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S3: You know, so so there was I don't want to

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S1: What was that like for your community?

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S3: We went to sleep on the sixth like any other night.

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S3: I didn't know what was happening outside. All we knew

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S3: It's not fun, you know, after two and a half weeks,

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S5: You can check out the stream.

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S6: And then.

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S6: At a time. And I'm I'm.

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S1: I'm in favor of the stabbing operations. I support anyone

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S1: to sum it all up, I'm for it. Deborah, how

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S3: That's a question I ask every day. It doesn't fit

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S3: is this is training. This is where it begins, right

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S3: of terrorists who teach it to their children? It blows

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S3: It's child abuse. It's child abuse. It blows my mind

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S3: And I'm telling you that the only thing I can

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S1: Well, listeners to the land in the book want to

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S1: make a difference, Deborah. But we feel, I think, rather powerless.

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S1: We're praying for the peace of Jerusalem, as we're told

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S1: in Psalm 122 six, what can we do as concerned

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S1: Americans beyond that?

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S3: You're doing it right here, that you're interviewing me, that

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S3: don't blame people that aren't seeking out the truth and

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S3: are sitting down. We think that we're getting the news.

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S3: We're trusting the news. We're trusting the media. If you

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S3: don't have a connection to Israel, to the Jewish people,

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S3: to the Christian people, the Muslim people, if you don't

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S3: have a connection to to the history and to the

445
00:24:10,900 --> 00:24:14,410
S3: land and to the the truth, and you just sit

446
00:24:14,410 --> 00:24:16,120
S3: down and turn on the news, that's what you're going

447
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,030
S3: to see in Israel is not perfect. I'm not saying

448
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S3: Israel is perfect. I'm not saying the government is perfect.

449
00:24:21,310 --> 00:24:23,919
S3: I'm not saying, you know, the Jews are better than anyone,

450
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S3: but there's facts and there's history. And I really just

451
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S3: encourage people to please seek it out. Don't get on

452
00:24:30,550 --> 00:24:33,880
S3: to TikTok and get all sucked into, you know social

453
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,810
S3: media is good and bad. And in this scenario, the

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S3: bad is that it feeds you what you want to see.

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S3: So if you're going to get on that anti-Israel bandwagon, woohoo, Palestine,

456
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S3: that's what you're going to keep seeing. I just encourage

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00:24:48,130 --> 00:24:51,790
S3: people to please seek out the truth, seek out, you know,

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00:24:51,790 --> 00:24:55,090
S3: watch the news from Israel. You can go online. You

459
00:24:55,090 --> 00:24:58,770
S3: can watch I24 news. I watch the daily briefings that

460
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S3: are coming out of the government office in Israel. On YouTube.

461
00:25:01,830 --> 00:25:04,590
S3: You can find the daily briefings. I get a lot

462
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S3: of my news that way. So that's what you could

463
00:25:06,930 --> 00:25:10,290
S3: do and what you're doing. Just spread the word. Interview people,

464
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S3: ask people, you know, in the beginning when I started speaking,

465
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S3: I was mostly speaking just to to Jewish communities. And

466
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S3: I thought, well, they obviously already support, I have to

467
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,490
S3: get out to other communities. But then I thought, that's

468
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S3: not even the right way to think, because everyone knows

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S3: 100 other people, who know 100 other people who know

470
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S3: 100 other people, and somebody in there is going to

471
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,950
S3: deny this or going to be on the wrong side

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S3: or not be educated. So that's my long answer. But

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S3: there's something I know. It's a helpless feeling, but that's

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S3: what everybody could be doing.

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S1: That's good advice. Thank you Deborah, appreciate your time, your

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S1: story and your honesty with us here on the land

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S1: and the book.

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S3: Thank you so much for having me. Keep up the

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S3: good work.

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S1: And we're looking forward to our next segment. It's Charlie

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S1: Dyer back. You know what it is. Questions and answers

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S1: right here. Thank you for making the land and the

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S1: book part of your day. Our host is Doctor Charlie Dyer.

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S1: I'm John Gieger, and in this segment we take a

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S1: look at your questions. But you know, first this quick thought,

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S1: Israel has been in the news a lot over the

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S1: past year. And as we know, the Bible is jam

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S1: packed with end times prophecies about epic world events, the

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S1: regathering of the Jewish people to their ancient homeland. And

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S1: and of course, Jesus soon returned. It is crucial, though,

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S1: for us as believers to have a proper understanding of

492
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S1: Bible prophecy. So our view of the future is shaped

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S1: by Scripture and not just today's headlines or our own whims. Right, Charlie?

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S2: That's right. And with that in mind, our friends at

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S2: scriptures say about these issues. If you're interested in learning

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S1: All right. Question number one is fascinating. A lot of

507
00:27:23,740 --> 00:27:26,229
S1: people have wondered about this. So Charlie, here it is.

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S1: We're Ishmael, Adam and Eve saved.

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S2: Yeah. Let me start with the Adam and Eve. I

510
00:27:31,930 --> 00:27:34,810
S2: think that's easier to answer. The fact that God clothed

511
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S2: them with animal skins in Genesis, I believe, is more

512
00:27:37,660 --> 00:27:40,000
S2: than just a picture of God as the ultimate tailor.

513
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,820
S2: God had an animal die to provide a covering for

514
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S2: their nakedness and by extension, for the sin they had committed.

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S2: I believe that's a picture of the ultimate sacrifice God

516
00:27:48,910 --> 00:27:51,520
S2: would provide for the human race. But the fact God

517
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,520
S2: provided it and they accepted it, would indicate to me

518
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,879
S2: that they experienced his forgiveness. Now it's more difficult to

519
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,370
S2: say with Ishmael, though. I like to believe he was

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00:28:00,369 --> 00:28:02,260
S2: a man of faith, and I base that on some

521
00:28:02,260 --> 00:28:07,090
S2: rather vague references. In Genesis 17, for example, Abraham expressed

522
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S2: a wish that Ishmael might live under God's blessing, and

523
00:28:10,290 --> 00:28:12,750
S2: God told Abraham he had heard him and that he

524
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S2: would bless Ishmael. Now, what follows is primarily physical in nature,

525
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S2: but I would hope that there was a spiritual component

526
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S2: to that blessing. And I also note, when Abraham died,

527
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S2: both Isaac and Ishmael joined together to bury him at

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S2: the cave of Machpelah. That same chapter then describes the

529
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S2: nations that descended from Ishmael. So the Bible presents Ishmael

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S2: in a positive light, faithful to his father, in good

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S2: relationship to his brother, and being blessed by God. And

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S2: while the blessings again are primarily physical in nature, it's

533
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S2: possible they flowed from a heart of faith and were

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S2: matched by God's spiritual blessing as well.

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S1: Another question that looks forward can believers in heaven see

536
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S1: what we are doing down here on earth? Bob wants

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S1: to know.

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00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:55,800
S2: Yeah, and the Bible doesn't clearly say, one way or another,

539
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,030
S2: that those in heaven can see what's taking place here

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S2: on earth. Uh, where the Bible is silent. Then I

541
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S2: think we need to tread very carefully that we do

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S2: know from the parable Jesus told of the rich man

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S2: and Lazarus, that those who died have a conscious existence,

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S2: and in the case of that rich man, might even

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S2: include concern about those who remain behind on earth. Remember,

546
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S2: he asked, to be able to go back and warn

547
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S2: his brothers of what was coming. Now we know in

548
00:29:19,210 --> 00:29:21,960
S2: revelation six, uh, the fifth seal is opened. It says,

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S2: martyrs in heaven. Ask God when he's going to intervene

550
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,780
S2: and judge and avenge their wrongful deaths. But we're not

551
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S2: told that they have an opportunity to see what actually happens.

552
00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:34,050
S2: So here's the real question. Once we're actually in heaven

553
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S2: and we're seeing it's indescribable beauty, and we're in the

554
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S2: presence of God and the Lord Jesus, and our eyes

555
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S2: are open to see the millions of angels and all

556
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S2: of those wondrous things. Will we even want to look

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S2: back to see what's happening here on Earth? I tend

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S2: to think of that old gospel song, and I think

559
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,030
S2: it got it right. And the things of earth will

560
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S2: grow strangely dim in the light of his glory and grace.

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S1: Jonathan wants to know what is the need for a

562
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S1: new heaven if there is no sin in heaven now?

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00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,540
S2: Yeah, and actually, the Bible doesn't say there's no sin

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S2: in heaven. The Bible actually depicts different realms that we

565
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S2: collectively call heaven. You know, we we know the atmosphere

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S2: around us is called heaven. You know, in the beginning,

567
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,530
S2: God created the heavens plural and the earth. Uh, in

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S2: Ezekiel 28, Satan is described as an anointed cherub who

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S2: dwelt on God's holy mountain until he sinned. And that's

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S2: actually picturing him in heaven. And by the time Satan

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S2: appears in the Garden of Eden, he'd already sinned. So

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S2: sin actually originated in heaven. And the passage says, God

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S2: drove him out of the Mount of God, which must

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S2: refer to that highest part of heaven where God's dwelling

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S2: place is. But Satan still had access to at least

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S2: part of heaven. You know, in job chapters one and two,

577
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S2: he appeared before God in heaven to accuse job. Uh,

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S2: in revelation 12 we're told about a future war in

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S2: heaven when Satan and his angelic followers are finally banished

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S2: from all of heaven and cast to earth. So all

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S2: of that, to answer the question, why a new heaven

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S2: and new earth? Well, God's indicating that he intended his

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S2: creation to be perfect, and ultimately he's going to accomplish

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S2: that in his new heaven and earth. This includes his

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S2: plan for the created realm, for heaven and earth itself,

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00:31:07,890 --> 00:31:11,070
S2: for the angelic realm, and for humanity. I love the

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S2: phrases that are in revelation. There'll be no more night.

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00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:16,440
S2: You know, darkness began in Genesis. There'll be no more sea,

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S2: and waters covered the earth. In Genesis, he says, there'll

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S2: be no more sin. There'll be no more death. There'll

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S2: be no more tears. So everything that, uh, that God

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S2: intended in the original creation of heaven and earth will

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S2: be accomplished in that new heaven and new earth. And

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S2: that's why God says it's coming.

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S1: It's the land. And the book from Moody Radio, our host,

596
00:31:35,730 --> 00:31:39,240
S1: Doctor Charlie Dyer, answering your Bible questions like this one

597
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S1: from Joyce. Can Christians today claim God's Old Testament promises

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S1: to his people?

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00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,540
S2: Yeah, and this might come as a surprise, but not

600
00:31:47,540 --> 00:31:50,060
S2: all promises given in the Bible are for all people.

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00:31:50,090 --> 00:31:53,390
S2: Now here's what I mean. Some are given to specific individuals.

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00:31:53,390 --> 00:31:55,880
S2: You know, God promised through Eli that Hannah would give

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S2: birth to a son, and he promised through Elisha that

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S2: the Shunammite woman would have a son. Now, those were

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00:32:01,010 --> 00:32:04,430
S2: specific promises to specific people, and someone who wants a

606
00:32:04,430 --> 00:32:08,480
S2: child today can't automatically claim those promises for herself. Some

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00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,930
S2: promises are given specifically to Israel. The land was promised

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S2: to them, and it contains specific boundaries. Now, even within Israel,

609
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,310
S2: certain areas were assigned to certain tribes, so someone from

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00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:21,800
S2: the tribe of Asher couldn't claim the land that was

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S2: promised to the tribe of Ephraim, for example. Now, however,

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00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,640
S2: promises and principles in the Old Testament, though given to Israel,

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00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,880
S2: can many times be applied to the church, since they're

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S2: grounded in the unchanging character of God. Best example I

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00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,510
S2: know First Corinthians chapter ten. Paul describes God's judgment on

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S2: Israel during the wilderness wanderings, and then he says, these

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00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,790
S2: things happen to them as examples. They were written down

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00:32:44,790 --> 00:32:48,120
S2: as warning for us. The root cause for the temptations

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00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,209
S2: were similar, since human nature is the same. So Paul

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00:32:51,210 --> 00:32:53,910
S2: can use the lessons from Israel in the wilderness to

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S2: apply to the largely Gentile church in Corinth. Now, the

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00:32:57,030 --> 00:32:59,040
S2: key in all of this is making sure we make

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S2: a distinction between interpretation and application. We can apply principles

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S2: from much of the Old Testament for today, but we

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00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,880
S2: need to guard against assuming that every promise in the

626
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,430
S2: Old Testament is a direct promise to us that we

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S2: can automatically claim for ourselves.

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S1: Maggie wonders, why did God give the land only to

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S1: Isaac while Ishmael got nothing?

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S2: Yeah, okay, I'll start with this. Uh, God owns everything,

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S2: and he can give his land to whomever he wants.

632
00:33:24,620 --> 00:33:28,250
S2: So the question assumes Isaac got everything and Ishmael got nothing.

633
00:33:28,250 --> 00:33:31,310
S2: But that's really not true. You know, God did choose

634
00:33:31,310 --> 00:33:34,430
S2: Isaac to be the heir of his land. Promised to Abraham.

635
00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:36,860
S2: He says, your wife Sarah will bear you a son,

636
00:33:36,860 --> 00:33:39,170
S2: and you'll call him Isaac. And I will establish my

637
00:33:39,170 --> 00:33:43,310
S2: covenant with him as an everlasting covenant. But God also

638
00:33:43,310 --> 00:33:46,750
S2: gave a promise and blessing to Ishmael. God told Hagar

639
00:33:46,750 --> 00:33:49,900
S2: that he would so increase your descendants that they will

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00:33:49,900 --> 00:33:54,220
S2: be too numerous to count in Genesis 16. In Genesis 21,

641
00:33:54,220 --> 00:33:57,160
S2: he says, God was with the boy Ishmael, and he

642
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,130
S2: grew up. Ishmael had 12 sons and dwelled in the

643
00:34:00,130 --> 00:34:03,070
S2: area from Havilah to shore, near the border with Egypt,

644
00:34:03,070 --> 00:34:05,920
S2: as you go toward Asher. So that's the area of

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00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,719
S2: the Arabian Peninsula from Egypt up to northern Iraq. Now,

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00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,509
S2: I think an illustration can help here. Individuals can make

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00:34:12,510 --> 00:34:14,850
S2: a will and they can leave their possessions to whomever

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00:34:14,850 --> 00:34:17,700
S2: they want. And while we might hope they'll share equally

649
00:34:17,700 --> 00:34:20,130
S2: with all children, well, it's within their right to divide

650
00:34:20,130 --> 00:34:22,980
S2: the inheritance however they want. They can do it because

651
00:34:22,980 --> 00:34:25,410
S2: it belongs to them, not to the children. Uh, the

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00:34:25,410 --> 00:34:28,890
S2: bottom line is Ishmael was blessed, but his blessing didn't

653
00:34:28,890 --> 00:34:32,580
S2: include the land God promised to Abraham. God directed that

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S2: part of Abraham's inheritance to pass to Isaac and his descendants.

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S1: Florence asks, how could Jesus be heard by 5000 people?

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00:34:41,340 --> 00:34:44,700
S2: Yeah, when he preached to the multitudes. Well, here's an

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00:34:44,700 --> 00:34:48,750
S2: illustration from D.L. Moody. In 1888, Moody preached at a

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S2: campaign in Los Angeles, and 4000 people attended, and he

659
00:34:52,770 --> 00:34:54,390
S2: spoke to all of them at one time, and he

660
00:34:54,390 --> 00:34:57,830
S2: had no amplification. But before that, John Wesley wrote in

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S2: his diary back in 1739, on November 11th, he said,

662
00:35:01,430 --> 00:35:05,000
S2: I preached at 8:00 to 5 or 6000. There are

663
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,760
S2: several spots around the Sea of Galilee, where the hills

664
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,120
S2: slope up in a natural theatre shape. And if Jesus

665
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,950
S2: was on one of those, because he was by the

666
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:16,160
S2: Sea of Galilee, well, he spoke near the bottom. Those

667
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,010
S2: at the top could hear quite a ways. Uh, the

668
00:35:19,010 --> 00:35:20,840
S2: Roman theater, and this is people need to go to

669
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,690
S2: Israel to see this. But the Roman theater at Beit

670
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,500
S2: She'an has a capacity of 7000. It's the largest in Israel.

671
00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:28,870
S2: And somebody standing on the stage, they can be heard

672
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:31,420
S2: by everyone in that theater. And that's not the largest

673
00:35:31,420 --> 00:35:35,200
S2: in Ephesus. There's a theater that holds 25,000. Wow. And

674
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,359
S2: it had no amplification. But the human voice is able

675
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,150
S2: to project to a large listening audience.

676
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:42,880
S1: Jeff is looking at Jewish laws and is wondering, is

677
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,610
S1: there any scripture that tells us how quickly a body

678
00:35:45,610 --> 00:35:48,270
S1: should be buried after death? What do you think?

679
00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:51,180
S2: Well, there are no specific scriptures I know of that

680
00:35:51,180 --> 00:35:53,160
S2: say it has to be buried like within 24 hours,

681
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,010
S2: but that is the normal Jewish custom today. But there

682
00:35:56,010 --> 00:35:58,110
S2: are some examples. In fact, one I love is acts

683
00:35:58,110 --> 00:36:01,440
S2: chapter five. Ananias dies and it says, some young men

684
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,990
S2: came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out

685
00:36:03,989 --> 00:36:07,200
S2: and buried him. His wife later came in, died, and

686
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,719
S2: was also buried. That said in verse ten there. But

687
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,560
S2: the interesting thing is, when Ananias died, he was buried immediately,

688
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,009
S2: even before his wife could be found and notified. Today,

689
00:36:17,010 --> 00:36:19,290
S2: the Jewish custom is to bury an individual as soon

690
00:36:19,290 --> 00:36:22,440
S2: as possible, unless it's a Sabbath or Jewish holiday. And

691
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,990
S2: that closely matches the examples that we do see in

692
00:36:24,989 --> 00:36:25,770
S2: the Bible.

693
00:36:25,770 --> 00:36:27,480
S1: And that's a look at some of the questions that

694
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,820
S1: have come in to us via email. And yours is

695
00:36:29,820 --> 00:36:35,390
S1: welcome at the land and the book@moody.edu. Well, for many

696
00:36:35,390 --> 00:36:38,360
S1: people it's their favorite segment of the entire broadcast, so

697
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,050
S1: don't go away. Charlie Dyer has handpicked a site in Israel.

698
00:36:42,050 --> 00:36:44,330
S1: He's got a devotional lined up for you. You're going

699
00:36:44,330 --> 00:36:46,640
S1: to enjoy it. So keep it right here on Moody

700
00:36:46,640 --> 00:37:01,900
S1: Radio's The Land and the book. Well, if you live

701
00:37:01,900 --> 00:37:05,589
S1: in the south, the southwest, it's usually because you like

702
00:37:05,590 --> 00:37:08,920
S1: the heat. Good for you. But, Charlie, you say there's

703
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,980
S1: one kind of heat that maybe we should avoid.

704
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,989
S2: Oh, yeah, John, there definitely is.

705
00:37:14,020 --> 00:37:16,810
S1: All right. We're looking forward to your devotional. It's titled

706
00:37:16,810 --> 00:37:18,790
S1: The One Kind of Heat to Avoid. You're going to

707
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:22,380
S1: take us to Proverbs 19 and 22. I understand, but

708
00:37:22,380 --> 00:37:25,350
S1: not before we hear this Holy Land experience testimony.

709
00:37:29,219 --> 00:37:33,870
S7: Hi, I'm Joe, and the thing that I love most

710
00:37:33,870 --> 00:37:36,990
S7: about the trip to the Holy Land is the fact

711
00:37:36,989 --> 00:37:40,860
S7: that it it brings it really brings the Bible alive.

712
00:37:40,860 --> 00:37:47,210
S7: It really helps me to visualize the events and people

713
00:37:47,210 --> 00:37:53,029
S7: and places of the Bible. Before I came here, there really,

714
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:56,450
S7: I had a lot of misperceptions as to what the

715
00:37:56,450 --> 00:38:01,339
S7: images were that come into my head when I'm reading

716
00:38:01,340 --> 00:38:05,300
S7: the Bible, and so I know it will. Definitely. It's

717
00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:10,220
S7: going to change my reading of the Bible forever. I

718
00:38:10,219 --> 00:38:15,350
S7: will read it with a much different perspective, have different images,

719
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,160
S7: have a different understanding as to what's being said. So

720
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:24,080
S7: it's been an absolutely enlightening experience.

721
00:38:25,850 --> 00:38:28,340
S1: Charlie, I'm looking forward to your devotional.

722
00:38:28,370 --> 00:38:31,160
S2: Well, John thanks. You travel to the desert southwest, as

723
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,009
S2: you mentioned, or to any area around the Dead Sea

724
00:38:34,030 --> 00:38:37,480
S2: in Israel, and you quickly discover that summer is synonymous

725
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:42,190
S2: with sunshine and heat. Lots of heat. Phoenix experiences, on

726
00:38:42,190 --> 00:38:47,020
S2: average 111 days per year above 100 degrees, and twice

727
00:38:47,020 --> 00:38:49,660
S2: while hiking around the Dead Sea in the early summer,

728
00:38:49,660 --> 00:38:52,150
S2: we had to help two of our tour participants who

729
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:55,390
S2: developed heat exhaustion that could easily have progressed to heat

730
00:38:55,390 --> 00:38:57,940
S2: stroke had we not poured water on them to help

731
00:38:57,969 --> 00:39:01,000
S2: them cool off, while also getting them to drink liquids

732
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,380
S2: to rehydrate them? Intense, prolonged exposure to heat and sun

733
00:39:05,380 --> 00:39:08,530
S2: can be dangerous, but the Bible pictures an even more

734
00:39:08,530 --> 00:39:11,950
S2: dangerous form of heat that we need to avoid and know.

735
00:39:11,950 --> 00:39:14,890
S2: In this instance. I'm not talking about eternal judgment in

736
00:39:14,890 --> 00:39:17,650
S2: the lake of fire, though that is certainly the ultimate

737
00:39:17,650 --> 00:39:20,319
S2: kind of heat to avoid. I should add here that

738
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,759
S2: anyone listening needs to know Jesus is God's Son who

739
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,009
S2: came to earth to die on the cross to pay

740
00:39:26,010 --> 00:39:29,100
S2: the penalty for our sins so we can avoid that

741
00:39:29,100 --> 00:39:31,920
S2: eternal judgment in the lake of fire. So if you've

742
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,420
S2: not made that decision right now, jot down 1888. Need

743
00:39:36,420 --> 00:39:39,060
S2: him and call that number as soon as I'm done.

744
00:39:39,060 --> 00:39:41,880
S2: It could be the most important phone call you'll ever make.

745
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,150
S2: But now back to our story. Apart from avoiding the

746
00:39:45,150 --> 00:39:48,380
S2: heat of eternal judgment, the Bible pictures another kind of

747
00:39:48,380 --> 00:39:51,169
S2: heat we should avoid. And to introduce you to this

748
00:39:51,170 --> 00:39:52,969
S2: type of heat, I want you to hop on our

749
00:39:52,969 --> 00:39:55,250
S2: tour bus. As we head from our hotel to the

750
00:39:55,250 --> 00:39:58,070
S2: top of the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem. It's a

751
00:39:58,070 --> 00:40:00,230
S2: short drive, and I need to prepare you to face

752
00:40:00,230 --> 00:40:03,259
S2: the multitude of peddlers who will descend on our group

753
00:40:03,260 --> 00:40:05,630
S2: as we pile out of the bus. There can be

754
00:40:05,630 --> 00:40:08,210
S2: the occasional pickpocket. So, men, put your wallet in the

755
00:40:08,210 --> 00:40:11,690
S2: front pocket of your trousers and ladies, put the strap

756
00:40:11,690 --> 00:40:14,270
S2: of your purse over your shoulder and hold on to

757
00:40:14,270 --> 00:40:17,540
S2: it tightly. Now, most of these merchants are regulars who

758
00:40:17,540 --> 00:40:19,940
S2: are simply trying to make a living and feed their families.

759
00:40:19,940 --> 00:40:22,460
S2: So if you're not interested in what they're selling, just

760
00:40:22,460 --> 00:40:26,000
S2: say no. But do so kindly. They'll understand. Well, at

761
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,700
S2: least most of them will. But there was a peddler

762
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:31,969
S2: up here who definitely took offence at everyone who refused

763
00:40:31,969 --> 00:40:35,129
S2: to buy from him. He made the most obnoxious person

764
00:40:35,130 --> 00:40:38,819
S2: you know seem quiet and polite. I don't know his

765
00:40:38,820 --> 00:40:41,850
S2: Arabic name, but everyone called him Mike. He would stand

766
00:40:41,850 --> 00:40:44,910
S2: just outside the bus, pushing his wares into the faces

767
00:40:44,910 --> 00:40:47,580
S2: of the tourists as they stepped out, and once the

768
00:40:47,580 --> 00:40:50,250
S2: first person said in a very kind manner, by the way,

769
00:40:50,250 --> 00:40:53,640
S2: no thank you. Mike would launch into a profanity filled

770
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:57,960
S2: tirade against everyone on the bus. Mike knew every American

771
00:40:57,980 --> 00:41:03,590
S2: expletive and as they say, could curse like a sailor. Angry, rude, offensive,

772
00:41:03,590 --> 00:41:08,210
S2: almost threatening. Mike was like an unexploded landmine, just waiting

773
00:41:08,210 --> 00:41:10,910
S2: for someone to step on the firing mechanism to set

774
00:41:10,910 --> 00:41:13,489
S2: him off. One time as our bus pulled up and

775
00:41:13,489 --> 00:41:16,310
S2: I saw Mike, I decided to do something different. I

776
00:41:16,310 --> 00:41:19,700
S2: jumped off the bus before anyone else bounded up to him,

777
00:41:19,700 --> 00:41:22,549
S2: addressed him by name, and asked him how he was doing.

778
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:25,700
S2: My display of kindness threw him for a loop, but

779
00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:28,070
S2: before he could respond, I took him aside and said, Mike,

780
00:41:28,070 --> 00:41:30,770
S2: I got to tell you, your anger and swearing don't

781
00:41:30,770 --> 00:41:33,710
S2: help you make any sales. Not everyone's going to buy

782
00:41:33,710 --> 00:41:36,860
S2: from you. But if you remain calm and kind, some will.

783
00:41:36,860 --> 00:41:40,219
S2: Please don't shout and swear at our people. And after that,

784
00:41:40,219 --> 00:41:42,739
S2: Mike did clean up his act, at least as far

785
00:41:42,739 --> 00:41:45,530
S2: as our bus was concerned. But it was a very

786
00:41:45,530 --> 00:41:48,400
S2: limited victory. A year or so later, on our way

787
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,620
S2: up to the Mount of Olives, my regular driver turned

788
00:41:50,620 --> 00:41:52,810
S2: to me and said, you remember Mike up here on

789
00:41:52,810 --> 00:41:56,169
S2: the Mount of Olives? Yeah, I do. Why? He was killed.

790
00:41:56,170 --> 00:41:58,690
S2: He got angry and threatened to Palestinian who had a

791
00:41:58,690 --> 00:42:02,230
S2: knife and stabbed him. Mike could never get his overheated

792
00:42:02,260 --> 00:42:06,370
S2: temper under control and it cost him his life. Now,

793
00:42:06,370 --> 00:42:08,410
S2: why go into that long story about Mike and the

794
00:42:08,410 --> 00:42:12,239
S2: danger of anger and an overheated temper? It's because Solomon

795
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,700
S2: described anger as the kind of heat we need to

796
00:42:14,700 --> 00:42:18,420
S2: avoid all the time, in both summer and winter. Let

797
00:42:18,420 --> 00:42:21,180
S2: me share two sets of proverbs that focus on this

798
00:42:21,180 --> 00:42:25,650
S2: one crucial truth. The first is Proverbs 1919. A hot

799
00:42:25,650 --> 00:42:29,040
S2: tempered man must pay the penalty. If you rescue him,

800
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,950
S2: you'll have to do it again. Sadly, Mike was a

801
00:42:31,950 --> 00:42:34,820
S2: good illustration of this. I tried to rescue him to

802
00:42:34,820 --> 00:42:37,490
S2: help him gain sales by reminding him not to be

803
00:42:37,489 --> 00:42:40,280
S2: so angry to the point of rudeness, and it worked

804
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,280
S2: for our groups, though I had to remind him each time.

805
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,980
S2: But as soon as our bus left and another arrived,

806
00:42:45,980 --> 00:42:49,129
S2: Mike went back to his hot tempered nature until he

807
00:42:49,130 --> 00:42:52,520
S2: spouted off to the wrong person. The second proverb is

808
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:56,660
S2: found in Proverbs 22. Verses 24 and 25. Do not

809
00:42:56,660 --> 00:42:59,630
S2: make friends with a hot tempered man. Do not associate

810
00:42:59,630 --> 00:43:02,780
S2: with one easily angered or you may learn his ways

811
00:43:02,780 --> 00:43:06,980
S2: and get yourself ensnared. I was deliberately friendly toward Mike,

812
00:43:06,980 --> 00:43:10,340
S2: but Mike was not a friend. He tolerated me because

813
00:43:10,340 --> 00:43:12,560
S2: I helped him gain a few sales from those on

814
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,290
S2: our bus, and I treated him in a friendly way.

815
00:43:15,290 --> 00:43:17,959
S2: For his sake and for the sake of our tourists.

816
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,020
S2: I chose not to learn Mike's ways, though I kept

817
00:43:21,020 --> 00:43:23,500
S2: hoping he would begin to see and understand how a

818
00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:26,739
S2: little kindness could go a long way toward helping increasing

819
00:43:26,739 --> 00:43:29,529
S2: his sales. I do pity anyone who might have looked

820
00:43:29,530 --> 00:43:31,240
S2: up to Mike to the point of trying to be

821
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,330
S2: like him. Thankfully, I never encountered anyone else on the

822
00:43:34,330 --> 00:43:37,089
S2: Mount of Olives who seemed to follow in his path.

823
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,730
S2: If the heat of anger is something we want to avoid,

824
00:43:39,730 --> 00:43:41,980
S2: what can we do to help make that a reality

825
00:43:41,980 --> 00:43:45,970
S2: in our lives? And thankfully, Solomon once again has the answer,

826
00:43:45,969 --> 00:43:50,219
S2: this time in Proverbs 15 verse one, a gentle answer

827
00:43:50,219 --> 00:43:53,670
S2: turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.

828
00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:57,390
S2: The antidote to anger is gentleness, especially in the way

829
00:43:57,390 --> 00:44:01,259
S2: we respond to someone in a stressful situation. And this

830
00:44:01,260 --> 00:44:04,650
S2: brings to mind another situation with another vendor in Jerusalem,

831
00:44:04,650 --> 00:44:07,350
S2: this time one from the Old City. I was leading

832
00:44:07,350 --> 00:44:10,080
S2: a group of students who had gone shopping and managed

833
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,910
S2: to offend a shopkeeper by reaching an agreement on a price,

834
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:16,339
S2: only to leave his shop and go to another to

835
00:44:16,340 --> 00:44:19,460
S2: buy the same item. The shopkeeper came to the school

836
00:44:19,460 --> 00:44:21,650
S2: where we were staying to let us all know he

837
00:44:21,650 --> 00:44:25,730
S2: wasn't happy. His reputation was called into question. He lost

838
00:44:25,730 --> 00:44:29,750
S2: a sale and he was deeply offended by this perceived slight.

839
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:32,180
S2: As I met with the shopkeeper in the garden, the

840
00:44:32,180 --> 00:44:35,300
S2: students were watching out the dining hall window. They heard

841
00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:38,660
S2: the shopkeeper shout, I'm so angry I could kill them.

842
00:44:38,660 --> 00:44:41,390
S2: What they did wasn't right. They stole the food right

843
00:44:41,390 --> 00:44:45,590
S2: out of the mouths of my children. Remembering Proverbs 15 one,

844
00:44:45,590 --> 00:44:48,650
S2: I said to him, you're right. That wasn't a nice

845
00:44:48,650 --> 00:44:51,650
S2: thing to do. I'm sorry our students offended you and

846
00:44:51,650 --> 00:44:55,819
S2: I apologize for their actions. The shopkeeper calmed down and

847
00:44:55,820 --> 00:44:59,379
S2: we parted and remained good friends until the day he

848
00:44:59,380 --> 00:45:02,710
S2: died of natural causes. In my office I still have

849
00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:05,440
S2: an olive wood statue he later gave me as a

850
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,650
S2: token of friendship. So what lessons can we take away

851
00:45:08,650 --> 00:45:12,130
S2: from these three sets of related proverbs? I think the

852
00:45:12,130 --> 00:45:15,040
S2: key lesson is to work hard to control our emotions

853
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,550
S2: and our tongue. It's so easy to become angry when

854
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:21,820
S2: we feel as if we've been wronged or disrespected or

855
00:45:21,820 --> 00:45:24,839
S2: cheated or offended in a myriad of ways, and in

856
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,939
S2: the heat of anger, the tongue is often the weapon

857
00:45:26,969 --> 00:45:30,060
S2: of choice to lash back at those who've hurt us.

858
00:45:30,060 --> 00:45:34,020
S2: Allowing emotions to run unchecked is a recipe for disaster.

859
00:45:34,050 --> 00:45:37,319
S2: Avoid those who are prone to such outbursts of anger,

860
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,320
S2: and work to control how you respond. When you feel

861
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,370
S2: wronged or offended, remember, a gentle answer turns away wrath,

862
00:45:44,370 --> 00:45:47,750
S2: but a harsh word stirs up anger. It's no accident

863
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:51,830
S2: that Solomon's wise words are repeated throughout the Bible. Among

864
00:45:51,830 --> 00:45:54,700
S2: the acts of the sinful nature in Galatians 519 to

865
00:45:54,700 --> 00:45:59,390
S2: 20 are hatred, discord, and fits of rage, and among

866
00:45:59,390 --> 00:46:02,000
S2: the fruit of the spirit in verses 22 to 23

867
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:08,060
S2: are love, joy, peace, and patience, along with kindness, gentleness,

868
00:46:08,060 --> 00:46:12,600
S2: and self-control. Remember the best way to respond wisely is

869
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,029
S2: to respond through the fruit of the spirit as we

870
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:17,760
S2: allow God to produce them in our lives.

871
00:46:17,969 --> 00:46:20,850
S1: Charlie Dyer there with his devotional The One Kind of

872
00:46:20,850 --> 00:46:23,489
S1: Heat to Avoid. From time to time, people will email

873
00:46:23,489 --> 00:46:25,200
S1: us and say, hey, is there any chance I could

874
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,230
S1: get a transcript of that? The answer, sadly, is no.

875
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:30,989
S1: We have a really small staff. They're spread pretty thin.

876
00:46:30,989 --> 00:46:33,660
S1: That's the bad news. The good news is you can

877
00:46:33,660 --> 00:46:35,890
S1: always hear it again or share it with a friend.

878
00:46:35,890 --> 00:46:38,200
S1: When you go to our website, The Land and the

879
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,400
S1: book org, that's the land and the book org. And

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S1: Bible Institute.