1 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,920 S1: It's Friday and what a great day to talk about 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:14,520 S1: the truth of the incarnation as we hurtle toward Christmas. Welcome, 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,480 S1: friend Chris Fabry live. I have two guests for you 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,960 S1: today who are musically inclined, and they are steeped in 5 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:26,160 S1: the music of Christmas. Our featured resource is our. Thank 6 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,080 S1: you to anyone who supports this program during the month 7 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,919 S1: of December. Hosanna in excelsis! Hymns and devotions for the 8 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:39,240 S1: Christmas Season. If you go to Chris Dot, you'll find 9 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,480 S1: out more about that and how to support this program 10 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,680 S1: and receive that as our thank you. Don't call us today. 11 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:50,320 S1: Our program is recorded, but get ready to rejoice. God 12 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:55,240 S1: with us was a reality and is a reality because 13 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,880 S1: God sent His Son for you and me. What better 14 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,980 S1: to talk about today, right? Let's get going. Since we 15 00:01:01,020 --> 00:01:03,140 S1: are not with you live. That means I need only 16 00:01:03,140 --> 00:01:07,380 S1: to thank Ryan McConaughey doing all things technical and Tricia McMillan, 17 00:01:07,740 --> 00:01:10,940 S1: before I say. And since it's Friday. That's right. It's 18 00:01:10,940 --> 00:01:14,220 S1: time for the fabulous February Friday. Sigh. What's it do, Chris? 19 00:01:14,260 --> 00:01:17,540 S1: One we oxygenate your blood. Two we get your endorphins going. 20 00:01:17,740 --> 00:01:21,899 S1: Three we raise your serotonin level. Four we promote lymphatic 21 00:01:21,900 --> 00:01:25,819 S1: drainage and five we stimulate your parasympathetic system. That's why 22 00:01:25,819 --> 00:01:29,140 S1: we call it the five lung languages. We also stimulate 23 00:01:29,140 --> 00:01:31,420 S1: your vagus nerve. And don't you dare forget what it 24 00:01:31,420 --> 00:01:34,780 S1: does to cortisol dissipation. Take in four seconds of air 25 00:01:34,819 --> 00:01:38,380 S1: through your nose right now. Hold it for seconds, and 26 00:01:38,380 --> 00:01:40,979 S1: then as you release that air through your mouth, push 27 00:01:40,980 --> 00:01:42,940 S1: on the left side of your rib cage to get 28 00:01:42,940 --> 00:01:46,300 S1: rid of all that bad carbon dioxide. Today we present 29 00:01:46,300 --> 00:01:50,020 S1: a sigh for the approach of Christmas, perhaps a plaintive sigh, 30 00:01:50,060 --> 00:01:53,500 S1: a bleak midwinter sigh. This site is for anyone who 31 00:01:53,500 --> 00:01:56,580 S1: figures out how to use the word hark authentically, or 32 00:01:56,580 --> 00:02:00,600 S1: the word low. It's for anyone who wonders why they 33 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:05,840 S1: wander or wanders and wonders simultaneously. It's for anyone who 34 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,320 S1: heard the bells on Christmas Day, and anyone who enjoys 35 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,200 S1: singing Ding Dong merrily on high all year round. The shepherds, 36 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,399 S1: the midnight clear, the manger, the holy night. There is 37 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,760 S1: joy to the world because the Savior has come. So today, 38 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,320 S1: give an extra sigh, a Yuletide sigh from all your 39 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,680 S1: friends at the radio. Backyard fence. Void where prohibited. All 40 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:31,080 S1: rights reserved. No reindeer were harmed in this exercise. Oh, 41 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,720 S1: I'm so excited about this because today is the day. 42 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,960 S1: If you call any number, call this one. Let it be. 43 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,679 S1: 86695 Fabry. Because I would love to put this gorgeous 44 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:46,800 S1: hardcover devotional in your hands, not just for December 2025, 45 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:51,440 S1: but for years to come. Hosanna in excelsis. We're going 46 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,639 S1: to talk about that with the Lehmans today, but I 47 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,240 S1: would love for you to benefit from the rich history 48 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,649 S1: of these hymns and songs and carols that we sing, 49 00:03:00,090 --> 00:03:01,929 S1: and your gift here at the end of the year 50 00:03:01,930 --> 00:03:04,489 S1: will make a big difference to keep this program going. 51 00:03:04,490 --> 00:03:10,490 S1: So call that number (866) 953-2279. Give a gift of any 52 00:03:10,530 --> 00:03:15,130 S1: size or you can give it the website. Chris. If 53 00:03:15,130 --> 00:03:17,690 S1: you scroll down you'll see the hardcover book right there. 54 00:03:17,690 --> 00:03:24,370 S1: Hosanna in excelsis Chris Fabry. And thanks for your support 55 00:03:24,370 --> 00:03:29,290 S1: of the radio backyard fence. This conversation happened five years ago, 56 00:03:29,330 --> 00:03:32,250 S1: I believe. Sir, you're going to hear some dated information 57 00:03:32,250 --> 00:03:35,450 S1: about the Lehman's 50th anniversary. It's got to be 55 58 00:03:35,490 --> 00:03:39,210 S1: by now, so disregard anything dated, but I hope this 59 00:03:39,210 --> 00:03:43,370 S1: conversation will encourage you to go online and support us 60 00:03:43,370 --> 00:03:45,890 S1: and receive this great gift here at the end of 61 00:03:45,890 --> 00:03:49,530 S1: the year. Here's how I began the program five years ago. 62 00:03:50,290 --> 00:03:54,410 S1: Barbara and David Lehman are both graduates of Biola University 63 00:03:54,450 --> 00:03:58,230 S1: School of Music, David's a retired director of music and worship. 64 00:03:58,510 --> 00:04:02,630 S1: Barbara is retired from elementary age music at a private 65 00:04:02,630 --> 00:04:08,830 S1: Christian school. Together they have written published Hosanna Loud Hosannas, 66 00:04:08,870 --> 00:04:12,750 S1: a student hymnal that's widely used in churches, Christian schools 67 00:04:12,750 --> 00:04:15,230 S1: and homes. But what we're going to talk about today, 68 00:04:15,230 --> 00:04:17,990 S1: I told them before we went on here, I've been 69 00:04:17,990 --> 00:04:22,190 S1: looking for a devotional to cut my yuletide teeth on, 70 00:04:22,350 --> 00:04:26,789 S1: and they've come up with it. Hosanna in excelsis! Hymns 71 00:04:26,790 --> 00:04:30,230 S1: and devotions for the Christmas Season. You can find a 72 00:04:30,230 --> 00:04:36,310 S1: link to it at Chris Livorno. It is a real pleasure, David. Barbara, 73 00:04:36,310 --> 00:04:37,790 S1: thanks for being with us today. 74 00:04:38,390 --> 00:04:39,550 S2: Thank you for having us. 75 00:04:39,589 --> 00:04:40,989 S3: Yes, pleasure to be here. 76 00:04:41,350 --> 00:04:44,230 S1: So tell me more about your let's let's start with 77 00:04:44,230 --> 00:04:47,589 S1: your love story. David. David. You first. How did you first. 78 00:04:47,630 --> 00:04:49,630 S1: How did you get her to say yes to you? 79 00:04:51,110 --> 00:04:55,330 S2: It wasn't easy. Uh, we met, as you said, at, uh, 80 00:04:55,970 --> 00:04:59,370 S2: Biola and uh, we were both, uh, music majors, and 81 00:04:59,770 --> 00:05:02,130 S2: we hung around a lot. We sang in choir together, 82 00:05:02,130 --> 00:05:05,050 S2: and it was actually on a choir tour, and I 83 00:05:05,089 --> 00:05:08,010 S2: think was that Barbara when we ended up in Chicago, 84 00:05:08,050 --> 00:05:10,969 S2: or maybe not, but at any rate, we had many 85 00:05:10,970 --> 00:05:13,849 S2: of those. And, uh, you spent a lot of time together, 86 00:05:13,850 --> 00:05:17,370 S2: and we discovered how much we had in common, and 87 00:05:17,410 --> 00:05:21,050 S2: I discovered how beautiful she was. And, boy, it was 88 00:05:21,050 --> 00:05:23,650 S2: just the natural thing to do to ask her to 89 00:05:23,650 --> 00:05:24,690 S2: marry me one day. 90 00:05:24,970 --> 00:05:27,570 S1: Isn't that great? Now, Barbara, you pick up the story. 91 00:05:27,610 --> 00:05:28,770 S1: Was it in Chicago? 92 00:05:29,690 --> 00:05:34,130 S3: No, actually, it was Northern California, Oregon, Washington, I think. Um, 93 00:05:34,170 --> 00:05:35,089 S3: does it matter? 94 00:05:36,010 --> 00:05:37,290 S2: No, it was a tour. 95 00:05:38,610 --> 00:05:42,450 S3: Choir tour? Yes, with the Biola Chorale, I remember that, uh, 96 00:05:42,890 --> 00:05:45,530 S3: I'd be in the practice room practicing. I was a 97 00:05:45,529 --> 00:05:47,730 S3: piano major, and Dave would knock on the door, and 98 00:05:47,730 --> 00:05:50,570 S3: he'd come in and he'd set his briefcase on end 99 00:05:50,570 --> 00:05:53,050 S3: and sit down, and we would just talk. And we 100 00:05:53,110 --> 00:05:55,990 S3: became very good friends. And one day when he asked 101 00:05:55,990 --> 00:05:58,670 S3: me to go to a concert with him, I remember 102 00:05:58,670 --> 00:06:01,430 S3: really struggling with that decision because I thought, but we're 103 00:06:01,430 --> 00:06:05,789 S3: such good friends, I don't want to mess that up. Well, 104 00:06:05,790 --> 00:06:08,350 S3: we're still good friends all these years later. And I think, 105 00:06:08,350 --> 00:06:10,750 S3: I think it's great advice to marry a good friend. 106 00:06:11,589 --> 00:06:14,150 S1: Well, you have music in common, too, when you have 107 00:06:14,150 --> 00:06:18,830 S1: something like that. It's a wonderful thing to. That brings 108 00:06:18,830 --> 00:06:23,110 S1: you together. But has music ever kind of distanced you? 109 00:06:23,150 --> 00:06:25,830 S1: I mean, do you look at music the same? Barbara. 110 00:06:25,830 --> 00:06:26,550 S1: You first. 111 00:06:27,070 --> 00:06:30,230 S3: I think that I have always felt very fortunate that 112 00:06:30,230 --> 00:06:34,710 S3: we had that in common, because we share, I would 113 00:06:34,710 --> 00:06:38,630 S3: say there may be times we disagree on something, but really, basically, 114 00:06:38,950 --> 00:06:42,710 S3: it has always amazed me that we have very much 115 00:06:42,710 --> 00:06:46,870 S3: the same taste, even in how we'll interpret a piece 116 00:06:46,870 --> 00:06:49,990 S3: of music, how we'll play it, how we'll sing it. Now, 117 00:06:50,029 --> 00:06:53,010 S3: maybe that's happened through the years because we've done that together. 118 00:06:53,010 --> 00:06:55,890 S3: But I think even from the beginning, I feel like 119 00:06:55,930 --> 00:06:58,409 S3: as a couple, a married couple, to have the same 120 00:06:59,770 --> 00:07:02,650 S3: in a sense occupation, the same love, the same interest 121 00:07:02,650 --> 00:07:05,810 S3: has just been a God given thing to us. 122 00:07:05,850 --> 00:07:06,330 S1: Yes. 123 00:07:06,370 --> 00:07:11,330 S2: And Barbara's father was a professional musician, and he taught 124 00:07:11,330 --> 00:07:16,810 S2: her to be incredibly musical. And the, uh, she mentioned 125 00:07:16,810 --> 00:07:20,690 S2: how much we interpret things alike. That's true. Uh, we 126 00:07:20,730 --> 00:07:24,250 S2: hear things and believe they should sound such and such. 127 00:07:24,490 --> 00:07:27,850 S2: And sometimes I'm actually amazed at how alike we are 128 00:07:27,890 --> 00:07:28,330 S2: in that. 129 00:07:28,890 --> 00:07:31,330 S1: Well, and I want I want to let people in 130 00:07:31,330 --> 00:07:34,490 S1: on this because I, I told you before the program 131 00:07:34,490 --> 00:07:39,050 S1: that my wife's my wife and my anniversary is December 18th, 132 00:07:39,410 --> 00:07:42,890 S1: and you said, uh, David, do you want me to 133 00:07:42,890 --> 00:07:49,610 S1: tell him you're 50th? 50th anniversary is December 18th. Wow. Right. 134 00:07:50,150 --> 00:07:55,670 S1: 50 years. That is fantastic. So we we celebrate with you. 135 00:07:55,670 --> 00:08:00,030 S1: But the reason that you're here is the Christmas celebration, 136 00:08:00,070 --> 00:08:05,910 S1: the the incarnation. Hosanna in excelsis is hymns and devotions 137 00:08:05,910 --> 00:08:08,270 S1: for the Christmas season. You're going to hear music throughout 138 00:08:08,270 --> 00:08:11,270 S1: this hour, and I want you to hear some of 139 00:08:11,270 --> 00:08:14,950 S1: the reason behind the what you know why the devotional 140 00:08:14,950 --> 00:08:17,910 S1: came about. Barbara, you first. How did this come about? 141 00:08:17,910 --> 00:08:19,550 S1: Why did you want to put this together? 142 00:08:19,990 --> 00:08:23,750 S3: Well, the obvious answer is to preserve the traditional carols 143 00:08:23,750 --> 00:08:27,790 S3: and heritage of our our Christian faith that goes back 144 00:08:27,790 --> 00:08:33,309 S3: 2000 years. The more practical was that after we produced Hosanna, 145 00:08:33,309 --> 00:08:36,630 S3: Loud hosannas for the Christian school where I taught, because 146 00:08:36,630 --> 00:08:40,869 S3: we were trying to keep that to around 100 hymns 147 00:08:41,150 --> 00:08:45,030 S3: that every child should know, we realized that our Christmas 148 00:08:45,070 --> 00:08:49,800 S3: advent epiphany section only had 21 carols, and I remember 149 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,720 S3: riding in the car one day and we were talking 150 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,839 S3: about that and we were thinking, oh, we didn't put 151 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,640 S3: in the first Noel. We had to leave out ding 152 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,320 S3: dong merrily on high. God rest ye merry gentlemen, all 153 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,559 S3: these wonderful carols that were not in it. And we thought, well, 154 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,920 S3: let's do a breakout. Let's do a book just on 155 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,960 S3: Christmas and call it, because our first book had the 156 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,760 S3: Hosanna theme. Call it Hosanna in excelsis. And so that's 157 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,480 S3: kind of where the idea came from. 158 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,920 S1: And you were all over that, David. It sounds. 159 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:25,079 S2: Like. Well, of course, uh, I love Christmas hymns. And, uh, 160 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,199 S2: I think we got all of the ones, save maybe 161 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:33,439 S2: 1 or 2 that are generally the canon of Christmas 162 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,760 S2: carols people know. But that was about half of the 163 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:42,120 S2: 43 that are in it. So we explored, uh, how 164 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,800 S2: to to choose this a little bit hard from various 165 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:52,340 S2: denominations Lutheran, Presbyterian and etc. and, and and pulled together 166 00:09:52,660 --> 00:09:58,420 S2: a broad spectrum of the great carols and hymns that 167 00:09:58,980 --> 00:10:01,579 S2: a lot of people know, if not most. And if 168 00:10:01,580 --> 00:10:06,900 S2: they don't, we think they should, because they express, uh, 169 00:10:07,179 --> 00:10:13,020 S2: the real profound truths, even the doctrines of the incarnation 170 00:10:13,020 --> 00:10:13,980 S2: and of Christmas. 171 00:10:14,340 --> 00:10:17,140 S1: And the the melodies are going to be, you know, 172 00:10:17,220 --> 00:10:21,140 S1: they're all around us, uh, during the Christmas season. 173 00:10:21,179 --> 00:10:21,780 S3: Absolutely. 174 00:10:21,820 --> 00:10:25,940 S1: But it's the words that mean so much. We're going 175 00:10:25,980 --> 00:10:30,740 S1: to hear about one of the oldest hymns in this collection. 176 00:10:30,740 --> 00:10:32,460 S1: As a matter of fact, you're hearing some of the 177 00:10:32,460 --> 00:10:35,860 S1: music from that him right now. So see if you 178 00:10:35,860 --> 00:10:38,620 S1: can figure it out and go to the website. Chris, 179 00:10:40,059 --> 00:10:44,100 S1: because this is not just our featured resource. Hosanna in excelsis. 180 00:10:44,380 --> 00:10:47,559 S1: Hymns and devotions for the Christmas Season by David and 181 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,520 S1: Barbara Lehman is our. Thank you. Right now, if you 182 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,000 S1: give a gift of any size to Chris Fabry live, 183 00:10:53,000 --> 00:11:00,000 S1: call the number. 866953 or go to Chris Dot. More 184 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,960 S1: straight ahead on Moody Radio. 185 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:18,120 S4: Of the father's love begotten ere the worlds began to be. 186 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:27,920 S4: He often permits he the source, the he. 187 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:29,280 S5: This is Chris. 188 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,360 S1: Fabry, live on Moody Radio. Thank you so much for 189 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,160 S1: joining us here on this Friday broadcast. Hope you're enjoying 190 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,920 S1: the conversation with David and Barbara Lehman. A few years ago, 191 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:43,560 S1: they put together a hardcover book, Hosanna in Excelsis Hymns 192 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,460 S1: and Devotions for the Christmas season. And it's our thank you. 193 00:11:47,460 --> 00:11:49,420 S1: Right now, if you give a gift of any size, 194 00:11:49,420 --> 00:11:53,620 S1: just go to the website Chris. And you'll see it 195 00:11:53,620 --> 00:11:59,260 S1: right there. Chris. Let me read this. Of the father's 196 00:11:59,260 --> 00:12:04,980 S1: love begotten. Ere the worlds began to be. He is 197 00:12:04,980 --> 00:12:09,700 S1: Alpha and Omega. He the source, the ending. He of 198 00:12:09,700 --> 00:12:13,660 S1: the things that are, that have been. And that future 199 00:12:13,660 --> 00:12:20,500 S1: years shall see. Evermore and evermore. Barbara, you have this 200 00:12:20,500 --> 00:12:23,260 S1: open there in front of you. Where did this come from? 201 00:12:24,020 --> 00:12:26,900 S3: It came from the first chapter of the book of John. 202 00:12:26,900 --> 00:12:29,420 S3: In the beginning was the word, and the word was 203 00:12:29,420 --> 00:12:32,500 S3: with God, and the word was God. He was in 204 00:12:32,500 --> 00:12:35,580 S3: the beginning with God. All things were made through him, 205 00:12:35,820 --> 00:12:39,860 S3: and without him was not anything made that was made. 206 00:12:40,940 --> 00:12:43,020 S3: In him was life, and the life was the light 207 00:12:43,020 --> 00:12:46,040 S3: of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the 208 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,040 S3: darkness has not overcome it. And then let me read 209 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,720 S3: verse 14 for us. And the word became flesh and 210 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,160 S3: dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory 211 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,720 S3: as of the only son from the father, full of 212 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:02,120 S3: grace and truth. This is probably one of my favorite 213 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:03,280 S3: carols in the book. 214 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,640 S1: Me too. Me too. I remember a Christmas dinner where 215 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:12,480 S1: they asked me to sing something, and I chose this. 216 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,200 S1: And I chose to sing it a cappella because the 217 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,840 S1: room that we were in was a little kind of cavernous, 218 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,880 S1: you know, and you could hear it and just the voice, 219 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:26,560 S1: just a single voice singing, that was so moving to me. 220 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,680 S1: And now what do you do with on on. This 221 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,480 S1: is for December the 2nd. What do you do, David, 222 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,600 S1: with the devotional that goes along with that song? 223 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:40,880 S2: Well, we're reminding them that, uh, this is speaking of 224 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,970 S2: a mystery. Uh, and in fact, the tune is called 225 00:13:45,210 --> 00:13:51,530 S2: Divinum Mysterium Divine Mystery. And, uh, the whole story of 226 00:13:51,530 --> 00:13:56,290 S2: the incarnation of of the word becoming flesh. We we 227 00:13:56,330 --> 00:13:59,730 S2: don't understand it. Even Paul, the apostle Paul, you know, 228 00:13:59,770 --> 00:14:03,930 S2: he used the word mystery 21 times throughout his writing. 229 00:14:04,410 --> 00:14:07,890 S2: And he said, beyond all question, the mystery from which 230 00:14:07,929 --> 00:14:12,890 S2: true godliness springs is great. And, uh, so we, uh, 231 00:14:13,370 --> 00:14:18,330 S2: are able to sing the wonder of that. And as 232 00:14:18,330 --> 00:14:21,330 S2: you sang it a cappella in that room, it has 233 00:14:21,330 --> 00:14:26,490 S2: that haunting kind of chant like mystery. And, uh, of 234 00:14:26,530 --> 00:14:30,370 S2: course it sounds ancient as it is ancient. Yes. So 235 00:14:30,410 --> 00:14:34,330 S2: there's the, uh, the wonder of it that it's speaking 236 00:14:34,330 --> 00:14:36,850 S2: of something we don't understand. 237 00:14:37,130 --> 00:14:41,010 S1: Yeah. And one of the things that a Christmas hymn. 238 00:14:41,130 --> 00:14:44,910 S1: And this one plane song. What it will do for 239 00:14:44,910 --> 00:14:48,790 S1: you is awaken something, I think, on the inside. And. 240 00:14:48,790 --> 00:14:52,030 S1: And there are words. There are phrases that kind of 241 00:14:52,270 --> 00:14:57,510 S1: stick with you. Even that word begotten. He, that. That Jesus. 242 00:14:57,550 --> 00:15:01,390 S1: That's so important in our theology that he was not. 243 00:15:01,590 --> 00:15:07,790 S1: He was begotten of God, contains a theological truth that 244 00:15:07,790 --> 00:15:10,790 S1: we hang on to along with the virgin birth. That's 245 00:15:11,110 --> 00:15:17,229 S1: that's in the hymn as well, about how Jesus was born. Quote. 246 00:15:17,270 --> 00:15:21,670 S1: When the Virgin, full of grace by the Holy Ghost conceiving, 247 00:15:21,910 --> 00:15:25,670 S1: bore the Savior of our race. So there's there's something 248 00:15:25,670 --> 00:15:30,670 S1: about the poetry of these songs that calls us that 249 00:15:30,670 --> 00:15:33,190 S1: strikes something deeper, don't you think, Barbara? 250 00:15:33,750 --> 00:15:37,470 S3: Yes. And it's interesting you quoted that second verse. What? 251 00:15:37,470 --> 00:15:39,830 S3: I was learning this and teaching it to the children, 252 00:15:40,170 --> 00:15:42,130 S3: The line that grabbed me was the rest of verse 253 00:15:42,130 --> 00:15:46,250 S3: two and the babe, the world's redeemer, first revealed his 254 00:15:46,250 --> 00:15:47,250 S3: sacred face. 255 00:15:47,450 --> 00:15:47,850 S1: Mhm. 256 00:15:48,250 --> 00:15:50,570 S3: You know I can that bring tears. It brings tears 257 00:15:50,570 --> 00:15:53,570 S3: to my eyes. The thought of that and the way that, that, 258 00:15:53,610 --> 00:15:57,410 S3: that was said first revealed his sacred face. 259 00:15:57,410 --> 00:16:00,290 S1: And it, and it, uh, it's kind of the Haunting 260 00:16:00,690 --> 00:16:02,970 S1: of Mary. Did you know, you know, some of the 261 00:16:02,970 --> 00:16:06,810 S1: contemporary hymns or songs that have been written from the 262 00:16:06,810 --> 00:16:10,850 S1: perspective of Mary or Joseph looking at this child and 263 00:16:10,850 --> 00:16:13,930 S1: the mystery that you talked about? David. Okay. So that's 264 00:16:13,930 --> 00:16:17,490 S1: that's part of what you get in this book is 265 00:16:17,490 --> 00:16:20,290 S1: not just the the text of the song and the 266 00:16:20,290 --> 00:16:22,530 S1: hymn that you see it. And I love it that 267 00:16:22,530 --> 00:16:24,570 S1: we could sing it in four part harmony if we 268 00:16:24,570 --> 00:16:28,610 S1: wanted to, uh, but also the devotional that goes along 269 00:16:28,610 --> 00:16:31,090 S1: with it. So that's one of the oldest hymns that 270 00:16:31,090 --> 00:16:34,250 S1: you have. Take us to another, David. Just pick one 271 00:16:34,250 --> 00:16:37,410 S1: out and and tell me why you chose it and 272 00:16:37,410 --> 00:16:38,950 S1: what the importance is. 273 00:16:39,310 --> 00:16:44,350 S2: Well, since you brought up our, um, anniversary that we share, 274 00:16:44,670 --> 00:16:48,630 S2: I put in one hymn that, uh, we had used 275 00:16:48,630 --> 00:16:53,590 S2: in our wedding 50 years ago, and it's the number 38, 276 00:16:53,590 --> 00:16:57,710 S2: and it's in the devotional calendar. It's for January 1st 277 00:16:58,150 --> 00:17:03,470 S2: called O rejoice, ye Christians, loudly. And, uh, this is 278 00:17:03,510 --> 00:17:08,669 S2: a hymn from the 1600s, uh, from Germany. And the 279 00:17:08,950 --> 00:17:13,590 S2: wonder of it is that, um, it was written during 280 00:17:13,790 --> 00:17:17,950 S2: the period. Horrible period, uh, known as the 30 Years 281 00:17:17,990 --> 00:17:23,229 S2: War in Central Europe, in which thousands, tens of thousands, uh, 282 00:17:23,230 --> 00:17:28,790 S2: actually over 8 million people died, uh, both from famine 283 00:17:29,070 --> 00:17:34,790 S2: and from war. And, uh, what's beautiful about this, this 284 00:17:34,790 --> 00:17:40,410 S2: hymn is it's all about joy. Uh, it's, uh, the 285 00:17:40,410 --> 00:17:44,649 S2: text is O rejoice, ye Christians, loudly, for our joy 286 00:17:44,650 --> 00:17:48,730 S2: has now begun. Wondrous thing our God has done. Tell 287 00:17:48,730 --> 00:17:52,810 S2: abroad his goodness proudly who our race has honored us, 288 00:17:53,090 --> 00:17:56,570 S2: that he deigns to dwell with us. Joy, O joy, 289 00:17:56,890 --> 00:18:02,090 S2: beyond all gladness Christ has done away with sadness, hence 290 00:18:02,090 --> 00:18:06,890 S2: all sorrow and repining for the son of grace is shining. 291 00:18:08,330 --> 00:18:09,530 S6: That is so good. 292 00:18:09,890 --> 00:18:11,890 S1: That and and then you have the verse that is 293 00:18:11,890 --> 00:18:15,210 S1: kind of based on Isaiah 3510 and the ransomed of 294 00:18:15,210 --> 00:18:17,970 S1: the Lord shall return and come to Zion with singing. 295 00:18:18,130 --> 00:18:21,889 S1: Everlasting joy shall be upon their heads. They shall obtain gladness, 296 00:18:21,890 --> 00:18:25,530 S1: and joy, and sorrow, and sighing shall flee away. I 297 00:18:25,530 --> 00:18:30,090 S1: also see some German words here Freude, which is joy, 298 00:18:30,330 --> 00:18:36,740 S1: joy to you, Christian, everybody, all Christians. So what? Barbara, 299 00:18:36,740 --> 00:18:39,140 S1: what what strikes you about that? Him? 300 00:18:40,020 --> 00:18:43,859 S3: Well, I think that same thing, that last. That last line. Hence. 301 00:18:43,900 --> 00:18:47,739 S3: Get away from me all sorrow and repining. For the 302 00:18:47,740 --> 00:18:50,260 S3: son of Grace is shining. I think that's a I 303 00:18:50,500 --> 00:18:53,660 S3: almost could become a daily mantra in our world. We 304 00:18:53,660 --> 00:18:57,020 S3: tend to look downward, you know, lately, on dark days 305 00:18:57,020 --> 00:19:00,540 S3: or whatever we say, look up, just look up and 306 00:19:00,540 --> 00:19:05,740 S3: everything changes. Everything changes. Um, that God came into our 307 00:19:05,740 --> 00:19:11,659 S3: world to bring us joy. And we celebrate the baby. 308 00:19:12,180 --> 00:19:16,580 S3: And yet, uh, the future joy is there. We celebrate 309 00:19:16,580 --> 00:19:19,659 S3: the birth and the baby because of what our future 310 00:19:19,660 --> 00:19:20,380 S3: brings us. 311 00:19:21,380 --> 00:19:25,980 S1: And it's not the circumstances that we are in that, uh, 312 00:19:26,300 --> 00:19:29,220 S1: that makes us joyful. Or we think that we have 313 00:19:29,220 --> 00:19:31,300 S1: to have everything going right in order to be happy, 314 00:19:31,340 --> 00:19:34,280 S1: quote unquote. Right. But it's it's, you know, the The 315 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:38,120 S1: circumstances that Mary and Joseph found themselves back in Bethlehem, 316 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,159 S1: you know, in that first Christmas didn't bring them a 317 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,760 S1: lot of joy, but there was joy in the heavens, 318 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,240 S1: and they could have joy at what God was, was 319 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,440 S1: bringing about. And so if you're listening today and you say, 320 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,760 S1: you know, I'm not in a place of real joy. 321 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:59,359 S1: Then listen to those words that were just read to 322 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:04,760 S1: you and think about this. There's another aspect of this devotional. 323 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:09,240 S1: Let me just read this sentence. This refrain virtually sparkles 324 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:14,200 S1: with joy as it builds box bass harmony winds up 325 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:19,280 S1: like a catapult to proclaim the final exclamation, defying the 326 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:24,400 S1: stereotypes of troubles, much less war. So you you deal 327 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:29,400 S1: with the musical setting of this as well as the text. Right, David? 328 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:35,340 S2: That's right. And I think this tune and and harmony 329 00:20:35,580 --> 00:20:41,580 S2: is very well written for this text. Remarkably, it builds 330 00:20:41,820 --> 00:20:45,220 S2: completely on what the text meaning is. By the way, 331 00:20:45,220 --> 00:20:49,180 S2: it also, uh, in the last stanza takes us into 332 00:20:49,180 --> 00:20:51,660 S2: the New year, which is why we chose it for 333 00:20:51,660 --> 00:20:56,820 S2: January 1st. Uh, says, uh, grant all Christians far and near. 334 00:20:56,980 --> 00:20:59,700 S2: Holy peace, a glad New year. 335 00:21:01,020 --> 00:21:04,619 S1: Well, as you can tell, I am just enjoying the 336 00:21:04,619 --> 00:21:08,739 S1: conversation we're having with David and Barbara Lehman today. And 337 00:21:08,740 --> 00:21:12,139 S1: if you go to the website, Chris Fabry lives, you 338 00:21:12,140 --> 00:21:16,620 S1: will see our featured resource, Hosanna in Excelsis Hymns and 339 00:21:16,619 --> 00:21:20,420 S1: Devotions for the Christmas Season. We have it linked right there. 340 00:21:20,420 --> 00:21:23,780 S1: We also have a link to their website. There's a 341 00:21:23,780 --> 00:21:28,100 S1: musical rendition of this that simply the piano, where you 342 00:21:28,100 --> 00:21:31,859 S1: can sing along as a family, or voices that are 343 00:21:31,859 --> 00:21:34,359 S1: there So you can find out more about that or 344 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,200 S1: the devotional itself. Just go to Chris Fabry live. We 345 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,639 S1: can't listen to that. Him and the context that it 346 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,840 S1: was written in without thinking about another hymn that was 347 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:52,440 S1: written by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow. I heard the bells on 348 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:57,760 S1: Christmas Day that David was written at a really pivotal 349 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,400 S1: time in our country, wasn't it? 350 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,719 S2: Well, it was, uh, Civil War during the Civil War, 351 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,240 S2: and it was a pivotal time in Longfellow's life. He'd 352 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,600 S2: been very successful as a poet and had a wonderful 353 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:15,160 S2: life and a beautiful home, a beautiful wife. But she 354 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:20,520 S2: suddenly became ill and died. Uh, he remarried, but the 355 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:25,040 S2: second wife also died tragically by lighting candles. And her 356 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:29,760 S2: clothes caught fire. And, uh, when Longfellow was trying to 357 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,460 S2: put out the fire on her clothes. He was severely burned, 358 00:22:33,460 --> 00:22:36,140 S2: which is why he always wore a full beard for 359 00:22:36,140 --> 00:22:39,859 S2: the rest of his life. And then his son. Uh, 360 00:22:40,660 --> 00:22:44,260 S2: even though Longfellow hated war and didn't want him to 361 00:22:44,260 --> 00:22:49,540 S2: do this, his son enlisted and was severely injured. And, uh, 362 00:22:49,540 --> 00:22:56,020 S2: so all of this was an upside down world for, uh, Longfellow, 1862. 363 00:22:56,580 --> 00:22:59,340 S2: But he writes this carol, this poem. 364 00:22:59,859 --> 00:23:00,379 S5: Yes. 365 00:23:00,540 --> 00:23:03,100 S1: Uh, Barbara, pick it up from right there. What stands 366 00:23:03,100 --> 00:23:03,900 S1: out to you? 367 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:07,980 S3: I think the wrong shall fail. The right prevail. With 368 00:23:07,980 --> 00:23:11,140 S3: peace on earth. Goodwill to men. Hearing the bells of 369 00:23:11,140 --> 00:23:13,420 S3: Christmas bells just reminds us of that. And I think 370 00:23:13,420 --> 00:23:16,580 S3: that we we continually are. We're not in his day. 371 00:23:16,580 --> 00:23:19,020 S3: We haven't had the I haven't had personally the tragedy 372 00:23:19,020 --> 00:23:21,820 S3: in my life that he had. And I love this 373 00:23:21,820 --> 00:23:23,620 S3: first line even of the hymn I heard the bells 374 00:23:23,619 --> 00:23:28,620 S3: on Christmas Day, their old familiar carols play. And the 375 00:23:28,619 --> 00:23:32,160 S3: reason that they touch us is because they're familiar. And 376 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,680 S3: I think that's what I encourage people to make them familiar, 377 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,600 S3: make them familiar to your children. We teach children what 378 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,320 S3: is beautiful. We teach them what to love. And we wanted. 379 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:44,959 S3: That's one of the reasons when you asked me at 380 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,120 S3: the beginning of the broadcast about why we wrote the book, 381 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,360 S3: one of the deeper reasons, the main reasons we would 382 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,640 S3: write a book like this and take the time to 383 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:57,080 S3: research them and to teach them, is because we want 384 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,520 S3: the next generation to know them. So make these carols 385 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,640 S3: old and familiar. That takes us away from the text 386 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,320 S3: of that hymn. I understand, but that's just a really 387 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,400 S3: something that's very close to my heart. And I would 388 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,399 S3: say one of my passions in life is to encourage 389 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:18,680 S3: families to bring these into their home, learn them themselves, 390 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,360 S3: sing them with your children, play them with your children. 391 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,320 S3: At a Christmas season is so short. I remember as 392 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,199 S3: a child I could hardly wait for Christmas because we 393 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,690 S3: could sing the carols, and that I was so sad 394 00:24:29,730 --> 00:24:32,010 S3: to put the carol book away at the end of Christmas, 395 00:24:32,010 --> 00:24:34,649 S3: but it made them so special. And I would I 396 00:24:34,690 --> 00:24:36,010 S3: would like to pass that on. 397 00:24:37,090 --> 00:24:40,610 S2: In our book does give them 43 days from the 398 00:24:40,609 --> 00:24:44,210 S2: very beginning of advent to the end of epiphany, so 399 00:24:44,210 --> 00:24:46,330 S2: that each day you could do a new carol and 400 00:24:46,330 --> 00:24:47,250 S2: a new devotional. 401 00:24:47,609 --> 00:24:51,490 S1: Yes, it is just a great resource. Let me end 402 00:24:51,530 --> 00:24:54,850 S1: this segment, though by going back to that. The third verse. 403 00:24:54,850 --> 00:24:59,170 S1: And I heard the bells. Longfellow. To me, I was 404 00:24:59,170 --> 00:25:01,410 S1: going to say channel, but that's not the right word. 405 00:25:01,450 --> 00:25:05,330 S1: He's a lot like the psalmist who says in the 406 00:25:05,330 --> 00:25:08,609 S1: third verse, and in despair I bowed my head. There 407 00:25:08,609 --> 00:25:11,730 S1: is no peace on earth, I said, for hate is 408 00:25:11,730 --> 00:25:15,490 S1: strong and mocks the song of peace on earth, goodwill 409 00:25:15,530 --> 00:25:19,409 S1: to men. And so he has this very real sense, this, 410 00:25:19,450 --> 00:25:23,850 S1: this despondence that I don't I don't know what to 411 00:25:23,890 --> 00:25:27,129 S1: believe anymore because of all this destruction, all this death, 412 00:25:27,230 --> 00:25:30,110 S1: a war that I'm seeing. And then the bells peal again, 413 00:25:30,109 --> 00:25:34,550 S1: loud and deep. God's not dead. He's not asleep. And 414 00:25:34,550 --> 00:25:38,270 S1: then the, uh. The wrong shall fail, the right prevail. 415 00:25:38,270 --> 00:25:41,229 S1: I hope that is coming through to you today, no 416 00:25:41,230 --> 00:25:45,590 S1: matter what your circumstances are. Hosanna in excelsis! Hymns and 417 00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:48,670 S1: devotions for the Christmas season are featured. Resource. Go to Chris. 418 00:25:49,230 --> 00:25:53,590 S1: Talk more with David and Barbara Lehman. Straight ahead on 419 00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:54,510 S1: Moody Radio. 420 00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:12,070 S7: Joy to the world. The Lord is come. Let earth 421 00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:14,750 S7: receive her King. 422 00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:19,070 S1: Thanks for joining us for Chris Fabry Live and a fun, 423 00:26:19,070 --> 00:26:24,030 S1: festive Friday broadcast about Christmas hymns and carols that we sing. 424 00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:27,409 S1: David and Barbara Lehman joined us five years ago. Our 425 00:26:27,410 --> 00:26:32,890 S1: programs recorded. But I'm so excited because Hosanna in excelsis, 426 00:26:32,890 --> 00:26:36,490 S1: this hardback book that's a devotional about the hymns and 427 00:26:36,490 --> 00:26:39,410 S1: carols that we sing, is our thank you right now. 428 00:26:39,410 --> 00:26:47,290 S1: Go to the website. You'll find out more right there. Chris. Chris. Barbara. 429 00:26:47,290 --> 00:26:50,129 S1: When someone says, I don't have that good of a voice, 430 00:26:50,130 --> 00:26:52,970 S1: nobody wants to hear me sing. What do you say 431 00:26:52,970 --> 00:26:55,609 S1: to a person who says something like that? 432 00:26:56,170 --> 00:26:59,170 S3: Well, I say, first of all, I have not said 433 00:26:59,170 --> 00:27:03,650 S3: this ever out loud to a person. But I may, uh, 434 00:27:04,210 --> 00:27:06,370 S3: if you think that I don't want to hear you sing, 435 00:27:06,369 --> 00:27:09,369 S3: you're probably exactly the person that I want to hear sing. 436 00:27:09,369 --> 00:27:14,610 S3: Because God has given the gift of song to everyone. 437 00:27:15,410 --> 00:27:18,530 S3: There are not singers and non-singers in my world. Every 438 00:27:18,530 --> 00:27:21,450 S3: child can learn how to sing. And there are those 439 00:27:21,450 --> 00:27:24,710 S3: people who maybe it's more difficult or it's more intimidating. 440 00:27:25,070 --> 00:27:27,470 S3: And yet God has given us singing for all the 441 00:27:27,470 --> 00:27:30,710 S3: reasons we've been talking about the joy that comes from 442 00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:35,510 S3: singing and the remembrance of of him in our lives. Uh, 443 00:27:35,869 --> 00:27:38,950 S3: I used to teach children. They say, you know, I 444 00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:42,150 S3: say we sing because God commands us to sing. But 445 00:27:42,150 --> 00:27:44,790 S3: it's really more than that. Uh, God, we sing because 446 00:27:44,790 --> 00:27:48,390 S3: we're redeemed people. We have a song to sing. And 447 00:27:48,390 --> 00:27:51,070 S3: I think that is part of being a Christian to sing. 448 00:27:51,070 --> 00:27:54,950 S3: And unfortunately, the culture has taken us away from that. 449 00:27:55,230 --> 00:27:58,469 S3: And so we want to remember as Christians not to 450 00:27:58,510 --> 00:28:02,310 S3: listen to that. There are not performers and listeners just 451 00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:04,470 S3: to say, to say you don't want to hear me 452 00:28:04,510 --> 00:28:07,629 S3: sing is saying that, well, that means someone is judging 453 00:28:07,630 --> 00:28:09,389 S3: my singing. I don't think any of us should be 454 00:28:09,390 --> 00:28:12,430 S3: judged for our singing. So my encouragement is just to 455 00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:15,390 S3: to go ahead and sing and jump in and and 456 00:28:15,390 --> 00:28:19,390 S3: try it. Um, teach your children to sing. Let them 457 00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:20,310 S3: sing Joyful noise. 458 00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:20,790 S1: Right? 459 00:28:22,270 --> 00:28:24,010 S3: Absolutely I. Yes. 460 00:28:24,050 --> 00:28:26,690 S2: I always like to say, I believe that God loves 461 00:28:26,690 --> 00:28:28,650 S2: the sound of the crow as much as he does 462 00:28:28,650 --> 00:28:30,970 S2: the robin. Ooh, he loves them both. 463 00:28:31,210 --> 00:28:31,770 S6: Yes. 464 00:28:32,490 --> 00:28:33,010 S3: Right. 465 00:28:33,130 --> 00:28:34,210 S6: Well, but everything. 466 00:28:34,210 --> 00:28:37,130 S1: In our culture is is judged, you know. And so 467 00:28:37,130 --> 00:28:40,250 S1: I think there is that sense, especially if you have 468 00:28:40,250 --> 00:28:43,970 S1: problems keeping pitch or you don't have tone. It's just 469 00:28:43,970 --> 00:28:46,930 S1: like someone who can't see color, you know, is color blind. 470 00:28:47,290 --> 00:28:50,530 S1: There are those who can't hear themselves. But you're saying, no, 471 00:28:50,530 --> 00:28:54,010 S1: I want to hear what's down deep inside you as 472 00:28:54,010 --> 00:28:56,330 S1: you sing, whether it's on pitch or not. 473 00:28:56,370 --> 00:29:00,210 S3: Right, right. Yes. It's more like what? What you get 474 00:29:00,210 --> 00:29:01,930 S3: out of singing to the Lord. 475 00:29:01,970 --> 00:29:02,410 S6: Yes. 476 00:29:02,450 --> 00:29:04,209 S3: Than to what other people get out of singing. You're 477 00:29:04,210 --> 00:29:06,250 S3: not performing for anyone but him. 478 00:29:06,890 --> 00:29:09,970 S1: Um, the song that we began this segment with, Joy 479 00:29:09,970 --> 00:29:14,850 S1: to the world, the Lord has come. Isaac watts, of course. Uh, 480 00:29:14,930 --> 00:29:16,770 S1: tell me a little bit about this. Why do you 481 00:29:16,770 --> 00:29:18,010 S1: love that one, Barbara? 482 00:29:18,490 --> 00:29:20,970 S3: Well, I've always loved it, because it's joyful. We've been 483 00:29:20,970 --> 00:29:24,460 S3: talking a lot about joy in this program and the 484 00:29:24,620 --> 00:29:27,580 S3: we put this in the epiphany section. It's December 26th, 485 00:29:27,620 --> 00:29:31,500 S3: the day after Christmas. And the interesting thing about this 486 00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:34,660 S3: Christmas Carol is that there is no mention of Christmas 487 00:29:34,660 --> 00:29:37,940 S3: in it. There's no manger, there's no shepherds, there's no 488 00:29:37,940 --> 00:29:41,940 S3: baby Jesus. It's simply about the coming of the King. 489 00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:45,700 S3: And I think it's based on Psalm 98, the last 490 00:29:45,700 --> 00:29:49,219 S3: part of Psalm 98 that says, let the rivers clap 491 00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:52,620 S3: their hands. Let the hills sing for joy together before 492 00:29:52,620 --> 00:29:55,540 S3: the Lord. For he comes to judge the earth. He 493 00:29:55,540 --> 00:29:59,060 S3: will judge the earth with righteousness, and the peoples with equity. 494 00:29:59,420 --> 00:30:03,100 S3: So when I sing, he rules the world with truth 495 00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:06,340 S3: and grace, and makes the nations prove the glories of 496 00:30:06,340 --> 00:30:11,100 S3: his righteousness and wonders of his love, I have hope. 497 00:30:11,420 --> 00:30:15,220 S3: You know, I know that that we celebrate the birth 498 00:30:15,220 --> 00:30:17,860 S3: of the baby. But it's because that baby will one 499 00:30:17,860 --> 00:30:22,680 S3: day come and judge the world in righteousness and equity 500 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,600 S3: and justice. That brings me joy. 501 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,840 S1: You know, the other thing that I've always loved about 502 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:33,920 S1: this is the the reverse of the what is the 503 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,840 S1: word that I'm looking for? It goes down the scale. 504 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,840 S1: Da da da da da da da da. Right. The 505 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,400 S1: descending scale. Yes. And then? And then it works itself 506 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,040 S1: back up and then comes back down again. So you 507 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,960 S1: get this kind of the music gives you movement through 508 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,800 S1: it and, and kind of catapults you doesn't it. 509 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,360 S2: Yeah. Very good point. Yes. 510 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:57,920 S3: Lord. Coming down. 511 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,360 S1: Uh, so again there is there's another hymn. The they 512 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,640 S1: go into the intricacy of, you know, who Isaac Watts was, 513 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,120 S1: what his father did, a leader in this church movement. 514 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,600 S1: So if you want to find out more about the devotional, 515 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:19,780 S1: just go to Chris. Chris. Org Hosanna in Excelsis is 516 00:31:19,780 --> 00:31:21,980 S1: the title of the book Hymns and Devotions for the 517 00:31:21,980 --> 00:31:25,700 S1: Christmas Season. Now, we've talked about the oldest hymn that's 518 00:31:25,700 --> 00:31:29,700 S1: included in here. Uh, David, I want you to go 519 00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:34,100 S1: fast forward. There are people who are writing Christmas hymns 520 00:31:34,140 --> 00:31:36,820 S1: now and and other hymns for the rest of the 521 00:31:36,820 --> 00:31:39,500 S1: year as well. Uh, and you have a couple of 522 00:31:39,500 --> 00:31:40,700 S1: those included. Right? 523 00:31:40,740 --> 00:31:43,940 S2: We do, if our listeners are familiar with Keith and 524 00:31:43,940 --> 00:31:48,020 S2: Kristyn Getty and I'm sure they are, and Stuart Townend, 525 00:31:48,180 --> 00:31:51,700 S2: we have two of their wonderful Christmas hymns in here. 526 00:31:51,700 --> 00:31:55,940 S2: One is called fullness of Grace. Uh, fullness of grace 527 00:31:55,940 --> 00:32:02,220 S2: in man's human frailty. This is the wonder of Jesus. And, uh, 528 00:32:02,460 --> 00:32:07,020 S2: it's an amazing hymn that, uh, there's a quote from 529 00:32:07,020 --> 00:32:11,860 S2: Charles Spurgeon about the profoundness of the fullness of grace, 530 00:32:12,220 --> 00:32:17,219 S2: quite a paragraph that, uh, really grabs you. And then 531 00:32:17,260 --> 00:32:21,400 S2: they did one called Joy has Dawned upon the world. And, uh, 532 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,680 S2: Keith Getty says this is kind of his, uh, in 533 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:31,320 S2: Christ alone Christmas version. Uh, most people know in Christ alone. And, uh, 534 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,640 S2: joy has dawned upon the world. Is that version? 535 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,400 S1: Yes. So. So when we sing these songs, you're not 536 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,360 S1: saying you can only sing the ones that have a 537 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:48,480 S1: few hundred years behind them, right? There are real texts that. 538 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,800 S1: What is the difference, though? Because there are songs that 539 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:56,280 S1: are sung at Christmas time that have that are Christian in, 540 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:01,760 S1: in basis, but are are less weighty. Why, why what 541 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,480 S1: do what the, uh, the Gettys do and Stuart Townend do? 542 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,600 S1: Why is that so weighty to us? 543 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,920 S2: Well, first of all, they're really approaching it from a 544 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,700 S2: theological standpoint. It's not just about the emotion they feel 545 00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:23,180 S2: at Christmas, and us putting together clichés that are common 546 00:33:23,180 --> 00:33:28,380 S2: in our Christian, uh, expressions. But they have followed the 547 00:33:28,380 --> 00:33:32,500 S2: pattern of the Isaac Watts and Charles Wesley of putting 548 00:33:32,540 --> 00:33:38,220 S2: together in poetry the, uh, truths and the doctrines of 549 00:33:38,220 --> 00:33:43,860 S2: the incarnation. And then they craft melodies and harmonies that 550 00:33:43,860 --> 00:33:48,300 S2: are very singable and very much like the classic Hib, 551 00:33:48,540 --> 00:33:51,459 S2: but with a little bit of a contemporary style, or 552 00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:56,700 S2: particularly some rhythm that is a little bit more contemporary. But, uh, 553 00:33:57,220 --> 00:34:01,540 S2: we are are choosing the ones that kind of fit 554 00:34:01,540 --> 00:34:05,140 S2: together in a style of hymnody as opposed to just 555 00:34:05,420 --> 00:34:09,980 S2: worship choruses. And, uh, there's nothing wrong with those, but 556 00:34:09,980 --> 00:34:13,979 S2: we're trying to find songs that carry, as you say, 557 00:34:13,980 --> 00:34:16,310 S2: the weight of of truth. 558 00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:21,709 S1: Here's a little of Joy has dawned upon the world 559 00:34:22,150 --> 00:34:24,790 S1: by Stuart Townend, Keith and Kristyn Getty. 560 00:34:25,710 --> 00:34:34,150 S4: Joy has dawned upon the world. Promise from creation, God's 561 00:34:34,150 --> 00:34:43,070 S4: salvation now unfurled. Hope for every name. Not with fanfares 562 00:34:43,070 --> 00:34:50,670 S4: from above. Not with scenes of glory, but a humble 563 00:34:50,670 --> 00:35:05,950 S4: gift of love. Jesus, born of Mary. Sounds of wonder 564 00:35:05,950 --> 00:35:12,710 S4: fill the sky with the songs of age. As the 565 00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:20,250 S4: mighty Prince of Life shelters in a state. All hands. 566 00:35:20,250 --> 00:35:25,890 S4: That said, each star in place shaped the earth in dark. 567 00:35:27,010 --> 00:35:33,569 S4: Cling not to her mother's breast. Vulnerable and heavy. 568 00:35:35,610 --> 00:35:39,529 S1: The Getty's joy has dawned upon the world. If you 569 00:35:39,530 --> 00:35:43,009 S1: want to find out more about Hosanna in Excelsis by 570 00:35:43,050 --> 00:35:48,770 S1: David and Barbara Lehman, go to Chris Fabry lives, Chris lives. 571 00:36:07,290 --> 00:36:16,989 S7: He will talk about the How still we see thee lie. 572 00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:28,110 S7: Above thy deep and dreamless sleep. The silent stars go by. 573 00:36:29,790 --> 00:36:41,469 S7: Yet in thy dark streets shall be ever in. Thy 574 00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:50,870 S7: and fears of all the years are indeed to lie. 575 00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:55,270 S1: Thanks for joining us today for Chris Fabry live on 576 00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:58,710 S1: Moody Radio, and thank you for your support throughout this 577 00:36:58,710 --> 00:37:02,190 S1: calendar year. There have been so many who've called or 578 00:37:02,190 --> 00:37:06,069 S1: clicked through and have given so generously. We need your 579 00:37:06,070 --> 00:37:07,589 S1: help here at the end of the year, so if 580 00:37:07,590 --> 00:37:10,750 S1: you haven't given in a while or if you've never given, 581 00:37:10,750 --> 00:37:13,730 S1: this is the great time to do it, because Hosanna 582 00:37:13,730 --> 00:37:16,890 S1: in excelsis is our thank you by David and Barbara 583 00:37:16,890 --> 00:37:19,330 S1: Lehman will send it to you. This is one of 584 00:37:19,330 --> 00:37:23,090 S1: those legacy books that you're going to keep year after 585 00:37:23,090 --> 00:37:27,410 S1: year and come back to. So call 86695. Favor give 586 00:37:27,410 --> 00:37:30,210 S1: a gift of any size here at the end of 587 00:37:30,210 --> 00:37:40,490 S1: the year. Uh (866) 953-2279 or just go to the website. Barbara, 588 00:37:40,489 --> 00:37:43,290 S1: this is one of my favorites. O little town of Bethlehem. 589 00:37:43,290 --> 00:37:47,129 S1: The words and the music are just perfect together. Tell 590 00:37:47,130 --> 00:37:48,490 S1: us more about this hymn. 591 00:37:48,890 --> 00:37:51,170 S3: Well, it's one of my favorites too, and I'd like 592 00:37:51,170 --> 00:37:53,009 S3: to start just a little bit by telling you about 593 00:37:53,010 --> 00:37:55,890 S3: the man who wrote it. Phillips Brooks was called by 594 00:37:55,890 --> 00:37:58,890 S3: some the greatest preacher of the 19th century, went to Harvard. 595 00:37:59,090 --> 00:38:02,850 S3: There's a Phillips Brooks at Harvard supposedly named for him. 596 00:38:03,250 --> 00:38:05,609 S3: But the most interesting thing I find here is that 597 00:38:05,610 --> 00:38:08,450 S3: he wrote this Carol for children. Many of our carols 598 00:38:08,489 --> 00:38:10,950 S3: and hymns that we sing, we don't realize that we're 599 00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:14,469 S3: first written for children in Sunday school and kind of 600 00:38:14,510 --> 00:38:17,830 S3: telling the story. And like so many, um, things for children, 601 00:38:17,830 --> 00:38:21,790 S3: he's he's painting the picture of the Christmas story, and 602 00:38:21,790 --> 00:38:25,910 S3: many carols start that way. But then, interestingly, they always 603 00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:30,669 S3: end or often end within a personal response to what 604 00:38:30,670 --> 00:38:34,430 S3: they've seen a child. And so it ends with, um, 605 00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:39,230 S3: Holy Child of Bethlehem, descend to us, we pray, cast 606 00:38:39,230 --> 00:38:42,190 S3: out our sin and enter in, be born in us today. 607 00:38:43,070 --> 00:38:45,669 S3: This is one of the few carols I think were 608 00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:49,630 S3: the words and the music were written at the same time. 609 00:38:49,630 --> 00:38:52,150 S3: So many of our carols are written by the words, 610 00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:55,270 S3: and the music are written by different people in different countries, 611 00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:58,270 S3: even in different centuries. And we don't really know where 612 00:38:58,270 --> 00:39:02,070 S3: the name Saint Louis comes from, except that the name 613 00:39:02,070 --> 00:39:05,189 S3: of the man who wrote its name was Louis. So 614 00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:07,029 S3: some think people think that it was just sort of 615 00:39:07,070 --> 00:39:09,090 S3: a wordplay, a kind of a joke of Joker Phillip 616 00:39:09,090 --> 00:39:12,770 S3: Brooks to say that name the tune Saint Louis after his, uh, 617 00:39:13,050 --> 00:39:15,930 S3: his organist and friend who wrote the text or excuse me, 618 00:39:15,969 --> 00:39:17,410 S3: wrote the music for it. 619 00:39:17,410 --> 00:39:21,650 S1: There is so much in here. One of my favorites is, uh, 620 00:39:21,690 --> 00:39:25,730 S1: come thou long expected. Jesus, I love Hyfrydol. I love 621 00:39:25,730 --> 00:39:28,810 S1: that tune. And so there are several hymns that you 622 00:39:28,810 --> 00:39:32,650 S1: could sing to that same tune. But I love this. 623 00:39:32,650 --> 00:39:36,969 S1: This longing, this deep desire of every nation, you know, uh, 624 00:39:36,969 --> 00:39:40,969 S1: joy of every longing heart. There is this longing that 625 00:39:40,969 --> 00:39:44,090 S1: we have for something that we don't have right now 626 00:39:44,130 --> 00:39:48,330 S1: that will never be fulfilled with earthly things. David, you 627 00:39:48,330 --> 00:39:49,090 S1: agree with that? 628 00:39:49,450 --> 00:39:54,050 S2: Oh, I do, and interestingly, the advent is seen in 629 00:39:54,290 --> 00:39:58,090 S2: a couple of ways. First, of course, the advent of 630 00:39:58,130 --> 00:40:02,170 S2: Christ's first return to earth. But we have another advent 631 00:40:02,170 --> 00:40:06,090 S2: which is looking for his second return that is expressed 632 00:40:06,090 --> 00:40:09,860 S2: in this. He's still a long expected Jesus and we 633 00:40:09,940 --> 00:40:12,940 S2: we can't wait for him to return today. 634 00:40:13,580 --> 00:40:15,940 S1: Is that true in your lives? You've been married 50 635 00:40:15,940 --> 00:40:21,020 S1: years and you've never had any problems, and no struggles 636 00:40:21,020 --> 00:40:24,460 S1: in those 50 years? Is that is that the desire 637 00:40:24,460 --> 00:40:27,900 S1: of your heart to to know Christ and to be 638 00:40:27,900 --> 00:40:29,580 S1: with him? Barbara. 639 00:40:29,860 --> 00:40:33,299 S3: Oh, absolutely. You know, the older that one becomes, the 640 00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:37,540 S3: more of a reality that becomes. Uh, because you realize 641 00:40:37,540 --> 00:40:38,380 S3: it's closer. 642 00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:39,100 S1: Yes. 643 00:40:39,260 --> 00:40:43,540 S3: And that longing and that, uh, that that when you're 644 00:40:43,540 --> 00:40:47,260 S3: younger is. And it's new, it's a longing. But somehow, 645 00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:51,460 S3: after years and years of living with Christ, I think 646 00:40:51,460 --> 00:40:54,300 S3: that longing only becomes greater. And I think that's why 647 00:40:54,300 --> 00:40:56,299 S3: when we sing, like you said, I come, thou long 648 00:40:56,340 --> 00:41:00,100 S3: expected Jesus. Dave says we're waiting for a second advent. 649 00:41:00,660 --> 00:41:03,259 S1: There's. There are other hymns. Uh, let me just go 650 00:41:03,260 --> 00:41:06,180 S1: through some of them, in case you're wondering. Comfort, comfort. Now, 651 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,680 S1: my people. On Jordan's bank, the Baptist's cry, which may 652 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,200 S1: be something that people say. I've never heard that before. 653 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,200 S1: For ages, women hoped and prayed as another hymn, O come, 654 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,400 S1: O come, Emmanuel. Of course. Angels from the realms of glory. 655 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,240 S1: What is a hymn, David? In? Hear that people will 656 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,160 S1: say I. I've never heard this before. 657 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:33,960 S2: Well, uh, we're shepherds lately. Knelt. Uh, if you're a Lutheran, 658 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:39,000 S2: you might know it. But it is a wonderful text 659 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,040 S2: that takes us into the role of the shepherd. Into 660 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,200 S2: the sandals, if you will, of the shepherds. And I think, uh, 661 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,800 S2: people would absolutely love that. And, um, thou wast rich 662 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,279 S2: beyond all splendour, which has a story background of a 663 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:59,440 S2: missionary family who were, uh, martyred in China. And, uh, 664 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,680 S2: the head of their mission, uh, went there to, to 665 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,819 S2: find them. And he ends up writing this Carol. Thou 666 00:42:06,820 --> 00:42:11,620 S2: wast rich beyond all splendour. So when you get the 667 00:42:11,620 --> 00:42:15,620 S2: back stories, for instance, most people are familiar with O 668 00:42:15,660 --> 00:42:19,939 S2: Holy Night. O Holy Night was not written by what 669 00:42:19,940 --> 00:42:24,660 S2: we would call evangelical Christians. It was written by a 670 00:42:25,060 --> 00:42:30,859 S2: non-believing Jewish, uh, socialist who had just been asked to 671 00:42:30,900 --> 00:42:35,380 S2: write a poem for Christmas. The one who wrote the 672 00:42:35,380 --> 00:42:41,660 S2: music had no faith whatsoever. And the man who translated 673 00:42:41,660 --> 00:42:45,340 S2: it from French into English that we know was a 674 00:42:45,340 --> 00:42:50,260 S2: Unitarian minister. It was had such a strange beginning that 675 00:42:50,260 --> 00:42:54,219 S2: the true French church forbid it from being sung in 676 00:42:54,260 --> 00:43:00,779 S2: their churches because of this background. But somehow God continued 677 00:43:00,780 --> 00:43:03,540 S2: to bring it out and use it. And if you 678 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,839 S2: read it today, you'd have no idea that it came 679 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,880 S2: from that kind of a source. Yes, but it speaks 680 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:16,560 S2: against slavery. And, uh, mostly it speaks about worship falling 681 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,400 S2: on your knees and declaring Christ as Lord. 682 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,920 S1: Isn't that to learn some of the stories behind these? 683 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,319 S1: We sing them every year. I want to go back 684 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:32,120 S1: to thou who wast rich beyond all splendour. Frank Houghton, 685 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,760 S1: anybody who knows Moody Bible Institute has been there knows 686 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:42,160 S1: Houghton Hall. Frank was a missionary and author, educated in London. 687 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:47,040 S1: But the story about the the communist Red Army had 688 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:51,360 S1: been making it difficult for missionaries, and one young couple, 689 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,040 S1: John and Betty Stam, had been killed by the Red Army. 690 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,960 S1: Their their little infant child survived and was smuggled out. 691 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,779 S1: And the biography of Elizabeth Eliot that I have been 692 00:44:04,780 --> 00:44:09,259 S1: reading the last few weeks and months. Included a a 693 00:44:09,380 --> 00:44:14,259 S1: visit of Betty to Elizabeth's home. She came in. Elizabeth 694 00:44:14,580 --> 00:44:17,900 S1: knew her. So, you know the richness of of her 695 00:44:17,900 --> 00:44:22,660 S1: story and and the five martyrs. So put that all 696 00:44:22,660 --> 00:44:27,300 S1: into the frame of this hymn by Frank Houghton. Thou 697 00:44:27,340 --> 00:44:32,739 S1: who wast rich beyond all splendour. All for love's sake 698 00:44:32,780 --> 00:44:39,900 S1: became poor. Thrones for a manger didst surrender. Sapphire paved 699 00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:46,180 S1: courts for stable floor. Thou who art God beyond all praising. 700 00:44:46,180 --> 00:44:50,740 S1: All for love's sake. Became a man stooping so low. 701 00:44:51,420 --> 00:44:56,979 S1: But sinners raising heaven upward. By thine eternal plan. And 702 00:44:56,980 --> 00:44:59,700 S1: then it goes on from there. Thou who hast rich 703 00:44:59,940 --> 00:45:05,750 S1: in all splendour, all for love's sake became most poor. Uh. 704 00:45:05,790 --> 00:45:09,549 S1: All for love's sake became mist man. And then in 705 00:45:09,550 --> 00:45:12,470 S1: the end it says. Saviour and King, we worship thee. 706 00:45:12,910 --> 00:45:15,950 S1: That is. That's a great way to end our conversation 707 00:45:15,950 --> 00:45:20,230 S1: here today. David and Barbara, I can't thank you enough 708 00:45:20,670 --> 00:45:23,310 S1: for not only spending the time and putting this all 709 00:45:23,350 --> 00:45:27,270 S1: together and spending the time here with us, but calling 710 00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:30,750 S1: us to something more, as you said, Barbara, to. No 711 00:45:30,750 --> 00:45:34,510 S1: matter whether we keep tune or time with this, to 712 00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:37,270 S1: sing it from the heart in praise to God. That's 713 00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:38,590 S1: what it's about, isn't it? 714 00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:42,710 S2: It is. And if I may just add, how grateful 715 00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:45,790 S2: we are for Moody Publishing to have the vision to 716 00:45:46,190 --> 00:45:49,509 S2: publish this book. And we're just very grateful. And in 717 00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:52,029 S2: a way, we can't take the credit because there's 43 718 00:45:52,030 --> 00:45:56,350 S2: other authors that share the book with us, these hymn writers. 719 00:45:56,469 --> 00:46:01,170 S1: Isn't that great, Barbara? God bless you. Merry Christmas, happy 720 00:46:01,170 --> 00:46:02,930 S1: anniversary at the same time. 721 00:46:03,850 --> 00:46:06,170 S3: Thank you. Thank you so much for this time. We 722 00:46:06,170 --> 00:46:07,250 S3: really enjoyed it. 723 00:46:07,489 --> 00:46:10,770 S1: If you go to the website Chris org, you'll see 724 00:46:10,770 --> 00:46:14,210 S1: how you can get a copy of this book. Hosanna 725 00:46:14,210 --> 00:46:17,089 S1: in excelsis. Give a gift of any size. 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