1 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,800 S1: I'm Alli Dawson sitting in again for Chris Fabry today 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,520 S1: at the Radio Backyard fence. You're going to hear a 3 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:17,720 S1: story that's going to raise some tough questions about faith, 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,840 S1: about the cost of following Jesus. A young missionary couple 5 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,840 S1: and a dear friend were brutally murdered in the country 6 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,240 S1: they devoted their lives to serving. That was the story 7 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,000 S1: that made national headlines two years ago. But there's so 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,120 S1: much more you need to know about Davy and Natalie 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,640 S1: Lloyd and their friend Jude. So today you're going to 10 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:42,800 S1: hear from Davy's parents their heartbreak, but also their healing 11 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,879 S1: and their hope and their challenge to every believer. It's 12 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,040 S1: coming up today on this important conversation here on Chris Fabry. 13 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,720 S1: Live from the heart to the heart for the heart. 14 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,320 S1: Got the team in place here today in our studio 15 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,020 S1: in downtown Chicago. Ryan is engineering for us. We've got 16 00:01:01,020 --> 00:01:05,580 S1: Lisa producing. Trish is off today. Josh is answering phones, 17 00:01:05,580 --> 00:01:07,899 S1: and I'm so glad that you have chosen to spend 18 00:01:08,180 --> 00:01:11,460 S1: a little bit of your afternoon here with us. It 19 00:01:11,459 --> 00:01:15,780 S1: is a sunny, warm day here in Chicago. I don't 20 00:01:15,780 --> 00:01:18,180 S1: know what the weather is like where you are, but 21 00:01:18,580 --> 00:01:22,420 S1: most likely you are experiencing the summer temperatures. And I 22 00:01:22,420 --> 00:01:25,179 S1: want to introduce our our guests and make sure that 23 00:01:25,180 --> 00:01:28,300 S1: we get plenty of time with them today. David and 24 00:01:28,300 --> 00:01:32,339 S1: Alisa Lloyd, they met in Bible College where so many 25 00:01:32,340 --> 00:01:37,740 S1: great marriages start, and after marrying in 1997, they got 26 00:01:37,740 --> 00:01:40,780 S1: right to what they felt from the Lord was their 27 00:01:40,780 --> 00:01:44,420 S1: calling to serve the people in Haiti. So they moved. 28 00:01:44,459 --> 00:01:47,540 S1: A year later and under the name Missions in Haiti, 29 00:01:47,740 --> 00:01:51,660 S1: their children's home has raised more than 100 orphans and 30 00:01:51,660 --> 00:01:57,420 S1: others to adulthood. Their school educates some 450 children a year. 31 00:01:57,620 --> 00:02:00,650 S1: They have other outreaches, including the good Hope church, a 32 00:02:00,650 --> 00:02:05,330 S1: commercial bakery, a sewing factory, and you know, they have 33 00:02:05,330 --> 00:02:06,930 S1: a book out and that's going to be our featured 34 00:02:06,930 --> 00:02:10,770 S1: resource today. It's called strong to the End, the simple 35 00:02:10,770 --> 00:02:15,170 S1: service and sudden sacrifice of the martyrs in Haiti. David 36 00:02:15,169 --> 00:02:17,410 S1: and Elisa, first, I want to just thank you for 37 00:02:17,730 --> 00:02:20,330 S1: sharing your story with us today. I just want to 38 00:02:20,330 --> 00:02:21,970 S1: welcome you to Chris Fabry Live. 39 00:02:22,730 --> 00:02:25,770 S2: Thank you. It's good to be here. We appreciate the opportunity. 40 00:02:26,370 --> 00:02:31,369 S1: Now, what was it that drew your heart to Haiti? Because, 41 00:02:31,410 --> 00:02:35,610 S1: you know, when the story of of of your son David, 42 00:02:36,050 --> 00:02:40,290 S1: American missionary couple, but in so many ways, he was 43 00:02:40,370 --> 00:02:44,730 S1: more Haitian than he was American, just based on his 44 00:02:44,770 --> 00:02:47,370 S1: the life he had led and his experience. Talk a 45 00:02:47,370 --> 00:02:49,690 S1: little bit about your heart for that country. 46 00:02:51,090 --> 00:02:53,170 S2: Well, I grew up outside of Saint Louis in a 47 00:02:53,169 --> 00:02:56,130 S2: very mission minded church, and we had missionaries coming through, 48 00:02:56,130 --> 00:02:59,350 S2: always speaking and, you know, from different places around the world. 49 00:02:59,630 --> 00:03:01,510 S2: And I remember as a young boy, we had one 50 00:03:01,510 --> 00:03:04,870 S2: come through, uh, that was in Haiti, involved in Haiti. 51 00:03:04,870 --> 00:03:08,310 S2: And he spoke about Haiti. And I just felt like 52 00:03:08,310 --> 00:03:10,269 S2: the Lord spoke to me during the service and said, 53 00:03:10,270 --> 00:03:13,270 S2: someday you'll be there. Um, I was probably about nine 54 00:03:13,270 --> 00:03:15,910 S2: at the time, 9 or 10. And as I grew, 55 00:03:15,950 --> 00:03:17,829 S2: of course, I was like, oh, that was just an 56 00:03:17,830 --> 00:03:20,870 S2: emotion that wasn't really God's speaking to me. So I 57 00:03:20,870 --> 00:03:23,310 S2: argued with the call back and forth and finished high 58 00:03:23,310 --> 00:03:27,310 S2: school and enrolled in community college there and just was 59 00:03:27,310 --> 00:03:31,710 S2: wrestling with the call and just trying to, um, pass 60 00:03:31,710 --> 00:03:34,070 S2: something else off that I think the Lord would be 61 00:03:34,070 --> 00:03:36,430 S2: okay with. I'll be a teacher here in the States, 62 00:03:36,430 --> 00:03:38,670 S2: or I'll do something for the Lord here. And he 63 00:03:38,670 --> 00:03:41,350 S2: just kept dealing with me until about halfway through the 64 00:03:41,350 --> 00:03:45,350 S2: first year at the community college. I was just miserable. 65 00:03:45,390 --> 00:03:48,630 S2: Basically a good way to describe it. Um, and, uh, 66 00:03:48,910 --> 00:03:51,550 S2: a missionary to Africa came by the church and he 67 00:03:51,550 --> 00:03:55,310 S2: spoke about the Bible college down in southern Missouri. And 68 00:03:55,470 --> 00:03:57,220 S2: I just say, that's what I'm supposed to go. I'm 69 00:03:57,220 --> 00:04:00,420 S2: supposed to go there and just figure out where how 70 00:04:00,460 --> 00:04:03,820 S2: I can fulfill God's call upon my life. And so 71 00:04:03,820 --> 00:04:06,980 S2: I enrolled for the next year and, uh, quit the 72 00:04:06,980 --> 00:04:09,940 S2: community college and went to Bible college with the plan 73 00:04:09,940 --> 00:04:12,020 S2: of someday being in the country of Haiti. 74 00:04:12,060 --> 00:04:15,740 S1: Yeah. Lisa, what about you? Did you have a heart 75 00:04:15,740 --> 00:04:19,859 S1: for Haiti prior to meeting David, or did that call? 76 00:04:19,860 --> 00:04:22,260 S1: Did the Lord confirm that call for you once you 77 00:04:22,260 --> 00:04:23,180 S1: you were married? 78 00:04:24,180 --> 00:04:26,620 S3: Well, I feel like I felt like God wanted me 79 00:04:26,620 --> 00:04:30,340 S3: to be a missionary somewhere, and I just didn't know where. But, um, 80 00:04:30,339 --> 00:04:32,180 S3: when I met David, I knew that he was going 81 00:04:32,180 --> 00:04:34,660 S3: to be a missionary to Haiti. And so I knew 82 00:04:34,660 --> 00:04:36,500 S3: if I married him, that that's where we were going 83 00:04:36,500 --> 00:04:37,860 S3: to spend our life. 84 00:04:38,339 --> 00:04:41,740 S1: And so you spent, uh, your you raised your three 85 00:04:41,740 --> 00:04:45,740 S1: children there, uh, Davy, your oldest, and then also Hannah 86 00:04:45,740 --> 00:04:51,219 S1: and Samuel. What was life like for them as kids 87 00:04:51,220 --> 00:04:54,640 S1: being raised on the mission field in a, in a 88 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,480 S1: in a in a very difficult place. 89 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,080 S3: Well, to them it never seemed difficult because that was 90 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,160 S3: their home. And that's just all they ever knew. And 91 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,039 S3: they loved Haiti. And actually, every time we came to 92 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,120 S3: the States, they couldn't wait to get back to Haiti 93 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,719 S3: and be around their friends. You know, they basically grew 94 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,520 S3: up in the children children's home with the other children. 95 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,680 S3: So they had tons of friends. And they they loved 96 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,599 S3: the culture. They loved. They loved every yes, the food, 97 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,240 S3: everything about Haiti, they love, um, Davey and Hannah. They 98 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:30,159 S3: spoke Creole before they spoke English. Wow. And they just yes, 99 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:31,680 S3: they just absolutely loved Haiti. 100 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,800 S2: Even when Davey was young, we'd come to the States 101 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,120 S2: to Itinerate for a couple of weeks, and if we 102 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,920 S2: stayed longer than three weeks, he was starting to get homesick. 103 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,760 S2: He would not be able to sleep at night. He 104 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,720 S2: would not. He'd be tired of the hamburgers and not 105 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,440 S2: wanting to eat properly and. And then as soon as 106 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,080 S2: we would land back in Haiti, it was just the 107 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,320 S2: like a light switch flipped. And he was just so 108 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,390 S2: much so happy to be home and back with his 109 00:05:54,390 --> 00:05:57,350 S2: brothers and sisters, and just running the grounds there and 110 00:05:57,350 --> 00:05:58,190 S2: having a good time. 111 00:05:58,790 --> 00:06:01,990 S1: What was your, uh, your mission as a family that 112 00:06:01,990 --> 00:06:04,990 S1: you I mean, you started this, you, you had the, 113 00:06:05,029 --> 00:06:09,070 S1: the school, you had the where caring for children, the bakery. 114 00:06:09,110 --> 00:06:11,390 S1: I mean, it became a whole compound. But when you 115 00:06:11,390 --> 00:06:15,310 S1: first got there, what was your, your personal mission for 116 00:06:15,310 --> 00:06:17,270 S1: what you wanted to do in this country? 117 00:06:18,230 --> 00:06:22,109 S2: We went with a, another mission. Our first two years 118 00:06:22,110 --> 00:06:24,510 S2: we were there, um, just to kind of get an 119 00:06:24,510 --> 00:06:27,229 S2: idea of what Haiti would need in the direction the 120 00:06:27,230 --> 00:06:30,350 S2: Lord would have us go. Um, so after working with 121 00:06:30,350 --> 00:06:32,710 S2: them for two years, we started missions in Haiti, actually 122 00:06:32,710 --> 00:06:35,470 S2: the year 2000, same year Davy was born. Both of 123 00:06:35,470 --> 00:06:38,270 S2: them that July Davy was born July 3rd and missions 124 00:06:38,270 --> 00:06:43,430 S2: in Haiti, uh, became a non-profit organization later that month. Um, 125 00:06:43,630 --> 00:06:45,470 S2: during the first two years, we just saw the need 126 00:06:45,470 --> 00:06:49,150 S2: for children. Um, you know, over 40% of the country 127 00:06:49,190 --> 00:06:53,370 S2: was under the age of 15. Uh, many large families. Um, 128 00:06:53,770 --> 00:06:58,010 S2: some had lost one parent, many children had lost both parents. 129 00:06:58,010 --> 00:07:01,250 S2: Some was economic orphans, as they call them. Just all 130 00:07:01,250 --> 00:07:03,570 S2: different reasons of why children were not able to go 131 00:07:03,570 --> 00:07:06,650 S2: to school or were starving. And just the plight of 132 00:07:06,650 --> 00:07:09,289 S2: the children really touched our heart. So I remember our 133 00:07:09,290 --> 00:07:12,050 S2: first board meeting, I put together a group of pastors 134 00:07:12,050 --> 00:07:14,130 S2: that would be our board, and we we sat down 135 00:07:14,130 --> 00:07:16,410 S2: and said, this is kind of what I see. Uh, 136 00:07:16,410 --> 00:07:19,290 S2: maybe we'll bring in 12 boys into our home, we'll 137 00:07:19,290 --> 00:07:21,610 S2: raise them and then have a church in a school 138 00:07:21,810 --> 00:07:23,930 S2: kind of a mission compound. And we'll just see how 139 00:07:23,930 --> 00:07:27,890 S2: the Lord, uh, grows with that. Um, all that changed 140 00:07:27,890 --> 00:07:30,050 S2: after a few months. We went back and our first 141 00:07:30,050 --> 00:07:34,050 S2: little boy came to us and, um, at January 2001, 142 00:07:34,370 --> 00:07:36,810 S2: and then a couple weeks later, a brother and sister, 143 00:07:36,810 --> 00:07:40,690 S2: there was a need for them. So we couldn't turn 144 00:07:40,690 --> 00:07:43,290 S2: the girl away. So it kind of shot the plans 145 00:07:43,290 --> 00:07:46,930 S2: for just 12 boys. So at that moment, we decided, okay, 146 00:07:46,970 --> 00:07:49,450 S2: we'll kind of split the home here and have a 147 00:07:49,450 --> 00:07:53,510 S2: side for girls and side for boys. Uh, room for 148 00:07:53,510 --> 00:07:56,150 S2: girls and room for boys. Yeah. So, uh, that kind 149 00:07:56,190 --> 00:07:58,710 S2: of just grew. Um, we, uh, we had a home 150 00:07:58,710 --> 00:08:00,710 S2: for 12, and then it went, we moved to a 151 00:08:00,750 --> 00:08:04,110 S2: bigger location. We're home for 24. And then, um, the 152 00:08:04,110 --> 00:08:06,750 S2: property that missions in Haiti was able to purchase in 153 00:08:06,750 --> 00:08:09,590 S2: the year 2005, north of the capital city of port 154 00:08:09,590 --> 00:08:13,990 S2: au Prince. Um, that's where things really started to progress 155 00:08:13,990 --> 00:08:17,950 S2: and grow and, and just the Lord's hand, upon meeting 156 00:08:17,950 --> 00:08:20,950 S2: the financial needs, we bought the acre and a half 157 00:08:20,990 --> 00:08:24,070 S2: out there with the idea for 36 kids, 18 boys, 158 00:08:24,070 --> 00:08:27,670 S2: 18 girls and built that. And then the need for 159 00:08:27,670 --> 00:08:30,790 S2: school was presented, the need for a church was presented. 160 00:08:30,790 --> 00:08:34,670 S2: And then as we were there, the time goes by 161 00:08:34,990 --> 00:08:39,150 S2: very quickly and the kids grew and become adults. And 162 00:08:39,190 --> 00:08:43,710 S2: with the employment being such a, you know, the unemployment 163 00:08:43,710 --> 00:08:46,390 S2: rate being so high there in the country, we saw 164 00:08:46,390 --> 00:08:48,550 S2: the need to be able to branch out and provide 165 00:08:48,550 --> 00:08:51,579 S2: jobs for the children. And that's where missions in Haiti started. 166 00:08:52,179 --> 00:08:56,980 S2: Some with the bakery and the sewing and solar installations 167 00:08:57,020 --> 00:08:59,700 S2: and house building. We was involved in all kinds of things, 168 00:08:59,700 --> 00:09:03,300 S2: trying to provide jobs for the children that we raised. 169 00:09:03,340 --> 00:09:10,059 S1: Yeah. So, Davey, he felt that call early to continue 170 00:09:10,059 --> 00:09:13,100 S1: on what his parents had started in Haiti. And when 171 00:09:13,100 --> 00:09:16,179 S1: he met his beautiful bride, Natalie, it didn't take long, 172 00:09:16,179 --> 00:09:18,140 S1: I think a two week trip to Haiti. And she 173 00:09:18,140 --> 00:09:22,020 S1: was absolutely in love with the country and the people 174 00:09:22,020 --> 00:09:25,660 S1: as well. Coming up, we will continue our story. David 175 00:09:25,660 --> 00:09:27,180 S1: and Alisa Lloyd, our guest today. 176 00:09:31,900 --> 00:09:33,780 S4: We have a thank you this month for your support 177 00:09:33,780 --> 00:09:36,420 S4: of Chris Fabry Live, a book by a hero who 178 00:09:36,420 --> 00:09:40,180 S4: passed away in March, Doctor John Perkins, who said this. 179 00:09:40,179 --> 00:09:44,179 S4: There is no reconciliation until you recognize the dignity of 180 00:09:44,179 --> 00:09:47,580 S4: the other, until you see their view. You have to 181 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,720 S4: enter into the pain of the people. You've got to 182 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,600 S4: feel their need. And he did that one. Blood is 183 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,080 S4: a powerful call to reconciliation. It's a call to hope 184 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,160 S4: and forgiveness. I'd love to send you a copy. Give 185 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,559 S4: a gift of any size, and we'll send you these 186 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:13,480 S4: parting words to the body of Christ. Call 8669538669532279. Or 187 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:19,520 S4: go to chris.org and give a gift today. Chris Fabry live.org. 188 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,679 S1: We have David and Alisa Lloyd with us. Their new book, 189 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,120 S1: strong to the End The Simple Service and Sudden Sacrifice 190 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,960 S1: of the Martyrs in Haiti, tells the story of their 191 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:40,520 S1: oldest son, Davy, his bride Natalie, and their dear friend Jude, 192 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:46,750 S1: who were murdered in Haiti just two years ago when Davey, 193 00:10:46,990 --> 00:10:49,830 S1: you know, he showed such a spiritual maturity from a 194 00:10:49,830 --> 00:10:52,710 S1: young age. That's clear in the book that you've written 195 00:10:52,710 --> 00:10:56,470 S1: that he was he had an eye toward eternity from 196 00:10:56,470 --> 00:10:59,030 S1: a very young age. You know, his his life mission 197 00:10:59,030 --> 00:11:01,230 S1: or his statement of purpose, that he wanted to live 198 00:11:01,230 --> 00:11:05,949 S1: life intentionally in light of eternity. And that is echoed through. 199 00:11:05,950 --> 00:11:08,190 S1: I'm sure you saw that from a very young age 200 00:11:08,190 --> 00:11:11,110 S1: when he when the Lord confirmed that he was not 201 00:11:11,110 --> 00:11:14,310 S1: going to stay in the U.S. after Bible College and 202 00:11:14,309 --> 00:11:17,230 S1: continue ministry work there, he was going to return back 203 00:11:17,230 --> 00:11:20,469 S1: to Haiti and continue the work that you had started. 204 00:11:20,870 --> 00:11:24,190 S1: It probably came as no surprise to you. Tell me. 205 00:11:24,230 --> 00:11:24,950 S1: Tell me more. 206 00:11:26,470 --> 00:11:29,709 S3: Well, it actually didn't because he had always told us 207 00:11:29,710 --> 00:11:32,750 S3: that that was his plan. And I asked him to 208 00:11:32,790 --> 00:11:35,390 S3: please go to Bible school for four years first, before 209 00:11:35,390 --> 00:11:38,069 S3: he made that decision, and make sure that is what 210 00:11:38,110 --> 00:11:40,030 S3: God wanted him to do. Because I told him times 211 00:11:40,030 --> 00:11:41,830 S3: would get tough when he was an adult, and if 212 00:11:41,830 --> 00:11:44,510 S3: he wasn't sure that that's what God wanted him to do, 213 00:11:44,510 --> 00:11:47,330 S3: that he wouldn't be able to to stay there. 214 00:11:47,890 --> 00:11:50,850 S1: Tell me a little bit about Natalie. He met her 215 00:11:50,850 --> 00:11:54,250 S1: in the U.S. and she had never traveled outside the States, 216 00:11:54,250 --> 00:11:56,730 S1: but a two week trip to Haiti, and she was 217 00:11:56,890 --> 00:11:59,290 S1: fully on board with this mission. Tell me about her. 218 00:12:00,210 --> 00:12:05,010 S3: Yes. And she was such a wonderful, perfect young lady 219 00:12:05,010 --> 00:12:08,690 S3: for Davey. And she knew that Davey was going back 220 00:12:08,690 --> 00:12:11,969 S3: to Haiti. You know, he told everybody, you know, when 221 00:12:11,970 --> 00:12:14,250 S3: he went to Bible school, he said, if you're not 222 00:12:14,250 --> 00:12:16,730 S3: interested in going to Haiti, don't talk to me as 223 00:12:16,730 --> 00:12:19,610 S3: a girlfriend, because that's where I plan to spend the 224 00:12:19,610 --> 00:12:22,490 S3: rest of my life. And she did. She went to Haiti, 225 00:12:22,490 --> 00:12:24,689 S3: and she just loved on all of the kids. She 226 00:12:24,690 --> 00:12:27,170 S3: let them crawl all over. And she never once told 227 00:12:27,170 --> 00:12:29,570 S3: them to get off of her, get back or, you know, 228 00:12:29,610 --> 00:12:32,290 S3: you're dirty. You know, you've been playing outside all day. 229 00:12:32,290 --> 00:12:35,850 S3: You're sweaty. No, she just let them do whatever, you know, 230 00:12:36,050 --> 00:12:38,250 S3: fix her hair, do whatever they wanted to. And we 231 00:12:38,290 --> 00:12:40,530 S3: knew after that trip that she was going to be 232 00:12:40,570 --> 00:12:42,610 S3: able to make it there in Haiti. 233 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,960 S1: Now talk a little bit about the the context of 234 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,480 S1: work in Haiti, because there's, you know, for anybody who 235 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,400 S1: doesn't know a lot about the country, you hear about 236 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,520 S1: the the earthquake and the disasters, you hear about political corruption, 237 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,439 S1: you hear about gang violence, you hear a lot about 238 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,520 S1: all of these different things and give us a just 239 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,560 S1: kind of a snapshot of what life was like there, 240 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,439 S1: because it wasn't always that way. 241 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,000 S2: No. We went, you know, it's been 28 years ago 242 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:18,440 S2: now approaching that. Um, and, uh, there was still life 243 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,120 S2: was decent. I mean, around port au Prince. I mean, 244 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,360 S2: there was restaurants and a few stores you could go 245 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:27,120 S2: in you didn't have to worry about, um, you know, 246 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:32,880 S2: somebody kidnapping you or shooting you. But that changed shortly thereafter. 247 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,680 S2: In the early 2000, they started doing the kidnapping for 248 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,880 S2: business and the little gangs started rising up. Um, and 249 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,760 S2: then that went on for a few years. So you 250 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,980 S2: couldn't go out after dark anymore. Things changed. A lot 251 00:13:44,020 --> 00:13:47,020 S2: of areas you couldn't travel in, and all that was 252 00:13:47,179 --> 00:13:52,060 S2: subsided in early 2007 and things went back to normal where, 253 00:13:52,340 --> 00:13:54,140 S2: you know, families would go out to the beach on 254 00:13:54,140 --> 00:13:58,660 S2: the weekends and, um, you know, people was had businesses 255 00:13:58,660 --> 00:14:04,140 S2: and jobs, even though, you know, not in, uh, they 256 00:14:04,140 --> 00:14:06,460 S2: were sparse, you know, there was still a lot of unemployment, 257 00:14:06,460 --> 00:14:09,580 S2: but there was life was functioning and everybody was, was 258 00:14:09,580 --> 00:14:12,380 S2: getting by. And then of course, the big earthquake in 2010, 259 00:14:12,420 --> 00:14:15,420 S2: we were there for that. And the devastation that it 260 00:14:15,420 --> 00:14:18,780 S2: caused and kind of setting the country back and all 261 00:14:18,780 --> 00:14:22,540 S2: the promised finances that was raised. And some came in, 262 00:14:22,540 --> 00:14:25,580 S2: but a lot didn't. And then the Haitians just started 263 00:14:25,580 --> 00:14:30,620 S2: slowly rebuilding back from that. And then probably about 2018 264 00:14:30,660 --> 00:14:33,700 S2: is when the little gang situation started rising again, even 265 00:14:33,700 --> 00:14:36,220 S2: to the point, I mean, we kept in certain areas 266 00:14:36,220 --> 00:14:39,420 S2: around port au Prince and they weren't dealt with like 267 00:14:39,420 --> 00:14:41,610 S2: they should have been, and they it just continued to 268 00:14:41,650 --> 00:14:46,290 S2: grow and, and got to where there's many areas you 269 00:14:46,290 --> 00:14:48,570 S2: can't you couldn't travel. And it just kept getting worse 270 00:14:48,570 --> 00:14:50,490 S2: and worse and worse. And they're just taking over more 271 00:14:50,490 --> 00:14:53,410 S2: and more area until the whole port au Prince surrounding 272 00:14:53,410 --> 00:14:56,890 S2: area has now been completely is under complete gain control. 273 00:14:57,090 --> 00:15:00,770 S2: And then they're working their way out into the country, 274 00:15:00,770 --> 00:15:05,730 S2: into the provinces of the country, and just continually going 275 00:15:05,770 --> 00:15:08,010 S2: further and further and making it more and more unsafe. 276 00:15:08,330 --> 00:15:11,890 S2: I'm on a group chat that gets notices on what's 277 00:15:11,890 --> 00:15:14,690 S2: taking place in the country, and it's almost daily of 278 00:15:14,890 --> 00:15:17,170 S2: new areas. I mean, it could just be a poor 279 00:15:17,210 --> 00:15:19,770 S2: little fishing villages that people are living in mud huts, 280 00:15:19,770 --> 00:15:22,130 S2: and the gangs just go in there and destroy everything 281 00:15:22,130 --> 00:15:24,650 S2: they've got and kill people and take what they want 282 00:15:24,690 --> 00:15:28,010 S2: and then move on to the next conquest. Now you wicked. 283 00:15:28,250 --> 00:15:33,010 S1: You made adjustments when when it was necessary to, you know, 284 00:15:33,050 --> 00:15:36,250 S1: to take the proper precautions for for the kids that 285 00:15:36,250 --> 00:15:38,970 S1: were in your care and for your family. And obviously 286 00:15:38,970 --> 00:15:41,390 S1: you don't do that without the support of other people. 287 00:15:41,430 --> 00:15:44,950 S1: Tell me about About Jude, who was such a support 288 00:15:44,950 --> 00:15:47,990 S1: for your family. Became like family to you? 289 00:15:49,390 --> 00:15:52,390 S3: Yeah. Jude was one of our best friends and he 290 00:15:52,390 --> 00:15:54,630 S3: worked closely with us. And when the kids were little, 291 00:15:54,670 --> 00:15:59,270 S3: they even called him Uncle Jude. And so he always, 292 00:15:59,310 --> 00:16:01,590 S3: you know, we had our little community where we had 293 00:16:01,590 --> 00:16:03,590 S3: the school and the bakery and all of that, and 294 00:16:03,590 --> 00:16:06,550 S3: the church and everything in our little area continued to 295 00:16:06,590 --> 00:16:10,390 S3: function without any kind of problems from the gangs. We 296 00:16:10,430 --> 00:16:12,550 S3: knew that, you know, sometimes you'd have to be careful, 297 00:16:12,590 --> 00:16:14,470 S3: like when you would walk across the road and stuff 298 00:16:14,510 --> 00:16:16,310 S3: you did to the church or the school. You wanted 299 00:16:16,310 --> 00:16:19,470 S3: to be careful and vigilant. But we weren't. We weren't 300 00:16:19,470 --> 00:16:21,830 S3: living in fear or anything because they had never really 301 00:16:21,830 --> 00:16:23,590 S3: made any threats against us. 302 00:16:23,670 --> 00:16:24,270 S1: Mhm. 303 00:16:24,590 --> 00:16:26,710 S2: And Jude was just such a blessing to us. I mean, 304 00:16:26,750 --> 00:16:29,830 S2: he'd been with us for over 20 years and his kids, 305 00:16:29,830 --> 00:16:32,910 S2: he got married and has his little girl, Esther and 306 00:16:32,950 --> 00:16:36,230 S2: little boy Timothy. And, and they spend time with us 307 00:16:36,230 --> 00:16:38,230 S2: every day at our house. And he's just part of 308 00:16:38,330 --> 00:16:40,010 S2: the family. We really miss him. 309 00:16:40,210 --> 00:16:43,170 S1: And he a Haitian. So he had been born and 310 00:16:43,170 --> 00:16:45,810 S1: raised in the country, and so were there things that 311 00:16:45,810 --> 00:16:49,650 S1: he was able to help you understand about, um, the, the, 312 00:16:49,930 --> 00:16:53,610 S1: the culture that maybe were difficult to understand from an 313 00:16:53,610 --> 00:16:54,650 S1: American background? 314 00:16:55,170 --> 00:16:58,650 S2: Oh yes. Anytime there's a different culture involved, there's a 315 00:16:58,650 --> 00:17:01,290 S2: lot to learn. And, um, you know, we would have 316 00:17:01,290 --> 00:17:03,890 S2: an idea and he would look at us and he'd say, pass. 317 00:17:04,170 --> 00:17:05,970 S2: He said, you know, that's just not going to work 318 00:17:05,970 --> 00:17:08,130 S2: here in Haiti. Or, you know, I'd come up with 319 00:17:08,130 --> 00:17:10,170 S2: an idea and he'd be like, yeah, we could do this, 320 00:17:10,170 --> 00:17:13,050 S2: but can we like critique it in this area a 321 00:17:13,050 --> 00:17:15,050 S2: little bit? I think it would be better. The Haitians 322 00:17:15,050 --> 00:17:18,770 S2: would receive it. And then through our school curriculum that 323 00:17:18,810 --> 00:17:21,409 S2: my wife, Elisa and Jude developed, that we were using 324 00:17:21,410 --> 00:17:23,770 S2: in our schools and had several schools throughout port au 325 00:17:23,770 --> 00:17:27,170 S2: Prince and Haiti using, um, he was such a tremendous 326 00:17:27,210 --> 00:17:30,649 S2: impact on that education. He had such hope for the 327 00:17:30,650 --> 00:17:35,050 S2: country that through Christian education, it could change. And he 328 00:17:35,050 --> 00:17:39,720 S2: was constantly out there promoting that and trying to get people, um, to, 329 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:45,320 S2: to improve their schools. Um, through, uh, just through his 330 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,960 S2: experience that he had had working with us and the 331 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,480 S2: success that our schools had had because of his influence there. 332 00:17:51,520 --> 00:18:00,639 S1: Yeah. Now, May 23rd, 2024, that's the. When nothing in 333 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,480 S1: your life has been the same since. I want you to, 334 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,960 S1: as best you can explain what happened that day, some 335 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,240 S1: of it you were aware of as it was happening. 336 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,119 S1: Much of it. You kind of had to piece together 337 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,240 S1: after the fact. But whoever wants to lead here, David 338 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:18,919 S1: or Alisa, I'll let you take it. 339 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,640 S2: Okay. So just the day before my youngest, Sam, and 340 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,920 S2: myself had returned to Oklahoma and my wife had come 341 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,720 S2: out a couple of weeks before, um, flights had been 342 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,320 S2: cancelled because the gangs had shut down the international airport 343 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,520 S2: by shooting it up. And and then just the week 344 00:18:35,580 --> 00:18:38,180 S2: before I came out, he. They opened the airport back 345 00:18:38,220 --> 00:18:42,580 S2: up and one of the local airline, sunrise, started flying. 346 00:18:42,940 --> 00:18:46,380 S2: So I went to Dave and Natalie. I said, hey, um, 347 00:18:46,460 --> 00:18:48,460 S2: the flights are going again. Do you want to go 348 00:18:48,460 --> 00:18:50,460 S2: take a couple of weeks? Um, or do you want 349 00:18:50,460 --> 00:18:53,100 S2: me and Sam to and then we'll swap out. And 350 00:18:53,100 --> 00:18:54,980 S2: they're like, no, we're good. Both of them, they said, 351 00:18:55,020 --> 00:18:58,060 S2: you know, we go, go over there, spend your two 352 00:18:58,060 --> 00:19:00,460 S2: weeks and then come back and then we'll go in. Uh, 353 00:19:00,460 --> 00:19:04,700 S2: that was the 22nd, Wednesday the 22nd. And then so Thursday, 354 00:19:04,740 --> 00:19:06,500 S2: I talked to Dave a couple of times about a 355 00:19:06,500 --> 00:19:09,140 S2: couple things during that had taken place during the day 356 00:19:09,140 --> 00:19:15,060 S2: there at Mission and Youth Service at 5:00 that evening. Uh, so, um, 357 00:19:15,220 --> 00:19:17,939 S2: they went to that and was coming home when we 358 00:19:17,940 --> 00:19:21,140 S2: got the first phone call from Jude actually, and he said, 359 00:19:21,140 --> 00:19:22,940 S2: I just got a notice from my wife who was 360 00:19:22,940 --> 00:19:25,260 S2: at the church and there was a gang waiting for 361 00:19:25,300 --> 00:19:27,540 S2: the Navy when he came out of the church, he 362 00:19:27,540 --> 00:19:29,700 S2: was the last one to leave with as the youth 363 00:19:29,700 --> 00:19:32,620 S2: was dismissed and they gave a signal, and they came 364 00:19:32,619 --> 00:19:35,530 S2: and grabbed him and was dragging him into the house. 365 00:19:35,810 --> 00:19:38,330 S2: And I said, Jud, what's going on? He said, pastor, 366 00:19:38,330 --> 00:19:40,210 S2: I don't know. I said, that's just what I was told, 367 00:19:40,210 --> 00:19:43,689 S2: that they grabbed him and they're in the mission compound now. 368 00:19:43,970 --> 00:19:47,050 S2: And I said, well, please find out what's going on. Um, 369 00:19:47,050 --> 00:19:49,570 S2: so immediately I hit my knees and started praying. And 370 00:19:49,570 --> 00:19:51,730 S2: my wife and Sam had just went out to get 371 00:19:51,730 --> 00:19:54,290 S2: some supper. They had went to McDonald's. That was Sam's choice. 372 00:19:54,290 --> 00:19:56,130 S2: He hadn't had it for a while. So he said, 373 00:19:56,130 --> 00:19:59,129 S2: let's do some McDonald's. And so they come back in 374 00:19:59,130 --> 00:20:00,970 S2: and what's going on? I said, can you pray? And 375 00:20:00,970 --> 00:20:02,930 S2: you pray right now for Davey and Natalie. We don't 376 00:20:02,930 --> 00:20:04,850 S2: know what's going on. So they threw the food on 377 00:20:04,850 --> 00:20:08,660 S2: the table and began to pray. Um, probably about 10 378 00:20:08,660 --> 00:20:11,409 S2: or 15 minutes later, the call came through. Jud had 379 00:20:12,130 --> 00:20:15,409 S2: gotten over the compound. The first group had left and 380 00:20:15,410 --> 00:20:19,889 S2: they had stolen whatever they wanted, had roughed AV up. And, um, uh, 381 00:20:19,890 --> 00:20:22,210 S2: they called on Jude's phone. I was talking to Davey 382 00:20:22,210 --> 00:20:25,209 S2: and I was like, well, what's how are you physically? 383 00:20:25,330 --> 00:20:27,330 S2: And he says, well, I got blood running down my 384 00:20:27,330 --> 00:20:30,090 S2: head from where they, you know, smashed me with the gun, 385 00:20:30,130 --> 00:20:32,290 S2: the butt of their gun. And, and then later I 386 00:20:32,290 --> 00:20:34,350 S2: found out they it actually had slammed his head into 387 00:20:34,350 --> 00:20:35,830 S2: the wall a few times and I said, well, you 388 00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:37,430 S2: need to get to the doctor. And he says, I am. 389 00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:39,830 S2: He says, get to the hospital. But I got a 390 00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:42,510 S2: few things here I need to take care of and 391 00:20:42,550 --> 00:20:45,430 S2: to make sure it's okay before I leave. And. And 392 00:20:45,470 --> 00:20:47,390 S2: then as we're talking, he goes, dad, I got to go. 393 00:20:47,390 --> 00:20:51,109 S2: Something else is going on. And he hung up the phone. Um, 394 00:20:51,390 --> 00:20:54,550 S2: so of course, once again, fear grips us not knowing 395 00:20:54,590 --> 00:20:58,310 S2: exactly what's taking place. Um, praying and then trying to 396 00:20:58,350 --> 00:21:01,630 S2: call back through, uh, call got through back through to 397 00:21:01,670 --> 00:21:04,230 S2: Jude's phone and he says, pastor, it's not good. He 398 00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:07,389 S2: said their guys are shooting everywhere. They're, they're shooting up 399 00:21:07,390 --> 00:21:10,150 S2: the house. And I was like, What's David doing? And 400 00:21:10,150 --> 00:21:12,149 S2: he's like, so he let me. Davey talked to me 401 00:21:12,150 --> 00:21:13,950 S2: a little bit and I asked Natalie, are you okay? 402 00:21:13,950 --> 00:21:16,989 S2: And he said, yeah. And. And Davey was like, I 403 00:21:17,030 --> 00:21:18,830 S2: can't talk now. He said, A lot of things are 404 00:21:18,830 --> 00:21:21,910 S2: going on. He says, just he said, just pray and 405 00:21:21,910 --> 00:21:25,710 S2: get some help. So we're here in Oklahoma. They're in, 406 00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:28,150 S2: you know, outside of port au Prince, Haiti. And it's 407 00:21:28,150 --> 00:21:30,830 S2: just like, what kind of help can we do? What 408 00:21:30,830 --> 00:21:32,899 S2: can we do? So we just called out to God 409 00:21:32,900 --> 00:21:36,820 S2: and was praying and believing God to answer the prayers 410 00:21:36,820 --> 00:21:39,020 S2: that how we want him to answer and to intervene 411 00:21:39,020 --> 00:21:42,540 S2: in that situation for that moment. Um, couldn't get any 412 00:21:42,540 --> 00:21:45,780 S2: more calls through and finally got one more through. And 413 00:21:45,820 --> 00:21:49,340 S2: Jude says it's not good. Past the roof, the windows 414 00:21:49,340 --> 00:21:51,500 S2: are all shot out of the house. They had held 415 00:21:51,500 --> 00:21:55,820 S2: up themselves in our Elise and I's personal home. And, um, 416 00:21:55,820 --> 00:21:58,419 S2: he said that we. And then Davey in the background, 417 00:21:58,420 --> 00:22:00,419 S2: he said, dad, we need help. And he's like, I'm 418 00:22:00,420 --> 00:22:03,300 S2: getting tired. And he says, and somebody needs to be 419 00:22:03,300 --> 00:22:05,300 S2: here before it gets dark. And it was almost dark 420 00:22:05,340 --> 00:22:08,140 S2: at that time. And then we didn't hear anything else 421 00:22:08,140 --> 00:22:12,780 S2: for a period of time. It's, you know, it's all 422 00:22:12,820 --> 00:22:16,419 S2: kind of a blur as far as the exact timing. 423 00:22:16,420 --> 00:22:19,379 S2: But then the call came in later that the gang 424 00:22:19,380 --> 00:22:21,420 S2: members had come up to the mission house and they 425 00:22:21,420 --> 00:22:24,820 S2: told the, the, the staff, they said, you guys can 426 00:22:24,820 --> 00:22:27,860 S2: come out, go to bed now. Everything's we're done. We've 427 00:22:27,859 --> 00:22:30,760 S2: killed the white guy, the bad guy referring to Jude 428 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,640 S2: and the two white people. So he said, we're leaving. 429 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,800 S2: And then the gang left, and that's what we were 430 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,399 S2: told at that moment. 431 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:44,400 S1: So you're in the United States and you're getting these updates. 432 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:49,680 S1: And initially you have to wonder, am I is what 433 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:54,520 S1: I'm hearing true? Is how do you even confirm? So 434 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,280 S1: you're obviously frantically trying to find out how to even 435 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,520 S1: discern if this is actually what happened. Were there people 436 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,240 S1: there who could give you any kind of I mean, 437 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,439 S1: there was so much chaos happening. Was there anybody who 438 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,240 S1: could give you like what you felt like was credible information? 439 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,000 S2: Yes. We had, you know, some young people that we 440 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,040 S2: had raised. That's part of the staff. And that was 441 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,920 S2: actually the the message we got from one of our 442 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,760 S2: young people that we'd raised was now working for us, 443 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,280 S2: and they said the gang had just left and said 444 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:32,100 S2: that they had killed them. So we. The the communication 445 00:23:32,100 --> 00:23:35,260 S2: is real spotty in Haiti. So it was hard. So 446 00:23:35,260 --> 00:23:37,340 S2: we couldn't really just talk. We'd have to send a 447 00:23:37,340 --> 00:23:39,420 S2: text or a voice message and then wait for when 448 00:23:39,460 --> 00:23:41,700 S2: to come back. So I was able to send one 449 00:23:41,700 --> 00:23:43,820 S2: and I said, I need somebody to verify that this 450 00:23:43,820 --> 00:23:46,180 S2: is true. And one of the young men that had 451 00:23:46,180 --> 00:23:48,220 S2: grew up with Davy, he said, I'm going to go 452 00:23:48,220 --> 00:23:50,580 S2: see what's going if it is. And. But he says, 453 00:23:50,619 --> 00:23:52,619 S2: first we got to put the fire out because they've 454 00:23:52,619 --> 00:23:55,060 S2: set everything on fire in the house down there. So, 455 00:23:55,460 --> 00:23:59,859 S2: um he. After a time then they called back and, 456 00:23:59,900 --> 00:24:03,060 S2: you know, said, yes, it's true that they have been killed. 457 00:24:05,500 --> 00:24:08,379 S1: Our guest right now, David and Elisa Lloyd, if you 458 00:24:08,420 --> 00:24:11,020 S1: are just joining us, the book is called strong to 459 00:24:11,060 --> 00:24:14,379 S1: the End The Simple Service and Sudden Sacrifice of the 460 00:24:14,380 --> 00:24:21,140 S1: Martyrs in Haiti. And this story quickly became national headlines 461 00:24:21,140 --> 00:24:26,379 S1: and American missionary couple and this dear Haitian man. And 462 00:24:26,859 --> 00:24:31,010 S1: they had been in this country devoted to serving the people. 463 00:24:31,010 --> 00:24:34,090 S1: And it's the place where David and Alicia had been 464 00:24:34,210 --> 00:24:39,970 S1: for decades, devoting their lives. And now this. And so, 465 00:24:39,970 --> 00:24:44,609 S1: so many questions, so many questions as they're processing this 466 00:24:44,609 --> 00:24:48,810 S1: news and then gathering to try to get to Natalie's parents, 467 00:24:48,810 --> 00:24:51,850 S1: who also have to be notified. So we're going to 468 00:24:51,850 --> 00:24:54,330 S1: get to the rest of this story and how you 469 00:24:54,730 --> 00:24:58,810 S1: make sense of the absolute senseless. And there are aspects 470 00:24:58,810 --> 00:25:02,490 S1: of this story in the book that are not suitable 471 00:25:02,490 --> 00:25:07,170 S1: for air, but the details, the horrific nature, the senselessness, 472 00:25:07,170 --> 00:25:11,730 S1: the brutality. And yet God in his goodness and his 473 00:25:11,730 --> 00:25:15,250 S1: sovereignty allowed this. And so what do you do? How 474 00:25:15,250 --> 00:25:19,690 S1: do you wrestle with these hard questions of faith? I'm 475 00:25:19,690 --> 00:25:22,970 S1: going to ask David and Alisa Moore in their own words. 476 00:25:22,970 --> 00:25:26,090 S1: I want to point you to the website, Chris Fabry live.org. 477 00:25:26,190 --> 00:25:29,230 S1: Chris Fabry live.org. If you want more on this resource, 478 00:25:30,109 --> 00:25:33,870 S1: I finished it in 24 hours and I can't remember 479 00:25:33,869 --> 00:25:36,030 S1: the last time I've been this impacted by a book. 480 00:25:36,030 --> 00:25:40,109 S1: Highly recommend it. Go to Chris Fabry live.org, a must read. 481 00:25:40,270 --> 00:25:43,430 S1: Strong to the end. The simple service and sudden sacrifice 482 00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:46,630 S1: of the martyrs in Haiti. We will have more from 483 00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:49,629 S1: David and Elisa coming up here on Chris Fabry live. 484 00:26:05,950 --> 00:26:09,310 S1: David and Elisa Lloyd with us today of this book 485 00:26:09,310 --> 00:26:12,950 S1: that they've written, strong to the end about their son, Davy, 486 00:26:13,390 --> 00:26:18,150 S1: his wife Natalie, and their friend Jude. Todd Nettleton from 487 00:26:18,150 --> 00:26:21,550 S1: voice of the martyrs, says stories like this one of 488 00:26:21,550 --> 00:26:24,270 S1: brothers and sisters willing to pay any price to advance 489 00:26:24,270 --> 00:26:28,260 S1: the gospel should inspire every follower of Christ. Please don't 490 00:26:28,260 --> 00:26:31,139 S1: be fooled into thinking Davey and Natalie had their lives 491 00:26:31,140 --> 00:26:35,300 S1: taken from them. Be inspired instead by their clear eyed willingness, 492 00:26:35,300 --> 00:26:37,899 S1: even at a young age, to give their lives away 493 00:26:37,900 --> 00:26:40,619 S1: in service to King Jesus. May God use the faithfulness 494 00:26:40,619 --> 00:26:43,980 S1: of Davey, Natalie, and Jude to inspire many to go 495 00:26:43,980 --> 00:26:47,980 S1: and do likewise. Elisa, I want to go to you. 496 00:26:48,020 --> 00:26:52,980 S1: There are. There's no. Nothing can prepare you as a mom. 497 00:26:53,220 --> 00:26:56,460 S1: And you'd been through some challenging things in your many years, 498 00:26:56,500 --> 00:27:00,179 S1: as in missions work in Haiti. But nothing could have 499 00:27:00,180 --> 00:27:03,580 S1: prepared you for this kind of a phone call. Uh, 500 00:27:03,940 --> 00:27:07,060 S1: tell me what you were, what you were thinking. As 501 00:27:07,060 --> 00:27:09,820 S1: you're as you're trying to make sense of, of all 502 00:27:09,820 --> 00:27:11,620 S1: of this and from so far away. 503 00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:17,060 S3: Well, I, I had a sense of dread all evening long. 504 00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:19,900 S3: You know, a lot of people had gathered at the 505 00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:22,419 S3: house and several people are like, it's going to be okay. 506 00:27:22,460 --> 00:27:24,840 S3: It's going to be okay. And I don't know, I 507 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,000 S3: just felt like, you know, I just felt so heavy 508 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,880 S3: that I just didn't know what the outcome was going 509 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,600 S3: to be. And after our initial conversation with Davey, knowing 510 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,439 S3: that he had been hit in the head so many times, 511 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,240 S3: I was very concerned about, you know, head trauma and 512 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,280 S3: if he was going to be able to make it or, 513 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,119 S3: you know, if he was, it was going to get 514 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,480 S3: worse as the evening went on. So I was very 515 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,800 S3: concerned about that. And the the only thing I can 516 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,640 S3: say in this whole deal is we had been through 517 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,800 S3: so many things with the kids before. You know, if 518 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,000 S3: you when you read the book, you know, Davey was 519 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,560 S3: kidnapped when he was five. Um, he was went through 520 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,280 S3: the earthquake when he was ten years old and just 521 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,840 S3: many other things that we'd been through. And the, the 522 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,800 S3: only thing I can say is that I guess because 523 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,640 S3: of the, you know, scary situations that we had been through, 524 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,240 S3: I had told my kids that, you know, if something 525 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,320 S3: was to happen to you, please live in a way 526 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,080 S3: that I would know where you're going to spend eternity 527 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,790 S3: so that I wouldn't have to live the rest of 528 00:28:23,790 --> 00:28:26,270 S3: my life wondering, you know. Were they ready to go? 529 00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:29,990 S3: Were they ready to meet Jesus? And so, you know, 530 00:28:30,030 --> 00:28:32,310 S3: I do have that comfort that I know where Dave 531 00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:36,350 S3: is right now. But it's still it's just absolutely devastating 532 00:28:36,390 --> 00:28:39,510 S3: to our family to have to deal with this loss. Yeah. 533 00:28:39,550 --> 00:28:42,990 S3: And to our mission family and our Haitian family to 534 00:28:43,030 --> 00:28:45,350 S3: deal with the loss of Jude and, you know, for 535 00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:49,630 S3: Natalie's family also. So it's just been it's been absolutely 536 00:28:49,630 --> 00:28:53,550 S3: unspeakable the grief and pain that we felt. But God 537 00:28:53,550 --> 00:28:55,630 S3: has been faithful to help us through it. 538 00:28:57,110 --> 00:29:00,630 S1: How has God helped you? I mean, anyone who has 539 00:29:01,030 --> 00:29:05,070 S1: experienced any kind of loss, it's hard to put into 540 00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:07,390 S1: words the help that the Lord gives you, the way 541 00:29:07,390 --> 00:29:09,870 S1: he helps you to just even put one foot in 542 00:29:09,870 --> 00:29:13,790 S1: front of the other a moment by moment. But David, 543 00:29:13,790 --> 00:29:16,430 S1: what are some ways that you've seen God help you 544 00:29:16,430 --> 00:29:18,510 S1: just in these is it's I mean, this has only 545 00:29:18,510 --> 00:29:19,470 S1: been two years. 546 00:29:21,330 --> 00:29:27,130 S2: Oh, well, um, initially the question that I had Elisa also, uh, 547 00:29:27,130 --> 00:29:30,570 S2: after the night and their deaths was. God, where were you? Uh, 548 00:29:30,610 --> 00:29:32,770 S2: why didn't you show up? Because we had prayed and 549 00:29:32,770 --> 00:29:35,690 S2: prayed and had people praying all across the United States. And, 550 00:29:36,330 --> 00:29:39,010 S2: you know, the bad things have happened before. We get 551 00:29:39,010 --> 00:29:41,370 S2: people praying. And God showed up and answered the prayer 552 00:29:41,410 --> 00:29:45,210 S2: like we prayed in this time he did. And so, um, God, 553 00:29:45,210 --> 00:29:48,010 S2: where were you? And so we didn't get that answered 554 00:29:48,010 --> 00:29:51,729 S2: until a few weeks later. Natalie's dad and uncle and 555 00:29:51,730 --> 00:29:55,250 S2: myself and my daughter Hannah, we went back to Haiti. Uh, 556 00:29:55,250 --> 00:29:58,490 S2: the children had been relocated into port au Prince, away 557 00:29:58,490 --> 00:30:02,490 S2: from the gang that had attacked our compound. And so 558 00:30:02,490 --> 00:30:05,010 S2: we got there and got to, to see the kids 559 00:30:05,010 --> 00:30:07,410 S2: and just reassure them and the staff that we had 560 00:30:07,410 --> 00:30:10,410 S2: not abandoned Haiti and got to start to hearing their 561 00:30:10,410 --> 00:30:14,170 S2: stories of what took place that night. And, and a 562 00:30:14,170 --> 00:30:17,450 S2: couple of them was telling us that every time that 563 00:30:17,490 --> 00:30:20,840 S2: the shooting would stop, they could hear Davey quoting scriptures 564 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,760 S2: and preaching to the gang members. And there's been some 565 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,000 S2: estimates there was probably a hundred gang members in our 566 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,320 S2: yard that night. And they said as the shooting would stop, 567 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,080 S2: you'd hear the scripture start in the in the need 568 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,200 S2: of these guys that they needed to repent and turn 569 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,880 S2: their life to Christ and how much Christ could do 570 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,160 S2: for them. And. And they said his voice would just 571 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,480 S2: echo across the yard. Um, so based on my conversation 572 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,960 S2: that I had had with Davey, knowing the head trauma, 573 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,480 S2: knowing how he was getting tired, um, how could somebody 574 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,080 S2: stand do that for hours, you know, continually after being 575 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:58,400 S2: shot at and abused and beat and, and because the 576 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,840 S2: first gang had roughed him up and during that time 577 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,920 S2: he would preach and was telling Scripture and quoting scriptures 578 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,520 S2: and telling them the need for repentance and for Christ. And, 579 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,680 S2: and one of the young men that worked for us, 580 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,960 S2: he said, I told him, he said, Davey, shut up. 581 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,040 S2: And he. He said, just lay there and be quiet. 582 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,720 S2: So they'll quit hitting you. And he says, Jonas, I can't. 583 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,740 S2: He said, This might be the only chance they have 584 00:31:19,740 --> 00:31:22,300 S2: to hear the gospel, and he would just continue. So 585 00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:25,500 S2: hearing all those stories, I realized, I came to realize 586 00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:28,060 S2: that God did show up. He didn't show up the 587 00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:30,500 S2: way I wanted him to, and that was to intervene 588 00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:34,860 S2: and send 10,000 angels to push back those Hunter gang 589 00:31:34,860 --> 00:31:36,780 S2: members and put them in their place. But he gave 590 00:31:36,780 --> 00:31:39,380 S2: Davey supernatural strength to be able to stand there at 591 00:31:39,420 --> 00:31:42,700 S2: the shot out windows in the house that they had been, 592 00:31:43,020 --> 00:31:45,460 S2: that they had been held up in, and continue to 593 00:31:45,460 --> 00:31:48,820 S2: preach the gospel until the end. Uh, that was one 594 00:31:48,820 --> 00:31:51,940 S2: of the, the, the most reassuring things that's probably happened 595 00:31:51,940 --> 00:31:55,500 S2: in the beginning was God did show up and he 596 00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:58,420 S2: did answer our prayer, just not the way we wanted 597 00:31:58,420 --> 00:32:00,860 S2: him to. And that's given us a lot of comfort 598 00:32:00,860 --> 00:32:04,780 S2: over the years. And then as grief continues for throughout 599 00:32:04,780 --> 00:32:08,180 S2: this past two years, you know, you go through different cycles. 600 00:32:08,380 --> 00:32:11,140 S2: I've learned a lot about grief, and I understand now 601 00:32:11,140 --> 00:32:15,260 S2: that everybody grieves differently. Everybody goes through different things. Uh, well, 602 00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:17,760 S2: for Lisa and I, we're trying to stay busy. That's 603 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,520 S2: helped us a lot these past years with the two years, 604 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,560 S2: with writing the book and getting this out there. So 605 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,280 S2: their memories can continue on. Their memory can continue on. 606 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,760 S2: That has helped us. But one night I was one 607 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,960 S2: day I was coming back from Tulsa. It's about a 608 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,320 S2: 30 minute drive to our house here in Claremore. And 609 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,560 S2: I was just having one of those bad days. And, and, 610 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,360 S2: and it's a, it's a four lane road I was 611 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,240 S2: on and it's a little two lane road that you 612 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,000 S2: turn on and to get to our house. And I 613 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,840 S2: was crying coming down the four lane road and saying, God, 614 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,120 S2: you know, why, why do you want us to suffer 615 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,600 S2: this much? And why would you, you know, put us 616 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,680 S2: through this and trying to give him all the, you know, 617 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,080 S2: look what we have done type thing we do sometimes, 618 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,080 S2: you know, we start giving God. Well, look at you know, 619 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,240 S2: he's able to go to Haiti. We've answered the call. 620 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,120 S2: And now we're suffering through this loss. And I turn 621 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,160 S2: off the four lane onto the little two lane curvy road. 622 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,560 S2: And the first corner that I crossed, there was a handmade, 623 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,470 S2: big neon bright yellow poster board Sign that somebody put 624 00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:20,510 S2: by their driveway and it just said, God knows. And 625 00:33:20,550 --> 00:33:24,550 S2: it's like, okay, God knows. And I believe that God 626 00:33:24,590 --> 00:33:26,790 S2: had them people. I don't even know if they he did. He, 627 00:33:26,830 --> 00:33:28,430 S2: God put it there or had the people in the 628 00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:30,190 S2: house go out there and put that sign out there 629 00:33:30,190 --> 00:33:33,790 S2: just for me. Um, here outside on the halfway between 630 00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:37,070 S2: Tulsa and Claremore to help me get through that moment 631 00:33:37,070 --> 00:33:39,830 S2: of grief that I was experiencing at that time. But 632 00:33:39,870 --> 00:33:42,910 S2: it's just been little things like that, that God has 633 00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:46,030 S2: been real to us in the last two years. Um, 634 00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:49,870 S2: as we go through the cycle of grief, uh, and 635 00:33:49,870 --> 00:33:50,590 S2: deal with it. 636 00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:54,910 S1: You know, for, for Natalie's family, I mean, it was, 637 00:33:55,670 --> 00:34:00,750 S1: it was powerful to read how much they still support 638 00:34:00,750 --> 00:34:04,350 S1: your love and mission that you feel still called to Haiti, 639 00:34:04,350 --> 00:34:08,950 S1: that they even in their grief, there was no sense that, 640 00:34:08,989 --> 00:34:11,670 S1: you know, I'm sure you processed some of that emotion 641 00:34:11,670 --> 00:34:14,770 S1: of this was the place where, you know, Davey fell 642 00:34:14,770 --> 00:34:16,610 S1: in love with. And then she fell in love with. 643 00:34:16,650 --> 00:34:19,689 S1: Maybe in part because of him. But there was none 644 00:34:19,690 --> 00:34:22,850 S1: of that. Uh, they they you grieved together and you 645 00:34:22,890 --> 00:34:25,330 S1: continue to grieve together. Talk a little bit about about 646 00:34:25,330 --> 00:34:26,130 S1: her family. 647 00:34:27,370 --> 00:34:30,850 S2: They're amazing people. I mean, they've he's her dad has 648 00:34:30,890 --> 00:34:33,489 S2: actually done several mission trips. They did several trips to 649 00:34:33,530 --> 00:34:36,810 S2: India different places and just has a heart for missions and, 650 00:34:37,090 --> 00:34:41,650 S2: and to reach the lost. And they instilled that in Natalie. 651 00:34:41,650 --> 00:34:44,609 S2: And then just they saw Natalie's love as she would 652 00:34:44,610 --> 00:34:48,210 S2: come back from, you know, Haiti at Christmas or that 653 00:34:48,210 --> 00:34:50,610 S2: first summer that they came back for a couple of weeks, 654 00:34:50,770 --> 00:34:53,170 S2: just they saw how much she loved Haiti. And they 655 00:34:53,170 --> 00:34:56,330 S2: would do video chats and see her smiling and happy 656 00:34:56,330 --> 00:34:59,650 S2: with the kids and telling them stories about the kids. 657 00:34:59,650 --> 00:35:01,730 S2: And they just realized that was such a part of 658 00:35:01,730 --> 00:35:05,050 S2: her life. And Davey, they knew Davey, you know, from 659 00:35:05,050 --> 00:35:07,410 S2: the time he was young and watched him grow up 660 00:35:07,410 --> 00:35:10,410 S2: and knew that was his life. So just knowing that 661 00:35:10,410 --> 00:35:13,160 S2: that was both of their lives at that moment, They 662 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,600 S2: wanted the missions in Haiti to continue. They want help 663 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,920 S2: to continue to to get to Haiti because of the 664 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,640 S2: love that they saw Davy and Natalie had for that country. 665 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,960 S2: They want to keep their memory alive through that. 666 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,880 S1: David and Elisa Lloyd with us today, strong to the 667 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,400 S1: end is our featured resource. You know, I'm sure many 668 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,200 S1: would look and say you've given so much. You've given 669 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,279 S1: too much. How could you possibly ever go back to 670 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,520 S1: a place that cost you your child, your daughter in law, 671 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,239 S1: your dear friend? What is the Lloyd's? What is their 672 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,520 S1: heart for Haiti today? Coming up. 673 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,080 S4: Chris Fabry Live is a place where time slows down 674 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,080 S4: a little bit. And life lessons are things we do together. 675 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,319 S4: We invite you into this journey, and we'd like for 676 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,600 S4: you to become a back fence partner. If you can 677 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,020 S4: give a monthly gift, you'll receive exclusive offers, a personal 678 00:36:12,020 --> 00:36:14,819 S4: message from yours truly. Become a back fence partner by 679 00:36:14,820 --> 00:36:20,060 S4: calling 86695 Fabbri or give online at Chris fabbri.org. 680 00:36:24,580 --> 00:36:28,580 S1: What does it mean to count the cost of following Jesus? 681 00:36:28,820 --> 00:36:32,220 S1: Maybe before you even know fully what it will cost you. 682 00:36:32,860 --> 00:36:35,739 S1: David and Alissa Lloyd have been our guest. They're the 683 00:36:35,739 --> 00:36:38,419 S1: author of strong to the End. The Simple Service and 684 00:36:38,420 --> 00:36:41,779 S1: Sudden Sacrifice of the Martyrs in Haiti tells the story 685 00:36:41,780 --> 00:36:45,500 S1: of their son David, his wife Natalie, and their friend Jude, 686 00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:48,860 S1: who were martyred in Haiti a couple of years ago 687 00:36:49,020 --> 00:36:53,260 S1: in a violent attack. Gangs took over the compound. And, 688 00:36:53,580 --> 00:36:56,220 S1: you know, you've heard in their own words how they've 689 00:36:56,219 --> 00:37:01,980 S1: processed in these two years since. I'm sure many people, 690 00:37:02,180 --> 00:37:06,180 S1: and probably even before the deaths of of David and 691 00:37:06,180 --> 00:37:10,410 S1: Natalie probably said, why, why be in such a place 692 00:37:10,410 --> 00:37:13,330 S1: where there's so much danger. Once there was the threat 693 00:37:13,370 --> 00:37:16,290 S1: of gangs. After there was a kidnapping, when the children 694 00:37:16,290 --> 00:37:20,090 S1: were little, little. I'm sure people urged you to maybe 695 00:37:20,130 --> 00:37:24,930 S1: find some other safer mission or calling. Why? Why did 696 00:37:24,930 --> 00:37:26,850 S1: you not listen? 697 00:37:28,969 --> 00:37:31,689 S2: It's a good question. I've asked myself that a few 698 00:37:31,690 --> 00:37:35,250 S2: times in the last two years, but, uh, just have 699 00:37:35,250 --> 00:37:37,810 S2: to go back to I was I would go back 700 00:37:37,810 --> 00:37:41,890 S2: and reassure myself that this is really where God wanted us. Um, 701 00:37:41,890 --> 00:37:44,930 S2: you know, we'd pray. And even through the last two years, 702 00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:48,489 S2: as the gangs moved closer and closer to our area and, 703 00:37:48,530 --> 00:37:51,969 S2: you know, people would was given advice or counsel concerning that. 704 00:37:51,969 --> 00:37:53,770 S2: And I would pray and God would give me a 705 00:37:53,770 --> 00:37:56,969 S2: scripture or give me an answer and just reassure my 706 00:37:56,969 --> 00:38:00,610 S2: heart that I was in the center of his will. And, and, um, 707 00:38:00,650 --> 00:38:04,530 S2: we just would continue on from that point. Yeah. 708 00:38:05,489 --> 00:38:10,910 S1: Elisa, what about now? Your your heart for Haiti. going 709 00:38:10,910 --> 00:38:15,230 S1: back there. That's still you. You have what? Family there. 710 00:38:15,469 --> 00:38:18,669 S1: So much of your life has been spent there. Do 711 00:38:18,670 --> 00:38:23,990 S1: you carry any sort of bitterness toward the the people 712 00:38:23,989 --> 00:38:25,110 S1: or toward the country? 713 00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:30,310 S3: Sometimes it's hard for me, and it's I really I 714 00:38:30,350 --> 00:38:33,069 S3: want to go back and see everybody each time I 715 00:38:33,070 --> 00:38:35,510 S3: do go back. But then I kind of get stressed 716 00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:38,189 S3: out before I get there because I just have so 717 00:38:38,190 --> 00:38:42,430 S3: much anxiety about what happened and you know, how bad 718 00:38:42,430 --> 00:38:44,590 S3: things are. Even though we we've moved, you know, to 719 00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:47,469 S3: a completely different location. So it's honestly like we've never 720 00:38:47,469 --> 00:38:50,509 S3: been home since this happened because we had to move 721 00:38:50,510 --> 00:38:54,750 S3: everybody up north. But I miss everybody so much. And 722 00:38:54,750 --> 00:38:57,670 S3: then it's just always after I get there, I feel, 723 00:38:57,710 --> 00:39:02,070 S3: you know, better about seeing everybody. And they, you know, honestly, 724 00:39:02,070 --> 00:39:04,390 S3: they've helped me through my grief. And I know that, 725 00:39:04,430 --> 00:39:06,109 S3: you know, we've just been able to lean on each 726 00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:08,810 S3: other and help each other through this time of grief 727 00:39:09,010 --> 00:39:11,650 S3: because they're grieving too, you know? They love to avian 728 00:39:11,650 --> 00:39:14,690 S3: Natalie and Jude. And like we say, you know, Jude's 729 00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:17,010 S3: wife is our friend and his kids are all just 730 00:39:17,010 --> 00:39:20,210 S3: so precious to us. And so it's always great to 731 00:39:20,250 --> 00:39:23,090 S3: be able to spend time with them, even though sometimes 732 00:39:23,090 --> 00:39:27,009 S3: I do still struggle with how exactly I feel about Haiti. 733 00:39:27,170 --> 00:39:29,570 S3: I do know that, you know, I do love them. 734 00:39:30,770 --> 00:39:36,690 S1: David, how how would you say parents should raise their 735 00:39:36,690 --> 00:39:40,049 S1: children with. How do you instill the kind of faith 736 00:39:40,690 --> 00:39:45,690 S1: that teaches that eternity is so worth living, even in 737 00:39:45,690 --> 00:39:48,890 S1: the face of great risk? I mean, that's a hard thing. 738 00:39:48,930 --> 00:39:51,210 S1: I mean, I don't know that there's like flannel graphs 739 00:39:51,210 --> 00:39:54,050 S1: for that when you when you teach kids in Sunday school. 740 00:39:54,090 --> 00:39:56,969 S1: I mean, when you really take the Bible at its 741 00:39:57,010 --> 00:39:59,850 S1: word that we take up our cross and we follow Jesus. 742 00:40:00,370 --> 00:40:04,330 S1: It doesn't say we follow him into safety necessarily, even 743 00:40:04,330 --> 00:40:06,799 S1: though that's kind of what we would prefer. What do 744 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:07,200 S1: you say? 745 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,799 S2: I don't really know. I've been asked that. They said, 746 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,239 S2: how did you raise three kids that are so focused 747 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,799 S2: for eternity? And Davie especially. I know his first year 748 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,839 S2: in Bible college. We had several people come up to 749 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,040 S2: us and be like, your your son. He's just an 750 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,680 S2: amazing young man. He goes, he's got such a maturity, 751 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,680 S2: spiritual maturity. And you guys did such a great job 752 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,960 S2: raising him. And I know one time Davie was standing 753 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,680 S2: there with us, and probably about the fifth or sixth 754 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,560 S2: person had come up to us to compliment us on him. 755 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,880 S2: And then Davie, after they walked away, he goes, don't 756 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,880 S2: I get any of the credit? He goes, I'm the 757 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,840 S2: one that actually is the one that's acting like this. 758 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,239 S2: I said, yes, I said, we'll just give credit to 759 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,920 S2: God and you and you, uh, you're, you know, I'd 760 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,680 S2: say just growing up outside the US, seeing there's so 761 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,760 S2: much more to the world than, than cell phones, coffee 762 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,160 S2: shops and Amazon and delivery, you know, that we're so 763 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,319 S2: blessed with here. Um, I know over the years we've 764 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,380 S2: had several mission teams come and young people would come 765 00:41:06,380 --> 00:41:10,259 S2: and it affected, affected so many lives, sometimes not in 766 00:41:10,260 --> 00:41:12,420 S2: a positive way. And they would come back, you know, 767 00:41:12,460 --> 00:41:14,380 S2: and be like, oh, but a lot, most of the 768 00:41:14,380 --> 00:41:17,300 S2: time it was a positive way where it really opened 769 00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:20,580 S2: up people's eyes to see that there's a world out 770 00:41:20,580 --> 00:41:23,180 S2: there that needs Christ, that needs somebody to love them 771 00:41:23,180 --> 00:41:24,940 S2: and care for them, and to show them what Jesus 772 00:41:24,940 --> 00:41:27,700 S2: did for them. And I think with just us living 773 00:41:27,700 --> 00:41:32,060 S2: there and let Alisa and myself our lives demonstrate that 774 00:41:32,060 --> 00:41:35,940 S2: on a daily basis, our kids grew up in that. Yeah. Um, 775 00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:39,780 S2: I think that's what's made an impact on them. Um, 776 00:41:39,780 --> 00:41:44,100 S2: and then just, yeah, they need to have some credit 777 00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:48,540 S2: for it also because they are, they're so kingdom centered. Yeah. Um, 778 00:41:48,540 --> 00:41:52,020 S2: you know, I know Davey, the Bible college, one of 779 00:41:52,020 --> 00:41:54,420 S2: his favorite quotes that the pastor would always say, you 780 00:41:54,420 --> 00:41:57,020 S2: only have one life to live. Don't waste it on yourself. 781 00:41:57,260 --> 00:41:59,020 S2: And that I know that's the Lisa and I has 782 00:41:59,020 --> 00:42:02,100 S2: been kind of our philosophy over the years. We're not 783 00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:04,170 S2: going to waste our life on herself because there's so 784 00:42:04,170 --> 00:42:06,450 S2: much to do for Christ, and life is so short 785 00:42:06,450 --> 00:42:09,609 S2: here on this earth, but eternity. It's going to be 786 00:42:09,610 --> 00:42:10,570 S2: a long time. 787 00:42:10,610 --> 00:42:14,890 S1: Yeah. Where do things stand with the mission that you've started? 788 00:42:14,890 --> 00:42:16,170 S1: Where do things stand now? 789 00:42:17,530 --> 00:42:20,530 S2: So the staff, some of the main staff and children 790 00:42:20,530 --> 00:42:23,370 S2: have been relocated to the north. We fly in every 791 00:42:23,370 --> 00:42:26,250 S2: few weeks to meet with them and visit with them, 792 00:42:26,250 --> 00:42:29,009 S2: take them supplies. We're actually going in two weeks at 793 00:42:29,010 --> 00:42:31,569 S2: least to myself and Sam, looking forward to the week 794 00:42:31,570 --> 00:42:34,650 S2: that we get to be there. Um, the mission compound 795 00:42:34,650 --> 00:42:38,330 S2: that mission in Haiti has built and the, the school 796 00:42:38,330 --> 00:42:41,969 S2: is still being used by locals. Um, nothing else is 797 00:42:41,969 --> 00:42:45,489 S2: being used currently because the gang situation is terrible in 798 00:42:45,489 --> 00:42:47,410 S2: the area, but some of the locals, they had nowhere 799 00:42:47,410 --> 00:42:50,530 S2: to flee. Some of our teaching, our teachers, our staff 800 00:42:50,570 --> 00:42:52,970 S2: and different ones we've had that live in the area. 801 00:42:53,010 --> 00:42:54,930 S2: That's they just have nowhere to go. So they have 802 00:42:54,930 --> 00:42:57,970 S2: to live with the gangs. So they still use the 803 00:42:58,010 --> 00:43:01,010 S2: school there. But everything else for the moment is shut down. 804 00:43:01,010 --> 00:43:06,870 S2: We're believing for an intervention, international intervention. They're moving forward 805 00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:09,710 S2: with that. It's a slow process that can deal with 806 00:43:09,710 --> 00:43:12,150 S2: these gangs and at least make it manageable for the 807 00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:14,670 S2: Haitian police to be able to deal with them. Um, 808 00:43:14,670 --> 00:43:17,510 S2: and then that someday we'll be able to relocate back 809 00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:20,870 S2: to the mission compound and reopen the church and bakery 810 00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:24,430 S2: and home and whatever those the Lord have for us 811 00:43:24,430 --> 00:43:26,950 S2: to do in that area. People say, what about you 812 00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:28,989 S2: and Elisa? You think you're going to move back? I 813 00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:32,390 S2: cannot answer that. We cannot answer that today. Um, you know, 814 00:43:32,430 --> 00:43:34,350 S2: when we go, we go for a short time still. 815 00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:37,469 S2: And I kind of what Elisa was alluding to there 816 00:43:37,469 --> 00:43:40,750 S2: after 3 or 4 days, we're emotionally spent. Um, just 817 00:43:40,750 --> 00:43:43,310 S2: because so much has changed. So it's, it's going to 818 00:43:43,310 --> 00:43:46,029 S2: take some time before we will ever be able to 819 00:43:46,070 --> 00:43:48,029 S2: know if we can do that or not. But we 820 00:43:48,030 --> 00:43:50,830 S2: have staff that we raise children, young people now that 821 00:43:50,830 --> 00:43:54,310 S2: are adults. Um, three of them had come and went 822 00:43:54,310 --> 00:43:56,350 S2: to Bible college here in the States and they're back 823 00:43:56,350 --> 00:43:59,149 S2: running things for us and, and doing a really great 824 00:43:59,150 --> 00:44:01,380 S2: job and we just appreciate them so much. 825 00:44:01,620 --> 00:44:04,620 S1: Yeah. Elisa, I want to give you the final word. 826 00:44:05,180 --> 00:44:09,060 S1: As you so bravely, both of you taken the time 827 00:44:09,060 --> 00:44:12,620 S1: to share your story. The heartbreak, but also the hope 828 00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:16,259 S1: as you've clung to Christ through this. Um, what would 829 00:44:16,260 --> 00:44:18,780 S1: you what would you want to say to leave people 830 00:44:18,780 --> 00:44:21,740 S1: with who've, who've listened and heard your story and probably 831 00:44:21,739 --> 00:44:23,060 S1: are wiping away some tears? 832 00:44:24,980 --> 00:44:28,460 S3: Well, I just, I love the quote that my son 833 00:44:28,460 --> 00:44:31,300 S3: said that I want to live my life intentionally in 834 00:44:31,300 --> 00:44:34,420 S3: light of eternity. And he's become my hero of the 835 00:44:34,420 --> 00:44:38,260 S3: faith now. And I just I'm looking forward to seeing 836 00:44:38,260 --> 00:44:41,420 S3: him again. And sometimes when I go out to the cemetery, 837 00:44:41,420 --> 00:44:43,259 S3: when I leave, I always tell him I was like, 838 00:44:43,260 --> 00:44:45,779 S3: I am going to see you again someday. And that 839 00:44:45,780 --> 00:44:46,660 S3: is my hope. 840 00:44:47,980 --> 00:44:52,379 S1: I want to thank you both. This is not an 841 00:44:52,380 --> 00:44:55,140 S1: easy thing to do to. You've written a book about it? Yes, 842 00:44:55,140 --> 00:44:57,980 S1: but to have to go back and revisit those moments. 843 00:44:57,980 --> 00:45:00,200 S1: But I appreciate the way that you've brought us in 844 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,879 S1: to help us get to know Davey and Natalie and 845 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,760 S1: Jude and beyond. Just the headline from two years ago. 846 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,120 S1: You've given us their heart and their compassion, their commitment 847 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,400 S1: to the Lord. I want to thank you both for 848 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,640 S1: spending this hour with us. It's truly been a privilege. 849 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,000 S2: We thank you for the opportunity. Appreciate it. 850 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,000 S1: The book is called strong to the End The Simple 851 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,080 S1: Service and Sudden Sacrifice of the Martyrs in Haiti. Go 852 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,160 S1: to Chris Fabry live.org. Chris Fabbri live.org. And we will 853 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,680 S1: link you up to it. You know, the verse that 854 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,520 S1: they quoted in the book and it was quoted to 855 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,839 S1: them several times. You know, you look at Hebrews 11, 856 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,120 S1: you read that great, the Hall of Faith. And so 857 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:46,640 S1: many names are listed. Hebrews 1137 and 38 says, they 858 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,840 S1: were stoned, they were sown asunder, were tempted, were slain 859 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,560 S1: with the sword. They wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins, 860 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,839 S1: being destitute, afflicted, tormented. And then in parentheses, it says 861 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,990 S1: just these couple of words of whom the world was 862 00:46:00,989 --> 00:46:04,910 S1: not worthy, which of course is an accurate description of 863 00:46:05,310 --> 00:46:08,030 S1: the three lives that were taken that day that they 864 00:46:08,070 --> 00:46:12,110 S1: gave up in service unto the Lord. Certainly, the world 865 00:46:12,110 --> 00:46:18,110 S1: was not worthy of Jude, of Natalie, of David Strong 866 00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:21,270 S1: to the end. The simple service and sudden sacrifice of 867 00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:25,870 S1: the martyrs in Haiti. Go to Chris Fabry live.org. Chris 868 00:46:25,870 --> 00:46:28,830 S1: Fabry Live is a production of Moody Radio, a Ministry 869 00:46:28,830 --> 00:46:31,029 S1: of Moody Bible Institute. I want to thank you for 870 00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:32,630 S1: spending this afternoon with us.