WEBVTT - Life on the Gaza Border 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:11.180 She grew up in the suburbs of Chicago, but then 0:00:11.180 --> 0:00:15.050 moved to southern Israel. Deborah's first hand account of life 0:00:15.050 --> 0:00:18.920 on the Gaza border and the October 7th attack is chilling, 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:22.460 but today she also shares disturbing evidence of how hatred 0:00:22.460 --> 0:00:26.390 for Jews is instilled in the youngest of Palestinian children. 0:00:26.420 --> 0:00:28.910 This is an eye opening conversation I promise you'll be 0:00:28.910 --> 0:00:31.840 sharing over dinner, so join us now for the land 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:35.050 and the book. Middle East expert and author Doctor Charlie 0:00:35.050 --> 0:00:38.650 Dyer is our host. I'm John Gager, and no surprise 0:00:38.650 --> 0:00:40.780 that Israel has been in the news a lot over 0:00:40.780 --> 0:00:43.150 the last year. And as we know, the Bible is 0:00:43.150 --> 0:00:46.960 jam packed with end times prophecies about epic world events, 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:50.110 the regathering of the Jewish people to their ancient homeland, 0:00:50.110 --> 0:00:53.309 and Jesus returned. It is crucial, though, for us as 0:00:53.310 --> 0:00:56.940 believers to have a proper understanding of Bible prophecy. Why? 0:00:56.970 --> 0:00:59.820 So our view of the future is shaped by Scripture, 0:00:59.820 --> 0:01:02.730 not today's headlines. Boy, Charlie, I think that's critical. 0:01:02.730 --> 0:01:05.220 I think so too, John. In fact, with this in mind, 0:01:05.220 --> 0:01:08.069 our friends at Life in Messiah have published a book 0:01:08.069 --> 0:01:12.180 titled God, Israel and Bible Prophecy, and they're offering it 0:01:12.180 --> 0:01:13.920 to listeners of the land and the book for a 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:17.970 limited time. This informative book is focused on providing readers 0:01:17.970 --> 0:01:22.020 with a deeper understanding and greater appreciation of what God 0:01:22.020 --> 0:01:25.110 has in store for Israel and the nations by digging 0:01:25.110 --> 0:01:28.050 into what the scriptures say about these issues. If you're 0:01:28.050 --> 0:01:30.990 interested in learning more about what God has in store, 0:01:30.990 --> 0:01:34.890 visit Life in Messiah. Org and click on the Moody 0:01:34.890 --> 0:01:37.740 Radio button there to find out how you can receive 0:01:37.740 --> 0:01:42.440 your copy of God, Israel and Bible Prophecy. That's life 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:44.270 in messiah.org. 0:01:44.300 --> 0:01:46.250 If this is your first time with us, the land 0:01:46.250 --> 0:01:48.560 and the book is divided into four segments. This first 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:51.920 one devoted to current events from the Middle East. Israel's 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:55.880 current government seems to be moving closer, Charlie, to dissolving 0:01:55.880 --> 0:02:00.050 over multiple issues, including the cease fire talks with Hamas. 0:02:00.050 --> 0:02:02.570 What might the future hold for Israel in terms of 0:02:02.570 --> 0:02:03.740 new elections? 0:02:03.740 --> 0:02:06.610 You know, right now Israel needs to be united against 0:02:06.610 --> 0:02:09.820 all the threats it faces. But petty bickering and party 0:02:09.820 --> 0:02:13.510 politics are once again on the rise there. Those in 0:02:13.510 --> 0:02:16.480 the opposition in the Knesset seem to be using every 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:21.340 opportunity to attack Netanyahu's policies and his character. Following the 0:02:21.340 --> 0:02:25.359 assassination attempt on Donald Trump, an Israeli government secretary presented 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:29.910 a compilation of video clips showing opponents of Netanyahu deriding 0:02:29.910 --> 0:02:32.610 him as a traitor, as Satan, as an enemy of 0:02:32.610 --> 0:02:36.450 the people. Some threatened violence against him, including one who said, 0:02:36.450 --> 0:02:39.570 if the hostages aren't brought home, we'll be waiting with 0:02:39.570 --> 0:02:43.260 a noose. Those are shocking. But the real shock was 0:02:43.260 --> 0:02:46.260 the response of the head of the opposition, who slammed 0:02:46.260 --> 0:02:49.709 Netanyahu for allowing the concern to even be raised, calling 0:02:49.710 --> 0:02:52.920 him a crybaby and a coward. Another member of the 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:56.730 opposition predicted that Netanyahu will dissolve the Knesset and call 0:02:56.730 --> 0:03:00.270 for elections in November. That individual has also been meeting 0:03:00.270 --> 0:03:03.900 with former Prime Minister Naftali Bennett to discuss strategy for 0:03:03.900 --> 0:03:08.550 replacing Netanyahu. A recent poll suggests a right wing coalition 0:03:08.550 --> 0:03:13.589 led by Naftali Bennett could possibly unseat Netanyahu. The problem 0:03:13.590 --> 0:03:16.200 is that each of the parties in such a coalition 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:18.950 is led by an individual who also wants to be 0:03:18.950 --> 0:03:22.609 prime minister. Perhaps more worrisome, though, for the current government, 0:03:22.610 --> 0:03:26.809 is the disunity within the coalition itself. After the failure 0:03:26.810 --> 0:03:31.070 of the so-called rabbis Bill last month, some ultra-Orthodox lawmakers 0:03:31.070 --> 0:03:33.980 say they can no longer rely on Netanyahu to look 0:03:33.980 --> 0:03:37.370 out for their interests, and Ben-Gvir and his party have 0:03:37.370 --> 0:03:40.700 refused to back any bills unless he's given a seat 0:03:40.700 --> 0:03:44.110 on the now disbanded War Cabinet. The leader of the 0:03:44.110 --> 0:03:48.430 Shas party called Ben-Gvir an inflated balloon, and he responded 0:03:48.430 --> 0:03:51.040 by calling the leader of Shas a lap dog of 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:54.580 the left. This kind of animosity within the coalition is 0:03:54.580 --> 0:03:58.450 paralyzing the legislative process. Whether it's going to be a 0:03:58.450 --> 0:04:01.780 ceasefire agreement with Hamas or the military draft of the 0:04:01.780 --> 0:04:06.690 ultra-Orthodox or upcoming budget negotiations, or a number of other 0:04:06.690 --> 0:04:11.250 contentious issues, something could soon bring about a no confidence 0:04:11.250 --> 0:04:13.680 vote in the government, and that will then lead to 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:14.730 new elections. 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:16.740 And what about the impact of all of this on 0:04:16.740 --> 0:04:18.330 the current conflict with Hamas? 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:22.890 Well, it's giving Hamas hope. They are being defeated militarily. 0:04:22.890 --> 0:04:26.490 But as they look at Israel's disarray, they know if 0:04:26.490 --> 0:04:28.800 they can hold out just a little bit longer, perhaps 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:32.039 the government will collapse. And that's the sad part. When 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.760 there's not unity. It really does give comfort to the enemy. 0:04:35.790 --> 0:04:40.230 Another disturbing observation here Russia has been growing closer to 0:04:40.230 --> 0:04:44.279 Islamic countries like Syria, Iran and Turkey. But is this 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:47.670 because they share strategic interests in the Middle East, or 0:04:47.670 --> 0:04:50.130 are other factors also drawing them closer? 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:52.890 You know, we've said before, Russia, Iran and Turkey do 0:04:52.890 --> 0:04:55.609 share strategic interests in the Middle East. They want to 0:04:55.610 --> 0:04:58.610 form a new axis of influence that will push the 0:04:58.610 --> 0:05:01.760 United States out of the region and allow them to dominate. 0:05:01.790 --> 0:05:04.669 Of course, each country has its own vision of what 0:05:04.670 --> 0:05:07.640 a change ought to look like, with each seeing itself 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:11.570 as the dominant power. Erdogan from Turkey, wants to rebuild 0:05:11.570 --> 0:05:14.990 the old Ottoman Empire, a Sunni caliphate, with him at 0:05:14.990 --> 0:05:18.429 the helm. Iran wants to rebuild a Shiite version of 0:05:18.430 --> 0:05:22.870 the ancient Persian empire extending from Iran to the Mediterranean Sea, 0:05:22.870 --> 0:05:27.520 while dominating the Persian Gulf region and obliterating the Jewish state. 0:05:27.580 --> 0:05:31.420 Russia wants to keep the Shiites and Sunnis in equilibrium 0:05:31.420 --> 0:05:35.349 by extending its influence among the more moderate Islamic states 0:05:35.350 --> 0:05:39.159 like Syria, Egypt, and the Gulf states. But Russia is 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:43.200 also facing a serious internal problem that could upend all 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:47.039 of Putin's plans. And Islamic time bomb is ticking within 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:52.080 Russia itself. In 1991, the Soviet Union had 120 mosques. 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.870 Over the next 20 years, that number exploded to over 0:05:54.870 --> 0:05:59.610 8000 and continues increasing in the next 15 years. It's 0:05:59.610 --> 0:06:03.660 very possible that the majority population in cities like Moscow 0:06:03.660 --> 0:06:06.900 and Saint Petersburg will be Muslim, the imam of the 0:06:06.900 --> 0:06:10.980 Grand Mosque of Moscow said Muslims have a great demographic 0:06:10.980 --> 0:06:13.830 mission due to the high birth rate to make Russia 0:06:13.830 --> 0:06:18.990 a muslim majority country. In 1959, 6% of the Russian's 0:06:18.990 --> 0:06:23.280 population was Muslim. By 2020, that had grown to 15%, 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:27.630 and the trend is accelerating. Seven of Russia's 22 republics 0:06:27.630 --> 0:06:31.580 already have an Islamic majority. Putin might indeed have a 0:06:31.580 --> 0:06:34.460 goal for Russian dominance in the Middle East, but the 0:06:34.460 --> 0:06:38.720 dramatic population shift within Russia itself could change the face 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:41.539 of Russia before Russia is able to change the face 0:06:41.540 --> 0:06:42.589 of the Middle East. 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:44.690 Well, if you just joined us, this is the land 0:06:44.690 --> 0:06:47.570 and the book from Moody Radio. Our host, Doctor Charlie Dyer, 0:06:47.570 --> 0:06:49.940 working us through a list of current events stories all 0:06:49.940 --> 0:06:52.490 based in the Middle East. Last week you talked about 0:06:52.490 --> 0:06:56.720 problems in Egypt, including a potential conflict with Ethiopia over 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.750 the dam that they're building across the Nile River. Could 0:06:59.750 --> 0:07:04.489 that conflict over this dam far to Egypt's south ultimately 0:07:04.490 --> 0:07:09.050 impact Israel? Help us connect all these different geographical dots? 0:07:09.050 --> 0:07:12.680 Yeah, the dots do seem unrelated, but they could indeed 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:16.970 impact Israel. We know Egypt is struggling financially. They're also 0:07:16.970 --> 0:07:20.280 concerned about Ethiopia's new dam that it could reduce the 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:23.550 flow of the Nile River, which is Egypt's main water source. 0:07:23.580 --> 0:07:26.940 They've threatened to prevent the dam being completed, but the 0:07:26.940 --> 0:07:31.920 dam is located about 800 miles south of Egypt's southern border. 0:07:32.010 --> 0:07:34.920 Egypt's air bases are all located in the north around 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:38.220 Cairo and in the Sinai Peninsula. So as much of 0:07:38.220 --> 0:07:40.830 their army to protect the capital and to guard against 0:07:40.830 --> 0:07:45.150 Islamic insurgents in Libya and in Sinai. If Egypt's going 0:07:45.150 --> 0:07:48.300 to mount a credible military threat against the dam, it'll 0:07:48.300 --> 0:07:51.060 need to reposition some of its forces away from the 0:07:51.060 --> 0:07:54.750 north toward its southern border. Now, that could impact Israel 0:07:54.750 --> 0:07:58.650 two ways. First, it could allow ISIS, al Qaeda or 0:07:58.650 --> 0:08:02.520 other Islamic groups to rebuild on the Sinai Peninsula next 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:06.590 to Israel. And second, it could upend potential plans being 0:08:06.590 --> 0:08:10.940 discussed for Israel's ceasefire with Hamas because that could involve 0:08:10.940 --> 0:08:14.690 having Israel cede control of the corridor between Egypt and 0:08:14.690 --> 0:08:19.130 Gaza to the Egyptian army. Israel is still uncovering all 0:08:19.130 --> 0:08:23.239 the tunnels Hamas had there to smuggle in weapons and supplies. 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:27.140 By taking this border region, Israel choked off that supply 0:08:27.140 --> 0:08:30.910 of weapons. Egypt was already doing a relatively poor job 0:08:30.910 --> 0:08:34.150 of stopping weapons entering from its side of the border. 0:08:34.150 --> 0:08:36.880 And if they're forced to move troops to the south 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:40.660 while also resuming full control of that corridor with Gaza, 0:08:40.660 --> 0:08:43.240 it could open the way for Hamas to rebuild the 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:47.829 tunnels and resupply its forces, depending on Egypt, to choke 0:08:47.830 --> 0:08:51.370 off Hamas's supply lines into Gaza, in addition to everything 0:08:51.370 --> 0:08:56.040 else Egypt is facing, could be a recipe for future disaster. 0:08:56.250 --> 0:09:00.810 Doesn't sound good. Well, researchers in amazing Israel have discovered 0:09:00.809 --> 0:09:06.719 self-repairing glass. What exactly is self-repairing glass and what could 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:10.319 its impact be on both technology and on everyday life? 0:09:10.350 --> 0:09:14.220 Yeah, this discovery changes our concept of glass. If we 0:09:14.220 --> 0:09:17.580 think of glass as a hard but relatively fragile substance 0:09:17.580 --> 0:09:20.850 that once it's chipped or cracked or broken, can't be 0:09:20.850 --> 0:09:24.479 mended unless that glass is reheated till it becomes molten 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:29.880 and then recast. Israeli researchers were studying sequences of amino acids, 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:33.330 and during their research, they discovered a unique peptide that 0:09:33.330 --> 0:09:38.010 behaves differently from anything previously discovered. It formed a pattern 0:09:38.010 --> 0:09:41.130 that is like liquid glass on a molecular level, but 0:09:41.130 --> 0:09:44.520 with mechanical properties that are solid like. It forms into 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:48.720 glass spontaneously at room temperature, without the need of extreme 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.540 heat or pressure. So what kind of impact might it 0:09:51.540 --> 0:09:55.170 have in real life? Rather than polishing and grinding lenses 0:09:55.170 --> 0:09:58.020 for glasses, they were able to dip the liquid onto 0:09:58.020 --> 0:10:01.440 a surface and control its curvature simply by adjusting the 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:05.730 solution volume, and the glass was as transparent as ordinary 0:10:05.730 --> 0:10:09.100 glass would be. Should cracks form in a glass, they 0:10:09.100 --> 0:10:11.620 can be restored instantly with the touch of water at 0:10:11.620 --> 0:10:17.740 room temperature. Imagine discovering a recyclable, self-healing, optically transparent glass 0:10:17.740 --> 0:10:20.890 that can also act as a glue. Beyond the common 0:10:20.890 --> 0:10:24.429 applications for optics, the scientists believe the new discovery could 0:10:24.429 --> 0:10:31.020 revolutionize electro optics, satellite communication, remote sensing, and even biomedicine. 0:10:31.020 --> 0:10:35.850 Self repairing adhesive glass. It seems hard to imagine. Unless, 0:10:35.850 --> 0:10:39.180 of course, you're a scientist at Tel Aviv University in 0:10:39.179 --> 0:10:41.010 amazing Israel, shattering. 0:10:41.010 --> 0:10:43.679 The bonds of technology. Thank you Charlie for that. Look 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.830 at current events. Boy, a great conversation coming up next. 0:10:46.830 --> 0:10:49.500 Life on the Gaza border. What's it really like to 0:10:49.500 --> 0:10:52.500 live there? What was it like on October 7th? You'll 0:10:52.500 --> 0:10:55.250 hear it all firsthand as we talk with Deborah. That's 0:10:55.250 --> 0:10:57.410 our segment next on the land and the book, and 0:10:57.410 --> 0:11:15.559 our website is The Land and the book.org. Before the 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:20.600 October 7th attack, before Gaza found its way onto everybody's map, 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:24.320 there were Israelis living peacefully near the border. What was 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.980 life like for them back then? You're about to hear 0:11:27.980 --> 0:11:30.500 a first hand account from someone who lived just two 0:11:30.500 --> 0:11:33.380 miles north of the Gaza border. Welcome back to the 0:11:33.380 --> 0:11:36.170 land and the book. I'm John Gager. Let's say hi 0:11:36.170 --> 0:11:39.560 to today's guest, Deborah Ben Aderet. Good to have you 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:40.070 with us. 0:11:40.070 --> 0:11:41.929 Thank you. Thank you for having me, Deborah. 0:11:41.929 --> 0:11:44.380 You grew up in the suburbs of Chicago, where you 0:11:44.380 --> 0:11:47.410 were raised in a conservative Jewish home. As an adult, 0:11:47.410 --> 0:11:51.970 you became an active member of AIPAC and other pro-Israel organizations. 0:11:51.970 --> 0:11:55.570 I understand in 2012, though, you quit your job in 0:11:55.570 --> 0:11:59.890 Chicago's Merchandise Mart, where I walk by just about every week, 0:11:59.890 --> 0:12:02.319 I come in to Moody. You sold your car, rented 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:06.040 out that Lakeview condo, and then along with your two cats, 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:08.790 I'm wondering how they made the trip. You made Aliyah 0:12:08.790 --> 0:12:11.910 moving to Israel a year later, I guess you met 0:12:11.910 --> 0:12:14.670 the Israeli man who would become your husband. And so 0:12:14.670 --> 0:12:17.400 you guys left Tel Aviv. You moved with him to 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:20.490 the southern city of Ashkelon. And that is, I think, 0:12:20.490 --> 0:12:22.679 kind of where today's story begins. We're honored to have 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:24.690 you with us today on the land and the book. 0:12:24.690 --> 0:12:26.550 Deborah, thank you for having me. 0:12:26.670 --> 0:12:29.850 So describe Ashkelon where it's at. 0:12:29.850 --> 0:12:37.400 So Ashkelon is the southernmost city north of Gaza, if 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:39.560 that makes sense. So it's not a lot is the 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:41.690 southernmost city in Israel if you're looking at a map, 0:12:41.690 --> 0:12:45.560 but Ashkelon is on the water and it's about five, 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:48.620 six miles north of Gaza on the water. 0:12:48.620 --> 0:12:49.790 And it's a beautiful city. 0:12:49.790 --> 0:12:50.480 It's beautiful. 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:52.819 Modern, um, a lot of high rises. 0:12:52.820 --> 0:12:56.330 A Marina, beautiful Marina with shops and restaurants, and it's 0:12:56.330 --> 0:12:59.600 really getting very built up and more and more touristy. 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:01.310 Yeah, yeah, for sure. We were just there a couple 0:13:01.309 --> 0:13:03.350 of months ago. You and your husband moved to the 0:13:03.350 --> 0:13:06.439 south of Israel with the best of intentions. What was 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:09.800 life in the Ashkelon area like before the war? 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:12.590 I was a little concerned, moving to a city that 0:13:12.590 --> 0:13:15.050 was kind of close to Gaza. Yes, but I wasn't 0:13:15.050 --> 0:13:17.900 overly concerned. There wasn't a history of, you know, wars 0:13:17.900 --> 0:13:20.920 that had reached Ashkelon. So the House did have a 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:24.520 safe room, and it was lovely living there. But we 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:27.250 did live there through the protective edge War. I was 0:13:27.250 --> 0:13:30.339 eight months pregnant with my first, and I spent a 0:13:30.340 --> 0:13:32.500 lot of time in that safe room where you get 0:13:32.500 --> 0:13:37.120 about 30 to 45 seconds, maybe when rockets come. That 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:37.330 had to. 0:13:37.330 --> 0:13:39.730 Be unnerving and maybe got you thinking. 0:13:39.730 --> 0:13:42.760 It got me thinking like we are kind of close 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:46.080 to the Gaza border. And thank goodness we had that 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.570 safe room because most houses didn't come with that. My 0:13:48.570 --> 0:13:51.300 husband's parents live in Ashkelon. He has two sisters in Ashkelon. 0:13:51.300 --> 0:13:52.740 Their homes do not have one. 0:13:52.740 --> 0:13:55.859 Deborah Ben Aderet joins us today on the Land and 0:13:55.860 --> 0:13:59.130 the book. She shares firsthand experiences of life on the 0:13:59.130 --> 0:14:03.330 Gaza border. Two years later, while pregnant with your second child, 0:14:03.330 --> 0:14:06.270 you and your husband built a home in Kibbutz Zikim, 0:14:06.270 --> 0:14:09.079 about two miles north of the Gaza border. Tell us 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:12.710 of another sobering Hamas incident that you encountered there. Anything 0:14:12.710 --> 0:14:13.430 come to mind? 0:14:13.460 --> 0:14:16.819 We had several wars, quote unquote, that you won't even 0:14:16.820 --> 0:14:20.000 hear about in the media here. You probably didn't hear 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:24.590 that in May of 2021. We were evacuated for two 0:14:24.590 --> 0:14:28.370 weeks because Hamas started a rocket barrage, and we were 0:14:28.370 --> 0:14:31.490 evacuated for two weeks. They also started over the last 0:14:31.490 --> 0:14:37.190 few years, sending over bouquets of incendiary balloons, Mickey Mouse balloons, 0:14:37.370 --> 0:14:39.979 aiming them at our at our children. You know, here 0:14:39.980 --> 0:14:41.990 comes a bouquet of Mickey Mouse balloons. You have to 0:14:41.990 --> 0:14:45.860 teach your kids stay away. Because Hamas started burning acres 0:14:45.860 --> 0:14:48.050 and acres of our land. And you won't really see 0:14:48.050 --> 0:14:52.550 that anywhere either. Killing wildlife and killing the crops that 0:14:52.550 --> 0:14:55.720 we grow to feed them, to truck in to Gaza. 0:14:55.750 --> 0:14:57.760 You know, so so there was I don't want to 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:01.479 call it daily terror, but when they were feeling riled up, 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:03.790 we would all suffer from it. It was just sort 0:15:03.790 --> 0:15:06.430 of how you live on the on the border. 0:15:06.430 --> 0:15:08.650 Some listeners might say, look, at this point, you've already 0:15:08.650 --> 0:15:11.470 had more than a taste of what Hamas is capable of. 0:15:11.470 --> 0:15:13.060 Why not move away? 0:15:13.060 --> 0:15:15.820 Exactly. Why do you live on the Gaza border? I 0:15:15.820 --> 0:15:18.190 get that now and then. I do not get that 0:15:18.190 --> 0:15:22.560 from people that have been there because it is gorgeous. 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:25.500 And when Hamas is not acting up, why would you 0:15:25.500 --> 0:15:29.190 not live there? Right? We built a gorgeous home, what, 0:15:29.190 --> 0:15:33.930 half a mile from one of Israel's most beautiful beaches? Um, 0:15:33.930 --> 0:15:37.740 a kibbutz means we don't have stop signs and stoplights 0:15:37.740 --> 0:15:40.500 and crazy traffic. You know, it's a sweet community where 0:15:40.500 --> 0:15:42.030 you can send your kids out. You want to play 0:15:42.030 --> 0:15:43.850 with your friend, and you open the front door and 0:15:43.850 --> 0:15:46.250 you send your kids out. We have cows. We have 0:15:46.250 --> 0:15:49.280 a petting zoo, the daycares, you know, picnic every day. 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:52.370 It's a wonderful place to go and raise your kids. 0:15:52.370 --> 0:15:56.660 But you do start to question, wait, why are we staying. 0:15:56.660 --> 0:15:57.260 Life. 0:15:57.260 --> 0:16:00.080 On the Gaza border? That's our conversation today on the 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.380 land and the book. I'm John Yeager. Our guest is 0:16:03.380 --> 0:16:07.400 Deborah Ben Aderet. Take us to the October 7th attack. 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:09.530 What was that like for your community? 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.680 We went to sleep on the sixth like any other night. 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:15.530 On the seventh, I was awoken to a huge explosion 0:16:15.530 --> 0:16:17.570 and that's not unusual. So I was just going to 0:16:17.570 --> 0:16:21.420 go back to sleep because we have 5 to 8 0:16:21.420 --> 0:16:24.260 seconds to get to our bomb shelter. When we hear 0:16:24.260 --> 0:16:27.170 the rocket alert, we don't hear it very well. In 0:16:27.170 --> 0:16:29.210 our community, where we live, where we built our home 0:16:29.210 --> 0:16:31.300 in the kibbutz, you don't hear it very well. So 0:16:31.300 --> 0:16:32.859 I didn't hear it. I slept through it. And by 0:16:32.860 --> 0:16:34.780 the time you hear the explosion, it's really too late 0:16:34.780 --> 0:16:37.750 to go into the bomb shelter. It means the rocket 0:16:37.750 --> 0:16:41.800 hit or it means the Iron Dome intercepted it. But 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:44.290 either way, it's a huge explosion, and it's done. And 0:16:44.290 --> 0:16:46.690 it's too late to go to the safe room. So 0:16:46.690 --> 0:16:49.180 my husband said, let's go, let's go. And I said, 0:16:49.180 --> 0:16:50.830 it's too late. And I rolled over to go back 0:16:50.830 --> 0:16:53.710 to sleep because we're used to this. And then it 0:16:53.710 --> 0:16:56.610 really started coming like a barrage, like a lot. And 0:16:56.610 --> 0:16:59.040 we said, okay, let's go to the safe room. So 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:01.770 we spent the first few hours in the safe room, 0:17:01.770 --> 0:17:03.690 and then we heard doo doo doo doo doo doo doo, 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.629 machine gun. And then we knew this is not normal. 0:17:06.630 --> 0:17:09.179 Something else is happening. Soon after that, we got a 0:17:09.180 --> 0:17:13.770 message from our kibbutz security saying there have been ground infiltrations, 0:17:13.770 --> 0:17:17.160 not in Zikim, but there have been ground infiltrations. Stay 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.610 in the safe room. And at this point, we knew 0:17:19.609 --> 0:17:23.449 something really horrible is happening. And then we lost all 0:17:23.450 --> 0:17:27.740 cell reception and phone reception. So we didn't have internet. 0:17:27.740 --> 0:17:30.950 I didn't get the rocket alert on my phone. I 0:17:30.950 --> 0:17:33.590 couldn't hear in real time when it was really happening. 0:17:33.590 --> 0:17:36.169 I didn't know what was happening outside. All we knew 0:17:36.170 --> 0:17:39.620 was there's rocket barrages, there's gunfire that we don't know 0:17:39.619 --> 0:17:42.710 what it is, and there's been infiltration. We were told 0:17:42.710 --> 0:17:44.930 to go around and lock up our house and stay 0:17:44.930 --> 0:17:47.900 in our safe room. I think we didn't have the 0:17:47.900 --> 0:17:52.280 infiltration because 50 terrorists tried to come up through our 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:55.459 beach that day. They managed to kill 41 of the 0:17:55.460 --> 0:17:59.420 50 terrorists, but nine did infiltrate our beaches and our 0:17:59.420 --> 0:18:01.850 beaches like half a mile from us, right? Because we're 0:18:01.850 --> 0:18:05.690 close to the water. Nine of those terrorists came up 0:18:05.690 --> 0:18:09.129 through the beach, killed everyone they saw, slaughtered everyone they saw, 0:18:09.130 --> 0:18:13.570 continued on to our army base, had a big fight there, 0:18:13.570 --> 0:18:17.560 and then continued to try to infiltrate our kibbutz. And 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.290 at that time, some of the security in the army 0:18:20.290 --> 0:18:23.980 base alerted our security guy. We have one. We have 0:18:23.980 --> 0:18:29.110 one security guy alerted him that terrorists on foot or 0:18:29.109 --> 0:18:32.010 in a stolen truck are on their way to our kibbutz. 0:18:32.010 --> 0:18:37.230 That's about a minute drive, maybe 45 second drive. And 0:18:37.230 --> 0:18:41.430 in that time, our one security guy managed to round 0:18:41.430 --> 0:18:45.150 up a team of our kibbutz members. These are just 0:18:45.150 --> 0:18:48.720 regular people who are in the reserves or have a 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:51.030 gun from when they were in the reserves. And it 0:18:51.030 --> 0:18:54.390 is because of this very small staff, 5 or 6 0:18:54.390 --> 0:18:56.480 guys that I'm here today. And the doo doo doo 0:18:56.480 --> 0:19:00.620 doo doo that we heard was our security shooting at 0:19:00.619 --> 0:19:04.129 Hamas after they had thrown a grenade at our guys 0:19:04.130 --> 0:19:07.460 trying to kill our guys and blow through our gate. Wow. 0:19:07.460 --> 0:19:09.109 Yeah, boy, what a story. 0:19:09.109 --> 0:19:10.910 And we're in the safe room the whole time not 0:19:10.910 --> 0:19:14.300 knowing what's happening, you know, really? Right outside my daughter's 0:19:14.300 --> 0:19:15.200 bedroom door. 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:18.500 Well, this impact has made a significant change in your 0:19:18.500 --> 0:19:19.780 family's trajectory. 0:19:19.780 --> 0:19:20.920 Talk about that. Yeah. 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:25.270 So like I said, we had been considering moving further 0:19:25.270 --> 0:19:28.629 north a few years ago. I never would have thought 0:19:28.630 --> 0:19:31.270 October 6th was the last night I sleep in my 0:19:31.270 --> 0:19:34.119 own bed, but it was. We were all evacuated the 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:38.260 next day, my community was evacuated to a hotel in Jerusalem, 0:19:38.260 --> 0:19:41.169 and about two and a half weeks into that, living 0:19:41.170 --> 0:19:43.780 in a. It sounds nice living in a hotel. It's 0:19:43.780 --> 0:19:45.730 four of us. I have two young girls. We're all 0:19:45.730 --> 0:19:48.190 sharing one room. We get three meals a day, but 0:19:48.190 --> 0:19:51.280 it's mobbed because we're with our community. We're with other communities. 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:54.010 It's not fun, you know, after two and a half weeks, 0:19:54.010 --> 0:19:56.980 my husband said, take the girls and just go back 0:19:56.980 --> 0:19:59.290 to the Chicago suburbs, because this is going to be 0:19:59.290 --> 0:20:02.230 a while. And we came back to the Chicago area. 0:20:02.230 --> 0:20:04.810 I put my girls in school. We've been here since then, 0:20:04.810 --> 0:20:07.750 and my husband and I have decided we're not going 0:20:07.750 --> 0:20:09.790 to live in this house again. And it breaks my 0:20:09.790 --> 0:20:12.160 heart because we built it from scratch. I picked out 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:15.880 every door handle. I laid out tiles myself. I mean, 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:18.880 we built this house from scratch. We have avocado trees, 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:23.320 mango trees, macadamia, I mean gorgeous, gorgeous yard. And when 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:26.110 we go back, we're going to move further north. But 0:20:26.109 --> 0:20:27.970 you need to remember that Israel is the size of 0:20:27.970 --> 0:20:31.570 Lake Michigan. Nowhere in Israel is totally safe. Iran sent 0:20:31.590 --> 0:20:34.440 300 missiles a few months ago, and the only reason 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:36.990 Israel is still on the map is the Iron Dome system. 0:20:36.990 --> 0:20:39.570 So now, instead of 5 to 8 seconds to get 0:20:39.570 --> 0:20:41.250 to a safe room, I think we're going to have 0:20:41.250 --> 0:20:43.920 a minute. But it's not out of the question. Everyone's 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:45.870 surrounding us, wants to kill us all the time. 0:20:45.869 --> 0:20:47.070 So, you know, this. 0:20:47.070 --> 0:20:50.940 Attack did not come out of a vacuum. Um, and, uh, 0:20:50.940 --> 0:20:54.180 it's shocking to understand when you peel back the layers, 0:20:54.180 --> 0:20:58.750 the level of hate that exists inside of Gaza toward Israel. 0:20:58.750 --> 0:21:00.610 I want to play for you now the audio from 0:21:00.609 --> 0:21:03.639 a 32nd video clip. This is footage obtained by the 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:06.640 Middle East Policy Research Center. You're about to hear from 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:11.619 three young Palestinian boys, ages nine to about 11. I'm 0:21:11.619 --> 0:21:13.689 going to let them each begin, and then I'm going 0:21:13.690 --> 0:21:15.940 to share a translation of what they're saying. I want 0:21:15.940 --> 0:21:17.859 you to listen to this closely with me. 0:21:17.859 --> 0:21:19.389 You can check out the stream. 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:23.110 The first boy is saying I'm in favor of the 0:21:23.109 --> 0:21:28.929 stabbing operations because they scare the Jews. Here's boy number two. 0:21:29.020 --> 0:21:31.510 And then. 0:21:33.609 --> 0:21:36.430 We are fighting the Jews to get our lands back, 0:21:36.430 --> 0:21:41.560 he's saying. And this is through terrorist acts. Like stabbing, trampling, shooting. 0:21:41.590 --> 0:21:43.000 Boy number three. 0:21:44.100 --> 0:21:46.950 At a time. And I'm I'm. 0:21:47.490 --> 0:21:50.850 I'm in favor of the stabbing operations. I support anyone 0:21:50.850 --> 0:21:54.659 who stabs them or thinks of stabbing them. And he adds, 0:21:54.660 --> 0:21:57.900 to sum it all up, I'm for it. Deborah, how 0:21:57.900 --> 0:22:00.510 come the world does not hear and see more of 0:22:00.510 --> 0:22:04.380 this footage? Why is this part of the story left untold? 0:22:04.380 --> 0:22:08.390 That's a question I ask every day. It doesn't fit 0:22:08.390 --> 0:22:12.709 the narrative. It doesn't fit, in my opinion, the anti-Semitic 0:22:12.710 --> 0:22:16.700 bias narrative that Israel is the bad guy. The truth 0:22:16.700 --> 0:22:21.680 of what is going on is that Hamas is indoctrinating 0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:24.500 these kids at a young age. My my girls are 0:22:24.500 --> 0:22:26.930 seven and nine, and they go to camp and braid 0:22:26.930 --> 0:22:30.560 hair and do art projects and swim. There's proof there's 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:32.919 videos there. Kids go to camp and learn how to 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:36.670 be terrorists. And you see these five, six, seven year 0:22:36.670 --> 0:22:41.410 old kids. This is their goal. The textbooks in Gaza 0:22:41.410 --> 0:22:46.900 do not show that Israel exists. It's Palestine. I mean, 0:22:46.900 --> 0:22:51.400 this is indoctrinated in them. I'm not saying every single 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:54.010 person in Gaza wants to be a terrorist, but this 0:22:54.010 --> 0:22:56.649 is this is training. This is where it begins, right 0:22:56.650 --> 0:22:59.470 at home and at school. So this is a huge, 0:22:59.470 --> 0:23:01.929 huge problem. What are you going to do with a 0:23:01.930 --> 0:23:05.050 population that for 20 years has been under the control 0:23:05.050 --> 0:23:08.560 of terrorists who teach it to their children? It blows 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:11.620 my mind why this doesn't get shown in the world. 0:23:11.619 --> 0:23:15.100 It's child abuse. It's child abuse. It blows my mind 0:23:15.100 --> 0:23:18.250 and I'm trying so hard to figure out the why. 0:23:18.250 --> 0:23:20.160 And I'm telling you that the only thing I can 0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:25.080 think of is it doesn't fit, really, the anti-Semitic anti-Israel narrative. 0:23:25.080 --> 0:23:26.609 It doesn't fit the narrative. 0:23:26.609 --> 0:23:28.439 Well, listeners to the land in the book want to 0:23:28.440 --> 0:23:31.680 make a difference, Deborah. But we feel, I think, rather powerless. 0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:34.050 We're praying for the peace of Jerusalem, as we're told 0:23:34.050 --> 0:23:37.290 in Psalm 122 six, what can we do as concerned 0:23:37.290 --> 0:23:38.760 Americans beyond that? 0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:42.210 You're doing it right here, that you're interviewing me, that 0:23:42.210 --> 0:23:45.510 you're visiting Israel, that you're spreading the word. This honestly, 0:23:45.510 --> 0:23:50.220 is just seeking out the truth. There's truth and there's 0:23:50.220 --> 0:23:54.000 the media, unfortunately, and I almost have to say, I 0:23:54.000 --> 0:23:56.669 don't blame people that aren't seeking out the truth and 0:23:56.670 --> 0:23:59.369 are sitting down. We think that we're getting the news. 0:23:59.369 --> 0:24:02.429 We're trusting the news. We're trusting the media. If you 0:24:02.430 --> 0:24:06.180 don't have a connection to Israel, to the Jewish people, 0:24:06.180 --> 0:24:08.230 to the Christian people, the Muslim people, if you don't 0:24:08.230 --> 0:24:10.899 have a connection to to the history and to the 0:24:10.900 --> 0:24:14.410 land and to the the truth, and you just sit 0:24:14.410 --> 0:24:16.120 down and turn on the news, that's what you're going 0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:19.030 to see in Israel is not perfect. I'm not saying 0:24:19.030 --> 0:24:21.310 Israel is perfect. I'm not saying the government is perfect. 0:24:21.310 --> 0:24:23.919 I'm not saying, you know, the Jews are better than anyone, 0:24:23.920 --> 0:24:27.580 but there's facts and there's history. And I really just 0:24:27.580 --> 0:24:30.550 encourage people to please seek it out. Don't get on 0:24:30.550 --> 0:24:33.880 to TikTok and get all sucked into, you know social 0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:37.810 media is good and bad. And in this scenario, the 0:24:37.810 --> 0:24:40.780 bad is that it feeds you what you want to see. 0:24:40.780 --> 0:24:45.550 So if you're going to get on that anti-Israel bandwagon, woohoo, Palestine, 0:24:45.550 --> 0:24:48.130 that's what you're going to keep seeing. I just encourage 0:24:48.130 --> 0:24:51.790 people to please seek out the truth, seek out, you know, 0:24:51.790 --> 0:24:55.090 watch the news from Israel. You can go online. You 0:24:55.090 --> 0:24:58.770 can watch I24 news. I watch the daily briefings that 0:24:58.770 --> 0:25:01.830 are coming out of the government office in Israel. On YouTube. 0:25:01.830 --> 0:25:04.590 You can find the daily briefings. I get a lot 0:25:04.590 --> 0:25:06.930 of my news that way. So that's what you could 0:25:06.930 --> 0:25:10.290 do and what you're doing. Just spread the word. Interview people, 0:25:10.290 --> 0:25:13.680 ask people, you know, in the beginning when I started speaking, 0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:16.770 I was mostly speaking just to to Jewish communities. And 0:25:16.770 --> 0:25:19.919 I thought, well, they obviously already support, I have to 0:25:19.920 --> 0:25:22.490 get out to other communities. But then I thought, that's 0:25:22.490 --> 0:25:25.970 not even the right way to think, because everyone knows 0:25:25.970 --> 0:25:28.610 100 other people, who know 100 other people who know 0:25:28.609 --> 0:25:31.639 100 other people, and somebody in there is going to 0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:33.950 deny this or going to be on the wrong side 0:25:33.950 --> 0:25:37.250 or not be educated. So that's my long answer. But 0:25:37.250 --> 0:25:40.100 there's something I know. It's a helpless feeling, but that's 0:25:40.100 --> 0:25:41.540 what everybody could be doing. 0:25:41.630 --> 0:25:44.270 That's good advice. Thank you Deborah, appreciate your time, your 0:25:44.290 --> 0:25:46.629 story and your honesty with us here on the land 0:25:46.630 --> 0:25:47.440 and the book. 0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:49.330 Thank you so much for having me. Keep up the 0:25:49.330 --> 0:25:49.990 good work. 0:25:49.990 --> 0:25:52.149 And we're looking forward to our next segment. It's Charlie 0:25:52.150 --> 0:25:54.790 Dyer back. You know what it is. Questions and answers 0:25:54.790 --> 0:26:08.980 right here. Thank you for making the land and the 0:26:08.980 --> 0:26:11.800 book part of your day. Our host is Doctor Charlie Dyer. 0:26:11.830 --> 0:26:14.050 I'm John Gieger, and in this segment we take a 0:26:14.050 --> 0:26:17.080 look at your questions. But you know, first this quick thought, 0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:19.119 Israel has been in the news a lot over the 0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:22.180 past year. And as we know, the Bible is jam 0:26:22.180 --> 0:26:26.260 packed with end times prophecies about epic world events, the 0:26:26.260 --> 0:26:29.169 regathering of the Jewish people to their ancient homeland. And 0:26:29.170 --> 0:26:32.290 and of course, Jesus soon returned. It is crucial, though, 0:26:32.290 --> 0:26:35.310 for us as believers to have a proper understanding of 0:26:35.310 --> 0:26:38.370 Bible prophecy. So our view of the future is shaped 0:26:38.369 --> 0:26:42.000 by Scripture and not just today's headlines or our own whims. Right, Charlie? 0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:44.190 That's right. And with that in mind, our friends at 0:26:44.190 --> 0:26:47.670 Life and Messiah have published a book titled God, Israel 0:26:47.670 --> 0:26:50.700 and Bible Prophecy, and they're offering it to listeners of 0:26:50.700 --> 0:26:53.190 the land in the book for a limited time. This 0:26:53.190 --> 0:26:56.219 informative book is focused on providing readers with a deeper 0:26:56.220 --> 0:27:00.320 understanding and greater appreciation of what God has in store 0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:03.320 for Israel and the nations by digging into what the 0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:06.590 scriptures say about these issues. If you're interested in learning 0:27:06.590 --> 0:27:10.310 more about what God has in store, visit Life in Messiah. 0:27:10.490 --> 0:27:12.949 Org and click on the Moody Radio button there to 0:27:12.950 --> 0:27:16.310 find out how you can receive your copy of God, 0:27:16.310 --> 0:27:21.070 Israel and Bible Prophecy. That's life in messiah.org. 0:27:21.100 --> 0:27:23.740 All right. Question number one is fascinating. A lot of 0:27:23.740 --> 0:27:26.229 people have wondered about this. So Charlie, here it is. 0:27:26.230 --> 0:27:29.830 We're Ishmael, Adam and Eve saved. 0:27:29.890 --> 0:27:31.929 Yeah. Let me start with the Adam and Eve. I 0:27:31.930 --> 0:27:34.810 think that's easier to answer. The fact that God clothed 0:27:34.810 --> 0:27:37.660 them with animal skins in Genesis, I believe, is more 0:27:37.660 --> 0:27:40.000 than just a picture of God as the ultimate tailor. 0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:42.820 God had an animal die to provide a covering for 0:27:42.820 --> 0:27:45.790 their nakedness and by extension, for the sin they had committed. 0:27:45.820 --> 0:27:48.910 I believe that's a picture of the ultimate sacrifice God 0:27:48.910 --> 0:27:51.520 would provide for the human race. But the fact God 0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:54.520 provided it and they accepted it, would indicate to me 0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:57.879 that they experienced his forgiveness. Now it's more difficult to 0:27:57.880 --> 0:28:00.370 say with Ishmael, though. I like to believe he was 0:28:00.369 --> 0:28:02.260 a man of faith, and I base that on some 0:28:02.260 --> 0:28:07.090 rather vague references. In Genesis 17, for example, Abraham expressed 0:28:07.090 --> 0:28:10.290 a wish that Ishmael might live under God's blessing, and 0:28:10.290 --> 0:28:12.750 God told Abraham he had heard him and that he 0:28:12.750 --> 0:28:16.470 would bless Ishmael. Now, what follows is primarily physical in nature, 0:28:16.470 --> 0:28:18.870 but I would hope that there was a spiritual component 0:28:18.869 --> 0:28:21.810 to that blessing. And I also note, when Abraham died, 0:28:21.810 --> 0:28:24.810 both Isaac and Ishmael joined together to bury him at 0:28:24.810 --> 0:28:28.139 the cave of Machpelah. That same chapter then describes the 0:28:28.140 --> 0:28:31.950 nations that descended from Ishmael. So the Bible presents Ishmael 0:28:31.950 --> 0:28:34.950 in a positive light, faithful to his father, in good 0:28:34.950 --> 0:28:37.980 relationship to his brother, and being blessed by God. And 0:28:37.980 --> 0:28:41.250 while the blessings again are primarily physical in nature, it's 0:28:41.250 --> 0:28:43.620 possible they flowed from a heart of faith and were 0:28:43.620 --> 0:28:46.020 matched by God's spiritual blessing as well. 0:28:46.050 --> 0:28:49.860 Another question that looks forward can believers in heaven see 0:28:49.860 --> 0:28:52.290 what we are doing down here on earth? Bob wants 0:28:52.290 --> 0:28:52.920 to know. 0:28:52.950 --> 0:28:55.800 Yeah, and the Bible doesn't clearly say, one way or another, 0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:58.030 that those in heaven can see what's taking place here 0:28:58.030 --> 0:29:00.190 on earth. Uh, where the Bible is silent. Then I 0:29:00.190 --> 0:29:02.830 think we need to tread very carefully that we do 0:29:02.830 --> 0:29:05.200 know from the parable Jesus told of the rich man 0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:08.950 and Lazarus, that those who died have a conscious existence, 0:29:08.950 --> 0:29:11.050 and in the case of that rich man, might even 0:29:11.050 --> 0:29:14.260 include concern about those who remain behind on earth. Remember, 0:29:14.260 --> 0:29:16.390 he asked, to be able to go back and warn 0:29:16.390 --> 0:29:19.209 his brothers of what was coming. Now we know in 0:29:19.210 --> 0:29:21.960 revelation six, uh, the fifth seal is opened. It says, 0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:24.720 martyrs in heaven. Ask God when he's going to intervene 0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:27.780 and judge and avenge their wrongful deaths. But we're not 0:29:27.780 --> 0:29:30.870 told that they have an opportunity to see what actually happens. 0:29:30.870 --> 0:29:34.050 So here's the real question. Once we're actually in heaven 0:29:34.050 --> 0:29:37.080 and we're seeing it's indescribable beauty, and we're in the 0:29:37.080 --> 0:29:39.720 presence of God and the Lord Jesus, and our eyes 0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:42.300 are open to see the millions of angels and all 0:29:42.300 --> 0:29:45.490 of those wondrous things. Will we even want to look 0:29:45.490 --> 0:29:48.310 back to see what's happening here on Earth? I tend 0:29:48.310 --> 0:29:50.200 to think of that old gospel song, and I think 0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:52.030 it got it right. And the things of earth will 0:29:52.030 --> 0:29:55.600 grow strangely dim in the light of his glory and grace. 0:29:55.630 --> 0:29:58.030 Jonathan wants to know what is the need for a 0:29:58.030 --> 0:30:01.810 new heaven if there is no sin in heaven now? 0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:04.540 Yeah, and actually, the Bible doesn't say there's no sin 0:30:04.540 --> 0:30:07.480 in heaven. The Bible actually depicts different realms that we 0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:10.460 collectively call heaven. You know, we we know the atmosphere 0:30:10.460 --> 0:30:12.320 around us is called heaven. You know, in the beginning, 0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:15.530 God created the heavens plural and the earth. Uh, in 0:30:15.530 --> 0:30:18.980 Ezekiel 28, Satan is described as an anointed cherub who 0:30:18.980 --> 0:30:22.460 dwelt on God's holy mountain until he sinned. And that's 0:30:22.490 --> 0:30:25.040 actually picturing him in heaven. And by the time Satan 0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:27.590 appears in the Garden of Eden, he'd already sinned. So 0:30:27.590 --> 0:30:31.220 sin actually originated in heaven. And the passage says, God 0:30:31.220 --> 0:30:33.400 drove him out of the Mount of God, which must 0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:36.400 refer to that highest part of heaven where God's dwelling 0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:39.010 place is. But Satan still had access to at least 0:30:39.010 --> 0:30:41.560 part of heaven. You know, in job chapters one and two, 0:30:41.590 --> 0:30:45.400 he appeared before God in heaven to accuse job. Uh, 0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:48.010 in revelation 12 we're told about a future war in 0:30:48.010 --> 0:30:51.460 heaven when Satan and his angelic followers are finally banished 0:30:51.460 --> 0:30:53.980 from all of heaven and cast to earth. So all 0:30:53.980 --> 0:30:55.720 of that, to answer the question, why a new heaven 0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:59.160 and new earth? Well, God's indicating that he intended his 0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:02.400 creation to be perfect, and ultimately he's going to accomplish 0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:05.190 that in his new heaven and earth. This includes his 0:31:05.190 --> 0:31:07.890 plan for the created realm, for heaven and earth itself, 0:31:07.890 --> 0:31:11.070 for the angelic realm, and for humanity. I love the 0:31:11.070 --> 0:31:13.500 phrases that are in revelation. There'll be no more night. 0:31:13.500 --> 0:31:16.440 You know, darkness began in Genesis. There'll be no more sea, 0:31:16.440 --> 0:31:19.170 and waters covered the earth. In Genesis, he says, there'll 0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:21.840 be no more sin. There'll be no more death. There'll 0:31:21.870 --> 0:31:25.620 be no more tears. So everything that, uh, that God 0:31:25.620 --> 0:31:28.470 intended in the original creation of heaven and earth will 0:31:28.470 --> 0:31:30.810 be accomplished in that new heaven and new earth. And 0:31:30.810 --> 0:31:32.580 that's why God says it's coming. 0:31:32.580 --> 0:31:35.730 It's the land. And the book from Moody Radio, our host, 0:31:35.730 --> 0:31:39.240 Doctor Charlie Dyer, answering your Bible questions like this one 0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:44.040 from Joyce. Can Christians today claim God's Old Testament promises 0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:45.030 to his people? 0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:47.540 Yeah, and this might come as a surprise, but not 0:31:47.540 --> 0:31:50.060 all promises given in the Bible are for all people. 0:31:50.090 --> 0:31:53.390 Now here's what I mean. Some are given to specific individuals. 0:31:53.390 --> 0:31:55.880 You know, God promised through Eli that Hannah would give 0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:58.550 birth to a son, and he promised through Elisha that 0:31:58.550 --> 0:32:01.010 the Shunammite woman would have a son. Now, those were 0:32:01.010 --> 0:32:04.430 specific promises to specific people, and someone who wants a 0:32:04.430 --> 0:32:08.480 child today can't automatically claim those promises for herself. Some 0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:11.930 promises are given specifically to Israel. The land was promised 0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:15.920 to them, and it contains specific boundaries. Now, even within Israel, 0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:19.310 certain areas were assigned to certain tribes, so someone from 0:32:19.310 --> 0:32:21.800 the tribe of Asher couldn't claim the land that was 0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:25.280 promised to the tribe of Ephraim, for example. Now, however, 0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:28.640 promises and principles in the Old Testament, though given to Israel, 0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:31.880 can many times be applied to the church, since they're 0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:35.400 grounded in the unchanging character of God. Best example I 0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:39.510 know First Corinthians chapter ten. Paul describes God's judgment on 0:32:39.510 --> 0:32:42.360 Israel during the wilderness wanderings, and then he says, these 0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:44.790 things happen to them as examples. They were written down 0:32:44.790 --> 0:32:48.120 as warning for us. The root cause for the temptations 0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:51.209 were similar, since human nature is the same. So Paul 0:32:51.210 --> 0:32:53.910 can use the lessons from Israel in the wilderness to 0:32:53.910 --> 0:32:57.030 apply to the largely Gentile church in Corinth. Now, the 0:32:57.030 --> 0:32:59.040 key in all of this is making sure we make 0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:03.660 a distinction between interpretation and application. We can apply principles 0:33:03.660 --> 0:33:06.240 from much of the Old Testament for today, but we 0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:08.880 need to guard against assuming that every promise in the 0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:11.430 Old Testament is a direct promise to us that we 0:33:11.430 --> 0:33:13.170 can automatically claim for ourselves. 0:33:13.650 --> 0:33:17.160 Maggie wonders, why did God give the land only to 0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:19.650 Isaac while Ishmael got nothing? 0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:22.430 Yeah, okay, I'll start with this. Uh, God owns everything, 0:33:22.430 --> 0:33:24.530 and he can give his land to whomever he wants. 0:33:24.620 --> 0:33:28.250 So the question assumes Isaac got everything and Ishmael got nothing. 0:33:28.250 --> 0:33:31.310 But that's really not true. You know, God did choose 0:33:31.310 --> 0:33:34.430 Isaac to be the heir of his land. Promised to Abraham. 0:33:34.430 --> 0:33:36.860 He says, your wife Sarah will bear you a son, 0:33:36.860 --> 0:33:39.170 and you'll call him Isaac. And I will establish my 0:33:39.170 --> 0:33:43.310 covenant with him as an everlasting covenant. But God also 0:33:43.310 --> 0:33:46.750 gave a promise and blessing to Ishmael. God told Hagar 0:33:46.750 --> 0:33:49.900 that he would so increase your descendants that they will 0:33:49.900 --> 0:33:54.220 be too numerous to count in Genesis 16. In Genesis 21, 0:33:54.220 --> 0:33:57.160 he says, God was with the boy Ishmael, and he 0:33:57.160 --> 0:34:00.130 grew up. Ishmael had 12 sons and dwelled in the 0:34:00.130 --> 0:34:03.070 area from Havilah to shore, near the border with Egypt, 0:34:03.070 --> 0:34:05.920 as you go toward Asher. So that's the area of 0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:09.719 the Arabian Peninsula from Egypt up to northern Iraq. Now, 0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:12.509 I think an illustration can help here. Individuals can make 0:34:12.510 --> 0:34:14.850 a will and they can leave their possessions to whomever 0:34:14.850 --> 0:34:17.700 they want. And while we might hope they'll share equally 0:34:17.700 --> 0:34:20.130 with all children, well, it's within their right to divide 0:34:20.130 --> 0:34:22.980 the inheritance however they want. They can do it because 0:34:22.980 --> 0:34:25.410 it belongs to them, not to the children. Uh, the 0:34:25.410 --> 0:34:28.890 bottom line is Ishmael was blessed, but his blessing didn't 0:34:28.890 --> 0:34:32.580 include the land God promised to Abraham. God directed that 0:34:32.580 --> 0:34:36.450 part of Abraham's inheritance to pass to Isaac and his descendants. 0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:41.340 Florence asks, how could Jesus be heard by 5000 people? 0:34:41.340 --> 0:34:44.700 Yeah, when he preached to the multitudes. Well, here's an 0:34:44.700 --> 0:34:48.750 illustration from D.L. Moody. In 1888, Moody preached at a 0:34:48.750 --> 0:34:52.770 campaign in Los Angeles, and 4000 people attended, and he 0:34:52.770 --> 0:34:54.390 spoke to all of them at one time, and he 0:34:54.390 --> 0:34:57.830 had no amplification. But before that, John Wesley wrote in 0:34:57.830 --> 0:35:01.430 his diary back in 1739, on November 11th, he said, 0:35:01.430 --> 0:35:05.000 I preached at 8:00 to 5 or 6000. There are 0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:07.760 several spots around the Sea of Galilee, where the hills 0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:11.120 slope up in a natural theatre shape. And if Jesus 0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:12.950 was on one of those, because he was by the 0:35:12.950 --> 0:35:16.160 Sea of Galilee, well, he spoke near the bottom. Those 0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:19.010 at the top could hear quite a ways. Uh, the 0:35:19.010 --> 0:35:20.840 Roman theater, and this is people need to go to 0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:22.690 Israel to see this. But the Roman theater at Beit 0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:26.500 She'an has a capacity of 7000. It's the largest in Israel. 0:35:26.500 --> 0:35:28.870 And somebody standing on the stage, they can be heard 0:35:28.870 --> 0:35:31.420 by everyone in that theater. And that's not the largest 0:35:31.420 --> 0:35:35.200 in Ephesus. There's a theater that holds 25,000. Wow. And 0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:37.359 it had no amplification. But the human voice is able 0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:40.150 to project to a large listening audience. 0:35:40.150 --> 0:35:42.880 Jeff is looking at Jewish laws and is wondering, is 0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:45.610 there any scripture that tells us how quickly a body 0:35:45.610 --> 0:35:48.270 should be buried after death? What do you think? 0:35:48.300 --> 0:35:51.180 Well, there are no specific scriptures I know of that 0:35:51.180 --> 0:35:53.160 say it has to be buried like within 24 hours, 0:35:53.160 --> 0:35:56.010 but that is the normal Jewish custom today. But there 0:35:56.010 --> 0:35:58.110 are some examples. In fact, one I love is acts 0:35:58.110 --> 0:36:01.440 chapter five. Ananias dies and it says, some young men 0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:03.990 came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out 0:36:03.989 --> 0:36:07.200 and buried him. His wife later came in, died, and 0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:09.719 was also buried. That said in verse ten there. But 0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:13.560 the interesting thing is, when Ananias died, he was buried immediately, 0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:17.009 even before his wife could be found and notified. Today, 0:36:17.010 --> 0:36:19.290 the Jewish custom is to bury an individual as soon 0:36:19.290 --> 0:36:22.440 as possible, unless it's a Sabbath or Jewish holiday. And 0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:24.990 that closely matches the examples that we do see in 0:36:24.989 --> 0:36:25.770 the Bible. 0:36:25.770 --> 0:36:27.480 And that's a look at some of the questions that 0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:29.820 have come in to us via email. And yours is 0:36:29.820 --> 0:36:35.390 welcome at the land and the book@moody.edu. Well, for many 0:36:35.390 --> 0:36:38.360 people it's their favorite segment of the entire broadcast, so 0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:42.050 don't go away. Charlie Dyer has handpicked a site in Israel. 0:36:42.050 --> 0:36:44.330 He's got a devotional lined up for you. You're going 0:36:44.330 --> 0:36:46.640 to enjoy it. So keep it right here on Moody 0:36:46.640 --> 0:37:01.900 Radio's The Land and the book. Well, if you live 0:37:01.900 --> 0:37:05.589 in the south, the southwest, it's usually because you like 0:37:05.590 --> 0:37:08.920 the heat. Good for you. But, Charlie, you say there's 0:37:08.920 --> 0:37:11.980 one kind of heat that maybe we should avoid. 0:37:12.040 --> 0:37:13.989 Oh, yeah, John, there definitely is. 0:37:14.020 --> 0:37:16.810 All right. We're looking forward to your devotional. It's titled 0:37:16.810 --> 0:37:18.790 The One Kind of Heat to Avoid. You're going to 0:37:18.790 --> 0:37:22.380 take us to Proverbs 19 and 22. I understand, but 0:37:22.380 --> 0:37:25.350 not before we hear this Holy Land experience testimony. 0:37:29.219 --> 0:37:33.870 Hi, I'm Joe, and the thing that I love most 0:37:33.870 --> 0:37:36.990 about the trip to the Holy Land is the fact 0:37:36.989 --> 0:37:40.860 that it it brings it really brings the Bible alive. 0:37:40.860 --> 0:37:47.210 It really helps me to visualize the events and people 0:37:47.210 --> 0:37:53.029 and places of the Bible. Before I came here, there really, 0:37:53.030 --> 0:37:56.450 I had a lot of misperceptions as to what the 0:37:56.450 --> 0:38:01.339 images were that come into my head when I'm reading 0:38:01.340 --> 0:38:05.300 the Bible, and so I know it will. Definitely. It's 0:38:05.300 --> 0:38:10.220 going to change my reading of the Bible forever. I 0:38:10.219 --> 0:38:15.350 will read it with a much different perspective, have different images, 0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:19.160 have a different understanding as to what's being said. So 0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:24.080 it's been an absolutely enlightening experience. 0:38:25.850 --> 0:38:28.340 Charlie, I'm looking forward to your devotional. 0:38:28.370 --> 0:38:31.160 Well, John thanks. You travel to the desert southwest, as 0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:34.009 you mentioned, or to any area around the Dead Sea 0:38:34.030 --> 0:38:37.480 in Israel, and you quickly discover that summer is synonymous 0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:42.190 with sunshine and heat. Lots of heat. Phoenix experiences, on 0:38:42.190 --> 0:38:47.020 average 111 days per year above 100 degrees, and twice 0:38:47.020 --> 0:38:49.660 while hiking around the Dead Sea in the early summer, 0:38:49.660 --> 0:38:52.150 we had to help two of our tour participants who 0:38:52.150 --> 0:38:55.390 developed heat exhaustion that could easily have progressed to heat 0:38:55.390 --> 0:38:57.940 stroke had we not poured water on them to help 0:38:57.969 --> 0:39:01.000 them cool off, while also getting them to drink liquids 0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:05.380 to rehydrate them? Intense, prolonged exposure to heat and sun 0:39:05.380 --> 0:39:08.530 can be dangerous, but the Bible pictures an even more 0:39:08.530 --> 0:39:11.950 dangerous form of heat that we need to avoid and know. 0:39:11.950 --> 0:39:14.890 In this instance. I'm not talking about eternal judgment in 0:39:14.890 --> 0:39:17.650 the lake of fire, though that is certainly the ultimate 0:39:17.650 --> 0:39:20.319 kind of heat to avoid. I should add here that 0:39:20.320 --> 0:39:23.759 anyone listening needs to know Jesus is God's Son who 0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:26.009 came to earth to die on the cross to pay 0:39:26.010 --> 0:39:29.100 the penalty for our sins so we can avoid that 0:39:29.100 --> 0:39:31.920 eternal judgment in the lake of fire. So if you've 0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:36.420 not made that decision right now, jot down 1888. Need 0:39:36.420 --> 0:39:39.060 him and call that number as soon as I'm done. 0:39:39.060 --> 0:39:41.880 It could be the most important phone call you'll ever make. 0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:45.150 But now back to our story. Apart from avoiding the 0:39:45.150 --> 0:39:48.380 heat of eternal judgment, the Bible pictures another kind of 0:39:48.380 --> 0:39:51.169 heat we should avoid. And to introduce you to this 0:39:51.170 --> 0:39:52.969 type of heat, I want you to hop on our 0:39:52.969 --> 0:39:55.250 tour bus. As we head from our hotel to the 0:39:55.250 --> 0:39:58.070 top of the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem. It's a 0:39:58.070 --> 0:40:00.230 short drive, and I need to prepare you to face 0:40:00.230 --> 0:40:03.259 the multitude of peddlers who will descend on our group 0:40:03.260 --> 0:40:05.630 as we pile out of the bus. There can be 0:40:05.630 --> 0:40:08.210 the occasional pickpocket. So, men, put your wallet in the 0:40:08.210 --> 0:40:11.690 front pocket of your trousers and ladies, put the strap 0:40:11.690 --> 0:40:14.270 of your purse over your shoulder and hold on to 0:40:14.270 --> 0:40:17.540 it tightly. Now, most of these merchants are regulars who 0:40:17.540 --> 0:40:19.940 are simply trying to make a living and feed their families. 0:40:19.940 --> 0:40:22.460 So if you're not interested in what they're selling, just 0:40:22.460 --> 0:40:26.000 say no. But do so kindly. They'll understand. Well, at 0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:28.700 least most of them will. But there was a peddler 0:40:28.700 --> 0:40:31.969 up here who definitely took offence at everyone who refused 0:40:31.969 --> 0:40:35.129 to buy from him. He made the most obnoxious person 0:40:35.130 --> 0:40:38.819 you know seem quiet and polite. I don't know his 0:40:38.820 --> 0:40:41.850 Arabic name, but everyone called him Mike. He would stand 0:40:41.850 --> 0:40:44.910 just outside the bus, pushing his wares into the faces 0:40:44.910 --> 0:40:47.580 of the tourists as they stepped out, and once the 0:40:47.580 --> 0:40:50.250 first person said in a very kind manner, by the way, 0:40:50.250 --> 0:40:53.640 no thank you. Mike would launch into a profanity filled 0:40:53.670 --> 0:40:57.960 tirade against everyone on the bus. Mike knew every American 0:40:57.980 --> 0:41:03.590 expletive and as they say, could curse like a sailor. Angry, rude, offensive, 0:41:03.590 --> 0:41:08.210 almost threatening. Mike was like an unexploded landmine, just waiting 0:41:08.210 --> 0:41:10.910 for someone to step on the firing mechanism to set 0:41:10.910 --> 0:41:13.489 him off. One time as our bus pulled up and 0:41:13.489 --> 0:41:16.310 I saw Mike, I decided to do something different. I 0:41:16.310 --> 0:41:19.700 jumped off the bus before anyone else bounded up to him, 0:41:19.700 --> 0:41:22.549 addressed him by name, and asked him how he was doing. 0:41:22.550 --> 0:41:25.700 My display of kindness threw him for a loop, but 0:41:25.700 --> 0:41:28.070 before he could respond, I took him aside and said, Mike, 0:41:28.070 --> 0:41:30.770 I got to tell you, your anger and swearing don't 0:41:30.770 --> 0:41:33.710 help you make any sales. Not everyone's going to buy 0:41:33.710 --> 0:41:36.860 from you. But if you remain calm and kind, some will. 0:41:36.860 --> 0:41:40.219 Please don't shout and swear at our people. And after that, 0:41:40.219 --> 0:41:42.739 Mike did clean up his act, at least as far 0:41:42.739 --> 0:41:45.530 as our bus was concerned. But it was a very 0:41:45.530 --> 0:41:48.400 limited victory. A year or so later, on our way 0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:50.620 up to the Mount of Olives, my regular driver turned 0:41:50.620 --> 0:41:52.810 to me and said, you remember Mike up here on 0:41:52.810 --> 0:41:56.169 the Mount of Olives? Yeah, I do. Why? He was killed. 0:41:56.170 --> 0:41:58.690 He got angry and threatened to Palestinian who had a 0:41:58.690 --> 0:42:02.230 knife and stabbed him. Mike could never get his overheated 0:42:02.260 --> 0:42:06.370 temper under control and it cost him his life. Now, 0:42:06.370 --> 0:42:08.410 why go into that long story about Mike and the 0:42:08.410 --> 0:42:12.239 danger of anger and an overheated temper? It's because Solomon 0:42:12.239 --> 0:42:14.700 described anger as the kind of heat we need to 0:42:14.700 --> 0:42:18.420 avoid all the time, in both summer and winter. Let 0:42:18.420 --> 0:42:21.180 me share two sets of proverbs that focus on this 0:42:21.180 --> 0:42:25.650 one crucial truth. The first is Proverbs 1919. A hot 0:42:25.650 --> 0:42:29.040 tempered man must pay the penalty. If you rescue him, 0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:31.950 you'll have to do it again. Sadly, Mike was a 0:42:31.950 --> 0:42:34.820 good illustration of this. I tried to rescue him to 0:42:34.820 --> 0:42:37.490 help him gain sales by reminding him not to be 0:42:37.489 --> 0:42:40.280 so angry to the point of rudeness, and it worked 0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:43.280 for our groups, though I had to remind him each time. 0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:45.980 But as soon as our bus left and another arrived, 0:42:45.980 --> 0:42:49.129 Mike went back to his hot tempered nature until he 0:42:49.130 --> 0:42:52.520 spouted off to the wrong person. The second proverb is 0:42:52.520 --> 0:42:56.660 found in Proverbs 22. Verses 24 and 25. Do not 0:42:56.660 --> 0:42:59.630 make friends with a hot tempered man. Do not associate 0:42:59.630 --> 0:43:02.780 with one easily angered or you may learn his ways 0:43:02.780 --> 0:43:06.980 and get yourself ensnared. I was deliberately friendly toward Mike, 0:43:06.980 --> 0:43:10.340 but Mike was not a friend. He tolerated me because 0:43:10.340 --> 0:43:12.560 I helped him gain a few sales from those on 0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:15.290 our bus, and I treated him in a friendly way. 0:43:15.290 --> 0:43:17.959 For his sake and for the sake of our tourists. 0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:21.020 I chose not to learn Mike's ways, though I kept 0:43:21.020 --> 0:43:23.500 hoping he would begin to see and understand how a 0:43:23.500 --> 0:43:26.739 little kindness could go a long way toward helping increasing 0:43:26.739 --> 0:43:29.529 his sales. I do pity anyone who might have looked 0:43:29.530 --> 0:43:31.240 up to Mike to the point of trying to be 0:43:31.239 --> 0:43:34.330 like him. Thankfully, I never encountered anyone else on the 0:43:34.330 --> 0:43:37.089 Mount of Olives who seemed to follow in his path. 0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:39.730 If the heat of anger is something we want to avoid, 0:43:39.730 --> 0:43:41.980 what can we do to help make that a reality 0:43:41.980 --> 0:43:45.970 in our lives? And thankfully, Solomon once again has the answer, 0:43:45.969 --> 0:43:50.219 this time in Proverbs 15 verse one, a gentle answer 0:43:50.219 --> 0:43:53.670 turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger. 0:43:53.700 --> 0:43:57.390 The antidote to anger is gentleness, especially in the way 0:43:57.390 --> 0:44:01.259 we respond to someone in a stressful situation. And this 0:44:01.260 --> 0:44:04.650 brings to mind another situation with another vendor in Jerusalem, 0:44:04.650 --> 0:44:07.350 this time one from the Old City. I was leading 0:44:07.350 --> 0:44:10.080 a group of students who had gone shopping and managed 0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:13.910 to offend a shopkeeper by reaching an agreement on a price, 0:44:13.910 --> 0:44:16.339 only to leave his shop and go to another to 0:44:16.340 --> 0:44:19.460 buy the same item. The shopkeeper came to the school 0:44:19.460 --> 0:44:21.650 where we were staying to let us all know he 0:44:21.650 --> 0:44:25.730 wasn't happy. His reputation was called into question. He lost 0:44:25.730 --> 0:44:29.750 a sale and he was deeply offended by this perceived slight. 0:44:29.750 --> 0:44:32.180 As I met with the shopkeeper in the garden, the 0:44:32.180 --> 0:44:35.300 students were watching out the dining hall window. They heard 0:44:35.300 --> 0:44:38.660 the shopkeeper shout, I'm so angry I could kill them. 0:44:38.660 --> 0:44:41.390 What they did wasn't right. They stole the food right 0:44:41.390 --> 0:44:45.590 out of the mouths of my children. Remembering Proverbs 15 one, 0:44:45.590 --> 0:44:48.650 I said to him, you're right. That wasn't a nice 0:44:48.650 --> 0:44:51.650 thing to do. I'm sorry our students offended you and 0:44:51.650 --> 0:44:55.819 I apologize for their actions. The shopkeeper calmed down and 0:44:55.820 --> 0:44:59.379 we parted and remained good friends until the day he 0:44:59.380 --> 0:45:02.710 died of natural causes. In my office I still have 0:45:02.710 --> 0:45:05.440 an olive wood statue he later gave me as a 0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:08.650 token of friendship. So what lessons can we take away 0:45:08.650 --> 0:45:12.130 from these three sets of related proverbs? I think the 0:45:12.130 --> 0:45:15.040 key lesson is to work hard to control our emotions 0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:18.550 and our tongue. It's so easy to become angry when 0:45:18.550 --> 0:45:21.820 we feel as if we've been wronged or disrespected or 0:45:21.820 --> 0:45:24.839 cheated or offended in a myriad of ways, and in 0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:26.939 the heat of anger, the tongue is often the weapon 0:45:26.969 --> 0:45:30.060 of choice to lash back at those who've hurt us. 0:45:30.060 --> 0:45:34.020 Allowing emotions to run unchecked is a recipe for disaster. 0:45:34.050 --> 0:45:37.319 Avoid those who are prone to such outbursts of anger, 0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:40.320 and work to control how you respond. When you feel 0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:44.370 wronged or offended, remember, a gentle answer turns away wrath, 0:45:44.370 --> 0:45:47.750 but a harsh word stirs up anger. It's no accident 0:45:47.750 --> 0:45:51.830 that Solomon's wise words are repeated throughout the Bible. Among 0:45:51.830 --> 0:45:54.700 the acts of the sinful nature in Galatians 519 to 0:45:54.700 --> 0:45:59.390 20 are hatred, discord, and fits of rage, and among 0:45:59.390 --> 0:46:02.000 the fruit of the spirit in verses 22 to 23 0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:08.060 are love, joy, peace, and patience, along with kindness, gentleness, 0:46:08.060 --> 0:46:12.600 and self-control. Remember the best way to respond wisely is 0:46:12.600 --> 0:46:15.029 to respond through the fruit of the spirit as we 0:46:15.030 --> 0:46:17.760 allow God to produce them in our lives. 0:46:17.969 --> 0:46:20.850 Charlie Dyer there with his devotional The One Kind of 0:46:20.850 --> 0:46:23.489 Heat to Avoid. 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