1 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,880 S1: I encountered an interesting question from our guest today that 2 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:10,880 S1: I think is going to turn the light on, maybe 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,040 S1: for you or someone you know. She says this what 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:20,240 S1: if your hobbies weren't arbitrary passions, but the purposeful design 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,360 S1: of the God who formed every part of you? What 6 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,040 S1: if your favorite form of play is one more way 7 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:31,160 S1: to worship the God who made you? She also says, 8 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,080 S1: too often we believe the lie that play is a 9 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:38,680 S1: distraction from the important work of life. And as I 10 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,120 S1: dug into her thesis, I think she's going to make 11 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,480 S1: us think deeply about our hearts and what we choose 12 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,240 S1: to do in those moments or slices of the day 13 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,520 S1: when we get to choose. Let's talk about it today 14 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,080 S1: at the Radio Backyard Fence. This is Chris Fabry live program, 15 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,280 S1: from the Heart to the heart for the heart. Our 16 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,530 S1: team consists of Ryan McConaughey doing all things technical along 17 00:01:00,530 --> 00:01:03,610 S1: with Lisa Trish as our producer. Josh will be answering 18 00:01:03,610 --> 00:01:06,889 S1: your calls and you. That's right. You are a vital 19 00:01:06,890 --> 00:01:10,330 S1: part of our radio backyard fence and if you decide 20 00:01:10,330 --> 00:01:13,930 S1: to contribute to the cause in July. 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I'm actually in here. 42 00:02:28,220 --> 00:02:31,060 S1: They actually let me have a picture or two in there. 43 00:02:31,900 --> 00:02:36,020 S1: Chris fabriclive.org. Tomorrow. Some voices from the past from Moody 44 00:02:36,020 --> 00:02:38,419 S1: Radio are going to join me. Don't you dare miss 45 00:02:38,460 --> 00:02:43,140 S1: it right here. When I was a teenager, I remember 46 00:02:43,139 --> 00:02:44,740 S1: I went over to a house of a friend and 47 00:02:44,740 --> 00:02:47,100 S1: he took me down in the basement and he flipped 48 00:02:47,100 --> 00:02:51,380 S1: on the light and voila! Spread out in that big 49 00:02:51,380 --> 00:02:56,500 S1: room was a miniature town with train tracks that ran 50 00:02:56,500 --> 00:03:00,510 S1: through tunnels and over bridges and past fields with cows 51 00:03:00,550 --> 00:03:04,790 S1: and farmers and lakes and rivers. The amount of detail 52 00:03:04,790 --> 00:03:09,070 S1: in the creation was really amazing, but the overwhelming thought 53 00:03:09,070 --> 00:03:12,630 S1: I had as I looked at that train set was 54 00:03:12,669 --> 00:03:16,150 S1: I didn't say this, but I was thinking it. My 55 00:03:16,190 --> 00:03:20,389 S1: thought was why? Why, why would you spend all that 56 00:03:20,389 --> 00:03:24,190 S1: time making all of that? All of this? And I 57 00:03:24,190 --> 00:03:27,710 S1: couldn't wrap my mind around the effort expended on that 58 00:03:27,870 --> 00:03:32,829 S1: train set. Now, if you collect baseball cards someday, those 59 00:03:32,830 --> 00:03:35,630 S1: things might be enough to pay your mortgage this month. 60 00:03:36,070 --> 00:03:41,790 S1: There's utility in some collectors rare books. For example, you 61 00:03:41,790 --> 00:03:44,750 S1: can sell these rare books, and so you collect them 62 00:03:44,750 --> 00:03:47,550 S1: so that you can you find the outcome at the 63 00:03:47,550 --> 00:03:51,150 S1: end of it. Um, but is there any worth in 64 00:03:51,150 --> 00:03:57,120 S1: a hobby that doesn't have a payoff or a perceived payoff. 65 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,640 S1: The question I put up on Facebook today, and a 66 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,160 S1: number of you have responded to this. What hobby do 67 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,800 S1: you have that you almost feel guilty for loving so much? 68 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,440 S1: And that's. That hits at the heart of what Briana 69 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:16,800 S1: is writing about today in created to play how taking 70 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:23,520 S1: hobbies seriously grows us spiritually. Briana Lambert has studied all 71 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:27,800 S1: these kinds. She's an author from Indiana. She writes for articles, essays, 72 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:32,400 S1: Christianity Today, The Gospel Coalition, and other entities. She serves 73 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,600 S1: on staff at Gospel Centered Discipleship. And our featured resource 74 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:41,080 S1: is that book created to play. Briana, welcome to the program. 75 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:42,120 S1: How you doing today? 76 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,159 S2: Hi. I'm doing great. I'm so happy to be here 77 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:46,440 S2: to talk about this with you. 78 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,360 S1: Is that train set story? Does that ring a bell 79 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:51,000 S1: for you? 80 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:57,930 S2: Oh, absolutely. Yes. Um, and actually listening to you say that, um. 81 00:05:00,170 --> 00:05:03,730 S2: Since I've been studying hobbies and such so often, um, 82 00:05:03,730 --> 00:05:07,770 S2: the weirder the hobbies that I find, um, the more 83 00:05:07,770 --> 00:05:11,490 S2: excited about, about them I get, um, because I think 84 00:05:11,529 --> 00:05:14,410 S2: our first inclination for many things that we don't understand 85 00:05:14,410 --> 00:05:16,890 S2: or we're not used to or we're, you know, just 86 00:05:16,890 --> 00:05:21,130 S2: not familiar with is, well, why would we do that? Um, 87 00:05:21,370 --> 00:05:26,810 S2: but that, that question is actually such a connection we 88 00:05:26,810 --> 00:05:30,450 S2: can have with somebody to learn more about them, uh, 89 00:05:30,450 --> 00:05:32,650 S2: to learn the way God made them to, to learn 90 00:05:32,690 --> 00:05:36,650 S2: to learn the passions that he's put within them. Um, so, 91 00:05:36,970 --> 00:05:40,529 S2: so discovering those answers for me are, are some of 92 00:05:40,529 --> 00:05:42,850 S2: my favorite, favorite things to do now. And I hope 93 00:05:42,850 --> 00:05:45,530 S2: that people who read my book also feel that way 94 00:05:45,529 --> 00:05:48,050 S2: at the end of I want to know, you know, 95 00:05:48,130 --> 00:05:49,210 S2: what drives people? 96 00:05:49,650 --> 00:05:52,450 S1: Bingo. And I had no idea to ask that question. 97 00:05:52,450 --> 00:05:55,100 S1: So to them I should have, you know, why do 98 00:05:55,100 --> 00:05:58,219 S1: you do this? Part of the answer to it, as 99 00:05:58,260 --> 00:06:01,420 S1: I've gotten older is this is something that he did 100 00:06:01,420 --> 00:06:04,539 S1: with his father. He did with his brothers. I can't 101 00:06:04,540 --> 00:06:06,620 S1: remember if he had sisters or not, but I'm sure 102 00:06:06,620 --> 00:06:08,700 S1: if he did, they were all part of it was 103 00:06:08,740 --> 00:06:11,460 S1: it was a family thing. It's something that you do 104 00:06:11,500 --> 00:06:14,540 S1: side by side, shoulder to shoulder. So there is a 105 00:06:14,540 --> 00:06:17,420 S1: relational aspect to it and that makes a lot of 106 00:06:17,420 --> 00:06:18,540 S1: sense to me now. 107 00:06:19,620 --> 00:06:23,420 S2: Oh that's beautiful. Yeah. Well, and um, the train might 108 00:06:23,460 --> 00:06:26,140 S2: have been strange to you. My family and I have 109 00:06:26,140 --> 00:06:28,740 S2: also built a model railroad train. Uh, we're in the 110 00:06:28,740 --> 00:06:31,220 S2: process of it. It's been put on hold for a 111 00:06:31,220 --> 00:06:35,140 S2: little while. Uh, but, but yeah, it was that relational 112 00:06:35,140 --> 00:06:38,660 S2: aspect of our kids were really into trains, uh, you know, 113 00:06:38,700 --> 00:06:40,860 S2: several years ago and we thought, hey, this will be 114 00:06:40,860 --> 00:06:44,540 S2: fun to do together. Um, so, and that's just another 115 00:06:44,540 --> 00:06:47,500 S2: layer of our hobbies and our play is that we 116 00:06:47,500 --> 00:06:50,179 S2: do it in community. And like you said so well 117 00:06:50,180 --> 00:06:54,400 S2: that these activities, you know, give us give us something 118 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,440 S2: to intertwine us together and just to connect us in 119 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:58,440 S2: in neat ways. 120 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:03,000 S1: You're right. Too often we believe the lie that play 121 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,920 S1: is a distraction from the important work of life. This 122 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:11,000 S1: way of thinking plagued my own mind for many years. 123 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,840 S1: It yoked me with fear and prompted me to draw 124 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:19,560 S1: lines between the responsibilities of my life and all other 125 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,520 S1: activities that felt too enjoyable to be part of my 126 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,880 S1: calling as a Christian. And then you say, my love 127 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:32,840 S1: of baking, camping, or a good movie were relegated to diversions. 128 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:37,080 S1: I'd squeeze into the empty spaces of my life and 129 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:41,720 S1: call rest. That's from the book by Brianna Lambert, created 130 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,880 S1: to play. Now, Brianna, unpack that for me. 131 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:50,930 S2: Yeah. Um, yeah. So I think that like any follower 132 00:07:50,930 --> 00:07:54,210 S2: of Christ. I wanted to do what was what was right. Right. 133 00:07:54,250 --> 00:07:58,330 S2: Obey him and follow him. Um, but I think I falsely, um, 134 00:07:58,330 --> 00:08:01,010 S2: in the beginning or in the earlier part of my, 135 00:08:01,050 --> 00:08:03,290 S2: of my walk with Christ, um, I just put up 136 00:08:03,290 --> 00:08:07,090 S2: these barriers of, um, dividing up, these were the things 137 00:08:07,090 --> 00:08:10,450 S2: that I thought were, um, you know, religious, these were 138 00:08:10,450 --> 00:08:13,489 S2: the things that really mattered. And then these were just 139 00:08:13,490 --> 00:08:17,730 S2: extra parts of life that were maybe selfish, self-indulgent, and such. Um, 140 00:08:17,810 --> 00:08:20,610 S2: I'm not saying there are no barriers in what's good and, 141 00:08:20,610 --> 00:08:24,250 S2: and wrong. Um, but actually, the more that I grew 142 00:08:24,450 --> 00:08:28,330 S2: in reading scripture, finding out who God is about realizing 143 00:08:28,330 --> 00:08:31,730 S2: the grand narrative of Scripture and the way he's made 144 00:08:31,730 --> 00:08:34,650 S2: the world. I mean, we can look at Romans one 145 00:08:34,650 --> 00:08:37,890 S2: talks about how, um, God has put his has made 146 00:08:37,890 --> 00:08:42,329 S2: his invisible attributes, um, visible in all of nature. Um, 147 00:08:42,330 --> 00:08:44,410 S2: I think we think about that verse in regards like, 148 00:08:44,450 --> 00:08:46,850 S2: and that's what it's talking about, right? When it's when 149 00:08:46,850 --> 00:08:50,980 S2: he's talking about how unbelievers can, can see God and 150 00:08:51,020 --> 00:08:54,300 S2: and know that there's a God throughout the world, throughout 151 00:08:54,300 --> 00:08:56,500 S2: many of the things in the world. Um, but that 152 00:08:56,500 --> 00:08:59,140 S2: verse is even just a reminder to me as a Christian, 153 00:08:59,140 --> 00:09:02,100 S2: somebody who's already a Christian, to say that, hey, there 154 00:09:02,100 --> 00:09:06,179 S2: are no divisions here between what's something that points me 155 00:09:06,179 --> 00:09:08,820 S2: to God and something that, you know, doesn't, something that 156 00:09:08,820 --> 00:09:12,580 S2: is not within God's realm and something that is. Um, 157 00:09:13,140 --> 00:09:17,500 S2: and so I think just understanding that God is the 158 00:09:17,540 --> 00:09:20,220 S2: God who made all of this earth that is through him, 159 00:09:20,220 --> 00:09:23,020 S2: all things exist that he works all things for our 160 00:09:23,020 --> 00:09:25,140 S2: good as just the more that I saw that and 161 00:09:25,140 --> 00:09:28,220 S2: through the narrative of Scripture, even to see how God 162 00:09:28,220 --> 00:09:32,020 S2: does use all things, um, even in the, in the 163 00:09:32,020 --> 00:09:35,300 S2: stories throughout the Bible, um, just to see how he 164 00:09:35,300 --> 00:09:37,780 S2: uses all of that to point us to him. I 165 00:09:37,780 --> 00:09:41,660 S2: just my view of, of even the things I enjoy, 166 00:09:41,900 --> 00:09:45,300 S2: those little activities that were kind of pushed to the side, um, 167 00:09:45,340 --> 00:09:49,230 S2: just started to become more important and I started to realize, wait, 168 00:09:49,270 --> 00:09:53,709 S2: these things are within God's, uh, you know, realm as well. 169 00:09:53,710 --> 00:09:58,030 S2: These are gifts from God. Um, James says every good 170 00:09:58,030 --> 00:10:02,630 S2: and perfect gift comes from, uh, comes from him. Right. Um, 171 00:10:02,630 --> 00:10:05,189 S2: so I think those just started those, all those verses, 172 00:10:05,190 --> 00:10:07,510 S2: those ideas just started to break down my walls to 173 00:10:07,550 --> 00:10:10,949 S2: see that actually, even the way that I play, even 174 00:10:10,950 --> 00:10:14,510 S2: those things that I thought weren't that important, um, they 175 00:10:14,510 --> 00:10:17,270 S2: could still be ways that God teaches me, even allows 176 00:10:17,270 --> 00:10:20,670 S2: me to worship him, um, to glory in him. Um, 177 00:10:20,670 --> 00:10:23,150 S2: and then to, and to do what he has told 178 00:10:23,150 --> 00:10:25,830 S2: me to do and what he's purposed for me to do. 179 00:10:26,030 --> 00:10:29,150 S1: Right there is the hurdle that, that the, the things 180 00:10:29,150 --> 00:10:31,870 S1: that you're drawn to, the way that you play, the 181 00:10:31,870 --> 00:10:35,709 S1: things that you do in your spare time that you think, well, 182 00:10:35,710 --> 00:10:37,990 S1: I could be out evangelizing or I could be reading 183 00:10:37,990 --> 00:10:41,230 S1: my Bible and, you know, you feel guilty for what 184 00:10:41,230 --> 00:10:44,070 S1: you're saying is that those are the things that draw 185 00:10:44,070 --> 00:10:48,440 S1: us closer to realizing, first of all, who we are 186 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,959 S1: and how God has made us, and then can draw 187 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,160 S1: us closer to his heart. I want you to keep 188 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,040 S1: unpacking that, and you do such a great job of it. 189 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:02,000 S1: In the book created to play. How taking hobbies seriously 190 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,840 S1: grows us spiritually. It's our featured resource at Chris fabriclive.org. 191 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,000 S1: Click through today's information. You'll see it right there. Created 192 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:16,120 S1: to Play by Brianna Lambert. Chris fabriclive.org. I want to 193 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,319 S1: hear from you today at the back fence. We'll do 194 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:32,640 S1: that straight ahead on Moody Radio. We're talking with Brianna 195 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:37,840 S1: today at the Radio Backyard fence about leisure, about hobbies. 196 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,360 S1: Brianna Lambert has written a really good book created to 197 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:47,970 S1: play on taking hobbies seriously grows us spiritually. And here's 198 00:11:47,970 --> 00:11:52,850 S1: our number (877) 548-3675. I want to hear from you today. 199 00:11:52,850 --> 00:11:55,290 S1: I heard from a number of you on on Facebook 200 00:11:55,330 --> 00:11:58,010 S1: and I asked that question, what you almost feel guilty 201 00:11:58,010 --> 00:12:02,770 S1: about doing this with your spare time, this hobby that 202 00:12:02,770 --> 00:12:08,130 S1: you have and different people, norm said. Coffee roasting, Paula said, 203 00:12:08,130 --> 00:12:13,090 S1: making greeting cards and doing jigsaw puzzles. Amy says thrifting. 204 00:12:13,570 --> 00:12:15,770 S1: And we're going to get into some of these with you, Brianna, 205 00:12:15,770 --> 00:12:17,730 S1: but I want to stay with what you were just 206 00:12:17,730 --> 00:12:21,970 S1: saying before the break. And I remember the, the, the saying, um, 207 00:12:23,450 --> 00:12:27,370 S1: soon this life will be past. Only what's done for 208 00:12:27,370 --> 00:12:32,370 S1: Christ will last. As if the only the doing things 209 00:12:32,370 --> 00:12:39,730 S1: for Christ are evangelism, proclamation, Bible reading, discipleship, you know, things, 210 00:12:39,770 --> 00:12:43,170 S1: things like that. You wouldn't do jigsaw puzzles if you 211 00:12:43,210 --> 00:12:48,020 S1: knew that the world was, you know, going to a crisis, eternity. 212 00:12:48,059 --> 00:12:52,220 S1: You wouldn't spend your time doing jigsaw puzzles and you say, 213 00:12:52,940 --> 00:12:58,459 S1: wait a minute, time out by looking at these things 214 00:12:58,460 --> 00:13:03,579 S1: that draw us in to what's, uh, brings us joy 215 00:13:03,580 --> 00:13:07,700 S1: and delight. We are reflecting some of what God did 216 00:13:07,700 --> 00:13:10,620 S1: when he created. Jump on that. 217 00:13:11,900 --> 00:13:15,300 S2: Yeah. So I think we have, I think we have 218 00:13:15,300 --> 00:13:20,060 S2: a few, um, obstacles that keeps us from understanding our 219 00:13:20,059 --> 00:13:22,579 S2: play and the hobbies that we take part in. Um, 220 00:13:22,580 --> 00:13:25,180 S2: and so one of that is like you talked about, um, 221 00:13:25,220 --> 00:13:28,020 S2: it feels like it's not going anywhere. Um, it feels 222 00:13:28,020 --> 00:13:30,820 S2: like it's not doing anything for us. Um, we don't 223 00:13:30,820 --> 00:13:34,140 S2: want to be inefficient. Um, like we talked about, right 224 00:13:34,780 --> 00:13:37,140 S2: a bit with um, like what, what do we do 225 00:13:37,140 --> 00:13:39,220 S2: with this thing? And I feel guilty for doing it 226 00:13:39,220 --> 00:13:42,580 S2: because it's not helping me. Um, I think one of 227 00:13:42,580 --> 00:13:46,350 S2: the things I like to think back in answering this 228 00:13:46,350 --> 00:13:50,430 S2: question is when we think about God Himself, the one 229 00:13:50,429 --> 00:13:55,670 S2: who created us, the one who created earth, um, acts, 230 00:13:55,710 --> 00:13:58,949 S2: acts tells us when Paul was speaking um, in Athens, 231 00:13:58,950 --> 00:14:02,030 S2: he describes God as being the God who does not 232 00:14:02,030 --> 00:14:04,829 S2: need human hands. Um, he was not made by human hands. 233 00:14:04,830 --> 00:14:08,150 S2: He's not served by humans. Um, from this passage we 234 00:14:08,150 --> 00:14:12,430 S2: get that God, um, has the attribute of his aseity, um, 235 00:14:12,429 --> 00:14:15,869 S2: that he doesn't need anybody. Right. So when he created 236 00:14:15,870 --> 00:14:18,070 S2: the earth, he wasn't in need of it. It wasn't 237 00:14:18,070 --> 00:14:20,590 S2: that he needed more glory. It wasn't that he needed 238 00:14:20,590 --> 00:14:24,590 S2: a friend. Um, it wasn't that he needed more worship. Um, 239 00:14:24,590 --> 00:14:28,150 S2: he didn't need it. He wasn't solving a problem. Um, instead, 240 00:14:28,150 --> 00:14:32,030 S2: he created out of the overflowing abundance of his love 241 00:14:32,070 --> 00:14:37,870 S2: he created out of, um, abundance, um, and for delight, um, 242 00:14:37,870 --> 00:14:41,350 S2: just because he wanted to. Right. And I think even 243 00:14:41,390 --> 00:14:45,080 S2: with that reminder, we can look at our own activities 244 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,160 S2: and see that we actually don't have to be ruled 245 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:53,320 S2: by efficiency either. Um, we don't have to have always 246 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,600 S2: a problem that we're solving. Um, but we can create 247 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,160 S2: out of the overflow of our love and our delight 248 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,200 S2: as well, right? Whether that's actually creating or whether it's 249 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,640 S2: playing or, you know, doing whatever other thing. Um, we 250 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:11,280 S2: don't have to be efficient that that's not the only, um, uh, 251 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,320 S2: you know, uh, course of life. Um, and I think 252 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,320 S2: we even see that through our creation, um, in the 253 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,120 S2: God who created so many things. Um, obviously God is 254 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,800 S2: very efficient, um, you know, not wasteful. And he's very purposeful. 255 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,800 S2: But the idea is he creates with extravagance, right? I mean, 256 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:29,920 S2: I'm a cook, I like to cook. And I just 257 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,680 S2: am always amazed by the amount of different flavors, the 258 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,240 S2: combinations of flavors you can make. Just the fact that 259 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,440 S2: God made that for us, right? The amount of foods 260 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,370 S2: and spices and just so many ingredients. Um, all that 261 00:15:42,370 --> 00:15:47,850 S2: shows an overabundance of just, uh, gifts from our father, right? 262 00:15:47,890 --> 00:15:50,610 S2: And so I think we can kind of see that 263 00:15:51,010 --> 00:15:54,330 S2: and allow that to remind us within our own forms 264 00:15:54,330 --> 00:15:58,729 S2: of play and delight and just the various things we do, um, 265 00:15:59,530 --> 00:16:03,370 S2: that we don't have to be ruled by, um, by 266 00:16:03,570 --> 00:16:07,050 S2: what is only a utility or what is only gets 267 00:16:07,050 --> 00:16:08,690 S2: us something most efficient. 268 00:16:09,210 --> 00:16:12,410 S1: Do you think that part of the problem then that 269 00:16:12,410 --> 00:16:16,290 S1: we have, and I'm thinking of parents, uh, part of 270 00:16:16,290 --> 00:16:19,970 S1: the problem we had have is that we have heard 271 00:16:19,970 --> 00:16:24,010 S1: this message from the time that we're a child. Uh, yeah. 272 00:16:24,050 --> 00:16:26,090 S1: You know, you like to play with those. You like 273 00:16:26,090 --> 00:16:27,690 S1: to draw, you like to draw. What are you going 274 00:16:27,690 --> 00:16:29,010 S1: to do with that? How are you going to make 275 00:16:29,010 --> 00:16:31,290 S1: money with that? What are you going to. You like 276 00:16:31,290 --> 00:16:34,090 S1: to play music? Well, you know, there's you're not good 277 00:16:34,090 --> 00:16:37,170 S1: enough to to be in the orchestra and on and 278 00:16:37,170 --> 00:16:39,780 S1: on it goes. What are you going to do with that? 279 00:16:39,820 --> 00:16:44,220 S1: What utility, rather than, hey, you really enjoy doing that. 280 00:16:44,220 --> 00:16:47,740 S1: You really like running. There's that's one of the things, 281 00:16:47,780 --> 00:16:52,220 S1: you know, being doing exercise outside. You're doing this all 282 00:16:52,220 --> 00:16:54,660 S1: the time and you're always moving. Look at that. You 283 00:16:54,700 --> 00:16:57,340 S1: get a lot of joy out of that. As parents, 284 00:16:57,340 --> 00:17:01,260 S1: we can kind of squash that with the utility, right? 285 00:17:02,380 --> 00:17:05,660 S2: Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Um, I, yeah, I can see that 286 00:17:05,660 --> 00:17:07,900 S2: with kids. Actually. A friend of mine who was reading 287 00:17:07,900 --> 00:17:11,540 S2: my book commented that he was even, um, caught himself 288 00:17:11,540 --> 00:17:14,100 S2: with that his daughter was, you know, sketching and he 289 00:17:14,100 --> 00:17:16,220 S2: was like, hey, you know what? If you start charging, 290 00:17:16,220 --> 00:17:18,700 S2: you can get like 50 bucks a picture and you 291 00:17:18,700 --> 00:17:20,900 S2: can just start, you know, getting some orders in and 292 00:17:20,900 --> 00:17:23,380 S2: start saving for college. And, and he was like, in 293 00:17:23,380 --> 00:17:25,660 S2: the process, you know, he was a friend that knew 294 00:17:25,700 --> 00:17:28,060 S2: as I wrote the book. Um, but he even caught 295 00:17:28,060 --> 00:17:30,379 S2: himself like, wait a minute, like, what if she just 296 00:17:30,380 --> 00:17:34,220 S2: loves to sketch and that's enough. Um, so yeah, I 297 00:17:34,220 --> 00:17:38,140 S2: definitely think, I mean, but even as far apart from 298 00:17:38,270 --> 00:17:42,230 S2: parents and children. I mean, any adult, especially these days, 299 00:17:42,230 --> 00:17:45,950 S2: especially with Etsy and just the availability of starting your 300 00:17:45,950 --> 00:17:48,470 S2: own business. You know, I think I did cake decorating 301 00:17:48,470 --> 00:17:50,989 S2: and there was always a question of, oh, should I 302 00:17:51,030 --> 00:17:54,350 S2: like start a business with this? Yes. Um, and I 303 00:17:54,350 --> 00:17:56,070 S2: think we even say that to each other. You should 304 00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:59,109 S2: start a business and we mean it nicely. Um, but 305 00:17:59,150 --> 00:18:05,110 S2: it's just again and again, um, highlighting the idea that 306 00:18:05,150 --> 00:18:08,590 S2: what you do matters because of what it will produce. 307 00:18:08,750 --> 00:18:12,830 S2: Um right. Whether that's money, um, or any other kind 308 00:18:12,830 --> 00:18:15,869 S2: of monetary goal or fame. Right. Or even like you 309 00:18:15,869 --> 00:18:18,310 S2: should start a YouTube channel with that. You should start 310 00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:21,150 S2: a vlog or you should, you know, you should, uh, 311 00:18:21,150 --> 00:18:24,030 S2: all of these things is just saying this doesn't matter 312 00:18:24,030 --> 00:18:27,109 S2: until you produce results. Um, and so I think, I 313 00:18:27,109 --> 00:18:29,750 S2: think we just live and breathe that, that in the 314 00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:33,750 S2: air right now. Um, so while it's hobbies are prevalent, 315 00:18:33,750 --> 00:18:39,970 S2: I think that, um, outlook on making them work for you. Um, 316 00:18:40,050 --> 00:18:44,649 S2: is losing, uh, the deeper beauty of play. Um, because 317 00:18:44,690 --> 00:18:50,530 S2: ultimately once we take that off, um, we actually can 318 00:18:50,690 --> 00:18:54,570 S2: realize that our hobbies and these forms of play, um, 319 00:18:54,730 --> 00:18:58,489 S2: school us and humility, right? Because it's very humbling to 320 00:18:58,530 --> 00:19:02,690 S2: say I'm actually going to take time and do something 321 00:19:02,690 --> 00:19:06,890 S2: that doesn't feel productive. Right? But, um, I'm going to, 322 00:19:07,090 --> 00:19:09,810 S2: I'm going to take some watercolor paints and I'm just 323 00:19:09,810 --> 00:19:13,050 S2: going to do it, um, just because, um, that's just 324 00:19:13,050 --> 00:19:16,370 S2: very humbling. Um, you're realizing I'm not in control. I'm 325 00:19:16,410 --> 00:19:20,250 S2: taking time away from, you know, what, what I want 326 00:19:20,250 --> 00:19:22,370 S2: to get done and what I want to accomplish. And 327 00:19:22,369 --> 00:19:26,970 S2: just receiving the gift from my father of this activity. Um, 328 00:19:27,010 --> 00:19:28,730 S2: so I think in that way, I can circle back 329 00:19:28,730 --> 00:19:32,370 S2: to your comment about only what's done for Christ will last. Um, 330 00:19:32,369 --> 00:19:34,450 S2: I actually, I love that I love that quote and 331 00:19:34,450 --> 00:19:37,540 S2: I've heard it before. and I think my main hope 332 00:19:37,540 --> 00:19:41,100 S2: in this book is not to say that, um, play 333 00:19:41,100 --> 00:19:45,340 S2: is all that matters. Um, but, but to help people 334 00:19:45,340 --> 00:19:49,300 S2: see that actually of the, that play is a, is 335 00:19:49,300 --> 00:19:52,139 S2: one of the good works that God has for us 336 00:19:52,140 --> 00:19:55,060 S2: and that it is a beautiful, good work, right? Um, 337 00:19:55,100 --> 00:19:58,300 S2: it can fit into a life, um, right next to 338 00:19:58,340 --> 00:20:02,980 S2: many other important things. Um, and obviously in different seasons, right? 339 00:20:03,020 --> 00:20:05,460 S2: We'll have different levels of how much we can put 340 00:20:05,460 --> 00:20:08,740 S2: into that and how much time we can put into that. Um, 341 00:20:08,780 --> 00:20:11,379 S2: but I just hope people see it actually can be 342 00:20:11,380 --> 00:20:15,139 S2: one beautiful gift from our Lord that, that it is 343 00:20:15,140 --> 00:20:18,939 S2: done through Christ in Christ for Christ. You know, all 344 00:20:18,980 --> 00:20:19,580 S2: of those things. 345 00:20:19,619 --> 00:20:22,300 S1: Yes. And it's all wrapped up together. I had this 346 00:20:22,300 --> 00:20:25,139 S1: experience the other day when I was a kid. I 347 00:20:25,180 --> 00:20:28,700 S1: used to go down to my grandmother's house and my 348 00:20:28,700 --> 00:20:31,619 S1: uncles lived, took care of her. They lived in the 349 00:20:31,619 --> 00:20:35,590 S1: same house. And I can remember they didn't have a phone, 350 00:20:35,630 --> 00:20:37,990 S1: you know, and we never told them we were coming. 351 00:20:37,990 --> 00:20:40,470 S1: Just knock on the door, come on in and sit down. 352 00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:45,630 S1: And the the spark inside me when I would say, hey, 353 00:20:45,910 --> 00:20:49,550 S1: Uncle Pooch, would you tell the story about catching the mink? 354 00:20:50,030 --> 00:20:54,590 S1: And he would go into this long 2530 minute long 355 00:20:54,590 --> 00:20:58,270 S1: story and just the, the build up of this and 356 00:20:58,270 --> 00:21:02,590 S1: then get to the place where the reveal was. And 357 00:21:02,590 --> 00:21:05,709 S1: it was just. And I'd heard the thing a hundred times, 358 00:21:05,710 --> 00:21:08,790 S1: but each time it was told, it was like I 359 00:21:08,790 --> 00:21:12,190 S1: was there was so much joy there. And the other 360 00:21:12,190 --> 00:21:15,110 S1: night I said to one of my sons, hey, have 361 00:21:15,109 --> 00:21:17,710 S1: you seen this movie? It's it's a Western. They don't 362 00:21:17,710 --> 00:21:20,230 S1: like Westerns that much. It's a Western. I said, do 363 00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:22,510 S1: you think it's kind of a father and a son, 364 00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:26,710 S1: you know, story. And there's there's shooting and there's, there's 365 00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:29,590 S1: all kinds of stuff in it. And I watched him. 366 00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:33,400 S1: There's a moment in that film where the reveal happens 367 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,480 S1: where you find out the true identity of the main character. 368 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,160 S1: And for me, as I watched it, it was the 369 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,639 S1: same thing as me sitting there listening to Uncle Pooch 370 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,560 S1: tell the story about the mink. And we ended the 371 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,280 S1: the movie and I said, what did you think? And 372 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,280 S1: he goes, oh, he said his brother's name. I said, oh, 373 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,959 S1: I can't wait till he sees it. My brother sees 374 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,200 S1: it for the way that he will react to the reveal. 375 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,119 S1: And it's like the same thing that I had, you know, 376 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,440 S1: that was deep inside here was inside of him. You 377 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:09,560 S1: just love people seeing, finding out the truth. And that's 378 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,080 S1: what a good story will do. Now, there's no question 379 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,800 S1: in there. But I'm telling I'm revealing to you, Brianna, 380 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,840 S1: the exactly what you have said in this book and 381 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,680 S1: throughout the first 25 minutes of our conversation, there's something 382 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,159 S1: deeper inside that we need to pay attention to. Right? 383 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:34,170 S2: Yeah. That's yeah. That's beautiful. That's that's that's kind of fun. Um, 384 00:22:35,050 --> 00:22:38,330 S2: just to see that and to, um, to see how 385 00:22:38,330 --> 00:22:40,490 S2: you enjoy the same thing. That's neat. 386 00:22:41,250 --> 00:22:45,130 S1: There are ten categories. Then in the, in the book, 387 00:22:45,210 --> 00:22:47,050 S1: we're going to get to those. And I want you 388 00:22:47,050 --> 00:22:50,210 S1: as you listen today to see which category you're in. 389 00:22:50,210 --> 00:22:53,570 S1: It's almost like the love languages doubled and we're going 390 00:22:53,570 --> 00:22:55,090 S1: to talk about that. But I want to take your 391 00:22:55,090 --> 00:23:01,690 S1: calls at (877) 548-3675. Mark is first up. Mark why did 392 00:23:01,690 --> 00:23:02,530 S1: you call today? 393 00:23:04,369 --> 00:23:08,330 S3: Well, I'm a color nut and that's ironic because I'm 394 00:23:08,330 --> 00:23:12,690 S3: also totally blind. Now, I was once partially sighted, but 395 00:23:12,690 --> 00:23:16,210 S3: I was intrigued by a comment that C.S. Lewis made 396 00:23:16,210 --> 00:23:20,129 S3: that we cannot invent a color, which is true, but 397 00:23:20,130 --> 00:23:25,090 S3: we can certainly shade, color, and mix color. And I 398 00:23:25,090 --> 00:23:28,130 S3: still have my radio and audio hobbies as an adult, 399 00:23:28,130 --> 00:23:30,489 S3: but one thing I don't do anymore and can't do 400 00:23:30,619 --> 00:23:35,820 S3: anymore is mix vegetable coloring and water in bottles, and 401 00:23:35,859 --> 00:23:42,100 S3: I was even allowed to use the shelving behind our bathroom, 402 00:23:42,140 --> 00:23:47,340 S3: our family bathroom as a shelf for my makeshift chemistry set, 403 00:23:47,340 --> 00:23:51,100 S3: if you will. And I had all kinds of colors 404 00:23:51,100 --> 00:23:54,580 S3: mixed up in these bottles, and I would get silly sometimes. 405 00:23:54,580 --> 00:23:57,139 S3: I bought a little bottle of Elmer's glue and I. 406 00:23:57,740 --> 00:24:00,580 S3: I poured the glue in the wastebasket so I could 407 00:24:00,580 --> 00:24:03,340 S3: use the bottle for one of my colors. And I 408 00:24:03,340 --> 00:24:08,139 S3: just loved doing this as a kid. I loved mixing 409 00:24:08,180 --> 00:24:12,300 S3: colors and, uh, and I still think of that remark 410 00:24:12,300 --> 00:24:15,740 S3: by C.S. Lewis we cannot invent a color. Only God 411 00:24:15,740 --> 00:24:18,620 S3: can do that. But boy, we can blend them and 412 00:24:18,619 --> 00:24:21,700 S3: we can shade them. And that's why we have a 413 00:24:21,700 --> 00:24:22,860 S3: fashion industry. 414 00:24:23,260 --> 00:24:23,900 S4: Yes. 415 00:24:24,220 --> 00:24:28,380 S1: Brianna, talk to Mark then. Does he fit into any 416 00:24:28,380 --> 00:24:31,590 S1: of these ten categories as you see them here, as 417 00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:32,629 S1: you hear your story. 418 00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:37,150 S2: Oh, I love that. First of all. Um, oh, I mean, 419 00:24:37,150 --> 00:24:40,710 S2: I think he sounds like a, like a maker of, 420 00:24:40,750 --> 00:24:44,709 S2: you know, making and making something beautiful. Um, so I 421 00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:46,990 S2: think mixing colors and I think I love that C.S. 422 00:24:46,990 --> 00:24:49,670 S2: Lewis quote because that's true. And I think the very 423 00:24:49,670 --> 00:24:53,550 S2: fact that God did give us, um, raw materials, right? 424 00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:57,510 S2: To do something with, um, to do, he didn't, he 425 00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:59,750 S2: didn't create, he allowed us to be a part of 426 00:24:59,750 --> 00:25:02,869 S2: the process. So as he creates, we can create. So 427 00:25:02,869 --> 00:25:06,950 S2: even you mixing up the colors and making, um, making 428 00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:09,670 S2: different things that are, that are more beautiful or more, 429 00:25:09,710 --> 00:25:13,070 S2: you know, what you're hoping for, I think is just another, um, 430 00:25:13,109 --> 00:25:16,430 S2: outlet of creativity and a way that you model your maker. 431 00:25:16,430 --> 00:25:17,550 S2: So I love that. 432 00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:20,150 S1: Okay. So that is the very first of the ten, 433 00:25:20,190 --> 00:25:26,550 S1: the makers, there are also heralds, nourishers, movers, keepers, curators, 434 00:25:26,670 --> 00:25:28,840 S1: and more. I'm going to tell you about those as 435 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,080 S1: we continue. I want to hear from you. How do 436 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,840 S1: you answer that question? What hobby do you have that 437 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,160 S1: you almost feel guilty for? Loving so much, spending so 438 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:47,560 S1: much time with 87754836758775483675. Go to the website. You'll see 439 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,320 S1: Brianna Lambert's book created to play How Taking Hobbies Seriously 440 00:25:52,320 --> 00:26:07,879 S1: Grows us spiritually more straight ahead. Have a great conversation 441 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,120 S1: for you today. As a matter of fact, tomorrow as 442 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,879 S1: we hear some voices of Moody Radio past, I have 443 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,520 S1: a guest tomorrow and she is, uh, has has gone 444 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:24,199 S1: into painting. She's gone into, into watercolors and design. I 445 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,010 S1: know that because I see her publish this on social media, 446 00:26:28,010 --> 00:26:30,610 S1: and she's going to talk with us tomorrow right here 447 00:26:30,609 --> 00:26:33,169 S1: at the Radio Backyard Fence. And if you want a 448 00:26:33,170 --> 00:26:36,130 S1: copy of the book, that is our. Thank you. This 449 00:26:36,130 --> 00:26:39,890 S1: is Moody Radio 100 years proclaiming the gospel. It's our 450 00:26:39,890 --> 00:26:43,650 S1: thank you. Right now, if you go to kris.org, scroll down. 451 00:26:43,650 --> 00:26:47,890 S1: You can find out more Chris Fabry live.org, where you'll 452 00:26:47,890 --> 00:26:51,930 S1: also find out about Brianna Lambert's book created to play 453 00:26:51,970 --> 00:26:56,170 S1: How Taking Hobbies Seriously Grows Us Spiritually. My. As I'm 454 00:26:56,210 --> 00:27:00,730 S1: going through this, I'm. My prefrontal cortex is lighting up 455 00:27:00,730 --> 00:27:03,850 S1: and all of the dopamine and everything is gone because 456 00:27:03,850 --> 00:27:07,050 S1: it's like, yeah, that's right. I don't have to feel bad. 457 00:27:07,050 --> 00:27:10,609 S1: When I was a kid, I wrote a song, you know, 458 00:27:10,650 --> 00:27:13,770 S1: a poem. And I put it to music about my 459 00:27:13,770 --> 00:27:16,250 S1: dad was a farmer, so we had cows and I 460 00:27:16,250 --> 00:27:19,810 S1: wrote The Ballad of Maggie the Cow. And I can 461 00:27:19,810 --> 00:27:22,210 S1: still remember. I can still play. It's played a minor. 462 00:27:22,210 --> 00:27:24,090 S1: If you want. You ever come to my house, I'll 463 00:27:24,090 --> 00:27:27,100 S1: play it for you. Um, but I still remember this 464 00:27:27,100 --> 00:27:30,780 S1: song and written as a teenager. And then I think, 465 00:27:30,820 --> 00:27:33,740 S1: what am I going to do with that? Who's going 466 00:27:33,740 --> 00:27:37,580 S1: to hear this? Who's. And it is, you know, learning 467 00:27:37,580 --> 00:27:41,380 S1: how to rhyme and to put the verses together and 468 00:27:41,380 --> 00:27:46,020 S1: to create this thing has lasted from with me all 469 00:27:46,020 --> 00:27:49,740 S1: these years. And it all started with with Maggie the cow. 470 00:27:50,060 --> 00:27:51,300 S1: What do you think, Brianna? 471 00:27:53,180 --> 00:27:56,780 S2: That's great. I think you need to sing that song. Um, 472 00:27:56,940 --> 00:27:59,700 S2: or read it online on air sometime, that's what I. 473 00:27:59,740 --> 00:28:02,340 S1: Well, see, now that's that's. Yeah, yeah. Or put it 474 00:28:02,340 --> 00:28:04,899 S1: on iTunes and get paid for it. No, no, it's 475 00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:08,220 S1: it's enough, it's enough to have done it. But then 476 00:28:08,220 --> 00:28:12,100 S1: I think of, you know, other other famous artists, you know, like, uh, 477 00:28:12,140 --> 00:28:15,100 S1: Jackson Browne wrote this song when he was, I think 478 00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:19,980 S1: he was 16. And the song is These days and 479 00:28:19,980 --> 00:28:23,140 S1: other people have have recorded this through the years. And 480 00:28:23,140 --> 00:28:27,030 S1: it's all about this angst and the, you know, the 481 00:28:27,070 --> 00:28:32,910 S1: brevity of life. It's this high, highfalutin song about, you know, what, 482 00:28:32,910 --> 00:28:35,910 S1: what is life all about? But he did it at 16. 483 00:28:36,270 --> 00:28:40,670 S1: And so don't squash down those gifts that a, that 484 00:28:40,670 --> 00:28:43,270 S1: a child moves toward. That's part of what you're talking 485 00:28:43,270 --> 00:28:46,670 S1: about today. Let me go to the the penny. Who's 486 00:28:46,670 --> 00:28:48,750 S1: in Michigan? Penny. Why did you call today? 487 00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:52,590 S5: Hi, Chris. It's nice to be on air. I heard 488 00:28:52,590 --> 00:28:54,990 S5: you talking about hobbies and I thought, oh my goodness, 489 00:28:54,990 --> 00:28:57,030 S5: I better try to get on and and tell them 490 00:28:57,030 --> 00:29:00,590 S5: about agility because that's a lot like life. And it's 491 00:29:00,590 --> 00:29:02,990 S5: something that I shared with my dog and my daughter 492 00:29:02,990 --> 00:29:06,070 S5: and I did it together and we run an agility 493 00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:10,790 S5: course and I, we, I also taught a group of 494 00:29:10,790 --> 00:29:14,190 S5: kids for quite a few years, and I used it 495 00:29:14,190 --> 00:29:16,790 S5: as an object lesson for the kids. So we brought 496 00:29:16,790 --> 00:29:18,590 S5: the dogs and set up a mini course, and we 497 00:29:18,590 --> 00:29:20,790 S5: had a video running so that they could see what 498 00:29:20,790 --> 00:29:22,510 S5: I was talking about. Do you want me to read 499 00:29:22,510 --> 00:29:23,120 S5: it to you? 500 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:24,400 S1: Sure. Go ahead. 501 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,360 S5: Okay. Agility is a lot like life. It has a 502 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,760 S5: course map and that tells the right path. The handler 503 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,160 S5: and the dog has to take the handler, reads the 504 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,080 S5: map and walks the course. The Bible is our life 505 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,880 S5: course map. Your word, Lord, is a lamp to my 506 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,360 S5: feet and a light to my path. It's also a 507 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,240 S5: timed event. Event. The handler and the dog team have 508 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,320 S5: a certain amount of time to complete the course in 509 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,520 S5: order to qualify for the prize. Life is also a 510 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,360 S5: timed event. God knows how many years and days we 511 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,640 S5: have to complete our course here on earth. We can 512 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,160 S5: have faith that God is in control of all our days. 513 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,200 S5: It says Romans 828. We all know that in all 514 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,240 S5: things God works for the good of those who love 515 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,000 S5: him and who have been called according to his purpose. 516 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,600 S5: They both have a start line birth and a finish 517 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,520 S5: line death. Oscar would watch me, the handler, so that 518 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,560 S5: he would know what to do. We need to keep 519 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,760 S5: our eyes on God in life so that we know 520 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,880 S5: what to do too. If he broke the start, if 521 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,200 S5: he would break it before he heard me say, okay, 522 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,300 S5: let's get going. He would be ahead of me and 523 00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:26,420 S5: not know what path to take. And he would pick 524 00:30:26,420 --> 00:30:29,820 S5: some other path and get off course. It's the same 525 00:30:29,820 --> 00:30:32,620 S5: with us. If we don't know God's word or pray 526 00:30:32,620 --> 00:30:35,660 S5: or build our relationship with him, we may pick the 527 00:30:35,660 --> 00:30:39,420 S5: wrong path or follow the wrong person. Isaiah 3021 says, 528 00:30:39,460 --> 00:30:42,060 S5: and if you leave God's path and go astray, you 529 00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:44,100 S5: will hear a voice behind you saying, no, this is 530 00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:47,140 S5: the way. Walk here. Oscar hears me say, uh oh. 531 00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:50,219 S5: And he stops because he knows he has chosen the 532 00:30:50,220 --> 00:30:52,860 S5: wrong way. Then I can point to the right path. 533 00:30:53,260 --> 00:30:56,780 S5: The course is full of obstacles. And me, the handler, 534 00:30:56,940 --> 00:31:00,060 S5: is to direct the dog safely through the obstacles. The 535 00:31:00,060 --> 00:31:03,140 S5: dog has to learn to trust the handler and obey immediately. 536 00:31:03,420 --> 00:31:05,540 S5: When he is directed to go up in a frame 537 00:31:05,540 --> 00:31:07,979 S5: or a teeter totter. He is trusting in what he 538 00:31:07,980 --> 00:31:10,500 S5: cannot see because he can't see the other side of 539 00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:14,500 S5: the obstacle. Life is full of obstacles. God can see 540 00:31:14,500 --> 00:31:16,900 S5: the obstacle that Satan tries to put in our path 541 00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:19,460 S5: to throw us off course. We need to pray and 542 00:31:19,460 --> 00:31:22,710 S5: read the Bible. Trust God to help us navigate safely 543 00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:25,470 S5: through life to be truly happy. This is what is 544 00:31:25,470 --> 00:31:28,630 S5: meant in Hebrews 111. Now faith is being sure of 545 00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:30,270 S5: what we hope for and certain of what we do 546 00:31:30,270 --> 00:31:34,390 S5: not see. Oscar never saw his reward while on the course, 547 00:31:34,550 --> 00:31:36,470 S5: but he was certain of what he did not see 548 00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:39,310 S5: his chicken treats back at the cooler by his trade 549 00:31:39,310 --> 00:31:42,910 S5: at the end of the course. The goal of agility 550 00:31:42,910 --> 00:31:46,070 S5: is to finish the course well and receive the prize. 551 00:31:46,390 --> 00:31:49,430 S5: The best dog and handler teams have good relationships with 552 00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:52,790 S5: each other. They work at it. The handler trains with 553 00:31:52,790 --> 00:31:55,910 S5: love and patience when his or her dog airs. They 554 00:31:55,910 --> 00:31:59,990 S5: do not punish harshly, but correct gently and with kindness. Love, 555 00:31:59,990 --> 00:32:03,350 S5: not fear, gets the best results. He truly wanted to 556 00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:06,229 S5: please me when he ran. God loves us in the 557 00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:10,750 S5: same way. Philippians 313 through 17 says, forgetting the past, 558 00:32:10,750 --> 00:32:13,670 S5: looking forward to what lies ahead. I strain to reach 559 00:32:13,670 --> 00:32:15,750 S5: the end of the race and receive the prize for 560 00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:18,550 S5: which God is calling us up to heaven because of 561 00:32:18,550 --> 00:32:21,280 S5: what Christ did for us. We should truly want to 562 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,080 S5: please God. So that's my story of agility. 563 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,440 S1: That know that somebody need to hear that today, Penny. 564 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:30,440 S5: And I hope so. 565 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,280 S1: Because they're going over the A frame or the teeter 566 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,920 S1: totter and they can't see the other side. I'm applying 567 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,160 S1: that to my life. Brianna, what do you think? 568 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,320 S2: I love that, and I think that this is an 569 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:48,840 S2: excellent example. Um, how God uses, um, the things of 570 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,960 S2: this world, the activities that we love to do. And 571 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,680 S2: by his spirit, he impresses onto us the truths of scripture, right? 572 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,640 S2: The truths that he's revealed to us in his word. Um, 573 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:07,040 S2: and you got to experience that through, um, through interacting 574 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,960 S2: with dogs and through the agility course. Right? And so 575 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,120 S2: all those truths came alive to you, um, in a 576 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,050 S2: new way with new understanding, right? By the Holy Spirit. Right. Um, 577 00:33:18,050 --> 00:33:19,850 S2: and so this is exactly what I mean. And I 578 00:33:19,850 --> 00:33:21,970 S2: think it's such a beautiful picture of the way God 579 00:33:21,970 --> 00:33:25,050 S2: uses this world. Um, just because each of us are 580 00:33:25,050 --> 00:33:28,210 S2: in such different positions, right? Other people may not do 581 00:33:28,250 --> 00:33:31,729 S2: agility and they may do something else. Um, but they, 582 00:33:32,050 --> 00:33:35,810 S2: that causes them to interact with God's truth. Um, and 583 00:33:35,810 --> 00:33:38,490 S2: see it played out. Right. God's the God of parables, 584 00:33:38,490 --> 00:33:41,970 S2: of metaphors of showing and showing us again and again 585 00:33:42,010 --> 00:33:44,090 S2: what things mean. And so I think this is such 586 00:33:44,090 --> 00:33:47,410 S2: a beautiful example of the way the Lord has helped 587 00:33:47,410 --> 00:33:50,850 S2: you see those truths and really experience them head on, right? 588 00:33:50,890 --> 00:33:54,489 S2: Even in something fun like dog agility, um, that you 589 00:33:54,490 --> 00:33:56,770 S2: do with your daughter, right? I just love that. 590 00:33:56,810 --> 00:34:01,650 S1: Well, as I look at the different categories, makers, heralds nourishers, 591 00:34:01,930 --> 00:34:05,770 S1: it seems like Penny might be in the movers category. 592 00:34:05,770 --> 00:34:07,090 S1: Is that what you're picking up? 593 00:34:08,450 --> 00:34:10,930 S2: Uh, well, it would be. So the beauty of my 594 00:34:10,930 --> 00:34:13,770 S2: categories is I hope people find them. You can find 595 00:34:13,770 --> 00:34:17,180 S2: yourselves in so many. There's so much overlap. So yeah, 596 00:34:17,219 --> 00:34:21,980 S2: definitely that involves working with your body moving. It involves 597 00:34:21,980 --> 00:34:25,100 S2: training and being disciplined in a certain way. Right. And, um, 598 00:34:25,260 --> 00:34:28,860 S2: but it also would be a keeper because she's tending 599 00:34:28,860 --> 00:34:31,180 S2: the creatures that God has made. She's forming a really 600 00:34:31,180 --> 00:34:34,779 S2: special relationship with them. She's, um, receiving the gifts of 601 00:34:34,780 --> 00:34:38,740 S2: God through their friendship, um, through their love and learning 602 00:34:38,739 --> 00:34:41,340 S2: from them and how the Lord takes care of her as, 603 00:34:41,380 --> 00:34:44,180 S2: as she takes care of them. Um, so it would 604 00:34:44,180 --> 00:34:46,500 S2: be a mixture of, of both of those for sure. 605 00:34:46,820 --> 00:34:50,900 S1: Well, she's also a beholder as well in some ways 606 00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:55,100 S1: of the, of the glory of the, you know, God's 607 00:34:55,100 --> 00:34:59,620 S1: creation as, as she's working with the animals and being outside. Right? 608 00:34:59,660 --> 00:35:01,180 S2: Yep. Exactly. Yeah. 609 00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:06,980 S1: Uh, each of the categories though has a key temptation. 610 00:35:07,380 --> 00:35:10,299 S1: And I wonder, I wondered as I went through them 611 00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:12,700 S1: because I tried to guess, you know, what would a 612 00:35:12,980 --> 00:35:17,110 S1: nourisher someone who loves to bake, who loves to make, 613 00:35:17,390 --> 00:35:21,350 S1: you know, scrumptious dishes. And I thought, well, glutton would 614 00:35:21,350 --> 00:35:24,630 S1: be would be the answer to that. But it's like, no, 615 00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:28,270 S1: you chose glutton for the movers. So how did you 616 00:35:28,270 --> 00:35:31,310 S1: choose the key temptation for each of the categories? 617 00:35:32,190 --> 00:35:35,670 S2: Yeah. Um, well, I did want to kind of be surprising. 618 00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:39,509 S2: I wanted to think of one, I wanted to highlight, um, 619 00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:43,670 S2: a temptation that maybe we wouldn't always think of, um, 620 00:35:43,710 --> 00:35:47,029 S2: for some of them. So yeah, movers I chose gluttony. Um, 621 00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:50,109 S2: in that one. Um, I think because like you said, 622 00:35:50,110 --> 00:35:53,750 S2: we usually associate gluttony with food, but um, I think 623 00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:57,630 S2: that even as people who, uh, train and discipline our bodies, 624 00:35:57,630 --> 00:36:01,029 S2: because movers would be people who participate in activities like, um, 625 00:36:01,030 --> 00:36:05,989 S2: that involve movement, walking, running, kayaking, cycling and such. Um, 626 00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:10,270 S2: but I think, um, that gluttonous desire is a desire 627 00:36:10,270 --> 00:36:16,360 S2: for um, excess of over, over, concerns over overdoing it. Um, 628 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,799 S2: and I think, uh, especially as we reach for results, 629 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,800 S2: which we're so tempted to do, um, we are tempted to, um, 630 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,040 S2: over overdo it to have a gluttonous desire for more 631 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,000 S2: and even at the expense of our own bodies. Right? 632 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,080 S2: We push ourselves way too hard and we end up 633 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,640 S2: with an injury or we, um, you know, we're trying to, uh, 634 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,320 S2: keep up with our Strava app and, uh, you know, 635 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,279 S2: post about it and such. Um, so I think that, that, 636 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,799 S2: that could be a temptation there. Um, but yeah, so 637 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,600 S2: in each one, I just tried to highlight one, there's 638 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,040 S2: a lot of temptations we can get with different categories, 639 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,359 S2: of course. Um, but, but there's one for each that 640 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:53,880 S2: we can just start to think about. 641 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,600 S1: Did you marry someone who was the same in the 642 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,520 S1: same category as you? As far as hobbies go? 643 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,560 S2: I married a maker. Um, so we are, and I 644 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,680 S2: am a maker. So we are both, uh, very creative, uh, 645 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,160 S2: do it yourself kind of people. Uh, so we'd also 646 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:17,050 S2: be restorers. Uh, we we have many similarities in that sense, 647 00:37:17,050 --> 00:37:19,609 S2: which can be a good thing. And also, um, we're 648 00:37:19,610 --> 00:37:21,850 S2: in the middle of a bathroom renovation, so it feels 649 00:37:21,850 --> 00:37:25,570 S2: like a bad thing right now. But but I promise 650 00:37:25,610 --> 00:37:28,730 S2: it's not actually we have, we have fun together. Um, 651 00:37:29,570 --> 00:37:32,770 S2: but yeah, but in some ways, in some ways also 652 00:37:32,770 --> 00:37:36,570 S2: know we're different. Um, we like to, we are beholders 653 00:37:36,570 --> 00:37:38,730 S2: as well in many different ways. But I mean, I, 654 00:37:39,090 --> 00:37:41,690 S2: I am a beholder with reading and I love reading 655 00:37:41,690 --> 00:37:46,970 S2: and my husband really loves the stars. Um, and I'm 656 00:37:47,010 --> 00:37:48,730 S2: not that I don't like them. Right? Not that he 657 00:37:48,730 --> 00:37:51,049 S2: doesn't like reading. Um, but actually when, when you're also 658 00:37:51,050 --> 00:37:53,489 S2: with somebody who is different than you, it really helps 659 00:37:53,530 --> 00:37:56,130 S2: pull out like we talked about in the beginning, you 660 00:37:56,130 --> 00:37:59,210 S2: know what? Well, what about that? Do you love? Um, actually, 661 00:37:59,210 --> 00:38:01,410 S2: I can, I can see that beauty too now a 662 00:38:01,410 --> 00:38:04,290 S2: little more clearly because you help me see it, you know? Um, 663 00:38:04,290 --> 00:38:08,330 S2: and I think that's just another example of, of God using, um, 664 00:38:08,610 --> 00:38:11,489 S2: I mean, diversity, uh, as he does in the church, right? 665 00:38:11,620 --> 00:38:15,899 S2: Because we need each other using community, um, to, to 666 00:38:15,940 --> 00:38:19,540 S2: better ourselves. Um, because we all just have, we all 667 00:38:19,540 --> 00:38:25,580 S2: just have little snapshots of, um, of, of, of, of 668 00:38:25,580 --> 00:38:28,420 S2: what we're learning of, of the beauties of the Lord. Right. 669 00:38:28,460 --> 00:38:30,299 S2: And so we just can put them together and make 670 00:38:30,300 --> 00:38:31,219 S2: something beautiful. 671 00:38:31,580 --> 00:38:33,780 S1: I think that's one of the things that I really 672 00:38:33,780 --> 00:38:36,779 S1: like about what the book has done to me. And 673 00:38:36,780 --> 00:38:40,500 S1: that is remove the judgment first from myself. You know, 674 00:38:40,540 --> 00:38:43,420 S1: I like this. I'm drawn to that. It's like, okay, 675 00:38:43,460 --> 00:38:46,900 S1: it is, it is what it is. Uh, but also 676 00:38:46,940 --> 00:38:49,860 S1: take away the judgment. Like I mentioned earlier, the train set, 677 00:38:49,860 --> 00:38:53,380 S1: I remember when John Stott, uh, came to the studio 678 00:38:53,380 --> 00:38:55,580 S1: and was sitting there and I asked him, you know, 679 00:38:55,700 --> 00:39:00,100 S1: what do you do in for, for fun? And he, 680 00:39:00,180 --> 00:39:02,259 S1: I don't even think I asked the question. He just 681 00:39:02,260 --> 00:39:05,740 S1: started talking about birds. He was a birder. He loved 682 00:39:05,739 --> 00:39:07,899 S1: to read about birds. He loved to go out in 683 00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:10,430 S1: nature and look, you know, as a beholder of that. 684 00:39:10,469 --> 00:39:13,470 S1: He learned all those things. I remember Michael Card talking 685 00:39:13,469 --> 00:39:17,350 S1: about his, uh, his, the telescope that he had where 686 00:39:17,350 --> 00:39:19,750 S1: he could look at the stars. And it's like, I 687 00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:22,150 S1: don't know, I don't even know if I could know 688 00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:25,430 S1: the Big Dipper if I saw it, but he did. 689 00:39:25,469 --> 00:39:29,230 S1: And we need those kinds of people in our lives 690 00:39:29,390 --> 00:39:33,750 S1: to expand our own hearts and to be able to 691 00:39:33,790 --> 00:39:39,230 S1: behold what God has done in our world around us. Uh, 692 00:39:39,230 --> 00:39:42,430 S1: Brianna Lambert is one of those people setting us free today. 693 00:39:42,430 --> 00:39:45,509 S1: Created to play is our featured resource. Go to Chris 694 00:39:45,550 --> 00:39:50,070 S1: Fabry live.org. Click through today's information. You'll see more about her, 695 00:39:50,110 --> 00:39:54,550 S1: her website and that book created to play How Taking 696 00:39:54,550 --> 00:40:07,590 S1: Hobbies Seriously Grows us spiritually more straight ahead. He created 697 00:40:07,590 --> 00:40:10,640 S1: us to delight in play, not in order to prove 698 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:16,280 S1: our worth, but to humbly look upon his. We enjoy hobbies, 699 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,759 S1: not to craft an identity, but to remind ourselves of 700 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,440 S1: the one we already hold as God's children. When we 701 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,840 S1: hit the trails solely for the love of it, push 702 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,160 S1: our hands against a ball of clay, or spend an 703 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,439 S1: afternoon organizing a collection of playing cards. We're stepping out 704 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,879 S1: of our work or work oriented mindset and into a 705 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:46,440 S1: posture primed for worship. Because play isn't about what we accomplish. 706 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:52,239 S1: It's about who we become in the process. So says 707 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,759 S1: Brianna Lambert, author of Created to Play our featured resource, 708 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:01,040 S1: Chris fabry.org. I got to get to Steven in Tennessee. Steven, 709 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,200 S1: why did you call today? 710 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,479 S6: Hey, Chris, thanks for taking my call. Brianna. I really like, 711 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,730 S6: I love this, uh, this concept as you guys are 712 00:41:08,730 --> 00:41:11,610 S6: talking about it. And I never really had a hobby, uh, 713 00:41:11,650 --> 00:41:15,650 S6: throughout most of my life, but, uh, I'm, I'm 43 714 00:41:15,690 --> 00:41:19,049 S6: at about 38, I started getting into rocks and what 715 00:41:19,090 --> 00:41:21,730 S6: really amazed me about rocks is the formation of it. 716 00:41:21,770 --> 00:41:25,610 S6: Each rock has a story. And, um, and I started 717 00:41:25,610 --> 00:41:29,089 S6: getting into, uh, collecting different rocks and lapidary work. So 718 00:41:29,090 --> 00:41:31,730 S6: it's not really about collecting them. It's more about what 719 00:41:31,730 --> 00:41:34,330 S6: can I make out of them. And I started, uh, 720 00:41:34,370 --> 00:41:38,529 S6: polishing them, doing tumbling and then wrapping them in copper. Uh, 721 00:41:38,530 --> 00:41:42,250 S6: I just started doing that. Um, but now my, now 722 00:41:42,290 --> 00:41:45,370 S6: my garage is just full of rocks and nobody understands, 723 00:41:45,410 --> 00:41:47,210 S6: you know, like I'm like, oh, look at this cool rock. 724 00:41:47,210 --> 00:41:52,290 S6: And they're like, oh, yeah, that's cool, you know? Um, but, uh, yeah, yeah, 725 00:41:52,330 --> 00:41:55,009 S6: I what, what fascinates me and what you guys are 726 00:41:55,010 --> 00:41:57,850 S6: talking about, like the rocks they like, they do bring 727 00:41:57,850 --> 00:41:59,730 S6: me to worship because I look at this rock and 728 00:41:59,730 --> 00:42:02,770 S6: I'm like, God created this thing like, and then when 729 00:42:02,770 --> 00:42:04,529 S6: I shave it and polish it and turn it into 730 00:42:04,530 --> 00:42:07,430 S6: something else, it's like, oh my gosh, look what God did. 731 00:42:07,469 --> 00:42:11,630 S6: You know, and, uh, and so, uh, yeah, I never, 732 00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:13,790 S6: I never thought that I ever have a hobby where 733 00:42:13,790 --> 00:42:16,230 S6: I collect something as mundane or what I thought would 734 00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:19,430 S6: be mundane as a rock. But now here I am overloaded. 735 00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:21,270 S6: My wife is like, what are you going to do 736 00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:22,710 S6: with all these things? I'm like, I'm going to make 737 00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:24,630 S6: something out of them. Don't worry. You know. 738 00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:27,110 S1: That was what I was going to ask you. Your 739 00:42:27,110 --> 00:42:30,830 S1: family members did they did they understand this? And, and 740 00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:33,790 S1: then to Brianna, do I have to make other people 741 00:42:33,790 --> 00:42:36,710 S1: understand what I the joy. I can hear it in 742 00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:40,350 S1: his voice and Steven's voice. It's like you touched a 743 00:42:40,350 --> 00:42:43,630 S1: nerve inside. And he just loves these rocks and doing 744 00:42:43,630 --> 00:42:46,910 S1: the polishing. And that's the first time I'd heard that 745 00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:50,150 S1: that word lapidary. Thank you, Steven, for opening my my 746 00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:53,589 S1: heart and mind to that word. Uh, Brianna, this is 747 00:42:53,590 --> 00:42:55,150 S1: exactly what you're talking about. 748 00:42:56,310 --> 00:42:59,310 S2: Yeah. I love your joy and passion for that. That's so, 749 00:42:59,350 --> 00:43:04,910 S2: that's so neat to hear. Um, I think you're just, um, 750 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,920 S2: adding more beauty in the world. And in the process, 751 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,160 S2: you are beholding the beauty of those rocks and God's 752 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,600 S2: teaching you through that. Um, do other people have to 753 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,840 S2: do other people have to share that? I mean, I 754 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:22,239 S2: think in one sense, obviously no one's always going 100%, right? 755 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,920 S2: Like if they don't have that passion, exactly, they're not 756 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,000 S2: going to completely understand. Um, but I do think the 757 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,080 S2: more we can, can invite others into it and the 758 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:36,080 S2: more we can be receptive to, um, to learn and 759 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:40,239 S2: delight with, with each other. Um, I think, I think, 760 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,640 S2: I think that's a good thing and I think we 761 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,319 S2: will grow and maybe we won't grow to appreciate it, right? 762 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,640 S2: Like maybe your wife won't ever appreciate it in the 763 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,920 S2: same way. Um, I'll give a story though. Actually, my 764 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,040 S2: husband loves airplanes. Um, he always loves watching them go. 765 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,000 S2: He would be like an airplane spotter, you know, if 766 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,160 S2: he wanted to, he could, um, because there's a hobby 767 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:02,960 S2: of that too. And people go watch trains and all 768 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,730 S2: that stuff. Um, but anyway, um they don't all like 769 00:44:06,770 --> 00:44:08,890 S2: it's neat and we'll watch them with our kids and 770 00:44:08,890 --> 00:44:11,450 S2: we go to air shows and such. Um, but it's 771 00:44:11,450 --> 00:44:15,490 S2: been what almost 16 years. And I told them recently actually, 772 00:44:15,489 --> 00:44:18,650 S2: you know what, like the sound of a jet going 773 00:44:18,650 --> 00:44:21,290 S2: over like it did give me chills. And it was 774 00:44:21,290 --> 00:44:23,530 S2: like one of the first times that he was like, really? 775 00:44:23,890 --> 00:44:27,690 S2: It did. Um, and it was just a reminder of actually, 776 00:44:27,730 --> 00:44:31,529 S2: you know, over time, like you do start to appreciate 777 00:44:31,530 --> 00:44:34,610 S2: because the joy and the passion of someone else really 778 00:44:34,610 --> 00:44:37,649 S2: does start to change you to, to see it and 779 00:44:37,650 --> 00:44:40,210 S2: to delight in it. And even if it's not exactly 780 00:44:40,210 --> 00:44:43,489 S2: the same. Yeah. And that's, that's beautiful. 781 00:44:43,690 --> 00:44:46,210 S1: You have to before we end here today, you have 782 00:44:46,210 --> 00:44:51,930 S1: to talk about, uh, phones and how addicted to technology 783 00:44:52,130 --> 00:44:56,089 S1: children and adults are. Uh, you know, my pastime, my 784 00:44:56,090 --> 00:44:59,290 S1: hobby is just scrolling through doomscrolling. What do you say 785 00:44:59,290 --> 00:45:00,010 S1: about that? 786 00:45:01,130 --> 00:45:06,339 S2: Yeah. Um, so I think that first of all, I 787 00:45:06,380 --> 00:45:10,820 S2: don't think that, uh, well, okay, first of all, technology 788 00:45:10,820 --> 00:45:13,780 S2: has been such a great help towards our play, towards 789 00:45:13,780 --> 00:45:18,020 S2: our hobbies. Um, what used to be something that you 790 00:45:18,020 --> 00:45:20,660 S2: had to learn from somebody else, right? And while that's good, 791 00:45:20,980 --> 00:45:23,219 S2: we can go on to YouTube and find so many 792 00:45:23,219 --> 00:45:27,020 S2: tutorials to learn something new, whether it's embroidery, right, or quilting, 793 00:45:27,020 --> 00:45:29,779 S2: we can join hobby groups online. All these things are 794 00:45:29,780 --> 00:45:33,580 S2: really helpful. So I don't want to completely negate, um, 795 00:45:33,820 --> 00:45:36,420 S2: technology and all that. However, I think we need to 796 00:45:36,420 --> 00:45:40,460 S2: be careful not to go into what's easiest because it 797 00:45:40,460 --> 00:45:43,940 S2: is much more easy to doomscroll. Right? Um, the hobbies 798 00:45:43,940 --> 00:45:48,260 S2: and the activities that God's given us, they do take effort. Um, 799 00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:51,939 S2: they do involve work. Um, and so I think we 800 00:45:51,940 --> 00:45:55,780 S2: want to remember to prioritize and just try to push 801 00:45:55,780 --> 00:45:59,380 S2: through and realize that, um, the easy answer sometimes of 802 00:45:59,620 --> 00:46:03,390 S2: vegging out and Doomscrolling. is maybe not the most restorative 803 00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:07,589 S2: is maybe not the most enriching. And so sometimes we 804 00:46:07,590 --> 00:46:10,750 S2: actually have to push ourselves to actually do the work 805 00:46:10,750 --> 00:46:11,390 S2: of play. 806 00:46:12,510 --> 00:46:16,310 S1: I love everything that you said today, and I agree wholeheartedly. 807 00:46:16,310 --> 00:46:20,110 S1: Created to Play is an excellent book by Brianna Lambert. 808 00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:24,989 S1: How Taking Hobbies Seriously Grows Us Spiritually. Featured resource at 809 00:46:24,989 --> 00:46:29,549 S1: Chris fabry.org. Thank you to those who said. Fishing and 810 00:46:29,550 --> 00:46:36,790 S1: running and interior decorating, sewing and cross-stitching quilting. A lot 811 00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:39,589 S1: of people are into reading. I'm glad for that. You 812 00:46:39,630 --> 00:46:42,510 S1: come back and see us again. Brianna, thanks for your 813 00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:45,950 S1: input today and the program. And friend, thank you for listening. 814 00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:47,670 S1: Tell a friend about it. We're going to have a 815 00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:50,470 S1: great program tomorrow right here on Chris Fabry live production 816 00:46:50,469 --> 00:46:54,310 S1: of Moody Radio, a Ministry of Moody Bible Institute.