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S5: Well. Boom. Crew. Uh, we here at Carl and Crew

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S5: AI is everywhere. It is everywhere. And I want to

443
00:24:30,730 --> 00:24:34,570
S5: prove it to you. This is almost crazy. Give us

444
00:24:34,570 --> 00:24:36,010
S5: a shot of this young thunder.

445
00:24:36,050 --> 00:24:40,770
S8: I've been running hard. Feet on fire. Dreams and duty.

446
00:24:40,770 --> 00:24:45,330
S8: Tangled in wire. But when my strength starts slipping away.

447
00:24:45,450 --> 00:24:51,929
S8: I still hear your voice saying. Don't grow weary in

448
00:24:51,930 --> 00:24:57,330
S8: well doing. With those problems off your chest. Cast your

449
00:24:57,369 --> 00:25:04,290
S8: cares on my shoulders. And I'll give you rest. I'll

450
00:25:04,850 --> 00:25:06,129
S8: give you rest.

451
00:25:06,290 --> 00:25:10,450
S5: Alright. You love that artist. I kind of do too.

452
00:25:10,490 --> 00:25:11,369
S2: Sounds good to me.

453
00:25:11,570 --> 00:25:11,929
S3: Wow.

454
00:25:12,210 --> 00:25:13,450
S5: Until you realize.

455
00:25:13,690 --> 00:25:14,170
S4: That's.

456
00:25:14,330 --> 00:25:15,210
S5: He ain't real.

457
00:25:16,250 --> 00:25:17,770
S2: Not a voice in there is real.

458
00:25:17,930 --> 00:25:21,369
S5: It's an AI generated Christian tune that is topping charts

459
00:25:21,369 --> 00:25:21,929
S5: right now.

460
00:25:22,050 --> 00:25:24,490
S3: Yeah. I mean, this is a this is a very

461
00:25:24,490 --> 00:25:29,670
S3: unique take on this, on the use of AI. Solomon Ray,

462
00:25:29,710 --> 00:25:33,830
S3: who is not a real person. It's an AI, crafted

463
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:37,950
S3: his persona, his voice, his performance style, the lyrics. It's

464
00:25:37,950 --> 00:25:38,709
S3: all AI.

465
00:25:39,390 --> 00:25:43,469
S5: Yeah. Who gets the proceeds from Solomon? All right. We

466
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:47,949
S5: got so many questions. Doctor drew Dickens, is that even right?

467
00:25:48,190 --> 00:25:49,429
S5: Is that even right?

468
00:25:49,950 --> 00:25:52,150
S9: What a great. What a great question. Who gets the

469
00:25:52,510 --> 00:25:55,230
S9: who gets the commission off that deal? Right. Yeah.

470
00:25:55,270 --> 00:25:57,270
S5: And who's making bank?

471
00:25:57,630 --> 00:26:00,710
S9: There's actually well, there's several now, but maybe a month

472
00:26:00,710 --> 00:26:04,470
S9: ago there was an artist signed by, I think, Ccaea, uh,

473
00:26:05,470 --> 00:26:09,590
S9: an actress who's all AI. And that was the first

474
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:14,710
S9: and it was multi-million dollar contract and she she it

475
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:17,790
S9: I'm doing air quotes here. Um, doesn't exist. And so

476
00:26:17,790 --> 00:26:20,830
S9: I was wondering the same thing, you know, when, when

477
00:26:20,869 --> 00:26:23,950
S9: it does a movie or something, who gets the, you know,

478
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:26,750
S9: how does that contract work? So it's just some kid

479
00:26:26,750 --> 00:26:30,250
S9: on a couch who created an image of a of

480
00:26:30,290 --> 00:26:34,250
S9: a young woman that's now an actress. And, uh, so

481
00:26:34,250 --> 00:26:35,770
S9: how does that how does that play out?

482
00:26:35,810 --> 00:26:39,130
S3: Doctor Drew Dickens, our guest this morning. He's a visionary leader.

483
00:26:39,130 --> 00:26:43,490
S3: He is our a resident AI expert. You know, the

484
00:26:44,090 --> 00:26:47,409
S3: when we talk about the use of AI, it coming

485
00:26:47,410 --> 00:26:53,409
S3: into the space of Christian music feels especially invasive almost because,

486
00:26:53,609 --> 00:26:57,650
S3: I mean, can you worship to something that is created

487
00:26:57,650 --> 00:27:01,490
S3: by something with no soul? I mean, that's been kind

488
00:27:01,490 --> 00:27:04,810
S3: of the debate some Christian artists have weighed in. What

489
00:27:04,850 --> 00:27:06,609
S3: do you what do you say on this? I mean,

490
00:27:06,650 --> 00:27:09,970
S3: what are the ethics behind the creation of Christian music

491
00:27:09,970 --> 00:27:11,850
S3: or other Christian content?

492
00:27:12,410 --> 00:27:19,409
S9: You know, I immediately go to, uh, y'all aren't old enough, but, um, Dylan, uh,

493
00:27:19,410 --> 00:27:22,129
S9: when he played electric guitar for the first time at

494
00:27:22,130 --> 00:27:25,170
S9: the Newport Folk Festival. Now we're going back, you know,

495
00:27:25,210 --> 00:27:28,990
S9: 60 years now. But but oh my gosh that exploded

496
00:27:28,990 --> 00:27:32,030
S9: because it when you play jazz, it's only supposed to

497
00:27:32,030 --> 00:27:34,310
S9: be on an acoustic guitar. And he was playing it

498
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:37,469
S9: on electric and everybody went nuts on that. I'm thinking

499
00:27:37,470 --> 00:27:41,869
S9: back the first time a synthetic A synthesizer was used

500
00:27:42,390 --> 00:27:47,670
S9: in church. Uh, what if if someone's. Well, we've got

501
00:27:47,670 --> 00:27:51,670
S9: autotune now, so if I'm standing in for the congregation,

502
00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:54,990
S9: I can't sing flat or sharp because Auto-Tune will correct

503
00:27:54,990 --> 00:27:58,790
S9: my voice. Um, you know, the pastor may have his

504
00:27:58,830 --> 00:28:02,230
S9: his or her mic. Uh eq'd. At a certain to

505
00:28:02,270 --> 00:28:06,750
S9: make a certain sound. It sounds more full or whatever. So, man,

506
00:28:06,990 --> 00:28:09,590
S9: it's such a it's such a fuzzy line because we're

507
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:16,830
S9: already doing that. We're already creating sounds and impressions, um,

508
00:28:16,910 --> 00:28:22,310
S9: within a worship, you know, environment that isn't real. And

509
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:26,890
S9: yet people's the spirit can use that to, impact our lives.

510
00:28:26,890 --> 00:28:28,609
S9: So it's a it's a fuzzy line.

511
00:28:28,930 --> 00:28:32,369
S5: Does this fall into all truth is God's truth? I mean,

512
00:28:32,730 --> 00:28:34,610
S5: is is that part of it here?

513
00:28:34,930 --> 00:28:38,650
S9: All things created by him and for him to his glory. Um,

514
00:28:38,690 --> 00:28:43,050
S9: I think what what really gets me about the song. Um,

515
00:28:43,090 --> 00:28:48,690
S9: Solomon Ray it whatever is it wasn't made clear up

516
00:28:48,690 --> 00:28:52,050
S9: front that that's what it was. Uh, so I think

517
00:28:52,050 --> 00:28:55,170
S9: the key on this is transparency is just not taking

518
00:28:55,170 --> 00:28:59,090
S9: credit for something. Uh, you know, being upfront, uh, that,

519
00:28:59,130 --> 00:29:01,490
S9: you know, this mic is eq'd for this or I'm

520
00:29:01,490 --> 00:29:05,570
S9: using Auto-Tune for that, or I used AI for this

521
00:29:05,570 --> 00:29:08,690
S9: lyric or whatever. It's just being transparent and upfront about

522
00:29:08,690 --> 00:29:11,530
S9: our use of these tools. We don't shy away from

523
00:29:11,530 --> 00:29:15,210
S9: using a synthesizer, you know, or an electric guitar during

524
00:29:15,210 --> 00:29:18,690
S9: during church service. That's what we're using. It's a tool. Um,

525
00:29:18,690 --> 00:29:21,650
S9: but so the word I think during the last break

526
00:29:21,690 --> 00:29:24,870
S9: you used, you didn't use, but I kept kept resonating

527
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:27,910
S9: with me is betrayal is if you didn't tell me

528
00:29:27,910 --> 00:29:31,030
S9: that up front, I feel betrayed when I find out.

529
00:29:31,030 --> 00:29:33,510
S9: And so to avoid that by just being honest, I

530
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:36,190
S9: love that you guys are are trying to navigate your

531
00:29:36,190 --> 00:29:41,590
S9: way through ethical AI guidelines for Moody boy. Good for you,

532
00:29:41,790 --> 00:29:44,230
S9: good for you. Churches should be doing this. So good

533
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:47,150
S9: for you for trying. Um, so I think just being

534
00:29:47,150 --> 00:29:50,190
S9: upfront and honest about our use of it helps some

535
00:29:50,190 --> 00:29:50,790
S9: of this.

536
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:53,790
S3: Doctor Drew Dickens, our guest right now, coming up, let's

537
00:29:53,790 --> 00:29:56,910
S3: talk about ethics for our personal use of AI. You're

538
00:29:56,950 --> 00:30:00,590
S3: maybe you're not creating music, but can AI write the

539
00:30:00,630 --> 00:30:03,950
S3: email response that you've been struggling with? How do I

540
00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:06,550
S3: word this? This is kind of tricky. Can AI help

541
00:30:06,550 --> 00:30:09,030
S3: you there? What if you have a stance of I

542
00:30:09,030 --> 00:30:11,070
S3: don't want to touch it. I don't even want to

543
00:30:11,070 --> 00:30:12,390
S3: go near that stuff.

544
00:30:12,430 --> 00:30:13,110
S5: It's touching.

545
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:13,469
S7: You.

546
00:30:14,030 --> 00:30:17,430
S3: Oh, it is more with our special guest, Doctor Drew Dickens,

547
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:18,030
S3: coming up.

548
00:30:18,030 --> 00:30:19,950
S2: Hey, it's Young Thunder. I wanted to take a quick

549
00:30:19,950 --> 00:30:22,150
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550
00:30:22,150 --> 00:30:25,760
S2: a live radio show. You can hear us Monday through Friday,

551
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552
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,880
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553
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S2: details for your listening area. All right, back to the show.

554
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S1: Take your next step with Jesus today. You're listening to

555
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,200
S1: Carl and crew.

556
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,120
S3: I recently put a prompt into ChatGPT that went something

557
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:49,200
S3: like this. Help me help my son who loves video games,

558
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,280
S3: develop some other hobbies and interests inside the house. Can

559
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,760
S3: you develop a quiz for me that's appropriate for a

560
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,480
S3: 13 year old boy that might help him find other

561
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:07,120
S3: hobbies hobbies i.e. cooking, 3D printing, etc.? Coolest thing ever

562
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,560
S3: came up with an entire quiz that's age appropriate. That's

563
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,320
S3: going to help him get some new hobbies. Doctor Drew

564
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:18,240
S3: Dickens There are many, many fascinating ways to use AI,

565
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,239
S3: but many people struggle still with the ethics of it.

566
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,220
S3: Can I help write an email? Can. What's the boundary

567
00:31:25,220 --> 00:31:27,500
S3: line when it comes to work that I'm doing, that

568
00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:30,140
S3: is my name on it. But now I have some

569
00:31:30,140 --> 00:31:32,700
S3: AI help. What is a good framework?

570
00:31:32,940 --> 00:31:34,580
S9: You know what I loved about that prompt you just

571
00:31:34,620 --> 00:31:38,380
S9: read is the phrase help me help. Um, I loved

572
00:31:38,380 --> 00:31:42,460
S9: her going into that prompt with, um, I'm stuck. So

573
00:31:42,460 --> 00:31:45,140
S9: help me see beyond this. So it's kind of a

574
00:31:45,140 --> 00:31:48,540
S9: creative muse a bit. Um, so I loved even just

575
00:31:48,540 --> 00:31:52,540
S9: the heart behind it. Uh, it's interesting. It's generational. My generation.

576
00:31:52,540 --> 00:31:55,740
S9: I'm 65. Uh, we tend to use it more as

577
00:31:55,740 --> 00:31:58,300
S9: a Google replacement. How many quarts in a gallon? What's

578
00:31:58,300 --> 00:32:01,140
S9: the weather today? That kind of thing. But the younger

579
00:32:01,140 --> 00:32:04,180
S9: it gets, it becomes. And Carl, you mentioned it earlier.

580
00:32:04,180 --> 00:32:07,740
S9: It becomes a companion. Uh, the number one use case

581
00:32:07,740 --> 00:32:12,740
S9: for younger generation is, uh, personal therapy. That makes my

582
00:32:12,740 --> 00:32:15,220
S9: toes curl. Just. I've got so much fear around. I'm

583
00:32:15,220 --> 00:32:16,900
S9: not a person. I try not to be a person

584
00:32:16,940 --> 00:32:19,900
S9: of fear, but that really concerns me. Um, so I,

585
00:32:20,380 --> 00:32:22,080
S9: as we talked about in the last break, I think

586
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:27,280
S9: it really comes back to transparency, honesty and and sharing

587
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,920
S9: that in community. You know, for her telling her son, hey,

588
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,120
S9: I went to AI and asked it to help me

589
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,880
S9: help you do this. And here's the quiz I think

590
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,520
S9: is a lot more ethical than giving the impression that

591
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,760
S9: I did all this work on my own. Um, and

592
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,320
S9: to the to the email issue, uh, we use Grammarly.

593
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,240
S9: We have spell check on our computers, and that's kind

594
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,920
S9: of helping us along the way. Right? So just be

595
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,360
S9: upfront about about our use of it.

596
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,360
S5: Yeah. You're talking prompts. And the one thing that I've

597
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:01,280
S5: really gained from you, drew is that you can prompt even.

598
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,880
S5: Let's just take Ali's thing about the quiz. And I

599
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,480
S5: love that, by the way. And I go way beyond

600
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,120
S5: how many quarts in a gallon. And, and I've been

601
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,280
S5: doing prompts, but my I get so directive that I'll say,

602
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,080
S5: I want you to tap and then I'll give certain

603
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:23,140
S5: theologians that I respect to query and answer to this prompt.

604
00:33:23,540 --> 00:33:26,660
S5: How important is it to make sure that when we're

605
00:33:26,660 --> 00:33:30,540
S5: prompting AI that we're actually helping it spit out a

606
00:33:30,540 --> 00:33:31,900
S5: Christian worldview?

607
00:33:32,220 --> 00:33:34,260
S9: Yeah. Um, and by the way, Ali, was that your

608
00:33:34,260 --> 00:33:36,300
S9: prompt or some something that someone else said?

609
00:33:36,340 --> 00:33:37,700
S3: No, that was my prompt.

610
00:33:37,740 --> 00:33:41,060
S9: Oh my gosh. Oh, I'm complimenting this other person. But

611
00:33:41,060 --> 00:33:44,260
S9: it was you. Great. Great job on that. Great. Great

612
00:33:44,260 --> 00:33:47,100
S9: job on that. Thanks. Well done, well done. And I

613
00:33:47,100 --> 00:33:49,340
S9: just had AI write that compliment to you.

614
00:33:51,580 --> 00:33:51,820
S7: Oh.

615
00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:53,700
S3: Now, now I'm just not sure.

616
00:33:54,020 --> 00:33:56,580
S9: I'm just reading what AI said to tell her. Good

617
00:33:56,580 --> 00:34:01,860
S9: job boy. Uh, the more you put into a prompt, uh, the.

618
00:34:02,180 --> 00:34:04,500
S9: I love what you said in the beginning. Junk in,

619
00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:07,340
S9: junk out. Right. So, uh, I think the more effort

620
00:34:07,340 --> 00:34:11,460
S9: you put into, uh, prompting and prompting it, the better.

621
00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:15,379
S9: My son actually is creating an AI mobile app right

622
00:34:15,380 --> 00:34:20,560
S9: now that that asks those questions. What would Spurgeon think

623
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,799
S9: about this or what would. Right. And so the better

624
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,919
S9: you can give it that framework instead of just saying, uh,

625
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,839
S9: is this good or bad or should I do this

626
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,799
S9: or that? But, you know, ask in context of Orthodox

627
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,359
S9: Christianity as understood by these or that kind of thing. So,

628
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,759
S9: so the more context you can give it not to

629
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,400
S9: get too much in the weeds, but every one of

630
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:47,600
S9: these language models has, uh, projects on them where you

631
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,680
S9: can fine tune, uh, conversations. So you don't have to

632
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,960
S9: prompt that every time. But I can open up a

633
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:59,600
S9: project within ChatGPT or Claude or, uh, Gemini and say,

634
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,560
S9: from now on, when we have this conversation, answer me

635
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,680
S9: as if that's my favorite phrase in prompting is answer

636
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,040
S9: me as if you are this or that. Uh, that

637
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,480
S9: kind of thing helps you stay within that orthodox Christian worldview.

638
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,500
S5: Love it. Well, speaking of staying in that worldview, I've

639
00:35:17,540 --> 00:35:21,340
S5: invited you, Dickens, in to our T7, our power pack.

640
00:35:21,340 --> 00:35:24,060
S5: Seven resolutions, power pack. It's going to be an intensive

641
00:35:24,060 --> 00:35:27,299
S5: on Saturday. We've got nearly a thousand people already signed

642
00:35:27,300 --> 00:35:28,700
S5: up to be there, and we're going to give you

643
00:35:28,739 --> 00:35:30,500
S5: details on that in a moment. But Drew's going to

644
00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:33,380
S5: be a part of this, and we're pushing the boundaries

645
00:35:33,380 --> 00:35:36,700
S5: of something really exciting here. I came to you, drew,

646
00:35:36,700 --> 00:35:38,940
S5: and I asked you, could you would it be possible

647
00:35:38,940 --> 00:35:42,140
S5: for you to come up with prompts that helps personalize

648
00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:46,780
S5: a discipleship strategy totally crafted toward that person who's dealing

649
00:35:46,780 --> 00:35:49,859
S5: with one thing that's holding them back from everything that

650
00:35:49,860 --> 00:35:55,020
S5: God would have anchored in one of seven resolutions. And

651
00:35:55,020 --> 00:35:57,780
S5: you said, we can do it. You've already worked it up.

652
00:35:57,780 --> 00:36:02,700
S5: I've I've actually utilized this. What do people need to

653
00:36:02,739 --> 00:36:05,900
S5: not be freaked out about? Because right there you could go,

654
00:36:05,940 --> 00:36:08,380
S5: you've got to be kidding me. We're going to utilize

655
00:36:08,420 --> 00:36:11,259
S5: AI as a tool to apply these truths at the

656
00:36:11,260 --> 00:36:14,100
S5: end of this, uh, power pack that we're having. Yeah. Drew,

657
00:36:14,140 --> 00:36:16,280
S5: you're going to be there. Tell us about it.

658
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,080
S9: I'm so honored and thrilled. Thanks for inviting me to

659
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,680
S9: be a part of this. You and I have worked

660
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,359
S9: back and forth on on this just T11r is going

661
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,520
S9: to be an incredible time. If you haven't signed up,

662
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,319
S9: please do so. One of the early takeaways in the

663
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S9: conversation is going to be a document that you can

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S9: download for free and have access to these prompts, literally,

665
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S9: and all the instructions are already on the document. When

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S9: you download it is just literally copy and paste this into.

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S9: And I even have links to various language models you

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S9: can try this with and you can customize it. So

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S9: a couple of things that we're doing is right up front.

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S9: We're saying this is what's going on. It is AI.

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S9: So you're going to know right up front it's AI.

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S9: And there are blocks of text that you can customize.

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S9: So instead of just saying some general question or a

674
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S9: prompt about this or that on a resolution, you can

675
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S9: type in the specifics. This is the area I'm struggling

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S9: with right now. So given that context, you know, what

677
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S9: are some ideas on a Bible study? What are some

678
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S9: ideas on some verses I might go to, and how

679
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S9: to adapt this resolution to what I'm going through. So

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00:37:19,060 --> 00:37:22,100
S9: we're being transparent up front. All the links are there.

681
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S9: You can just copy and paste this right into it,

682
00:37:24,580 --> 00:37:27,580
S9: and it's just going to be really easy and easy

683
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S9: way to to step into this.

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S5: I am so thrilled about this.

685
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S3: And as Carl mentioned, there are close to a thousand

686
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S3: of you already signed up to be a part of this.

687
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S3: This is going to be this Saturday morning starting at

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S3: 9 a.m. central time. If you've got a couple of

689
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S3: hours and can take part in this, maybe you're someone

690
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S3: who has written off some habits as unwinnable or you're man,

691
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S3: you're into January, but you already feel like you've fallen

692
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S3: off the wagon on whatever your resolve was at on

693
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S3: January 1st. Be a part of this text power. We'll

694
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S3: get you the registration link. Still time to sign up.

695
00:37:58,260 --> 00:38:04,540
S3: Text power to 800 555 7898. Hosted by Carl with

696
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S3: a special guest appearance by Doctor Drew Dickens. Who you're

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S3: hearing right now. Just text power to 800 555 7898.

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S5: Yeah, this is awesome. And the goal here in this

699
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S5: webinar is to tap God's power and to say no

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S5: to self-help. And your prompts are geared that way in 30s.

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S5: Give us what your hope is here, drew.

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S9: My hope is for those that already feel like they're

703
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S9: behind this year, behind in their walk with the Lord

704
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S9: behind an AI. Uh, what a great opportunity on this

705
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S9: webinar to catch up, to acknowledge that and have baby

706
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S9: steps on getting back in, getting back into a walk

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S9: with Christ. Um, and AI can help us, you know,

708
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,920
S9: prompt that upfront. Here's some questions that you can ask

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S9: AI to to help you get back into that rhythm. Uh,

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S9: I love that a thousand. I hope 1001 now, of

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S9: people that are already hearing about this and signing up

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S9: for it. It's going to be a really easy way

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S9: to step into this, around this conversation and and give

714
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S9: people hope of walking hand in hand with the spirit.

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S5: We'd love to see you there. Boom crew. And it's

716
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S5: going to be a powerful time. Uh, text the word

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S5: power to Powered 800 555 7898. There is no cost

718
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S5: to get to this thing at all. If you can

719
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S5: get your hands on the seven resolutions and read the

720
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S5: first three chapters, that would help, but it's not required.

721
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S5: Text power to 800 555 7898. And we're hitting some

722
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S5: new territory with this alley.

723
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S3: We are, and worth mentioning, although he said I'd love

724
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S3: to see you Saturday. We won't actually see you because

725
00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:39,260
S3: you don't have a camera on. This is a webinar.

726
00:39:39,300 --> 00:39:41,740
S3: Take it in in your pajamas if you like. Text

727
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S3: power to 800 555 7898. We'll get you signed up.

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S1: Your shot of hope to help you through the day.

729
00:39:49,940 --> 00:39:53,060
S1: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

730
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S5: You never want to slap a verse on someone, but

731
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S5: sometimes people need truth to help them understand the goodness

732
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S5: and the power of God in any given situation. Is

733
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S5: that fair, guys?

734
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S10: Always. Absolutely. Yeah.

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S5: Yeah. As a pastor, I've had heartbreaking situations. I'm going

736
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S5: to take you to one probably 20 years ago now,

737
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S5: but absolutely devastating. Uh, my assistant Debbie, at that time, uh,

738
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S5: came into my office. She says, hey, I've, we've got

739
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S5: a woman that came in and she's utterly devastated, and

740
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S5: she can't even explain what's going on. But she needs

741
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S5: a moment with you if you have it. And I said, well, uh,

742
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S5: bring her in, and why don't you stay with me?

743
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S5: And here, Deb, one of the commitments that I had

744
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S5: as a young man, Hugh Salisbury, the silver fox man,

745
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S5: you remember, I talk about Hugh every now and then.

746
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S5: Hugh was a great spiritual mentor for me. And he said,

747
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S5: you know, the biblical model is women invest in women,

748
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S5: men invest in in men. And he said, just make

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S5: sure that if you're in a really tough kind of

750
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S5: counseling situation or someone's really in in bad shape, try

751
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S5: to have a good, godly woman in that room. It's

752
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S5: oftentimes where a person needs to share with a pastor

753
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S5: someone that they have a trusted relationship with, although it

754
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S5: be from afar listening on Sundays that they feel like

755
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S5: I've got to share with this person. So she came

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S5: in the office and Debbie was sitting there, and I

757
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S5: asked her for permission to keep Debbie there. She said absolutely,

758
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S5: and she could barely speak through her tears. It was

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S5: one of those. And she began to pour out her

760
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S5: heart that she had just caught her husband in an affair,

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S5: and he did not know that he had been caught,

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S5: and she was absolutely crushed. You know what was sweet

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S5: in that moment is that it was Debbie, not me,

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S5: I told her how broken my heart was for her,

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S5: but Debbie began to pray over her. After a good

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S5: length of time, hearing the story, how she found out

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S5: what we were going to do, and coming up with

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S5: a strategy for what has to happen next, and that

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S5: was confronting this thing head on. Because you can't skirt

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S5: those issues. You got to go straight after them. Debbie

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S5: spoke some words over her that helped her understand the

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S5: goodness and power of God, and she even said, now

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S5: this verse won't mean anything to you. I forget the

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S5: verse that she even used at that time. This, this.

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S5: I don't want you to hear this verse or try

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S5: to memorize it, but I'm going to speak this verse

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S5: over you and with the speaking of that verse over her,

779
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S5: and then praying it into her by praying it over her.

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S5: There was at least a modicum of peace that came

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S5: over this woman's heart. It was a powerful thing. Knowing

782
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S5: the truth of God is one thing. Knowing the truth

783
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S5: of God. When you hit a crisis or you're in

784
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S5: crunch time is everything. Wouldn't you guys agree?

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S3: Absolutely. Because, you know, going through something difficult is it's

786
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S3: disorienting and it's it's kind of like you feel like

787
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S3: you're underwater and you're trying to find your way back

788
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S3: to the surface because you feel like you're drowning. And

789
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S3: the Word of God is what gets you to the

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S3: surface and allows you to see what's right and what's true,

791
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S3: and who he is, and allows you to cling to

792
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S3: something that's more than just well wishes, or everything happens

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S3: for a reason, or kind of the cliches that people

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S3: want to throw at you. The Word of God becomes

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S3: your anchor.

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S5: Yeah. Yeah. And even, uh, the first verse you should

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S5: go to is not all things work together for good,

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S5: for those who love God, for those who are called

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S5: according to his purpose, but rather, uh, the character and

800
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S5: the nature of God. He sees. He loves, he cries,

801
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S5: he's brokenhearted with you and bringing the presence and power

802
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S5: of God in his goodness into that moment is critical.

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S5: So we got a fun question. Talk about something that'll

804
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S5: help us focus today. What is the single scripture verse

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S5: that is most helping you focus on God's goodness and power.

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S5: And I want you to emote on it just for

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S5: a sentence. Give us the verse and then tell us

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S5: how that is at work in your life. We're opening

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S5: up phone lines right now.

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S3: We want to hear from you. And this is the verse, uh,

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S3: you you may not have even set to commit it

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S3: to memory, but you have uttered it so many times

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S3: in a moment of difficulty that, yeah, it just spills

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S3: out of you. That's the verse, the one that's anchoring you,

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S3: that's most helping you focus on God's goodness and power.

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S3: 800 555 7898 (800) 555-7898.

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S1: He's a sports fanatic with a stat for anything you

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S1: can think of. Young Thunder is in the crew. It's

819
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S1: curling crew on Moody Radio.

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S5: All right. Got a question for you. Open and phone lines.

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S5: Here we go, guys. Asking you to call in right now.

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S5: What is the single scripture verse that is most helping

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S5: you focus on God's goodness and power? Think about that

824
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:09,060
S5: and just give us a call right now. 800 555 7898.

825
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S5: You can emote about it for a sentence or two.

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S5: Go for it. 800 555 7898. Super di, you ready

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S5: to roll?

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S10: I am ready to roll. I'm in, I'm in. Psalm

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S10: 46 five. I've been reciting this a lot lately. Uh,

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S10: just for various reasons. But God is within her and

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S10: she will not fall. God will help her at the

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S10: break of day. I just recite that every morning. I

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S10: recite that every morning. And really, you can back it

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S10: up even to 46 one. God is our refuge. He's

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S10: our strength. He's our ever present help in trouble. I mean,

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S10: Psalm 46 altogether, but that one, that verse five, clinging

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S10: to it, God is within her. She will not fall.

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S5: Powerhouse.

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S10: Yeah.

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S5: It is. Way to go. How fun is this? This

841
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S5: is my goodness. 800 555 7898. Give us a jingle

842
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S5: right now. 800 555 7898 Brenda, first time caller. Midlothian, Illinois.

843
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S5: What do you say, Brenda?

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S11: Um, my verse is, uh, Colossians 117. He is before

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S11: all things, and in him all things hold together.

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S5: That's a roundhouse, isn't it, sister?

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S11: Yep, it sure is. It speaks to me volumes.

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S5: Yeah. Good stuff man. Just taking your calls right now.

849
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S5: That's how easy it is. Guys. We're going to have

850
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S5: a a smattering of some good content here. Ali.

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S3: Yeah. What's that scripture verse for you that's most helping

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S3: you focus on God's goodness and his power? 805 55

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S3: 7898 800 555 7898 Sharon, who's calling in this morning

854
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S3: from Tampa, Florida, what's that verse for you and how

855
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S3: is it helping you?

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S12: Good morning. My verse is second Peter one verse three.

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S12: It says, according as his divine power has given unto

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S12: us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through

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S12: the knowledge of him that has called us to glory

860
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S12: and virtue. And what this makes me do is seek

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S12: the Lord. For I like to say, for life in

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S12: general and godliness in particular.

863
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S5: So oh, oh, oh yes.

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S12: Upon every question I have, every doubt, every riddle, every puzzle,

865
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S12: absolutely everything can be found in him because he took

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S12: care of the two parts of me, my spirit and

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S12: my soul and my body. Everything is in him.

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S5: Sister. Life in general. Godliness in particular. Are you kidding me?

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S5: That is. That is powerhouse from Tampa. Are you kidding me?

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S13: Boom! I'll give that one a boom.

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S5: Oh, yeah. Boom! Sister. All right, let's go back to

872
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S5: the phone lines. Who do we have?

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S3: Bill, first time caller from Gilberts, Illinois. You're up. What's

874
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S3: that verse? And how is the Lord using it to

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S3: help you?

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S5: Bill.

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S13: Bill. Bill. Go ahead. You're on with Carl and crew.

878
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S5: All right. Bills. Bills at a stop sign. Okay. Beverly. Uh, mentor. Ohio.

879
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S5: What's your verse and what's God doing with it?

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S14: My verse is Isaiah 4110. Fear not, for I am

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S14: with you. Be not dismayed, for I am your God.

882
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,839
S14: I will strengthen you, I will help you. I will

883
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,200
S14: uphold you with my righteous right hand. I went through

884
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,439
S14: three different surgeries this past summer, felt very alone, but

885
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,840
S14: I had memorized this verse and just clung to it

886
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,960
S14: and kept repeating it and told others about it too.

887
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,280
S14: I love it that God is the great I am.

888
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,799
S5: Ah that's great! Thank you so much for calling in

889
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:51,040
S5: this morning. Boy, these responses here in Beverly boom, sister.

890
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,399
S5: They're just amazing. Let's let's go. Rapid fire. Let's get

891
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:55,080
S5: some more in here.

892
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,000
S3: Nicole. First time caller, Grand Rapids, Michigan. Tell us what's

893
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,120
S3: that verse for you?

894
00:49:00,700 --> 00:49:06,700
S15: Yeah. Isaiah six eight. And I hear and I hear

895
00:49:06,700 --> 00:49:10,100
S15: the voice of the Lord saying, whom shall I send

896
00:49:10,300 --> 00:49:13,300
S15: and who will go for us? Then I said, here

897
00:49:13,300 --> 00:49:21,380
S15: am I send me. I have that too to my arms.

898
00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:26,660
S5: Yeah, sister. And it's on your heart. Big time. Nicole. Boom!

899
00:49:27,060 --> 00:49:31,660
S5: It's powerful. Isaiah six eight. Man, here am I. Send me.

900
00:49:31,700 --> 00:49:34,980
S5: What a what a beautiful. What a beautiful verse. That's

901
00:49:34,980 --> 00:49:39,060
S5: confidence that God is with her wherever she will go. Amazing.

902
00:49:39,060 --> 00:49:40,819
S5: All right, Ali, let's keep it cooking here.

903
00:49:40,860 --> 00:49:43,540
S3: Russ calling in this morning from Elmhurst, Illinois. Tell us

904
00:49:43,540 --> 00:49:46,580
S3: that verse that's helping you focus on God's goodness and power.

905
00:49:48,219 --> 00:49:51,260
S16: Psalm 34 seven the angel of the Lord encamps around

906
00:49:51,260 --> 00:49:54,859
S16: those who fear him and delivers them. And that is

907
00:49:54,860 --> 00:49:57,780
S16: my verse. Since I was an infantry platoon sergeant doing

908
00:49:57,780 --> 00:50:00,479
S16: search and destroy in Vietnam, and I'd never given it up.

909
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,399
S5: Man. Russ, thank you so much. A couple of things. One,

910
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,680
S5: thank you for serving. Number two, thank thankful that God

911
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,200
S5: met you there. And it's still etched on your heart today.

912
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,200
S5: Psalm 34 seven. Some of you are saying right now,

913
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,640
S5: can we get this list? I don't know if that's possible,

914
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,040
S5: but enjoy him one at a time here. Janet, first

915
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,640
S5: time caller in Minnesota. What do you say, Janet?

916
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,760
S17: Um, Psalm 112 verses. Well, verse four, even in darkness,

917
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,280
S17: light dawns for the upright, for those who are gracious

918
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:34,080
S17: and compassionate and righteous. And then on down to verse seven,

919
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,120
S17: they will have no fear of bad news. Their hearts

920
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,680
S17: are steadfast. Trust in the Lord. Their hearts are secure.

921
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,360
S17: They will have no fear when our brains tend to

922
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,040
S17: go to worst case scenarios. That is so comforting to me.

923
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:45,520
S5: Amen, sister.

924
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,320
S13: Boom! Good word.

925
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:52,239
S5: Word. Chandra. Uh. Edwards, Mississippi. Thank you for calling in.

926
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,080
S5: First time caller. What do you say, Chandra?

927
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,010
S11: Psalm 91, verse one.

928
00:50:58,650 --> 00:50:59,089
S15: He that.

929
00:50:59,090 --> 00:51:02,730
S11: Dwelleth in the secret place of the Most High shall

930
00:51:02,730 --> 00:51:07,570
S11: abide under the shadow of the Almighty. And this verse

931
00:51:07,610 --> 00:51:10,890
S11: takes me away. The Holy Spirit just takes me away

932
00:51:11,290 --> 00:51:14,930
S11: to that secret place of the Lord, regardless of whatever

933
00:51:14,930 --> 00:51:20,529
S11: I'm going through, if I'm fearful, afraid, or if I, um,

934
00:51:20,850 --> 00:51:25,450
S11: get anxious and, um, and allow that anxiety and fear

935
00:51:25,450 --> 00:51:30,370
S11: to creep in and cause me to shutter the Holy Spirit.

936
00:51:30,410 --> 00:51:32,930
S11: This verse comes to my mind and I repeat it,

937
00:51:32,930 --> 00:51:37,410
S11: and the Holy Spirit just takes me away into the

938
00:51:37,410 --> 00:51:39,330
S11: secret place of the Most High.

939
00:51:39,489 --> 00:51:44,250
S5: Boom boom boom, sister. That is awesome, sister, thank you

940
00:51:44,250 --> 00:51:47,930
S5: for calling in. First timer from Mississippi. Here's the net

941
00:51:47,969 --> 00:51:49,730
S5: net of this, and we now won't be able to

942
00:51:49,730 --> 00:51:54,090
S5: get to everyone because we're getting crushed with responses. It's

943
00:51:54,090 --> 00:51:58,830
S5: evidence enough that God's Word is loaded with words from

944
00:51:58,830 --> 00:52:00,950
S5: a loving God who has the power and the grace

945
00:52:00,950 --> 00:52:03,510
S5: and the goodness to carry us through whatever it is,

946
00:52:03,550 --> 00:52:08,550
S5: and tap into this. Guys, especially camp out somewhere in

947
00:52:08,550 --> 00:52:11,270
S5: one of the prophets, or go to the Psalms and

948
00:52:11,310 --> 00:52:14,149
S5: hang out. Find a verse camp on it, and let

949
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:20,310
S5: that be something that lets you transcend the circumstances of

950
00:52:20,310 --> 00:52:22,589
S5: the day. At the end of the day, that's what

951
00:52:22,590 --> 00:52:23,270
S5: we need, right?

952
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:26,989
S3: Oh yes, we need truth. We need hope. We need strength.

953
00:52:26,989 --> 00:52:28,110
S3: It's all found in him.

954
00:52:28,989 --> 00:52:32,430
S5: Yeah, it's a perfect song. Natalie grant in Christ alone.

955
00:52:32,430 --> 00:52:34,870
S5: Let these words soak over you today, guys. We got

956
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:37,509
S5: a good God. He's got mercy. He's got power, he's

957
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:39,990
S5: got grace. He's got it all right there for you today.

958
00:52:40,350 --> 00:52:45,030
S1: She's a choreographer extraordinaire. And everything is Greek to her.

959
00:52:45,310 --> 00:52:49,110
S1: Super di is in the crew. It's Carl and crew

960
00:52:49,150 --> 00:52:50,390
S1: on Moody Radio.

961
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:52,350
S5: Sometimes you bring in a guest and you want to

962
00:52:52,350 --> 00:52:54,430
S5: go after a certain topic, but you got to have

963
00:52:54,430 --> 00:52:57,770
S5: a quick little. Whoa! Let's slow the roll. We got

964
00:52:57,770 --> 00:53:00,930
S5: a moment here. We've got lafone gents here. Those of

965
00:53:00,930 --> 00:53:02,850
S5: you that have been in the boom crew for any

966
00:53:02,850 --> 00:53:07,489
S5: period of time, you might remember Doctor Greg Jones. He's

967
00:53:07,489 --> 00:53:11,569
S5: one of those pioneers of holistic spiritual health, the vitality

968
00:53:11,570 --> 00:53:15,009
S5: of the whole person. And we lost him. He went

969
00:53:15,010 --> 00:53:18,290
S5: on to his reward. And his bride is here right now. Lafone.

970
00:53:18,330 --> 00:53:19,490
S5: How are you doing, kiddo?

971
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S18: I'm doing okay. Thank you for asking. It's such a

972
00:53:22,890 --> 00:53:24,969
S18: joy and honor to be able to just step in

973
00:53:25,010 --> 00:53:28,210
S18: the gap and represent him on earth. He did get

974
00:53:28,210 --> 00:53:30,730
S18: to graduate and he's not sad.

975
00:53:30,770 --> 00:53:33,850
S3: Lafone our guest right now, co-founder of the center A

976
00:53:33,850 --> 00:53:37,730
S3: place of Hope along with her late husband, Doctor Greg Jantz.

977
00:53:37,969 --> 00:53:40,770
S3: Tell us a little bit about a place of hope

978
00:53:40,770 --> 00:53:43,010
S3: for those who are not familiar with it.

979
00:53:43,330 --> 00:53:46,250
S18: A place of Hope was founded by my husband and

980
00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:51,090
S18: I over 42 years ago in Seattle, Washington, just north

981
00:53:51,090 --> 00:53:53,810
S18: of Seattle, in a little town called Edmonds on the

982
00:53:53,870 --> 00:53:58,150
S18: water and it's beautiful. And we pioneered whole person care

983
00:53:58,150 --> 00:54:01,029
S18: in the mental health field when it was, you know,

984
00:54:01,070 --> 00:54:04,870
S18: largely unknown. But we always thought, you know, how could

985
00:54:05,230 --> 00:54:08,710
S18: how we treat our bodies physically, mentally and spiritually not

986
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:12,430
S18: affect our mental health? So why not incorporate those things?

987
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:16,390
S5: Lafond answer a tough one here, and we talk with

988
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:18,989
S5: a lot of our guests about this. Allie's really good

989
00:54:18,989 --> 00:54:22,989
S5: about highlighting this. We live in such a therapeutic age.

990
00:54:22,989 --> 00:54:25,950
S5: I mean, every label under the sun is being thrown

991
00:54:25,950 --> 00:54:29,830
S5: around willy nilly, I think recklessly. There's so much focus

992
00:54:29,830 --> 00:54:33,590
S5: on me, myself and I, and I'm not against that.

993
00:54:33,590 --> 00:54:37,149
S5: I think we do definitely need to look in, but

994
00:54:37,150 --> 00:54:40,790
S5: we can't be stuck there. What are you doing with

995
00:54:40,790 --> 00:54:44,590
S5: Christ at the center that most therapy models can't do?

996
00:54:44,950 --> 00:54:48,950
S18: Well, what my husband and I always believed is that

997
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:51,469
S18: as long as there's hope, there is a way through it.

998
00:54:51,469 --> 00:54:54,410
S18: And there is a plan. Abraham even hoped against hope.

999
00:54:54,690 --> 00:54:57,410
S18: And so that's why we named our place a place

1000
00:54:57,410 --> 00:55:00,169
S18: of hope. And there is always hope when there is

1001
00:55:00,170 --> 00:55:03,890
S18: a plan. And so giving people a plan a way

1002
00:55:03,890 --> 00:55:08,410
S18: out is really what we think good, solid therapy can do.

1003
00:55:08,770 --> 00:55:13,450
S18: Being in a good mentorship relationship can help. Scripture is great.

1004
00:55:13,850 --> 00:55:16,969
S18: You know, if we isolate, we get into trouble. And

1005
00:55:17,010 --> 00:55:20,850
S18: so we're seeing a loneliness epidemic. We're seeing people prefer

1006
00:55:20,850 --> 00:55:24,690
S18: their phones and they're streaming over being in relationship. And

1007
00:55:24,730 --> 00:55:29,330
S18: that's that's contributing factor, I believe, to our need for therapy.

1008
00:55:29,650 --> 00:55:32,770
S3: A big part of what happens in therapy is often

1009
00:55:32,770 --> 00:55:37,129
S3: helping people make peace with their past, with things that

1010
00:55:37,130 --> 00:55:40,609
S3: have happened to them, maybe happened around them that they

1011
00:55:40,610 --> 00:55:43,250
S3: were exposed to. It's the title of a book you

1012
00:55:43,250 --> 00:55:46,529
S3: have out make peace with your past. The first chapter

1013
00:55:46,530 --> 00:55:49,930
S3: Moving from Hurting to Healing. I mean, that is the aim,

1014
00:55:49,930 --> 00:55:52,750
S3: but sometimes we can get stuck in that in-between. Speak

1015
00:55:52,750 --> 00:55:53,390
S3: to that.

1016
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:57,390
S18: Yes, we get stuck when we continue to ruminate and

1017
00:55:57,390 --> 00:56:00,150
S18: dwell on the past and or when the past keeps

1018
00:56:00,190 --> 00:56:04,549
S18: leaking into your thinking. So you know that dwelling on

1019
00:56:04,550 --> 00:56:08,790
S18: the past is a set up for toxic emotions. And

1020
00:56:08,790 --> 00:56:13,069
S18: so when we have a lot of issues that are unresolved,

1021
00:56:13,110 --> 00:56:15,670
S18: either things that we've done or other people have done

1022
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:20,350
S18: to us, and there's not been forgiveness or resolution, which

1023
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:24,469
S18: resolution always on some level requires being able to forgive.

1024
00:56:24,510 --> 00:56:26,910
S18: Our health depends on us being able to come through

1025
00:56:26,910 --> 00:56:28,750
S18: that release and forgiveness phase.

1026
00:56:28,790 --> 00:56:32,310
S5: Yeah for sure. All right, let's tackle something else here.

1027
00:56:32,350 --> 00:56:35,989
S5: Lafont chance is our guest right now. And we're discussing

1028
00:56:35,989 --> 00:56:39,470
S5: how you make peace with your past. You know, there's

1029
00:56:39,469 --> 00:56:42,110
S5: the old school which is making peace with your past.

1030
00:56:42,110 --> 00:56:43,589
S5: Means you're going to get it out of your mind.

1031
00:56:43,590 --> 00:56:46,110
S5: You're never going to revisit it again. And then there

1032
00:56:46,110 --> 00:56:49,350
S5: is the whiplash to that. And that is, oh, no,

1033
00:56:49,350 --> 00:56:51,530
S5: we can't put our past and we're kind of working

1034
00:56:51,530 --> 00:56:56,290
S5: it through. And how do you know if your past

1035
00:56:56,290 --> 00:56:59,890
S5: is negatively impacting you today?

1036
00:57:00,570 --> 00:57:04,930
S18: You know, things like even health issues, because the Mayo

1037
00:57:04,930 --> 00:57:08,770
S18: Clinic did a study and those who were able to

1038
00:57:08,810 --> 00:57:13,009
S18: move through, letting go of and forgiving their past had

1039
00:57:13,010 --> 00:57:18,370
S18: lower blood pressure, better immune systems, fewer heart issues. And

1040
00:57:18,410 --> 00:57:21,450
S18: so you can tell when you start to break down physically,

1041
00:57:21,450 --> 00:57:26,850
S18: you break down emotionally. You have overreactions, hypersensitivity. All of

1042
00:57:26,850 --> 00:57:29,570
S18: those things can be a sign and a symptom that

1043
00:57:29,570 --> 00:57:32,850
S18: there's something under the surface that you don't want to acknowledge,

1044
00:57:32,850 --> 00:57:35,090
S18: you don't want to deal with. But it's there. It's

1045
00:57:35,090 --> 00:57:39,170
S18: leaking into your life. It's the hardest thing for humans

1046
00:57:39,170 --> 00:57:42,250
S18: to do. We resist change. We don't want to do this,

1047
00:57:42,250 --> 00:57:44,650
S18: but you get to a point where you must do it.

1048
00:57:44,650 --> 00:57:47,290
S18: Your body's telling you, your friends are telling you. Your

1049
00:57:47,290 --> 00:57:50,310
S18: family is telling you. So what are you going to do.

1050
00:57:50,670 --> 00:57:54,030
S3: With our guest right now? Your late husband, Doctor Greg Jantz.

1051
00:57:54,030 --> 00:57:59,630
S3: He was an incredibly optimistic guy. Why is optimism such

1052
00:57:59,670 --> 00:58:02,750
S3: an important ingredient? When we talk about this process of

1053
00:58:02,750 --> 00:58:05,270
S3: making peace with your past? And what is it? Is

1054
00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:07,470
S3: it just positive thinking or is it something deeper?

1055
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:10,670
S18: You know, I think it's something deeper. Some people described

1056
00:58:10,670 --> 00:58:14,670
S18: him as being effervescent. And so there's something in him,

1057
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:18,150
S18: you know, because he lived this out, he walked this out.

1058
00:58:18,190 --> 00:58:22,030
S18: He really made a determination and a decision to not

1059
00:58:22,030 --> 00:58:26,430
S18: live in regret. And I remember having these conversations with him.

1060
00:58:26,670 --> 00:58:29,630
S18: He's like, you know what? It's not worth it. Living

1061
00:58:29,630 --> 00:58:32,430
S18: in regret is going to pull you down. And so

1062
00:58:32,590 --> 00:58:37,430
S18: he truly was free from regrets and lived his life

1063
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:41,430
S18: that way. It draws people to you. It builds relationships.

1064
00:58:41,470 --> 00:58:46,110
S18: It causes people to respond positively to you. And it

1065
00:58:46,110 --> 00:58:51,850
S18: opens doors for either opportunity or connection and belonging, and

1066
00:58:51,970 --> 00:58:55,850
S18: it helps in terms of not being isolated. With his passing,

1067
00:58:55,890 --> 00:58:59,490
S18: a lot has come on myself and my two sons,

1068
00:58:59,530 --> 00:59:02,250
S18: adult sons and daughter in law. And so we just

1069
00:59:02,250 --> 00:59:04,490
S18: decided together we made a pact. We were going to

1070
00:59:04,490 --> 00:59:09,130
S18: do everything together, make decisions together and not isolate. And

1071
00:59:09,170 --> 00:59:11,770
S18: that's really helped us over these past six months of

1072
00:59:11,770 --> 00:59:12,650
S18: our recovery.

1073
00:59:12,930 --> 00:59:16,650
S5: What do you think causes people to be attached to

1074
00:59:16,690 --> 00:59:20,770
S5: their past too much in this modern day? I know

1075
00:59:20,770 --> 00:59:24,130
S5: that there is a lot of people that have not

1076
00:59:24,130 --> 00:59:26,730
S5: come to terms with the pain of the past, and

1077
00:59:26,730 --> 00:59:28,770
S5: they've tried to kind of shove it under the rug,

1078
00:59:28,770 --> 00:59:32,730
S5: so to speak. But is it the inability to forgive?

1079
00:59:32,770 --> 00:59:36,650
S5: Is it an inability to identify? Is it an inability

1080
00:59:36,650 --> 00:59:40,330
S5: to grieve? Is it an inability to move on? What's

1081
00:59:40,330 --> 00:59:41,770
S5: the biggest problem here?

1082
00:59:41,970 --> 00:59:44,570
S18: You know, it's probably all of those things. We have

1083
00:59:44,570 --> 00:59:48,510
S18: an avoidance culture, and it's easy to avoid dealing with

1084
00:59:48,510 --> 00:59:51,950
S18: issues when you're distracted and able to numb out on

1085
00:59:51,950 --> 00:59:54,670
S18: all the other things that this culture seems to offer

1086
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:57,710
S18: and seems easier. But the easy way isn't the easy way,

1087
00:59:57,710 --> 01:00:00,470
S18: is it? So that straight and narrow, narrow path that

1088
01:00:00,470 --> 01:00:03,110
S18: we're called to live as Christians calls us to a

1089
01:00:03,110 --> 01:00:06,189
S18: higher way of life, and God's ways are higher than

1090
01:00:06,190 --> 01:00:09,950
S18: our ways to be sure. And that's where freedom comes

1091
01:00:09,950 --> 01:00:14,710
S18: freedom from addiction, anxiety, depression. And it is possible to

1092
01:00:14,750 --> 01:00:17,550
S18: move through those things, coming to a place where you're

1093
01:00:17,550 --> 01:00:21,030
S18: not avoiding anymore. You're dealing with those things you're taking

1094
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:23,910
S18: care of. It is such a better way to live.

1095
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:26,950
S18: It's that culture of avoidance, I think, that we need

1096
01:00:26,950 --> 01:00:30,550
S18: to resist and work against in every way possible.

1097
01:00:30,590 --> 01:00:34,910
S3: Lafond says her book is called Make Peace with Your Past.

1098
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:41,830
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