1 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:12,520 S1: 65%. 65% of Christian women say they are not satisfied 2 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,840 S1: with their spiritual lives. If you're a woman, would you 3 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,160 S1: agree with that? Are you in the 65% or are 4 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:22,280 S1: you in the 35%? If you are in the 65%, 5 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,760 S1: what would it take for you to be satisfied? And 6 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:28,920 S1: maybe the better question is, what would it take for 7 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,240 S1: God to look at your spiritual life and say, hey, 8 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,240 S1: she's she's right on track. She's taking her relationship with 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,879 S1: me seriously. I am delighted in her. Once you hear 10 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,040 S1: from my pal Hannah today because she fervently believes you 11 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,280 S1: don't have to go big or go home, your quiet 12 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,360 S1: time doesn't have to be an hour long every day. 13 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,880 S1: You don't have to look up every Greek and Hebrew word. 14 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,240 S1: In fact, she says, and it's going to encourage somebody, 15 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,720 S1: I think she says we need to reframe spiritual disciplines 16 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:04,200 S1: and move toward spiritual habits. Some practical help and hope 17 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,759 S1: is straight ahead on this launch day of a book 18 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,319 S1: that she has written, Everyday Spiritual Habits. The light is 19 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,480 S1: going to go on for somebody today, I can tell. 20 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,720 S1: Let's get started. First, thank you to our team rhyme. 21 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,480 S1: Konoha does all things technical. Trish is our producer. Josh 22 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,959 S1: will be answering your calls today. If you heard the 23 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,839 S1: program yesterday, Doctor Gary Chapman joined us to talk about 24 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,679 S1: the love language that matters most. And he answered that 25 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,240 S1: question toward the end of the program. Sorry, it took 26 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,440 S1: us 45 minutes to let you know. The one that 27 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,400 S1: matters most is the language. The person you love longs 28 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,839 S1: to hear. Okay. And his book is our thank you 29 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,440 S1: right now, and it will take you into the different 30 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,640 S1: dialects of the love languages and help you express the 31 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:49,080 S1: love that you have so they really feel it. Call 32 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,360 S1: or click through. Give a gift of any size to 33 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,520 S1: support us. Be as generous as you can here in 34 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,800 S1: February 8th six 695 Faber is the number or go 35 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:03,720 S1: to Chris Fabry lives. Why does love get lost in translation? 36 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:08,240 S1: How can you personalize your love? So it is deeply felt. 37 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,559 S1: That's what the love language that matters most is all about. 38 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:18,239 S1: Call (866) 953-2279 or go to Chris Fabry lives. And thank 39 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,280 S1: you for being a friend or partner with us here 40 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,239 S1: at the Radio Backyard Fence. I love the tone of 41 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,320 S1: Hannah Seymour's new book because she has great sense of humor. 42 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,320 S1: First of all, and she knows what it's like to 43 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:34,400 S1: be a busy mom. Her children are now eight, six, 44 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,280 S1: and four, but when they were little, when they were three, 45 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,480 S1: there were three, two and one. So she knows what 46 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,960 S1: it's like to be right there in the middle of 47 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,639 S1: the trenches and feel like I don't have time. Life 48 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,600 S1: is too hectic. I don't know how to. How do 49 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,440 S1: I connect with the heart of God when I've got 50 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,000 S1: all this to do? Let me introduce her. She's an author, 51 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,400 S1: Bible teacher, podcast host, and she's passionate about helping you 52 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,960 S1: walk faithfully with Jesus in your everyday life. As a 53 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,840 S1: seminary graduate wife mom of three, she brings a relatable, 54 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:10,040 S1: grace filled perspective to spiritual growth. We talked with her 55 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:14,000 S1: about the College Girls Survival Guide a few years ago, 56 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:20,079 S1: her latest. It just came out today Everyday Spiritual Habits small, 57 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,839 S1: Simple Ways to Transform Your Faith. Starting now. It's our 58 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:30,799 S1: featured resource. Just click through today's information at. Kris. Hanna 59 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:32,560 S1: welcome back. How you doing today? 60 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,080 S2: Oh, Chris, it's such an honor and a delight to 61 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,280 S2: be here. And I'm great. Better than I deserve. As 62 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:40,640 S2: some wise men say. 63 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,960 S1: Yeah, I know the financial wise, man. Yeah, but you 64 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,240 S1: got a cold. And if you cough today, we're not 65 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:47,880 S1: going to hold that against you, okay. 66 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,120 S2: Thank you. Thank you for that, Grace. 67 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,040 S1: You cough as much as you want. Okay. Unpack that. 68 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,720 S1: That statistic. 65% of Christian women admit they aren't satisfied 69 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,720 S1: with their spiritual lives. Why? 70 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:07,880 S2: Okay, this is over 2100 Christian women took this survey. Overwhelmingly, 71 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:12,360 S2: they said the one thing that they desire is consistency. 72 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:18,440 S2: They want consistency in Bible reading, prayer, Christian community, time 73 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,679 S2: with the Lord over and over. It was this picture 74 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,880 S2: of I feel like I should be doing X. My 75 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:29,359 S2: spiritual walk and spiritual discipline should look like X, but 76 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:33,080 S2: I can't and they feel shame and they feel disconnected, 77 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,040 S2: but they just want to be consistent with the Lord. 78 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,160 S1: Yeah, I get that. Okay I get that. And isn't 79 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,719 S1: part of it though the comparison. It's almost the social 80 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,159 S1: media thing. It's like I spent three hours on my 81 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,960 S1: on my knees today praying, you know, or I'm fasting 82 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,799 S1: in all in January. And you're not saying don't fast. 83 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,990 S1: You know, don't not fast or don't spend three hours 84 00:04:56,990 --> 00:05:00,990 S1: on your knees. Um, but but there's something that we have. 85 00:05:00,990 --> 00:05:04,750 S1: We compare ourselves with others rather than look at whatever 86 00:05:04,750 --> 00:05:06,150 S1: season we're in. Right? 87 00:05:07,070 --> 00:05:09,950 S2: Yeah, I think some of us believe that the practice 88 00:05:09,950 --> 00:05:14,110 S2: of spiritual disciplines is for the spiritual elite. You know, 89 00:05:14,150 --> 00:05:17,390 S2: it's for the pastor. It's for the authors and Bible teachers, 90 00:05:17,390 --> 00:05:21,230 S2: the professional Christians, we might call them. I think also, 91 00:05:21,270 --> 00:05:25,030 S2: you know, I have read a lot of spiritual discipline, 92 00:05:25,029 --> 00:05:28,110 S2: classic texts. I love these texts. They are near and 93 00:05:28,110 --> 00:05:31,270 S2: dear to my heart, most of them. And I'm not 94 00:05:31,270 --> 00:05:33,510 S2: mad when I say this, but most of them are 95 00:05:33,510 --> 00:05:38,029 S2: written by men in their 50s and 60s. Again, I 96 00:05:38,070 --> 00:05:41,910 S2: am so grateful for their wisdom, but my life as 97 00:05:41,910 --> 00:05:44,190 S2: now I'm a 41 year old mom of three who 98 00:05:44,190 --> 00:05:46,790 S2: works part time and homeschools her kids and is juggling 99 00:05:46,790 --> 00:05:50,510 S2: all these different things. My life looks very different right 100 00:05:50,550 --> 00:05:53,710 S2: than Dallas Willard's life looked when he wrote his books, 101 00:05:53,710 --> 00:05:57,950 S2: or Richard Foster or Ken Boa, or these legends that 102 00:05:57,950 --> 00:06:02,109 S2: I greatly respect and admire. And so I think some 103 00:06:02,110 --> 00:06:04,230 S2: of us have been given a picture of what the 104 00:06:04,230 --> 00:06:07,270 S2: practice of spiritual disciplines looks like in a way that 105 00:06:07,270 --> 00:06:12,750 S2: just doesn't fit our actual lives, our everyday season that 106 00:06:12,750 --> 00:06:15,390 S2: we're in. And so, so much of this book was 107 00:06:15,390 --> 00:06:20,270 S2: me kind of repainting, reimagining, re-envisioning. What does it look 108 00:06:20,270 --> 00:06:23,230 S2: like to walk tethered to Jesus through the practice of 109 00:06:23,230 --> 00:06:26,830 S2: these spiritual disciplines in a way that you can do 110 00:06:26,830 --> 00:06:29,550 S2: that you don't feel shame because you're not having an 111 00:06:29,589 --> 00:06:32,230 S2: hour long quiet time in the morning, but you're still 112 00:06:32,230 --> 00:06:36,390 S2: reading your Bible. It's still transforming you. Um, so that's 113 00:06:36,390 --> 00:06:38,110 S2: my that's the heart of this book, and that's my 114 00:06:38,110 --> 00:06:39,070 S2: greatest hope. 115 00:06:39,430 --> 00:06:41,790 S1: And all of those men that you mentioned that were 116 00:06:41,790 --> 00:06:44,750 S1: in their 50s and 60s when they wrote you quote 117 00:06:44,870 --> 00:06:49,589 S1: liberally through the book. So you love them, but. Tricia. 118 00:06:49,630 --> 00:06:51,870 S1: Tricia just wrote to me. She said, my struggle is 119 00:06:51,870 --> 00:06:55,469 S1: I compare to what it. It can look like and 120 00:06:55,470 --> 00:06:59,190 S1: letting go of the ideal. And you said that overnight, 121 00:06:59,190 --> 00:07:02,150 S1: after you became a mom, I went from having multiple 122 00:07:02,150 --> 00:07:06,150 S1: daily rhythms that encouraged spiritual growth and connecting with God 123 00:07:06,350 --> 00:07:10,510 S1: to having nothing. And you began to flounder spiritually. That's 124 00:07:10,510 --> 00:07:13,030 S1: where a lot of women on men, too, are. 125 00:07:14,190 --> 00:07:17,070 S2: Yep. I just received a message from a young woman 126 00:07:17,070 --> 00:07:19,390 S2: the other day saying, you know, I used to spend 127 00:07:19,390 --> 00:07:22,150 S2: an hour in the word and prayer every morning when 128 00:07:22,150 --> 00:07:25,230 S2: I was 26. Now I'm 36 and I have two 129 00:07:25,270 --> 00:07:27,630 S2: little children who wake me up at the crack of dawn, 130 00:07:27,630 --> 00:07:30,070 S2: and I feel guilt about that. And she and I 131 00:07:30,110 --> 00:07:34,070 S2: were texting back and forth about, God has you in 132 00:07:34,070 --> 00:07:36,350 S2: this season, that he wants you. This is the soil 133 00:07:36,350 --> 00:07:38,470 S2: he has planted you in. He's made you a mom 134 00:07:38,470 --> 00:07:42,030 S2: with these two young kids. They're not an interruption or 135 00:07:42,670 --> 00:07:45,190 S2: messing with the rhythms that he wants you to have. 136 00:07:45,230 --> 00:07:48,550 S2: They are part of it. And so that was my 137 00:07:48,550 --> 00:07:51,710 S2: personal story, was having to go, okay, my life looks 138 00:07:51,710 --> 00:07:55,710 S2: different as a married woman with children than it did 139 00:07:55,710 --> 00:07:58,270 S2: when I was single. But God wants to meet me 140 00:07:58,310 --> 00:08:03,150 S2: here in this crazy, chaotic, ordinary life that I have. 141 00:08:03,510 --> 00:08:06,150 S2: And so what might that look like? Again, it's that 142 00:08:06,150 --> 00:08:10,150 S2: re-envisioning of what these, the practice of these spiritual disciplines 143 00:08:10,350 --> 00:08:12,750 S2: have looked like or could look like. But what they, 144 00:08:12,950 --> 00:08:16,190 S2: they actually can look like, that's accessible and sustainable to 145 00:08:16,230 --> 00:08:17,110 S2: me right now. 146 00:08:17,670 --> 00:08:23,350 S1: Every day. Spiritual Habits is the title. It's just out today. Small, 147 00:08:23,350 --> 00:08:27,390 S1: Simple Ways to Transform Your Faith, starting now. And we're 148 00:08:27,390 --> 00:08:30,510 S1: going to get some of those seed habits today. But 149 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:32,350 S1: I want to before we take a break, I want 150 00:08:32,350 --> 00:08:34,910 S1: you to tell the story when you were 16 years old, 151 00:08:34,950 --> 00:08:37,189 S1: because I think a lot of times if we look 152 00:08:37,190 --> 00:08:39,310 S1: at other people and we say, you know, they do 153 00:08:39,350 --> 00:08:41,870 S1: this and I don't do this, and I'm not as 154 00:08:41,910 --> 00:08:45,189 S1: you know, I wish I could be like them. Um, 155 00:08:45,350 --> 00:08:48,470 S1: and I wish that I could do this because then 156 00:08:48,470 --> 00:08:51,070 S1: I know God would like me more. That's kind of 157 00:08:51,110 --> 00:08:53,390 S1: how I started the program today. It's like, you know, 158 00:08:53,429 --> 00:08:57,350 S1: what does God think about you? You were 16 and 159 00:08:57,350 --> 00:09:00,590 S1: your mom said something to you about your your quiet 160 00:09:00,630 --> 00:09:02,670 S1: time and your Bible reading. What did she say? 161 00:09:03,710 --> 00:09:06,510 S2: I had been raised in not just a Christian home, 162 00:09:06,510 --> 00:09:09,910 S2: but I was a pastor's kid, first born daughter of 163 00:09:09,910 --> 00:09:14,110 S2: a pastor's kid, and I t's like I was a 164 00:09:14,110 --> 00:09:16,790 S2: professional Christian. By the time I was seven, I was 165 00:09:16,790 --> 00:09:20,350 S2: having a morning quiet time. And long story short, I'm 16. 166 00:09:20,390 --> 00:09:23,390 S2: I'm coming undone in front of my mother. And she 167 00:09:23,390 --> 00:09:27,709 S2: looks at me and says, Hannah, do you believe that 168 00:09:27,710 --> 00:09:31,230 S2: there is nothing you can do that would make God 169 00:09:31,230 --> 00:09:35,990 S2: love you more? And then she said, do you believe 170 00:09:36,030 --> 00:09:38,510 S2: there's nothing you can do that would make God love 171 00:09:38,510 --> 00:09:44,270 S2: you less? And I knew in my head what she 172 00:09:44,270 --> 00:09:46,990 S2: was saying was true. But the Lord took me on 173 00:09:46,990 --> 00:09:49,829 S2: a journey for about a year to show me that 174 00:09:49,830 --> 00:09:52,430 S2: that is true, that I cannot earn his affection, earn 175 00:09:52,429 --> 00:09:56,270 S2: his love, earn his approval by doing anything for him, 176 00:09:56,550 --> 00:09:59,550 S2: and that he loves me because he is love. And 177 00:09:59,550 --> 00:10:04,070 S2: then these spiritual disciplines then become an invitation for us 178 00:10:04,070 --> 00:10:06,429 S2: to connect with the God who loves our souls, not 179 00:10:06,429 --> 00:10:08,670 S2: a way to earn his favor or love. 180 00:10:09,030 --> 00:10:12,750 S1: Bingo. Yeah, and your mom was. So she even said, 181 00:10:12,750 --> 00:10:16,949 S1: I think, you know, plug your ears. Parents or kids, 182 00:10:16,990 --> 00:10:19,870 S1: you know, don't don't read your Bible. You know, stop. 183 00:10:19,870 --> 00:10:22,510 S1: Stop reading your Bible for a couple of days or 184 00:10:22,550 --> 00:10:26,390 S1: a week or however long and see what happens inside 185 00:10:26,390 --> 00:10:29,430 S1: your heart and see if God still loves you or not. 186 00:10:29,470 --> 00:10:31,870 S1: It sounds like something Steve Brown would say a little 187 00:10:31,870 --> 00:10:36,950 S1: deeper than your mom could say, but it's it's true. 188 00:10:37,150 --> 00:10:41,430 S1: But I think the Christian life is is exactly that 189 00:10:41,429 --> 00:10:46,550 S1: is grasping on that. I cannot do anything that is 190 00:10:46,550 --> 00:10:50,070 S1: going to make him love me more or love me less. 191 00:10:50,670 --> 00:10:54,430 S1: But I can do. I can apply my life and, 192 00:10:54,470 --> 00:10:57,830 S1: you know, get to know him better so that my 193 00:10:57,830 --> 00:11:01,590 S1: heart is aligned to his and what he wants for me. 194 00:11:01,750 --> 00:11:04,670 S1: And that is what I see as the the backbone 195 00:11:04,710 --> 00:11:07,590 S1: of what you've written. It's so practical, it's so helpful. 196 00:11:07,590 --> 00:11:09,270 S1: It's going to turn the light on for a number 197 00:11:09,270 --> 00:11:13,230 S1: of people. It's out today. This is launch day for 198 00:11:13,230 --> 00:11:19,630 S1: everyday spiritual habits. Small, simple ways to transform your faith, 199 00:11:19,630 --> 00:11:23,870 S1: starting now. I've been through it. It is revolutionary. I 200 00:11:23,870 --> 00:11:26,310 S1: think it's going to help a lot of people find it. 201 00:11:26,309 --> 00:11:41,110 S1: At the website Chris Fabry Live. Her name is Hannah 202 00:11:41,150 --> 00:11:44,630 S1: Seymour s e y o u r. The book is 203 00:11:44,710 --> 00:11:49,390 S1: Everyday Spiritual Habits small, Simple Ways to Transform your faith, 204 00:11:49,390 --> 00:11:53,470 S1: starting now. We began January with a series of programs 205 00:11:53,470 --> 00:11:55,710 S1: on this. I'm starting February because we're going to do 206 00:11:55,750 --> 00:11:58,670 S1: one today. We're talking about this on Thursday. Tomorrow on 207 00:11:58,670 --> 00:12:01,910 S1: the program, a program I've never done before. And it's 208 00:12:01,910 --> 00:12:04,990 S1: for anybody who has an infant. You've brought an infant 209 00:12:05,030 --> 00:12:07,429 S1: home and you want to get a sleep schedule down. 210 00:12:07,429 --> 00:12:09,390 S1: And how do you do that with an infant? We 211 00:12:09,429 --> 00:12:13,230 S1: got a a specialist who's going to help parents with that. 212 00:12:13,230 --> 00:12:15,830 S1: So if you know anybody who's having trouble getting to 213 00:12:15,870 --> 00:12:18,429 S1: sleep because they have a new baby in the house, 214 00:12:18,670 --> 00:12:22,990 S1: make sure you listen tomorrow. But today it's about these small, 215 00:12:22,990 --> 00:12:26,990 S1: simple ways to transform your faith. And that's that word 216 00:12:26,990 --> 00:12:30,830 S1: is used. This is not about getting more information or 217 00:12:30,830 --> 00:12:34,990 S1: more knowledge or more answers to a test that, uh, 218 00:12:35,230 --> 00:12:38,910 S1: Greek or Hebrew or even the memorization, though you encourage 219 00:12:38,910 --> 00:12:42,390 S1: people to memorize. It's not about the the memorizing of 220 00:12:42,390 --> 00:12:47,790 S1: the Scripture. It is transformation from the inside out, isn't it, Hannah? 221 00:12:48,910 --> 00:12:53,350 S2: That's right. Howard Hendrix wrote, the Bible was written not 222 00:12:53,350 --> 00:12:58,470 S2: to satisfy your curiosity, but to help you conform to 223 00:12:58,510 --> 00:13:02,070 S2: Christ's image. And it makes me think of Romans 12 224 00:13:02,070 --> 00:13:05,510 S2: that talks about you were either being conformed by the 225 00:13:05,510 --> 00:13:10,110 S2: world or you're being transformed by the Lord. And I 226 00:13:10,150 --> 00:13:13,110 S2: write in my book about how there's there's no neutrality there. 227 00:13:13,110 --> 00:13:17,349 S2: It's either or either the culture, your fears, the media, 228 00:13:17,390 --> 00:13:21,230 S2: all of these other circumstances, either they're forming you or 229 00:13:21,350 --> 00:13:26,109 S2: God's Word, God's presence, God's spirit, God's people are forming 230 00:13:26,110 --> 00:13:30,190 S2: you into his likeness. And we have to figure out 231 00:13:30,590 --> 00:13:32,230 S2: who do we want to be? Who do we want 232 00:13:32,230 --> 00:13:36,630 S2: to be transformed by? And then start taking small, easy 233 00:13:36,630 --> 00:13:39,390 S2: steps on that path to to get us down to 234 00:13:39,429 --> 00:13:40,910 S2: the person that we want to become? 235 00:13:41,190 --> 00:13:46,030 S1: Mm. I loved that you gave this kind of thought experiment, 236 00:13:46,030 --> 00:13:48,950 S1: because you encourage women to think of an older woman 237 00:13:48,950 --> 00:13:54,150 S1: that they admire and imagine themselves, picture themselves the last 238 00:13:54,150 --> 00:13:57,550 S1: decade of their life, who they want to be. Why 239 00:13:57,550 --> 00:13:58,630 S1: is that helpful? 240 00:14:00,390 --> 00:14:02,790 S2: You know, I mean, to quote you mentioned earlier, I 241 00:14:02,790 --> 00:14:05,230 S2: have so many quotes in this book, but Jen Wilkins 242 00:14:05,230 --> 00:14:07,270 S2: said something to the effect of, you know, we will 243 00:14:07,270 --> 00:14:12,430 S2: not passively take on the character of Christ. We can 244 00:14:12,429 --> 00:14:16,110 S2: passively just turn into someone who ends up becoming 90 245 00:14:16,110 --> 00:14:18,309 S2: years old. But none of us want to do that. 246 00:14:18,309 --> 00:14:22,670 S2: We want to intentionally grow and become someone that loves 247 00:14:22,670 --> 00:14:26,710 S2: the Lord, loves others, is vibrant, joyful, has peace that 248 00:14:26,710 --> 00:14:30,590 S2: surpasses understanding, and all of these things, all of that 249 00:14:30,590 --> 00:14:35,230 S2: takes intentionality. And and it starts with today. How are 250 00:14:35,230 --> 00:14:37,990 S2: you living your life today? And is that putting you 251 00:14:37,990 --> 00:14:40,700 S2: on the path of becoming the 90 year old woman 252 00:14:40,980 --> 00:14:43,420 S2: that you want to become. But we need a vision 253 00:14:43,420 --> 00:14:47,180 S2: for our identity and who we're becoming, essentially to help 254 00:14:47,700 --> 00:14:50,700 S2: us define how we want to live today. 255 00:14:50,900 --> 00:14:54,220 S1: Right. One of the steps that you give to is friendship, 256 00:14:54,220 --> 00:14:57,420 S1: and that it strikes me that if you if there 257 00:14:57,420 --> 00:15:00,700 S1: is an older woman in your life that you know, 258 00:15:00,820 --> 00:15:04,660 S1: you know, who's 70s, 80s, 90s down the road a 259 00:15:04,660 --> 00:15:08,380 S1: little bit further than you are. One way to to 260 00:15:08,420 --> 00:15:11,060 S1: move forward with this is to have sit down and 261 00:15:11,060 --> 00:15:13,060 S1: have a conversation. Can we have a cup of coffee? 262 00:15:13,100 --> 00:15:14,700 S1: And I want to ask you, how'd you get to 263 00:15:14,740 --> 00:15:17,220 S1: be the way you are? What what what is your 264 00:15:17,260 --> 00:15:20,220 S1: what is your secret? What is that? Especially in this 265 00:15:20,220 --> 00:15:25,420 S1: idea of the spiritual habits that are formed. And it 266 00:15:25,420 --> 00:15:28,060 S1: may look different when you're 90 than when you're in 267 00:15:28,060 --> 00:15:30,020 S1: your 30s or 40s, right? 268 00:15:31,380 --> 00:15:36,300 S2: That's absolutely right. And I write about the practice of 269 00:15:36,500 --> 00:15:39,540 S2: Christ centered friendship. A lot of spiritual discipline books talk 270 00:15:39,580 --> 00:15:43,460 S2: about community or fellowship, and part of my re-envisioning what 271 00:15:43,460 --> 00:15:47,460 S2: these spiritual disciplines look like in a small, easy way, um, 272 00:15:47,980 --> 00:15:50,340 S2: was taking a step back and going, well, where does 273 00:15:50,340 --> 00:15:55,460 S2: Christ centered community and fellowship begin? Well, it begins with friendship. 274 00:15:55,500 --> 00:15:57,900 S2: And my dad has always said, I've heard him say 275 00:15:57,900 --> 00:16:00,260 S2: it a million times growing up. You know, apart from 276 00:16:00,260 --> 00:16:04,660 S2: God's Word, God's Spirit and God's people, we will not 277 00:16:04,660 --> 00:16:07,460 S2: grow on this Christian journey. And so to your point, 278 00:16:07,460 --> 00:16:10,660 S2: to have an older woman or man, of course, if 279 00:16:10,660 --> 00:16:13,660 S2: you're if you're a man in your life that a 280 00:16:13,700 --> 00:16:16,260 S2: can give you a vision of where you're headed and 281 00:16:16,260 --> 00:16:19,460 S2: b help guide you a little bit, um, in your, 282 00:16:19,500 --> 00:16:20,700 S2: in your current season. 283 00:16:21,180 --> 00:16:27,060 S1: So you've reframed the spiritual disciplines to spiritual habits. Why 284 00:16:27,060 --> 00:16:28,340 S1: is that important? 285 00:16:31,260 --> 00:16:36,380 S2: Habits are something that by definition that we do automatically. 286 00:16:36,380 --> 00:16:40,020 S2: So a habit is when you walk into a dark room, 287 00:16:40,140 --> 00:16:42,420 S2: you flip on a light switch. That's a habit you 288 00:16:42,420 --> 00:16:44,820 S2: did not have to stop and process and go, oh, 289 00:16:45,220 --> 00:16:47,900 S2: I'm in a dark room. What shall I do to 290 00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:50,100 S2: be able to see in this room? You just know 291 00:16:50,140 --> 00:16:54,060 S2: your brain has created shortcuts to get you there, right? 292 00:16:54,180 --> 00:16:57,020 S2: And so at first that may seem, I don't know, 293 00:16:57,060 --> 00:16:59,620 S2: unspiritual for me to say that these should be habits 294 00:16:59,620 --> 00:17:03,580 S2: and not disciplines. But the more that I got into it, 295 00:17:03,740 --> 00:17:07,460 S2: the more I thought, no, I want my automatic response 296 00:17:07,460 --> 00:17:10,859 S2: when I get anxious or when my child does something 297 00:17:10,859 --> 00:17:15,219 S2: that makes me angry. I want my automatic response to 298 00:17:15,260 --> 00:17:18,180 S2: be connection with the Lord, to be prayer, to be 299 00:17:18,180 --> 00:17:21,260 S2: asking for help, for a Bible verse that I'm working 300 00:17:21,260 --> 00:17:24,379 S2: on memorizing, or I've been meditating to pop into my 301 00:17:24,380 --> 00:17:29,740 S2: head to replace whatever I'm thinking. That may not be praiseworthy. Um, 302 00:17:30,100 --> 00:17:34,980 S2: so so that's partly why. And also because generally to 303 00:17:35,020 --> 00:17:39,460 S2: create habits that last. The science of habit formation says 304 00:17:39,460 --> 00:17:42,859 S2: we have to start small and easy. And so again, 305 00:17:42,859 --> 00:17:49,460 S2: reframing this concept of these lofty, backbreaking spiritual disciplines. Um, 306 00:17:49,740 --> 00:17:52,180 S2: how can we do those in small, easy ways that 307 00:17:52,180 --> 00:17:54,900 S2: fit into our days and that keep us tethered to 308 00:17:54,940 --> 00:17:56,900 S2: Jesus all day long? 309 00:17:58,180 --> 00:18:03,900 S1: I really was grateful that you worked in Atomic Habits 310 00:18:03,900 --> 00:18:07,859 S1: and the author of that into this, because, uh, part 311 00:18:07,859 --> 00:18:10,619 S1: of the book, when you talk about this, is that 312 00:18:10,619 --> 00:18:15,940 S1: we often go to outcome based goals. We want results. 313 00:18:16,180 --> 00:18:18,420 S1: And so we look at the results and say, well, 314 00:18:18,420 --> 00:18:20,379 S1: what how do I get from where I am to, 315 00:18:20,580 --> 00:18:26,180 S1: to over here? And you said, um, instead of creating 316 00:18:26,220 --> 00:18:32,940 S1: outcome based goals, you created identity based goals because the 317 00:18:32,940 --> 00:18:36,820 S1: outcome a lot of times the outcome based goals don't work. 318 00:18:36,859 --> 00:18:37,940 S1: Explain that to me. 319 00:18:39,260 --> 00:18:43,540 S2: So a good example with this in exercise is folks 320 00:18:43,540 --> 00:18:46,500 S2: will set a goal to run a marathon or to complete, 321 00:18:46,540 --> 00:18:50,780 S2: you know, some sort of physical goal. And sometimes they 322 00:18:50,820 --> 00:18:54,900 S2: complete that goal. But often when they do complete the goal, 323 00:18:54,900 --> 00:18:58,620 S2: they will revert back to their old habits. So we 324 00:18:58,619 --> 00:19:03,260 S2: can set a goal that has an external behavior measure. 325 00:19:03,460 --> 00:19:06,460 S2: And when we're able to check that box, a lot 326 00:19:06,460 --> 00:19:08,659 S2: of times we revert back to our old habits because 327 00:19:08,660 --> 00:19:12,020 S2: our habits are what make us who we are. Our 328 00:19:12,020 --> 00:19:13,580 S2: habits are what put us on the path to who 329 00:19:13,619 --> 00:19:18,179 S2: we're becoming. Um, so in when we think about that 330 00:19:18,180 --> 00:19:21,260 S2: with the practice of spiritual disciplines, someone might create a 331 00:19:21,300 --> 00:19:23,340 S2: goal of, I'm going to read the Bible in a year. 332 00:19:23,740 --> 00:19:27,300 S2: That's a great goal. I love that goal. But if 333 00:19:27,340 --> 00:19:30,580 S2: we change it to an identity based goal, then the 334 00:19:30,619 --> 00:19:34,340 S2: goal becomes I want to be a woman who knows 335 00:19:34,340 --> 00:19:38,899 S2: and loves the scriptures. That's the goal. So then my 336 00:19:38,900 --> 00:19:43,660 S2: habits are constantly pushing me towards that ultimate identity goal. 337 00:19:43,660 --> 00:19:45,899 S2: It's not something that I can ever really check off. 338 00:19:45,940 --> 00:19:49,860 S2: I'm never I'm never going to arrive. But instead, then 339 00:19:49,859 --> 00:19:53,820 S2: I get to keep taking tiny steps towards becoming a 340 00:19:53,820 --> 00:19:57,500 S2: woman who knows God's Word, who loves God's Word. Does 341 00:19:57,500 --> 00:19:58,300 S2: that make sense? 342 00:19:58,420 --> 00:20:02,460 S1: It does because of the the checklist that you just mentioned, 343 00:20:02,460 --> 00:20:06,900 S1: because that's the problem that I experienced early on and 344 00:20:06,900 --> 00:20:12,060 S1: have throughout the years is like spiritual disciplines are simply okay. 345 00:20:12,100 --> 00:20:14,460 S1: I spent this much time in prayer. I spend this 346 00:20:14,460 --> 00:20:17,300 S1: much time in Bible reading. I journal this, you know, 347 00:20:17,340 --> 00:20:19,980 S1: that kind of thing. And it's like I checked the 348 00:20:19,980 --> 00:20:22,180 S1: list off and I'm not, you know, I don't do 349 00:20:22,180 --> 00:20:24,700 S1: that with my wife. I don't say, okay, we spent 350 00:20:24,700 --> 00:20:27,460 S1: five minutes here talking about that, you know, I'm done, 351 00:20:27,900 --> 00:20:30,340 S1: you know, and it's a relationship, right? 352 00:20:30,900 --> 00:20:34,100 S2: Yeah. One thing that I had to reframe that I 353 00:20:34,100 --> 00:20:37,540 S2: realized I. I've for years wanted to be a woman 354 00:20:37,580 --> 00:20:39,900 S2: of prayer, a woman who prays for her husband and 355 00:20:39,900 --> 00:20:42,940 S2: her children and her family and friends. And just my 356 00:20:42,940 --> 00:20:45,340 S2: mom is someone that I look to. She is a 357 00:20:45,340 --> 00:20:49,260 S2: woman of prayer. Now, I grew up every morning seeing 358 00:20:49,260 --> 00:20:52,580 S2: her in her Bible and then praying, and I watched 359 00:20:52,580 --> 00:20:55,060 S2: her do that. And I am so thankful for that example. 360 00:20:55,380 --> 00:20:57,820 S2: But I think what that created for me was this 361 00:20:57,820 --> 00:21:00,619 S2: idea that a great woman of prayer has a prayer 362 00:21:00,619 --> 00:21:05,100 S2: closet where she is spending, you know, ideally hours in 363 00:21:05,100 --> 00:21:08,100 S2: this prayer closet with her sticky notes and her journals, 364 00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:11,460 S2: and she's tracking and recording her prayer requests and how 365 00:21:11,460 --> 00:21:14,940 S2: God's answering them. And that is not what my season 366 00:21:14,980 --> 00:21:16,980 S2: of life looks like. Believe me, I wish I could 367 00:21:16,980 --> 00:21:18,940 S2: be in a closet all by myself for an hour 368 00:21:18,980 --> 00:21:23,540 S2: every day. But. So instead I had to re-envision. Okay, 369 00:21:24,380 --> 00:21:26,739 S2: maybe someday, maybe when I'm 90, I will get to 370 00:21:26,740 --> 00:21:28,900 S2: have a prayer closet and spend an hour a day 371 00:21:28,900 --> 00:21:32,100 S2: just communing with the Lord in that space and solitude. 372 00:21:32,100 --> 00:21:35,260 S2: But right now, I can be a woman of prayer 373 00:21:35,260 --> 00:21:38,500 S2: by trying to figure out how to sew habits throughout 374 00:21:38,500 --> 00:21:43,260 S2: my day that continually bring me back to praying and 375 00:21:43,420 --> 00:21:45,619 S2: and talking with the Lord and coming before him and 376 00:21:45,619 --> 00:21:48,220 S2: just being in his presence. When I'm doing the dishes, 377 00:21:48,220 --> 00:21:51,020 S2: when I'm folding laundry, when I'm picking my kids up 378 00:21:51,020 --> 00:21:53,700 S2: from their homeschool tutorial, all these times that my hands 379 00:21:53,700 --> 00:21:56,420 S2: are busy and my mind is free, I can be 380 00:21:56,420 --> 00:22:00,860 S2: praying without ceasing. And that's how that spiritual discipline fits 381 00:22:00,859 --> 00:22:02,820 S2: in my current season of life. 382 00:22:03,380 --> 00:22:05,740 S1: You made me think of something. A meme that's gone 383 00:22:05,740 --> 00:22:08,500 S1: around of the. It's the mom who's sitting with all 384 00:22:08,500 --> 00:22:11,980 S1: the kids on the couch, and the dad is talking 385 00:22:12,020 --> 00:22:13,859 S1: to them, and he's very upset. And he said, the 386 00:22:13,859 --> 00:22:16,820 S1: next person who makes a mess in here, you know, 387 00:22:16,859 --> 00:22:19,980 S1: throws a toys around and doesn't clean it up is 388 00:22:19,980 --> 00:22:23,140 S1: going it's going straight to their room. And the mom 389 00:22:23,140 --> 00:22:26,740 S1: gets up and throws Legos on the floor and runs 390 00:22:26,740 --> 00:22:29,139 S1: out of the room. It's like, I want to be alone, 391 00:22:29,180 --> 00:22:31,900 S1: you know? and you can't love to. You can't do 392 00:22:31,900 --> 00:22:35,379 S1: that because your life is chaos right now. It's you're 393 00:22:35,380 --> 00:22:39,820 S1: pulled in 100 different directions, and that's okay. Even what 394 00:22:39,820 --> 00:22:43,140 S1: you mentioned before, we came on the program, even the trial, 395 00:22:43,180 --> 00:22:45,780 S1: the struggle with, you know, here, here it is. You 396 00:22:45,820 --> 00:22:47,860 S1: worked on this for so long, and now you got 397 00:22:47,859 --> 00:22:50,419 S1: a cold. You know, you got your coughing and you 398 00:22:50,460 --> 00:22:52,900 S1: got a cough button there so that you can do that. 399 00:22:53,300 --> 00:22:56,979 S1: But even God can use even your coughing and your, 400 00:22:56,980 --> 00:23:00,300 S1: your cold, your runny nose for his glory, can't he? 401 00:23:01,580 --> 00:23:05,220 S2: He can. And this isn't necessarily where you were growing, Chris, 402 00:23:05,220 --> 00:23:07,460 S2: but I can't not go here. So I write about 403 00:23:07,460 --> 00:23:09,179 S2: this in the book. You know, we all know the verse. 404 00:23:09,180 --> 00:23:14,500 S2: First Thessalonians 517, pray without ceasing. And I nerded out 405 00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:18,859 S2: over this verse because that word ceasing without ceasing, the 406 00:23:18,859 --> 00:23:22,980 S2: Greek phrase translated to be without ceasing, was often used 407 00:23:22,980 --> 00:23:26,380 S2: in medical journals. At that same time when Paul wrote 408 00:23:26,380 --> 00:23:31,980 S2: that scripture to describe a hacking cough, and that made 409 00:23:31,980 --> 00:23:34,500 S2: the concept for me of praying without ceasing. It changed 410 00:23:34,500 --> 00:23:38,340 S2: because I again, I used to think praying without ceasing meant, 411 00:23:38,380 --> 00:23:41,220 S2: you know, you're non-stop, you're always praying, which kind of 412 00:23:41,300 --> 00:23:45,459 S2: seems impossible. But then if you think about a hacking cough, 413 00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:49,900 S2: it's not that you're never not coughing, but it's that 414 00:23:49,900 --> 00:23:54,380 S2: the cough is very persistent and sometimes it is. It's uncontrollable. 415 00:23:54,380 --> 00:23:59,940 S2: It's automatic. It just happens. And so to start thinking, okay, Lord, 416 00:24:00,500 --> 00:24:04,899 S2: help me have a prayer life that is persistent, that 417 00:24:04,900 --> 00:24:09,700 S2: just comes out of me, that almost, you know, controls me. Um, 418 00:24:10,180 --> 00:24:12,940 S2: and how can I be doing that throughout my entire 419 00:24:12,940 --> 00:24:16,300 S2: day just to continue to be reconnected with the Lord, 420 00:24:16,460 --> 00:24:18,619 S2: that he would give me his eyes to see whatever 421 00:24:18,619 --> 00:24:19,700 S2: I'm doing in my day? 422 00:24:20,060 --> 00:24:20,540 S3: Yes. 423 00:24:21,420 --> 00:24:24,180 S1: Well, we're kind of jumping around here in the book, 424 00:24:24,180 --> 00:24:27,530 S1: but I'm so excited about this because I think what 425 00:24:27,570 --> 00:24:30,850 S1: Hannah has put her finger on is so practical, so helpful. 426 00:24:30,850 --> 00:24:32,650 S1: And we're going to get to some of those practical 427 00:24:32,650 --> 00:24:35,930 S1: tips that she has in the new book, Everyday Spiritual 428 00:24:35,930 --> 00:24:41,330 S1: Habits Small, Simple Ways to Transform Your Faith, Starting Now. 429 00:24:41,770 --> 00:24:44,690 S1: And she means it right now in the after we 430 00:24:44,690 --> 00:24:46,369 S1: take a break, she's going to come, we're going to 431 00:24:46,369 --> 00:24:48,730 S1: come back and we're going to talk about those. I 432 00:24:48,730 --> 00:24:53,130 S1: asked the question on Facebook, what spiritual habit helps you 433 00:24:53,170 --> 00:24:58,170 S1: stay connected with God and person after person talks about 434 00:24:58,170 --> 00:25:01,290 S1: reading the Bible? As Skeeter says, reading my Bible every 435 00:25:01,290 --> 00:25:04,330 S1: morning around 630 when I feed my horse. Now, I 436 00:25:04,330 --> 00:25:06,570 S1: didn't expect that one. There's something in there that I 437 00:25:06,570 --> 00:25:10,410 S1: want you to talk about. Um, I've been reading, Marilyn says. 438 00:25:10,450 --> 00:25:12,770 S1: I've been reading my Bible every day for almost 60 439 00:25:12,810 --> 00:25:16,050 S1: years now, and I'm still learning. Megan says I get 440 00:25:16,050 --> 00:25:19,290 S1: about five, and after I say good morning to the Lord, 441 00:25:19,290 --> 00:25:21,609 S1: I jump out of bed and say, this is the 442 00:25:21,609 --> 00:25:24,730 S1: day the Lord has made. Now there is a little. 443 00:25:24,770 --> 00:25:26,330 S1: And then she says, I says, get my coffee. And 444 00:25:26,330 --> 00:25:29,290 S1: I sit snuggled with my puppy and sing two worship songs. 445 00:25:29,290 --> 00:25:32,450 S1: I pray and I read the Bible. So there are 446 00:25:32,450 --> 00:25:37,570 S1: some things in there. Jolene says prayer and Barbara says 447 00:25:37,570 --> 00:25:40,689 S1: daily reading his word. Uh, and so we're going to 448 00:25:40,690 --> 00:25:45,290 S1: hear some of those spiritual disciplines that, uh, Hannah says 449 00:25:45,290 --> 00:25:48,490 S1: are habits. And we'll get to those straight ahead. This 450 00:25:48,490 --> 00:26:04,690 S1: is Chris Fabry live on Moody Radio. I am so 451 00:26:04,690 --> 00:26:08,409 S1: excited about Hannah Seymour's new book. She's an author, Bible teacher, 452 00:26:08,410 --> 00:26:15,129 S1: podcast host, and her latest is Everyday Spiritual Habits Small, 453 00:26:15,130 --> 00:26:18,969 S1: Simple Ways to Transform Your Faith, starting now. It's our 454 00:26:18,970 --> 00:26:23,570 S1: featured resource at Chris Fabry Lives. She's mentioned her dad 455 00:26:23,570 --> 00:26:28,450 S1: here and I want a full disclosure. Her father is 456 00:26:28,450 --> 00:26:31,970 S1: Michael Doctor Michael Easley, who for a long as a pastor, 457 00:26:31,970 --> 00:26:34,210 S1: he's written a number of books. He has his own 458 00:26:34,250 --> 00:26:38,530 S1: popular podcast and was president of the Moody Bible Institute 459 00:26:38,730 --> 00:26:41,850 S1: for a number of years. And, uh, so that's one 460 00:26:41,850 --> 00:26:45,090 S1: of the reasons why I knew that Hannas was coming 461 00:26:45,090 --> 00:26:46,970 S1: out with this book. And then when I got Ahold 462 00:26:46,970 --> 00:26:50,209 S1: of it, it started getting Ahold of me, and I thought, 463 00:26:50,210 --> 00:26:52,530 S1: I want to bring it to you today, because my 464 00:26:52,570 --> 00:26:56,010 S1: guess is there's somebody listening, male or female. But you're 465 00:26:56,010 --> 00:27:01,090 S1: writing especially to, uh, women, Christian women. There's somebody who's 466 00:27:01,090 --> 00:27:03,850 S1: listening who has been beat down and defeated. They feel 467 00:27:03,850 --> 00:27:06,810 S1: ashamed because they don't spend as much time in God's 468 00:27:06,810 --> 00:27:09,649 S1: Word as they want to. They're part of that 65%. 469 00:27:09,690 --> 00:27:12,330 S1: I just I want to and I just and and 470 00:27:12,330 --> 00:27:16,330 S1: what you're saying is there are some habits, some spiritual 471 00:27:16,330 --> 00:27:20,850 S1: habits we can build into our lives. So take us 472 00:27:20,850 --> 00:27:23,170 S1: into some of those. I like what Peter said about 473 00:27:23,210 --> 00:27:26,250 S1: reading the Bible when he's while he's feeding his horse. 474 00:27:26,290 --> 00:27:28,450 S1: It can be as simple as that, can't it? 475 00:27:28,770 --> 00:27:31,850 S4: Yeah. I love that picture so much. 476 00:27:31,890 --> 00:27:34,770 S2: I now I need, I need a painting of a 477 00:27:34,770 --> 00:27:37,450 S2: man feeding his horse with his Bible in one hand 478 00:27:38,090 --> 00:27:41,050 S2: and his horse feed in the other. Um, the science 479 00:27:41,050 --> 00:27:45,850 S2: of habit formation. So just how we create sticky habits 480 00:27:45,850 --> 00:27:48,050 S2: tells us there's kind of a formula to this, and 481 00:27:48,050 --> 00:27:51,209 S2: it's that we have to take the desired habit, the 482 00:27:51,210 --> 00:27:55,330 S2: desired behavior, the desired goal, and make it small, make 483 00:27:55,330 --> 00:27:58,770 S2: it easy, make it fit into our day in a 484 00:27:58,770 --> 00:28:01,090 S2: way that we are prompted to do it. And then 485 00:28:01,130 --> 00:28:04,730 S2: we let it grow. So when people talk about man, 486 00:28:04,730 --> 00:28:08,250 S2: I want consistency in Bible reading. I've never read the 487 00:28:08,250 --> 00:28:11,210 S2: Bible every day of my life and we say, well, 488 00:28:11,210 --> 00:28:13,290 S2: you need to wake up earlier and you need to 489 00:28:13,330 --> 00:28:16,410 S2: go sit in a quiet room in solitude and spend, 490 00:28:16,450 --> 00:28:20,369 S2: you know, 15 minutes. That is too much for some 491 00:28:20,369 --> 00:28:23,609 S2: folks to to tackle all at once. And so some 492 00:28:23,609 --> 00:28:26,490 S2: of the seed habits. That's what I call these tiny 493 00:28:26,530 --> 00:28:31,210 S2: habits that we sprinkle throughout our day. Specifically for scripture reading, um, 494 00:28:31,250 --> 00:28:35,250 S2: the horse feeding is so incredible. Similarly, but not as exciting. 495 00:28:35,410 --> 00:28:37,730 S2: I one of the ideas I give is after I 496 00:28:37,730 --> 00:28:40,370 S2: start the coffee maker so that that's where it fits 497 00:28:40,370 --> 00:28:42,570 S2: into your day. That's your prompt. I've pressed the power 498 00:28:42,570 --> 00:28:46,050 S2: on the coffee maker, and I will read my Bible, 499 00:28:46,250 --> 00:28:49,450 S2: and I write about how leave your open Bible next 500 00:28:49,450 --> 00:28:53,250 S2: to your coffee machine. It's there. You have your environment, 501 00:28:53,250 --> 00:28:57,490 S2: help you get these habits into your into your system, 502 00:28:57,490 --> 00:28:59,170 S2: into your day. So you're going to read your Bible 503 00:28:59,170 --> 00:29:02,170 S2: while your coffee brews. Um, another idea that I give 504 00:29:02,170 --> 00:29:04,970 S2: people is when you are brushing your teeth, you know, 505 00:29:05,010 --> 00:29:08,450 S2: hopefully you brush your teeth twice a day. And most 506 00:29:08,450 --> 00:29:11,330 S2: of us, I hope, maybe brush it for, let's say, 507 00:29:11,330 --> 00:29:14,210 S2: two minutes a day. That could be four minutes of 508 00:29:14,210 --> 00:29:18,050 S2: Scripture reading. Now I hear the naysayers going, four minutes 509 00:29:18,050 --> 00:29:20,890 S2: of scripture reading. What can that do? Well, One four 510 00:29:20,890 --> 00:29:24,969 S2: minutes of Scripture reading times 365. Chris, I am a 511 00:29:24,970 --> 00:29:27,210 S2: homeschool mom, so I should be able to do that 512 00:29:27,210 --> 00:29:28,930 S2: math right off the top of my head. But we're 513 00:29:28,930 --> 00:29:31,170 S2: just we're just going to keep going. It's a lot 514 00:29:31,170 --> 00:29:36,150 S2: of minutes. If you never had consistent Bible reading four 515 00:29:36,150 --> 00:29:38,970 S2: minutes a day, two minutes a day is an amazing 516 00:29:38,970 --> 00:29:41,730 S2: place to start and it will grow. The science of 517 00:29:41,730 --> 00:29:45,090 S2: habit formation says it'll grow, and Scripture tells us it'll 518 00:29:45,090 --> 00:29:48,130 S2: grow because we have the Holy Spirit, you know, coming 519 00:29:48,130 --> 00:29:51,170 S2: in and behind us and through us and and essentially 520 00:29:51,210 --> 00:29:55,210 S2: fanning the flame to these things. Um, what what other 521 00:29:55,410 --> 00:29:57,250 S2: what other ideas do you want, Chris? What do we want? 522 00:29:57,250 --> 00:29:57,490 S2: To talk. 523 00:29:57,530 --> 00:29:59,850 S1: You tell the story of Billy Graham, that having the 524 00:29:59,850 --> 00:30:03,330 S1: Bible out next to the coffee maker. You tell the 525 00:30:03,330 --> 00:30:05,969 S1: story of him walking from room to room, and as 526 00:30:05,970 --> 00:30:08,490 S1: he goes in the kitchen, he's. He sees something in 527 00:30:08,490 --> 00:30:10,969 S1: the scripture, and he's reading it. You you got that 528 00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:12,050 S1: from him, didn't you? 529 00:30:12,850 --> 00:30:13,850 S4: I sure did. 530 00:30:13,850 --> 00:30:16,770 S2: So his grandson tells the story about how he sees 531 00:30:16,770 --> 00:30:20,130 S2: his granddad walk in the living room, and Billy Graham 532 00:30:20,130 --> 00:30:23,730 S2: had open Bibles in every room of his house. And 533 00:30:23,730 --> 00:30:26,570 S2: so his grandson sees him stop at one for just 534 00:30:27,090 --> 00:30:30,090 S2: a few seconds, walks onto the kitchen. He comes back 535 00:30:30,090 --> 00:30:32,530 S2: to the living room again, stops, just reads for a 536 00:30:32,530 --> 00:30:36,250 S2: few seconds, starts walking upstairs, and his grandson Roy says, 537 00:30:36,290 --> 00:30:38,610 S2: you know what? Could you have gotten out of the 538 00:30:38,610 --> 00:30:42,170 S2: Bible in that short amount of time? And Billy Graham said, 539 00:30:42,170 --> 00:30:49,410 S2: I sip on the Word of God all day long. And, Chris, 540 00:30:49,570 --> 00:30:52,530 S2: a lot of us I am in this camp, have 541 00:30:52,530 --> 00:30:55,490 S2: spent years of our lives opening our Bibles in the morning. 542 00:30:55,490 --> 00:30:59,210 S2: Maybe we spend 30 minutes an hour and we close it, 543 00:30:59,650 --> 00:31:02,490 S2: and honestly, we don't think about it until the next day. 544 00:31:03,770 --> 00:31:07,010 S2: Would you rather do that, or would you rather sip 545 00:31:07,010 --> 00:31:10,410 S2: on the Word of God all day long, allowing it 546 00:31:10,410 --> 00:31:15,130 S2: to transform you and change your thoughts and your actions 547 00:31:15,130 --> 00:31:17,969 S2: and the way you see the world around you? I mean, 548 00:31:18,930 --> 00:31:21,250 S2: I just love that. Let's just sip on God's word 549 00:31:21,450 --> 00:31:21,850 S2: all day. 550 00:31:21,890 --> 00:31:26,530 S1: I found that just having a verse or, you know, 551 00:31:26,570 --> 00:31:29,410 S1: memorization helps there. But I saw this verse the other 552 00:31:29,410 --> 00:31:33,410 S1: day over the weekend in Second Peter, and it just 553 00:31:33,410 --> 00:31:36,490 S1: has been rolling around. And so I've got a pocket, 554 00:31:36,530 --> 00:31:39,130 S1: I wear Carhartt shirts. And so I put in my pocket, 555 00:31:39,130 --> 00:31:42,130 S1: I put these, you know, things that if I go 556 00:31:42,130 --> 00:31:43,970 S1: to the store, I need to pick this up. And 557 00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:47,010 S1: I remember to do this and talk with Hannah today 558 00:31:47,010 --> 00:31:50,090 S1: and all that. But I wrote down just along with 559 00:31:50,090 --> 00:31:53,490 S1: everything else that's on this, uh, three by five card, 560 00:31:53,690 --> 00:31:58,290 S1: people are enslaved by whatever defeats them. And I looked 561 00:31:58,290 --> 00:32:00,730 S1: at that. It's like I've read Second Peter a lot, 562 00:32:00,770 --> 00:32:03,650 S1: and I don't remember seeing that, especially in that, you know, 563 00:32:03,690 --> 00:32:08,610 S1: translated that way. People are enslaved by whatever defeats them. 564 00:32:08,890 --> 00:32:12,770 S1: So I started to think about it. What is what 565 00:32:12,770 --> 00:32:17,850 S1: is defeating me that has enslaved me, you know, in 566 00:32:17,890 --> 00:32:20,770 S1: my own life, or maybe in an attitude that I've 567 00:32:20,770 --> 00:32:23,290 S1: had a habit that I have, that I always go 568 00:32:23,290 --> 00:32:26,290 S1: to the negative or I get cynical about this or that. 569 00:32:26,570 --> 00:32:30,650 S1: What is what is defeating me and just having that 570 00:32:30,650 --> 00:32:32,729 S1: in my pocket that I pull out and look at, 571 00:32:32,730 --> 00:32:35,570 S1: it's like, yeah, I can see it a lot easier 572 00:32:35,570 --> 00:32:38,050 S1: in others than I can in myself. And this is 573 00:32:38,050 --> 00:32:42,050 S1: a way to know yourself better as well as grow 574 00:32:42,050 --> 00:32:43,610 S1: closer to God, don't you think? 575 00:32:45,050 --> 00:32:48,610 S2: Absolutely. So in my book I talk about memorizing. So 576 00:32:48,610 --> 00:32:54,770 S2: the chapter on biblical intake talks about reading, studying, hearing, meditating, 577 00:32:54,770 --> 00:32:58,010 S2: and memorizing. And there's probably other forms of biblical intake 578 00:32:58,010 --> 00:33:00,330 S2: that I could have talked about. But for me, those 579 00:33:00,330 --> 00:33:04,250 S2: have been the five most transformative in my current season 580 00:33:04,290 --> 00:33:08,250 S2: of life and memorizing and meditating. They really go hand 581 00:33:08,290 --> 00:33:11,450 S2: in hand. But I think it was Robert Morgan who 582 00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:13,930 S2: said something like, you know, when we meditate on Scripture, 583 00:33:13,930 --> 00:33:18,080 S2: it's like we're putting a radioactive speck of something in 584 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,680 S2: our brains. It has that much power. You know, if 585 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,360 S2: these are the very words of God, that means these 586 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,680 S2: are the best words ever recorded. So why wouldn't I 587 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,920 S2: want to start putting those in my brain, either through 588 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,440 S2: memorization or meditation? Um. And it truly can change us. 589 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,920 S2: I tell a story in the book about how I 590 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:42,240 S2: started memorizing and meditating. A couple phrases from Psalm 127 591 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,760 S2: and they are children are a blessing from the Lord, 592 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,560 S2: and children are a reward. Now, you know, as a 593 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,640 S2: God fearing woman, you would think that I. I do 594 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,760 S2: believe that. But sometimes, sometimes my flesh takes over and 595 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,000 S2: my kids can really get under my skin, right? And 596 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,560 S2: I realized I was having negative thoughts that I did 597 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,920 S2: not like that were not true. And so I decided, 598 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,719 S2: I'm going to combat these with God's Word. And, you know, 599 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,560 S2: I mean, I tell a silly story in there, but 600 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,960 S2: the point is that memorizing and meditating on those verses 601 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,000 S2: really did transform my thought life. When it came to 602 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,560 S2: some of the challenges I was having with my own kids. 603 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,440 S1: Tell people what you do when you put your slippers 604 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:26,320 S1: on in the morning. 605 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,279 S2: So that's my good morning submission prayer. So again, we're 606 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,920 S2: making small, easy habits that fit into our everyday life. 607 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,600 S2: So I one of my long term identity goals is 608 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,000 S2: I want to be a 90 year old woman who 609 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,640 S2: the she wakes up, her eyes open in her bed, 610 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,200 S2: and the first thing she thinks is, you know, good 611 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,480 S2: morning Lord, you woke me up again. I am here 612 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,360 S2: to serve you. So how do I get there? So 613 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,040 S2: because my mind. I don't know about yours, but it's 614 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,319 S2: not very sharp. When I first opened my eyes in 615 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,160 S2: the morning. But I thought, okay, the first thing I 616 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,759 S2: do when I get out of bed is I put 617 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,480 S2: my slippers on. So that's going to be my prompt, 618 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,240 S2: that's my cue. That's how I quote unquote fit it 619 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,080 S2: into my life. And when I put my slippers on, 620 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,680 S2: that's the prompt that says, okay, it's time for you 621 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,480 S2: to connect to the Lord, and I pray, good morning Lord, 622 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,160 S2: this is your day. Help me to live this day 623 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,400 S2: for you. Not my will, but yours. Be done. It's 624 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,040 S2: going to be a great day. And even that last 625 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,360 S2: phrase for me has been a an act of faith. 626 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,920 S2: And I'm just not I'm not a this is going 627 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,719 S2: to be the best day ever type of person. When 628 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,480 S2: I wake up in the morning and I thought, no, 629 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,759 S2: this is the day the Lord has made. He gave 630 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,399 S2: me breath. This morning he woke me up. This is 631 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,160 S2: a great day to serve the Lord. No matter what's 632 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,520 S2: going on in our world, no matter what's happening in 633 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,160 S2: my external circumstances, it's a great day in God's Kingdom. 634 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:58,760 S1: Make it small, make it easy, make it fit and 635 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,160 S1: let it grow. So how has that, uh, the slipper 636 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,400 S1: prayer that you do every day? How has that helped 637 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,840 S1: you grow, has grown in your life? 638 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,759 S2: Well, I think more the growth has happened more in 639 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,920 S2: my attitude and perspective and how my morning goes, rather 640 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,640 S2: than like I spend more time praying in that moment 641 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,359 S2: when I put my slippers on. And that's the let 642 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,919 S2: it grow. It can be that, you know, your two 643 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,800 S2: minutes of Bible reading does expand to ten and then 20, 644 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,600 S2: but it can also be that you're maybe you already 645 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:37,080 S2: have 30 minutes of daily study and reading time in 646 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,880 S2: the scriptures, and so you're letting it grow by adding 647 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,360 S2: on that memorization piece at the end or your meditation. 648 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,480 S2: So for my slipper prayer, I would say the growth 649 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,359 S2: isn't necessarily doing something for longer or even doing something else, 650 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,040 S2: but it just kind of sets me up. I now 651 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,200 S2: walk into, you know, my kitchen and start getting my 652 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,160 S2: coffee and and I'm already tethered to the Lord I'm 653 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,400 S2: already thinking about as the thoughts of the day rush, 654 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,239 S2: rush in on what I have to do that day. 655 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,640 S2: It's like, okay, Lord, give me your eyes. Show me 656 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,719 S2: what is important. Show me what doesn't it matter? I 657 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,480 S2: want kingdom perspective, not earthly perspective. Um, so that one. 658 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,920 S2: I really think the growth is more just an overall 659 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,480 S2: eternal perspective in my mornings. 660 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:20,000 S3: Yes. 661 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,560 S1: And you're going to put your slippers on anyway, so 662 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,560 S1: why not tie it to something where you're connecting with 663 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,799 S1: him and then find those things throughout the day? I 664 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,160 S1: love it this kind of practical help everyday spiritual habits. 665 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,040 S1: It comes out today. It's out today. Hannah Seymour is 666 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:43,279 S1: our guest. It's subtitled Small Simple Ways to Transform Your Faith, 667 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:49,239 S1: starting now. Featured resource at Chris. Org click through today's information. 668 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,839 S1: You'll see it right there at Chris dot. There is 669 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,640 S1: more practical help for you to connect your heart with 670 00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:10,320 S1: God's heart. Straight ahead on Moody Radio. Hannah Seymour. Remember 671 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:15,240 S1: that name? S e y mou. Everyday Spiritual Habits is 672 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,880 S1: the book it's out today. Small, simple ways to transform 673 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,920 S1: your faith starting now. One of the things that I 674 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,120 S1: found really helpful was in the very back of the book, 675 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:30,720 S1: you have a spiritual health check, a no judgment self assessment. 676 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,360 S1: And so let me just go through some of these 677 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,280 S1: questions and then some of the answers in this season 678 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,680 S1: of life, as you listen here today, I am more 679 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:48,920 S1: often in this season of life what energized, exhausted, joyful, bitter, peaceful. Anxious, 680 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,240 S1: able to control myself, quick to lose control. And there more. 681 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,640 S1: Next question. When was the last time I read my 682 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,480 S1: Bible in a way that actually impacted me? Or my 683 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:03,920 S1: day today, within the last week, within the last month, 684 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:09,239 S1: it's been a while. Several months, a long time. When 685 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,480 S1: was the last time you prayed in such a way 686 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,760 S1: that made you feel connected to God, deepened your trust 687 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,160 S1: in him, and gave you greater peace and joy about 688 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,759 S1: your circumstances? Was that today? Last week, last month? It's 689 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,319 S1: been a while. When was the last time you were 690 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,400 S1: aware of God's presence with you? In an ordinary moment 691 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,640 S1: of the day? Was it today, within the last week month? 692 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,120 S1: And explain that when you say aware of God's presence, 693 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,440 S1: because that's one of the habits that you have, well, 694 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,200 S1: it's what the slippers is all about. It's like God 695 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,799 S1: is here. I, I'm acknowledging that you could do that 696 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,960 S1: at meal time or feeding your horse or whatever, but 697 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,680 S1: I'm glad. What do you mean about presence? 698 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,680 S5: I'm glad that you asked. Because as you read the prayer. 699 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,000 S2: One about, you know, feel connected and God's presence, I 700 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,960 S2: was like, man, this sounds super touchy feely and I 701 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,440 S2: don't mean it to be, you know, because for me, 702 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,440 S2: an aha moment was I heard, um, a man that 703 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,080 S2: actually my dad was interviewing on his podcast and he said, 704 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,960 S2: you know, the Lord wants to chop vegetables with you. 705 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,279 S2: Christ wants to mow your lawn with you. And that 706 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,719 S2: may sound goofy to some people, but if you think 707 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,280 S2: about it, God is always with you, and every moment 708 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,000 S2: of this physical life can be wholly unto him. Holiness 709 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,440 S2: just means set apart. And so this idea of the 710 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,760 S2: Lord is always with you. I think it's more about 711 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,920 S2: eternal perspective and about abiding that when I write about 712 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,440 S2: practicing God's presence, I really hang my hat in John 713 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,560 S2: 15 where Christ talks about abide in me and I 714 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,640 S2: will abide in you. Do you? Are you abiding in 715 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,520 S2: the Lord when you go about your ordinary, everyday life. 716 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,760 S1: And it is him working in you? This inner transformation 717 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,439 S1: is not something you can do on your own. It's 718 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,960 S1: not something if you try harder. You know, if I 719 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,280 S1: go from one hour to 2 or 3 hours doing, 720 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,759 S1: you know, I grit my teeth, then I'm going to 721 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:16,320 S1: be spiritually healthy. No, it's about God at work in 722 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,480 S1: you for transformation. And the the dependence analogy I thought 723 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,080 S1: was really good because as you said, as a mom, 724 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,680 S1: I'm trying to launch my children to become independent, to 725 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:31,640 S1: become mature. But God is doing the opposite for you 726 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:32,719 S1: and me. Right. 727 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,600 S2: That's right. You know, the Lord is not trying to 728 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:42,120 S2: launch independent adults. He's trying to cultivate a deeper dependence 729 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:47,280 S2: on him every single day. So I think the most mature, 730 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,240 S2: the most seasoned, the most, you know, wise aged follower 731 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:57,279 S2: of Christ is just more aware and deeply dependent on 732 00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,280 S2: the Lord for every moment of their day. 733 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:00,200 S3: Yeah. 734 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,080 S1: There's a sailboat analogy that you give that I just 735 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,440 S1: found really, really helpful. And it kind of blew the 736 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,000 S1: wind in my sails. Can you tell us about that? 737 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,800 S2: Well, Chris, now you're stumping me. Okay. 738 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,319 S3: Was it that was my goal. Is it? That's my goal. 739 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,160 S2: I talked about the rudder kind of being our. 740 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,400 S3: Part and that's it. 741 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,319 S2: Okay, okay. You know, you kind of sometimes forget what 742 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,520 S2: made the book and what got cuts. Like what? What 743 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,600 S2: are we, uh, 200 pages. It's hard to remember everything 744 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,839 S2: I put in there. Um, okay, so the practice of 745 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,600 S2: spiritual disciplines, when we think about, you know, those these 746 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,719 S2: are intentional things that you and I can do that 747 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,680 S2: just help us know and love God. They sustain fellowship 748 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,000 S2: with him, and they shape us to reflect his character. 749 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,759 S2: But but there is a part that I have to do, right? 750 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,839 S2: I have to decide to open my Bible and read 751 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,680 S2: it while I'm feeding my horse. I have to decide 752 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,799 S2: to pray while I'm loading the dishwasher. That's the rudder 753 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:02,109 S2: on a sailboat that is going to put us on 754 00:43:02,110 --> 00:43:05,310 S2: a direction of where we're going, but then the Holy 755 00:43:05,310 --> 00:43:09,469 S2: Spirit is what fills the sails and actually puts, for 756 00:43:09,469 --> 00:43:12,710 S2: lack of better words, wind in Our Sails actually empowers 757 00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:16,710 S2: and moves us down the path that we are seeking, 758 00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:19,870 S2: which of course is just greater intimacy with the father. 759 00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:20,390 S3: Yes. 760 00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:25,390 S1: And you use Dallas Willard, uh, practical spiritual disciplines to 761 00:43:25,390 --> 00:43:30,350 S1: practice those spiritual disciplines, then receive the Holy Spirit at 762 00:43:30,350 --> 00:43:33,750 S1: work in you. And the very the final corner of 763 00:43:33,790 --> 00:43:39,870 S1: that triangle, though, is is enduring trials, is accepting the 764 00:43:39,870 --> 00:43:42,910 S1: struggles of life which you're going through with the, you know, 765 00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:44,870 S1: the cold that you have on this great day that 766 00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:49,029 S1: the book comes out. Um, but you embrace that as well, 767 00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:51,870 S1: and you receive that God is teaching me something through 768 00:43:51,870 --> 00:43:52,629 S1: the trial. 769 00:43:53,710 --> 00:43:57,710 S2: That's right. Yeah. Dallas Willard's his golden triangle. It's the 770 00:43:57,710 --> 00:44:00,470 S2: practice of spiritual disciplines, the work of the Holy Spirit, 771 00:44:00,469 --> 00:44:03,189 S2: and a faithful acceptance of everyday problems. And he says 772 00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:08,310 S2: that's that's the golden triangle to spiritual formation, to spiritual growth. And, um, 773 00:44:08,310 --> 00:44:11,310 S2: I talk about in that part, talking about accepting trials 774 00:44:11,310 --> 00:44:14,750 S2: and tribulations again back in John 15. I can't get 775 00:44:14,750 --> 00:44:17,870 S2: enough of that chapter. Jesus talking about I'm the vine 776 00:44:17,870 --> 00:44:20,390 S2: and you are the branches. And I look at how 777 00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:24,870 S2: grapes actually have to have rocks and gravel and things 778 00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:29,190 S2: in their soil that causes them to have challenge, something 779 00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:31,230 S2: that resists a little bit so that they have to 780 00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:35,030 S2: work hard to actually produce fruit. If you gave grapes 781 00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:37,669 S2: the perfect environment, all the sun and water they need, 782 00:44:37,710 --> 00:44:40,630 S2: and there were not any rocks or gravel in their soil, 783 00:44:41,150 --> 00:44:43,750 S2: they would grow big and green and leafy, but they 784 00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:47,710 S2: would not produce any grapes. And so just thinking about, well, 785 00:44:47,710 --> 00:44:50,990 S2: if God calls himself the vine dresser, he is going 786 00:44:50,989 --> 00:44:55,430 S2: to use rocks and gravel and maybe unwanted things in 787 00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:59,230 S2: our soil that he's planted us in To allow us 788 00:44:59,230 --> 00:45:01,589 S2: to bear fruit for him to grow him more into 789 00:45:01,630 --> 00:45:02,589 S2: his likeness. 790 00:45:03,790 --> 00:45:08,150 S1: There's a there's a tone. There's a feeling that I get, Hannah, 791 00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:11,669 S1: as I went through this of just an arm around 792 00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:14,590 S1: the shoulder. It's like you're you're going to be okay. 793 00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:17,870 S1: It's it's all right. Just. Just dip your toe in 794 00:45:17,870 --> 00:45:21,350 S1: the water, put your slippers on and brush your teeth 795 00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:25,750 S1: and bring him into your day and begin this process. 796 00:45:25,790 --> 00:45:29,069 S1: You know, you may come out at 60 or 70 797 00:45:29,110 --> 00:45:33,030 S1: or or older and, and have a quiet time where 798 00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:35,750 S1: you're spending an hour in God's Word and you're looking 799 00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:38,549 S1: up the Greek and the Hebrew. But right now, in 800 00:45:38,590 --> 00:45:41,990 S1: the in the middle of where you are, just invite 801 00:45:41,989 --> 00:45:45,390 S1: him in. And this is such a helpful thing that 802 00:45:45,390 --> 00:45:49,990 S1: the idea of habits, rather than trying hard and making God, 803 00:45:50,190 --> 00:45:53,230 S1: you know, happy with you and he's he's upset with you. 804 00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:56,270 S1: And at the portals of heaven, with his arms crossed 805 00:45:56,270 --> 00:45:59,510 S1: and Austin frowning. Because you didn't spend all that time there. 806 00:45:59,950 --> 00:46:04,150 S1: Invite him in and let him let the spirit blow 807 00:46:04,190 --> 00:46:07,630 S1: the the sails so that you're moving toward him. Very, 808 00:46:07,630 --> 00:46:10,670 S1: very helpful. Thank you, thank you, thank you for spending 809 00:46:10,670 --> 00:46:13,670 S1: the hour with us today. It's been, uh, been really helpful. 810 00:46:15,830 --> 00:46:18,910 S2: Oh, Chris. Absolutely. My joy and my pleasure. Thanks for 811 00:46:18,910 --> 00:46:19,590 S2: having me. 812 00:46:19,989 --> 00:46:23,629 S1: Her name is Hannah Seymour, and the book is Everyday 813 00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:29,230 S1: Spiritual Habits small, Simple Ways to Transform Your Faith, starting now. Again, 814 00:46:29,230 --> 00:46:33,910 S1: it's not about, uh, it is all about inner transformation 815 00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:37,870 S1: and moving closer to God's heart again. You'll see a 816 00:46:37,870 --> 00:46:42,590 S1: link at Chris Fabry live.com. Click through today's information Everyday 817 00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:45,430 S1: Spiritual habits. And tomorrow we're going to help you get 818 00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:47,989 S1: some sleep if you have a baby in the house. 819 00:46:48,030 --> 00:46:51,950 S1: Chris Fabry lives production of Moody Radio, ministry of Moody 820 00:46:51,950 --> 00:46:53,150 S1: Bible Institute.