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S6: and more active. And the reason that that happens is

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S6: so that you don't have to use your mental energy

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S6: to perform tasks that you've told your brain to automate.

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S6: And that's that explains things like how you can drive

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S6: to work every day and don't really have to think

447
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S6: about the drive because you've automated the things that you

448
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S6: need to pay attention to, and your brain has figured

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S6: out where you need to slow down and where you

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S6: need to change lanes, and where you need to watch

451
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S6: out for a speed trap or whatever, where there's a

452
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S6: school crossing. And if you change jobs tomorrow and get

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S6: a new office. The first few times you drive to

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S6: your new job, you're going to have to be intensely

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S6: focused on that with your mental energy. Paying attention to

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S6: the drive. Memorizing the turns. Being careful. Right? But after

457
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S6: a few days, you can listen to the radio. You

458
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S6: can sing. You can, you know, dictate a text message

459
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S6: or whatever, and you don't even really think about the

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S6: drive anymore. That's neuroplasticity. Your brain automates things that you

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S6: repeatedly do for the purpose of taking them off your

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S6: mental plate, so you can do more important things with

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S6: your mental energy. And so that's a blessing and a curse,

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S6: because if you're unaware that you can drive that process

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S6: for your own good, then you can keep recreating it

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S6: in the same way that it's been. And that's why

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S6: people believe that they're stuck and unable to change. Because

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S6: unless you can get into that metacognitive space where you're

469
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S6: thinking about what you're thinking and feeling, then you never

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S6: start driving that process to your own benefit, and you

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S6: just let the default process happen over and over in

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S6: the same way.

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S7: Wow, wow. I love conversations like this.

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S1: Because you're giving us the science that reinforces what I

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S1: read in Scripture. So this idea of being able to

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S1: go to work and I'm on cruise control in terms

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S1: of my neuroplasticity because I've done it so far. That's

478
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S1: not a bad thing. But if I go on cruise

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S1: control for bad emotions or bad decisions I'm making or

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S1: bad thoughts, that's not a good thing. So now I

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S1: flip from from the anatomy book to the Word of God.

482
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S1: Isn't it interesting, Doctor Warren, how many verses in scripture

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S1: talk about your mind? The renewing of your mind, the

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S1: transforming of your mind? You know, one of my challenges

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S1: to our listeners always is don't just think biblically, but

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S1: think critically, in other words. And I'll use the term here,

487
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S1: you didn't use it, but I will use it. It's

488
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S1: sort of like the inner man. The inner man has

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S1: some choices here to make. Or I can stay in

490
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S1: the rut of that bad pathway, or I can redefine

491
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S1: and redo a new pathway with better choices that that

492
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S1: puts me from the patient to the doctor. Or I

493
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S1: can go from the passenger to the driver's seat here.

494
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S1: In other words, we've got choices. And so when God

495
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S1: gives us all these directions in his Word about taking

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S1: every thought captive, I loved your reference in Philippians. My

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S1: mom would quote that over and over again a million

498
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S1: times when we were kids growing up. What sort of

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S1: things are good, lovely, pure report we. And that would

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S1: be her way of saying that no negative thoughts here.

501
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S1: We're going to start thinking appropriately. So it's not by accident.

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S1: It's the Bible giving us a sneak peek of what you,

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S1: as a learned neurosurgeon, know about the biology and the

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S1: pathology of the brain. I think that's stunning.

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S6: There's a principle here that if you pay attention, you'll

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S6: see that it's true. I'm not going to call it

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S6: Warren's law, but it's but it's a principle. I've noticed

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S6: that the long arc of scientific history validates God's prescription

509
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S6: for human flourishing over time. Ultimately, science catches up with

510
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S6: what God said would be best for your life. And

511
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S6: I'll give you another idea about that after the break.

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S1: Oh, good. I'm so glad because I think this is

513
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S1: rich and I don't want to rush it. Doctor Lee

514
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S1: Warren is with us. Boy, I tell you what a

515
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S1: great God we have. So here's this wonderful award winning author,

516
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S1: practicing neurosurgeon who understands the brain. And yet it's preceded

517
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S1: by God saying, I'm going to talk to you about

518
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S1: your thoughts because there is a distinction between mind and brain, right?

519
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S1: We can work on the brain by changing the way

520
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S1: we think, and there's a connection here, but you have

521
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S1: to be willing to do some self brain surgery. More

522
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S1: with doctor Lee Warren right after this. Christians are called

523
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S1: to go into the marketplace of ideas. Throughout history, men

524
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S1: and women of God have been thought leaders, innovators and

525
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S1: forces for good. We want this program to continue in

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S1: that bold tradition. Join me by becoming a partial partner.

527
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S1: Your monthly gift will make a difference as we help

528
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S1: Christians take a bold stand in the marketplace of ideas.

529
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S1: Call today eight 7758 or go online to in the

530
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S1: market with Janet Parshall. We are having an absolutely fascinating

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S1: conversation with Doctor Leigh Warren. Doctor Warren is award winning author,

532
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S1: a practicing neurosurgeon, an Iraq War veteran, and he also

533
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S1: has a fabulous podcast that's heard around the globe. He

534
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S1: writes on Substack. Uh, and he has written multiple books.

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S1: We are talking about his latest. It's called The Life

536
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S1: Changing Art of Self Brain Surgery. If you're just joining us,

537
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S1: you are so welcome. Pull up a chair, make yourself comfortable,

538
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S1: but you are going to want to hear the first

539
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S1: half of this conversation. Thank you Lord, for new technology.

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S1: Just go to wherever you find your favorite podcasts. Download

541
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S1: in the market with Janet partial. Put in today's date

542
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S1: and you'll get to hear my entire conversation with Doctor

543
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S1: Leigh Warren. Again, the book is called The Life Changing

544
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S1: Art of Self Brain Surgery, and we were just getting

545
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S1: to this extremely important point about the distinction between mind

546
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S1: and brain and how you were saying, science catches up

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S1: with Scripture. Please continue.

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S6: Yeah. So I just it's amazing. I've been studying this

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S6: for going on 20 years now. And just last week

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S6: I saw Romans 12 one and two in a new light.

551
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S6: Romans 12 two is the famous renew your mind verse, right.

552
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S6: Don't be conformed to the world, to the pattern of

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S6: this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your minds, right?

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S6: Everybody uses that verse in the context of neuroplasticity and

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S6: all that. But but mind. So so neuroplasticity is not

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S6: a mind process, Janet. It's a brain process. God doesn't say,

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S6: get a brain transplant. He says, renew your mind. Change

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S6: what you think about Romans 12 one though if you

559
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S6: go to the verse before it says, present your bodies

560
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S6: as a holy and acceptable sacrifice. This is your reasonable,

561
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S6: essential act of worship. The voice says so. So body

562
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S6: includes brain. Okay. So Romans 12 one is about your body.

563
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S6: And he says, you're you're using your body in the

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S6: way it's designed and taken care of. It is a

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S6: God honoring thing. So take care of your brain. But

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S6: verse two is renew your mind if you want to

567
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S6: not conform to the world. The world says, pay attention

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S6: to your brain. Pay attention to your feelings. Follow your heart.

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S6: Do the things that make you feel good. Chase after

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S6: what you want, right? That's conforming to the world. Romans

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S6: 12 two says, transform by renewing your mind. And now

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S6: that we know about neuroplasticity, that's been an inside joke

573
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S6: right there for us to find the idea. Change what

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S6: you think about. You'll be able to make your brain

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S6: work better. And that's a form of worship to your God.

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S1: Wow. Goosebumps. I mean, it just I love the intersection here,

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S1: and you do such a wonderful job in your writing

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S1: and in your podcast to talk about that intersection all

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S1: the time. Let me, if I can, by the way,

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S1: there's I have to tell my friends, there's a ton

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S1: in this book that even with the gift of one

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S1: hour of Doctor Warren's time, I can't possibly get to

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S1: the entire content. But if I've got you seriously considering

584
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S1: shifting your position from patient to surgeon to doctor here

585
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S1: so that you can perform your own self brain surgery,

586
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S1: I will have done my job, but just trust me

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S1: when I tell you that there's so much here. I'm.

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S1: My challenge is I'd love to dig into every response

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S1: that Doctor Warren's giving us. But I won't give you

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S1: enough of a flyover for you to understand what's in

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S1: the book. So we've looked at pretty much, um, the

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S1: at least the primary thesis for part one and part two.

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S1: But I want to go to part three where you

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S1: talk about guiding principles. You call them the Ten Commandments

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S1: of self brain surgery. Uh, we won't be able to

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S1: go through all ten, but you, you, you and I

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S1: love the way you compared them to the Ten Commandments

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S1: that Moses got and the way that they're drawn. Um,

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S1: and the relationship between the different principles that are there.

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S1: So give me some about because these are choices. These

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S1: are principles we have to make if we're going to

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S1: start this process of renewing our mind and in the

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S1: process changing our brain.

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S6: Right. So, so these are ten principles that I derived

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S6: from my attempt to harmonize neuroscience and faith as I

606
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S6: was recovering from losing my son and all that, and

607
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S6: help help other people understand how science and faith work

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S6: together to help us flourish. Because Jesus said, I came

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S6: here that you might have an abundant life. So the

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S6: first commandment is a nod to Romans 12 one and

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S6: a nod to, uh, love your neighbor as yourself. God says.

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S6: Take care of your body and don't harm yourself. Love yourself.

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S6: So the first thing you do in medical school is

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S6: you take an oath that you won't commit malpractice. First,

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S6: no harm. That's our guiding principle as physicians. So if

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S6: you're going to be a self brain surgeon, the first

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S6: principle then is don't commit self malpractice. Relentlessly refuse to

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S6: participate in your own demise. So if you know something's

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S6: bad for your brain, if you know that a thing

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S6: that you're thinking about leads to bad outcomes for you,

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S6: change what you're doing. Like. Don't keep doing the same

622
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S6: things over and over and expecting a different outcome. And

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S6: don't do things that harm your life with your thinking.

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S6: Because the Bible is very clear that most of the

625
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S6: things that happen that are negative in our life start

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S6: with what we think about. That's what Ephesians chapter four

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S6: is about. So don't commit malpractice against yourself. That's number one.

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S6: Number two and three kind of go together. And that's

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S6: feelings are not facts. They're chemical events in your brain.

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S6: And you must believe that not every thought you have

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S6: is true. And we know from really good research now

632
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S6: that about 80% of the automatic things that pop into

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S6: your head that you feel or think in a given

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S6: day are false. They're just brain generated chemical signals that

635
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S6: your brain wraps a story around and makes you think

636
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S6: something is happening, or that something is going to happen.

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S6: And about 80% of the time, it's not true. And

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S6: so if you can understand that the vast majority of

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S6: the things that pop into your head that are so

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S6: trustworthy because they're in your own voice don't usually turn

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S6: out to be helpful to you when you follow them,

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S6: then it's not a good idea to do what we're

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S6: teaching our kids now. Follow your heart. You do. You

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S6: live your own truth. It's not a good idea because

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S6: most of the things you feel and think don't turn

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S6: out to be true. And so if you can just

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S6: look back on your own life, how many times have

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S6: you gotten a text message or read an email hastily

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S6: and replied angrily and then realized that you misread it

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S6: so you felt something in response to a trigger, and

651
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S6: you responded in a way that wasn't helpful to you

652
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S6: or damaged a relationship because what you felt wasn't true.

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S6: And so if we know that, and we want to

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S6: be committed to the idea of not committing self malpractice,

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S6: then we would want to implement a process of getting

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S6: into this mode of thinking about what we are thinking

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S6: and feeling before we react to it. And that's what

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S6: I call the thought biopsy. Like doing some work to

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S6: investigate and get curious about what we're thinking and feeling,

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S6: and get out of that reactive mode and into a

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S6: responsive mode. And when you do that, you start using

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S6: a better part of your brain, because reaction is always

663
00:31:35,810 --> 00:31:37,970
S6: using your amygdala, the little part of your brain that's

664
00:31:37,970 --> 00:31:41,370
S6: related to emotion and fight or flight and fear and

665
00:31:41,370 --> 00:31:45,090
S6: response is always frontal lobe, which is this giant, beautiful

666
00:31:45,090 --> 00:31:48,450
S6: collection of neurons that God gave you. That's rational and

667
00:31:48,450 --> 00:31:51,410
S6: reasonable and helps you make good decisions. And so wouldn't

668
00:31:51,410 --> 00:31:54,810
S6: you rather make your decisions that that shape your life

669
00:31:54,810 --> 00:31:57,130
S6: and your relationships with the best part of your brain

670
00:31:57,130 --> 00:31:59,090
S6: that God gave you to do that thinking with? And

671
00:31:59,090 --> 00:32:01,410
S6: that's your frontal lobe. So just get curious about what

672
00:32:01,410 --> 00:32:03,650
S6: you're thinking and feeling. Those are the first three commandments.

673
00:32:03,650 --> 00:32:05,450
S6: And the last one I think is probably the most.

674
00:32:05,490 --> 00:32:07,970
S1: Can I just interject before you go on? Because this

675
00:32:07,970 --> 00:32:09,530
S1: is so rich? Like I say, we could do an

676
00:32:09,530 --> 00:32:12,130
S1: hour just on the Ten Commandments here. Um, I was

677
00:32:12,130 --> 00:32:15,250
S1: thinking when you were talking preceding discussion, we were talking

678
00:32:15,250 --> 00:32:19,050
S1: about the relationship between mind and brain and how science

679
00:32:19,050 --> 00:32:21,330
S1: is affirming the truths that we find in God's Word.

680
00:32:21,530 --> 00:32:23,250
S1: So when we read the Scripture that tells us to

681
00:32:23,290 --> 00:32:28,010
S1: take every thought captive, there's an action element to that verse. Exactly.

682
00:32:28,170 --> 00:32:30,170
S1: It's a it's a choice. It's an action. I have

683
00:32:30,170 --> 00:32:33,850
S1: to take it captive. And then I was thinking about how, therefore,

684
00:32:33,850 --> 00:32:36,330
S1: there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

685
00:32:36,330 --> 00:32:39,250
S1: Where does the condemnation come from? That self voice in

686
00:32:39,250 --> 00:32:41,490
S1: our head. It's coming from the enemy. We're not hearing

687
00:32:41,490 --> 00:32:43,570
S1: what God has told us. So in other words, the

688
00:32:43,570 --> 00:32:47,170
S1: assault on the mind is there all the time. If

689
00:32:47,170 --> 00:32:49,610
S1: I'm to guard my mind, there's a lot of action

690
00:32:49,610 --> 00:32:51,930
S1: that has to take place here. But I'm not left

691
00:32:51,930 --> 00:32:54,210
S1: helpless as one of the benefits I've taken away from

692
00:32:54,210 --> 00:32:57,410
S1: your book. I have all kinds of God designed choices

693
00:32:57,410 --> 00:32:59,170
S1: that I can make so I can have a better life.

694
00:32:59,850 --> 00:33:03,130
S6: That's right. I mean, the social scientists and psychologists define

695
00:33:03,130 --> 00:33:05,969
S6: hope as the ability, the ability to believe that you

696
00:33:05,970 --> 00:33:09,010
S6: can get there from here and that that requires two elements.

697
00:33:09,050 --> 00:33:11,940
S6: It requires what they call agency and opportunity. So you

698
00:33:11,940 --> 00:33:14,620
S6: have to have a chance to do something about it,

699
00:33:14,620 --> 00:33:16,660
S6: and you have to have the ability to do something

700
00:33:16,660 --> 00:33:19,340
S6: about it. And it turns out we have that ability.

701
00:33:19,380 --> 00:33:21,580
S6: Every time we think one thought and not another. We

702
00:33:21,580 --> 00:33:24,420
S6: have the ability to change the outcome of our thought

703
00:33:24,420 --> 00:33:27,300
S6: processes and what our brain, and therefore our body, does

704
00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:29,900
S6: by choosing to be in charge of that process rather

705
00:33:29,900 --> 00:33:31,980
S6: than a victim of it. And so you're right. The

706
00:33:31,980 --> 00:33:34,380
S6: outside voice speaks loudly in our head. But now we

707
00:33:34,380 --> 00:33:36,140
S6: know most of the time it's not telling the truth.

708
00:33:36,540 --> 00:33:38,300
S6: So why would we want to spend our life reacting

709
00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:41,260
S6: to things that aren't true? And so that leads into, naturally,

710
00:33:41,260 --> 00:33:44,300
S6: the 10th commandment, which is I must believe that thoughts

711
00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:48,860
S6: become things, so thoughts become things. Everything that is real

712
00:33:48,860 --> 00:33:52,300
S6: in your life started with something you were thinking about.

713
00:33:52,340 --> 00:33:55,860
S6: Every marriage, every child that's born, every fortune that's made

714
00:33:55,860 --> 00:33:58,580
S6: or lost, every habit that's formed, every addiction that happens,

715
00:33:58,580 --> 00:34:02,660
S6: every affair or corruption that occurs, every act of infidelity

716
00:34:02,660 --> 00:34:05,380
S6: or lies that are told. All of them started with

717
00:34:05,380 --> 00:34:08,300
S6: things that were being pondered by someone before they became

718
00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:11,540
S6: real things. And that's why Ephesians chapter four is sort

719
00:34:11,540 --> 00:34:15,580
S6: of a self surgery manual. It talks about Paul, talks

720
00:34:15,580 --> 00:34:18,780
S6: about the what he calls the Gentile behavior, which is

721
00:34:18,780 --> 00:34:21,900
S6: people who are committing adultery and lying and drunkenness and

722
00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:23,580
S6: all this stuff that goes along with that, all the

723
00:34:23,580 --> 00:34:27,180
S6: behaviors that he lists. He ties them all together in

724
00:34:27,180 --> 00:34:31,060
S6: verse 17 and says, you don't be like the Gentiles.

725
00:34:31,060 --> 00:34:34,780
S6: They're lost in the futility of their thinking. So he says, hey,

726
00:34:34,820 --> 00:34:37,660
S6: all this bad behavior isn't really about the behavior. It's

727
00:34:37,660 --> 00:34:41,660
S6: about the thought processes that produced the behavior. It's futile.

728
00:34:41,860 --> 00:34:44,660
S6: And then he switches gears and says, but you need

729
00:34:44,660 --> 00:34:47,620
S6: to be renewed in the attitudes of your minds. So

730
00:34:47,660 --> 00:34:49,620
S6: if you want to have a life that doesn't have

731
00:34:49,620 --> 00:34:52,220
S6: all that stuff in it, start with what you're thinking

732
00:34:52,219 --> 00:34:54,700
S6: about all the time. And that's why Philippians four that

733
00:34:54,700 --> 00:34:57,180
S6: your mom made you memorize says that very clearly. If

734
00:34:57,180 --> 00:34:59,820
S6: you don't want to be anxious, be grateful and present

735
00:34:59,820 --> 00:35:02,299
S6: your requests to God, and the peace of God will

736
00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:05,500
S6: guard your heart, which is your mind with, and it

737
00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:08,149
S6: will protect you from anxiety. And then he says, the

738
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:10,270
S6: way to do that is to think about things that

739
00:35:10,270 --> 00:35:12,870
S6: are noble and lovely and good and pure and trustworthy

740
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:15,510
S6: and admirable and all that stuff. So again, we're hearing

741
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:19,190
S6: from Paul this idea that neuroscience is just now verifying

742
00:35:19,230 --> 00:35:22,390
S6: 2000 years later that when you choose a thought stream

743
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:25,069
S6: that is more beneficial, you create a brain that is

744
00:35:25,070 --> 00:35:27,549
S6: more robust. And it's been shown now in really good

745
00:35:27,550 --> 00:35:30,270
S6: imaging studies that people that do just a simple like

746
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:33,030
S6: ten minute a day practice of meditating and praying and

747
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:36,870
S6: thinking about things they're grateful for, grow their hippocampus, which

748
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:38,910
S6: is the part of your brain that's involved in emotional

749
00:35:38,910 --> 00:35:43,710
S6: resilience and happiness, basically by 22%. So your brain literally

750
00:35:43,710 --> 00:35:47,310
S6: gets bigger, structurally bigger when you spend a few minutes

751
00:35:47,310 --> 00:35:50,230
S6: every day guarding your heart and mind. So the Bible

752
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:51,830
S6: said it. If you do this, you're going to get

753
00:35:51,830 --> 00:35:54,910
S6: more able to be less anxious. And now we can

754
00:35:54,910 --> 00:35:56,110
S6: image that and prove it.

755
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:59,830
S1: Wow. And so there's Paul sitting in a prison writing

756
00:35:59,870 --> 00:36:02,709
S1: to the church at Philippi. I've learned in whatsoever state

757
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:04,950
S1: I'm in to be content. That was not an action

758
00:36:05,070 --> 00:36:07,230
S1: of his brain. That was an action of his mind.

759
00:36:07,230 --> 00:36:11,830
S1: And he had made that choice. Wow. Just absolutely fascinating science.

760
00:36:11,830 --> 00:36:14,750
S1: But more importantly, how humbling to realize how good and

761
00:36:14,750 --> 00:36:17,910
S1: great and big is our God that he designs this

762
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:20,670
S1: thing called the brain, and then tells us how our mind,

763
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:23,750
S1: through His Word, is to interact with the brain. Wow.

764
00:36:23,790 --> 00:36:27,390
S1: Absolutely fascinating. The book is called The Life Changing Art

765
00:36:27,390 --> 00:36:28,870
S1: and it is an art. You have to learn this.

766
00:36:28,910 --> 00:36:30,910
S1: It's not a science, it's an art. The life changing

767
00:36:30,910 --> 00:36:34,509
S1: art of self brain surgery. Doctor Lee Warren is the author.

768
00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:36,589
S1: I've got one more segment. Oh, and there's a ton

769
00:36:36,590 --> 00:36:38,310
S1: of stuff I want to ask, so stick around more

770
00:36:38,310 --> 00:37:00,390
S1: after this. We're visiting with doctor Lee Warren, who's an

771
00:37:00,390 --> 00:37:03,069
S1: award winning author and a practicing neurosurgeon who's written an

772
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,520
S1: absolutely fascinating book. It's called The Life Changing Art of

773
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,280
S1: Self Brain Surgery. There's just so much richness in the book,

774
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,000
S1: really and truly, to understand how the brain works, but

775
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,239
S1: to understand that God has given us free will and

776
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,319
S1: a choice to really and truly control our mind, which

777
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,240
S1: has a physiological impact on our brain, if that alone

778
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,799
S1: doesn't prove the existence of God, I don't know what does,

779
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,560
S1: which is absolutely fascinating if I can. Doctor Warren, and

780
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,480
S1: there's so many things. Again, I'd like to ask you

781
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:30,960
S1: in this last segment, but I want to go back

782
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,640
S1: to some of the ten commandments of self brain surgery.

783
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,040
S1: And one of them is, and I've heard you talk

784
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,200
S1: about this, and you write about it with eloquence in

785
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,680
S1: the book, is this intergenerational connection? And I'm not sure

786
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,560
S1: that a lot of people, at first blush, understand how

787
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,680
S1: we think. I referenced this earlier about as a man thinketh,

788
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,400
S1: though he is. How does that have a generational impact?

789
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,960
S1: Because one of the Ten Commandments is I must not

790
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,919
S1: perpetuate or start harmful generational thought or behavioral issues in

791
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,760
S1: my life or family. There's a weight to that, because

792
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,120
S1: it isn't just about me, it's about other people as well.

793
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,160
S1: Talk to me about that.

794
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,640
S6: That's right. It's another place where the Bible said something

795
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,640
S6: and science figured it out. Generations. Thousands of years later.

796
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,720
S6: So there's a couple places in the Bible where God

797
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,439
S6: says in the Old Testament where God says something that

798
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,480
S6: sounds like punishment, where he says, I will visit the

799
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,879
S6: sins of the father on the third and fourth generation.

800
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,440
S6: And it sounds like what he's saying is, if you

801
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,000
S6: mess up, I'm going to punish your grandkids and great grandkids.

802
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:30,160
S6: That sounds terrible. But interestingly, in the 21st century, 20th

803
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,480
S6: and 21st century, we discovered something called epigenetics. And epigenetics

804
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,000
S6: doesn't mean that you inherit a certain set of genes,

805
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,160
S6: and you're either you're going to have a beautiful life

806
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,160
S6: and you're going to be tall and athletic and wonderful,

807
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,440
S6: or you're going to be terrible and weak and overweight

808
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,319
S6: or whatever. That's not what epigenetics is. We used to

809
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,919
S6: think since Watson and Crick gave us DNA, we used

810
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,680
S6: to think that the genes that you inherited create the

811
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,120
S6: life that you have. And now we know that's just

812
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,160
S6: not true. We can't really blame our genetics on most

813
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,000
S6: of the things that happen in our lives. That's why

814
00:39:00,170 --> 00:39:03,850
S6: identical twins who have the same genes don't have the

815
00:39:03,850 --> 00:39:05,930
S6: same lives. In fact, research shows that they don't even

816
00:39:05,930 --> 00:39:07,970
S6: have the same life span. They don't live an average

817
00:39:07,969 --> 00:39:09,930
S6: of 5 or 6 years within each other most of

818
00:39:09,930 --> 00:39:12,370
S6: the time. It turns out to be what you do

819
00:39:12,370 --> 00:39:14,890
S6: in your life, the choices that you make that determines

820
00:39:14,890 --> 00:39:17,410
S6: how your life plays out. There's an old quote that says,

821
00:39:17,410 --> 00:39:19,730
S6: we're born looking like our parents, but we die looking

822
00:39:19,730 --> 00:39:23,690
S6: like our choices die looking like our decisions. That's powerful.

823
00:39:23,730 --> 00:39:26,250
S6: But what epigenetics is we've learned in the 21st century,

824
00:39:26,290 --> 00:39:29,330
S6: there's this fascinating research where they took these mice and

825
00:39:29,330 --> 00:39:32,650
S6: they they let them smell something that they were attracted to.

826
00:39:32,690 --> 00:39:35,890
S6: Cherry blossoms was the research that they did. Apparently mice

827
00:39:35,930 --> 00:39:38,570
S6: like cherry blossoms. So they let them smell the cherry blossoms.

828
00:39:38,570 --> 00:39:41,129
S6: And when they first reacted to the cherry blossoms smell,

829
00:39:41,130 --> 00:39:44,370
S6: they would shock these mice, punish them. And pretty soon

830
00:39:44,370 --> 00:39:47,290
S6: the mice learned to be afraid when they smelled the

831
00:39:47,290 --> 00:39:50,130
S6: cherry blossoms. And so then they did all these tests

832
00:39:50,130 --> 00:39:51,930
S6: on the mice, and they realized that when they smelled

833
00:39:51,930 --> 00:39:54,810
S6: cherry blossoms, their bodies would begin to release cortisol as

834
00:39:54,810 --> 00:39:57,930
S6: if they were experiencing pain even when they weren't. And

835
00:39:57,930 --> 00:40:00,969
S6: then they studied the offspring of those mice, and they

836
00:40:00,969 --> 00:40:04,570
S6: found that down to the fourth generation, they had genetic

837
00:40:04,570 --> 00:40:09,489
S6: markers where they were developing an abnormal baseline cortisol response

838
00:40:09,489 --> 00:40:12,129
S6: to the smell of cherry blossoms, even though they had

839
00:40:12,130 --> 00:40:14,890
S6: not been exposed to them. So what that meant was

840
00:40:14,890 --> 00:40:17,690
S6: you can be born afraid of things that happen to

841
00:40:17,690 --> 00:40:20,970
S6: your great grandparents. You can have an abnormal stress response

842
00:40:21,170 --> 00:40:23,969
S6: even though you've never been through that adverse thing. And

843
00:40:23,969 --> 00:40:27,129
S6: then it was verified in humans, in Holocaust survivors, down

844
00:40:27,130 --> 00:40:31,290
S6: to four generations and in PTSD, um, patients from the

845
00:40:31,290 --> 00:40:34,410
S6: Vietnam War down to two generations or so that humans

846
00:40:34,410 --> 00:40:38,730
S6: can transmit abnormal stress responses to their children. And so

847
00:40:38,770 --> 00:40:42,370
S6: what we're seeing is God wasn't punishing us for the

848
00:40:42,370 --> 00:40:45,210
S6: things that we do. He was warning us that the

849
00:40:45,210 --> 00:40:47,370
S6: things that we do in our lives have an impact

850
00:40:47,370 --> 00:40:50,330
S6: on our generations. And here's the beautiful part. When he

851
00:40:50,330 --> 00:40:53,970
S6: says that the the blessings will flow to a thousand generations.

852
00:40:54,050 --> 00:40:56,690
S6: They've shown now in both mice and in humans that

853
00:40:56,690 --> 00:41:00,460
S6: those epigenetic changes that happen in response to stress can

854
00:41:00,460 --> 00:41:03,819
S6: be undone in one generation. You can teach those mice

855
00:41:03,860 --> 00:41:07,220
S6: by repeated exposure to the cherry blossoms without shocking them.

856
00:41:07,219 --> 00:41:08,739
S6: You can teach them that they don't need to be

857
00:41:08,739 --> 00:41:13,140
S6: afraid anymore. And then the epigenetic switches reverse and their

858
00:41:13,180 --> 00:41:16,460
S6: offspring are born with a normal baseline stress response. And

859
00:41:16,460 --> 00:41:18,819
S6: that's been shown in humans and Holocaust survivors, too. You

860
00:41:18,820 --> 00:41:21,899
S6: can undo those generational things that you were afraid of

861
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:25,940
S6: and have and were having physiological responses to in one generation.

862
00:41:26,060 --> 00:41:28,219
S6: So what that means the commandment that I gave you,

863
00:41:28,219 --> 00:41:32,379
S6: I will not perpetuate generational thought or behavioral issues. That's

864
00:41:32,380 --> 00:41:34,780
S6: just to say that like God said to the ocean

865
00:41:34,780 --> 00:41:37,100
S6: and job when he said, hey, this far you may come,

866
00:41:37,100 --> 00:41:40,219
S6: and no further, when you recognize that you have a

867
00:41:40,219 --> 00:41:43,460
S6: problem in your life that happened because of decisions and

868
00:41:43,460 --> 00:41:46,060
S6: choices that your parents made. Like, everybody in my family

869
00:41:46,060 --> 00:41:47,819
S6: is an alcoholic, so I have to be too. That's

870
00:41:47,820 --> 00:41:50,740
S6: not true anymore. Everybody in my family is abusive, verbally

871
00:41:50,739 --> 00:41:53,419
S6: or emotionally or whatever. That's not true. You don't have

872
00:41:53,420 --> 00:41:55,540
S6: to be. You don't have to be the way you

873
00:41:55,540 --> 00:41:58,339
S6: have been. And so once you recognize that there is

874
00:41:58,340 --> 00:42:01,899
S6: a generational issue in your family, you can decide that

875
00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:05,020
S6: you're going to think differently. You're going to make different choices.

876
00:42:05,020 --> 00:42:07,219
S6: You're going to have it stop with you. And then

877
00:42:07,219 --> 00:42:09,980
S6: if you're still having children, it's going to change the

878
00:42:09,980 --> 00:42:12,540
S6: way that their genes are expressed when they're born. You

879
00:42:12,540 --> 00:42:17,540
S6: have literal generational power to create a different genetic reality

880
00:42:17,580 --> 00:42:20,540
S6: for your offspring. And now we know, even if you've

881
00:42:20,540 --> 00:42:22,980
S6: already had your children, there are other ways that we

882
00:42:22,980 --> 00:42:26,980
S6: influence people's biology, by the way, that we are living

883
00:42:26,980 --> 00:42:30,020
S6: our lives around them. There's several different mechanisms. One is

884
00:42:30,020 --> 00:42:33,820
S6: called mirror neurons, where people around you begin to model

885
00:42:33,820 --> 00:42:37,020
S6: your facial expressions and your mood and emotions. This is

886
00:42:37,020 --> 00:42:39,339
S6: the Debbie Downer effect, right? Somebody walks in the room

887
00:42:39,340 --> 00:42:41,260
S6: in a bad mood and everybody's in a bad mood.

888
00:42:41,540 --> 00:42:44,100
S6: So there's a way that you influence other people's biology

889
00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:47,020
S6: and physiology by the choices that you're making about what

890
00:42:47,020 --> 00:42:48,620
S6: you're going to think about and how you're going to

891
00:42:48,660 --> 00:42:53,340
S6: express your emotional state. And so we can decide no more.

892
00:42:53,380 --> 00:42:56,270
S6: It's going to stop with me, or I'm going to

893
00:42:56,310 --> 00:42:58,670
S6: start a new thing that's going to be good for

894
00:42:58,670 --> 00:43:01,430
S6: my family. So then that that wraps in a bow.

895
00:43:01,710 --> 00:43:04,590
S6: What Paul says when he said, be very careful then

896
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:08,069
S6: how you live, not as unwise but as wise. The

897
00:43:08,070 --> 00:43:10,070
S6: reason you need to be very careful how you live

898
00:43:10,110 --> 00:43:13,230
S6: because it impacts your generations, it impacts the future. So

899
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:16,989
S6: thoughts become things and genetics change in response to how

900
00:43:16,989 --> 00:43:19,150
S6: we behave in our lives. And you don't have to

901
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:21,750
S6: live under those curses anymore, and you can give your

902
00:43:21,790 --> 00:43:25,109
S6: future generations a blessing if you're willing to change how

903
00:43:25,110 --> 00:43:25,750
S6: you think.

904
00:43:26,310 --> 00:43:31,750
S1: Amazing. Just awe inspiring. Wow, doctor Warren, so many things

905
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:33,509
S1: to ask you. But for the person who's listening and

906
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:35,430
S1: you're talking to people from Guam over there all the

907
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:38,029
S1: way to the Cayman Islands over there, and they're going, okay,

908
00:43:38,030 --> 00:43:39,910
S1: I get it. The lights just went on. I really

909
00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:42,910
S1: understand that. I have the opportunity to switch roles. I

910
00:43:42,910 --> 00:43:45,630
S1: can go from being patient to being doctor, and I

911
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:48,790
S1: see and hear and understand the distinction between mind and brain.

912
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:49,790
S1: Where do I start?

913
00:43:50,910 --> 00:43:54,629
S6: Start by taking your thoughts captive by being serious and

914
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:57,550
S6: curious about what you think about. Be recognizing that every

915
00:43:57,590 --> 00:44:00,150
S6: thought you have turns into something real in your life,

916
00:44:00,430 --> 00:44:03,310
S6: and that can either be a weapon to fight warfare

917
00:44:03,310 --> 00:44:06,390
S6: for your family's future and for your own life and abundance.

918
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:08,550
S6: Or it can be a weapon to turn against yourself

919
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:11,190
S6: and commit malpractice against yourself and those that you love.

920
00:44:11,390 --> 00:44:13,590
S6: So check it out. I'd love for you to connect

921
00:44:13,590 --> 00:44:15,870
S6: with us on the book, the website, the podcast, all

922
00:44:15,870 --> 00:44:18,029
S6: that stuff. But decide for yourself. Even if you never

923
00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:20,790
S6: hear my voice again. Change what you think about. You'll

924
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:22,430
S6: change your brain. You'll change your life.

925
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:23,190
S3: Well.

926
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S1: I'm telling you, this is an amazing book. I really

927
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:28,830
S1: recommend it. There isn't a one of us out there

928
00:44:28,830 --> 00:44:31,149
S1: who cannot do this kind of surgery. Not a one

929
00:44:31,150 --> 00:44:33,629
S1: of us, because we are east of Eden and we

930
00:44:33,630 --> 00:44:36,350
S1: struggle with our thoughts, and we know that the enemy

931
00:44:36,350 --> 00:44:38,750
S1: wants to paralyze us and doing it through your thought.

932
00:44:38,750 --> 00:44:40,430
S1: Life is a very effective way, by the way. So

933
00:44:40,430 --> 00:44:43,630
S1: get the book The Life Changing Art of Self Brain Surgery.

934
00:44:43,630 --> 00:44:46,830
S1: Thank you Doctor Warren for a memorable and a powerful conversation.

935
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S1: We'll see you next time, friends.