WEBVTT - Hour 1: Exploring the Word

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<v S1>My good friend went to be with the Lord a

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<v S1>couple of weeks ago. I'm really sad, but I am

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<v S1>not grieving as one who has no hope. Stay with me.

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<v S1>We'll talk about that in just a moment. Hello, friends.

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<v S1>Welcome to Open Line, Moody Radio's Bible study across America.

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<v S1>My name is Michael Melnick. I'm the academic dean and

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<v S1>a professor of Jewish studies and Bible at Moody Bible Institute.

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<v S1>I'm so grateful that you're joining me around the radio

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<v S1>kitchen table today. And we're talking about your questions about

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<v S1>the Bible, God, and the spiritual life. If you have

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<v S1>a question and you'd like to call, the phone number

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<v S1>here is (877) 548-3675. Let me tell you, the secret of

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<v S1>getting your call in is calling at the beginning of

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<v S1>the program or the beginning of the hour, because otherwise

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<v S1>it fills up. And then people send me notes and

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<v S1>they say, I couldn't get through, I couldn't get through. Well,

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<v S1>now's the time to call (877) 548-3675. Let me, uh, let

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<v S1>you know who's here to hear Heinz's producing today. Omar

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<v S1>Mendoza is is handling all things technical. And the phone

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<v S1>number here once again. (877) 548-3675. Time to get yourself a

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<v S1>cup of coffee. Open your Bible. We're going to study

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<v S1>the scriptures together. So I made this friend my first

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<v S1>year as a student at Moody Bible Institute. He introduced

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<v S1>himself as lip, and of course, that wasn't his real name.

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<v S1>I said, how did you get the name lip? He said,

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<v S1>it's short for Lappalainen. And I thought, no. Well, later

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<v S1>on I found out that he was stung by a

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<v S1>bee as a kid, right on the lip. And he

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<v S1>had a big swollen lip, and everyone called him lip.

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<v S1>And that's where he got the name. His real name

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<v S1>was Randy. And my dear friend Randy. We stayed friends

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<v S1>since we were freshmen in college. What do I think about?

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<v S1>I think about this guy that was the funniest student

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<v S1>at Moody Bible Institute. Was a riot. Always had us laughing.

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<v S1>Great storyteller. Uh, joking. Uh. He would dress up as

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<v S1>characters in different events. One night we had a, a

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<v S1>50s night in the old gym in North Hall, and

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<v S1>he dressed up as a rock n roll singer and

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<v S1>lip synched to music and so much fun that I

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<v S1>had with him. But also he was a serious Bible student.

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<v S1>We took New Testament courses together and would study on

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<v S1>a regular basis. He was determined to learn the scriptures.

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<v S1>I think that's so crucial. Such. It was such a

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<v S1>crucial part of his life. Uh, and, uh, through the

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<v S1>years we stayed friends. And when he was diagnosed with, uh,

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<v S1>a deadly illness about a year ago, throughout his treatment,

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<v S1>he exhibited tremendous faith and trust in the Lord. And

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<v S1>on the night of the Super Bowl, he called me

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<v S1>up and said, you know, I'd like to plan my

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<v S1>funeral with you. Would you be willing to record something

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<v S1>to be at my funeral? And, uh, I said, this

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<v S1>is really hard to talk about. And he said, I know,

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<v S1>but we're going to have a time together where we

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<v S1>can talk about it later on and we'll be together

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<v S1>and laugh again. So don't sweat it. Let's talk about it.

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<v S1>And we did. And I was really, really sad but

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<v S1>grateful That we had this friendship and then he passed away,

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<v S1>went to be with the Lord the following morning. And

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<v S1>I was thinking about this, that in first Thessalonians chapter four,

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<v S1>it says that we don't grieve as those who have

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<v S1>no hope. And let me read you the passage. It says,

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<v S1>we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, concerning

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<v S1>those who are asleep. Asleep being a euphemism in this

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<v S1>passage for those who have died, so that you will

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<v S1>not grieve like the rest, who have no hope. That

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<v S1>doesn't mean we don't grieve, but we don't grieve without hope,

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<v S1>since we believe that Jesus died and rose again in

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<v S1>the same way, God will bring with him those who

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<v S1>have fallen asleep through Jesus. For we say this to

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<v S1>you by a revelation from the Lord, we who are

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<v S1>still alive at the Lord's coming will certainly have no

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<v S1>advantage over those who have fallen asleep, for the Lord

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<v S1>himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the

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<v S1>archangel's voice, with the trumpet of God and the dead

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<v S1>in the Messiah Jesus will rise first. Then we who

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<v S1>are still alive will be caught up together with them

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<v S1>in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

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<v S1>And so we will always be with the Lord. Therefore

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<v S1>encourage one another with these words. As I was thinking

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<v S1>about these passages, what is the basis of having hope

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<v S1>in the midst of our sorrow and sadness? Well, the

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<v S1>first is we have hope and a redeemer. It starts

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<v S1>off by saying, if we believe that Jesus died and

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<v S1>rose again, that's the gospel. If we believe the gospel.

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<v S1>We have confidence that our sins are forgiven and that

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<v S1>we will be with him. It says that God will

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<v S1>bring with him those who have fallen asleep. Through Jesus

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<v S1>there is a certainty. My friend didn't just die. None

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<v S1>of us, if we know the Lord, just dies. We

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<v S1>go to be with the Lord. And that's what he did.

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<v S1>He is with the Lord. He is out of pain,

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<v S1>out of suffering. He is comforted. And I have that

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<v S1>hope as well, that one day. And either I'll be

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<v S1>raptured or die. And either way, I have that hope

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<v S1>because I've put my trust in the Redeemer. So first

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<v S1>we have hope and a Redeemer, and secondly, we have

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<v S1>hope in a resurrection. It says the dead in the

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<v S1>Messiah will rise first. That's what first Thessalonians 416 says,

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<v S1>that there will one day we go to be with

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<v S1>the Lord immediately in our immaterial state. But there's going

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<v S1>to be a resurrection. We will be raised up to

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<v S1>a glorified immortal body when the Lord returns at the rapture.

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<v S1>And so? So that is great hope, not the suffering

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<v S1>sick bodies that we have now. But one day, a

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<v S1>glorified immortal body. We have hope in a resurrection. Uh,

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<v S1>and then we also have hope in a reunion. Uh,

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<v S1>it says then we who are still alive will be

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<v S1>caught up together. Together with them. Uh, there's going to

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<v S1>be a great reunion when the Lord returns. Will all

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<v S1>be together again. It'll be the same as that old

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<v S1>cohort of friends that I had in college. Will be

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<v S1>hanging out together, uh, at the time when the Lord

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<v S1>returns at the great resurrection. And that's a real encouraging

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<v S1>thought to me. Uh, as a couple of my friends

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<v S1>now from that college cohort have gone to be with

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<v S1>the Lord. Well, here's the point of the whole passage.

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<v S1>It says, therefore, encourage one another with these words. If

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<v S1>you've lost someone you love and they knew the Lord,

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<v S1>and you know the Lord, you, you have the same hope.

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<v S1>We don't have to grieve as those who have no hope.

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<v S1>We have hope in Jesus the Redeemer. We have hope

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<v S1>in a great resurrection one day and also a hope

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<v S1>in that reunion together. I hope this gives you encouragement.

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<v S1>If you're suffering the sorrow of losing someone you love.

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<v S1>And that's the great message here, the encouragement of first

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<v S1>Thessalonians 413 through 18. Well, we're going to go right

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<v S1>to the phones here, but I wanted it before I do.

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<v S1>I wanted to introduce you to our current resource, and

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<v S1>it's a new one. It's March 1st. We have a

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<v S1>new resource. So many times I get questions about, uh,

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<v S1>you know, how did we get the Bible? How do

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<v S1>we know that the Bible is different than other alleged

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<v S1>sacred texts like the Quran, for example. What makes the

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<v S1>Bible so special? People who love and read the Bible

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<v S1>will sometimes wonder, how did we get the scriptures? Well,

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<v S1>a friend of mine, Doctor Jay Carlini, has written a

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<v S1>book called The Story of the Bible. And this book

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<v S1>takes you on a journey from the scriptures beginnings. It's

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<v S1>being written, inspired text all the way to transmission and

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<v S1>then ultimately to the English translations that we have today.

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<v S1>The story of the Bible reveals how God worked through

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<v S1>human authors, scribes, translators to give us his written word.

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<v S1>This book will give you great confidence in the Bible's

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<v S1>reliability while answering questions that you've always had about where

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<v S1>did the scriptures come from? And if you'd like a

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<v S1>copy of the story of the Bible, it's yours. All

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<v S1>you have to do is give a gift of any

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<v S1>size to open line. And if you'd like to do that,

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<v S1>just go to our website, Open Line radio.org or call (888) 644-7122.

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<v S1>That's (888) 644-7122. We just want to say thanks by sending

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<v S1>you a copy of the story of the Bible. So

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<v S1>make sure when you give ask for the story of

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<v S1>the Bible. We're going to go to the phones right

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<v S1>now and we're going to speak with, uh, Silvana. I

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<v S1>think that's who is next on the. Wait a second.

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<v S1>My screen isn't exactly right. I got to check it out.

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<v S1>There we go. Kirk in Lake Worth, Florida, listening on Wrnb.

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<v S1>Welcome to Open Line. Kirk, how can I help you today?

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<v S2>Shalom, pastor. I just absolutely love listening to you and

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<v S2>Doctor Melnick, number one, Miss Eva.

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<v S1>Oh, I do love listening to her, I'll tell you that.

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<v S2>So my question is, is that I've been reading about

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<v S2>a book called I'm. I believe it's a Hebrew word.

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<v S2>T a n a k h. And the way it's

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<v S2>described is it's the Old Testament Torah with messianic prophecies

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<v S2>in red letters, which would make it easy for me

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<v S2>to find the messianic prophecies and share them with people. Because,

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<v S2>you know, when you talk to people, even unbelievers, Gentiles,

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<v S2>when you start talking New Testament, they say, well, that's

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<v S2>what Jesus said about himself. That's what his followers said.

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<v S2>But I think these prophecies, which are great for our

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<v S2>Jewish friends, would be great for them, too. And it'd

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<v S2>make it easy to find and sort of have a quick.

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<v S2>And I could study each and every one of the prophecies.

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<v S2>What do you think?

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<v S1>Well, I don't know which one you're talking about. The

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<v S1>word Tanakh is the Hebrew word for the Old Testament. Uh, okay.

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<v S1>It's a acronym. Takes the first letter of each section

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<v S1>of the Old Testament Torah, the law Torah. That's the

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<v S1>te nevi'im. The prophets. Yes. And that's the end. And

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<v S1>then Ketuvim, uh, which is the writings Tanakh. And because.

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<v S1>Of the the curse sounds at the end, it gets softened,

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<v S1>if you can believe it's calling it. Softened uh, to

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<v S1>so Tanakh. Uh. And so that's what it is. I

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<v S1>don't know of one that has the messianic prophecies in red.

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<v S1>I'm not aware of that, but that sounds like a

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<v S1>great idea. But the Tanakh is merely the Old Testament,

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<v S1>and if there's one with messianic prophecies in red, that's great. Uh,

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<v S1>and I think a great way of studying the messianic prophecies.

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<v S1>And obviously this is important to me because that's how

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<v S1>I came to the Lord, is I, I was the

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<v S1>editor of a book called The Moody Handbook of Messianic Prophecy. And, uh,

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<v S1>you know what? It's it's, uh, it's a resource book.

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<v S1>It's a deep dive into each of the messianic prophecies

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<v S1>about 50 different people contributed. I did about ten articles

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<v S1>in it. And if you'd like a copy, you know what?

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<v S1>You just hang on. I'm going to send you one

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<v S1>for free since you're interested in it. Uh, and anyone

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<v S1>else listening, if you're interested in that, all you have

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<v S1>to do is go to your local Christian bookstore, or

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<v S1>maybe your favorite online bookstore, and get a copy of

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<v S1>The Moody Handbook of Messianic Prophecy. I think it's a

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<v S1>great tool. And so you hang on, Kirk, don't hang up. Uh,

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<v S1>we're going to have to here, take your name and

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<v S1>your number and your address and all that, and we'll

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<v S1>send you a copy of the Moody Handbook of Messianic Prophecy. Uh,

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<v S1>and we're going to we're going to go to break

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<v S1>right now. When we come back, we have a lot

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<v S1>of questions that I'll try and answer. I'll do the

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<v S1>best I can. So glad you're listening to Open Line

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<v S1>with me. This is our Bible study across America, and

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<v S1>people are calling from all across America. So I'm glad

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<v S1>for that. We'll talk. We'll talk with you in just

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<v S1>a moment. Stay with us. We're. You're listening to Open

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<v S1>Line with Michael Melnick on Moody Radio. We'll be right back.

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<v S1>Welcome back to Open Line with Michael Radonich. I'm so

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<v S1>happy to be here on this Saturday morning with you.

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<v S1>Studying the scriptures. It's it's so fun. I walked in,

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<v S1>saw the people from the previous program. They were all there.

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<v S1>And also, uh, Omar and Tara and Merle, we're all here.

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<v S1>It's a it's a fun team. Uh, and I so

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<v S1>appreciate seeing everyone on the team. And it's a lot

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<v S1>of people think these programs just happen, but no, they don't.

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<v S1>There's a lot of people that put in a lot

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<v S1>of work? Even Tricia is working. She's not here with

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<v S1>us today, but she put a lot of stuff into

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<v S1>today's program. Couldn't do it without the team. And there's

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<v S1>some people on the team that maybe you hadn't thought about.

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<v S1>Those are people who give to Open Line on a

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<v S1>regular basis. Our kitchen table partners, they are really part

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<v S1>of the team. They give monthly so I can be

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<v S1>on the air weekly. I so appreciate them. And one

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<v S1>of the things I do to show my appreciation is

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<v S1>Tricia and I produce a Bible study moment every other week.

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<v S1>It's an audio Bible study designed exclusively for our kitchen

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<v S1>table partners. And we're trying actually, it would be a

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<v S1>big help. So, you know, we're a little bit over

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<v S1>800 kitchen table partners right now. The goal for this year,

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<v S1>I was really hoping to see if we can get

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<v S1>a thousand kitchen table partners. That would be a tremendous benefit.

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<v S1>And we I hope you're considering becoming part of the team.

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<v S1>And if you are, all you have to do is

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<v S1>go to open line radio.org. That's open line radio.org. Or

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<v S1>you can uh, you can call (888) 644-7122 and become part

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<v S1>of the team as well. Well let's talk to Dennis

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<v S1>in Cleveland, Ohio listening on Wtxf. Welcome to Open Line Dennis.

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<v S1>How can I help you?

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<v S3>Good morning. Good morning doctor. There's something I don't understand

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<v S3>about the Bible is, uh. Jesus lineages. Lineage. If Ruth, uh,

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<v S3>was an Israelite, how does that work? He's not a

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<v S3>true Israelite because she became from somewhere else. But Naomi was.

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<v S1>Naomi was an Israelite. Uh, yep. But, uh, now, I

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<v S1>think this is this is, uh, important to remember. If

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<v S1>you read Matthew one, you'll see that Judah fathered. Verse three.

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<v S1>Judah fathered Perez and Zerah by Tamar. Tamar was not

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<v S1>an Israelite, and Solomon fathered Boaz by Rahab. Okay. Uh, okay.

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<v S3>Yes, ma'am.

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<v S1>And Boaz fathered Obed by Ruth. And then, uh, so

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<v S1>you have three women in the lineage of Jesus that

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<v S1>were not, uh, what we would say Israelite, you know. So.

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<v S3>Yes, sir.

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<v S1>But their fathers were, you know, Judah was an as well. Yeah.

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<v S1>He was an Israelite. He was a descendant of Jacob. Uh, Solomon, uh,

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<v S1>who fathered Boaz by Rahab. Solomon was an Israelite. Uh,

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<v S1>Boaz who fathered Obed by Ruth was an Israelite. And

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<v S1>so obviously, uh, the descendancy the genealogical descendancy from from

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<v S1>Jacob of of making an Israelite could go through either parent,

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<v S1>and in this case it's through the fathers. So that's

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<v S1>all it is.

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<v S4>Okay. Okay.

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<v S3>My heart goes out to the Israelites. It bothers me

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<v S3>to see the world treat them the way they do.

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<v S3>It bothers me. And you have a good day, doctor.

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<v S4>Thank you, I appreciate that.

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<v S1>Appreciate your concern about anti-Semitism. I'm concerned about that, too. Uh,

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<v S1>I think that if ever believers need to speak up

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<v S1>and stand up is in opposing the growing anti-Semitism in

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<v S1>the world, well, we're going to talk to Elaine, listening

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<v S1>on 90.1 FM, Moody Radio Chicago Wmbi. Welcome to Open Line. Elaine,

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<v S1>this is our flagship station. Glad you're with us. How

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<v S1>can I help you?

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<v S5>Thank you. I just want to know which Bible you

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<v S5>would recommend for a newcomer. Something simple. But. But, uh,

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<v S5>I'd like it to emphasize the importance of the Jewish nation.

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<v S1>Well, you don't need to have a special translation to

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<v S1>important to emphasize the importance of the Jewish nation. Every

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<v S1>Bible translation does good. So, uh, because that's it's intrinsic

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<v S1>to the Bible. Uh, good. Now, do you mean which

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<v S1>is the best Bible translation for a new follower of Jesus? Okay.

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<v S1>You know, there's just a whole bunch of different ways

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<v S1>of thinking about it. Uh, I would encourage, you know,

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<v S1>I like the CSB. The CSB is an easy to

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<v S1>read translation, easy to understand and accurate. And so some

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<v S1>people will find that helpful. Uh, sometimes that's considered a

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<v S1>little tough for people to understand. Uh, even there, even

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<v S1>though I think it's an easy to read English translation.

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<v S1>So you might want to consider for a brand new

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<v S1>follower of Jesus, the New Living Translation. It's a little interpretive,

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<v S1>but it's easier to understand than that. But, you know,

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<v S1>you just, uh, there there are other kinds of translations.

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<v S1>Some people like the NIV and some people like the

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<v S1>New American Standard. There are different kinds and formats, but

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<v S1>I think I would I would think that the most accurate,

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<v S1>easy to read translation is the Holman CSB. And then

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<v S1>the other alternative is to go something even simpler, which

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<v S1>is a thought for thought translation called the New Living Translation.

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<v S1>That's what I think. Okay.

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<v S5>Thank you, thank you. Yeah.

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<v S1>You're welcome. And by the way, I'll just remind everyone

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<v S1>that the best Bible translation, according to my wife Eva,

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<v S1>is the one you will actually read. That's the best

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<v S1>one for you. So. Okay, thanks for your call, Elaine.

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<v S1>We're going to talk to Stephen in Cleveland, listening on

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<v S1>Wtxf Moody Radio Cleveland. Uh, welcome to Open Line. Stephen,

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<v S1>how can I help you?

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<v S6>Hi, doctor. Ray, can I have a question? It's been

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<v S6>bothering me for a while. I've talked to a disgusting

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<v S6>something about the dead who are going to heaven. And

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<v S6>because of Christ being alive, they intercede for us to God.

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<v S6>Because he quoted Matthew 27, they came out of the graves.

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<v S6>And then one on the bottom was what struck me

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<v S6>as revelations five, eight and eight, 3 to 4. He

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<v S6>says that the even the Bible shows people in heaven

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<v S6>taking our prayers before God. I thought, when you die,

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<v S6>you're not conscious. Well, how would you know who you're

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<v S6>praying for? I thought we'd just go to Jesus Christ

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<v S6>to get to the father. I'm just confused with that

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<v S6>because he says when they came out of the graves,

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<v S6>that shows they're alive and they guess they're conscious, they

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<v S6>could pray for us. I don't understand all this.

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<v S1>Well, whether they're conscious or not, Uh, and, uh, I

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<v S1>think it's interesting. Let's just go to revelation five eight. Yeah.

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<v S1>When he when he took the scroll, the four living

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<v S1>creatures and the 24 elders fell down before the lamb.

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<v S1>Each one had a harp and gold bowls filled with incense,

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<v S1>which are the prayers of the saints. Now, I just

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<v S1>want to be really clear here. This is symbolic language.

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<v S1>And the incense, uh, is the prayers of the saints

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<v S1>is symbolically pictured as incense. But their actual prayers. But

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<v S1>they're not prayers of dead saints. The word saint refers

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<v S1>to followers of Jesus. And so these are the prayers

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<v S1>of people on earth ascending to God. They are not

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<v S1>people who are dead and in heaven praying. So that

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<v S1>verse is not teaching at all anything about the dead

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<v S1>interceding for us. Now the other one, yes, people are resurrected.

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<v S1>There were a few people who had a resurrection at

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<v S1>the resurrection of Jesus according to Matthew 27, but they

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<v S1>would have to die again, sort of like Lazarus. There

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<v S1>was a, I like to call the theological technical term

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<v S1>a super duper burst of resurrection power that happened when

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<v S1>the the Lord Jesus was resurrected and some people came

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<v S1>out of the graves as confirmation of that resurrection of Jesus,

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<v S1>but they were not resurrected to glory. They were resurrected

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<v S1>temporarily and they would have to die again. So what

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<v S1>happens when we die? First of all, we go to

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<v S1>be with the Lord, our immaterial portion, the spirits of us.

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<v S1>Paul talks about in Philippians one that he. He knows

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<v S1>that to live is Christ, to die is gain, and

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<v S1>that he would go to be with the Lord. When

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<v S1>he died. Second Corinthians five says. Absent from the body.

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<v S1>When our spirit leaves the body. It it is present

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<v S1>with the Lord. So we go to be with the

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<v S1>Lord in our immaterial state. And then we descend in

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<v S1>our immaterial state at the resurrection, at the rapture, and

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<v S1>we are resurrected. We meet up with our bodies and

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<v S1>they're given a glorified immortal body. But, uh, the most

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<v S1>important thing to remember is that there's only one mediator,

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<v S1>one person who prays. There's one person who is our advocate.

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<v S1>There's only one high priest who intercedes for us, and

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<v S1>that is the Lord Jesus. So when we pray, the

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<v S1>way to pray is not to any person who died.

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<v S1>The way to pray according to the scriptures is we

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<v S1>pray to the father in the name of the son.

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<v S1>That's because he is our advocate. He is our high priest.

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<v S1>He is the one that leads us before the father. And, uh,

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<v S1>he is the one that intercedes for us. And we

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<v S1>pray as we seek God's will. We seek God's purposes.

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<v S1>When we pray, we pray according to the power of

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<v S1>the Holy Spirit. So when we pray, we don't pray

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<v S1>to people who have died. We pray to the father

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<v S1>in the name of the son by the power of

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<v S1>the Holy Spirit. There's no verse in Scripture that ever,

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<v S1>ever teaches that we should pray to people who have died. Okay. Uh.

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<v S6>That is what they believe.

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<v S1>Yeah, I know they believe that, but does that clarify

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<v S1>it for you?

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<v S6>Yes it does. I thank you so much. I really

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<v S6>appreciate that.

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<v S1>Yeah, well, thank you for your call, Stephen. Uh, you know,

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<v S1>I think that's one of the great privileges that we

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<v S1>have as as a child of God that we can

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<v S1>go to the father directly through our great High Priest,

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<v S1>the Lord Jesus, our intercessor, our our great Redeemer. That's

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<v S1>that's a great reminder to why should we pray? Because

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<v S1>God calls us to and we can enter the holy

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<v S1>presence of God through the Lord Jesus. Well, we're going

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<v S1>to come right back with the mailbag, the Febc mailbag,

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<v S1>to hear us coming in. So don't go away. You're

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<v S1>listening to Open Line with Michael Ray Dolnick right here

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<v S1>on Moody Radio. And we're back. It's time for the

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<v S1>Febc mailbag. I'm so grateful that Far Eastern Broadcasting Company

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<v S1>partners with Moody Radio to bring you Open Line, and they, uh,

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<v S1>bring you the Febc mailbag. And joining me now. My name,

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<v S1>by the way, I didn't mention again was Mike is

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<v S1>Michael Ray Dolnick. And joining me is to hear a Haynes.

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<v S1>She is the person who is going to ask the

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<v S1>questions today about the from the mailbag. But I do

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<v S1>want you to check out because they are bringing the

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<v S1>gospel to people all over the world through media and

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<v S1>then also through personal engagement. And they have a wonderful

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<v S1>podcast with Ed Cannon called Until All Have Heard. You

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<v S1>can find it on whatever podcast distributor you have, or

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<v S1>you can go to their website, because that's where I

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<v S1>recommend you go and check out their podcast until all

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<v S1>have heard and to hear how you how you doing?

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<v S7>I am doing well. How are you today?

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<v S1>Great. I'm thinking, uh, you're here a couple of weeks

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<v S1>in a row now. Uh, we're. I think Tricia needs

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<v S1>to read about Wally Pipp. Oh. Do you know who

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<v S1>Wally Pip is?

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<v S7>I don't tell me who Wally Pip is.

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<v S1>Wally Pipp was a first baseman that got injured and

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<v S1>with the Yankees, and he was replaced by a guy

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<v S1>named Lou Gehrig, who played for the next 2130 games

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<v S1>and set a then record for how many games played

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<v S1>in a row. And Wally Pipp lost his job. So, uh,

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<v S1>you know Tricia. She better. This is two weeks in

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<v S1>a row now. Tricia. Better watch out.

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<v S7>So it's okay. No, Tricia is fine. Tricia has been

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<v S7>at NBI, working really hard in Dallas, and she will

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<v S7>definitely be back next week.

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<v S1>Yeah, just tell her about Wally Pipp, okay. And then

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<v S1>she'll be back. That'll be it. Okay. Thank you. Matthew. Okay. Uh,

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<v S1>let's let's go to the questions.

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<v S7>Great, great. Our first question is from Stanley in Alabama,

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<v S7>listening on Wmw. Do Christians in our century need to

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<v S7>keep the Sabbath and teach others to keep it also?

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<v S1>Okay. There are a lot of people who become very

0:28:20.500 --> 0:28:25.389
<v S1>strong about. It's the Sabbath. It's one of the Ten Commandments. Uh, now,

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<v S1>it's really important that we remember that, you know, people

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<v S1>ask me all the time about the Law of Moses,

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<v S1>are we under it or are we not under it?

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<v S1>And my answer is a really resounding yes and no.

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<v S1>And the no part is that as a direct commandment,

0:28:40.570 --> 0:28:43.810
<v S1>we are no longer under the law of Moses, but where,

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<v S1>according to the New Testament, under the law of Christ,

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<v S1>the Messianic Torah, the messianic law, and as a result

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<v S1>of that, uh, the one what is the New covenant

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<v S1>or the Messianic Torah? That's all these commandments in the

0:28:58.420 --> 0:29:03.640
<v S1>New Testament. And it's interesting. Nine of the Ten Commandments

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<v S1>are not are indeed repeated in the New Testament, but

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<v S1>one isn't. And guess which one isn't the Sabbath command?

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<v S1>That's the only one. Uh, and I think it's important

0:29:17.170 --> 0:29:20.510
<v S1>that you realize that everyone realized that the the reason

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<v S1>for that is that the seventh day Sabbath. I mean,

0:29:24.590 --> 0:29:26.330
<v S1>we still have a Sabbath. It's the seventh day of

0:29:26.330 --> 0:29:30.770
<v S1>the week, but the seventh day Sabbath was considered the

0:29:30.770 --> 0:29:35.810
<v S1>sign of the Law of Moses. Uh, it says in

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<v S1>Exodus 31, you must observe my Sabbaths, for it is

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<v S1>a sign between me and you throughout your generations, so

0:29:43.550 --> 0:29:45.200
<v S1>that you will know that I am the Lord who

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:48.020
<v S1>sets you apart. Observe the Sabbath, for it's holy to you.

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<v S1>It's the sign. Verse 1731 17 says, for ever between

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<v S1>me and the Israelites. So it's a Sabbath is the

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<v S1>Sabbath is a sign of the mosaic covenant. Thank you.

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<v S1>And then we're under the New covenant. And so that's

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<v S1>the one. That's the one of the Ten Commandments that

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:09.260
<v S1>is not repeated because it's not the sign of the

0:30:09.260 --> 0:30:13.310
<v S1>New Covenant. It's the sign of the mosaic covenant. Okay.

0:30:13.340 --> 0:30:16.790
<v S1>So that's that's what I would say. So no, we're

0:30:16.790 --> 0:30:21.100
<v S1>not bound like Israel. You know, you couldn't cook or

0:30:21.130 --> 0:30:24.910
<v S1>pick up things or do stuff like that on Sabbath.

0:30:24.910 --> 0:30:29.740
<v S1>That's not our life. However, remember I said, we're not

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<v S1>under the law of Moses. And yes, we are in

0:30:32.140 --> 0:30:36.280
<v S1>the sense that every principle taught in the law of Moses,

0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:41.410
<v S1>every principle, the wisdom principle that governs every command in

0:30:41.410 --> 0:30:45.790
<v S1>the law of Moses is applicable to us. And so

0:30:45.790 --> 0:30:49.210
<v S1>the idea of taking a day off one day a

0:30:49.210 --> 0:30:55.180
<v S1>week for physical rest and spiritual renewal, that's great idea.

0:30:55.180 --> 0:30:58.870
<v S1>That's a wisdom principle. It's something we ought to do.

0:30:59.290 --> 0:31:03.670
<v S1>For example, in Romans 14 it says, one man honors

0:31:03.670 --> 0:31:06.640
<v S1>one day above another. Another views them all alike. Let

0:31:06.670 --> 0:31:10.000
<v S1>each man be convinced in his own mind. So it

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:14.140
<v S1>doesn't have to be on Saturday, but it has to be.

0:31:14.170 --> 0:31:17.250
<v S1>We have to take a day for physical rest and

0:31:17.250 --> 0:31:20.640
<v S1>spiritual renewal. We have to have our own Sabbath. And

0:31:20.670 --> 0:31:23.370
<v S1>you know, if someone wants to do it on Saturday, fine.

0:31:23.850 --> 0:31:27.660
<v S1>You know, uh, a lot of messianic congregations that I

0:31:27.660 --> 0:31:32.490
<v S1>was part of, uh, met on Saturdays for worship and, uh,

0:31:32.790 --> 0:31:37.470
<v S1>and took that day for rest and renewal. Uh, I

0:31:37.470 --> 0:31:42.510
<v S1>was at a church as an interim pastor that had

0:31:42.510 --> 0:31:47.130
<v S1>Saturday night services. And so they took Saturday as well,

0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:50.430
<v S1>you know, and so they met for worship on Saturdays.

0:31:51.330 --> 0:31:56.730
<v S1>The point is, we need a day for rest and renewal,

0:31:56.730 --> 0:31:59.940
<v S1>physical rest, spiritual renewal. It could be Sunday. You know,

0:31:59.970 --> 0:32:02.970
<v S1>for most pastors, it's not Sunday because they're, you know,

0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:08.130
<v S1>especially if there's multiple services. So true. It's not that, uh,

0:32:08.130 --> 0:32:10.740
<v S1>a person could take their day of rest another day.

0:32:10.740 --> 0:32:14.280
<v S1>So those are those are some of the the reasons

0:32:14.280 --> 0:32:16.860
<v S1>I would say. Are we under the Law of Moses? No,

0:32:16.890 --> 0:32:18.240
<v S1>you don't have to keep the Sabbath the way the

0:32:18.270 --> 0:32:21.060
<v S1>Israelites did. It's the sign of the law of Moses,

0:32:21.060 --> 0:32:24.600
<v S1>not the sign of the law of Messiah. But should

0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:26.520
<v S1>we keep the Sabbath? Yes. We need to have our

0:32:26.520 --> 0:32:30.750
<v S1>own Sabbath. A day for physical rest and renewal.

0:32:30.780 --> 0:32:33.480
<v S7>Thank you, Michael, for that response. And thank you, Stanley,

0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:36.600
<v S7>for that question. We have a question from Heidi in

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:40.350
<v S7>Ohio listening through Wtxf. I have always had a heart

0:32:40.350 --> 0:32:43.709
<v S7>for Israel, but since October 7th, I weep for them,

0:32:43.710 --> 0:32:47.040
<v S7>the hostages, the anti-Semitism, and so many other things going

0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:50.670
<v S7>on now. Struggling. She's now struggling with so many hostages

0:32:50.670 --> 0:32:53.640
<v S7>being murdered in the captivity. And she wants to know,

0:32:53.670 --> 0:32:56.430
<v S7>she said. God did not answer the prayers of those

0:32:57.150 --> 0:32:59.940
<v S7>who were praying the Christians, the Jews for everyone to

0:32:59.970 --> 0:33:03.420
<v S7>be released. And she had really hoped that that would

0:33:03.450 --> 0:33:06.990
<v S7>have happened. So her question is why didn't God respond

0:33:07.020 --> 0:33:10.830
<v S7>or answer that? And also, what more can Christians do

0:33:10.830 --> 0:33:13.860
<v S7>to bless Israel in these heartbreaking times?

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<v S1>Well, first of all, for me to answer the mystery

0:33:18.390 --> 0:33:22.200
<v S1>of prayer is beyond my pay grade. Just so you know,

0:33:22.230 --> 0:33:26.940
<v S1>I none of us can explain the mysterious nature of

0:33:26.940 --> 0:33:31.740
<v S1>prayer and how and why. Why and how God answers.

0:33:31.740 --> 0:33:34.320
<v S1>Why does he say yes? There were. There have been

0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:37.260
<v S1>a number of hostages that were rescued, a number of

0:33:37.260 --> 0:33:41.040
<v S1>hostages that have been released. And then there are others

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:46.050
<v S1>that that were murdered by Hamas. Uh, and it's not

0:33:46.050 --> 0:33:50.340
<v S1>just those who are hostages. On the very day of 27,

0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:58.650
<v S1>over 1200 were killed, murdered in that assault. Clearly, people

0:33:58.650 --> 0:34:01.260
<v S1>were praying for the peace of Jerusalem when that happened.

0:34:01.260 --> 0:34:05.250
<v S1>So I don't know the answer to that. I do

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:07.890
<v S1>know that God tells us to pray and not lose heart.

0:34:07.890 --> 0:34:10.260
<v S1>That's what Jesus said in Luke 17. We are to

0:34:10.290 --> 0:34:14.570
<v S1>pray and not lose heart. We are to trust God

0:34:14.570 --> 0:34:20.630
<v S1>for the answers. And you know the mystery of how

0:34:20.660 --> 0:34:25.790
<v S1>God decides what he's going to do. I don't know, uh, but,

0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:29.870
<v S1>you know, God is still calling us to pray, and

0:34:29.870 --> 0:34:32.569
<v S1>we need to do that. I'm amazed, you know, when

0:34:32.570 --> 0:34:37.670
<v S1>I had a prayer for this beloved person to me

0:34:37.700 --> 0:34:41.480
<v S1>and I. I was not worthy. And I cried out

0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:43.640
<v S1>to God. And I said, God, I am not worthy,

0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:47.420
<v S1>but Jesus is. And deliver this person. And that one

0:34:47.420 --> 0:34:51.740
<v S1>time he answered that prayer exactly as I had asked.

0:34:51.770 --> 0:34:55.550
<v S1>Other times he said no to me about things like that.

0:34:56.120 --> 0:35:00.589
<v S1>I don't know. I don't know. Uh, but I just

0:35:00.590 --> 0:35:04.880
<v S1>keep praying because he's the one I rely on. So, uh,

0:35:05.180 --> 0:35:08.299
<v S1>so I'm sorry to say that there's this is a

0:35:08.300 --> 0:35:11.930
<v S1>great mystery, and it's it's not one who can know

0:35:11.930 --> 0:35:16.340
<v S1>the mind of the Lord. None of us. That's it. Yeah. So, uh,

0:35:16.340 --> 0:35:20.060
<v S1>let's let's take this, uh, last this other question here

0:35:20.060 --> 0:35:20.990
<v S1>by Lori. Okay.

0:35:20.989 --> 0:35:23.840
<v S7>Sure. Thank you so much, Lori. Florida. And she's listening

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<v S7>to Wcqs in the Old Testament sacrificial system, were all

0:35:28.610 --> 0:35:30.410
<v S7>animals required to be male?

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<v S1>Yeah. The reason I thought we'd take this is because

0:35:33.620 --> 0:35:38.480
<v S1>it's a quick answer. No, there were female sacrifices, female

0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:48.560
<v S1>animals for sacrifice as well. Leviticus chapter four, verse uh 28.

0:35:48.770 --> 0:35:51.890
<v S1>It says if someone informs him about the sin he

0:35:51.890 --> 0:35:54.799
<v S1>has committed, he's about. Then he's he's to bring an

0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:58.370
<v S1>unblemished female goat as his offering for the sin that

0:35:58.370 --> 0:36:03.560
<v S1>he committed. So that's Leviticus 428, then verse 32, uh,

0:36:03.560 --> 0:36:09.080
<v S1>he's to bring a female lamb. Uh, uh, Leviticus 432

0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:14.900
<v S1>and then Leviticus five six, he must bring his restitution

0:36:14.900 --> 0:36:17.240
<v S1>for the sin he has committed to the Lord. A

0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:21.200
<v S1>female lamb or goat from the flock. So the answer

0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:23.960
<v S1>is no. They didn't all have to be male. Certain

0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:29.150
<v S1>sacrifices required a female sacrifice. And, uh, thank you so

0:36:29.150 --> 0:36:32.719
<v S1>much for bringing those questions into here, Michael. Yeah. You're

0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:35.090
<v S1>listening to Open Line with Michael Radonich. That was to

0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:38.000
<v S1>hear Haines. Uh, you can send your question in by

0:36:38.030 --> 0:36:41.810
<v S1>going to Open Line radio.org and clicking on Ask Michael

0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:44.390
<v S1>a question. That's a great place to post your question.

0:36:44.390 --> 0:36:47.630
<v S1>And Tricia will put it in the mailbag for upcoming week.

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<v S1>We're going to be right back with more of your calls,

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<v S1>with your questions in just a moment. Keep listening to

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<v S1>Open Line. Welcome back to Open Line. Uh, I am

0:37:07.610 --> 0:37:10.000
<v S1>so glad to be with you today, and I'm so

0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:16.779
<v S1>grateful for the the great privilege to talk with you

0:37:16.780 --> 0:37:19.270
<v S1>about so many important things. And I'm grateful that people

0:37:19.300 --> 0:37:23.140
<v S1>ask me questions about Jewish people. But here's a question

0:37:23.140 --> 0:37:26.830
<v S1>that I think Chosen People Ministries gets over and over.

0:37:26.860 --> 0:37:30.460
<v S1>It's how important is it to reach Jewish people with

0:37:30.460 --> 0:37:34.060
<v S1>the Good News and Chosen People ministries keeps getting asked

0:37:34.060 --> 0:37:36.700
<v S1>that question. And so that's why they're offering a booklet

0:37:36.700 --> 0:37:39.760
<v S1>called To the Jew First in the first in the

0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:43.030
<v S1>21st century. It was written by Doctor Al Mohler, who's

0:37:43.030 --> 0:37:49.150
<v S1>the president of Southern Baptist Seminary. This booklet affirms, reaffirms

0:37:49.180 --> 0:37:52.450
<v S1>God's love for the Jewish people. It shows why believers

0:37:52.450 --> 0:37:56.860
<v S1>must continue to present the Messiah, Jesus, to the Jewish people,

0:37:56.860 --> 0:38:00.730
<v S1>why Jewish people need to believe in their very own Messiah,

0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:04.690
<v S1>the Lord Jesus. Doctor Mohler says Jewish evangelism is the

0:38:04.690 --> 0:38:08.410
<v S1>clearest test case for the faithfulness to the gospel of

0:38:08.410 --> 0:38:11.950
<v S1>the Lord Jesus, the Messiah in this generation. That's the

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0:38:17.469 --> 0:38:20.979
<v S1>the Open Line website. That's open Line radio.org. Scroll down

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<v S1>till you see the link that says A free gift

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<v S1>from Chosen People Ministries. And when you click on that,

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<v S1>up for your own copy of To the Jew First

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<v S1>in the 21st century. And we're going to talk with

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<v S1>Mary Lynn in Seville, Ohio, listening on the Moody Radio app. Hey,

0:38:38.260 --> 0:38:40.120
<v S1>Mary Lynn, how can I help you today?

0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:43.600
<v S8>Good morning. Thank you for taking my call.

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<v S1>Hey, wait a second. How did you hear about the

0:38:46.330 --> 0:38:49.720
<v S1>Moody Radio app? That's what I want to know from you.

0:38:50.170 --> 0:38:50.680
<v S9>Uh.

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<v S8>Um, I was in South Carolina at my daughter's, and

0:38:56.830 --> 0:39:01.480
<v S8>I tried to listen to Moody Radio, so that's how

0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:01.989
<v S8>I got it.

0:39:02.020 --> 0:39:05.230
<v S1>Well, you know, that's a cool thing. We live in

0:39:05.230 --> 0:39:09.580
<v S1>a kind of a weird neighborhood in Chicago. And even

0:39:09.610 --> 0:39:13.989
<v S1>though we're really close to the WNBA, my wife listens

0:39:13.989 --> 0:39:18.670
<v S1>on the app because we have terrible reception right in

0:39:18.670 --> 0:39:23.170
<v S1>our little pocket of Chicago. And and we get much

0:39:23.170 --> 0:39:25.420
<v S1>better reception, obviously, on the Moody Radio app. And so

0:39:25.420 --> 0:39:28.540
<v S1>if you're listening out there and you think, I'm leaving

0:39:28.540 --> 0:39:32.830
<v S1>my hometown, I won't have my radio station, uh, or

0:39:32.830 --> 0:39:35.169
<v S1>I just want to get better reception. And I think

0:39:35.170 --> 0:39:37.960
<v S1>I'll do it with, with my iPhone. If I do

0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:41.020
<v S1>that or my smartphone, I should say, uh, best thing

0:39:41.050 --> 0:39:43.390
<v S1>to do get the Moody Radio app, be smart like

0:39:43.390 --> 0:39:47.470
<v S1>Mary Lynn and get the Moody, Moody Radio app.

0:39:48.310 --> 0:39:52.990
<v S8>I can't get w Ciara home. I can get it

0:39:52.989 --> 0:39:55.990
<v S8>in the car, but I can't get it in my home.

0:39:55.989 --> 0:39:57.790
<v S8>So that's why I listen.

0:39:57.820 --> 0:40:02.080
<v S1>Same thing as my wife, right? That's it. Right? That's it. Okay.

0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:03.070
<v S1>How can I help you?

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<v S8>Yeah. Okay. I have a question about the timing of

0:40:07.200 --> 0:40:11.580
<v S8>the Israelites crossing the Red sea. Did God hold the

0:40:11.580 --> 0:40:15.870
<v S8>Egyptians back the whole time they were crossing? And how

0:40:15.870 --> 0:40:20.100
<v S8>long would that take for the 2 million plus Israelites

0:40:20.100 --> 0:40:21.959
<v S8>to cross the Red sea?

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<v S1>Well, it doesn't say in the Bible. Uh, I don't

0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:31.739
<v S1>know how long it took. Uh, you know, just to

0:40:31.770 --> 0:40:35.910
<v S1>be honest, that if Moses thought that was important, he

0:40:35.910 --> 0:40:39.660
<v S1>would have told us. Apparently, he didn't think it was crucial.

0:40:39.690 --> 0:40:43.230
<v S1>You know, in terms of, uh, there's a selectivity. This

0:40:43.230 --> 0:40:46.739
<v S1>is this is really important for us to understand. It's

0:40:46.739 --> 0:40:50.009
<v S1>the principle of selection. And a lot of people just

0:40:50.010 --> 0:40:54.000
<v S1>want to know the details. Uh, like Fanny Brice, you know.

0:40:54.210 --> 0:40:57.180
<v S1>Do you remember Fanny Brice, the old comedian on radio? Uh,

0:40:57.180 --> 0:40:59.820
<v S1>I used to listen to a lot of old radio tapes.

0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:05.280
<v S1>She y y she asked a million questions. And the

0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:08.130
<v S1>the the funny thing about, by the way, the movie

0:41:08.130 --> 0:41:13.200
<v S1>Funny Girl is about Fanny Brice, but, uh, Baby Snooks

0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:17.400
<v S1>was the character that she played. But, uh, the funny

0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:21.450
<v S1>part to me here is that people don't know that

0:41:21.450 --> 0:41:27.330
<v S1>when biblical narrative, it's not to answer our curiosity, it's

0:41:27.330 --> 0:41:31.140
<v S1>to tell us what's most important. And so it doesn't say.

0:41:31.140 --> 0:41:36.720
<v S1>I think that obviously the 600 chariots were were really

0:41:36.719 --> 0:41:40.350
<v S1>making some some dust in the distance. And the Israelites

0:41:40.380 --> 0:41:45.330
<v S1>saw it and they cried out. And Moses says in

0:41:45.330 --> 0:41:48.090
<v S1>Exodus 14, don't be afraid. Stand firm and see the

0:41:48.090 --> 0:41:51.240
<v S1>Lord's salvation. He will provide for you today for the Egyptians.

0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:53.759
<v S1>You see today you will never see again. The Lord

0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:56.610
<v S1>will fight for you, and you must be quiet. And

0:41:56.610 --> 0:42:00.270
<v S1>so then he's you know, one of my favorite verses

0:42:00.270 --> 0:42:04.120
<v S1>in the Bible is Exodus 1415. The Lord said to Moses,

0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:06.219
<v S1>why are you crying out to me? Tell the Israelites

0:42:06.219 --> 0:42:09.279
<v S1>to break camp. In other words, stop talking and start

0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:14.469
<v S1>walking is what what he says. Uh, and, uh, and

0:42:14.469 --> 0:42:17.080
<v S1>that's that's what he does. And the angel of God,

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<v S1>who was going in front of the Israelite forces, moved

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<v S1>and went behind them. The pillar of cloud of cloud

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<v S1>moved from in front of them and stood behind them.

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<v S1>It came between the Egyptian and Israelite forces. The cloud

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<v S1>was there in the darkness, yet it lit up the night.

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<v S1>So neither group came near the other all night long.

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<v S1>So how long did it take? It took all night long.

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<v S1>How long is that? I don't know, but, uh, what

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<v S1>kept the Israelites from being attacked by the Egyptians was

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<v S1>the darkness of the pillar of cloud. So there was

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<v S1>a blockade there, so to speak. Okay.

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<v S8>Okay. I knew this was not a Necessary question, but

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<v S8>I was just always curious.

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<v S1>Yeah, well, you're curious, right? But, you know, we have

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<v S1>a little hint there. It told us all night long. Right? Right.

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<v S1>And and yes, God did hold the Egyptians back because

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<v S1>of the pillar of cloud. I'd be afraid to walk

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<v S1>into a pillar of cloud too, wouldn't you?

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<v S8>Of course. Yes.

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<v S1>Yeah. Yeah. Hey, thanks for your call. Uh, Mary Lynn,

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<v S1>thank you. Appreciate it. Uh, we're going to talk to

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<v S1>Daniel in Tennessee, listening on NRB. Welcome to Open Line, Daniel.

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<v S1>How can I help you?

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<v S10>Thank you. Doctor. Uh, thank you for taking my call.

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<v S10>God bless you. Um, I have a simple question. Well,

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<v S10>it's not a simple question. I have a new friend who, um,

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<v S10>recently told me. Hey, you know, I don't agree with

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<v S10>what you're teaching in the Bible study because I follow

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<v S10>what preterist view, and I didn't know what that was.

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<v S10>Started studying. And I don't necessarily agree with it, but

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<v S10>I want before I ask for your perspective, I just

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<v S10>want to say that I approach matters like this with

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<v S10>humility and ask for God's wisdom. And I don't believe

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<v S10>things like this about end time views or perspectives should

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<v S10>be divisive in the church. So if I could kindly

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<v S10>ask for your perspective, please.

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<v S1>Yeah, I don't think it should be divisive in the church,

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<v S1>but it's disappointing to me, to people who that people

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<v S1>do take the predatorist view, for example, predatorist for people

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<v S1>who are sitting on what in the world is that

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<v S1>a new part for my car? No. Predatorism is the

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<v S1>belief that the events, for example, in Matthew 24, were

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<v S1>fulfilled in the past, or that the book of revelation,

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<v S1>the interpretation of revelation four through 22 is our our

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<v S1>predicted and fulfilled in the past. So, for example, in

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<v S1>Matthew 24, When it talks about the Lord's return, they

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<v S1>would say the Lord did return in A.D. 70. He

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<v S1>returned in judgment. And so the return of the Lord

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<v S1>was the destruction of Jerusalem, and not the deliverance of Israel,

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<v S1>as predicted in in the Hebrew Bible and predicted in

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<v S1>Zechariah 12 and places like that. Rather, he returned in

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<v S1>judgment on Israel. Revelation four through uh 19 is frequently

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<v S1>taken as partial predatorism that all those events of the

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<v S1>tribulation period were fulfilled in A.D. 70, when Jerusalem was destroyed. And, uh,

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<v S1>and it just happened. It just such a problem because

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<v S1>there were full preterists about the book of revelation. But

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<v S1>it's so clearly about the coming of the Lord Jesus

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<v S1>that they had to say, well, okay, in chapter 20

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<v S1>it starts being about the return of the Lord Jesus, uh,

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<v S1>yet future. But yeah, it just seemed to me that

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<v S1>it's clear that this is about the future and we

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<v S1>don't have to, uh, we don't have to worry about that. Well, uh,

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<v S1>shouldn't divide us, but I do think it should guide

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<v S1>us that we're we're we're able to see the return

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<v S1>of the Lord Jesus. Hey, thanks for your question, Daniel.

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