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S1: and Crew. We got a couple baby stories for you.

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S1: Got a couple of them. Yesterday I got a call

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S1: I'm on the list. Yeah. What happened is my. My

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S4: Well, this is usually the time of year that people,

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S4: You know that feeling, right? Cathy?

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S5: I could afford. But my son desperately needed shoes to

456
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,640
S5: start school. And so we go to goodwill and we're

457
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:40,320
S5: looking around and the pickings are slim. And my son

458
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,840
S5: grabs a pair of shoes. He goes, I want these.

459
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:48,240
S5: And he grabbed them from the size eight shelf. But

460
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,720
S5: at the time he was a men's size 11. I'm like, buddy,

461
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,880
S5: you know, we can't be shopping in that section. And

462
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,920
S5: so I grabbed them from him to put them back.

463
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,000
S5: And I look at the tag on the shoes. By

464
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,760
S5: the way, never Been worn. Still has the original tag

465
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:05,240
S5: on them.

466
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:05,600
S3: Oh my.

467
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,600
S5: Goodness. And friends, if those were not a size 11

468
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,359
S5: and I, I broke down and I cried in the

469
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,600
S5: middle of the goodwill. At the time, I just was

470
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,760
S5: thanking God, thanking God. And then I thought about the

471
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:24,070
S5: guy or more likely his wife, who says you've had

472
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:26,870
S5: these Nike shoes for years and you haven't worn them?

473
00:22:26,869 --> 00:22:30,190
S5: I'm going to donate them. And instead of holding on

474
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:32,869
S5: to them to try to recoup some of that cost

475
00:22:32,869 --> 00:22:35,909
S5: or whatever goes through our brain when we hang on

476
00:22:35,950 --> 00:22:38,790
S5: to things we don't need to hang on to. They

477
00:22:38,790 --> 00:22:43,230
S5: decided to be generous, and it changed the trajectory of

478
00:22:43,230 --> 00:22:46,189
S5: my son, starting in a brand new school. I am

479
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:49,030
S5: grateful to that woman every single day.

480
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:53,830
S1: This is power. Okay. Fear, guilt and shame, I love that.

481
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:58,030
S1: That is so good. How do you break? Okay, fear.

482
00:22:58,030 --> 00:23:00,510
S1: We get it. That we've got to trust in the Lord.

483
00:23:00,910 --> 00:23:04,109
S1: Guilt is a. That's probably my biggest sticking point because

484
00:23:04,109 --> 00:23:06,389
S1: I get a lot of things given to me just

485
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:08,470
S1: because I'm a pastor. And.

486
00:23:08,510 --> 00:23:08,830
S3: Right.

487
00:23:08,910 --> 00:23:11,870
S1: They just get handed to me and I have battled.

488
00:23:11,869 --> 00:23:13,510
S1: So you know what I've done? I'm going to be

489
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:15,109
S1: so self effacing here.

490
00:23:15,150 --> 00:23:15,469
S3: Tell me.

491
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:18,670
S1: I hold on to things for a time, and then

492
00:23:18,670 --> 00:23:21,310
S1: I feel like if I've held on to it long enough,

493
00:23:21,820 --> 00:23:24,500
S1: It's kind of grandfathered into. Now I can hand it

494
00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:27,180
S1: off to someone else. And then one day I thought, well,

495
00:23:27,180 --> 00:23:30,940
S1: that's crazy thinking. Can't you just pick that up one time, Kathy,

496
00:23:30,940 --> 00:23:34,100
S1: and go, okay, I'm not going to be a slave

497
00:23:34,100 --> 00:23:36,820
S1: to this guilt. How do you break free from that?

498
00:23:36,940 --> 00:23:41,260
S5: I'll give you two different ideas. One. Oftentimes I like

499
00:23:41,260 --> 00:23:44,980
S5: to think about myself as just being the passer honor.

500
00:23:45,380 --> 00:23:49,340
S5: You know, somebody gives me something. It belongs to somebody else.

501
00:23:49,460 --> 00:23:51,780
S5: It's my job to get it to them. So that

502
00:23:51,780 --> 00:23:54,020
S5: doesn't mean I need to hand it to them directly.

503
00:23:54,060 --> 00:23:56,940
S5: It means it needs to be donated like those shoes

504
00:23:57,140 --> 00:24:00,780
S5: or when I've been given a bonus before. Maybe that

505
00:24:00,780 --> 00:24:04,580
S5: money isn't necessarily all for me. Maybe some of it

506
00:24:04,580 --> 00:24:06,980
S5: is for our food pantry here, which is one of

507
00:24:06,980 --> 00:24:10,700
S5: our favorite charities here. So to think about yourself as,

508
00:24:10,859 --> 00:24:12,860
S5: am I supposed to hold on to this? Or am

509
00:24:12,859 --> 00:24:15,540
S5: I supposed to be the one who gets it to

510
00:24:15,580 --> 00:24:18,940
S5: the right place? The other thing I would love for

511
00:24:18,940 --> 00:24:22,210
S5: you to consider. You know, I lost my dad about

512
00:24:22,730 --> 00:24:25,889
S5: 13 years ago, and at first I felt like I

513
00:24:25,890 --> 00:24:28,970
S5: had to keep everything to honor his memory. But then

514
00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:31,290
S5: what I decided is I didn't need to keep a

515
00:24:31,290 --> 00:24:35,330
S5: bunch of things in drawers. I needed to curate just

516
00:24:35,330 --> 00:24:38,330
S5: a few items. You know, one item was something that

517
00:24:38,330 --> 00:24:41,410
S5: was important to me and him. One item was something

518
00:24:41,410 --> 00:24:46,090
S5: that really represented him. And so I've got about six

519
00:24:46,090 --> 00:24:50,330
S5: things in a shadow box that represent my relationship with

520
00:24:50,330 --> 00:24:53,290
S5: my dad, which is so much more meaningful than a

521
00:24:53,290 --> 00:24:55,290
S5: bunch of things scattered throughout my house.

522
00:24:55,290 --> 00:24:56,450
S1: Or hidden in a cupboard.

523
00:24:56,450 --> 00:24:57,330
S5: Exactly.

524
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S4: Cathy Lipp, our guest this morning. She has a ton

525
00:25:00,450 --> 00:25:05,369
S4: of resources, books, but also blogs. There are three questions

526
00:25:05,369 --> 00:25:08,890
S4: to ask clutter free. Three clarifying questions. I'm not going

527
00:25:08,890 --> 00:25:10,450
S4: to give them to you. You got to look on

528
00:25:10,490 --> 00:25:16,649
S4: their site. Text clutter to 800 555 7898. You take

529
00:25:16,650 --> 00:25:18,879
S4: a look around. You're going to get some good motivation

530
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,320
S4: and some practical help to start today. Text clutter to

531
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S4: (800) 555-7899 eight.

532
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,040
S8: Take your next step with Jesus today. You're listening to

533
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,120
S8: Carl and Crew.

534
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,919
S4: Our theme this week and I hope you've been enjoying it.

535
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,840
S4: It's been hope rising. Talking about hope and all of

536
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:41,399
S4: these different circumstances. Sometimes difficult. Leonard. Thanks, junior. Our guest

537
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,200
S4: right now, pastor apologist. He's an emerging theologian based in

538
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,800
S4: the Cleveland area where he serves as a pastor and

539
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:52,119
S4: church planner. Would you agree that one of the most

540
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,800
S4: dangerous things to lose is hope?

541
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,960
S9: Yeah, I think that, um, you don't have anything to

542
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,560
S9: believe in and anything to hope for a future or

543
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,200
S9: anything like that. It can create discouragement in the current

544
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,040
S9: season of life, especially when we live with different circumstances

545
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,120
S9: and things. For sure.

546
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,520
S4: And, you know, and I think about, you know, living

547
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:15,000
S4: in any big city, you encounter people from all walks

548
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:20,150
S4: of life, all different set of circumstances and background. Sometimes

549
00:26:20,150 --> 00:26:22,429
S4: you can look into the eyes of a person down

550
00:26:22,430 --> 00:26:26,830
S4: and out and up and out. You can see businessmen.

551
00:26:26,869 --> 00:26:28,990
S4: You can see a homeless person. But sometimes you look

552
00:26:28,990 --> 00:26:32,429
S4: into the eyes of a person and you see there's

553
00:26:32,430 --> 00:26:35,710
S4: no hope. There's no hope. There's no hope that life

554
00:26:35,710 --> 00:26:37,870
S4: can be better than it is. There's no hope that

555
00:26:37,869 --> 00:26:42,389
S4: circumstances will ever change. Have you ever been in that place, pastor,

556
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:46,150
S4: where if someone were to look into your eyes, like, really? Look,

557
00:26:46,350 --> 00:26:47,430
S4: there was no hope.

558
00:26:47,869 --> 00:26:51,429
S9: Yeah. I mean, there's many a times in my life specifically, um,

559
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:53,550
S9: where they could have looked at that. Obviously it's been

560
00:26:53,550 --> 00:26:55,950
S9: changed a lot. Now my relationship with Jesus.

561
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:56,510
S3: Sure.

562
00:26:56,550 --> 00:26:59,109
S9: Yeah. Kind of post my relationship with Jesus. There were

563
00:26:59,109 --> 00:27:01,470
S9: many times in that. And some of those times are

564
00:27:01,470 --> 00:27:04,430
S9: actually what led me. I think that God used to

565
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:07,270
S9: really start to soften my heart and pierce through my heart,

566
00:27:07,270 --> 00:27:09,189
S9: to make me open to receive him.

567
00:27:09,230 --> 00:27:12,630
S4: Yeah. Take us back to before you were pastor of

568
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:17,220
S4: Reach City Church in Ohio, before you were an apologist

569
00:27:17,420 --> 00:27:21,180
S4: studying theology. Talk about your early years.

570
00:27:22,020 --> 00:27:24,580
S9: You know, I was just really troubled kid in and

571
00:27:24,580 --> 00:27:28,300
S9: out of jail my whole life. Um, but specifically, I

572
00:27:28,300 --> 00:27:31,660
S9: remember kind of the moment, the last situation that kind

573
00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:34,179
S9: of led me to Christ facing five years waiting to

574
00:27:34,180 --> 00:27:36,979
S9: go to trial. You know, I was guilty at video

575
00:27:36,980 --> 00:27:39,980
S9: evidence and things like that. And so it really wasn't

576
00:27:39,980 --> 00:27:42,260
S9: any hope of actually getting out. It was kind of

577
00:27:42,300 --> 00:27:44,500
S9: like more so trying to prepare for what the next

578
00:27:44,500 --> 00:27:47,420
S9: five years will look like. And then going from my daughters.

579
00:27:47,420 --> 00:27:49,900
S9: And so that was probably one of the moments, the

580
00:27:49,900 --> 00:27:52,740
S9: last moments where it was just like complete feeling of hopelessness.

581
00:27:52,780 --> 00:27:55,460
S9: And I remember for me, that was kind of what

582
00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:57,900
S9: led me to reading the Bible. That's what led me

583
00:27:57,900 --> 00:28:01,140
S9: to pray, to seek God, to ask him and make

584
00:28:01,140 --> 00:28:02,899
S9: this deal with him, to kind of get me out

585
00:28:02,940 --> 00:28:06,220
S9: of jail. And so in that moment, God used that

586
00:28:06,220 --> 00:28:10,020
S9: hopelessness and that defeated ness to actually soften my heart,

587
00:28:10,020 --> 00:28:12,300
S9: to turn to him. And obviously in turning to him,

588
00:28:12,340 --> 00:28:15,290
S9: miraculously got out of jail, and then my whole trajectory

589
00:28:15,290 --> 00:28:16,730
S9: of my life shifted and changed.

590
00:28:16,890 --> 00:28:19,730
S4: What was the deal that you made with God? If

591
00:28:19,770 --> 00:28:21,530
S4: you get me out of this, I'll serve you. Was

592
00:28:21,530 --> 00:28:22,929
S4: it something along those lines?

593
00:28:22,970 --> 00:28:25,090
S9: Yeah. If you give me out of here, I'll serve

594
00:28:25,090 --> 00:28:27,449
S9: you the rest of my life. And for the longest

595
00:28:27,450 --> 00:28:30,170
S9: I used to tell that testimony is like. For some reason,

596
00:28:30,369 --> 00:28:33,290
S9: God believed me and got me out. But truthfully, that's

597
00:28:33,290 --> 00:28:35,850
S9: not the truth. At the end of the day. The

598
00:28:35,850 --> 00:28:39,530
S9: rest of the story actually is happening behind the scenes

599
00:28:39,530 --> 00:28:42,570
S9: that I didn't even know about while I was in jail.

600
00:28:42,810 --> 00:28:44,850
S9: A friend of mine was a part of a young

601
00:28:44,850 --> 00:28:47,690
S9: adult ministry, and they used to have Sunday prayer nights,

602
00:28:47,730 --> 00:28:50,210
S9: and I didn't know this until after I got out later,

603
00:28:50,330 --> 00:28:51,690
S9: because I ended up being a part of that group.

604
00:28:51,690 --> 00:28:54,810
S9: But she went to them and said, hey, my friend

605
00:28:54,850 --> 00:28:57,770
S9: is in jail. He asked me some questions about God.

606
00:28:57,930 --> 00:28:59,850
S9: Can we just begin to pray that God would do

607
00:28:59,850 --> 00:29:02,290
S9: something in his heart while he's in there? Wow. And

608
00:29:02,290 --> 00:29:04,890
S9: so what I learned later, it wasn't that God, for

609
00:29:04,890 --> 00:29:08,130
S9: some reason believed me because, you know, I mean, John

610
00:29:08,130 --> 00:29:10,770
S9: chapter two says, man, Jesus doesn't entrust himself to man

611
00:29:10,810 --> 00:29:13,280
S9: because he knows what's in there. And even men with

612
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,600
S9: the best intentions will still fail, will still turn their

613
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,200
S9: back on. God will still walk another way. But it

614
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,000
S9: was actually these prayers of these righteous people who were

615
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,360
S9: praying that God would do a work in my life.

616
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,040
S9: That was actually the cause of the answer of my prayer,

617
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,680
S9: that it was less about me and more about him

618
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,040
S9: being faithful to the prayers of the righteous. Hearing their

619
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,160
S9: prayers and then responding to their prayers. Not my prayers.

620
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:39,840
S9: I thought it was my prayers, but it was really

621
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,840
S9: their prayer that he responded to and worked on my behalf.

622
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,320
S4: How soon after your release did you know you were

623
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,920
S4: going to be a pastor? I mean, you said you,

624
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,080
S4: I'll give you my life. I'll serve you whether or

625
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,920
S4: not you meant it fully. How soon after?

626
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,120
S9: Probably maybe about a year and a half in. I

627
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,240
S9: felt like I had this love for the word and

628
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,920
S9: wanted to communicate his word. And then kind of the

629
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,640
S9: call for the pastor came a little bit later. But

630
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,680
S9: I was so arrogant and so prideful. I also reverted

631
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,959
S9: with just this desire to be the man. Even in

632
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,000
S9: the church space, you know? And so 2010 is when

633
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,680
S9: I got saved. Three years later, it's kind of where

634
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,200
S9: that press will be like. I feel like God, maybe

635
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,040
S9: calling me later to shepherd people.

636
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,800
S4: Leonard. Thanks, junior. Our guest right now out of the

637
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,040
S4: Cleveland area, pastor, church planter, reached city church. You know,

638
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,320
S4: when you think about hope, hope is anchored in the

639
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,120
S4: faithfulness of God. More coming up with pastor tanks right

640
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,200
S4: here on Carl and crew.

641
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,680
S8: He's a sports fanatic with a stat for anything you

642
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,960
S8: can think of. Young Thunder is in the crew. It's

643
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,160
S8: Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

644
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,760
S4: We've got a special guest with us this morning. His

645
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,680
S4: name is Leonard. Thanks, junior. A familiar voice to those

646
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,560
S4: of you in the Cleveland area. He is the pastor

647
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:02,240
S4: of Reach City Church in Cleveland, Ohio. Powerful testimony. You know,

648
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,120
S4: when you think about hope, everybody wants to have a hope.

649
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,990
S4: But it's usually usually linked to a hope that something

650
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:13,430
S4: in my life will change as far as circumstances. When

651
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:15,990
S4: we think about a hope that's anchored in the faithfulness

652
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:21,550
S4: of God. Sometimes our immediate circumstances change, but sometimes they don't.

653
00:31:21,630 --> 00:31:23,150
S4: Explain that a little bit.

654
00:31:23,630 --> 00:31:28,990
S9: We think that Hope answered is always like, well, I

655
00:31:29,030 --> 00:31:32,510
S9: prayed and God was. If God is faithful, then he's

656
00:31:32,510 --> 00:31:36,270
S9: going to immediately change my circumstance. And these situations might change.

657
00:31:36,270 --> 00:31:39,670
S9: But I think the reality is not necessarily that the

658
00:31:39,670 --> 00:31:43,590
S9: circumstances and situations will change immediately, but it's that the

659
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:46,790
S9: faithfulness of God is that he will bring about his

660
00:31:46,790 --> 00:31:50,150
S9: desired plans. At the end of the day, it will happen.

661
00:31:50,150 --> 00:31:52,430
S9: And I think about when you read the scriptures, you

662
00:31:52,430 --> 00:31:56,030
S9: see the faithfulness of God being declared to Israel. And

663
00:31:56,030 --> 00:31:59,910
S9: yet Israel was still find themselves in captivity for 70 years.

664
00:32:00,110 --> 00:32:03,350
S9: But during those 70 years, God was still faithful. And

665
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:06,070
S9: he even said to them, hey, my plan is to

666
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:08,340
S9: give you a hope and a future. And so this

667
00:32:08,340 --> 00:32:11,780
S9: 70 years of discipline is not meant to destroy you.

668
00:32:12,020 --> 00:32:15,260
S9: And I will be faithful to bring you out of this.

669
00:32:15,260 --> 00:32:17,660
S9: But your circumstance will be what it is for the

670
00:32:17,660 --> 00:32:20,860
S9: next 70 years. I think about the faithfulness of God

671
00:32:20,860 --> 00:32:24,660
S9: and the life of the disciples, where Jesus says to

672
00:32:24,700 --> 00:32:27,820
S9: them in Mark 14, he says, hey, I'm going to

673
00:32:27,820 --> 00:32:31,620
S9: be arrested, and you're going to abandon me, right? But hey,

674
00:32:31,660 --> 00:32:33,780
S9: I'm going to go ahead of you. When I rise

675
00:32:33,780 --> 00:32:36,940
S9: and meet you in Galilee. And he was being faithful

676
00:32:36,940 --> 00:32:39,300
S9: to his disciples in the mission that he had called

677
00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:42,940
S9: them to, even though they still abandoned him, they still

678
00:32:42,940 --> 00:32:45,380
S9: fled from him. But what was the message that the

679
00:32:45,380 --> 00:32:48,300
S9: angels gave to Mary at the tomb? Go and tell

680
00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:50,460
S9: the disciples that he is going ahead of you to

681
00:32:50,500 --> 00:32:53,980
S9: Galilee like he told you. And so I'm still faithful

682
00:32:53,980 --> 00:32:57,180
S9: to my promise to you. And though you may have

683
00:32:57,420 --> 00:33:00,100
S9: abandoned me, and maybe in that current circumstance, you were

684
00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:03,420
S9: still hiding and afraid. But I'm going to be faithful

685
00:33:03,420 --> 00:33:05,210
S9: to what I said to you. And I'm going to

686
00:33:05,250 --> 00:33:07,650
S9: Galilee to meet you there. And in that place I

687
00:33:07,690 --> 00:33:10,930
S9: will recommission you. I will restore you and recommission you

688
00:33:10,930 --> 00:33:14,650
S9: based upon my faithfulness to you, not based upon your

689
00:33:14,650 --> 00:33:17,330
S9: intentions or your failures or your circumstances. And so I

690
00:33:17,330 --> 00:33:20,650
S9: think sometimes we have to have a hope that it

691
00:33:20,650 --> 00:33:23,650
S9: doesn't matter what it looks like today, that if God

692
00:33:23,650 --> 00:33:26,850
S9: has promised or spoken something over our life, he will

693
00:33:26,850 --> 00:33:31,090
S9: be faithful even through our failures and our struggles and

694
00:33:31,090 --> 00:33:33,410
S9: our humanity to bring it about.

695
00:33:33,810 --> 00:33:36,130
S4: How have you seen this in your own life, where

696
00:33:36,610 --> 00:33:39,890
S4: maybe there was some circumstances that didn't go quite how

697
00:33:39,890 --> 00:33:43,330
S4: you had thought or expected, but God allowed you to

698
00:33:43,410 --> 00:33:44,450
S4: continue to hope.

699
00:33:44,770 --> 00:33:45,810
S9: Church planting.

700
00:33:46,050 --> 00:33:46,330
S3: Oh.

701
00:33:46,970 --> 00:33:52,570
S9: Like I am a church planter. And it's hard seasons.

702
00:33:52,570 --> 00:33:56,130
S9: It's hard seasons. It's hard weeks. It's hard months. You know,

703
00:33:56,170 --> 00:33:58,850
S9: God has spoken a clear vision to me and my wife.

704
00:33:58,850 --> 00:34:00,969
S9: It's 3:00 in the morning. It's been written down in

705
00:34:00,970 --> 00:34:04,440
S9: a journal since 2019. But along the journey, it doesn't

706
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,720
S9: necessarily look like we saw the vision to be. And

707
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,279
S9: there's been seasons in my life, specifically two years ago

708
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,480
S9: where I was really discouraged. And I'm like, God is

709
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,839
S9: have you taken your oil from me? AM I no

710
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,040
S9: longer graced to do this work? Because I don't understand

711
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,200
S9: why we're not seeing what I saw that you gave

712
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,080
S9: us to build here. And I was really hopeless. I

713
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,440
S9: ain't gonna lie. I was hopeless, and a lot of

714
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,640
S9: it was connected to, you know, seeing other people and

715
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,399
S9: different things like that. But one of the things that

716
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,680
S9: God told me during that season specifically was he had

717
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,400
S9: me reading Deuteronomy chapter seven, where he talked about that

718
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,920
S9: the Israelites would not be able to take the land

719
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,960
S9: all at once, because if they would, the inhabitants of

720
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,560
S9: the land would overpower them and be too much for them.

721
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,239
S9: And so he said, I'm going to drive them out

722
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,279
S9: little by little. And he and he reminded me, they're like, hey,

723
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,879
S9: I'm still faithful to what I showed you. But if

724
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,000
S9: I give it all to you right now, it'll be

725
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,880
S9: too much and it'll actually destroy you. So little by little,

726
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,120
S9: I'm building what I showed you. And that gave me hope.

727
00:35:01,390 --> 00:35:04,910
S9: and little by little, we have seen God continuing to

728
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:07,629
S9: bring bits and pieces of what he showed me and

729
00:35:07,630 --> 00:35:09,870
S9: my wife. And so I had to hold on to

730
00:35:09,870 --> 00:35:12,750
S9: the fact that, hey, even if it doesn't look like

731
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:16,069
S9: what he showed you, he's still being faithful to bring

732
00:35:16,070 --> 00:35:18,669
S9: it through. But in his wisdom and in his timing,

733
00:35:18,670 --> 00:35:20,950
S9: so that what he showed us can thrive and be

734
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:25,750
S9: successful versus engulfing us and overpowering us and overwhelming us.

735
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:28,350
S9: And then we burn out and can't handle it. And

736
00:35:28,350 --> 00:35:32,510
S9: so church planting is like the very real practical right now, uh,

737
00:35:32,590 --> 00:35:34,950
S9: hope leaning on the faithfulness of God.

738
00:35:34,989 --> 00:35:37,790
S4: Yeah. I appreciate you sharing that with us, Leonard. Thanks, junior.

739
00:35:37,830 --> 00:35:40,990
S4: Our guest. If you want more on the ministry, Reach

740
00:35:40,989 --> 00:35:43,910
S4: City Church is the name of the one he pastors.

741
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:50,029
S4: Just text reach to (800) 555-7898. Just that one word. Reach

742
00:35:50,190 --> 00:35:53,150
S4: 800 555 7898.

743
00:35:53,550 --> 00:35:56,150
S8: Your shot of hope to get you through the day.

744
00:35:56,430 --> 00:35:59,790
S10: You are so, so loved. God does not want you

745
00:35:59,790 --> 00:36:01,900
S10: to stay in your past, and I want you to

746
00:36:01,940 --> 00:36:03,140
S10: know and believe that today.

747
00:36:03,180 --> 00:36:05,060
S8: You're listening to Carl and Crew.

748
00:36:05,940 --> 00:36:09,060
S1: So we're going to do something really fun here. I

749
00:36:09,060 --> 00:36:11,620
S1: want to tell you one of my favorite stories in

750
00:36:11,620 --> 00:36:16,060
S1: the Old Testament and in the entire Bible. It's so epic.

751
00:36:18,580 --> 00:36:22,540
S1: It's a story that is filled with heartache and pain.

752
00:36:22,739 --> 00:36:26,819
S1: It's gruesome. It's tough. Uh, we might do it. In fact,

753
00:36:26,820 --> 00:36:30,220
S1: let me do a little ear warning here right now. Um,

754
00:36:30,660 --> 00:36:33,900
S1: I'm not going to be too graphic, but the story

755
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:37,300
S1: in itself is. I mean, you make a movie of this.

756
00:36:37,340 --> 00:36:40,540
S1: It's R-rated. There's no way around it. It's no way

757
00:36:40,540 --> 00:36:44,219
S1: around it. It's just one of those stories. But in it,

758
00:36:44,219 --> 00:36:46,980
S1: there's some different elements of Hope rising. And I'm going

759
00:36:46,980 --> 00:36:48,820
S1: to ask my team to help me out here because

760
00:36:48,820 --> 00:36:51,100
S1: I'm going to tell this story, and then we're going

761
00:36:51,140 --> 00:36:55,060
S1: to grab an aspect of this story for Hope rising

762
00:36:55,060 --> 00:36:59,050
S1: and just hear what's on your heart this morning. Take

763
00:36:59,050 --> 00:37:01,050
S1: me just a moment to kind of frame this out.

764
00:37:01,450 --> 00:37:08,770
S1: The year is probably 850 BC. The location is Israel.

765
00:37:09,370 --> 00:37:13,730
S1: The king is Jehoram and he's a godless king. So

766
00:37:13,850 --> 00:37:17,250
S1: here you've got a nation that is led by a

767
00:37:17,250 --> 00:37:20,810
S1: guy who is far from God. Well, a guy named

768
00:37:20,810 --> 00:37:24,089
S1: Ben Hadad, he's the king of Syria. He comes in

769
00:37:24,090 --> 00:37:31,169
S1: and surrounds Samaria, the city of Samaria in Israel. And

770
00:37:31,170 --> 00:37:35,930
S1: as the story goes, he absolutely cuts off all supply

771
00:37:35,930 --> 00:37:38,569
S1: lines to this city. No one's getting in, no one's

772
00:37:38,570 --> 00:37:41,089
S1: getting out. But what's worse than that is there is

773
00:37:41,090 --> 00:37:46,690
S1: no supplies. Getting in in the city is going to starve.

774
00:37:46,690 --> 00:37:50,489
S1: And that's Ben Haddad's goal. We're going to starve him out, man.

775
00:37:50,530 --> 00:37:54,170
S1: We're going to starve him out. Now, in the city

776
00:37:54,210 --> 00:37:59,520
S1: happened to be the prophet Elisha. So he's huddled with

777
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,560
S1: some elders down kind of in the bowels of this city.

778
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,960
S1: And he's a God fearing, godly guy. And there's godly

779
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,520
S1: people in this city, for sure. But I mean, when

780
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,680
S1: I see things are getting bad, they're getting bad. Like

781
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,640
S1: dove dung was selling for like a month's wages. What

782
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,160
S1: would have been a month's wages? Like they're trying to

783
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,560
S1: get some nutrition from dove poop guys. Literally.

784
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:24,280
S2: It's crazy.

785
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,839
S1: They are taking dead horses heads chopping them off. And

786
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,839
S1: there's there. Oh boy. Little ear warning here. They're scooping

787
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,759
S1: out any kind of nutrients, probably from cheek bones and

788
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,600
S1: different things from a horse head and maybe even the

789
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:44,920
S1: matter inside the cranium, trying to be somewhat careful here.

790
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,200
S1: And so that sold a horse head was selling for

791
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:54,960
S1: a year's wages and he gets worse. Uh, Jehoram evil king,

792
00:38:55,070 --> 00:38:58,510
S1: You know he's wailing. What's going on here? He's walking

793
00:38:58,550 --> 00:39:01,109
S1: the walls, looking down at his people, and all of

794
00:39:01,110 --> 00:39:06,509
S1: a sudden he hears a woman just screaming, Kang Kang.

795
00:39:07,469 --> 00:39:10,310
S1: He's like, what's going on? Be quiet. And she goes,

796
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:14,230
S1: I can't be quiet. I struck a deal with this woman.

797
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:16,430
S1: So imagine a king standing on a wall, and he's

798
00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:20,029
S1: looking down at these two women, and he's looking at

799
00:39:20,030 --> 00:39:22,270
S1: this woman. He's going, what's going on? She says, I

800
00:39:22,270 --> 00:39:25,470
S1: struck a deal with my friend. We each have a son.

801
00:39:25,469 --> 00:39:27,790
S1: And yesterday we struck a deal. I mean, this is

802
00:39:27,790 --> 00:39:30,910
S1: how the how strong the famine was. We're going to

803
00:39:30,910 --> 00:39:38,350
S1: take my son's life, and it's cannibalism. I'm not even

804
00:39:38,350 --> 00:39:40,629
S1: going to get the words out here like that. You

805
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:43,910
S1: can put two and two together. And we struck a

806
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:47,750
S1: deal that yesterday we'd take my son, and today we'd

807
00:39:47,790 --> 00:39:52,910
S1: take her son and she hit her son. Okay, this

808
00:39:52,910 --> 00:39:56,460
S1: is dark times, man. Can anyone else feel with me

809
00:39:56,500 --> 00:39:57,780
S1: how brutal this is?

810
00:39:58,060 --> 00:40:00,980
S4: Yeah. I mean, the fact that it's hard to even, like,

811
00:40:01,219 --> 00:40:01,980
S4: say the words to.

812
00:40:02,020 --> 00:40:02,339
S3: Get out.

813
00:40:02,380 --> 00:40:03,140
S4: What was happening.

814
00:40:03,180 --> 00:40:05,140
S1: You can't say the words. I mean, even in an

815
00:40:05,140 --> 00:40:08,020
S1: R-rated movie, you can't depict this stuff.

816
00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:08,620
S3: Okay?

817
00:40:08,660 --> 00:40:09,740
S2: No, you can't, you can't.

818
00:40:11,860 --> 00:40:16,020
S1: And Elijah, he's huddled down. He doesn't know what's going

819
00:40:16,020 --> 00:40:22,259
S1: up above deck. Jehoram. This evil king. He's like, well,

820
00:40:22,260 --> 00:40:24,259
S1: he he doesn't even know who to yell at. He's

821
00:40:24,260 --> 00:40:26,540
S1: not a God fearing man. He's not crying out to God.

822
00:40:26,540 --> 00:40:32,939
S1: But he sits down in ashes and he yells at

823
00:40:32,940 --> 00:40:35,620
S1: his right hand man. He says, you go get Elijah.

824
00:40:35,660 --> 00:40:37,660
S1: I'm going to kill that guy, this prophet of God.

825
00:40:37,660 --> 00:40:42,380
S1: I'm going to kill him. So he's headed down this

826
00:40:42,380 --> 00:40:45,819
S1: right hand man of the king, and he's heading down

827
00:40:45,820 --> 00:40:50,540
S1: into the bowels. And and God's Spirit tells Elijah, there's

828
00:40:50,540 --> 00:40:53,410
S1: a dude coming for your neck. So they block the door.

829
00:40:54,210 --> 00:40:57,649
S1: And this right hand man of King Jehoram outside and

830
00:40:57,650 --> 00:41:01,210
S1: he says, listen, you're you're a you're going to die.

831
00:41:01,410 --> 00:41:04,130
S1: Come out of there. We're chopping your head off today.

832
00:41:04,410 --> 00:41:09,970
S1: And Elisha says, listen, things are really bad here right now,

833
00:41:09,969 --> 00:41:16,490
S1: but my God is going to change the economy here radically.

834
00:41:16,489 --> 00:41:20,569
S1: In 24 hours from now, we will have all the

835
00:41:20,570 --> 00:41:24,649
S1: food we need. And the guy says, even if God

836
00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:26,649
S1: were to open up the windows of heaven, this ain't

837
00:41:26,650 --> 00:41:29,850
S1: going to happen. He said, it will happen, but you

838
00:41:29,850 --> 00:41:36,170
S1: won't see it. So the story shifts gears in chapter

839
00:41:36,210 --> 00:41:39,649
S1: seven of Second Kings. And it's so wild because verse

840
00:41:39,650 --> 00:41:42,730
S1: three says, now there were four men who were lepers.

841
00:41:42,890 --> 00:41:44,569
S1: So that's the only verse I'm going to look down

842
00:41:44,570 --> 00:41:46,810
S1: and read. Other than that, it's just from my heart here.

843
00:41:47,050 --> 00:41:49,370
S1: So there were four men who were lepers. And when

844
00:41:49,370 --> 00:41:52,090
S1: you read the story, you're like, whoop! Plot shift.

845
00:41:52,130 --> 00:41:54,010
S2: Okay, you can see the scene change.

846
00:41:54,050 --> 00:41:57,649
S1: Yeah, I mean, scene change. We're now outside. So these

847
00:41:57,650 --> 00:42:00,009
S1: four lepers were outside at the gate and they'd been

848
00:42:00,010 --> 00:42:03,850
S1: begging bread. It's it's a tough business to be begging

849
00:42:03,850 --> 00:42:07,090
S1: bread when the economy is as bad as it is.

850
00:42:07,130 --> 00:42:07,530
S3: Yeah.

851
00:42:07,570 --> 00:42:09,850
S2: In a city where there's a famine, because everything is

852
00:42:09,890 --> 00:42:10,930
S2: being bottlenecked.

853
00:42:11,370 --> 00:42:11,730
S3: Yes.

854
00:42:11,770 --> 00:42:15,049
S1: Yeah. They're not getting dip diddly squat. No, they're not

855
00:42:15,050 --> 00:42:18,930
S1: even getting dove squat. All right. They're not getting anything.

856
00:42:19,969 --> 00:42:22,569
S1: So they're like one of the guys says the other three.

857
00:42:22,610 --> 00:42:24,730
S1: He says, hey man, why don't we just head to

858
00:42:24,730 --> 00:42:28,450
S1: the Syrian camp? I mean, if we if we die,

859
00:42:28,450 --> 00:42:32,009
S1: we die. We're dying anyway. And who knows what might happen?

860
00:42:32,290 --> 00:42:35,210
S1: So these four lepers start shuffling their feet to the

861
00:42:35,210 --> 00:42:39,610
S1: Syrian camp. And the way the text goes is that

862
00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:42,649
S1: to Ben Haddad in all of his army, and we're

863
00:42:42,650 --> 00:42:47,609
S1: talking throngs of guys here. It sounded like what had

864
00:42:47,610 --> 00:42:51,279
S1: happened is King Joram had gotten some allies outside and

865
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,560
S1: aligned some armies against them, and what they hear from

866
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,360
S1: amplified eight feet of four lepers. So God took eight

867
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,960
S1: feet shuffling through the sand and made it sound like chariots, warriors,

868
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:08,799
S1: and like he supercharged with the soundtrack. All these guys.

869
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:08,960
S3: This.

870
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:09,680
S4: Is wild.

871
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,520
S1: This is a wild deal. And what do they do?

872
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:18,760
S1: They're so freaked out, they leave everything. I mean, fires

873
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:24,720
S1: are cooking, tents are up, gold is in place. Foodstuffs, horses,

874
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,880
S1: everything is right there. And so these four lepers walk

875
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,560
S1: into camp, the Syrian camp, and it's fully abandoned, like

876
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,879
S1: acres and acres of a camp or abandoned. There is

877
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,400
S1: no one there. And they're chowing down and they're going

878
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,200
S1: from fire to fire, and they're like, this is unbelievable.

879
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,200
S1: And then one of them says, hey, maybe we should

880
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:45,760
S1: tell the folks back in Samaria.

881
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:46,440
S3: About this.

882
00:43:46,670 --> 00:43:48,790
S2: And good on them for thinking to do that.

883
00:43:48,830 --> 00:43:49,670
S3: Because.

884
00:43:50,110 --> 00:43:52,510
S2: Because these are the people who are, you know, stuck

885
00:43:52,510 --> 00:43:55,189
S2: outside because they're not allowed to be in with the

886
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:57,750
S2: rest of the people. Yeah. And they could have thought

887
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:59,270
S2: to themselves, it's all ours.

888
00:43:59,310 --> 00:44:01,989
S1: Well, and they could have thought, these guys, they hate

889
00:44:01,989 --> 00:44:04,870
S1: us anyway. The reason they're outside is they're lepers. They

890
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:08,110
S1: got a skin disease and they're like, get out of here. Yeah.

891
00:44:08,830 --> 00:44:12,350
S1: So they go, you know what? We should. So they

892
00:44:12,350 --> 00:44:16,109
S1: go back and they tell they tell. They get message

893
00:44:16,310 --> 00:44:20,830
S1: to King Joram. And and these guys are doing what

894
00:44:20,830 --> 00:44:23,509
S1: I would do, which is like, these guys are lying.

895
00:44:23,989 --> 00:44:25,109
S1: They're lying through their teeth.

896
00:44:25,150 --> 00:44:26,189
S2: Oh, sure. They're just.

897
00:44:26,830 --> 00:44:27,230
S3: They're.

898
00:44:27,230 --> 00:44:31,750
S1: Thinking, they're thinking Ben Hadad, he's set them up. And

899
00:44:32,110 --> 00:44:35,270
S1: these guys have now flipped sides. Who knows what they're thinking?

900
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:38,830
S1: But they're thinking this is a bunch of hooey. So

901
00:44:38,989 --> 00:44:42,070
S1: on a whim, he says, send out our our couple

902
00:44:42,110 --> 00:44:44,830
S1: of live horses with riders. So they had a couple

903
00:44:44,830 --> 00:44:48,420
S1: in there and they're like, send them out and see

904
00:44:48,420 --> 00:44:51,380
S1: what's going on. And these guys start riding and they

905
00:44:51,420 --> 00:44:53,739
S1: are blown away. Not only did that was that whole

906
00:44:53,739 --> 00:44:56,420
S1: camp left behind, but these guys are throwing off cloaks.

907
00:44:56,420 --> 00:44:59,780
S1: They're throwing off any swords, any weights as they're running

908
00:44:59,780 --> 00:45:04,100
S1: away from this non-existent military force that they think is

909
00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:09,899
S1: chasing them down. And Elijah's words were true because then

910
00:45:09,900 --> 00:45:13,420
S1: the word came back and the whole city, I mean,

911
00:45:13,460 --> 00:45:17,340
S1: flooded the exits and they're like storming the gates, getting out,

912
00:45:17,380 --> 00:45:20,940
S1: going to the Syrian camp and the messenger, the right

913
00:45:20,940 --> 00:45:24,780
S1: hand man. Because remember what Elijah said? He said, yeah,

914
00:45:24,820 --> 00:45:27,060
S1: the windows of heaven are going to be opened up

915
00:45:27,180 --> 00:45:28,939
S1: and you're going to see it, but you aren't going

916
00:45:28,980 --> 00:45:32,500
S1: to taste it. And he got trampled under feet, dead

917
00:45:32,980 --> 00:45:36,380
S1: by the crowd that was storming out of the gates

918
00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:40,820
S1: of the city of Samaria. And the whole thing was changed.

919
00:45:41,219 --> 00:45:48,090
S1: The entire economy went from obscene poverty, despicable acts to

920
00:45:48,130 --> 00:45:53,689
S1: everything they needed and more in 24 hours. Now, one

921
00:45:53,690 --> 00:45:56,850
S1: of the dangers with the story like this is that

922
00:45:56,850 --> 00:45:59,930
S1: you've got such a crisis. You need hope so much

923
00:46:00,330 --> 00:46:04,330
S1: that you start superimposing that this will happen for me.

924
00:46:04,370 --> 00:46:04,770
S2: Sure.

925
00:46:05,969 --> 00:46:10,450
S1: But there are some hopeful premises in this text. What

926
00:46:10,450 --> 00:46:11,690
S1: are some of them, guys?

927
00:46:12,450 --> 00:46:16,810
S2: I think that that God takes care of his people.

928
00:46:16,810 --> 00:46:18,529
S2: It may not always be in the way that we

929
00:46:18,530 --> 00:46:22,890
S2: think or expect or even sometimes wish it would. But

930
00:46:22,930 --> 00:46:25,210
S2: I mean, Jesus tells us that if we look at

931
00:46:25,210 --> 00:46:26,970
S2: the birds and we look at the lilies, he takes

932
00:46:26,969 --> 00:46:29,970
S2: care of them. So. So it may not be in this,

933
00:46:30,210 --> 00:46:32,930
S2: this type of grand way that the promise is going

934
00:46:32,969 --> 00:46:35,330
S2: to show for you too. But I think it does

935
00:46:35,330 --> 00:46:37,250
S2: show in the promise that he does take care of

936
00:46:37,250 --> 00:46:37,690
S2: his people.

937
00:46:37,730 --> 00:46:37,969
S3: Okay.

938
00:46:38,010 --> 00:46:39,330
S1: And I'm going to up the bar a little bit.

939
00:46:39,370 --> 00:46:42,480
S1: God can do radically miraculous provisions.

940
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:42,880
S3: Yes.

941
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:50,560
S1: Not just birdseed, 100%. God. God can do radically instantaneous deliverance.

942
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,280
S1: And we, I think all of us at some level

943
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,680
S1: can look back in our life and go, whoa, that

944
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,200
S1: was from the hand of God. And it came out

945
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:58,400
S1: of the blue and it was huge.

946
00:46:58,440 --> 00:46:59,080
S2: No doubt, no.

947
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,040
S1: Doubt, no doubt about it. Anything else that we see?

948
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:03,440
S3: I think, well.

949
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,400
S10: God can use anyone. I mean, hope is for anyone.

950
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,879
S10: The lepers. It's not for the prominent. It's not for

951
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,840
S10: the kings. It's hope is for.

952
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:12,640
S3: Everyone.

953
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,720
S10: And available to everyone. I should say.

954
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:19,040
S1: Yeah. No, that's that's a phenomenal observation that God is

955
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,120
S1: no respecter of persons. He'll use anyone, even the ones

956
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,239
S1: that were seen as unclean and despicable. Ali, what do

957
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:25,720
S1: you think?

958
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,440
S4: I think also just that, uh, having keeping a posture

959
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,799
S4: of faith. I mean, I don't think we should take

960
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,160
S4: it literally that God's going to strike us down dead

961
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,080
S4: if we have a moment of doubt. I think that

962
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,000
S4: that would be a misapplication of Scripture here.

963
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:39,480
S3: Right?

964
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,830
S4: But certainly we don't want to be the one who

965
00:47:43,150 --> 00:47:48,390
S4: someone saying, God, God can do it. And we're going, okay, yeah, right.

966
00:47:48,430 --> 00:47:48,910
S2: Yeah.

967
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:49,590
S3: Oh, that.

968
00:47:49,630 --> 00:47:53,870
S1: Hold it. Stop there. That's a killer observation. Don't be

969
00:47:54,270 --> 00:47:56,950
S1: Debbie Downer on people, right?

970
00:47:56,989 --> 00:47:57,509
S3: Yes, yes.

971
00:47:57,550 --> 00:47:58,270
S4: I mean on God.

972
00:47:58,310 --> 00:48:02,630
S1: Ultimately on, on on on about two people about God.

973
00:48:02,670 --> 00:48:02,830
S3: Yeah.

974
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:06,270
S1: Don't do that because we don't know how God may provide.

975
00:48:06,310 --> 00:48:09,430
S2: And I think this is important because the man showed

976
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:12,430
S2: a lack of faith after he was told by a

977
00:48:12,430 --> 00:48:16,029
S2: prophet of God, this is what would happen. And so

978
00:48:16,030 --> 00:48:19,950
S2: I think I think sometimes, I mean, Elisha was obviously

979
00:48:19,950 --> 00:48:22,390
S2: known as a man of God, and someone who spoke

980
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:24,989
S2: on behalf of God or God would speak through on

981
00:48:24,989 --> 00:48:27,950
S2: a common basis. And so it was it was already

982
00:48:27,950 --> 00:48:31,390
S2: known that God spoke through Elisha. So I think we

983
00:48:31,390 --> 00:48:33,870
S2: can also take this application that we read the the

984
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:38,860
S2: promises in Scripture sometimes, and we don't believe them. That is.

985
00:48:38,860 --> 00:48:41,340
S2: That is a word that has already been given to

986
00:48:41,380 --> 00:48:45,060
S2: us by God, and therefore we. We have no right

987
00:48:45,060 --> 00:48:45,940
S2: to not trust it.

988
00:48:45,940 --> 00:48:46,380
S3: Yeah.

989
00:48:46,420 --> 00:48:49,299
S1: Don't get the spirit of Jehoram on you. Get that

990
00:48:49,620 --> 00:48:50,259
S1: off of you.

991
00:48:50,300 --> 00:48:52,700
S2: Absolutely. If God says it's going to be done, then

992
00:48:52,700 --> 00:48:53,540
S2: it's going to be done.

993
00:48:53,580 --> 00:48:54,220
S1: Yeah, man.

994
00:48:54,980 --> 00:48:57,540
S10: And I would just say, don't hoard hope. Hope is

995
00:48:57,540 --> 00:48:59,580
S10: to be shared. You know, for a.

996
00:48:59,620 --> 00:48:59,819
S3: While.

997
00:48:59,860 --> 00:49:01,460
S10: The lepers were like, hey, we're going to keep this

998
00:49:01,460 --> 00:49:05,060
S10: to ourselves and thought, no, we got to share hope.

999
00:49:06,540 --> 00:49:10,379
S1: So we're doing this live. Ali, what do you think

1000
00:49:10,380 --> 00:49:15,339
S1: is a reasonable question? I've teed up thought here that

1001
00:49:15,340 --> 00:49:17,779
S1: we want to give the boom crew today. So we

1002
00:49:17,820 --> 00:49:19,620
S1: gave them a smattering of things here.

1003
00:49:19,660 --> 00:49:23,260
S4: Yeah. I think if you can recall a time where

1004
00:49:23,260 --> 00:49:27,540
S4: you felt hopeless, you were fighting to hold on to

1005
00:49:27,580 --> 00:49:30,740
S4: hope in a hopeless situation, and you saw God move

1006
00:49:30,739 --> 00:49:34,379
S4: in some in some way. Maybe it felt like, man,

1007
00:49:34,380 --> 00:49:36,500
S4: just the window opened just a little bit and you

1008
00:49:36,540 --> 00:49:39,890
S4: got a glimpse of maybe it was a floodgates opened up.

1009
00:49:40,050 --> 00:49:43,010
S4: But you were in a hopeless situation, but you clung

1010
00:49:43,050 --> 00:49:48,529
S4: to hope and saw God move. 800 555 7898, 800

1011
00:49:48,570 --> 00:49:51,049
S4: 555 78, 98.

1012
00:49:51,090 --> 00:49:51,490
S3: Boom.

1013
00:49:51,530 --> 00:49:54,089
S1: That is the question. We want to hear about that.

1014
00:49:54,090 --> 00:49:57,290
S1: And you know what? That little moment of hope is

1015
00:49:57,290 --> 00:50:01,170
S1: going to be? Hope. Rising vision for someone else. Our

1016
00:50:01,210 --> 00:50:04,770
S1: God's not dead. He's not done. Give us a call

1017
00:50:04,770 --> 00:50:08,090
S1: 800 555 7898.

1018
00:50:08,570 --> 00:50:11,330
S8: Your shot of hope to help you through the day.

1019
00:50:11,610 --> 00:50:14,690
S8: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

1020
00:50:15,010 --> 00:50:15,490
S3: You know.

1021
00:50:16,290 --> 00:50:19,690
S1: We've got to be careful with this. This is not presumption.

1022
00:50:19,690 --> 00:50:22,450
S1: It's not forecasting for God. This is what you're going

1023
00:50:22,489 --> 00:50:25,170
S1: to do. It's coming open handed saying, God, I'm believing

1024
00:50:25,170 --> 00:50:27,730
S1: you for something and I don't know what it's going

1025
00:50:27,770 --> 00:50:30,210
S1: to look like, but you can open wide the windows

1026
00:50:30,210 --> 00:50:34,129
S1: of heaven in an instant and change circumstances. You can.

1027
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,759
S1: And then on occasion, God and His grace will do that.

1028
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,560
S1: So oftentimes, God in his mercy will leave us in

1029
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,000
S1: a tough spot. The lessons to be learned, things outside

1030
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,240
S1: of our control. And but God's mercy is good still.

1031
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,320
S1: He'll let us soldier through those even with tears coming

1032
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,800
S1: down our face. But when God provides, it gives us

1033
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,239
S1: a a hint and a hope that, oh, God's not

1034
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,759
S1: done with us yet. Allie's got a beautiful question for

1035
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:03,520
S1: you this morning.

1036
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,960
S4: We want to hear from you. We. Have you been

1037
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,640
S4: in a hopeless situation? There was no earthly reason to

1038
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,439
S4: have hope, but you clung to hope and saw God

1039
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,040
S4: move in some way. You tell us what that was.

1040
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:20,680
S4: 800 555 78, 98. Ben, first time caller from West Chicago.

1041
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,600
S4: What do you say? What was that hopeless situation that

1042
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:24,840
S4: you saw God move in?

1043
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,440
S11: Yeah. Hey, thanks for having me on. And yeah, the

1044
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,879
S11: situation that my wife and I were in, um, both

1045
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,350
S11: of us were just in jobs that we were just

1046
00:51:36,350 --> 00:51:39,870
S11: feeling like just absolutely destroyed and wasted by the end

1047
00:51:39,870 --> 00:51:44,509
S11: of the day. And, um, both of us, ironically, at

1048
00:51:44,510 --> 00:51:46,549
S11: the same time, felt like God was calling us to

1049
00:51:46,590 --> 00:51:49,390
S11: leave our jobs and to just trust him and start

1050
00:51:49,390 --> 00:51:55,190
S11: up a new business. Um, and not, which was absolutely terrifying.

1051
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:56,470
S3: It's like.

1052
00:51:57,910 --> 00:52:01,390
S11: It's just been so cool seeing how God provided for us.

1053
00:52:01,390 --> 00:52:05,310
S11: Not that we've been living the lavish life, but it's

1054
00:52:05,310 --> 00:52:08,630
S11: like we he has provided every single step of the way.

1055
00:52:08,670 --> 00:52:11,069
S11: Like it's not been a question of, hey, will we

1056
00:52:11,070 --> 00:52:13,950
S11: have enough? It's, hey, what opportunities got to open it

1057
00:52:13,950 --> 00:52:14,669
S11: up for us today?

1058
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:17,510
S1: Dude, you're living the love by God life. And that's

1059
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:19,870
S1: better than lavish. You know what I'm saying, bro?

1060
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:24,350
S11: Oh my goodness. Yeah, it it it is absolutely. It

1061
00:52:24,350 --> 00:52:28,430
S11: is absolutely incredible. Which if I can say like even more,

1062
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:31,470
S11: even better than the provision of like, what's been happening

1063
00:52:31,469 --> 00:52:34,660
S11: with work. It's like, I know Carl, you say it

1064
00:52:34,660 --> 00:52:37,540
S11: all the time on the show, but it is being

1065
00:52:37,540 --> 00:52:41,220
S11: in those disciplines of spending time in the word, praying,

1066
00:52:41,420 --> 00:52:46,580
S11: like making sure priorities straight that God is first, that

1067
00:52:46,660 --> 00:52:49,100
S11: I always say my wife and family has to be

1068
00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:51,860
S11: second and then everything else will fall in place.

1069
00:52:52,060 --> 00:52:54,500
S1: Yeah. No, dude, you keep Christ at the core and

1070
00:52:54,500 --> 00:52:57,980
S1: look out. Ben. Boom! Brother. First time caller from West Chicago.

1071
00:52:58,020 --> 00:52:58,900
S1: How old are you, Ben?

1072
00:53:00,180 --> 00:53:01,940
S11: Yeah, I'm. I'm 29.

1073
00:53:02,300 --> 00:53:02,580
S3: Yeah.

1074
00:53:02,620 --> 00:53:05,100
S1: Dude, let me just tell you something. I am so

1075
00:53:05,100 --> 00:53:10,299
S1: grateful that you're listening to us here. Um, and because

1076
00:53:11,500 --> 00:53:14,580
S1: it's so encouraging to me that we've got a 29

1077
00:53:14,620 --> 00:53:18,339
S1: year old walking by faith like this, and you're an

1078
00:53:18,340 --> 00:53:21,259
S1: inspiration to me, man. Thank you for that, Ben. I

1079
00:53:21,260 --> 00:53:22,339
S1: love you. I love.

1080
00:53:22,340 --> 00:53:22,820
S3: You, man.

1081
00:53:22,860 --> 00:53:24,859
S11: And thank you. I got to see you a little

1082
00:53:24,860 --> 00:53:29,940
S11: while ago at, um, one of your events in Naperville. Um,

1083
00:53:29,940 --> 00:53:31,859
S11: you were over at High Point. I hope it's okay

1084
00:53:31,860 --> 00:53:32,700
S11: that I plug them.

1085
00:53:32,739 --> 00:53:33,820
S1: No, that's. That's cool.

1086
00:53:33,860 --> 00:53:36,580
S11: Thank you so much for sharing what you're doing.

1087
00:53:36,820 --> 00:53:40,700
S1: Oh, man. Godspeed, Ben. Love you. Good stuff coming up here.

1088
00:53:40,700 --> 00:53:42,980
S1: We'll take some more of your calls. Lightning round here.

1089
00:53:43,020 --> 00:53:45,940
S1: Ali's got a special question. Flows out of this great narrative.

1090
00:53:45,940 --> 00:53:47,460
S1: Some of you are wondering, where in the world is

1091
00:53:47,460 --> 00:53:51,340
S1: this story? It's in Second Kings. You can just start

1092
00:53:51,340 --> 00:53:55,779
S1: in chapter six, verse 24 and go all the way

1093
00:53:55,780 --> 00:53:59,980
S1: through chapter seven. And the whole story is right there. Yeah,

1094
00:53:59,980 --> 00:54:02,140
S1: it's graphic, it's tough, but it's beautiful.

1095
00:54:02,180 --> 00:54:04,500
S4: Yeah. Here's the question for you. This morning you were

1096
00:54:04,500 --> 00:54:08,260
S4: in a hopeless situation, but God allowed you to cling

1097
00:54:08,300 --> 00:54:12,940
S4: to hope. And you saw him move 800 555, 78,

1098
00:54:12,980 --> 00:54:16,980
S4: 98 (800) 555-7898.

1099
00:54:17,940 --> 00:54:21,700
S8: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to

1100
00:54:21,739 --> 00:54:22,820
S8: Carl and Cru.

1101
00:54:23,540 --> 00:54:26,859
S1: Yeah. Taking your stories. Alex, got a great question. You

1102
00:54:26,860 --> 00:54:29,210
S1: were in a hopeless situation. You clung to God and

1103
00:54:29,210 --> 00:54:31,569
S1: he provided. By the way, if you want a graphic

1104
00:54:31,570 --> 00:54:34,410
S1: illustration of this that is epic, please get in the

1105
00:54:34,410 --> 00:54:37,610
S1: sticky pages. Go to Second Kings chapter six. Starting in

1106
00:54:37,610 --> 00:54:40,569
S1: verse 24. Read all the way through chapter seven. It's

1107
00:54:40,570 --> 00:54:43,090
S1: one of the coolest stories. This is not a bedtime

1108
00:54:43,090 --> 00:54:47,530
S1: story for your kids. This is one of those alone stories. Ali,

1109
00:54:47,570 --> 00:54:48,290
S1: wouldn't you say?

1110
00:54:48,730 --> 00:54:50,290
S3: Yes, yes.

1111
00:54:50,810 --> 00:54:54,330
S1: This is not a bedtime story even for you. This

1112
00:54:54,330 --> 00:54:58,170
S1: is middle of the day story. Sun's up story. But

1113
00:54:58,170 --> 00:55:01,730
S1: it's beautiful because we see God's hand of provision in

1114
00:55:01,890 --> 00:55:04,850
S1: horrific situations. All right, let's go back to the phone

1115
00:55:04,850 --> 00:55:08,330
S1: lines here. Juan, first time caller in Oaklane. Man, you're

1116
00:55:08,330 --> 00:55:10,970
S1: in a hopeless situation. You clung to God and he provided,

1117
00:55:10,969 --> 00:55:12,130
S1: give us your story, bro.

1118
00:55:13,530 --> 00:55:16,170
S12: Yes. You know, we overcome it by the word of

1119
00:55:16,170 --> 00:55:18,129
S12: our testimony and by the blood of the Lamb. But

1120
00:55:18,130 --> 00:55:21,609
S12: I'm so thankful because my back was hurting and I

1121
00:55:21,610 --> 00:55:24,290
S12: was in trouble with my job, and I was a

1122
00:55:24,290 --> 00:55:26,930
S12: sole provider for my family. I had three kids, my

1123
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,440
S12: wife to provide for them, and I was out of

1124
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,040
S12: work for a long time. And, you know, the mortgage and, uh,

1125
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,640
S12: you know, the bills were piling up. So there was

1126
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:39,040
S12: a flood that came to the area. Rain, hail, everything.

1127
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,319
S12: My house was torn up. And, uh, you know, at

1128
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,040
S12: the end of the day, when insurance covered everything up.

1129
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,360
S12: I was able to pay my bills, fix my house

1130
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,319
S12: and everything. And at the end of the day, the

1131
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,080
S12: Lord healed my body. Uh, so I'm so thankful that

1132
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,560
S12: if you just cling to the promises of God and

1133
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,200
S12: hold on to God's unchanging hand, God will make a way.

1134
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,279
S12: He said, I am the way, the truth, and the life.

1135
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,160
S12: No man can come unto me, you know, except to

1136
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,319
S12: the father. So I'm so thankful for calling on their

1137
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,760
S12: name and believing in their name. There's power in their name. So,

1138
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,680
S12: so thankful for the opportunity to share my testimony.

1139
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,920
S1: Juan. First time caller. Boom, brother. And you know, it's

1140
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,759
S1: going to kind of sound funny what I'm going to say,

1141
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:23,239
S1: but it's really true. Uh, I mean, I insurance is

1142
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,950
S1: an important thing, but insurance companies are in it to

1143
00:56:26,989 --> 00:56:29,230
S1: win it. They're all about money and I don't fault

1144
00:56:29,230 --> 00:56:31,670
S1: them for that. It's all about money. They've got shareholders

1145
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:34,589
S1: and all that. I've run into more people as a

1146
00:56:34,590 --> 00:56:37,750
S1: pastor that find it a battle to get even what

1147
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:40,750
S1: is fair and right. Yeah. And so for Juan to

1148
00:56:40,750 --> 00:56:43,070
S1: get what was fair and right and to break through

1149
00:56:43,070 --> 00:56:45,910
S1: and then to watch the healing to his body, we

1150
00:56:45,950 --> 00:56:49,109
S1: can look at God in those things. I remember one

1151
00:56:49,110 --> 00:56:51,430
S1: brother telling me that he had an adjuster come out,

1152
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:54,469
S1: and the dude was just stone Cold Steve Austin. I

1153
00:56:54,469 --> 00:56:56,910
S1: don't know where that term came from, a wrestling term.

1154
00:56:57,390 --> 00:56:57,870
S3: I mean, he.

1155
00:56:57,870 --> 00:56:59,110
S1: Was Stone Cold.

1156
00:56:59,830 --> 00:57:00,190
S2: Steve.

1157
00:57:00,190 --> 00:57:00,430
S3: Austin.

1158
00:57:00,590 --> 00:57:01,669
S1: I don't know where that came from.

1159
00:57:01,670 --> 00:57:02,550
S3: He's a sorry.

1160
00:57:03,070 --> 00:57:05,270
S1: Carlosm all the way. I've never even seen this guy.

1161
00:57:05,310 --> 00:57:07,910
S1: I guess he's one of these tatted up fighters or something.

1162
00:57:07,950 --> 00:57:08,350
S10: Wrestler.

1163
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:12,589
S1: Yeah, yeah. Um, so it was just stone cold a

1164
00:57:12,590 --> 00:57:16,710
S1: gesture and he's like, you ain't getting nothing. And it

1165
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:20,270
S1: was a real genuine claim. And then another guy got

1166
00:57:20,270 --> 00:57:24,060
S1: sent out out of the blue to the to the job.

1167
00:57:24,380 --> 00:57:27,580
S1: And the dude was filled with compassion and just goes, yeah,

1168
00:57:27,580 --> 00:57:30,700
S1: this is we got to make this right. And the

1169
00:57:30,700 --> 00:57:32,820
S1: guy's like, I that is God.

1170
00:57:32,860 --> 00:57:33,460
S3: Yeah, that.

1171
00:57:33,460 --> 00:57:34,740
S1: Changed my adjuster.

1172
00:57:34,780 --> 00:57:37,380
S2: That's why we don't put our hope in insurance. The

1173
00:57:37,380 --> 00:57:39,900
S2: scripture doesn't say that. It says, you know, we put

1174
00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:40,980
S2: our hope in God.

1175
00:57:41,020 --> 00:57:44,580
S1: No, these guys are lining pockets on the top side.

1176
00:57:44,620 --> 00:57:45,820
S3: Yeah. And I think.

1177
00:57:45,820 --> 00:57:48,300
S4: One of the one of the maybe sometimes the hardest

1178
00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:51,780
S4: thing is to have an to not just cling to God,

1179
00:57:51,780 --> 00:57:54,939
S4: but also cling to God with an open hand. Yes.

1180
00:57:54,940 --> 00:57:57,580
S4: Because we I mean, how many times have you just

1181
00:57:57,780 --> 00:58:01,380
S4: played out in your mind exactly how God should fix

1182
00:58:01,380 --> 00:58:01,860
S4: this thing?

1183
00:58:01,900 --> 00:58:05,180
S3: Oh no, like this should happen. Tell me your story.

1184
00:58:06,340 --> 00:58:10,100
S4: And so it's it's clinging to the promises of God,

1185
00:58:10,380 --> 00:58:14,220
S4: knowing that God is is not his. He's not like us.

1186
00:58:15,140 --> 00:58:19,580
S4: So us trying to presume upon what he should and

1187
00:58:19,620 --> 00:58:23,090
S4: is going to do based on promises from Scripture. I

1188
00:58:23,090 --> 00:58:25,170
S4: think we have to be careful with that. We trust

1189
00:58:25,170 --> 00:58:28,610
S4: that God is our provider, that we have hope in him,

1190
00:58:28,730 --> 00:58:30,850
S4: and then we leave it up to him as to

1191
00:58:30,890 --> 00:58:33,090
S4: how he's going to come through for us.

1192
00:58:33,210 --> 00:58:35,090
S1: And also, don't short arm guys.

1193
00:58:35,130 --> 00:58:35,810
S4: Exactly.

1194
00:58:35,850 --> 00:58:38,850
S1: Because the flip side is true as well. Don't look

1195
00:58:38,850 --> 00:58:43,690
S1: at your impotent self and put that on God. I mean,

1196
00:58:43,730 --> 00:58:47,890
S1: really don't look at your. Absolutely. I mean, relative to God,

1197
00:58:47,890 --> 00:58:49,330
S1: we're all impotent.

1198
00:58:49,730 --> 00:58:50,170
S2: Yes.

1199
00:58:50,210 --> 00:58:53,730
S1: I'm not saying you're weak. I'm saying relative to God,

1200
00:58:53,730 --> 00:58:58,130
S1: he can do the unthinkable. And so it's this high.

1201
00:58:58,450 --> 00:59:00,610
S1: It's the high ridge that.

1202
00:59:00,610 --> 00:59:03,170
S4: We always come back to. We might be selling it

1203
00:59:03,170 --> 00:59:07,130
S4: too short, but we we certainly don't want to say, okay, God, X, Y,

1204
00:59:07,130 --> 00:59:08,890
S4: and Z, this is what you're going to do.

1205
00:59:09,490 --> 00:59:09,970
S1: Yeah.

1206
00:59:10,010 --> 00:59:11,050
S4: Let God be God.

1207
00:59:11,090 --> 00:59:16,170
S1: Yeah. Let God be God. Yeah. Springtime harvest dessert. Let

1208
00:59:16,170 --> 00:59:18,650
S1: him be God. I don't know what you need to

1209
00:59:18,690 --> 00:59:21,330
S1: believe him for today, but just trust him.