1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,480 S1: Hi friends. Thanks so much for downloading this podcast, and 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,000 S1: I hope truly that you will hear something that will encourage, edify, equip, 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,360 S1: and enlighten you to get out there and influence and 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,040 S1: occupy until he comes. And on that note, may I 5 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,080 S1: take just a few moments here to describe this month's 6 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,920 S1: truth tool? It's by pastor Jack Hibbs. He's written the 7 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,040 S1: book called Called to Take a Bold Stand. I absolutely 8 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,520 S1: love this book because it reminds us that in Christ 9 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,480 S1: all things pass away. 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Now please enjoy the broadcast. 40 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:41,880 S2: Here are some of the news headlines we're watching. 41 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,400 S3: The conference was over. The president won a pledge. 42 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,640 S4: Americans worshiping government over God. 43 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,360 S5: Extremely rare safety move by a 17 years. 44 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,240 S4: The Palestinians and Israelis negotiated a. 45 00:01:55,360 --> 00:02:08,970 S5: Truce. Hi friends. 46 00:02:08,970 --> 00:02:11,330 S1: Welcome to In the Market with Janet Partial. Thank you 47 00:02:11,330 --> 00:02:14,210 S1: so much for spending the hour with us. Okay, time 48 00:02:14,210 --> 00:02:17,130 S1: to take out that spiritual thinking cap because we are 49 00:02:17,130 --> 00:02:20,330 S1: going to think critically and biblically this hour, not necessarily 50 00:02:20,330 --> 00:02:23,290 S1: in that order, but the two are not mutually exclusive. 51 00:02:23,290 --> 00:02:26,049 S1: We're going to take a look again at this issue 52 00:02:26,050 --> 00:02:29,410 S1: of anti-Semitism. I still stand I got to get past 53 00:02:29,410 --> 00:02:31,889 S1: the shock and awe. One would have thought that when 54 00:02:31,889 --> 00:02:36,810 S1: you watch the annihilation of over 6 million Jews during 55 00:02:36,810 --> 00:02:39,770 S1: World War Two, that this that the vanguard cry of 56 00:02:39,770 --> 00:02:43,530 S1: never again would be self-evident and it would never be again, 57 00:02:43,530 --> 00:02:47,329 S1: that we would see this kind of unmitigated demonic hatred. 58 00:02:47,330 --> 00:02:50,049 S1: And that's exactly what it is. And yet, post, it 59 00:02:50,050 --> 00:02:52,010 S1: seems to me, October 7th. If you could put a 60 00:02:52,010 --> 00:02:55,810 S1: pin in a timeline map, something happened October 7th, 2023, 61 00:02:55,850 --> 00:02:59,250 S1: aside from it being Israel's equivalent of nine over 11, 62 00:02:59,290 --> 00:03:02,370 S1: it seems to have opened the floodgates of hell. And 63 00:03:02,410 --> 00:03:06,570 S1: anti-Semitism is almost at a zenith right now. It's worse 64 00:03:06,570 --> 00:03:08,690 S1: than I have ever seen it in my life. Sitting 65 00:03:08,690 --> 00:03:11,930 S1: in front of this microphone and I have to tell you, I'm. 66 00:03:11,970 --> 00:03:14,250 S1: I understand when the world does this, because the world 67 00:03:14,250 --> 00:03:16,330 S1: does what the world does without Jesus. The world never 68 00:03:16,330 --> 00:03:18,610 S1: surprises me. It's when I start seeing this creep into 69 00:03:18,610 --> 00:03:22,049 S1: the church that I'm particularly bothered by it because a. 70 00:03:22,090 --> 00:03:26,290 S1: It's bad Bible, it's bad theology. It's questions the character 71 00:03:26,290 --> 00:03:30,290 S1: of God. It's a patent understanding misunderstanding of the fact 72 00:03:30,290 --> 00:03:33,730 S1: that there are unconditional covenants of which God's relationship with 73 00:03:33,730 --> 00:03:37,410 S1: the chosen people is one. And then I worry about 74 00:03:37,410 --> 00:03:39,570 S1: the silence of the church. That's too far. And then 75 00:03:39,570 --> 00:03:42,370 S1: we make these strawman arguments and they are just that, well, 76 00:03:42,370 --> 00:03:45,410 S1: I'm not anti-Semitic. I'm just opposed to the state of Israel. Oh, 77 00:03:45,410 --> 00:03:47,410 S1: you mean the Jewish state? You're not opposed to the 78 00:03:47,410 --> 00:03:49,530 S1: Jewish people, just the Jewish state. Okay, how many angels 79 00:03:49,530 --> 00:03:51,610 S1: do dance on the head of a pin? So I 80 00:03:51,650 --> 00:03:55,220 S1: am so very grateful that I have this wonderful relationship 81 00:03:55,220 --> 00:03:57,940 S1: now with Olivier Melnik, and I'm so grateful that he 82 00:03:57,940 --> 00:04:00,340 S1: comes and talks to us on a regular basis because 83 00:04:00,620 --> 00:04:02,900 S1: we just we need more voices. We need good, solid 84 00:04:02,900 --> 00:04:05,940 S1: teachers on this area. Olivier got his undergrad at Moody 85 00:04:05,940 --> 00:04:07,820 S1: Bible Institute. Then he went on to get his master's 86 00:04:07,820 --> 00:04:10,619 S1: from Dallas Theological Seminary, and he's the founder and executive 87 00:04:10,620 --> 00:04:14,020 S1: director of Shalom and Messiah Ministries. He is the son 88 00:04:14,140 --> 00:04:16,900 S1: of Holocaust survivors. This is not a headline for him. 89 00:04:16,900 --> 00:04:19,740 S1: This is his family. He's from France. He is an 90 00:04:19,740 --> 00:04:22,260 S1: international speaker. He is an authority on the topic of 91 00:04:22,260 --> 00:04:26,340 S1: antisemitism and the author of multiple books. And so advocating 92 00:04:26,380 --> 00:04:31,420 S1: against antisemitism in any and all shapes, sizes and forms 93 00:04:31,700 --> 00:04:34,339 S1: is what Shalom and in Messiah Ministries is all about. 94 00:04:34,339 --> 00:04:37,700 S1: It's to help educate and mobilize Christians to fight the 95 00:04:37,700 --> 00:04:40,779 S1: hate while rebuilding bridges with the Jewish people. His latest 96 00:04:40,779 --> 00:04:44,060 S1: book is called anti-Semitism in the End Times How the 97 00:04:44,060 --> 00:04:46,780 S1: Rise of the World's Oldest Hatred is paving the way 98 00:04:46,980 --> 00:04:50,220 S1: for Messiah's Return. So you have this horrible dark headline, 99 00:04:50,420 --> 00:04:53,380 S1: and yet light breaks through. It's paving the way for 100 00:04:53,420 --> 00:04:57,820 S1: Messiah's return. Wow, that's pretty interesting. So, Shalom, my friend. 101 00:04:57,860 --> 00:04:59,900 S1: Pull up a chair. We got a lot to talk about. 102 00:04:59,940 --> 00:05:03,140 S1: My first question is, where were you when you woke 103 00:05:03,140 --> 00:05:05,340 S1: up on that Saturday morning and heard that we now 104 00:05:05,339 --> 00:05:08,740 S1: were involved in Operation Epic Fury? What was your reaction? 105 00:05:09,740 --> 00:05:15,220 S6: Uh, first of all, I love the name. Uh, I 106 00:05:15,260 --> 00:05:18,740 S6: gotta tell you. Um, and before I forget, thanks for 107 00:05:18,740 --> 00:05:20,740 S6: having me again on your show. I mean, we have 108 00:05:20,740 --> 00:05:22,299 S6: to stop meeting like this, Janet. 109 00:05:22,339 --> 00:05:25,900 S1: I mean, no, may it never be. No, no, no. 110 00:05:26,060 --> 00:05:30,020 S6: I mean, the opposite. Um, so I, I wasn't home, 111 00:05:30,020 --> 00:05:34,900 S6: I was at home. Uh, I was, uh, just, uh, 112 00:05:35,500 --> 00:05:37,940 S6: getting ready to do my devotions and then I started 113 00:05:37,940 --> 00:05:42,300 S6: to see what was going on. And, uh, I realized that, uh, 114 00:05:42,300 --> 00:05:46,060 S6: this was probably going to be, uh, a little more 115 00:05:46,060 --> 00:05:49,900 S6: involved than June 12th, June 15th, whatever it was the 116 00:05:49,900 --> 00:05:55,020 S6: 12 day war last year. And and indeed it is. And, uh, 117 00:05:55,020 --> 00:05:59,420 S6: I think they're making incredible progress, but, uh, even in, in, 118 00:05:59,420 --> 00:06:03,260 S6: in the process of what's happening right now, this, this war, uh, 119 00:06:03,339 --> 00:06:08,180 S6: against the enemy of Western civilization, uh, we see so much, uh. 120 00:06:10,339 --> 00:06:15,380 S6: Disagreement and people wanting to stop it. And, and in 121 00:06:15,380 --> 00:06:19,940 S6: this Israel pulled America into this war. Uh, no, this 122 00:06:19,940 --> 00:06:23,779 S6: this is a war for for the values of Western civilization. Yes, 123 00:06:23,779 --> 00:06:28,140 S6: they are Judeo-Christian values. And I prefer actually, I've started 124 00:06:28,140 --> 00:06:30,700 S6: to call them biblical values because when you put the 125 00:06:30,700 --> 00:06:34,339 S6: word Judeo-Christian, some people want to already stop right there 126 00:06:34,339 --> 00:06:36,380 S6: and say, well, let's talk about those words. So I 127 00:06:36,380 --> 00:06:41,180 S6: just say biblical values. I think it's easier to swallow. Uh, 128 00:06:41,380 --> 00:06:44,260 S6: when I talk to people, uh, it's the same thing, 129 00:06:44,260 --> 00:06:47,620 S6: but just a different name. Uh, this is a war for, uh, 130 00:06:47,620 --> 00:06:51,429 S6: you know, existential war. And I think it's going well. 131 00:06:51,470 --> 00:06:53,390 S6: I don't think it's going to end. In the next 132 00:06:53,390 --> 00:06:57,910 S6: couple of days. But I'm just amazed at, uh. Even 133 00:06:58,190 --> 00:07:00,589 S6: for something like this, the pushback that we're getting. 134 00:07:00,630 --> 00:07:02,870 S1: Yeah. Let me touch on something you picked up and 135 00:07:02,870 --> 00:07:05,190 S1: I'm so glad you raised it because the focus of 136 00:07:05,190 --> 00:07:08,550 S1: our conversations always is to mitigate anti-Semitism. It's imperative that 137 00:07:08,550 --> 00:07:10,310 S1: we do that. And, you know, the truth is on 138 00:07:10,310 --> 00:07:11,790 S1: our side, and we've got the Word of God that 139 00:07:11,790 --> 00:07:14,590 S1: we can stand on as well. But even in that, 140 00:07:14,630 --> 00:07:18,590 S1: even in this conflict, anti-Semitism shows its ugly face again, 141 00:07:18,590 --> 00:07:21,070 S1: because what we're hearing all the time now is that 142 00:07:21,070 --> 00:07:24,470 S1: Israel and you noted this is somehow pulling America in 143 00:07:24,510 --> 00:07:27,230 S1: even worse. And I'll paraphrase what I've been hearing some 144 00:07:27,230 --> 00:07:29,430 S1: people say is that somehow we're the fetch and carry 145 00:07:29,470 --> 00:07:33,110 S1: dog of Israel. And they barked and we responded. And 146 00:07:33,150 --> 00:07:35,230 S1: nothing could be further from the truth. Apparently these are 147 00:07:35,230 --> 00:07:37,710 S1: people who've been suffering from the Rip Van Winkle syndrome, 148 00:07:37,710 --> 00:07:40,470 S1: and they're just now waking up. Iran has been calling 149 00:07:40,470 --> 00:07:43,310 S1: Israel the Little Satan and America the Great Satan for 150 00:07:43,310 --> 00:07:46,030 S1: quite some time. And they're indiscriminate. You know, I don't 151 00:07:46,030 --> 00:07:47,790 S1: get in front of this microphone and talk about all 152 00:07:47,790 --> 00:07:50,470 S1: the fact that there are now sleeper cells that have 153 00:07:50,470 --> 00:07:52,470 S1: been sitting in this country for some period of time. 154 00:07:52,590 --> 00:07:55,110 S1: What people don't understand about the Arab mine in particular, 155 00:07:55,110 --> 00:07:58,630 S1: is that time doesn't matter. You'll wait five, eight, ten 156 00:07:58,630 --> 00:08:00,710 S1: years to do what needs to be done to get 157 00:08:00,710 --> 00:08:02,430 S1: to your desired goal, am I right? 158 00:08:03,270 --> 00:08:09,070 S6: Absolutely. And, you know, I started I started seeing this. 159 00:08:09,390 --> 00:08:11,630 S6: I forgot when I read the book, but it's a 160 00:08:11,630 --> 00:08:15,270 S6: book by Mark Stein. America alone. I don't know if 161 00:08:15,270 --> 00:08:16,190 S6: you ever read that book. 162 00:08:16,270 --> 00:08:17,070 S5: Mhm. 163 00:08:17,230 --> 00:08:21,430 S6: And, uh, I started seeing this, uh, what was back then? 164 00:08:21,470 --> 00:08:22,870 S6: I'm not even sure it had that name, but it 165 00:08:22,870 --> 00:08:26,550 S6: was what we call now, the stealth jihad, where, uh, 166 00:08:26,910 --> 00:08:31,590 S6: you know, uh, Islamists would insert themselves into different communities 167 00:08:31,590 --> 00:08:35,350 S6: all around the globe and quietly as a minority and 168 00:08:35,350 --> 00:08:38,550 S6: then grow and grow and grow in numbers and in, uh, 169 00:08:38,670 --> 00:08:41,350 S6: in influence to the point where then they can become 170 00:08:41,390 --> 00:08:44,429 S6: a voting bloc. And then, you know, the, the people 171 00:08:44,870 --> 00:08:48,000 S6: in power cannot ignore them because they need the voice. 172 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,360 S6: They need the votes. And it's just, it's a little 173 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,640 S6: bit of an oversimplification, but basically you have this, this 174 00:08:55,679 --> 00:09:01,040 S6: very patient group of people, uh, adhering to an ideology 175 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:05,199 S6: that is perhaps you and I discussed before the worship 176 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,679 S6: of death as opposed to Western civilizations, you know, a 177 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:09,720 S6: respect of life. 178 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,880 S1: Yeah, exactly. Right. Olivia, I'm so glad you're with me again. 179 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:14,600 S1: And we're just getting started. We're going to take a break. 180 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,400 S1: You've written a couple of really interesting articles lately that 181 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,600 S1: I want to dive into when we return. And don't 182 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,640 S1: forget his latest book, antisemitism in the End Times. No 183 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:44,520 S1: surprise there. Back after this. Are you living with a 184 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,480 S1: biblically based, passionate faith? Or are you pulling back from 185 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,000 S1: letting your light shine? That's why I've chosen Cole to 186 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,360 S1: take a bold stand as this month's truth tool. Learn 187 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,480 S1: how to influence the culture for Christ in a transformative way. 188 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,520 S1: As for your copy of call to take a bold 189 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,160 S1: stand when you give a gift of any amount to. 190 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:04,000 S1: In the market, call 877. Janet 58. That's 877. Janet 58. 191 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:09,400 S1: Or go to in the market with Janet Dot. We 192 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,679 S1: have the pleasure and it is such to spend the 193 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,640 S1: hour with Olivia Melnyk, who's the president and executive director 194 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,480 S1: of Shalom in Messiah. It's a wonderful organization that exists 195 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,280 S1: to expose and fight anti-Semitism as well as equip you 196 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,640 S1: and me, Christians, to lead the Jewish people to the Messiah. 197 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,480 S1: His latest book is called anti-Semitism in the End Times 198 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,920 S1: How the Rise of the World's Oldest Hatred is paving 199 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,040 S1: the way for Messiah's Return. So I want to roll 200 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,840 S1: up my sleeves, because I think a lot of Christians 201 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,960 S1: in particular, when they saw the rattling headlines, uh, started 202 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,840 S1: to open their Bible. If they're going through life with 203 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:42,680 S1: the newspaper in one hand and the Bible in the other, 204 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,850 S1: you start looking at these countries and you think, oh, 205 00:10:44,890 --> 00:10:47,490 S1: this is going to be interesting. Okay, well, Iran at 206 00:10:47,490 --> 00:10:50,370 S1: some point in scripture has to have an alignment with Russia. 207 00:10:50,370 --> 00:10:52,650 S1: We have a regional war we don't have at this point. 208 00:10:52,650 --> 00:10:54,370 S1: Thank you, Lord. We don't have a world war. But 209 00:10:54,370 --> 00:10:58,090 S1: now we are discovering that Russia is providing Intel for Iran. 210 00:10:58,090 --> 00:10:59,930 S1: Will it go any farther than that? I don't know, 211 00:11:00,050 --> 00:11:02,329 S1: China's upset because of the Strait of Hormuz and what 212 00:11:02,330 --> 00:11:04,010 S1: that's going to do to their oil prices, because they 213 00:11:04,010 --> 00:11:06,610 S1: get 40% of their oil from Iran. So it's messing 214 00:11:06,610 --> 00:11:09,849 S1: up things for them as well. So it really raises 215 00:11:09,890 --> 00:11:12,170 S1: when at what point we open the scripture and say, well, 216 00:11:12,170 --> 00:11:14,610 S1: that's it. It's the fulfillment of what has been prophesied. 217 00:11:14,610 --> 00:11:17,690 S1: So take me to Jeremiah 49. And for people who 218 00:11:17,730 --> 00:11:20,330 S1: don't know the background around this, because it has a 219 00:11:20,330 --> 00:11:24,410 S1: lot to say about judgment against Israel's neighbors. So talk 220 00:11:24,410 --> 00:11:25,290 S1: to me about this. 221 00:11:26,450 --> 00:11:31,969 S7: Jeremiah 49 at the at the end of chapter 49, 222 00:11:32,010 --> 00:11:37,650 S7: it's like, uh, verse 34 through 39, it talks about 223 00:11:37,650 --> 00:11:42,250 S7: a group, uh, name called Elam e l a m. 224 00:11:42,570 --> 00:11:46,170 S7: And when you look, when you compare to where it 225 00:11:46,170 --> 00:11:51,689 S7: is today, it would be a small section of, uh, southwest, 226 00:11:51,730 --> 00:11:57,370 S7: southwest of Iran. Uh, and, uh, that prophecy, uh, it's, 227 00:11:57,690 --> 00:12:00,530 S7: it's very divided. The views on this are very divided. 228 00:12:00,730 --> 00:12:03,370 S7: Some people say that it has been fulfilled in the 229 00:12:03,370 --> 00:12:06,969 S7: time of Jesus. I don't see how that's possible. Uh, 230 00:12:06,970 --> 00:12:10,449 S7: some people say that it could possibly be fulfilled. Um, 231 00:12:10,770 --> 00:12:13,689 S7: we're in the midst of, of its fulfillment right now 232 00:12:13,929 --> 00:12:19,010 S7: as Iran is being incapacitated. You know, like the verse like, um, 233 00:12:19,290 --> 00:12:22,929 S7: let's see, I'm just open my Bible about the, uh, the, the, uh, 234 00:12:23,490 --> 00:12:26,770 S7: the bow. Yeah. The verse 35 that says the Lord 235 00:12:26,770 --> 00:12:29,490 S7: of hosts, behold, I'm going to break the bow of Islam, 236 00:12:30,010 --> 00:12:32,290 S7: the finest of their might. So some people say, this 237 00:12:32,290 --> 00:12:35,569 S7: is what's happening right now. Uh, and uh, some people 238 00:12:35,570 --> 00:12:39,010 S7: say it's future. I would say it's probably not past. 239 00:12:39,290 --> 00:12:43,010 S7: It's either now in the process of being fulfilled or future. 240 00:12:43,010 --> 00:12:46,850 S7: But the important part is another important part, I think 241 00:12:46,890 --> 00:12:49,689 S7: is verse 39, which says, but it will come about 242 00:12:49,690 --> 00:12:52,570 S7: in the last days, that I will restore the fortunes 243 00:12:52,570 --> 00:12:56,410 S7: of Islam, declares the Lord. It seems to be to me, 244 00:12:56,410 --> 00:12:58,610 S7: whenever I look at a scripture, when it says in 245 00:12:58,610 --> 00:13:02,929 S7: the last days, it's usually in the, you know, contextually speaking, 246 00:13:03,210 --> 00:13:07,890 S7: a reference to the end time and even the millennial kingdom. 247 00:13:08,090 --> 00:13:10,890 S7: So it doesn't look like it's going to be completely 248 00:13:10,890 --> 00:13:14,290 S7: destroyed like some other parts of the world when God 249 00:13:14,330 --> 00:13:19,569 S7: punishes them. Plus, we know that, like you just mentioned earlier, 250 00:13:19,809 --> 00:13:23,410 S7: Iran has to be on the scene because Iran is 251 00:13:23,410 --> 00:13:27,490 S7: going to team up with Turkey, Russia in the war 252 00:13:27,490 --> 00:13:30,650 S7: of Gog and Magog, which is also a future war 253 00:13:30,850 --> 00:13:34,570 S7: that I placed between the right after the rapture, before 254 00:13:34,570 --> 00:13:41,980 S7: the three, three and a half year abomination of Desolation. So, um, it's, uh, 255 00:13:42,820 --> 00:13:45,500 S7: you know, but this prophecy of Islam, I think, is 256 00:13:45,540 --> 00:13:48,780 S7: either happening or coming in the future. It's very possible 257 00:13:48,780 --> 00:13:51,740 S7: that it's actually, uh, which would be really cool because 258 00:13:51,740 --> 00:13:55,340 S7: we live in so such an interesting time right now 259 00:13:55,340 --> 00:13:59,620 S7: where multiple prophecies, I think are converging on us in 260 00:13:59,620 --> 00:14:01,460 S7: ways that we've never seen. I've never seen it in 261 00:14:01,460 --> 00:14:02,700 S7: my lifetime, that's for sure. 262 00:14:02,900 --> 00:14:05,700 S1: Yeah. Wow. So I like what you said. So it 263 00:14:05,700 --> 00:14:07,820 S1: could be future part of it could be fulfilled now. 264 00:14:07,820 --> 00:14:11,020 S1: But either way, what should the believer's perspective be on this? 265 00:14:11,059 --> 00:14:13,780 S1: I mean, I get excited because I think, Lord, we 266 00:14:13,780 --> 00:14:15,580 S1: have a front row seat to history. Now, it might 267 00:14:15,580 --> 00:14:17,900 S1: not happen for a hundred more years, but certainly the 268 00:14:17,900 --> 00:14:20,220 S1: pieces are moving and they're moving faster than they've moved 269 00:14:20,220 --> 00:14:23,500 S1: up to this point. And all of the key players, um, 270 00:14:23,540 --> 00:14:25,740 S1: except for a couple of the giants like Russia and 271 00:14:25,740 --> 00:14:29,420 S1: China have weighed in on this latest incident. So it 272 00:14:29,420 --> 00:14:31,660 S1: has to be I mean, I wonder if this is 273 00:14:31,660 --> 00:14:33,700 S1: God's way of getting our attention. It's a reminder that 274 00:14:33,700 --> 00:14:36,980 S1: he's coming again and that all prophecy before Jesus takes 275 00:14:37,060 --> 00:14:39,340 S1: us out of this world as followers of Christ. No 276 00:14:39,340 --> 00:14:42,500 S1: more prophecies have to be fulfilled there. It's imminent. It's 277 00:14:42,500 --> 00:14:45,740 S1: the doctrine of Imminency. He could come any time. No 278 00:14:45,740 --> 00:14:48,140 S1: prophecies have to be fulfilled. But when we see these 279 00:14:48,140 --> 00:14:51,100 S1: events happening on the global stage for the believer, shouldn't 280 00:14:51,100 --> 00:14:53,500 S1: it be a catalyst to get ready to be prepared 281 00:14:53,500 --> 00:14:54,620 S1: to be on the watch? 282 00:14:55,500 --> 00:15:01,220 S7: Well, I think I think there's the Bible prophecy really 283 00:15:01,620 --> 00:15:04,860 S7: serves many purposes, but the two main purposes that that 284 00:15:04,860 --> 00:15:08,580 S7: I think it serves are for the unbeliever. It is 285 00:15:08,580 --> 00:15:11,700 S7: a wake up call. The Bible is the true word 286 00:15:11,700 --> 00:15:15,380 S7: of God. It. Every prophecy has been or will be 287 00:15:15,380 --> 00:15:20,140 S7: fulfilled verbatim, literally. By the way, that the First Coming 288 00:15:20,140 --> 00:15:23,460 S7: prophecies is what got me to come to the Lord 289 00:15:23,460 --> 00:15:25,740 S7: and accept him. 42 years ago when I read the late, 290 00:15:25,740 --> 00:15:30,340 S7: great Planet Earth. That's. That was my coming to Jesus moment. Wow. And, uh, 291 00:15:30,780 --> 00:15:33,300 S7: and so for the unbeliever, it's a wake up call 292 00:15:33,300 --> 00:15:36,550 S7: for the believer. And that's what believers, I think believers 293 00:15:36,550 --> 00:15:40,710 S7: that are not grounded in the word miss, that they 294 00:15:40,710 --> 00:15:44,030 S7: get scared. They get concerned. We should get excited because 295 00:15:44,030 --> 00:15:47,070 S7: it's a confirmation that God is a God of His word, 296 00:15:47,350 --> 00:15:49,910 S7: that it's an encouragement that things are happening exactly the 297 00:15:49,910 --> 00:15:53,750 S7: way he said it. And for the believers, uh, it's, it's, 298 00:15:53,750 --> 00:15:56,390 S7: it's an encouragement that, you know, the, the next event, 299 00:15:56,390 --> 00:15:59,310 S7: as we mentioned, the rapture is, is any time now 300 00:15:59,310 --> 00:16:01,230 S7: and we know what's coming after, we're not going to 301 00:16:01,230 --> 00:16:03,830 S7: be part of the tribulation, but after that, the millennium 302 00:16:03,830 --> 00:16:08,310 S7: and the eternal order. So prophecy should encourage us. You know, 303 00:16:08,350 --> 00:16:11,030 S7: I the first time I really understood that is when 304 00:16:11,030 --> 00:16:12,790 S7: I took this class, when I was at Moody with 305 00:16:12,790 --> 00:16:16,590 S7: our good friend Doctor Riddell. Uh, and, uh, he was 306 00:16:16,590 --> 00:16:19,710 S7: teaching the class and he was really, you know, drilling 307 00:16:19,710 --> 00:16:22,270 S7: it into all of us that, uh, you know, this 308 00:16:22,270 --> 00:16:25,390 S7: is really exciting for the believers, and I have never 309 00:16:25,390 --> 00:16:26,350 S7: forgotten that. 310 00:16:26,390 --> 00:16:28,910 S1: Oh, wow. So that and by the way, shout out 311 00:16:28,910 --> 00:16:31,350 S1: to Moody Bible Institute for having a Jewish studies program. 312 00:16:31,350 --> 00:16:35,150 S1: May that always be because they have launched so many 313 00:16:35,150 --> 00:16:37,390 S1: people who have gone out and influenced, whether they're serving 314 00:16:37,390 --> 00:16:39,630 S1: in Israel or here in the United States. You know, 315 00:16:39,670 --> 00:16:41,750 S1: just talking to our mutual friend, actor Mitch Glazer, the 316 00:16:41,750 --> 00:16:44,230 S1: other day, talking about how many on his team with 317 00:16:44,230 --> 00:16:46,870 S1: Chosen People ministries are in fact moody grads. So praise 318 00:16:46,870 --> 00:16:50,230 S1: God for their Bible study, their Jewish Bible Studies program there. 319 00:16:50,270 --> 00:16:52,190 S1: Let me take a break and come right back. So 320 00:16:52,190 --> 00:16:53,590 S1: much to cram into this hour. I want to talk 321 00:16:53,590 --> 00:16:55,550 S1: to you about. Okay, so Bible in one hand, newspaper 322 00:16:55,550 --> 00:16:58,670 S1: in the other. Keep watching. To a watching world that 323 00:16:58,670 --> 00:17:02,270 S1: doesn't yet know Jesus as Messiah. Uh, I hope that 324 00:17:02,270 --> 00:17:04,109 S1: these events are getting them to think about their own 325 00:17:04,109 --> 00:17:07,270 S1: personal mortality, that there will be an ending, just as 326 00:17:07,270 --> 00:17:09,390 S1: though there was a beginning. And when that happens, will 327 00:17:09,390 --> 00:17:12,510 S1: you be ready? So all things, all things under the 328 00:17:12,510 --> 00:17:14,790 S1: sovereignty and the control of the king who sits on 329 00:17:14,790 --> 00:17:16,670 S1: the throne. We woke up this morning. He was still there. 330 00:17:16,670 --> 00:17:19,669 S1: He will be there forevermore. Amen. Selah. So let me 331 00:17:19,670 --> 00:17:21,310 S1: take a break and come right back. More with Olivier 332 00:17:21,350 --> 00:17:41,550 S1: Melnik right after this. Olivia Melnik is with us, president 333 00:17:41,550 --> 00:17:45,390 S1: and executive director of Shalom in Messiah Ministries, a non-profit 334 00:17:45,390 --> 00:17:49,350 S1: organization that exists to expose and fight anti-Semitism. He's got 335 00:17:49,350 --> 00:17:51,590 S1: his work cut out for him these days, as well 336 00:17:51,590 --> 00:17:54,189 S1: as to equip and mobilize Christians to lead Jewish people 337 00:17:54,190 --> 00:17:58,270 S1: to the Messiah again. His latest book is called anti-Semitism 338 00:17:58,270 --> 00:18:00,630 S1: in the End Times How the Rise of the World's 339 00:18:00,630 --> 00:18:04,470 S1: Oldest Hatred is Paving the way for Messiah's return. So 340 00:18:04,510 --> 00:18:07,949 S1: you blog all the time. Absolutely fascinating articles, Olivier, and 341 00:18:07,950 --> 00:18:10,030 S1: one that you wrote about has the title what in 342 00:18:10,070 --> 00:18:14,230 S1: the World is Collateral anti-Semitism? So that is the question 343 00:18:14,230 --> 00:18:16,710 S1: I ask you. What is collateral anti-Semitism? 344 00:18:17,670 --> 00:18:23,550 S7: Oh, I'm so glad you asked. So it's almost like 345 00:18:23,550 --> 00:18:24,430 S7: we planned this. 346 00:18:24,470 --> 00:18:25,550 S1: Oh, yes, it is. So. 347 00:18:26,350 --> 00:18:30,230 S7: Uh, well, you know, here is this this really, um. 348 00:18:30,350 --> 00:18:33,760 S7: To me, uh, this this has affected me quite a 349 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,399 S7: bit because I went back to the last 26 years 350 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,720 S7: that I've been doing this. And I started 26 years 351 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,639 S7: ago and I, and I wrote him down and I'm 352 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,280 S7: going to read them and you can see the progression. 353 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,920 S7: It's amazing. 46 years ago, my definition was simple. anti-Semitism 354 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,119 S7: is a hatred of the Jews characterized by thoughts, words, 355 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:55,160 S7: and deeds against them. Then within a few years, I 356 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,520 S7: realized it's not just the Jews anymore, it's the Jews 357 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,040 S7: in Israel. So I had to add the hatred of 358 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,000 S7: the Jews and Israel characterized by the same. And then 359 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:08,440 S7: I realized, wait a minute, it's very, very irrational. People 360 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,399 S7: need to understand this. So anti-Semitism is irrational hatred of 361 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,159 S7: the Jews in Israel. And then a few years later, 362 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,560 S7: I thought it is irrational because it's satanic and only 363 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,320 S7: he can make the irrational sound rational. So I added 364 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,440 S7: the word satanic. And about last week, it's like last 365 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,440 S7: week I realized I need to add one more thing 366 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:34,360 S7: which includes collateral anti-Semitism, which is basically the fact that 367 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,680 S7: now you no longer have to be Jewish to suffer 368 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:42,280 S7: from anti-Semitism. And that's a big shift in antisemitism in general. 369 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:46,280 S7: So I added a hatred of the Jews, Israel and 370 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,560 S7: their supporters. Janet, if you go to the market, if 371 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,520 S7: you go on the street and you wear a I 372 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,359 S7: love Israel, I'm a Christian Zionist T-shirt or a hat 373 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,160 S7: with the flag of Israel. You, you, you you take 374 00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,000 S7: a chance now. 375 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:00,760 S1: Mhm. You sure do. 376 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,120 S7: And you you don't have to be Jewish. So we 377 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,280 S7: have shifted, you know, we kicked it up, kicked it 378 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,840 S7: up a notch. And that's where we are right now. 379 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,320 S7: And I don't think people realizing that that when the 380 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:16,399 S7: support Israel, when they support the Jewish people, they now 381 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:20,000 S7: are victims, they can become victims of anti-Semitism. 382 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,520 S1: Yes, exactly. So what is then? And I'm so glad 383 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,719 S1: that you added that last part because it's true. And, 384 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,040 S1: you know, all you have to do is spend a 385 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,050 S1: few minutes on X and you're going to see immediately. Uh, 386 00:20:30,170 --> 00:20:33,810 S1: people from corners that you would have ordinarily expected. Nothing 387 00:20:33,810 --> 00:20:38,810 S1: like this, just wanton anti-Semitism. So what is the collateral damage? 388 00:20:38,810 --> 00:20:40,889 S1: So I'm glad you amended you made it current and 389 00:20:40,890 --> 00:20:43,290 S1: I think you're accurate, but there is collateral damage here. 390 00:20:43,290 --> 00:20:43,930 S1: What is it? 391 00:20:45,250 --> 00:20:49,250 S7: Well, you mean the collateral damage is that Christians are 392 00:20:49,250 --> 00:20:52,970 S7: going to help. Jewish people are going to be. They're 393 00:20:52,970 --> 00:20:55,969 S7: going to have to be prepared to be, uh, to 394 00:20:56,010 --> 00:20:56,890 S7: be persecuted. 395 00:20:57,930 --> 00:21:00,649 S1: Exactly. So that's, that's the line. 396 00:21:00,690 --> 00:21:03,690 S7: I mean, and, you know, and it's the sad part 397 00:21:03,730 --> 00:21:05,609 S7: is that when I go to conferences all the time, 398 00:21:05,609 --> 00:21:08,090 S7: I tell the audience that says, I have, I'm asking 399 00:21:08,090 --> 00:21:10,610 S7: you to help. And here's my sales pitch. It's bad 400 00:21:10,609 --> 00:21:12,609 S7: for the Jews. If you help us, it's going to 401 00:21:12,609 --> 00:21:15,330 S7: get really bad for you. You could actually lose your life. 402 00:21:15,369 --> 00:21:21,250 S7: Who wants to sign up? But it's basically where we are. 403 00:21:21,410 --> 00:21:23,730 S7: This is where we are, and we have to make 404 00:21:23,730 --> 00:21:25,410 S7: a stand. We have to take a stand. 405 00:21:25,570 --> 00:21:28,449 S1: Amen and amen. You start the article, and I'm so 406 00:21:28,450 --> 00:21:30,370 S1: glad you did, because you don't know this. Olivier. I 407 00:21:30,369 --> 00:21:33,410 S1: actually played audio of people going from door to door 408 00:21:33,810 --> 00:21:36,530 S1: in Brighton, which is a sea coast town in England. 409 00:21:36,530 --> 00:21:38,770 S1: It's a vacation spot for a lot of people. And 410 00:21:38,770 --> 00:21:41,650 S1: literally telling them, do you support Israel? Like, like they 411 00:21:41,650 --> 00:21:43,850 S1: were the thought police. Okay. I couldn't tell if it 412 00:21:43,850 --> 00:21:46,490 S1: was Pre-nazi Germany or it was George Orwell. It was 413 00:21:46,490 --> 00:21:48,330 S1: one of the same. But they were literally ringing on 414 00:21:48,330 --> 00:21:53,130 S1: doorbells and asking them not to support Israel financially. And 415 00:21:53,130 --> 00:21:55,290 S1: so one man said, Will I buy hummus? And he goes, 416 00:21:55,530 --> 00:22:00,129 S1: and the question taker, whoever this self-appointed, you know, person 417 00:22:00,130 --> 00:22:02,850 S1: was said, okay, but just don't buy it from Israel. 418 00:22:02,850 --> 00:22:05,010 S1: So this goes to your point about the collateral damage. 419 00:22:05,010 --> 00:22:06,610 S1: First of all, I don't know who this person was 420 00:22:06,609 --> 00:22:08,490 S1: who felt empowered enough to go door to door to 421 00:22:08,530 --> 00:22:11,050 S1: ask someone what their thoughts and beliefs were, and then 422 00:22:11,050 --> 00:22:14,409 S1: to take down their names, which was important because anybody 423 00:22:14,410 --> 00:22:17,130 S1: who starts making a list lists aren't made just because 424 00:22:17,130 --> 00:22:18,810 S1: you want to make a list, you do something with 425 00:22:18,810 --> 00:22:21,169 S1: the names on the list. So talk to me about 426 00:22:21,170 --> 00:22:24,130 S1: your seeing what happened in Brighton, because this was. And 427 00:22:24,130 --> 00:22:26,300 S1: I don't know what's going on with the UK in general. 428 00:22:26,340 --> 00:22:28,859 S1: They've completely lost their mind. You know, when you decide 429 00:22:28,859 --> 00:22:32,300 S1: to have a chronic call to prayer inside Westminster Abbey 430 00:22:32,300 --> 00:22:34,940 S1: in the same room where Queen Elizabeth was buried. I 431 00:22:34,980 --> 00:22:37,300 S1: don't understand what's going on in that country at all. 432 00:22:37,300 --> 00:22:40,219 S1: And Keir Starmer won't get involved until two bases get 433 00:22:40,220 --> 00:22:42,380 S1: hit in Cyprus. And now he'll get involved somehow in 434 00:22:42,380 --> 00:22:45,100 S1: what's happening in the Middle East. Um, what's saying over 435 00:22:45,100 --> 00:22:47,659 S1: the weekend, by the way, that the Union Jack, the 436 00:22:47,660 --> 00:22:50,660 S1: flag of the UK is now a hate symbol in 437 00:22:50,700 --> 00:22:54,100 S1: acquiescence to the Islamization that's taking place in that country. 438 00:22:54,140 --> 00:22:56,220 S1: It's stunning to me. But talk to me about your 439 00:22:56,220 --> 00:22:58,700 S1: take on what was going on with Britain. I. I 440 00:22:58,900 --> 00:23:01,820 S1: always fantasize, what would I have done in a situation 441 00:23:01,820 --> 00:23:04,380 S1: like that? Do you witness to them? Do you try 442 00:23:04,380 --> 00:23:08,060 S1: to talk about where they're coming from, uh, from asking 443 00:23:08,060 --> 00:23:11,100 S1: the question, or do you realize that you're smelling sulfur 444 00:23:11,100 --> 00:23:12,580 S1: because this is an agent of hell? 445 00:23:13,619 --> 00:23:16,859 S7: Well, first of all, we have to Christians have to 446 00:23:16,859 --> 00:23:20,179 S7: understand that, you know, what's really concerning is that we're 447 00:23:20,180 --> 00:23:25,740 S7: talking about about a A country in Western Europe and France. 448 00:23:25,740 --> 00:23:28,460 S7: France is not far behind. I mean, I saw I 449 00:23:28,500 --> 00:23:30,700 S7: saw a very funny meme over the weekend. It says 450 00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:34,820 S7: that Muslim countries are Muslim countries that here's a list 451 00:23:34,820 --> 00:23:38,700 S7: of Muslim countries that, uh, oppose the war against Iran. 452 00:23:38,700 --> 00:23:41,340 S7: And they listed two France and England. 453 00:23:41,580 --> 00:23:42,139 S1: Yes. 454 00:23:43,340 --> 00:23:47,580 S7: It was funny, but not so funny. And, uh, so 455 00:23:47,859 --> 00:23:50,780 S7: we have these these people that are knocking on doors 456 00:23:50,820 --> 00:23:53,420 S7: and trying to push BDS. It's not like you said, 457 00:23:53,420 --> 00:23:56,540 S7: it's not so much that they're pushing the boycott, divestment, sanctions. 458 00:23:56,700 --> 00:24:00,540 S7: It's that they're taking names. You know, my father during 459 00:24:00,540 --> 00:24:03,139 S7: the war went through that with his family. When they 460 00:24:03,140 --> 00:24:05,379 S7: came to, uh, they asked all the Jews to bring 461 00:24:05,380 --> 00:24:08,060 S7: their bicycles to the police station, and then they asked 462 00:24:08,060 --> 00:24:11,340 S7: them to bring their, their, uh, transistor radio, trying to 463 00:24:11,380 --> 00:24:16,700 S7: ostracize and stigmatize and separate them to ghettoize them. If 464 00:24:16,700 --> 00:24:19,939 S7: you take a list of people that, uh, that are 465 00:24:20,140 --> 00:24:22,700 S7: going to be, you want to do something to. Against them. 466 00:24:22,700 --> 00:24:25,940 S7: Then next step is to, you know, gather all these people. 467 00:24:25,980 --> 00:24:28,500 S7: Put them somewhere or go against them. Exactly. The name 468 00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:29,379 S7: is very dangerous. 469 00:24:29,420 --> 00:24:32,580 S1: Absolutely. And if it happened once, never again. So you 470 00:24:32,580 --> 00:24:34,780 S1: have to be aware of these things. They're not happening 471 00:24:34,780 --> 00:24:38,260 S1: in isolation. It's a coordinated plan right from the pit 472 00:24:38,260 --> 00:24:52,180 S1: of hell. More with Olivier Melnik right after this. Christians 473 00:24:52,180 --> 00:24:54,899 S1: are called to go into the marketplace of ideas. Throughout history, 474 00:24:54,900 --> 00:24:57,419 S1: men and women of God have been thought leaders, innovators, 475 00:24:57,420 --> 00:25:00,100 S1: and forces for good. We want this program to continue 476 00:25:00,100 --> 00:25:03,300 S1: in that bold tradition. Join me by becoming a partial partner. 477 00:25:03,300 --> 00:25:05,140 S1: Your monthly gift will make a difference as we help 478 00:25:05,140 --> 00:25:07,899 S1: Christians take a bold stand in the marketplace of ideas. 479 00:25:08,060 --> 00:25:12,100 S1: Call today 877 Janet 58 or go online to in 480 00:25:12,140 --> 00:25:17,260 S1: the market with Janet dot o r g. We're visiting 481 00:25:17,260 --> 00:25:20,550 S1: with Olivier Melnik, who's the president and executive director of 482 00:25:20,550 --> 00:25:24,350 S1: Shalom in Messiah Ministries. It's a wonderful group that not 483 00:25:24,350 --> 00:25:28,590 S1: only deals with anti-Semitism, but helps us as followers of Yeshua, 484 00:25:28,830 --> 00:25:31,389 S1: love our Jewish friends so they might to know who 485 00:25:31,390 --> 00:25:35,070 S1: Jesus of Nazareth is. By the way, undergrad Moody Bible Institute, 486 00:25:35,109 --> 00:25:37,469 S1: he just gave a shout out to Doctor Michael Redlick 487 00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:39,429 S1: as his teacher. Thank you, Lord, that there is a 488 00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:42,230 S1: Jewish studies program at Moody Bible Institute. Went on to 489 00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:45,270 S1: get his master's at Dallas Theological Seminary. So I want 490 00:25:45,310 --> 00:25:47,869 S1: to talk. I could we could spend hours just talking 491 00:25:47,869 --> 00:25:49,870 S1: about your book. So let me talk about a project, 492 00:25:49,869 --> 00:25:51,909 S1: and then maybe I'm going to get some more into 493 00:25:51,910 --> 00:25:55,230 S1: this end times and how you have this unbelievably hopeful 494 00:25:55,270 --> 00:25:59,109 S1: aspect that even though this pernicious, ugly, demonic sin of 495 00:25:59,109 --> 00:26:02,270 S1: anti-Semitism has raised its head in, is roaring right now, 496 00:26:02,550 --> 00:26:05,430 S1: that it also portends the fact that Jesus is coming again. 497 00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:07,950 S1: So I'll leave that thought hanging for a minute and 498 00:26:07,950 --> 00:26:11,430 S1: go to a project No Synagogue left behind. I love 499 00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:14,030 S1: the title. Olivier. What is it? Tell me all about 500 00:26:14,030 --> 00:26:15,590 S1: it and what we can do to support it. 501 00:26:16,190 --> 00:26:20,110 S7: Thank you. Uh, well, um, I came up with this 502 00:26:20,109 --> 00:26:22,870 S7: idea about a little over a year ago and, uh, 503 00:26:22,869 --> 00:26:27,270 S7: and it really only works in, um, in, in America 504 00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:33,550 S7: because of our second amendment. Uh, but, um, what it is, is, um, 505 00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:36,750 S7: you know, a lot of churches in most of the 506 00:26:36,750 --> 00:26:42,149 S7: US states have a security team that, you know, carries handguns, uh, 507 00:26:42,150 --> 00:26:47,350 S7: you know, concealed carry legally, of course. Uh, during church services, uh, 508 00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:52,270 S7: you know, retired army, retired police officers or serving whatever. 509 00:26:52,430 --> 00:26:55,790 S7: And so that team comes every Sunday. Every, every time 510 00:26:55,790 --> 00:26:59,709 S7: they have a big event, but they're usually not busy on, uh, 511 00:26:59,830 --> 00:27:04,390 S7: on either, uh, Friday night or Saturday morning. So I have, 512 00:27:04,430 --> 00:27:06,150 S7: and we have it on our website when you can 513 00:27:06,190 --> 00:27:10,030 S7: click and get the instructions, uh, you, you basically, I'm 514 00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:12,590 S7: asking pastors if they're supporting Israel, they want to make 515 00:27:12,590 --> 00:27:15,909 S7: a difference. Call the local rabbi, identify where the synagogue 516 00:27:15,950 --> 00:27:19,560 S7: or synagogues are in your area. Call the local rabbi 517 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,720 S7: and say, I'm the pastor of Church of blah, blah 518 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,600 S7: blah blah. And we love Israel. We, uh, we see 519 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,960 S7: the plan of God for Israel and the Bible. We 520 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,600 S7: want to bless Israel based on Genesis 12 three. We 521 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,840 S7: want to be available for you. Can I have coffee 522 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,399 S7: with you and meet you and tell you about how 523 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,600 S7: we would love for our security team to serve you 524 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,359 S7: and protect you on Shabbat. And then you, you, the 525 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,920 S7: pastor meets with the rabbi and explains and brings maybe 526 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,280 S7: some of his people and some rabbis will say, no, 527 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,600 S7: thank you. We have our own people. Some will say 528 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,080 S7: we already pay somebody, but we've already done it with 529 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,159 S7: people on the West Coast and on the East Coast 530 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,800 S7: as pilots. And it was extremely well received. As a 531 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,119 S7: matter of fact, one of the churches, the rabbi, called 532 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,440 S7: again to have a high holiday, uh, security from the church. 533 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,080 S7: And then unannounced, they visited the church on Sunday a 534 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,439 S7: few a few weeks after that said, we want to 535 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,600 S7: meet the people who are actually taking the time to 536 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,720 S7: do this for us. So this is really rebuilding bridges 537 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,199 S7: like we never I never thought of that is something 538 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,680 S7: that would work. But the Lord just gave me this 539 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,159 S7: idea and I thought, you know what, we got to 540 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:26,719 S7: try that. 541 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,560 S1: Oh my goodness, what a brilliant idea. So you anticipated 542 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,880 S1: my question, which is you thought about this a year ago. 543 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,000 S1: So I'm wondering if you're starting to get feedback. What 544 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,560 S1: a wonderful way to put some shoe leather into your 545 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,480 S1: love for the Jewish people. And like you say, they 546 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,080 S1: might say, no thanks, we've already got our own team. 547 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:46,000 S1: Or yes, we'd really love that. But because Synagogue Temple 548 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,479 S1: is held on Friday night and Saturday, that doesn't interfere 549 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,680 S1: with church services on Sunday. I know my church has 550 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,200 S1: a security team, so that's wonderful. So I've got a link, 551 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,560 S1: by the way, to your website. It's right there on 552 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,080 S1: our information page. It's easy to remember it's the same 553 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,560 S1: name of the ministry Shalom and messiah.com. Don't write it down. 554 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,320 S1: If you're driving home in traffic, it's all there on 555 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,000 S1: my information page, Solomon messiah.com. And then when you get there, 556 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,600 S1: just hit the on the website, there's a tab for 557 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,320 S1: you to, to go to that tells you about the 558 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,560 S1: no synagogue left behind. And I hate to say it 559 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,280 S1: because it's reflective of the times in which we live. Olivier, 560 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,400 S1: but you have to have secure. I don't think there's 561 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,719 S1: a synagogue out there. A church, for that matter. I 562 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,320 S1: give you Minnesota. All 39 now have been indicted and 563 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,440 S1: we can talk about that some other day. But, you know, 564 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,320 S1: nobody's going to interrupt anybody's church service or their house 565 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,560 S1: of worship at all. But the Jewish community is particularly 566 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,560 S1: vulnerable right now. In fact, um, you know, we have 567 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,320 S1: a guy in New York who through, you know, um, 568 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,720 S1: an IED and gave the ISIS signal and he's got 569 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,120 S1: components in it that are very much tied back to ISIS. 570 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,560 S1: And now it's being looked at as an act of terrorism. 571 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,200 S1: This is the streets of New York, in fact, outside 572 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,720 S1: the mayor's house in New York City. So where is 573 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:55,960 S1: the safe place right now? Yeah. 574 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,959 S7: Yeah, yeah. And see, the, uh, the synagogue thing is 575 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:01,920 S7: really not a it's not a complicated thing to do. 576 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,280 S7: I mean, I went to an event Wednesday. I went 577 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,600 S7: to an event in Dallas area. There was a few 578 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,000 S7: people speaking on anti-Semitism at a synagogue. And so you 579 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,530 S7: had to buy tickets and everything. But when I got there, 580 00:30:13,530 --> 00:30:16,530 S7: my goodness, I got checked at the entrance of the 581 00:30:16,530 --> 00:30:18,810 S7: parking lot by a security team. And then I was 582 00:30:18,810 --> 00:30:21,690 S7: checked with our purses and everything. My wife and I 583 00:30:21,930 --> 00:30:25,210 S7: at the entrance of the building and it was very, very, 584 00:30:25,210 --> 00:30:28,969 S7: very tight. And I'm very happy that it was. But 585 00:30:28,970 --> 00:30:31,370 S7: but that's where we are right now. I mean, uh, 586 00:30:31,410 --> 00:30:35,210 S7: there is no, uh, really no synagogue is really, uh, 587 00:30:35,290 --> 00:30:38,810 S7: is taking this lightly. And they have some, some sort 588 00:30:38,810 --> 00:30:41,930 S7: of security either, you know, armed or not armed. But, 589 00:30:41,930 --> 00:30:43,410 S7: but we're at a place right now where we need 590 00:30:43,450 --> 00:30:45,810 S7: armed security so that most of that got left behind. 591 00:30:45,850 --> 00:30:48,850 S7: I pray that if if you're not a pastor and 592 00:30:48,850 --> 00:30:51,450 S7: you're hearing this program, then talk to your pastor if 593 00:30:51,450 --> 00:30:53,650 S7: you have a relationship with them, and if you don't 594 00:30:53,650 --> 00:30:56,010 S7: know your pastor, well, find somebody at your church who 595 00:30:56,010 --> 00:30:58,530 S7: knows your pastor and have them talk to him. It 596 00:30:58,530 --> 00:31:01,890 S7: is not that difficult. If the pastor says they love Israel, 597 00:31:01,890 --> 00:31:05,050 S7: then really it's one phone call or one email away 598 00:31:05,290 --> 00:31:08,090 S7: they should get. You know, they should get skin in 599 00:31:08,090 --> 00:31:09,730 S7: the game and that's an easy way to get in. 600 00:31:09,970 --> 00:31:12,969 S1: Brilliant and not complicated. You can go to the website, 601 00:31:12,970 --> 00:31:15,370 S1: but Olivier just basically laid out the plans for you. 602 00:31:15,410 --> 00:31:18,530 S1: Just pick up the phone. No. Discover where the synagogues 603 00:31:18,530 --> 00:31:21,090 S1: are in your area, pastor. And then perhaps you can 604 00:31:21,090 --> 00:31:23,610 S1: step forward in a very tangible way. Show the love 605 00:31:23,610 --> 00:31:27,170 S1: of Jesus to our Jewish friends. I think that's absolutely fantastic. 606 00:31:27,170 --> 00:31:29,210 S1: One more thing. As long as we're talking about ministry, 607 00:31:29,250 --> 00:31:32,730 S1: talk to me about your video shorts called Towards Messiah. 608 00:31:33,650 --> 00:31:39,490 S7: So I, um, uh, the, um, what was it? About 609 00:31:39,490 --> 00:31:43,450 S7: a month ago, I recorded a series of about 30 videos, 610 00:31:43,450 --> 00:31:46,570 S7: anywhere from 3 to 5 minutes. A couple of them 611 00:31:46,570 --> 00:31:48,969 S7: are a little longer, but 3 to 5 minute videos, uh, 612 00:31:48,970 --> 00:31:51,650 S7: in a conversation with a pastor, a good friend of mine, 613 00:31:51,650 --> 00:31:56,010 S7: Tom Hughes of Hope for our times, uh, and, uh, 614 00:31:56,130 --> 00:32:01,330 S7: in the studio in California and, uh, we, um, we basically, uh, 615 00:32:01,330 --> 00:32:05,370 S7: had this conversation about hot topics that, uh, that we 616 00:32:05,370 --> 00:32:11,180 S7: need to, uh, to discuss. And they were, um, they were, um, 617 00:32:11,300 --> 00:32:17,580 S7: I can explain that. Um um. Videos on, on what 618 00:32:17,580 --> 00:32:19,300 S7: does it mean to be Jewish? Can you be Jewish 619 00:32:19,300 --> 00:32:23,300 S7: and believe in Jesus? Uh, are Jews descendants of the Khazars? Uh, 620 00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:28,300 S7: so those are all videos like quick teaching with scriptures and, 621 00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:31,460 S7: and they're meant to be, uh, they're all going to 622 00:32:31,460 --> 00:32:34,020 S7: be on our website within the next couple of months. Uh, 623 00:32:34,020 --> 00:32:36,500 S7: all free. Of course, they're meant to be either for 624 00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:38,620 S7: a Christian who wants to be equipped to understand the 625 00:32:38,620 --> 00:32:42,020 S7: Jewish people and relate to them better, but also they're 626 00:32:42,020 --> 00:32:44,380 S7: meant to be for a Jewish person. So they shouldn't 627 00:32:44,380 --> 00:32:49,060 S7: be they shouldn't be, uh, offensive, uh, not compromising, but 628 00:32:49,060 --> 00:32:51,979 S7: not offensive. They're meant to be for Jewish person visiting 629 00:32:51,980 --> 00:32:54,020 S7: or going like, oh, I want to know what they 630 00:32:54,020 --> 00:32:55,860 S7: say about the Jews and the Khazars. And of course, 631 00:32:55,860 --> 00:32:57,420 S7: I'm going to come to the defense of the Jews 632 00:32:57,420 --> 00:33:00,780 S7: because that's a ridiculous statement right there. So, so those 633 00:33:00,780 --> 00:33:04,140 S7: are all short videos to equip people to either share 634 00:33:04,140 --> 00:33:07,180 S7: with the Jewish people or Jewish people to understand that 635 00:33:07,220 --> 00:33:10,260 S7: there are Christians who love Israel, love the Jewish people, 636 00:33:10,260 --> 00:33:12,660 S7: and to become a Christian when you're Jewish doesn't mean 637 00:33:12,660 --> 00:33:15,980 S7: you have to deny your identity. I never did that. 638 00:33:16,740 --> 00:33:18,100 S7: So that's that's what it is. 639 00:33:18,460 --> 00:33:20,900 S1: So it's in the works, right? When can we expect these? 640 00:33:21,940 --> 00:33:30,060 S7: Oh, Janet, stop pushing me. It's going to be. It'll 641 00:33:30,060 --> 00:33:32,220 S7: be ready when it's ready. And you'll be the first 642 00:33:32,220 --> 00:33:36,140 S7: to know. Bye bye. By the spring. By the spring. 643 00:33:36,340 --> 00:33:38,460 S1: Excellent. And we'll talk about it the next time you come. 644 00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:40,060 S1: We'll see how far you are. But that's going to 645 00:33:40,060 --> 00:33:43,420 S1: be a fabulous resource. So thank you so much for that. Um, 646 00:33:43,660 --> 00:33:46,220 S1: let me go. Let me go back to the, um, to, 647 00:33:46,260 --> 00:33:48,540 S1: to the thesis of the book about your most recent 648 00:33:48,540 --> 00:33:51,180 S1: book about the rise of anti-Semitism and the end times. 649 00:33:51,220 --> 00:33:53,700 S1: You know, the subtitle is so intriguing to me. The 650 00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:55,860 S1: book is fabulous, by the way. It really explains it 651 00:33:55,860 --> 00:33:58,420 S1: helps you make sense of the headlines. But the idea 652 00:33:58,420 --> 00:34:02,700 S1: that this anti-Semitism again, roaring, not not whispering, roaring, that 653 00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:05,660 S1: we're seeing now is actually a part of paving the 654 00:34:05,660 --> 00:34:09,020 S1: way to use your words for Messiah's return. Olivier, how 655 00:34:09,020 --> 00:34:10,980 S1: in the world does that work? Why would we see 656 00:34:10,980 --> 00:34:14,020 S1: an uptick in anti-Semitism as yet again, one of those 657 00:34:14,060 --> 00:34:15,420 S1: be on the lookout signs. 658 00:34:17,180 --> 00:34:22,500 S7: You know, when, uh, when the Holocaust happened, a lot 659 00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:25,420 S7: of people, uh, you know, a couple of decades afterwards 660 00:34:25,420 --> 00:34:27,859 S7: started saying like, well, you know, the Holocaust happened so 661 00:34:27,860 --> 00:34:31,220 S7: that Israel could be reborn as a nation. And I 662 00:34:31,260 --> 00:34:33,500 S7: it's not the main reason, but I would say there 663 00:34:33,540 --> 00:34:37,259 S7: is a connection there that anti-Semitism pushed a lot of 664 00:34:37,260 --> 00:34:40,060 S7: Jewish people. And of course, you know, it was it 665 00:34:40,060 --> 00:34:44,260 S7: happened after the beginning of Zionism, the birth of Zionism 666 00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:47,779 S7: in the late 1800s. But some Jewish people ended up 667 00:34:47,780 --> 00:34:50,340 S7: moving to Israel as a result of the Holocaust and 668 00:34:50,340 --> 00:34:53,140 S7: rebuilding the Jewish people, which, by the way, is not 669 00:34:53,140 --> 00:34:55,540 S7: even close to what it was before the Holocaust, which 670 00:34:55,540 --> 00:34:57,899 S7: was 18 million, and now we're at 16. We haven't 671 00:34:57,900 --> 00:35:01,420 S7: even reached that number. Uh, just a side note here, 672 00:35:01,420 --> 00:35:03,910 S7: but we can say the same thing about what's happening 673 00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:06,750 S7: right now. The the Jewish people are experiencing a lot 674 00:35:06,750 --> 00:35:10,310 S7: of anti-Semitism and you hit the nail on the head. Janet. 675 00:35:10,350 --> 00:35:14,870 S7: October 7th was definitely the, the turning point for, uh, 676 00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:18,550 S7: for Jewish people, for, for anti-Semitism. As I said recently 677 00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:20,910 S7: in an article, Pandora's box was opened and it's not 678 00:35:20,910 --> 00:35:22,950 S7: going to be reclosed. It's not going to be closed 679 00:35:23,110 --> 00:35:26,990 S7: until Jesus returns. I mean, you know, I try to 680 00:35:27,110 --> 00:35:30,790 S7: find ways to explain things. So recently at a conference, uh, 681 00:35:31,310 --> 00:35:34,270 S7: that I attended with our friend Michael Ridley, I was saying, 682 00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:36,950 S7: you know, we have to expose, we have to oppose 683 00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:41,750 S7: and only Yeshua will return and depose. But, uh, so 684 00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:44,830 S7: right now we cannot stop fighting. But the reason why 685 00:35:44,830 --> 00:35:48,070 S7: it's happening is because Satan, as I told you earlier, 686 00:35:48,070 --> 00:35:51,109 S7: is involved in all that. And he knows that the 687 00:35:51,110 --> 00:35:53,350 S7: Jewish people are the chosen people of God, the apple 688 00:35:53,350 --> 00:35:56,150 S7: of God's eye, and that they're they're a part of 689 00:35:56,190 --> 00:35:59,629 S7: God's plan for the end times. Uh, and in the 690 00:35:59,670 --> 00:36:02,750 S7: end times, we know that at the end of the tribulation, 691 00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:07,310 S7: the Jewish people who survived the tribulation with the help 692 00:36:07,310 --> 00:36:09,790 S7: of Gentiles who get saved during the tribulation. That's the 693 00:36:09,790 --> 00:36:12,950 S7: goat and the sheep of Matthew 2536 to 41 the 694 00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:15,950 S7: Jewish people will call upon the one whom they have pierced. 695 00:36:15,989 --> 00:36:20,670 S7: Zechariah 1210 and said, Baruch, Hashem, Adonai. That is when 696 00:36:20,670 --> 00:36:24,630 S7: Jesus returns, and that is when Satan goes into retirement 697 00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:26,469 S7: in the pit of hell, and he wants to do 698 00:36:26,469 --> 00:36:30,350 S7: everything he can to stop it. And he created anti-Semitism 699 00:36:30,350 --> 00:36:31,190 S7: just for that. 700 00:36:31,230 --> 00:36:32,670 S8: Wow wow wow. 701 00:36:32,830 --> 00:36:35,830 S1: Any questions? Let me take a break. Olivia Melnik is 702 00:36:35,830 --> 00:36:39,350 S1: our guest, president and executive director of Shalom and Messiah Ministries, 703 00:36:39,630 --> 00:36:43,150 S1: also the author of the book anti-Semitism in the End Times. 704 00:36:43,390 --> 00:36:45,670 S1: None of this should catch us off guard. I challenge 705 00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:47,549 S1: you to read this book as you're reading the headlines. 706 00:36:55,350 --> 00:36:58,750 S1: Olivia Melnik is the author of antisemitism in the End 707 00:36:58,750 --> 00:37:01,759 S1: Times How the Rise of the world's oldest hatred is 708 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,440 S1: paving the way for Messiah's return. He is also the 709 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,239 S1: president and executive director of Shalom in Messiah, a wonderful 710 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:13,239 S1: ministry that exposes anti-Semitism to the disinfectant of sunlight, spelled 711 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,160 S1: s o n, and also he teaches Christians how to 712 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,959 S1: lead Jewish people to the Messiah. And by the way, 713 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,480 S1: this no synagogue left behind idea that we just shared. Brilliant. 714 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,839 S1: I want to underscore it again, pastors, if you've got 715 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,480 S1: a security team, a wonderful way to in a very 716 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,160 S1: tangible way, show the Jewish people, your love for them 717 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,160 S1: is to say, hey, we got a security team. Do 718 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,520 S1: you have one at your synagogue? You worship Friday night, 719 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,239 S1: Saturday morning, we're on their Sunday. We'd be happy to 720 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,399 S1: lend you our security team to work something out. I mean, 721 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,120 S1: that would be what a wonderful, wonderful way to really 722 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,319 S1: show them the love of Jesus by doing that in 723 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,560 S1: your book. Olivier, you make the distinction between Judaism and Jewishness, 724 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,799 S1: and we're all messed up as a culture right now 725 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,160 S1: on language, and we're using it as a weapon, not 726 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,120 S1: as a tool of understanding. So I want to break 727 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,600 S1: down some terms here. What is in your mind the 728 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,000 S1: distinction between Judaism and Jewishness. 729 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,560 S7: Well, Janet, you're going to have to wait for the video. 730 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,680 S7: It's one of my 30 videos. No, I'm just kidding. 731 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,080 S7: It is. It is one of my funny videos. But 732 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,800 S7: just for you, Janet, I'll do it right now. 733 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:13,720 S1: Thank you sir. 734 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,640 S7: Oh, it's so good that we can have fun like this. Um, the, uh, 735 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,080 S7: the difference is, uh, it's actually very, very important to 736 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:30,000 S7: understand for both Christians and Jews, uh, Jewishness is something that, uh, 737 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,440 S7: I was born, uh, my father was Jewish. My mother 738 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,920 S7: was Jewish. Both their parents were Jewish, their grandparents, everybody 739 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:42,200 S7: was Jewish. So ethnically speaking, uh, the bloodline. We're all Jewish. 740 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,719 S7: That's the Jewishness. That's something that we're born with. We 741 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,080 S7: don't choose it. It's part of who we are. It's 742 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,880 S7: part of the DNA. It's part of the fabric of 743 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,919 S7: who we are. It's it's a state of being, so 744 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:58,049 S7: to speak. That's Jewishness. Judaism is something that you choose 745 00:38:58,050 --> 00:39:02,450 S7: or you believe or you practice. So a Jew who 746 00:39:03,010 --> 00:39:07,930 S7: practices Judaism is just that. It's a Jew who is 747 00:39:07,969 --> 00:39:12,490 S7: a religious Jew. You can say practices Judaism in different aspects, 748 00:39:12,489 --> 00:39:16,450 S7: of course, because Judaism exists on a very wide spectrum 749 00:39:16,450 --> 00:39:21,370 S7: from just a little bit to ultra-Orthodox. So that's Judaism. 750 00:39:21,489 --> 00:39:24,570 S7: So Jewishness is a state of being. Judaism is something 751 00:39:24,570 --> 00:39:27,810 S7: you practice. So a Gentile, a person who is not 752 00:39:27,810 --> 00:39:31,290 S7: born from a Jewish family can practice Judaism if they 753 00:39:31,290 --> 00:39:33,969 S7: want to. They can start, you know, keeping kosher, go 754 00:39:33,969 --> 00:39:36,850 S7: to synagogue, uh, you know, all those different things. Not 755 00:39:36,850 --> 00:39:38,890 S7: work on Shabbos, uh, you know, they can do all 756 00:39:38,890 --> 00:39:42,969 S7: those things. Uh, but that does not make them a Jew. 757 00:39:43,290 --> 00:39:47,489 S7: It makes them a proselyte to Judaism, just like Ruth was, uh, 758 00:39:47,489 --> 00:39:50,890 S7: and it, uh, and, and so, uh, by the way, 759 00:39:50,890 --> 00:39:53,890 S7: when she decided to follow Naomi and say, your God 760 00:39:53,890 --> 00:39:55,969 S7: will be my God, your people will be my people 761 00:39:56,010 --> 00:39:58,610 S7: before and after. In the book of Ruth. She's always 762 00:39:58,610 --> 00:40:02,610 S7: called a Moabite, never called a Jew. After she decides 763 00:40:02,610 --> 00:40:05,650 S7: to follow, put herself under the Commonwealth of Israel. So 764 00:40:05,890 --> 00:40:10,530 S7: believing and deciding what you want to do and practice 765 00:40:10,570 --> 00:40:14,130 S7: Judaism makes you a proselyte to Judaism, not a Jew. 766 00:40:14,370 --> 00:40:17,969 S7: The Jew comes to you as you're born. I'm born 767 00:40:18,010 --> 00:40:22,130 S7: a Jew from Jewish parents. And if I don't practice Judaism, 768 00:40:22,290 --> 00:40:27,290 S7: I'm still Jewish. I'm just an agnostic, atheist or whatever 769 00:40:27,330 --> 00:40:29,930 S7: kind of Jew you want to call me. And, uh, 770 00:40:30,210 --> 00:40:33,650 S7: you know, it's that simple. And it's good for Christians 771 00:40:34,010 --> 00:40:36,290 S7: who are confused with that, but also for Jewish people. 772 00:40:36,330 --> 00:40:40,530 S7: Once a Jewish person understands that the practice of Judaism 773 00:40:40,530 --> 00:40:43,730 S7: has no bearing on the Jewish identity, which is a 774 00:40:43,730 --> 00:40:46,650 S7: hard it's a hard pill to swallow for many Jews 775 00:40:46,690 --> 00:40:49,330 S7: because we don't think that way. We don't think that way. 776 00:40:49,370 --> 00:40:52,330 S7: We're told that being Jewish, a part of being Jewish 777 00:40:52,330 --> 00:40:56,450 S7: is practicing Judaism is and all those things. But really, uh, 778 00:40:56,450 --> 00:40:59,569 S7: Jewish identity is in the blood and it's how you 779 00:40:59,570 --> 00:41:02,410 S7: were born. And, uh, so that's, that's the difference. 780 00:41:02,610 --> 00:41:05,010 S1: Let me linger here because it raises two very important points. 781 00:41:05,050 --> 00:41:07,290 S1: Number one, to my Jewish friends that are listening, this 782 00:41:07,290 --> 00:41:09,370 S1: is an issue that very often they struggle with, which 783 00:41:09,370 --> 00:41:13,090 S1: is if I if I see that Jesus is Yeshua, 784 00:41:13,090 --> 00:41:15,569 S1: he is the promised Messiah, then I'm going to have 785 00:41:15,570 --> 00:41:17,489 S1: to give up my Judaism based on what you just said. 786 00:41:17,489 --> 00:41:20,570 S1: That's like saying, oh, you you can't drain the Jewish 787 00:41:20,570 --> 00:41:22,689 S1: blood out of who you are. You will always be 788 00:41:22,690 --> 00:41:23,490 S1: a Jew, right? 789 00:41:24,290 --> 00:41:28,089 S7: Well, you you would have to give up or adjust 790 00:41:28,090 --> 00:41:30,690 S7: your Judaism. Maybe, but you will never give up your 791 00:41:30,730 --> 00:41:33,410 S7: Jewishness because you're born a Jew. You'll die a Jew. 792 00:41:33,690 --> 00:41:37,049 S1: Right? Exactly. So the second question is then, for the 793 00:41:37,090 --> 00:41:39,610 S1: pushback of the people who say there should be no 794 00:41:39,610 --> 00:41:44,969 S1: Jewish state, using your distinction between Judaism and Jewishness, who 795 00:41:44,969 --> 00:41:47,170 S1: should be allowed to live in the nation of Israel? 796 00:41:47,170 --> 00:41:49,730 S1: And how do you take into account people who convert 797 00:41:49,730 --> 00:41:50,650 S1: to Judaism? 798 00:41:52,380 --> 00:41:55,419 S7: Uh, you have to ask that question in the last 799 00:41:55,420 --> 00:42:02,460 S7: two minutes of the show. What have I done to 800 00:42:02,460 --> 00:42:08,900 S7: deserve this? Uh, that's that's a tough one because, uh, 801 00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:11,739 S7: there are different views on, on what it means to 802 00:42:11,739 --> 00:42:16,620 S7: be Jewish from, from the Jewish community. Uh, you know, unfortunately, 803 00:42:16,660 --> 00:42:20,100 S7: a messianic Jew like me, a Jew believes in Jesus 804 00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:24,500 S7: as the Messiah. Uh, I, I cannot go back to 805 00:42:24,540 --> 00:42:27,060 S7: Israel under the law of return unless they don't ask 806 00:42:27,060 --> 00:42:29,899 S7: me or I lie. Uh, but if they ask me 807 00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:32,820 S7: if I believe in Jesus, I say yes. And that's 808 00:42:32,820 --> 00:42:35,020 S7: pretty much the end of my paperwork right there. I'm 809 00:42:35,060 --> 00:42:39,700 S7: not going to be accepted because again, uh, Israel, the, the, 810 00:42:40,380 --> 00:42:43,339 S7: the administration, the people in the government, they believe that 811 00:42:43,340 --> 00:42:46,899 S7: once you believe in Jesus, you, something changes you, you 812 00:42:46,940 --> 00:42:50,300 S7: lose your Jewish identity. Uh, and that's because they don't 813 00:42:50,420 --> 00:42:55,500 S7: understand Jewish and Judaism as far as Christians who convert 814 00:42:55,500 --> 00:43:00,259 S7: to Judaism. According to Israel, they become Jews. So you 815 00:43:00,260 --> 00:43:04,259 S7: know who to me, who belongs in Israel under the 816 00:43:04,260 --> 00:43:07,580 S7: law of return are Jews who were born Jews, including 817 00:43:07,580 --> 00:43:10,379 S7: Messianic Jews, because we never cease to be Jews. But 818 00:43:10,380 --> 00:43:11,540 S7: that's just my opinion. 819 00:43:11,580 --> 00:43:14,379 S1: Yeah, and you know what? I hardly concur, because your 820 00:43:14,380 --> 00:43:17,859 S1: Judaism doesn't get eradicated. You will change perhaps some of 821 00:43:17,860 --> 00:43:21,500 S1: your traditions and your festivals and etc. the list goes 822 00:43:21,500 --> 00:43:23,180 S1: on and on and on. But you cannot be drained 823 00:43:23,219 --> 00:43:26,100 S1: of the fact that your mother was Jewish and your 824 00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:28,620 S1: father was Jewish, and that makes you Jewish by birth, 825 00:43:28,620 --> 00:43:31,540 S1: by ethnicity. But now you're a follower of Yeshua. It's 826 00:43:31,540 --> 00:43:33,980 S1: a fascinating topic, by the way, and maybe part of 827 00:43:33,980 --> 00:43:36,940 S1: the tension that we're seeing in these latter days. Olivia. 828 00:43:36,940 --> 00:43:39,140 S1: That went far too quickly. There's so many more questions 829 00:43:39,140 --> 00:43:40,900 S1: I want to ask you. Let me end by encouraging 830 00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:43,100 S1: our friends to go to your website. First of all, 831 00:43:43,100 --> 00:43:45,820 S1: very easy to remember because it's the name of his ministry. 832 00:43:45,860 --> 00:43:50,310 S1: Shalom in messiah.com. It's linked right there in my information page. 833 00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:53,029 S1: Also on the information page is his latest book. It's 834 00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:55,910 S1: called anti-Semitism in the End Times How the Rise of 835 00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:59,310 S1: the World's Oldest Hatred is paving the way for Messiah's return. 836 00:43:59,350 --> 00:44:02,150 S1: So in many respects, in this awful stuff that we're seeing, 837 00:44:02,430 --> 00:44:05,510 S1: we shouldn't be surprised. And at its core, it's not 838 00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:07,910 S1: some blogger. It's not some person who sits with a 839 00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:11,430 S1: microphone in front of their computer carrying on. It's really 840 00:44:11,469 --> 00:44:14,430 S1: satanic at its core. This is the enemy who hates 841 00:44:14,430 --> 00:44:18,270 S1: the fact that God had a chosen people whereby salvation 842 00:44:18,270 --> 00:44:21,910 S1: would come. Salvation came by way of the Jews. Period. 843 00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:25,109 S1: End of statement. Inarguable. Factual. Satan hates that. So what 844 00:44:25,110 --> 00:44:27,989 S1: does he do? He foments this. This hatred against the 845 00:44:27,989 --> 00:44:31,630 S1: Jewish people because our salvation came by way of the Jews. 846 00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:36,190 S1: Olivia's people. He's the root of Jesse. I got grafted 847 00:44:36,190 --> 00:44:38,350 S1: on and I praise God for it. Olivia, thank you 848 00:44:38,350 --> 00:44:40,590 S1: for a great conversation. We'll see you next time. Friends 849 00:44:40,590 --> 00:44:42,430 S1: on in the market with Janet partial.