630
S7: Regardless of where you are, one thing I recommend is

673
00:33:00,630 --> 00:33:03,870
S7: just pray. Ask God, say God, who are you sending

674
00:33:03,870 --> 00:33:06,670
S7: me to? Now it can be 2 or 3 people.

675
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:08,590
S7: My husband and I write down a list of five

676
00:33:08,590 --> 00:33:11,710
S7: names of neighbors. We want to bless, neighbors. We want

677
00:33:11,710 --> 00:33:14,350
S7: to get involved in their lives, and we begin praying.

678
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:17,430
S7: You can start praying right now. And in our book,

679
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:20,110
S7: we talk about the seven ways to pray for people

680
00:33:20,110 --> 00:33:22,550
S7: who don't yet know Jesus. The first thing is you

681
00:33:22,590 --> 00:33:25,550
S7: can say, God, would you give this neighbor or even

682
00:33:25,550 --> 00:33:28,870
S7: this child that you're with today a spirit of revelation

683
00:33:28,990 --> 00:33:31,710
S7: to know you, God? My favorite thing to pray for

684
00:33:31,710 --> 00:33:35,390
S7: students is Psalm 119, where the priest says, God, turn

685
00:33:35,390 --> 00:33:38,830
S7: my eyes from worthless things. Let not my heart be

686
00:33:38,830 --> 00:33:41,590
S7: drawn to what is evil. So I pray that for

687
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:44,190
S7: people I say, God, let not their heart be drawn

688
00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:46,750
S7: to what is evil. Turn them away from things that

689
00:33:46,750 --> 00:33:49,950
S7: are destroying their life. You can begin praying right now

690
00:33:50,190 --> 00:33:52,790
S7: and you will be amazed at what God does as

691
00:33:52,790 --> 00:33:54,470
S7: you begin to pray for people in your life that

692
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:55,310
S7: don't know him.

693
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:59,230
S3: You know, it's interesting that many people, according to Barna Research,

694
00:33:59,270 --> 00:34:02,150
S3: believe that sharing your faith is is wrong. I mean,

695
00:34:02,190 --> 00:34:04,990
S3: we are definitely now in a context where there's more

696
00:34:04,990 --> 00:34:09,470
S3: hostility to to Christianity in general, but also an idea

697
00:34:09,469 --> 00:34:12,600
S3: that everybody should kind of be respectful of other people's

698
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,640
S3: opinions in respectful means. I'm going to keep my religious

699
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,920
S3: views to myself, and you can keep yours to yourself.

700
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,480
S3: And then we can co-exist. Why is that the wrong

701
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,200
S3: way to view things?

702
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,960
S7: Well, when you live that way, you are missing out

703
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,040
S7: on an incredible opportunity to have what all the research

704
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,839
S7: in the social science world calls warm connections with people.

705
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,239
S7: People want to talk about the deepest things going on

706
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,520
S7: in their heart. My neighbours, when I say to them,

707
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,560
S7: you know, I'm a Christian, does it bother you that

708
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,920
S7: I talk so much about Jesus? Nobody has ever said no. Ali.

709
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,640
S7: And when I share with my, you know, atheist officemates

710
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,279
S7: things that God is doing in my life, stories I

711
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,760
S7: want to tell of how I've encountered him in the word.

712
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,680
S7: They're always hungry. They're like, yeah, tell us more. We

713
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,319
S7: want to know. I invite people, you know, I'll say

714
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,680
S7: to them, hey, we've had this great conversation. Is there

715
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,720
S7: anything I can pray for you about? Just maybe one

716
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,440
S7: thing people get excited to talk about their spiritual lives.

717
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,560
S7: And my husband and I care a lot about helping

718
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,960
S7: people have the warm connections that naturally lead to gospel conversations.

719
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,080
S7: So if you pick up the book sent, our next

720
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,560
S7: favorite book is called The Six Conversations and it's Pathways

721
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,440
S7: to how to connect with people in an age of

722
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,800
S7: isolation and incivility. People want to talk about their faith,

723
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,799
S7: enter into their lives. You're going to be amazed at

724
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,600
S7: the richness of your connection and conversation.

725
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,920
S3: You know, I think central to this is that connection

726
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,200
S3: between us and Jesus. You know, I remember being in

727
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,239
S3: youth group and and there was a lot of pressure to, hey,

728
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,839
S3: share your faith, invite people to church. And it all

729
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,120
S3: sounded good. But the problem is, I was I was

730
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,759
S3: spiritually pretty dead. And so I was trying to invite people,

731
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,200
S3: tell people, but it felt real hollow and empty. You

732
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,600
S3: cannot give out what you actually don't have. So I mean,

733
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:58,160
S3: this is definitely motivation to be cultivating that warm connection

734
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,720
S3: with our Heavenly Father. Therefore, we have something to give people, right?

735
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,480
S7: That's absolutely right. I mean, maybe one of the reasons

736
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,759
S7: people aren't sharing their faith is they actually don't have

737
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,490
S7: stories of transformation or stories of how Jesus has really

738
00:36:12,489 --> 00:36:15,930
S7: changed their lives and, you know, have met their deepest need.

739
00:36:15,969 --> 00:36:19,009
S7: The other thing ash and I love just knowing that

740
00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:21,890
S7: you can live today a spirit filled life. You can,

741
00:36:21,930 --> 00:36:24,530
S7: at this very moment, ask the Holy Spirit. Just control

742
00:36:24,530 --> 00:36:27,689
S7: and direct my life today. Guide me into places where

743
00:36:27,690 --> 00:36:30,089
S7: I can proclaim the gospel. Guide me to people that

744
00:36:30,090 --> 00:36:32,690
S7: I can bless. One thing I started doing that changed

745
00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:34,410
S7: my life is I wake up in the morning and

746
00:36:34,410 --> 00:36:36,529
S7: I say, God, could you send me to be the

747
00:36:36,530 --> 00:36:39,609
S7: answer to someone's prayer today? And then listen to what

748
00:36:39,610 --> 00:36:42,650
S7: the Holy Spirit does, how he leads, where he sends you?

749
00:36:42,650 --> 00:36:45,450
S7: It's a different way to live. And remember, I'm an academic.

750
00:36:45,450 --> 00:36:47,810
S7: If you're like, this is strange, I would never do this.

751
00:36:48,210 --> 00:36:52,890
S7: If you read God's Word, the Holy Spirit does odd things.

752
00:36:53,090 --> 00:36:56,049
S7: He will speak to you. He God will lead you.

753
00:36:56,050 --> 00:36:58,690
S7: And it's so exciting to think what he will do

754
00:36:58,730 --> 00:37:01,450
S7: as as you. Just trust him every day. So stay

755
00:37:01,450 --> 00:37:04,650
S7: close to him. You're absolutely right. As you read the word,

756
00:37:04,650 --> 00:37:07,730
S7: as you pray, as you surrender to Jesus, you're going

757
00:37:07,770 --> 00:37:10,930
S7: to have what we call stories of transformation that you

758
00:37:10,930 --> 00:37:14,569
S7: can share naturally in conversation. My favorite story to share

759
00:37:14,570 --> 00:37:17,770
S7: is my encounter with Jesus in Ephesians two, when God

760
00:37:17,770 --> 00:37:20,970
S7: really healed me from jealousy and comparison because I understood

761
00:37:20,969 --> 00:37:24,090
S7: I was already seated at the greatest table with Jesus

762
00:37:24,090 --> 00:37:25,570
S7: from Ephesians two six.

763
00:37:25,610 --> 00:37:26,330
S4: Oh, I bet that's.

764
00:37:26,330 --> 00:37:28,330
S3: A story someone wants to hear, right?

765
00:37:28,690 --> 00:37:30,250
S8: Well, I did write a book. I did write the

766
00:37:30,250 --> 00:37:33,009
S8: book called seated with Christ because it was such a

767
00:37:33,010 --> 00:37:34,930
S8: powerful story of transformation.

768
00:37:34,969 --> 00:37:37,730
S3: Oh, doctor Heather Holloman, our guest right now, she mentioned

769
00:37:37,730 --> 00:37:42,250
S3: a couple different titles. Her book sent also the six conversations.

770
00:37:42,250 --> 00:37:44,370
S3: I want you to text the word Heather and we'll

771
00:37:44,370 --> 00:37:49,650
S3: get you connected. Just text Heather to 805 55, 7898.

772
00:37:49,690 --> 00:37:53,930
S3: Text Heather to (800) 555-7898.

773
00:37:54,170 --> 00:37:56,850
S1: You can take him out of Alaska, but you can't

774
00:37:56,890 --> 00:38:00,730
S1: take Alaska out of him. Carl is in the crew.

775
00:38:00,969 --> 00:38:03,529
S1: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

776
00:38:03,610 --> 00:38:07,140
S3: Hey, O'Malley, this is Carl and crew. You've noticed you

777
00:38:07,140 --> 00:38:10,140
S3: haven't heard Carl's voice as much in some of our interviews.

778
00:38:10,260 --> 00:38:13,299
S3: He's actually traveling on a ministry trip, and coming up

779
00:38:13,300 --> 00:38:17,180
S3: you are going to hear from him. An update from Kenya.

780
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S1: Take your next step with Jesus today. You're listening to

781
00:38:22,180 --> 00:38:23,180
S1: Carl and crew.

782
00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:23,819
S4: It is.

783
00:38:23,820 --> 00:38:28,660
S3: Tuesday. We are broadcasting from downtown Chicago. At least three

784
00:38:28,660 --> 00:38:33,420
S3: of us are. Our fourth member is broadcasting from Kenya.

785
00:38:33,620 --> 00:38:34,740
S2: That's a little farther away.

786
00:38:35,219 --> 00:38:36,100
S4: A little further.

787
00:38:36,100 --> 00:38:39,100
S3: Away. Carl's on a ministry trip this week. We got

788
00:38:39,100 --> 00:38:40,779
S3: to hear from him yesterday, and I think we are

789
00:38:40,780 --> 00:38:43,379
S3: connected with him now. Okay. Give us the update.

790
00:38:43,420 --> 00:38:47,340
S9: Oh. It's overwhelming. Uh, you know, just this morning. So

791
00:38:47,380 --> 00:38:49,779
S9: we're we're nine hours ahead of you central time. But

792
00:38:49,780 --> 00:38:52,820
S9: just this morning, we've been out to see two first

793
00:38:52,820 --> 00:38:58,100
S9: generation church plants that come out of this multiplication discipleship

794
00:38:58,140 --> 00:39:02,299
S9: model through the Timothy Initiative. No joking. We were at

795
00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:05,980
S9: two churches today that were launched in October, and they've

796
00:39:05,980 --> 00:39:09,620
S9: already got a good number in there following in that flock.

797
00:39:09,620 --> 00:39:12,060
S9: Now here's what's amazing. These were red zones. These were

798
00:39:12,060 --> 00:39:16,620
S9: areas that had no Christian, no church, nothing. And in

799
00:39:16,620 --> 00:39:20,739
S9: October they've begun that gospel witness and lives are being transformed.

800
00:39:20,739 --> 00:39:25,140
S9: It's it's been absolutely staggering yet again today. I know

801
00:39:25,180 --> 00:39:27,460
S9: I'm trying to calm myself down here, but it's just

802
00:39:27,460 --> 00:39:28,700
S9: pretty powerful to witness.

803
00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:31,500
S3: Yeah. You know, when you say first generation churches. Okay,

804
00:39:31,540 --> 00:39:34,259
S3: so what is the what are the people like? Is

805
00:39:34,260 --> 00:39:37,660
S3: it mostly younger people or I'm assuming it's from the

806
00:39:37,660 --> 00:39:39,980
S3: surrounding villages. Describe what that's.

807
00:39:39,980 --> 00:39:43,299
S9: Like. Yeah. So in a given village these people might

808
00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:46,219
S9: have to walk a kilometer or two, uh, to, to

809
00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:47,899
S9: get there. But most of them are even a little

810
00:39:47,980 --> 00:39:50,739
S9: bit closer than that. And this is out in the

811
00:39:50,739 --> 00:39:53,820
S9: middle of what an American or Canadian or anyone listening

812
00:39:53,820 --> 00:39:56,180
S9: to us would say middle of nowhere. Okay, it's out,

813
00:39:56,219 --> 00:39:58,260
S9: it's in. And all of a sudden we're driving down

814
00:39:58,260 --> 00:40:02,100
S9: this pretty kind of rough road but paved road, and

815
00:40:02,140 --> 00:40:04,540
S9: there's somebody standing there and whoa, it's our next stop

816
00:40:04,540 --> 00:40:06,620
S9: and it's an hour down the road. I mean, it's

817
00:40:06,620 --> 00:40:09,739
S9: it's crazy. And so we pull in and sometimes our

818
00:40:09,739 --> 00:40:12,899
S9: vans get stuck in sand and it's everybody out and

819
00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:15,580
S9: let's push. I mean, it's quite an adventure, but it's

820
00:40:15,580 --> 00:40:19,580
S9: the greatest adventure. Seeing these first generation churches that are

821
00:40:19,580 --> 00:40:22,820
S9: filled with brand new disciples of Christ and their stories

822
00:40:22,820 --> 00:40:26,339
S9: are epic. I mean, we're getting people that have been

823
00:40:26,420 --> 00:40:31,819
S9: saved out of witchcraft radically like, radically saved. And this

824
00:40:31,820 --> 00:40:34,980
S9: morning I just greeted a woman. She was raised in

825
00:40:34,980 --> 00:40:39,219
S9: Muslim culture, and God has set her free. And the

826
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S9: cost for following Jesus in some of these communities can

827
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S9: be high for some of these people. But the the

828
00:40:45,620 --> 00:40:47,739
S9: fruit that's being born out of this is amazing. But

829
00:40:47,739 --> 00:40:52,819
S9: here's here's the staggering thing. They don't just invite them

830
00:40:52,820 --> 00:40:55,580
S9: people to be part of the to go to church.

831
00:40:55,700 --> 00:40:58,300
S9: They invite them to be the church. And so these

832
00:40:58,940 --> 00:41:03,910
S9: it's the principle of Paul, Timothy, Titus. and reaching more

833
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:06,630
S9: Titus and Titus in the language. Here are those brand

834
00:41:06,670 --> 00:41:11,470
S9: new believers. And it's it's overwhelming to see the transformative

835
00:41:11,469 --> 00:41:15,110
S9: power of the gospel. It's it's it's the same everywhere

836
00:41:15,110 --> 00:41:17,630
S9: we go in the world. But the amount of people

837
00:41:17,630 --> 00:41:21,870
S9: that are engaged in a philosophy that is radically transformative

838
00:41:21,870 --> 00:41:23,390
S9: here is overwhelming.

839
00:41:23,830 --> 00:41:26,549
S3: Carl's reporting live from Kenya this morning. He's on a

840
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:30,430
S3: ministry trip with the Timothy Initiative. Carl, what's been I

841
00:41:30,430 --> 00:41:32,270
S3: know you've been now on the ground for a couple

842
00:41:32,310 --> 00:41:35,070
S3: of days now. What's been some of your big takeaways?

843
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S3: I mean, obviously you don't go on a trip like

844
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S3: this and and not come back different.

845
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S9: Yeah. We had a debrief last night called an I

846
00:41:42,469 --> 00:41:45,230
S9: will kind of session as a result of what we saw.

847
00:41:45,590 --> 00:41:49,710
S9: And it casts such a vision for a multiplication model

848
00:41:49,710 --> 00:41:55,029
S9: that really enlists everyone in disciples making disciples. And I

849
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:57,830
S9: think oftentimes we reduce it to, wow, we got to

850
00:41:57,830 --> 00:42:01,509
S9: have a guy with this gift of evangelism, a gal

851
00:42:01,510 --> 00:42:04,230
S9: with the gift of evangelism. No, they believe that the

852
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:08,190
S9: whole church can evangelize. And they do. Uh, and it's

853
00:42:08,190 --> 00:42:11,110
S9: it's overwhelming. I got heads nodding here, left and right.

854
00:42:11,110 --> 00:42:13,430
S9: I got combi sitting right next to me. Could I

855
00:42:13,469 --> 00:42:15,830
S9: let you could I let you, uh, just hear his

856
00:42:15,830 --> 00:42:16,469
S9: heart a little bit?

857
00:42:16,510 --> 00:42:18,590
S3: Yes. I would love to. Now, who is combi?

858
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:22,029
S9: Combi? Yeah. His name is combi. Combi. You're on air

859
00:42:22,030 --> 00:42:25,509
S9: in America, man. Just speaking to this microphone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um,

860
00:42:25,550 --> 00:42:28,910
S9: God's doing a great work through the Timothy Initiative, isn't he?

861
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:32,790
S10: Yeah. Really? God is doing a great work in this region. Kenya,

862
00:42:32,830 --> 00:42:34,270
S10: the coastal area part.

863
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:37,550
S9: Yeah, yeah. Tell us what your what your heart is

864
00:42:37,550 --> 00:42:40,350
S9: for the people. You want them to hear the gospel, right, brother?

865
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:47,270
S10: Yeah. My heart is to reach the unreached people UPG. Yeah.

866
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:51,510
S10: So we are we are spreading the good news to those,

867
00:42:51,630 --> 00:42:56,270
S10: the Islamic people, those that are in witchcraft. So we

868
00:42:56,310 --> 00:43:00,960
S10: are spreading the good news everywhere. And our target is achieved.

869
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,640
S10: To say achieve it means that are to have a

870
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,000
S10: church in every village, everywhere.

871
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,160
S9: Achieve is an acronym for a church in every village. Everywhere.

872
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:12,200
S9: How about that alley?

873
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:13,200
S4: I love that.

874
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,560
S9: My goodness it's it's overwhelming. And these guys, these guys

875
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,960
S9: are rich. I got another guy on my left hand side, and, uh,

876
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,840
S9: his name is Barnabas. He's been one of our key translators.

877
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,440
S9: So if he can even translate for me, you know,

878
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,440
S9: he's got a gift, right? So, Barnabas. Man, um, what's

879
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,480
S9: on your heart? My man? It's been a joy to

880
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,520
S9: be with you for a few days. He's fighting a

881
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,239
S9: bit of a bug, but he's a soldier, and he's

882
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,680
S9: got a smile on his face. But what do you say, Barnabas?

883
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,680
S10: It's a pleasure to be speaking, uh, to Americans. Uh,

884
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,640
S10: we grateful to the Lord for the opportunities given us

885
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,720
S10: to serve in his vineyard. This is a great opportunity

886
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,759
S10: and a privilege of working with God, being in the

887
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,520
S10: commission with him, reaching the lost with the gospel. Yeah.

888
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:02,560
S10: The transforming message, and our desire is to see as

889
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,000
S10: many people as possible reached in our land. Uh, we've

890
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,879
S10: been working together with churches, working through the local church. Uh,

891
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,200
S10: and I've been privileged to be serving as the training

892
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,919
S10: coordinator in this region of East Africa. And we still work.

893
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,839
S10: There are still more people that are here to hear

894
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,759
S10: the gospel. And we believe with the partnership we are

895
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,759
S10: having with one another, the gospel will get to all

896
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:29,879
S10: these people. And in few years we will see a

897
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,120
S10: church in every village, everywhere. And that's what, uh, my

898
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,880
S10: colleague and friend, Pastor Kambi, has just shared briefly the

899
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,919
S10: desire he has of getting the gospel to everyone. And

900
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,759
S10: we we are grateful for this wonderful opportunity.

901
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,480
S9: It's it's it's amazing because they they are partnered up.

902
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,000
S9: Timothy Initiative is partnered up with a lot of brand

903
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,719
S9: new in Christ, but some that have been in the

904
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,640
S9: church and now have a vision for this multiplication model

905
00:44:56,730 --> 00:45:00,530
S9: that's catching wildfire. And I guess you asked me a question.

906
00:45:00,530 --> 00:45:05,130
S9: And here's the unstoppable challenge that I have. I can't

907
00:45:05,130 --> 00:45:08,009
S9: witness what I've seen here in Kenya, for which we

908
00:45:08,010 --> 00:45:11,810
S9: have great lessons to learn stateside and all across North America,

909
00:45:11,810 --> 00:45:15,050
S9: the church and the West. You can't sit on it.

910
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:18,130
S9: That's the problem. You can't sit on what you've seen.

911
00:45:18,290 --> 00:45:22,970
S9: It's it's that overwhelming. Um, Barnabas, give us some statistics.

912
00:45:22,969 --> 00:45:27,410
S9: How many thousands of churches have been planted just in

913
00:45:27,410 --> 00:45:30,850
S9: the last couple since 2017, let's say?

914
00:45:30,890 --> 00:45:35,610
S10: Yeah, since 2017. Uh, there's quite a number of churches

915
00:45:35,610 --> 00:45:38,609
S10: that have been planted. Uh, it's quite a big number

916
00:45:38,610 --> 00:45:41,410
S10: of churches that have been planted. But allow me just

917
00:45:41,410 --> 00:45:44,370
S10: to share the statistics that are fresh in my mind. Yeah. Uh,

918
00:45:44,410 --> 00:45:50,330
S10: for last year, the year 2025, we had a total

919
00:45:50,330 --> 00:45:54,890
S10: of over 42,000 churches that were planted globally. And some

920
00:45:54,890 --> 00:45:58,969
S10: of these churches were planted in places that were unchurched before.

921
00:45:59,250 --> 00:46:02,890
S10: They neither had a church nor a Christian. So our

922
00:46:02,890 --> 00:46:08,410
S10: disciples are the ones that were challenged to identify these areas,

923
00:46:08,690 --> 00:46:12,890
S10: get to start doing prayer works in those areas, and

924
00:46:13,170 --> 00:46:16,450
S10: proceed on to plant churches. And that's the strategy, the

925
00:46:16,450 --> 00:46:20,410
S10: strategy we have. We do evangelism. And after evangelism, those

926
00:46:20,410 --> 00:46:23,810
S10: that come to faith, we gather them together. And when

927
00:46:23,810 --> 00:46:27,530
S10: they are gathered together, they start growing to become a church.

928
00:46:27,570 --> 00:46:30,930
S10: And any new believer, one thing we remind them is

929
00:46:30,930 --> 00:46:33,690
S10: that all of us who believe in Christ, we are

930
00:46:33,690 --> 00:46:37,250
S10: his disciples. And as a disciple, you are supposed to

931
00:46:37,250 --> 00:46:40,570
S10: be a disciple maker. So that's the message we pass

932
00:46:40,570 --> 00:46:44,810
S10: across to all believers, and it has resulted to the

933
00:46:44,810 --> 00:46:49,290
S10: spread of the gospel. Churches have been planted in various

934
00:46:49,290 --> 00:46:52,410
S10: places and we celebrate the doing of the Lord. Like

935
00:46:52,410 --> 00:46:57,219
S10: those 45 catches for 5000 churches that have been planted

936
00:46:57,219 --> 00:47:01,940
S10: globally are, we believe they are, pillar and buttress of truth,

937
00:47:01,940 --> 00:47:04,540
S10: where God's people come and they are taught God's Word.

938
00:47:04,700 --> 00:47:08,259
S10: And still these churches are healthy, they are evangelizing, are

939
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:11,260
S10: trying also to care for the less fortunate in the community,

940
00:47:11,260 --> 00:47:16,060
S10: like widows are the vulnerable, the orphans, uh, and also

941
00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:19,140
S10: those that are being trafficked. We are trying all we

942
00:47:19,140 --> 00:47:22,380
S10: can to see that the community is well taken care of.

943
00:47:22,420 --> 00:47:25,420
S9: And they're doing it. Ali. Uh, Ali, what's staggering about

944
00:47:25,420 --> 00:47:28,620
S9: this is the amount of impact. I mean, the amount

945
00:47:28,620 --> 00:47:33,859
S9: of direct impact of the gospel on a community is inestimable.

946
00:47:33,980 --> 00:47:38,540
S9: It's it's beyond compare. Now, here's here's another wrinkle to

947
00:47:38,580 --> 00:47:40,299
S9: this thing. And I want to bring in Shauna, our

948
00:47:40,300 --> 00:47:42,500
S9: midday host, to kind of. Do we have time to

949
00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:43,500
S9: do this, Ali? Yeah.

950
00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:44,180
S3: Go ahead.

951
00:47:44,300 --> 00:47:47,580
S9: Okay. So here's the kicker on this. The amount of

952
00:47:47,580 --> 00:47:50,460
S9: time I'm going to have come on one side and Shauna,

953
00:47:50,460 --> 00:47:53,060
S9: our midday host on the other. I think this is

954
00:47:53,060 --> 00:47:55,739
S9: the thing that I've been processing. My bride has been

955
00:47:55,739 --> 00:47:57,980
S9: with me on this whole trip and it's been amazing.

956
00:47:57,980 --> 00:48:02,020
S9: But the amount of of, um, the amount of training.

957
00:48:02,260 --> 00:48:06,060
S9: This is serious business. Come. Come in here, man. Um,

958
00:48:06,100 --> 00:48:09,299
S9: you have got. These are hours. I was talking to

959
00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:13,660
S9: a pastor this morning, and we're talking five, six hours

960
00:48:13,660 --> 00:48:17,500
S9: a week of spiritual training that these men and women

961
00:48:17,500 --> 00:48:21,060
S9: are going through. Speak to that. That's. That's intense, isn't it?

962
00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:25,819
S11: Yeah, that's very true. Because, uh, Paul, that's having, uh,

963
00:48:25,860 --> 00:48:30,660
S11: Timothy's 25. Timothy's in one training center per week. He

964
00:48:30,660 --> 00:48:35,379
S11: trains for 5 to 6 hours. Yeah. That is we're

965
00:48:35,380 --> 00:48:38,420
S11: calling it class hours. And then the same, same week.

966
00:48:38,460 --> 00:48:42,660
S11: He's having six to. He's having 5 to 6 hours

967
00:48:42,660 --> 00:48:48,060
S11: in the field to visit the Timothy's churches that were planted. Yeah. Yeah.

968
00:48:48,100 --> 00:48:52,460
S9: Yeah. They invest in. It's kind of what. Jesus gave

969
00:48:52,460 --> 00:48:54,460
S9: his disciples when he sent them out two by two.

970
00:48:54,580 --> 00:48:58,220
S9: And here's the principle if they if they don't receive

971
00:48:58,219 --> 00:49:00,899
S9: you in the message, the word that you have, kick

972
00:49:00,940 --> 00:49:03,700
S9: the dust off your feet and move on. But if

973
00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:07,259
S9: they receive you, work with them, stay there. And that's

974
00:49:07,260 --> 00:49:09,739
S9: what that's what Ty is doing here. I mean, it's

975
00:49:09,739 --> 00:49:12,660
S9: it's amazing. So I'm going to kick it to Shawna here.

976
00:49:12,660 --> 00:49:15,980
S9: What do you say, sister? It's it's awesome what God's doing.

977
00:49:15,980 --> 00:49:18,060
S12: It's amazing. I just have to say really quick combi

978
00:49:18,060 --> 00:49:23,980
S12: that you just heard from. He oversees 48 training centers. Yeah, yeah.

979
00:49:24,219 --> 00:49:27,620
S12: So that's Paul's that are training Timothy's that are reaching

980
00:49:27,620 --> 00:49:30,339
S12: out to the Titus's. And we just visited a church

981
00:49:30,340 --> 00:49:34,900
S12: this morning and made some sweet friends there. Made a friend, Elise, who, um,

982
00:49:34,940 --> 00:49:37,620
S12: she's 17 years old. We prayed together. I said, how

983
00:49:37,620 --> 00:49:38,819
S12: can I pray for you? And she said, pray for

984
00:49:38,820 --> 00:49:40,460
S12: the funds for me to be able to go to school.

985
00:49:40,460 --> 00:49:42,060
S12: And I asked what she was going to be doing

986
00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:45,180
S12: today after our worship time together, which was just so sweet.

987
00:49:45,180 --> 00:49:46,700
S12: And she said, you know, mom and I are going

988
00:49:46,700 --> 00:49:49,540
S12: to be making charcoal, um, to be able to sell

989
00:49:49,710 --> 00:49:53,790
S12: charcoal to, to be able to provide for our family economy.

990
00:49:53,790 --> 00:49:57,750
S12: That's our economy. Yeah, dad's not there anymore. And, um, anyway,

991
00:49:57,950 --> 00:49:59,750
S12: this is the investment that you're making. I just want

992
00:49:59,750 --> 00:50:01,750
S12: to ask you right now, genuinely, I'm going to ask

993
00:50:01,750 --> 00:50:03,549
S12: you to actually pull out your phone and put this

994
00:50:03,590 --> 00:50:06,430
S12: on your calendar. Pick a day and a time when

995
00:50:06,430 --> 00:50:09,109
S12: you're going to regularly pray for what's happening through the

996
00:50:09,110 --> 00:50:12,270
S12: Timothy Initiative. And I even ask you to ask, Lord,

997
00:50:12,270 --> 00:50:13,950
S12: how do you want me to be a part of

998
00:50:13,950 --> 00:50:17,190
S12: making disciples who make disciples through the Timothy Initiative? What

999
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:19,830
S12: do you want me to give? What do you want

1000
00:50:19,830 --> 00:50:22,750
S12: me to do? Start praying into that right now because honestly,

1001
00:50:22,750 --> 00:50:24,510
S12: I can't think of a better cause.

1002
00:50:24,550 --> 00:50:28,270
S9: Yeah, yeah, it's a powerful and it's it's that moving.

1003
00:50:28,310 --> 00:50:30,149
S9: And we're going to have a big effort coming up

1004
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:32,790
S9: in April. I love the fact ever since I've been

1005
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:36,510
S9: at Moody, now almost 11 years, we have these global partners.

1006
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:39,710
S9: And when when it was made possible that we could

1007
00:50:39,710 --> 00:50:44,509
S9: partner with DTI, this is such serious return on your investment.

1008
00:50:44,910 --> 00:50:47,509
S9: This is such bang for the buck. And don't give

1009
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:49,870
S9: a penny today. Pray about it, because in April we're

1010
00:50:49,870 --> 00:50:51,190
S9: going to come to you and we're going to ask

1011
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:54,550
S9: you to open the floodgates and watch. God bless massively.

1012
00:50:54,550 --> 00:50:57,390
S9: And it's going to be an absolute beautiful thing.

1013
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:58,390
S12: I have one more thing.

1014
00:50:58,430 --> 00:50:58,710
S9: Yeah.

1015
00:50:58,989 --> 00:51:01,910
S12: Just as you're praying for what God would have you do,

1016
00:51:02,070 --> 00:51:03,950
S12: pray for the people that are doing the work that

1017
00:51:03,950 --> 00:51:06,029
S12: are on the ground, that are in the villages, that

1018
00:51:06,030 --> 00:51:10,750
S12: are sharing the gospel, that are actually infiltrating villages that

1019
00:51:10,750 --> 00:51:13,390
S12: do not have a Christian and do not have a church,

1020
00:51:13,390 --> 00:51:15,390
S12: so that others in the village will have a place

1021
00:51:15,390 --> 00:51:17,990
S12: to come and hear who Jesus is. So I'm asking

1022
00:51:17,989 --> 00:51:19,589
S12: you to pray for both. Pray for how God wants

1023
00:51:19,590 --> 00:51:22,069
S12: you to be involved. Pray for the people on the

1024
00:51:22,070 --> 00:51:23,189
S12: field right now doing the work.

1025
00:51:23,230 --> 00:51:25,430
S9: Yeah. And the coolest thing about this model, and I

1026
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:27,350
S9: was talking to David Nelms last night. He had to

1027
00:51:27,350 --> 00:51:30,190
S9: get out of here this morning. But I was talking

1028
00:51:30,190 --> 00:51:33,750
S9: to David Nelms, founder of T.I, and this is his deal.

1029
00:51:33,790 --> 00:51:37,469
S9: He had a dream that truly indigenous people would be

1030
00:51:37,469 --> 00:51:41,710
S9: equipped with the gospel, believing that they could actually do

1031
00:51:41,710 --> 00:51:44,790
S9: a better job of reaching their people. And it has

1032
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:50,000
S9: been fulfilled. And it is I. I just can't tell

1033
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,960
S9: you enough how extraordinary this is. Look, I've been pastoring

1034
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,520
S9: 40 years. Every pastor I know knows that our our

1035
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:02,160
S9: our chief aim is making disciples. We we we say that.

1036
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,840
S9: But TT they got the secret sauce going on here, Ali.

1037
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,000
S9: And it's cooking.

1038
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:08,640
S4: Wow.

1039
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:09,400
S9: Yeah.

1040
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,000
S3: So excited to get an update this morning. I know

1041
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,200
S3: as you're listening, you're going what was that Ministry the

1042
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:19,839
S3: Timothy initiative. They are disciple making ministry. The multiplication is

1043
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,160
S3: their model, not addition. So they are Paul's who are

1044
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,960
S3: training Timothy's, who are training Titus. Let me give you

1045
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:32,960
S3: some other numbers. In the last since 2007, 268,750 churches planted. Yeah,

1046
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:38,520
S3: you heard that right. Almost 269,000 churches planted. Almost 2.4

1047
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:45,120
S3: million new disciples. Uh, over 1700 unreached people groups impacted.

1048
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,040
S3: If you want more on this ministry. Karl is in

1049
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,239
S3: Kenya with his bride. Also, Shawn, our midday host, was

1050
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:56,040
S3: able to go as well. Just text Tim to 805 55, 78,

1051
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,240
S3: 98 if you want more on the Timothy Initiative. Just

1052
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:05,040
S3: text Tim to (800) 555-7898. We're going to let Karl and

1053
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,240
S3: his bride and Shauna and the team get back to

1054
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,600
S3: their work there in Kenya. But man, so great to

1055
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:15,399
S3: hear from him this morning. Text Tim to (800) 555-7898.

1056
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,360
S1: She was trying to earn her way to God, but

1057
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,840
S1: God showed her she didn't have to. Ali is in

1058
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,239
S1: the crew. It's Karl and crew on Moody Radio.

1059
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,440
S3: If you want to be someone who makes godly decisions,

1060
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,839
S3: who has godly discernment, you and I are going to

1061
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,719
S3: have to resist the temptation to be conformed to a

1062
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,680
S3: worldly way of looking at things.

1063
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,570
S2: Yeah, you're right about that, because the world has certainly

1064
00:53:45,570 --> 00:53:49,370
S2: influenced the way we think things should work.

1065
00:53:49,930 --> 00:53:52,370
S3: So let's take different, you know, some of the big

1066
00:53:52,370 --> 00:53:58,890
S3: bucket decisions that you're often faced with, often around relationships.

1067
00:54:00,090 --> 00:54:02,370
S3: Do I date this person or not? Do I continue

1068
00:54:02,370 --> 00:54:07,290
S3: this relationship or not? Um. Around jobs. Do I take

1069
00:54:07,290 --> 00:54:09,890
S3: this job? Do I make this move? Do I stay

1070
00:54:09,890 --> 00:54:13,370
S3: at this church or do I leave? Do I do x, y,

1071
00:54:13,370 --> 00:54:17,290
S3: or z? And when you just look at decisions, there's

1072
00:54:17,290 --> 00:54:20,890
S3: a worldly way of determining the right move here. And

1073
00:54:20,890 --> 00:54:23,730
S3: when it comes to let's take a job. Does this

1074
00:54:23,730 --> 00:54:29,370
S3: job make more money? Does this job advance my career

1075
00:54:29,370 --> 00:54:30,330
S3: in some way?

1076
00:54:30,770 --> 00:54:31,930
S2: Is it in a nice area?

1077
00:54:31,969 --> 00:54:33,890
S3: Is it a nice area if I'm going to be

1078
00:54:33,890 --> 00:54:36,530
S3: moving out? You know, the school is good for my kids.

1079
00:54:36,530 --> 00:54:38,730
S3: All of these things are great to consider.

1080
00:54:38,770 --> 00:54:41,129
S2: Absolutely. Doesn't mean we shouldn't ever think of those.

1081
00:54:41,170 --> 00:54:44,089
S4: Doesn't mean we disregard them. Exactly. Exactly.

1082
00:54:44,570 --> 00:54:48,489
S3: But we have to be aware of the ways that

1083
00:54:48,489 --> 00:54:51,450
S3: our mind is tempted to be conformed to simply looking

1084
00:54:51,450 --> 00:54:56,489
S3: at worldly things. And when we weigh out what makes sense,

1085
00:54:56,690 --> 00:54:58,770
S3: I want to read to you Romans 12 two do

1086
00:54:58,770 --> 00:55:02,210
S3: not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by

1087
00:55:02,210 --> 00:55:05,129
S3: the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may

1088
00:55:05,130 --> 00:55:07,410
S3: discern what is the will of God, what is good

1089
00:55:07,650 --> 00:55:12,290
S3: and acceptable and perfect. I want to know what is

1090
00:55:12,290 --> 00:55:14,049
S3: good and acceptable and perfect.

1091
00:55:14,650 --> 00:55:18,610
S2: Of course, don't you? Yes, we. If we're Jesus followers,

1092
00:55:18,610 --> 00:55:19,650
S2: we we do.

1093
00:55:19,690 --> 00:55:21,370
S3: If there's a way that I can know what is

1094
00:55:21,370 --> 00:55:24,609
S3: good and acceptable and perfect, sign me up. How does

1095
00:55:24,610 --> 00:55:26,649
S3: that happen? How do I know what is good and

1096
00:55:26,650 --> 00:55:29,250
S3: acceptable and perfect? How do I discern what is the

1097
00:55:29,250 --> 00:55:34,250
S3: will of God? The renewal of my mind? I am

1098
00:55:34,250 --> 00:55:38,169
S3: transformed by the renewing of my mind, which enables me

1099
00:55:38,170 --> 00:55:41,819
S3: to be sharper in my godly discernment to know what

1100
00:55:41,820 --> 00:55:45,140
S3: is good and acceptable and perfect. This is just a

1101
00:55:45,140 --> 00:55:48,100
S3: general principle for life. And think about the times in

1102
00:55:48,100 --> 00:55:52,060
S3: your life where your mind was not renewed. Maybe you

1103
00:55:52,100 --> 00:55:55,540
S3: were in Christ, but you were not focused on godly things.

1104
00:55:55,820 --> 00:55:58,859
S3: And so you made a decision that seemed like it

1105
00:55:58,860 --> 00:56:02,819
S3: was a great idea. It really seemed like this is

1106
00:56:02,820 --> 00:56:06,380
S3: the move here, but looking back, you go, hmm, I

1107
00:56:06,380 --> 00:56:08,260
S3: think I missed it on that one because I was

1108
00:56:08,739 --> 00:56:13,380
S3: being conformed to a worldly way of discerning things.

1109
00:56:13,420 --> 00:56:17,180
S2: Oh, yeah. Absolutely. You know, before I was saved, uh,

1110
00:56:17,180 --> 00:56:20,140
S2: when I was working at McDonald's in high school, I,

1111
00:56:20,180 --> 00:56:23,460
S2: you know, the schedule came out, you know, two weeks before,

1112
00:56:23,500 --> 00:56:25,540
S2: a week beforehand, something like that. And you could see

1113
00:56:25,540 --> 00:56:27,460
S2: where you were set. Once the schedule was set, the

1114
00:56:27,460 --> 00:56:30,100
S2: schedule was set. You were responsible for your own hours. Well,

1115
00:56:30,100 --> 00:56:32,940
S2: I had realized that I had, like a youth group

1116
00:56:32,940 --> 00:56:35,020
S2: party going on at my house on a night that

1117
00:56:35,020 --> 00:56:37,339
S2: I was working, and I was like, well, no, I

1118
00:56:37,340 --> 00:56:39,620
S2: forgot to ask off for this stuff and I'm already on.

1119
00:56:39,620 --> 00:56:41,500
S2: What do I do? How do I get out of it?

1120
00:56:41,540 --> 00:56:44,380
S2: So in my mind, the the good thing to do

1121
00:56:44,420 --> 00:56:47,500
S2: was to lie and make up an excuse that I

1122
00:56:47,500 --> 00:56:49,859
S2: was like, out of town or something. And I had

1123
00:56:49,860 --> 00:56:56,580
S2: no ability to come into work. And, uh. And thinking

1124
00:56:56,580 --> 00:57:01,419
S2: back on that now, I'm like, absolutely not. There's no

1125
00:57:01,420 --> 00:57:03,940
S2: chance one, I either have to eat it or I

1126
00:57:03,940 --> 00:57:05,899
S2: have to say, hey, I made a mistake and forgot

1127
00:57:05,900 --> 00:57:09,420
S2: to ask off. Can you help me? Uh, but lying

1128
00:57:09,460 --> 00:57:12,219
S2: about that now, no, my mind's been transformed. Back in

1129
00:57:12,219 --> 00:57:15,140
S2: the day that I didn't think another thought about it.

1130
00:57:15,180 --> 00:57:17,100
S2: It was do what you gotta do to get what

1131
00:57:17,100 --> 00:57:20,740
S2: you want. And now it's. No. My mind has been

1132
00:57:20,740 --> 00:57:23,260
S2: transformed by Christ. I don't live that way anymore. I

1133
00:57:23,260 --> 00:57:24,820
S2: don't think that way anymore.

1134
00:57:25,380 --> 00:57:28,300
S3: I love that. Is that such a practical example? You know,

1135
00:57:28,340 --> 00:57:32,220
S3: because you can find yourself wanting to, you know, cut,

1136
00:57:32,260 --> 00:57:35,180
S3: cut a corner here, maybe shade the truth a little

1137
00:57:35,220 --> 00:57:39,750
S3: bit here because in your mind like the the end

1138
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:41,870
S3: result is worth it, right? And so as long as

1139
00:57:41,870 --> 00:57:45,070
S3: I get to this thing, does it really matter how

1140
00:57:45,070 --> 00:57:45,830
S3: we get there?

1141
00:57:45,870 --> 00:57:46,310
S4: Right.

1142
00:57:46,550 --> 00:57:50,510
S3: And it's it's tempting to do this. Yes. And so

1143
00:57:50,510 --> 00:57:53,750
S3: if you are faced with a big decision, you know,

1144
00:57:53,790 --> 00:57:55,790
S3: I wish that there was always some sort of like,

1145
00:57:55,830 --> 00:57:59,070
S3: flashing light sign that said, go this way, now go

1146
00:57:59,110 --> 00:58:02,590
S3: this way. Left here now. Right. Like I, at least

1147
00:58:02,590 --> 00:58:05,510
S3: in my life, I have not always gotten that level

1148
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:09,390
S3: of certainty. But here's the principle, though. Allow your mind

1149
00:58:09,390 --> 00:58:12,350
S3: to be renewed. If you're if you're in a state

1150
00:58:12,350 --> 00:58:14,350
S3: of a little bit of confusion, kind of wondering, what

1151
00:58:14,350 --> 00:58:16,590
S3: do I do? What do I do here? Get close

1152
00:58:16,590 --> 00:58:21,710
S3: to Jesus, seek him. Yes, for the answer, but for

1153
00:58:21,710 --> 00:58:24,910
S3: your mind to be renewed so that your godly discernment

1154
00:58:24,910 --> 00:58:28,630
S3: is being sharpened. Do not be conformed to this world,

1155
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:31,910
S3: but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that

1156
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:34,710
S3: by testing you may discern what is the will of God,

1157
00:58:34,990 --> 00:58:38,190
S3: what is good and acceptable and perfect.