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S3: All of my attempts to, you know, prop myself up

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S2: The gospel changes everything.

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S4: Freedom in Christ. Man, it's like that backpack of cement

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S1: Now, from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl

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S5: I'm starting with the man in the mirror. I'm asking

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S1: Not all prophets apply what they're preaching. Michael missed the

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S1: Here's the cautionary tale in those lyrics from Michael Jackson.

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S7: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.

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S1: Kicking off a brand new week here, kicking it off.

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S1: And you know what? I got my dancing shoes on.

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S1: And I've got. It's called a building, a frame. See,

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S6: I'm talking about wedding receptions. You see some wild stuff

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S1: Oh, that brings me to one of our faves around here.

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S1: And that is Super Die. And she's a dancing machine.

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S4: I did. I did have a tough go. And actually,

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S4: If I could tear you down with words, sadly enough,

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S1: Mhm. What did it feel like when you tried to

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S4: I can't write if I can't go there to get

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S4: or the other biggie is, well, don't say anything. Don't

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S1: So Super Daddy has this cool little set of numbers

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S4: They're seeing that I can actually do it. Well, that

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S1: Coming up here, let's talk about those dancing shoes. After

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S1: And we love her. And I know you do as well.

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S1: Boom cru, hang on. More of this story coming up.

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S7: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to Carl and Cru.

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S9: So it's cool to hear the story behind the faces, right, Ali?

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S3: Always. And the voices. For most of you, we're voices.

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S1: Voices. O Ali, what's your take? We just jumped in

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S1: What do you feel when you hear super day? Pour

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S3: You know, super day is just such a loving and

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S1: So she got rocked. You got rocked by the Holy

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S4: All that. All that good stuff? Yes. The company I

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S4: there in downtown Chicago, 94th floor, the observatory floor. And

448
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,360
S4: just had gone through a life of wrong choices, wrong people,

449
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,760
S4: wrong relationships. Just wrong wrong, wrong. I am on the

450
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,679
S4: hamster wheel and I am going nowhere fast. Nowhere fast.

451
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,400
S4: And realizing that in the Holy Spirit just said, hey,

452
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,160
S4: are you going to stop and listen? Are you going

453
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,879
S4: to get this? And yep, it was an overnight shift.

454
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,520
S4: I had taken my Bible in to actually read between reports,

455
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,960
S4: believe it or not. And one evening, going through Romans

456
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,960
S4: and especially getting into Romans eight, just that nothing. Basically

457
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,880
S4: summing it up. 8 or 8, 39, 838 and 39.

458
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,030
S4: Just nothing. nothing, nothing can separate you from the love

459
00:24:31,030 --> 00:24:35,590
S4: of Christ. And he loved me as I was just

460
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:38,709
S4: a mess, a broken mess. He went to the cross

461
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:41,910
S4: already knowing that I was a sinner and a mess.

462
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:45,750
S4: And to understand love was huge for me. The word

463
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:50,030
S4: love was huge because Ali just mentioned it. Not knowing

464
00:24:50,190 --> 00:24:54,430
S4: and understanding that on a earthly basis and seeing that

465
00:24:54,430 --> 00:24:57,990
S4: love is always conditional. Love was always conditional and can

466
00:24:57,990 --> 00:25:01,870
S4: be taken from you, Christ, love can't. And he went

467
00:25:01,869 --> 00:25:06,670
S4: to the cross and it sealed with my mind and

468
00:25:06,670 --> 00:25:08,350
S4: my heart. That night I went down on my.

469
00:25:08,350 --> 00:25:09,230
S1: Knees like a baby.

470
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:13,790
S4: I wept down hard on my knees and wept and wept.

471
00:25:14,150 --> 00:25:18,109
S1: Okay, so let's turn this thing up here, man. Holy cow.

472
00:25:18,430 --> 00:25:20,430
S8: This is beautiful. Okay, so how.

473
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:20,790
S1: Does.

474
00:25:20,830 --> 00:25:22,350
S8: How when.

475
00:25:22,550 --> 00:25:25,869
S1: You when you when you went to your first, your

476
00:25:25,869 --> 00:25:28,740
S1: born again now. And you go to your first, uh,

477
00:25:29,060 --> 00:25:32,900
S1: any kind of a church service where songs are sung. Oh,

478
00:25:32,940 --> 00:25:35,820
S1: my goodness, you must have been freaking out going. I

479
00:25:35,820 --> 00:25:40,820
S1: was made for this. I was made to move for this.

480
00:25:41,140 --> 00:25:44,540
S4: It was such a conviction. Because you're right. I was like,

481
00:25:44,540 --> 00:25:47,900
S4: I was made to move. You can move. There's power,

482
00:25:47,900 --> 00:25:50,619
S4: there's music, there's dance. And my in my body and

483
00:25:50,619 --> 00:25:54,100
S4: my spirit wanted to go, but my background, I it

484
00:25:54,100 --> 00:25:57,420
S4: took me a long time to loosen up. It really did.

485
00:25:57,460 --> 00:26:00,540
S4: Because you're supposed to stand there. Sit there. Be quiet.

486
00:26:00,580 --> 00:26:02,140
S4: Da da da da da da. You know what I mean?

487
00:26:02,140 --> 00:26:04,580
S4: And the music? I had never heard that kind of music.

488
00:26:04,900 --> 00:26:09,060
S4: You know that praise and worship music. Like, what is this?

489
00:26:09,619 --> 00:26:12,220
S4: So it took a while to loosen up, but it

490
00:26:12,220 --> 00:26:14,780
S4: was like, oh, yeah, Lord. And then I get to

491
00:26:14,780 --> 00:26:17,459
S4: do this on the streets of gold forever. Yeah. Hello?

492
00:26:17,540 --> 00:26:18,340
S4: I'm signed up.

493
00:26:18,380 --> 00:26:21,780
S1: Yeah. God greases those hips on earth and for eternity.

494
00:26:21,820 --> 00:26:22,180
S1: I can't.

495
00:26:22,619 --> 00:26:23,100
S4: Wait.

496
00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:27,370
S1: Oh my goodness. Well, we love you. super day. Oh

497
00:26:27,770 --> 00:26:32,210
S1: my goodness. You are such a precious woman of God.

498
00:26:32,530 --> 00:26:35,690
S1: She's not perfected yet. We do have to report that.

499
00:26:36,050 --> 00:26:36,450
S4: No.

500
00:26:36,690 --> 00:26:39,890
S1: No one has been perfected yet. Except, I guess Allie's

501
00:26:39,930 --> 00:26:41,369
S1: nudging closest to it.

502
00:26:41,810 --> 00:26:42,330
S4: Yeah, she's.

503
00:26:42,330 --> 00:26:42,609
S2: Almost.

504
00:26:42,609 --> 00:26:42,929
S4: There.

505
00:26:43,330 --> 00:26:43,810
S2: A couple more.

506
00:26:43,810 --> 00:26:44,129
S4: Days.

507
00:26:45,450 --> 00:26:48,690
S1: She's halfway there. That should be all of our theme song.

508
00:26:48,690 --> 00:26:49,689
S1: We're halfway there.

509
00:26:50,050 --> 00:26:51,010
S3: That's generous.

510
00:26:51,050 --> 00:26:54,609
S1: Yeah, right. No, it's. It's awesome. Super day. And we

511
00:26:54,609 --> 00:26:56,850
S1: love you. And we're grateful for you, kiddo.

512
00:26:56,890 --> 00:26:59,770
S4: Thank you, thank you. And, um, I appreciate it, because

513
00:26:59,770 --> 00:27:02,130
S4: even just sharing my testimony, I didn't really ever think

514
00:27:02,130 --> 00:27:04,970
S4: I had one. And then as we go through Carl

515
00:27:04,970 --> 00:27:07,210
S4: and crew and we're hearing all these beautiful testimonies from

516
00:27:07,210 --> 00:27:08,010
S4: our boom crew.

517
00:27:08,410 --> 00:27:08,570
S1: And.

518
00:27:08,570 --> 00:27:10,930
S4: You as a team share. And I thought, do I

519
00:27:10,930 --> 00:27:14,530
S4: really I guess I do, I do God wants me

520
00:27:14,530 --> 00:27:17,369
S4: to use it. And that was a huge realization for

521
00:27:17,369 --> 00:27:18,050
S4: me as well.

522
00:27:18,170 --> 00:27:19,450
S1: That's got to be a hard one too.

523
00:27:19,490 --> 00:27:19,929
S4: That was a.

524
00:27:19,930 --> 00:27:22,050
S1: Really hard one. You want me to say this.

525
00:27:22,090 --> 00:27:25,920
S4: And talk about it again? Yeah. You know, but no,

526
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:26,960
S4: God's got me.

527
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,199
S1: God's got me. We love you. Coming up here in

528
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:35,480
S1: a moment. This works perfectly. Uh, the the need for

529
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,400
S1: somebody to focus on the grace of God and his

530
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,440
S1: love is is critical. And I want to illustrate this

531
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,600
S1: in a tough way, because we live in a dangerous

532
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,639
S1: world today that's trying to take our focus away from God,

533
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,200
S1: and we're going to tackle that coming up.

534
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,240
S7: She was trying to earn her way to God, but

535
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,639
S7: God showed her she didn't have to. Ali is in

536
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,080
S7: the crew. It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

537
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:05,320
S1: So focus is the focus of our week. Bada bing,

538
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,880
S1: bada boom. How about that? Ali, the focus of our

539
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,560
S1: week is focus. And I want to illustrate this in

540
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,440
S1: a crazy way. I want to admit something. Since we're

541
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,600
S1: all getting vulnerable here today, I'm going to come in

542
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,000
S1: behind you. Super. How about.

543
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:18,920
S4: That? Okay. Thank you.

544
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,080
S1: Um, but it's it's more contemporary, and it's not my

545
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,430
S1: spiritual transformation story. It's how God is changing me. And

546
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:27,350
S1: I went through a season where I would try to

547
00:28:27,390 --> 00:28:30,550
S1: glance down at my phone to see voice messages or

548
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:34,909
S1: not voice text messages, or even get news updates, because

549
00:28:34,910 --> 00:28:38,710
S1: I would have an app open. Uh, while I was driving.

550
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:44,390
S1: And boy, God convicted me of that because I had

551
00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:47,350
S1: a couple of situations where I'm like, whoa, I'm coming

552
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:49,350
S1: up on this car too quick. And I wasn't aware

553
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:53,390
S1: of that. And then I start realizing, Holy smokes, there's

554
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:56,070
S1: other people like this. So now I'm like driving super

555
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:59,310
S1: defensively all the time because I've had people come up.

556
00:28:59,310 --> 00:29:01,550
S1: Anyone else had this before? You have people coming up

557
00:29:01,550 --> 00:29:03,950
S1: behind you and you know good and well they are

558
00:29:03,950 --> 00:29:05,230
S1: not paying attention.

559
00:29:05,270 --> 00:29:07,790
S2: Oh yeah. If I notice that I'm I'm getting out

560
00:29:07,790 --> 00:29:11,310
S2: of that lane immediately because I, I'm not driving in

561
00:29:11,310 --> 00:29:12,350
S2: front of you guys.

562
00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:15,270
S1: I gotta tell you something. I don't have fear around it,

563
00:29:15,270 --> 00:29:18,630
S1: but I am on high alert. Even driving through intersections,

564
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:22,190
S1: I am looking to make sure someone didn't blow a

565
00:29:22,300 --> 00:29:25,100
S1: read because they're just not paying attention, and they're on

566
00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:27,780
S1: emotional cruise control while they're looking at a text or

567
00:29:27,780 --> 00:29:31,620
S1: their phone of some sort. It's it's a scary thing.

568
00:29:31,820 --> 00:29:35,180
S1: And that's a graphic way because there's a lot of

569
00:29:35,180 --> 00:29:38,020
S1: wrinkled metal out there because of it. Guys, let's just

570
00:29:38,020 --> 00:29:40,860
S1: face it. But that's a graphic way to illustrate what

571
00:29:40,860 --> 00:29:44,300
S1: we find in Scripture that when we lose our focus

572
00:29:44,300 --> 00:29:47,860
S1: on God, man, there's a lot of pile ups. Ali.

573
00:29:48,140 --> 00:29:51,460
S3: Yeah, I mean, because there's so many things that compete

574
00:29:51,460 --> 00:29:55,460
S3: for our attention. Yeah. I mean, the phone is a

575
00:29:55,460 --> 00:29:58,220
S3: great metaphor for that because, I mean, it's it is

576
00:29:58,220 --> 00:30:01,620
S3: a a picture of what? Of what's happening all day,

577
00:30:01,620 --> 00:30:04,060
S3: every day. I mean, you've got the phone that that

578
00:30:04,060 --> 00:30:08,020
S3: pings you and it lights up when you get a notification.

579
00:30:08,020 --> 00:30:10,900
S3: And there's all these apps that you can swipe through

580
00:30:10,900 --> 00:30:15,180
S3: and scroll up. And, you know, that's our life, is

581
00:30:15,180 --> 00:30:18,420
S3: that we it's this fight to focus on God when

582
00:30:18,420 --> 00:30:22,520
S3: everything around us is saying, look over here, pay attention

583
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,600
S3: here a little bit more there.

584
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,280
S1: Yeah, you got that so right. And so some of

585
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,400
S1: us have a weird sense of focus. And I just

586
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,520
S1: want to frame out a few things for you. There's

587
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,280
S1: a lot of passages of Scripture that speak of focus.

588
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,360
S1: One thing I've asked the Lord to gaze upon the

589
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,360
S1: beauty of the Lord. Psalm 27 four. I love that verse.

590
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,240
S1: Beautiful verse. And by the way, what a great verse

591
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,760
S1: when you head into worship just to gaze upon the

592
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:56,200
S1: beauty of God. But it's fascinating, I, I think Colossians

593
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,240
S1: three for sure. Seek the things above. Set your mind

594
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,280
S1: on things above. For you died, and your life is

595
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,560
S1: now hidden with Christ in God. That's good. And so

596
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,200
S1: we've got to have an above and beyond the present

597
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,440
S1: to be focusing on. And then Hebrews 12, fixing our

598
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:15,160
S1: eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith. Yes,

599
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,440
S1: that is really good, but I think there's a place

600
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,350
S1: that we need to go first. And this is the

601
00:31:20,350 --> 00:31:23,070
S1: discipline that God's had me in. And I've got a

602
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:25,510
S1: powerful little verse that I've never referred to here, at

603
00:31:25,550 --> 00:31:31,310
S1: least recently. First Timothy 416 says, keep close. Watch on yourself.

604
00:31:31,510 --> 00:31:34,830
S1: Just just listen to that. Keep close. Watch on yourself.

605
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:40,190
S1: Why would Paul pen those words, Ali?

606
00:31:41,710 --> 00:31:47,150
S3: Well, because it's easy to become deceived or distracted and

607
00:31:47,150 --> 00:31:49,550
S3: not focus. I mean.

608
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:50,150
S1: Boom.

609
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:50,830
S3: Right?

610
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:52,870
S1: I just hit you cold and you gave the two

611
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:59,430
S1: best words. Deceived or distracted? You nailed it, sister. That'll preach.

612
00:32:00,550 --> 00:32:03,670
S1: That's really what we're up against. And this is why

613
00:32:03,710 --> 00:32:06,510
S1: I think a lot of times we invite people to

614
00:32:06,790 --> 00:32:10,630
S1: turn your eyes upon Jesus, look full in his wonderful face.

615
00:32:11,030 --> 00:32:14,910
S1: But I submit to you that the best way to

616
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:20,380
S1: look at Christ and God is after we've taken an

617
00:32:20,380 --> 00:32:22,940
S1: honest look at ourselves and we find it over and

618
00:32:22,940 --> 00:32:26,380
S1: over again in Scripture. It's a tough one to see sometimes, though,

619
00:32:26,380 --> 00:32:27,220
S1: isn't it, Alan?

620
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:31,580
S3: I mean, it really is, because it's our human nature

621
00:32:31,580 --> 00:32:34,980
S3: to want to. We usually believe the best about ourselves

622
00:32:34,980 --> 00:32:37,220
S3: and our intentions and kind of the worst about other

623
00:32:37,220 --> 00:32:40,420
S3: people's intentions. So we give we don't give the benefit

624
00:32:40,460 --> 00:32:42,739
S3: of the doubt to other people, but we, you know,

625
00:32:42,780 --> 00:32:45,060
S3: you know what I mean? It's like we assume that

626
00:32:45,060 --> 00:32:47,420
S3: everybody else is out to get us, that their motives

627
00:32:47,420 --> 00:32:49,100
S3: are wrong. But when it comes to us, it's like, well,

628
00:32:49,140 --> 00:32:53,340
S3: they should know I meant well, right? Yes, we we

629
00:32:53,340 --> 00:32:54,820
S3: can deceive ourselves.

630
00:32:54,980 --> 00:32:59,820
S1: Yeah. Deception and distraction. We're gonna camp on that all

631
00:32:59,820 --> 00:33:02,660
S1: week long. See there, Ali, you nailed it. Because those

632
00:33:02,940 --> 00:33:06,580
S1: those are the two. If we can regain focus from

633
00:33:06,580 --> 00:33:12,700
S1: self deception or any distractions, well, then we can shut

634
00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:16,020
S1: her down here. We're done. Our work's done. We can

635
00:33:16,020 --> 00:33:18,650
S1: just be done a few minutes, we can just shut

636
00:33:18,650 --> 00:33:20,410
S1: her down and go home. But that's what we got

637
00:33:20,450 --> 00:33:22,090
S1: to go after here. And that's what we're going to

638
00:33:22,090 --> 00:33:24,610
S1: be tackling this whole week. So I want you to

639
00:33:24,650 --> 00:33:30,130
S1: consider this first Timothy 416. A little self-examination for the

640
00:33:30,130 --> 00:33:33,290
S1: purpose of sanctification goes a long way. And then what?

641
00:33:34,370 --> 00:33:37,090
S1: Get your eyes up on Jesus, the author and perfecter

642
00:33:37,090 --> 00:33:40,250
S1: of our faith, who for the joy set before him,

643
00:33:40,530 --> 00:33:43,930
S1: scoring the cross, and all that shame that went with it.

644
00:33:45,490 --> 00:33:48,610
S1: And he's at the right hand of the father. Fix

645
00:33:48,610 --> 00:33:51,610
S1: our eyes there, and then we can set our mind

646
00:33:51,650 --> 00:33:53,770
S1: on things above, because we died in our life is

647
00:33:53,770 --> 00:33:56,290
S1: now hidden with Christ in God. And so it's a

648
00:33:56,370 --> 00:34:01,050
S1: rising above and beyond the news, above, above and beyond

649
00:34:01,370 --> 00:34:05,250
S1: the relational conflict that won't be solved today. I mean,

650
00:34:05,290 --> 00:34:08,130
S1: it's just awesome. Isn't the gospel wonderful, ally?

651
00:34:08,290 --> 00:34:10,569
S3: Always? The gospel changes everything.

652
00:34:11,890 --> 00:34:15,050
S7: Get to know the team behind the scenes. Follow Carl

653
00:34:15,050 --> 00:34:17,280
S7: and crew on Facebook and Instagram.

654
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:23,640
S1: What if the answer for our focus was prayer and

655
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,560
S1: I wasn't thinking about that one a second here. What

656
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:26,480
S1: do you think the.

657
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,560
S3: Answer for our like our lack of focus.

658
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:35,000
S1: Or being distracted or deceived, could prayer have a whole

659
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:40,960
S1: new vitality if we begin to utilize it as all right? God,

660
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,680
S1: I could be deceived or distracted. So I'm going to

661
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:45,880
S1: talk with you.

662
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,880
S3: Okay, but what about the fact that every time I

663
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,360
S3: sit down to pray, I'm so distracted, I can't?

664
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:53,200
S4: That's a good one.

665
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,399
S3: I mean, that's that's real, right? You sit down and

666
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,439
S3: you're like, I need to order that. A gift for

667
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,359
S3: my mom. And I do need to pick up the

668
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,400
S3: suit from the cleaners, because we've got that wedding next month.

669
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,719
S3: You're just your brain. It's like I put down my phone,

670
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,360
S3: but my brain, I can't turn off.

671
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S1: What's that commercial? Because Ali just got it. She's getting

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S1: the moniker. She is Captain Obvious today. She's helping us

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S1: point out what is commercial.

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S2: I remember.

675
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S1: Captain Obvious.

676
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S2: Was a Geico commercial.

677
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S4: Or something.

678
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S1: Oh, yeah, Captain obvious. You get the captain.

679
00:35:28,030 --> 00:35:28,830
S3: Where I can.

680
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S1: Yeah. All right, Captain Obvious, we got to go to

681
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S1: a special guest, doctor Bill Thrasher. And you know what?

682
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S1: Let's go after it. When he gets in here, let's

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S1: go after it. Okay. Could it be that for deception

684
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S1: and distraction, prayer could be our greatest friend? Hang on.

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S3: I hope you're enjoying today's episode. Sorry to interrupt, but

686
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S3: I want to make sure you know that Carl and

687
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S3: crew airs live weekday mornings from 5 to 9 Central Time.

688
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:55,350
S3: Go to Carl and Crew org for ways to listen

689
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S3: in your area. Okay, back to the show.

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S7: Your shot of hope to help you through the day.

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S7: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

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S1: So ally said it. When we get into prayer, sometimes

693
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S1: we already are distracted. So if we're pursuing prayer to

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S1: eliminate distraction. We've got a problem right from the jump,

695
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S1: don't we, Ali?

696
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S3: Yes, because if you've ever had this happen, you have

697
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S3: really good intentions. I want to spend time with God.

698
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S3: I want to connect with God. And so maybe you

699
00:36:26,260 --> 00:36:27,980
S3: sit down in a chair. Maybe you have a cup

700
00:36:27,980 --> 00:36:31,180
S3: of coffee, maybe some soft music playing in the background.

701
00:36:31,219 --> 00:36:34,460
S3: Everything around you is calm, but your brain is firing

702
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S3: on all cylinders, and the thoughts of what you need

703
00:36:36,940 --> 00:36:39,700
S3: to do that afternoon, or the phone call that you

704
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S3: didn't make, or the email that you need to respond to,

705
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S3: and you find yourself not even able to communicate or

706
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S3: connect with God because your mind is so busy.

707
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S1: Yeah. So we're going to hit two arms here. Boom.

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S1: Crew one is prayer as a means to break through

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S1: distraction even as we pray and then prayers a means

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S1: to break us free from deception. But let's tackle that

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S1: first one. And we got the man right. Now, I

712
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S1: gotta tell you, doctor Bill Thrasher is one of the

713
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S1: greatest dudes going, and this topic of prayer is in

714
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S1: his wheelhouse. Why is prayer so distracted at times, Bill?

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S10: Well, I think sometimes we don't take seriously the incredible

716
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S10: spiritual battle the devil is. He smiles when we make plans.

717
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S10: He laughs when we get too busy, but he trembles

718
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S10: when we pray, especially when we pray together. So there

719
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S10: is an incredible spiritual battle against it. And so. But

720
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S10: recognize that because there is a battle, that's what makes

721
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S10: Jesus precious. That's what makes prayer just sort of not

722
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S10: sort of nice, but necessary. So you use that battle

723
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S10: for your advantage. You know, don't don't demean yourself. Don't

724
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S10: jump all over yourself because I'm distracted. Hey, I've been

725
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S10: gone to the thing. No, just bring it back up

726
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S10: to the Lord. That that beautiful practice of walking in

727
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S10: the light as we walk in the light. And we

728
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S10: can struggle in the light, and you tell the Lord

729
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S10: you're struggling. I'm struggling with this. And, Lord, would you

730
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,399
S10: take care of this detail if I have to write

731
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S10: it down so I can forget about it right now?

732
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S10: That is where we live. And so God wants to

733
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S10: meet us right in the midst of that distraction. He

734
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S10: wants to meet us right in the midst of that battle.

735
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S10: He wants to glorify his name through that.

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S3: Doctor Bill Thrasher, our guest right now, he's served on

737
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S3: the faculty of Moody Bible Institute since 1980. He's the

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S3: lead professor in the master's program in spiritual formation and discipleship.

739
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S3: He's written extensively, one of my favorites, A Journey to

740
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S3: Victorious praying, finding discipline and delight in your prayer life.

741
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S3: You know, you mentioned that this can be a launch point. Obviously, yes,

742
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S3: you can jot down that thing to try to get

743
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S3: it out of your mind, but how much of what

744
00:38:40,070 --> 00:38:43,030
S3: is distracting us can maybe be the starting point for

745
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S3: the prayer itself?

746
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S10: I think that's a very helpful. Just to take any temptation,

747
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S10: turn it into conversation with God. With persistent temptation. One

748
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S10: of the most helpful principles God has ever given me

749
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S10: is that have a strategy for your persistent temptations. Okay?

750
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S10: When I'm tempted in this way, I'm going to use

751
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S10: it as a prompting to pray this strategic prayer. Let

752
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S10: it be a prayer that will damage Satan's kingdom as

753
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S10: God answers it. So in this persisted temptation, we all

754
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S10: have them turn it into what? Intercessions for others. So

755
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S10: you get tired of resisting something if you're not also

756
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S10: saying yes to something else. And so that's the wonderful

757
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S10: way that God, you know, in my weakness, many times

758
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S10: that's how he's prepared me for certain ministry opportunities. I

759
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S10: just feel like I'm in an incredible battle. And, Lord,

760
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S10: I use that battle to be praying for the people

761
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S10: that are about to be. I'm about to seek to

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S10: be ministering to and that God would meet them in

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S10: their battles. So I think there I feel compassion for

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S10: people that I wouldn't feel compassion for if I prayed

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S10: out of my pride. Lord, I've got it together now

766
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S10: with these other people in the shape you know, that

767
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S10: that doesn't work. And and so God allows us to

768
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S10: be weak. In fact, maybe he allows the individual that's

769
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S10: being used in significant ways to even be tempted more,

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S10: to battle more with distractions. And so Ali is exactly

771
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S10: right to use that, in a sense, as ammunition for

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S10: our prayer life.

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S1: Love it. Doctor Bill Thrasher, our guest. You know, I've

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S1: really been cogitating on something here as of late. And

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S1: I know you agree with this, that we can be deceived.

776
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S1: We are easily deceived. Jeremiah 17 nine. The heart is deceitful.

777
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S1: Who can understand it? And then we look at first

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S1: Timothy chapter four, verse 16. And I love this verse

779
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S1: because it captures exactly what often we need most. He says,

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S1: keep a close watch on yourself. Now, that doesn't mean

781
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S1: this hopeless introspection, but it means a introspection enough to

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S1: see if we're deceived. So coming up here in a moment,

783
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S1: Doctor Thrasher, I want you to tackle how prayer can

784
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S1: be a tool to regain proper focus by peeling back

785
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S1: layers of self-deceit that we may be walking in so

786
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S1: that we can bring those before God. More with Doctor

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S1: Thrasher straight ahead.

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S7: Standing on the rock each and every day. You're listening

789
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S7: to Carl and crew.

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S1: Well, it's been a fun exercise that I've been going

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S1: through for a few years now. Early in the morning,

792
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S1: I've been praying the prayer of David. The last couple

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S1: verses of Psalm 139. And guys, I've never been more

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S1: committed to a spiritual discipline than this one. Every morning

795
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S1: early I get up, usually with a cup of coffee.

796
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S1: I don't even have a Bible open, I just pray,

797
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S1: oh Lord, search me, know me, try me, see if

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S1: there would be any hurtful way in me and lead

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S1: me in the way everlasting. And it's probably because I,

800
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S1: more so than many, have an inability to see myself

801
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S1: as I really am, and I know it.

802
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S3: I mean, I think we're all in that same boat,

803
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S3: I don't. The more so than many, it's probably like many.

804
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S1: It's been liberating. It has Doctor Thrasher, the prayer of

805
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S1: introspection for the purpose of seeing deception speak to that.

806
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S1: It's a it's a scary place to be because I've

807
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S1: had God show me things that I don't quite like

808
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S1: all the time.

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S10: That's why I think when you're making progress spiritually, you

810
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S10: may emotionally think you're going backwards because God really points

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S10: out problems and says, hey, I didn't even realize that

812
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S10: was a problem.

813
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S11: I didn't realize that. So really, I think it's the

814
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S11: way God keeps the spiritual person humble.

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S10: I don't think he's proud of it, but I like

816
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S10: your your Psalm 139 and I would just make this observation,

817
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S10: which I think you're you're right on. There's a two

818
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S10: part to that. He doesn't say, just keep on searching

819
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S10: and keep on searching me. He says, lead me in

820
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S10: the everlasting way. So I think there does need to

821
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S10: be a closure that God is not playing a hide

822
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S10: and seek game. If I'm open and willing to hear,

823
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S10: he will make clear. I think the key to joy

824
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S10: is when you and God are in agreement. That's the

825
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S10: key to joy. And God wants to give you assurance

826
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S10: that you're in agreement. So, Lord, I lay this before

827
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S10: you as if you show me this matter. I'm laying

828
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S10: it before you. Is there anything I need to do

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S10: to make it right with you? I believe you to

830
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S10: do it. I've seen God onto that. And usually you

831
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S10: think of putting deadlines on God is blasphemous. You know,

832
00:43:04,620 --> 00:43:06,339
S10: God has to work in a certain way. But this

833
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S10: is one time I think God's honored that. Okay, Lord,

834
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S10: I'm laying this before you. Sometimes I've said, Lord, I'm

835
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S10: going to put my head on the pillow with this matter,

836
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S10: knowing I have a clear conscience. Anything between me and

837
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S10: that you show me I'm believing you. So God is

838
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S10: for me in that now deception. God's word says, exhort

839
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S10: one another day after day, lest you be deceived by

840
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S10: the deception of sin. Right? In other words, every day

841
00:43:29,980 --> 00:43:32,380
S10: I need to be exhorted, lest you be deceived by

842
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S10: the deception of sin. So you know, every day, no

843
00:43:36,060 --> 00:43:39,660
S10: matter how good yesterday was, I need to be exhorted

844
00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:43,020
S10: to be brought back to reality in regard to whatever.

845
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S10: So I think your prayer, we could all join you

846
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S10: in that, asking God to search us because you know

847
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S10: he loves me. He accepts me. He's not trying to say, oh,

848
00:43:51,340 --> 00:43:52,899
S10: I've got you now. I want to condemn. You know,

849
00:43:52,900 --> 00:43:56,660
S10: his conviction is not his condemnation. It's his his way

850
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S10: of saying, you know, I love you. I want you

851
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S10: to experience my joy. I want you to bear fruit. Uh,

852
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S10: I care about you. I desire your fellowship. I don't

853
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S10: want anything between you and me.

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S3: Doctor bill Thrasher, our guest right now. You know, as

855
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S3: we are still early in 2026, many, many people have

856
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S3: gone into this year, into this month saying, man, I

857
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S3: really want to pray more this year. But when it

858
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S3: comes to the practical aspects of it, it kind of

859
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,080
S3: becomes like like in the same vein that I probably

860
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,640
S3: should call my grandma more or my Aunt Gertrude more.

861
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,640
S3: She'd really like to hear from me and make it

862
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S3: her happy if I we kind of have that same

863
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,359
S3: kind of, I should do this, but it becomes the

864
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,719
S3: thing that we should do, but don't find our way

865
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S3: around to it because we don't necessarily enjoy it or

866
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,839
S3: feel like we're getting much out of it if we're

867
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,799
S3: just being honest. How do we reframe our even the

868
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S3: way we approach prayer?

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S10: Well, I think sometimes it may even be how we

870
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S10: even approach resolutions or how we even approach the Christian life.

871
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S10: I mean, one of Andrew Murray's old books, he said,

872
00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:02,069
S10: there's three stages in the Christian life. I think you

873
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S10: go through this repeatedly, but the first stage, I can

874
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S10: do it. Second stage, I can't do it. Don't let

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S10: anybody set me up to make a resolution. I don't

876
00:45:10,350 --> 00:45:12,790
S10: want to be failed. But the third stage, I can't

877
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S10: do it. But I must do it. And I'm going

878
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S10: to trust God to do it. You know God, God

879
00:45:17,870 --> 00:45:20,870
S10: uses prayer is the upright is a delight to the Lord. Lord,

880
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:23,310
S10: I'm believing you. Delight your heart. So you know me.

881
00:45:23,310 --> 00:45:25,109
S10: You know my name. You know my address. You know

882
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S10: my circumstances. I'm believing you. Would you pour the grace

883
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S10: of prayer upon me? You know, uh, here are the

884
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S10: first of the year. This is something you're even taking

885
00:45:33,310 --> 00:45:36,110
S10: the principle of first fruits and applying it to my time.

886
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S10: First part of the day. First day of the week.

887
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S10: But the first part of the year, it was some

888
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S10: 40 years ago. I was sort of introduced to that

889
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S10: concept and and I didn't know what that meant. But

890
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S10: I remember getting before the Lord that first two days

891
00:45:46,989 --> 00:45:49,750
S10: of the year, and three things sort of surfaced as

892
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:51,629
S10: I looked over some past journals and I went into

893
00:45:51,630 --> 00:45:54,270
S10: that year trusting God, I said, Lord, I think I'm

894
00:45:54,310 --> 00:45:56,870
S10: going to just trust you for these three specific things

895
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:58,710
S10: for you to do in my life, really in in

896
00:45:58,750 --> 00:46:01,020
S10: light of the sort of the spirit of that. First

897
00:46:01,020 --> 00:46:03,460
S10: Timothy 416. What God, what do you want me to

898
00:46:03,460 --> 00:46:05,739
S10: trust you for for this year? God, would you give

899
00:46:05,739 --> 00:46:08,860
S10: me the grace to be addicted to the joy of prayer? Yeah,

900
00:46:08,900 --> 00:46:10,980
S10: I know the work of God. I mean, there's many,

901
00:46:10,980 --> 00:46:13,419
S10: many ways I think the devil gets us to despise

902
00:46:13,420 --> 00:46:15,739
S10: the activity of prayer. Part of it is when a

903
00:46:15,739 --> 00:46:17,859
S10: person's really not sharing their heart. I tell you, the

904
00:46:17,860 --> 00:46:21,060
S10: Christian life doesn't work. Except when there's what the total

905
00:46:21,060 --> 00:46:24,339
S10: absolute surrender to the Lord which is working deeper and

906
00:46:24,340 --> 00:46:26,780
S10: deeper in our life. It doesn't work apart from that.

907
00:46:26,820 --> 00:46:29,020
S1: Yeah. And so that leads me to something I've been

908
00:46:29,020 --> 00:46:32,660
S1: noodling on here, and I don't know how it happened.

909
00:46:32,700 --> 00:46:36,380
S1: I don't know if it's a reaction to some pretty

910
00:46:36,380 --> 00:46:39,660
S1: mainstream religious circles. A lot of people are listening here

911
00:46:39,660 --> 00:46:45,260
S1: that came from them, where we had these confessions or confessionals,

912
00:46:45,739 --> 00:46:49,180
S1: but I wonder if we have missed, like the broadside

913
00:46:49,180 --> 00:46:51,980
S1: of a barn. The beauty of coming to God in

914
00:46:51,980 --> 00:46:55,740
S1: confession is simply agreeing with God, agreeing with God about

915
00:46:55,739 --> 00:46:57,740
S1: something that he wants to do in our life, change

916
00:46:57,739 --> 00:47:00,330
S1: in our life, agreeing with God that he wants our

917
00:47:00,330 --> 00:47:05,290
S1: wayward kid home. It's. There's. I think we're missing something here.

918
00:47:05,330 --> 00:47:08,489
S1: Am I overstating it? Be honest with me, Bill. Are

919
00:47:08,489 --> 00:47:11,169
S1: some circles getting this still right? I feel like in

920
00:47:11,170 --> 00:47:15,410
S1: my circles, we don't talk about confession enough.

921
00:47:15,850 --> 00:47:18,250
S10: No, I would agree with that. And I think there

922
00:47:18,250 --> 00:47:21,089
S10: is that part in regard to body life where you

923
00:47:21,130 --> 00:47:23,650
S10: confess your sins to one another and pray for one another,

924
00:47:23,650 --> 00:47:26,290
S10: that you may be healed. I think there is certainly

925
00:47:26,290 --> 00:47:29,410
S10: a place for that. It presupposes that we need close

926
00:47:29,410 --> 00:47:34,050
S10: enough relationships that we can do that kind of thing. And, uh,

927
00:47:34,170 --> 00:47:37,250
S10: it may not be that everybody in the body of

928
00:47:37,250 --> 00:47:40,170
S10: Christ knows every secret in me, but somebody needs to

929
00:47:40,210 --> 00:47:43,770
S10: know it and always sense when a person bares their soul.

930
00:47:43,930 --> 00:47:46,770
S10: It's my responsibility to pray for them. But, you know,

931
00:47:46,810 --> 00:47:50,050
S10: even even when you confess and maybe a person doesn't

932
00:47:50,050 --> 00:47:53,090
S10: respond correctly, I'd say you're always the winner. God gives

933
00:47:53,090 --> 00:47:56,650
S10: grace to the humble. Anytime a person humbles himself before

934
00:47:56,650 --> 00:47:59,120
S10: God because your mind will tell you this boy, this

935
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,040
S10: person thinks a little bit less of me now. They

936
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,320
S10: were sort of impressed with me. Now they're not. No,

937
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,480
S10: a godly person. This person has the grace to admit

938
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,920
S10: their need, and that's usually the first step in any progress.

939
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,600
S10: The promises God gives to the needy in Scripture just

940
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,279
S10: so impressed me. He he sets the needy securely on

941
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,880
S10: high away from affliction, makes his family like a flock,

942
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,000
S10: and the upright see it and are glad, and all

943
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,120
S10: unrighteousness shuts its mouth. I love that verse.

944
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,839
S1: Yeah, you know what, Bill? I gotta tell you something, brother.

945
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:33,840
S1: You just nailed something. This is very systemic in evangelicalism.

946
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,680
S1: I think that the indication that we're way too earthbound

947
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,640
S1: is that we hesitate to confess lest someone think less

948
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,840
S1: of us. And you nailed it. A person who's walking

949
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,040
S1: rightly with God, they're going to. They're not going to

950
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,319
S1: think less of us. They're going to go, Hallelujah! I've

951
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,279
S1: got a running partner, and we're the winners, whether they

952
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,440
S1: think less of us or not because we're honest with God,

953
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,549
S1: I love it. Okay, we got to get folks directed

954
00:48:58,550 --> 00:48:59,989
S1: toward this young man.

955
00:49:00,030 --> 00:49:03,270
S3: Doctor Bill Thrasher, our guest, if you want more. He's

956
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:06,270
S3: got some great resources on his website. He has his

957
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:09,350
S3: weekly video that he does. Those are fun links to

958
00:49:09,390 --> 00:49:16,710
S3: all of his books. Just text prey to 800 555 7898. Pray,

959
00:49:16,830 --> 00:49:21,150
S3: pray to 805 55, 7898.

960
00:49:21,469 --> 00:49:26,230
S7: She's a choreographer extraordinaire and everything is Greek to her.

961
00:49:26,510 --> 00:49:30,310
S7: Super dye is in the crew. It's Carl and crew

962
00:49:30,310 --> 00:49:31,670
S7: on Moody Radio.

963
00:49:31,710 --> 00:49:34,190
S1: It's one of the most revelatory things when you realize,

964
00:49:34,190 --> 00:49:37,589
S1: hold it. I don't see myself rightly. God does. I

965
00:49:37,590 --> 00:49:40,950
S1: can invite him in. He doesn't beat me up. He

966
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:44,190
S1: reveals things to me that need to change that cause grief,

967
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:47,709
S1: cause hurt. And he will lead me in the way everlasting. Boom.

968
00:49:49,310 --> 00:49:50,150
S2: We like that.

969
00:49:50,190 --> 00:49:52,790
S1: Come on man. If that doesn't fire you up.

970
00:49:53,110 --> 00:49:55,339
S12: You got wet Would.

971
00:49:55,660 --> 00:49:56,739
S1: We haven't done that in a while.

972
00:49:56,780 --> 00:49:57,580
S4: No we haven't.

973
00:49:57,739 --> 00:49:59,140
S1: You got wet wood.

974
00:49:59,380 --> 00:49:59,980
S4: That's right.

975
00:50:00,100 --> 00:50:03,419
S1: Come on. Build a fire. Get some kerosene out if

976
00:50:03,420 --> 00:50:07,100
S1: you have to. For crying out loud. Speaking of building

977
00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:10,740
S1: a fire, are you not signed up for Saturday morning?

978
00:50:10,739 --> 00:50:13,580
S1: I'm so thrilled, Doctor drew. Dickens is going to be

979
00:50:13,580 --> 00:50:15,900
S1: with me. We're going to show you how to break

980
00:50:15,900 --> 00:50:20,380
S1: free from the curse of self-help and tap into God's power.

981
00:50:20,460 --> 00:50:23,300
S3: So we want you to be there January 17th. Yes,

982
00:50:23,300 --> 00:50:25,980
S3: that's this Saturday, a Saturday morning for just a couple

983
00:50:26,020 --> 00:50:28,939
S3: of hours, and you can take part. It's the seven

984
00:50:28,940 --> 00:50:32,060
S3: hour power pack, the seven resolutions, the book that Carl

985
00:50:32,100 --> 00:50:35,180
S3: has written a couple of years ago with principles to

986
00:50:35,219 --> 00:50:38,380
S3: not rely on self-help, but really lean into God's power

987
00:50:38,380 --> 00:50:40,259
S3: for the changes in your life that you are so

988
00:50:40,260 --> 00:50:45,980
S3: desperate to see. Just text power to 800 555 7898.

989
00:50:46,020 --> 00:50:49,219
S3: Totally free and you can participate wherever you are in

990
00:50:49,219 --> 00:50:54,000
S3: the world. Text power to 98.

991
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:55,920
S1: Yeah, this will be fun. I wonder if we're going

992
00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,120
S1: to have. We will probably have folks from a few

993
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,200
S1: different continents.

994
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,360
S3: I would imagine. So we've got listeners all over the world.

995
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,320
S1: Yeah, I think there's already 800 registered.

996
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:08,760
S3: Oh that's exciting.

997
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,280
S1: Isn't that exciting? Yeah. Isn't that great?

998
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,160
S2: That's great. That's a really big deal. Yeah. 800 people

999
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:15,400
S2: taking next steps to Jesus.

1000
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,920
S1: Yeah, it's really cool. 800 people joining. About a half

1001
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,839
S1: dozen or a dozen from 180. Chicago. It started off

1002
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,880
S1: as a church event, and we expanded it out because

1003
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,040
S1: Moody Radio asked if we could do something like this.

1004
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,279
S1: And I'm like, well, guess what? We happen to have

1005
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,600
S1: something that's going to fit perfectly. So come and join

1006
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,720
S1: me for this webinar. And Doctor Drew Dickens, my goodness,

1007
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,680
S1: he has got a oh, he's going to leverage AI

1008
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,920
S1: in a way that gives glory to God and freedom

1009
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:47,719
S1: to you with these personalized discipleship tools that are going

1010
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,000
S1: to blow your mind. I've already gotten a sneak peek

1011
00:51:50,160 --> 00:52:00,190
S1: text power to 800 555. 78. 98. Get your seat. 805. Five. Five. 78. 98. Okay.

1012
00:52:00,230 --> 00:52:01,830
S1: What do we got going on here, Ali?

1013
00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:04,830
S3: In life, you're asking about money.

1014
00:52:07,230 --> 00:52:09,190
S1: Okay, that's the best response.

1015
00:52:09,510 --> 00:52:10,830
S4: So great.

1016
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:11,310
S12: Okay.

1017
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:12,630
S1: Okay.

1018
00:52:12,989 --> 00:52:14,430
S3: You caught me off guard there.

1019
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:16,910
S1: That could be. It could be the best thing I've

1020
00:52:16,910 --> 00:52:20,910
S1: heard in a long time. Okay, that's one of the

1021
00:52:20,910 --> 00:52:22,270
S1: best things I've ever heard in my life.

1022
00:52:22,310 --> 00:52:23,710
S3: In life or in radio?

1023
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:25,390
S12: Oh, that was funny.

1024
00:52:25,870 --> 00:52:28,069
S1: Oh, that one I got. I don't have to do

1025
00:52:28,070 --> 00:52:31,270
S1: any more work today. No. No planks for Carl. I

1026
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:34,230
S1: just blasted my abs right there. Okay, coming up here

1027
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:37,589
S1: in a moment, we're going to. We're going to talk

1028
00:52:37,590 --> 00:52:40,150
S1: about Ali's life. All of it, from beginning to end.

1029
00:52:40,310 --> 00:52:44,190
S3: How about we talk about trends? Yeah. In the church,

1030
00:52:44,230 --> 00:52:46,110
S3: that might be a better time doing.

1031
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:49,550
S1: How are we doing, anyway? Yeah, let's figure that one out.

1032
00:52:50,110 --> 00:52:54,180
S7: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to Carl

1033
00:52:54,180 --> 00:52:54,700
S7: and crew.

1034
00:52:54,980 --> 00:52:57,100
S1: You know, we look around at what's going on in

1035
00:52:57,100 --> 00:53:01,140
S1: the spiritual landscape, and I've got some new numbers. Uh,

1036
00:53:01,140 --> 00:53:06,259
S1: Pew Research came out with some new numbers. 24% of

1037
00:53:06,260 --> 00:53:11,859
S1: Americans claim to be, uh, fit into that, uh, evangelical

1038
00:53:11,900 --> 00:53:16,860
S1: Bible church attending, not regularly, but on occasion to all

1039
00:53:16,860 --> 00:53:20,380
S1: in somewhere on that continuum. 24%. Now, that seems like

1040
00:53:20,900 --> 00:53:25,620
S1: a big chunk, right? I mean, 24% that that could,

1041
00:53:25,660 --> 00:53:29,380
S1: at face value, look pretty good. Sure, sure. I mean,

1042
00:53:29,420 --> 00:53:33,339
S1: in the Great Awakenings, we would have 15% of our

1043
00:53:33,340 --> 00:53:36,860
S1: nation that was absolutely aflame for Christ. And that aflame

1044
00:53:36,900 --> 00:53:39,540
S1: thing is, what kind of is going on here that

1045
00:53:39,540 --> 00:53:43,900
S1: I want to talk about? Because we've got a new study.

1046
00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:46,980
S1: In fact, we had given you guys a link here earlier.

1047
00:53:47,020 --> 00:53:50,290
S1: Let me give you some, uh, top line numbers. This

1048
00:53:50,290 --> 00:53:55,850
S1: report came out December 10th of 25. So goodness sakes,

1049
00:53:56,250 --> 00:53:59,049
S1: a month ago. Isn't that crazy? A little over a

1050
00:53:59,050 --> 00:54:06,210
S1: month ago. Here's some top line numbers from 2000. 77%

1051
00:54:06,370 --> 00:54:11,210
S1: of adults in America self-identified as Christian. Now it's only

1052
00:54:11,210 --> 00:54:15,170
S1: dropped to 63 to 65%, a drop of 12 to

1053
00:54:15,170 --> 00:54:20,930
S1: 14 percentage points 25 years later in 2025. And there's

1054
00:54:20,930 --> 00:54:23,690
S1: so many points that you can grab here, so many

1055
00:54:23,690 --> 00:54:26,370
S1: data points. But let me get one for you. That's

1056
00:54:26,770 --> 00:54:29,890
S1: pretty sobering here. This is this is good. This is

1057
00:54:29,890 --> 00:54:33,290
S1: good information for us to know. George Barna and his

1058
00:54:33,290 --> 00:54:38,690
S1: team concluded with this massive study that only 4% of

1059
00:54:38,730 --> 00:54:44,130
S1: US adults hold a biblical worldview that consistently shapes beliefs

1060
00:54:44,130 --> 00:54:47,930
S1: and decisions. 4%. So that's quite a gap.

1061
00:54:48,090 --> 00:54:51,120
S3: That's a big drop off, even from the 24%.

1062
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:57,600
S1: Isn't that huge? And then you factor in, boy, you're like, oh, great.

1063
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,680
S1: Then you factor in. So let me take it. Another

1064
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:06,520
S1: layer below this, the essentially a prophecy that Jesus was

1065
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,680
S1: speaking that was going to be coming on the day

1066
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,640
S1: of Judgment that many will say on that day, Lord, Lord.

1067
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,399
S1: And these are spiritually active people. They're preaching in his name,

1068
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,200
S1: baptizing in his name, casting out demons in his name.

1069
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,240
S1: And he's going to say, I never knew you. So

1070
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:26,520
S1: even for the spiritually active, which I think that 4%

1071
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:30,360
S1: would capture, that there can be an illusion of salvation

1072
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,960
S1: for even those not knowing the Lord really personally. So

1073
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:39,200
S1: that could get you discouraged with capital D if we're

1074
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:40,160
S1: not careful here.

1075
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,520
S3: Maybe just a little bit. 4% is not very high.

1076
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,120
S1: No. And I mean, that's that's sobering. What do you

1077
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,029
S1: what do you think when you hear that? We talk

1078
00:55:49,070 --> 00:55:52,550
S1: a lot about this, Ali, that it's easier to gather

1079
00:55:52,550 --> 00:55:54,550
S1: a crowd than it is to make disciples.

1080
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:58,069
S3: I mean, on one hand, it's. I wouldn't say it's

1081
00:55:58,070 --> 00:56:00,589
S3: that surprising. I mean, depending on the context that you

1082
00:56:00,590 --> 00:56:03,630
S3: live in. And I'll use my own experience living in

1083
00:56:03,830 --> 00:56:09,030
S3: a big city like Chicago. I don't often meet outside

1084
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:13,510
S3: of just being in maybe like church groups that I'm in.

1085
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:16,630
S3: I don't meet a lot of people who even claim

1086
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:21,350
S3: to be Christians anymore. I don't. Yeah. So the fact

1087
00:56:21,350 --> 00:56:24,750
S3: that numbers are dropping of people, I think what you're

1088
00:56:24,750 --> 00:56:28,469
S3: really seeing is that people who, like we saw with Covid,

1089
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:31,229
S3: a lot of people stopped going to church and church

1090
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:36,230
S3: attendance dropped pretty dramatically afterwards. And what I think we

1091
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:38,870
S3: really saw as we talked about was that people who

1092
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:41,670
S3: was kind of like a a, you know, it's what

1093
00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:44,790
S3: we've always done. I think we're seeing people who were

1094
00:56:45,070 --> 00:56:49,530
S3: sort of a cultural thing. Maybe not even pretending anymore.

1095
00:56:49,570 --> 00:56:53,570
S1: Yeah, it Covid seemed to grant permission for people to

1096
00:56:54,330 --> 00:56:59,529
S1: do as they really are, which is they're nuns. They

1097
00:56:59,530 --> 00:57:04,330
S1: don't they not in un but non e they, they

1098
00:57:04,330 --> 00:57:07,850
S1: really don't affiliate at a heart level with anything significant.

1099
00:57:07,850 --> 00:57:10,450
S1: Certainly not disciples of Christ. What's your thought? Young thunder.

1100
00:57:10,489 --> 00:57:13,690
S2: I think the encouraging side of this that I think

1101
00:57:13,690 --> 00:57:17,610
S2: of is that Jesus says the harvest is plentiful. So

1102
00:57:17,610 --> 00:57:20,410
S2: even though the number may seem really small to us

1103
00:57:20,410 --> 00:57:23,450
S2: right now, the harvest is still plentiful. And I think

1104
00:57:23,450 --> 00:57:25,330
S2: that that's just an encouragement that we need to be

1105
00:57:25,330 --> 00:57:29,410
S2: giving the whole and true gospel. Uh, yes. It may

1106
00:57:29,450 --> 00:57:32,810
S2: be that some people that that the crowd that comes

1107
00:57:32,810 --> 00:57:36,010
S2: will be larger than the crowd that accepts Jesus. But

1108
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S2: it doesn't mean that the harvest is plentiful and that

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S2: people don't need it and want to hear it and

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S2: are waiting for it. And so we just gotta go

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S2: out there and give it as honestly as we can.

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S1: Both of these things coexist. There is many who will

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00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,560
S1: say on that day, Lord, Lord. And the harvest is plentiful.

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S1: So you're right. Get the message of the gospel right,

1115
00:57:54,280 --> 00:58:00,160
S1: which includes repentance. And let's cast this vision of gospel

1116
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,800
S1: living for people that can change everything. Well, we got some.

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S1: You've probably heard this. We've reported on it a bit,

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00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:10,840
S1: but there is a movement among among Gen Z that

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00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:17,840
S1: is undeniable, and particularly Gen Z men who are really

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S1: getting transformed by the power of God. Stats don't lie.

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S1: There's been a lot of indication that God is moving

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S1: among this youth movement, particularly with young men, and we

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S1: happen to have a man here that's got a heart

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S1: for this, and he's got a he's got a finger

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S1: on the pulse of what God's doing. Mark Jobe, president

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00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,840
S1: of MBI, going to join us here. Straight ahead. You

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00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,600
S1: want some hope? We got some hope for you.

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S7: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to Carl

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S7: and crew.

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S1: Well, I affectionately call him the gospel man. He's got

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00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:54,390
S1: a name. Doctor Mark Jobe, 10th president of Moody Bible Institute.

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00:58:54,430 --> 00:58:58,110
S1: Good man. Founding pastor of New Life Community Church in

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00:58:58,110 --> 00:59:03,310
S1: Chicago with many, many campuses. Mark, you're seeing something stirring,

1134
00:59:03,310 --> 00:59:04,830
S1: aren't you? In our culture, my man.

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S13: You know, these are, as it has been written, the

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00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:14,590
S13: best of times and the worst of times. You know,

1137
00:59:14,990 --> 00:59:18,310
S13: there is a lot of concerning news, as you have

1138
00:59:18,310 --> 00:59:23,190
S13: already been talking about the growth of the nones. 30%, uh,

1139
00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:30,270
S13: non religiously affiliated. Just the, um, shifting from a Judeo-Christian

1140
00:59:30,270 --> 00:59:34,110
S13: culture that we've all sort of expected in this country

1141
00:59:34,110 --> 00:59:39,350
S13: to just a slide in different directions, confusion about sexual identity,

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00:59:39,390 --> 00:59:43,380
S13: what's being taught in schools, uh, churches. I mean, they're

1143
00:59:43,380 --> 00:59:48,700
S13: talking about maybe I've heard the stat of 15,000 churches close.

1144
00:59:48,740 --> 00:59:51,100
S13: Maybe this next year. So there's a lot of bad

1145
00:59:51,100 --> 00:59:53,900
S13: news out there, but yet at the same time, to

1146
00:59:53,940 --> 00:59:59,020
S13: off balance that there is stirring. That should encourage us

1147
00:59:59,020 --> 01:00:03,580
S13: as believers to say, God, would you do it again? Yeah. And, um,

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S13: there has been a stirring for a few years happening,

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01:00:07,500 --> 01:00:11,460
S13: and now I, as a pastor, felt it, sensed it,

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01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:14,620
S13: saw it personally. But I wasn't sure if it was

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01:00:14,620 --> 01:00:18,020
S13: just our context or if it was broader than that. Uh,

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S13: but now the stats actually reveal it. You know, after

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01:00:22,740 --> 01:00:26,140
S13: 20 years of decline in church attendance, kind of a

1154
01:00:26,140 --> 01:00:29,500
S13: steady decline for the first time in 2025, there's been

1155
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:32,900
S13: a slight uptick. But what's interesting about that is what's

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01:00:32,900 --> 01:00:37,460
S13: driving it. It's primarily, uh, Gen Z, which is under

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01:00:37,460 --> 01:00:42,370
S13: 35 year olds, and even more more specifically, young men

1158
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S13: that are returning looking for spirituality. And so not just

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S13: trickling in places like the UK, they say 2018, there

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S13: was 4% Gen Z. Now there's 21%. That's phenomenal.

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S1: That's a big number Mark.

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01:00:59,210 --> 01:01:03,010
S13: Huge. That's like revival type numbers. I don't think we're

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S13: experiencing a revival, but I do think there's an awakening

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S13: that's stirring. And I would say the difference is, Carl,

1165
01:01:11,090 --> 01:01:15,170
S13: a revival is when the church that's slumbering, lukewarm gets

1166
01:01:15,170 --> 01:01:18,250
S13: the fire of God, repents, and then starts to reach

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S13: out and affect a cold world. This is different. This

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S13: is a stirring that's happening among people out there. And

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01:01:26,370 --> 01:01:29,210
S13: the church needs to wake up to say, hey, wave

1170
01:01:29,210 --> 01:01:31,370
S13: the flag and say, we are the answer as you're

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S13: looking to the heavens. The gospel of Jesus Christ is

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S13: the answer.

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S3: Doctor Mark, our guest right now, 10th president of the

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01:01:37,770 --> 01:01:41,040
S3: Moody Bible Institute, Tuite, also founding pastor of New Life

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S3: Community Church here in Chicago. Now, this Gen Z, particularly

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S3: Gen Z men, are these are primarily those who don't

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S3: really have much, if any, church background. Right? These are

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S3: not the ones who have grown up in church and

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S3: are coming back. These are many who've never set foot

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S3: in a church at all. Is that correct?

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S13: I think it's a little bit of both. Ali. I

1182
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:07,640
S13: think it's, um, those that have strayed. Maybe they had

1183
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:11,920
S13: some church background and college. They just threw it off.

1184
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S13: And just anecdotally, I'm not sure if we have a

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S13: lot of data, exactly what their background is. But just

1186
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:23,880
S13: as a pastor, uh, for example, we we've seen over

1187
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:28,040
S13: 1500 people, uh, in the last 36 months, come to

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S13: Christ and get baptized, most of them under 35 years old.

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S13: And the great majority that I'm talking to are either, uh,

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S13: Non-religious or. Um. Yeah. When I was a kid, I

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01:02:42,270 --> 01:02:44,910
S13: went to church, but I've been gone for a long time,

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01:02:44,910 --> 01:02:49,030
S13: so some of them have a religious background, but went astray.

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S13: Like I talked to a guy just yesterday, 22 years old, um,

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S13: you know, went to church, grew up in a church,

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S13: but he left in junior high and high school. Um,

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S13: now he's 22 and saying, um, I'm I'm coming. I

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01:03:04,790 --> 01:03:08,110
S13: need God, I'm coming back to God. I still I'm

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S13: trying to figure out how to leave the world behind,

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S13: but I know I need God. I'm having those conversations

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S13: all the time.

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S1: Yeah. It's beautiful. You know, Mark, I've been. I'm working

1202
01:03:16,830 --> 01:03:19,030
S1: on a project right now, and one of the one

1203
01:03:19,030 --> 01:03:23,190
S1: of the big deep dives I'm doing is helping. I'm

1204
01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:29,390
S1: understanding more of what happened with Decisionism. Decisionism happened about

1205
01:03:29,390 --> 01:03:34,070
S1: 200 years ago during the Great Awakening. And actually, Charles Spurgeon,

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01:03:34,070 --> 01:03:38,570
S1: Prince of Preachers in Metropolitan Tabernacle in London. He warned

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S1: against it and he said, boy, we're having this. Emotionalism,

1208
01:03:41,730 --> 01:03:45,290
S1: raising hands, people standing up saying, I believe altar calls.

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01:03:45,690 --> 01:03:48,130
S1: I'm not saying those are wrong, but sometimes we gave

1210
01:03:48,130 --> 01:03:51,730
S1: some bad information. We gave people an illusion of salvation,

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01:03:51,730 --> 01:03:54,410
S1: that they had an emotional experience, but there wasn't real

1212
01:03:54,410 --> 01:03:57,370
S1: regenerative change. Now what I'm seeing, and I want you

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01:03:57,370 --> 01:04:00,410
S1: to tell me what your vantage point is. I'm seeing

1214
01:04:00,410 --> 01:04:02,930
S1: that there is a clarity of the gospel, a gospel

1215
01:04:02,930 --> 01:04:07,370
S1: of repentance, metanoia. Turn around and turn it over. That

1216
01:04:07,370 --> 01:04:12,250
S1: is characteristic of these young men sticking with the gospel.

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S1: What's your sense on that mark?

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S13: Yeah, you know, it's a double edged sword because, you know,

1219
01:04:17,170 --> 01:04:20,810
S13: I've been around some circles where people just never called people.

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01:04:20,850 --> 01:04:22,730
S13: You know, it was like, let God work. And there

1221
01:04:22,730 --> 01:04:26,130
S13: was never a call to decision. And I believe the

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01:04:26,170 --> 01:04:29,970
S13: gospel is about a decision. But you're right. It can't

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S13: just be. I prayed this prayer and then suddenly, hey,

1224
01:04:33,290 --> 01:04:37,120
S13: I'm done. There has to be repentant. You know, it's

1225
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:42,960
S13: not about decision. It's about a genuine, repentant decision.

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S1: Yes.

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S13: And my experience is that most people it's a series

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S13: of decisions that people are making. In other words, they

1229
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:53,160
S13: don't always fully understand. They're saying, yeah, I need God,

1230
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:56,439
S13: but you have to take him into a discipleship so

1231
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:00,000
S13: that they can really count the cost. And so we

1232
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,400
S13: we try to everybody that comes makes a decision. We

1233
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,160
S13: try to get them into a Bible study where, you know,

1234
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,320
S13: the first three lessons are faith, repentance and baptism. We

1235
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,640
S13: want them to know what it means to repent what

1236
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,960
S13: it means. And you know what I what I see

1237
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,920
S13: in this generation is that they're not looking for easy.

1238
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,800
S13: They're looking for authentic and real. They're not looking for, well,

1239
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:23,520
S13: I just want to add something to my life. They

1240
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,800
S13: want it to be authentic, real. And in my experience,

1241
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,600
S13: the clearer, the harder the. This is a narrow way.

1242
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,790
S13: This is what you're doing. Usually the greater the the

1243
01:05:33,790 --> 01:05:39,190
S13: response and of saying, yes, I'm ready. So, you know,

1244
01:05:39,230 --> 01:05:44,790
S13: here's the thing. There's a spiritual stirring that's happening right now. And, um,

1245
01:05:44,830 --> 01:05:47,910
S13: there are more young people in our nation right now

1246
01:05:47,950 --> 01:05:51,190
S13: that are looking for spiritual things now that some of

1247
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:53,870
S13: them will look in the wrong places. There will be

1248
01:05:53,870 --> 01:05:57,229
S13: open to whatever, because they're looking to the heavens. And

1249
01:05:57,230 --> 01:06:00,670
S13: in a culture that hasn't pointed people clearly to Jesus,

1250
01:06:00,670 --> 01:06:03,270
S13: they're going to look at a lot of places. This

1251
01:06:03,270 --> 01:06:05,550
S13: is a wake up call to the church to say

1252
01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:09,550
S13: we need to be clear about the gospel, because people

1253
01:06:09,550 --> 01:06:12,110
S13: are looking. I think we could see the greatest harvest

1254
01:06:12,110 --> 01:06:15,110
S13: that this nation has seen, but we can't miss the moment.

1255
01:06:15,590 --> 01:06:19,910
S13: We have to engage the moment with very clear, strong

1256
01:06:19,950 --> 01:06:24,270
S13: call to Jesus. Fuel the fire of this awakening. Um.

1257
01:06:24,550 --> 01:06:27,790
S13: We're living not in a normal time. We're living in

1258
01:06:27,830 --> 01:06:32,470
S13: an unusual time. Especially churches that are reaching young people.

1259
01:06:32,470 --> 01:06:34,900
S13: If it's an older church, people feel like, hey, I

1260
01:06:34,900 --> 01:06:37,500
S13: don't see any young people, but if there's if there's

1261
01:06:37,540 --> 01:06:41,060
S13: a younger sense there, you're going to see a lot

1262
01:06:41,060 --> 01:06:44,420
S13: of people that are searching. And I believe the harvest

1263
01:06:44,420 --> 01:06:47,620
S13: is really ripe right now, and we can't afford to

1264
01:06:47,660 --> 01:06:50,300
S13: miss the moment, because I think there's a lot of

1265
01:06:50,300 --> 01:06:52,020
S13: people coming to Jesus right now.

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S3: Doctor Mark job, our guest. Right now I want to

1267
01:06:54,340 --> 01:06:58,020
S3: mention a podcast out new this year. First episode just

1268
01:06:58,060 --> 01:07:02,060
S3: released today, Quiet Revival podcast with doctor Mark Jobe. It

1269
01:07:02,100 --> 01:07:06,780
S3: explores this Gen Z men and the return to faith,

1270
01:07:06,820 --> 01:07:10,940
S3: the surprising moment movement of young men, rediscovering purpose, truth

1271
01:07:10,940 --> 01:07:15,540
S3: and spiritual strength in Christ. Pastor Mark Jobe, you've had

1272
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S3: these conversations with lots of different voices weighing in on this.

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S3: Give us a preview of this podcast.

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S13: Yeah, well, I thought that I'm interested in what God's

1275
01:07:24,940 --> 01:07:28,820
S13: doing across our nation, especially among young men. And it's

1276
01:07:28,820 --> 01:07:32,610
S13: interesting because if you would have asked me 15 years ago.

1277
01:07:33,010 --> 01:07:38,010
S13: Who are the hardest people to reach in our society? Uh, just,

1278
01:07:38,050 --> 01:07:41,090
S13: you know, generally, I would say, well, young men. You know,

1279
01:07:41,130 --> 01:07:43,770
S13: they're not the ones that are going to church showing up,

1280
01:07:43,770 --> 01:07:46,689
S13: showing that much interest. Now it's a little bit the

1281
01:07:46,690 --> 01:07:52,090
S13: opposite right now. They are surging into church and very open.

1282
01:07:52,490 --> 01:07:55,490
S13: And so what I decided to do is just interview

1283
01:07:55,490 --> 01:07:58,530
S13: some people that are very much in that world. And

1284
01:07:58,530 --> 01:08:03,050
S13: so this is a seven interviews basically just talking about, hey,

1285
01:08:03,090 --> 01:08:06,130
S13: what is God doing and how can we add fuel

1286
01:08:06,130 --> 01:08:09,530
S13: to that fire. It's very encouraging by the way. Very insightful.

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01:08:09,770 --> 01:08:12,770
S1: Yeah. It's going to be a great it's a great tool.

1288
01:08:13,250 --> 01:08:16,250
S1: So we've got a link for you here guys. Just

1289
01:08:16,250 --> 01:08:21,130
S1: text the word quiet. It is the Quiet Revival podcast.

1290
01:08:21,130 --> 01:08:27,930
S1: And just text the word quiet to (800) 555-7898. Just the

1291
01:08:27,930 --> 01:08:33,759
S1: word quiet to 800 Five, five, five, 78, 98 and

1292
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:37,320
S1: we will get you linked up with this. It's releasing today, Ali.

1293
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,240
S3: First episode. I'm looking at it right now. There's a

1294
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:43,360
S3: trailer and then there's the first episode. Episodes are out

1295
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:46,439
S3: every Monday, I believe. So if you want to get

1296
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:51,320
S3: in on that, just text quiet to 800 555 7898.

1297
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:54,800
S3: Quiet to 800 555 7898.

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01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,680
S1: Man. So grateful for this. Uh, this is going to

1299
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,200
S1: go out the door, guys. Grab it yourself. Just text

1300
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:03,200
S1: the word quiet to our number here and enjoy.

1301
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:06,839
S7: He was sharing the gospel on the radio and then

1302
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:11,240
S7: he got saved. Young thunders in the crew. It's Carl

1303
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:12,960
S7: and crew on Moody Radio.

1304
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:16,240
S1: Yeah, unusual here, but I want to add another news story.

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01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:19,920
S1: It is certainly not nationally or internationally known, but the

1306
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:23,880
S1: impact has been significant. Nancy DeMoss, Wolgemuth, said goodbye to

1307
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:27,400
S1: her husband, Robert Wolgemuth, just a few days ago, and

1308
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:31,750
S1: he had complications from pneumonia. 77 years old, Robert. Quite

1309
01:09:31,790 --> 01:09:33,550
S1: a guy. We had him on our show here. In fact,

1310
01:09:33,550 --> 01:09:34,870
S1: we might have a clip of that here in just

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01:09:34,870 --> 01:09:36,549
S1: a moment. But I want to give you the background

1312
01:09:36,550 --> 01:09:39,030
S1: on this guy. Some of this I didn't know. Isn't

1313
01:09:39,030 --> 01:09:40,670
S1: that amazing that some of the stuff you find out

1314
01:09:40,670 --> 01:09:42,469
S1: after people go on to be with.

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01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:42,750
S12: God.

1316
01:09:42,910 --> 01:09:45,229
S3: Is when you get the full picture of maybe aspects

1317
01:09:45,229 --> 01:09:47,790
S3: of their, of their life that you weren't privy to.

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S1: Yeah. Uh, it's it's interesting. Uh, so Robert wasn't always

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S1: married to Nancy, right? Uh, Robert was married to Barbara,

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01:09:57,950 --> 01:10:04,830
S1: commonly known as Bobbie Wolgemuth, until her passing in 2014.

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S1: And then it was about a year later that, uh,

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S1: Robert and Nancy were married. And, uh, the rumor has

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S1: it that Nancy was one giddy kind of girl for sure,

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01:10:16,189 --> 01:10:19,670
S1: and loved this man deeply. Uh, you know, I've seen

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S1: some of the Facebook posts of and some of the

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01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:26,070
S1: musings that she has put out there about her. Man,

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01:10:26,229 --> 01:10:29,330
S1: Robert's quite a guy. I did not know that he

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01:10:29,330 --> 01:10:31,610
S1: had been. I guess I'd heard of it, spaced it out.

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S1: President of Thomas Nelson Publishers for a good stretch and

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S1: was an award winning author himself, had published a lot

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01:10:39,890 --> 01:10:43,890
S1: of books. They called me uh, She Calls Me Daddy

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01:10:44,130 --> 01:10:49,370
S1: is one of his really phenomenal, widely read books on fatherhood, responsibility,

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S1: spiritual leadership in the home. Quite a guy. Uh, Robert

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S1: Wolgemuth has gone on to his reward. Just three days ago, Ali.

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S3: And we had the opportunity to have him on our

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S3: program here on Carl and crew a couple of years

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S3: ago on one of his most influential books that he

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S3: had written. It was a book called Lies, Men Believe

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01:11:06,810 --> 01:11:10,050
S3: and the Truth That Sets Them Free. He did an

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S3: extensive interview and at the end closed it out with

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S3: a prayer. And we thought that that was a very

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01:11:16,170 --> 01:11:19,250
S3: appropriate thing to allow you to hear in his words

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S3: this morning. This is Robert Wolgemuth. Take a listen.

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S14: Lord Jesus, we know that you know something really important

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01:11:25,090 --> 01:11:28,880
S14: and that is that every life change begins with a

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01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:32,599
S14: single decision. Every life change begins with a single decision.

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01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:36,080
S14: So I pray for men right now, and maybe for

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01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:39,280
S14: the women who love them, who are listening in their car,

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01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:41,720
S14: who are somewhere else but listening. And you're speaking to them.

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01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:44,759
S14: They know it full well, and you're saying, all right,

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01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:48,720
S14: you need to make make a decision about something in

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01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,439
S14: your life that needs to change. And so I pray

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01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:54,360
S14: for courage. That's what this is going to take courage

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01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,360
S14: to take the step, to dive into the water and

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01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:00,240
S14: to say, Lord, I need you. I'm in serious trouble here.

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01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:03,560
S14: I confess what I've been up to. And I need

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01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:07,200
S14: your grace. I need your your forgiveness. I need to

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01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:11,160
S14: be clean before you. So I pray, Lord Jesus, for

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01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:13,840
S14: the men who are listening right now. And it's almost

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01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:17,360
S14: as though I'm reading their mail. You have inspired Carl

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01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:19,840
S14: and Ally and me to speak to their hearts, and

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01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:21,840
S14: I pray that they would listen. I pray that they

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01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,639
S14: would have the courage to obey, and then thank you

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01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,830
S14: in advance for what you're going to do in this

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01:12:26,830 --> 01:12:30,070
S14: man's life right now. We pray in Jesus name. Amen.

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01:12:30,110 --> 01:12:30,790
S12: Amen. Amen.

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S15: And let it be.

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S1: Salt of the earth guy.

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S3: Yeah. And I want to give a quick note that

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S3: today's revive our hearts. What you hear at 10:00 central time,

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01:12:38,870 --> 01:12:41,150
S3: right here in the Moody Radio Network. It's going to

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01:12:41,150 --> 01:12:44,589
S3: be an entire hour. The whole programming dedicated to honoring

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01:12:44,590 --> 01:12:47,870
S3: the life and legacy of Robert Wolgemuth. So if you

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01:12:47,870 --> 01:12:51,150
S3: listen to Nancy occasionally, today's going to be a good

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01:12:51,150 --> 01:12:54,950
S3: episode as she honors her late husband, Robert Wolgemuth.

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01:12:54,990 --> 01:12:56,910
S1: Oh boy, there's going to be some tears on this one.

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01:12:56,910 --> 01:12:57,549
S12: Oh, boy.

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01:12:57,590 --> 01:13:00,670
S3: Yeah, I mean, he he was all about finishing. Well,

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01:13:00,670 --> 01:13:03,070
S3: that was something he had given a lot of thought to.

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01:13:03,470 --> 01:13:07,750
S3: So it's crossing the finish line. Remembering Robert. Robert Wolgemuth

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01:13:07,750 --> 01:13:10,510
S3: is the title of today's episode, so be listening at

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01:13:10,510 --> 01:13:15,790
S3: 10:00 central time to revive our hearts with Nancy Leigh DeMoss. Wolgemuth.

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01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:19,150
S1: Yeah. To be absent from the body is to be

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01:13:19,150 --> 01:13:23,830
S1: present with the Lord. Robert Wolgemuth in the presence of

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S1: God this morning.