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Welcome to In the Market with Janet Partial. 44 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,160 S1: So glad you're joining us this hour. Okay. Pull up 45 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,000 S1: a chair. We're going to think critically and biblically. Note 46 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,079 S1: to file not a multiple choice test, not an either or. 47 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,399 S1: It is a both end. And I love people who 48 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,320 S1: challenge us to think biblically. We have to be prepared 49 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,119 S1: to give a reason for the hope that resides within us. 50 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,960 S1: The book of Jude. We are to contend for the faith. 51 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,079 S1: We are to know what we believe and why we 52 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,320 S1: believe it. And that doesn't come by haphazardly. It comes 53 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,200 S1: by studying and spending time in the Word of God. 54 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,440 S1: So I don't know where you live, and I'm talking 55 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,600 S1: to people all across the country right now, but maybe 56 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,560 S1: somewhere in your neck of the woods, you've driven past 57 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,000 S1: a billboard. Um, and on this billboard, you've seen these 58 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:53,240 S1: words Jesus is not God. Scripture says Jesus did not 59 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,040 S1: preexist in heaven. Now, I'm not going to tell you 60 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:57,720 S1: who put that out right now. Maybe we'll get into 61 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,399 S1: that later in the broadcast. But I love stuff like 62 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,200 S1: that in that I'm loathed because it's a lie from 63 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,679 S1: the pit of hell. Number one, number two. But I 64 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,799 S1: like it because for me, as the consumer, it makes 65 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,480 S1: me have to dig into the word to say, is 66 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,600 S1: that statement right or wrong? And how would I know? Well, 67 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,000 S1: thank you, D.L. Moody, for calling the Word of God 68 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,760 S1: the straight stick of truth. So you take out the 69 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,959 S1: Word of God and you read it, and you find 70 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,560 S1: out whether or not that declaration is correct or incorrect. 71 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,680 S1: I don't know when all else fails, read the instructions. 72 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,160 S1: John one in the beginning was the word, and the 73 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,720 S1: word was with God, and the word was God. He 74 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,680 S1: was with God in the beginning. Well, I would say 75 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,960 S1: that Jesus preexisted and I would also say that Jesus 76 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,960 S1: is God. This goes right to the heart of the 77 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,320 S1: triune nature of our Most High King. So who's putting 78 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,320 S1: these billboards up? Why are they putting up? And the 79 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,160 S1: big transcendent question here is not really the people putting 80 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,600 S1: this out, but really it's the question that is God 81 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,910 S1: a liar? Or is what he says in his word immutable, transcendent, 82 00:03:55,910 --> 00:03:58,470 S1: applicable to all people in all times and all place 83 00:03:58,470 --> 00:04:02,190 S1: and infallible. An important word you don't use in everyday conversation, 84 00:04:02,190 --> 00:04:06,150 S1: but it means without air. So if Jesus is not God, 85 00:04:06,150 --> 00:04:09,030 S1: then there is no triune nature to who God is. 86 00:04:09,230 --> 00:04:12,230 S1: And yet, sadly, there are groups out there who think that, 87 00:04:12,230 --> 00:04:14,390 S1: by the way, they have a quote. Here's a 50 88 00:04:14,430 --> 00:04:18,870 S1: cent theological word, a nontrinitarian perspective. What does that all mean? Well, 89 00:04:18,870 --> 00:04:20,589 S1: I'm not going to break it down for you. I'm 90 00:04:20,589 --> 00:04:22,469 S1: going to break it down for a man who just 91 00:04:22,470 --> 00:04:25,070 S1: literally gets on his bike, goes out there with his dog, 92 00:04:25,110 --> 00:04:27,750 S1: puts a pair of sunglasses on his dog, I think 93 00:04:27,790 --> 00:04:30,470 S1: partly because he's protecting the dog, partly because it's so cute. 94 00:04:30,470 --> 00:04:32,430 S1: Who wouldn't stop, want to stop and talk to a 95 00:04:32,430 --> 00:04:34,870 S1: man who's got a dog on a bike with a 96 00:04:34,870 --> 00:04:37,270 S1: pair of sunglasses? Right? You know him and you love 97 00:04:37,270 --> 00:04:41,029 S1: him as Ray comfort. He's the man behind Living Waters ministry. 98 00:04:41,029 --> 00:04:44,430 S1: So grateful for this ministry. Oh, my word, he founded it. 99 00:04:44,470 --> 00:04:46,870 S1: He's their CEO. He's the best selling author of close 100 00:04:46,870 --> 00:04:49,390 S1: to 100 books now. A bunch of them, including How 101 00:04:49,390 --> 00:04:52,790 S1: to Know God Exists and the Evidence Bible, of course. Also, 102 00:04:52,870 --> 00:04:55,110 S1: he's the co-host of the award winning program way of 103 00:04:55,110 --> 00:04:57,990 S1: the master. It airs in every country around the world. 104 00:04:58,029 --> 00:05:00,669 S1: I love his ability to put his ear to the 105 00:05:00,670 --> 00:05:03,110 S1: railroad track and say, what are they talking about in 106 00:05:03,110 --> 00:05:05,029 S1: the culture? How can I meet them in the marketplace 107 00:05:05,029 --> 00:05:07,830 S1: of ideas and respond and use that as an open door? 108 00:05:07,830 --> 00:05:12,669 S1: So through his multi-million viewed YouTube channel, you can watch 109 00:05:12,670 --> 00:05:15,590 S1: Ray comfort on a wide variety of topics I do. 110 00:05:15,630 --> 00:05:18,990 S1: It's automatically set on my YouTube, and I just end 111 00:05:19,029 --> 00:05:20,830 S1: most of my days by sitting down and watching who 112 00:05:20,870 --> 00:05:23,190 S1: Ray's talked to lately and what he's talked about. One 113 00:05:23,190 --> 00:05:25,830 S1: of the things he talked about lately were these billboards. 114 00:05:25,830 --> 00:05:29,630 S1: Who's behind the Jesus is not God billboards? And in 115 00:05:29,630 --> 00:05:31,830 S1: his inimitable style, he takes you right to the core 116 00:05:31,830 --> 00:05:33,510 S1: of the gospel, and he takes you right out to 117 00:05:33,550 --> 00:05:36,670 S1: the streets where he talks to people about who Jesus is. 118 00:05:36,870 --> 00:05:38,630 S1: I'm glad we get to spend the hour with Ray. 119 00:05:38,630 --> 00:05:41,510 S1: There's some of the most enjoyable conversations I have on radio. Ray. 120 00:05:41,510 --> 00:05:44,950 S1: The warmest of welcomes. I'm thrilled you're here. So it's 121 00:05:44,950 --> 00:05:46,909 S1: a foolish question, but maybe it tells me some things 122 00:05:46,910 --> 00:05:50,110 S1: about your detective skills. How did you pick up on 123 00:05:50,110 --> 00:05:52,630 S1: these billboards? Have you seen one personally, or are you 124 00:05:52,710 --> 00:05:55,710 S1: watching social media where this keeps showing up? In a conversation. 125 00:05:56,350 --> 00:05:59,830 S6: I had here to a railway line and the train came. 126 00:06:02,630 --> 00:06:05,030 S7: What? I think you'd pick up on that. 127 00:06:06,270 --> 00:06:10,070 S6: Don't lie on it too long with your ear on me. 128 00:06:10,150 --> 00:06:12,470 S7: Because you're no use to anybody if that happens. 129 00:06:12,510 --> 00:06:15,830 S6: That's good. Yeah. No, someone sent me a text, a 130 00:06:16,470 --> 00:06:18,870 S6: picture by text, and he says you should do something 131 00:06:18,870 --> 00:06:22,230 S6: about this. And so I decided to do something about it, 132 00:06:22,230 --> 00:06:24,950 S6: and we, we put a video up, but it's, uh, 133 00:06:25,029 --> 00:06:27,550 S6: it makes you mad that someone would be so zealous 134 00:06:27,550 --> 00:06:30,510 S6: of something so anti-biblical and make out that it's biblical. 135 00:06:30,510 --> 00:06:32,789 S6: Jesus is not God. Did I ever tell you about 136 00:06:32,790 --> 00:06:34,150 S6: the billboard I defaced? 137 00:06:34,910 --> 00:06:36,830 S1: No. I'd love to hear. I'm all ears. 138 00:06:37,310 --> 00:06:37,990 S6: Okay. 139 00:06:38,029 --> 00:06:39,950 S7: You all not on a railroad track. 140 00:06:40,310 --> 00:06:47,349 S6: You poor thing. Anyway, just brush your hair over them. Um, yeah. 141 00:06:47,350 --> 00:06:49,230 S6: This is about 20 years ago. I was with my 142 00:06:49,350 --> 00:06:52,469 S6: daughter in a car. My wife was driving and she says, oh, dad, 143 00:06:52,470 --> 00:06:54,750 S6: don't look at that billboard. I looked at it. It 144 00:06:54,750 --> 00:06:57,230 S6: was terrible. I shouldn't have looked. And it was a lady. 145 00:06:57,270 --> 00:07:01,790 S6: It was advertising an upcoming ABC special on Cleopatra, and 146 00:07:01,790 --> 00:07:05,110 S6: she was just lying there almost completely naked, except for 147 00:07:05,110 --> 00:07:08,510 S6: a little something on top of her legs at the 148 00:07:08,510 --> 00:07:10,990 S6: back or something. So I went to Home Depot and 149 00:07:10,990 --> 00:07:13,150 S6: purchased an 18 foot ladder, and I went and purchased 150 00:07:13,150 --> 00:07:15,470 S6: a great big orange blanket and a big stapler. At 151 00:07:15,470 --> 00:07:18,110 S6: 6 a.m. in the morning. I climbed up there and 152 00:07:18,110 --> 00:07:20,870 S6: I covered that naked woman's body with a blanket. Any 153 00:07:20,870 --> 00:07:23,510 S6: gentleman would have done the same thing. Almost killed myself. 154 00:07:23,550 --> 00:07:26,670 S6: I didn't realize how powerful one of those staple guns are. 155 00:07:26,710 --> 00:07:29,110 S6: They push you back. And I just thought, well, look, 156 00:07:29,150 --> 00:07:34,630 S6: governor evangelist, under blanket, under dirty billboard. How did he 157 00:07:34,670 --> 00:07:38,590 S6: get there? Anyway, then I sent a release to ABC 158 00:07:38,630 --> 00:07:41,070 S6: television saying, come and get me, take me to court 159 00:07:41,070 --> 00:07:43,030 S6: because I want to have you in court to say, 160 00:07:43,030 --> 00:07:46,030 S6: why did you put a porn billboard in my neighborhood 161 00:07:46,030 --> 00:07:48,950 S6: when my daughter and my wife walking the streets. When 162 00:07:48,950 --> 00:07:51,510 S6: you stir up some lusty guy with your dirty billboard. 163 00:07:51,510 --> 00:07:54,310 S6: They didn't do it. I was disappointed. But the point 164 00:07:54,310 --> 00:07:57,550 S6: of telling the story is this I wouldn't encourage people 165 00:07:57,550 --> 00:08:00,190 S6: to do that because it's against the law. But I 166 00:08:00,190 --> 00:08:03,190 S6: was just thrilled when I saw some guy climbed up 167 00:08:03,190 --> 00:08:05,870 S6: one of these billboards that says, Jesus is not God, 168 00:08:05,870 --> 00:08:09,110 S6: and they covered up the word not. So the billboard said, 169 00:08:09,110 --> 00:08:10,310 S6: Jesus is God. 170 00:08:10,670 --> 00:08:13,990 S1: Exactly right. And by the way, it is a crime. 171 00:08:14,030 --> 00:08:16,870 S1: It is. I mean, I like you, I applaud exactly 172 00:08:16,870 --> 00:08:19,390 S1: what it did, because now the truth is on that billboard. 173 00:08:19,550 --> 00:08:21,710 S1: But I thought to myself, well, don't be upset. Now, 174 00:08:21,710 --> 00:08:23,350 S1: when the police knock on your door and say you've 175 00:08:23,350 --> 00:08:25,550 S1: been defacing property and that's a crime, and we're going 176 00:08:25,550 --> 00:08:27,190 S1: to have to just take you down to the police 177 00:08:27,190 --> 00:08:29,350 S1: station for a little bit. But it does go to 178 00:08:29,390 --> 00:08:31,670 S1: the bigger question when we come back. Ray, I loved 179 00:08:31,670 --> 00:08:34,030 S1: what you did because you really gave us a one 180 00:08:34,070 --> 00:08:36,390 S1: in in the videotape. Aside from showing us how to 181 00:08:36,429 --> 00:08:40,350 S1: really talk to people about salvation, you give a background 182 00:08:40,350 --> 00:08:43,790 S1: on Nontrinitarianism and some of the groups out there that 183 00:08:43,790 --> 00:08:45,949 S1: subscribe to it, and I just want to know why, 184 00:08:46,550 --> 00:08:49,510 S1: where it comes from. And then because we want to 185 00:08:49,510 --> 00:08:51,790 S1: be good apologists, knowing what we believe and why we 186 00:08:51,790 --> 00:08:54,830 S1: believe it, how can we say definitively that we know 187 00:08:54,830 --> 00:08:57,990 S1: that God has a triune nature? All of this raised 188 00:08:57,990 --> 00:08:59,670 S1: by these billboards. And by the way, this is a 189 00:08:59,670 --> 00:09:03,070 S1: very interesting group and their doctrine. I've been to their website, 190 00:09:03,070 --> 00:09:08,150 S1: I've read their beliefs. Um, just that's all I can say. 191 00:09:08,190 --> 00:09:09,910 S1: Great comforts with us for the whole hour. And I'm 192 00:09:09,910 --> 00:09:12,190 S1: glad because he'll get you to think critically and biblically 193 00:09:12,190 --> 00:09:38,229 S1: back after this. How does our view of God get distorted? 194 00:09:38,230 --> 00:09:40,750 S1: Do you struggle with feeling close to God? Well, that's 195 00:09:40,750 --> 00:09:43,510 S1: why I've chosen secure how to have a healthy attachment 196 00:09:43,510 --> 00:09:46,190 S1: to God as this month's truth tool. Discover how to 197 00:09:46,230 --> 00:09:49,070 S1: counter the lies about the truth of God's character. Ask 198 00:09:49,070 --> 00:09:51,270 S1: for your copy of secure. When you give a gift 199 00:09:51,270 --> 00:09:55,069 S1: of any amount to in the market, call 877 58. 200 00:09:55,070 --> 00:09:58,949 S1: That's eight 7758 or go to in the market with 201 00:09:58,950 --> 00:10:06,390 S1: Janet Parshall. So these billboards have shown up in California, 202 00:10:06,390 --> 00:10:09,350 S1: Georgia and in other states. It's put out by a 203 00:10:09,350 --> 00:10:14,309 S1: group that claims this message Jesus is not God is 204 00:10:14,309 --> 00:10:17,949 S1: a part of a four billboard theme that dares to quote, 205 00:10:17,990 --> 00:10:22,550 S1: shatter the chains of long held misconceptions. So in addition 206 00:10:22,550 --> 00:10:25,190 S1: to this, Jesus is not God. It adds the text 207 00:10:25,230 --> 00:10:29,590 S1: Jesus did not preexist in heaven. And, uh, they also 208 00:10:29,630 --> 00:10:32,949 S1: have one that attacks Trinitarian theology and another that promotes 209 00:10:32,950 --> 00:10:37,430 S1: the so-called flat Earth theory. We probably could leave it there. Uh, 210 00:10:37,429 --> 00:10:40,350 S1: according to the group, the messages are, quote, not mere slogans, 211 00:10:40,390 --> 00:10:43,589 S1: but rather, quote, a clarion call to awaken hearts and 212 00:10:43,590 --> 00:10:46,990 S1: minds to the radiant truth of the Scripture. Okay, then 213 00:10:46,990 --> 00:10:49,430 S1: we'll meet you in the marketplace of ideas. Because as 214 00:10:49,429 --> 00:10:51,709 S1: you've said and you said in response to an article 215 00:10:51,710 --> 00:10:54,110 S1: that the Christian Post wrote on this way that the 216 00:10:54,110 --> 00:10:57,310 S1: Bible does not support this idea by any stretch of 217 00:10:57,309 --> 00:11:00,430 S1: the imagination. And this is this is a heretical teaching. 218 00:11:00,429 --> 00:11:01,590 S1: So talk to me about this. 219 00:11:02,190 --> 00:11:04,550 S6: Yeah, I think the sun is flat. Actually, I haven't 220 00:11:04,550 --> 00:11:06,470 S6: really told anyone. So this is. 221 00:11:08,630 --> 00:11:10,750 S1: Which is why I put the sunglasses on the dog. 222 00:11:11,230 --> 00:11:16,870 S6: Been looking at it. It's just it's kind of like. Yeah. Um. 223 00:11:16,990 --> 00:11:20,550 S6: It's crazy. You know, I think. What a stupid waste 224 00:11:20,550 --> 00:11:22,589 S6: of money. Why didn't they put the gospel up there? 225 00:11:22,630 --> 00:11:24,030 S6: You know, the Son of Man has come to seek 226 00:11:24,030 --> 00:11:26,270 S6: and save that which is lost. Repent, put your trust 227 00:11:26,270 --> 00:11:29,030 S6: in Jesus. Find everlasting life. The gift of God is 228 00:11:29,030 --> 00:11:31,829 S6: eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. It's something to 229 00:11:31,870 --> 00:11:34,190 S6: reach the lost. But no, they're out just to say 230 00:11:34,230 --> 00:11:37,270 S6: Jesus is not God and the earth is flat and whatever. 231 00:11:37,550 --> 00:11:39,550 S6: It's just crazy. It just shows where their hearts at. 232 00:11:39,550 --> 00:11:43,580 S6: They've got no concern for the lost, But Jesus walked 233 00:11:43,580 --> 00:11:47,500 S6: on water. That's a sign that he's got. Jesus raised 234 00:11:47,500 --> 00:11:49,939 S6: the dead. Do you know what Lazarus's first words were 235 00:11:49,980 --> 00:11:51,260 S6: when he was raised from the dead? 236 00:11:51,700 --> 00:11:52,060 S1: Mm. 237 00:11:53,059 --> 00:11:59,060 S6: Cancelled the check to the undertaker. Get it back now. 238 00:12:03,900 --> 00:12:07,340 S1: So obviously he's God. Only God can raise those from 239 00:12:07,340 --> 00:12:10,500 S1: the dead. So that's another indication of his divinity, correct? 240 00:12:10,820 --> 00:12:13,900 S6: Yeah. And not only that, there's so many scriptures. Jehovah's 241 00:12:13,900 --> 00:12:16,300 S6: witnesses that used out of context that don't make sense. 242 00:12:16,420 --> 00:12:18,780 S6: One of the one of the key verses they say 243 00:12:18,780 --> 00:12:20,820 S6: to Jesus is not God. That he was a created 244 00:12:20,820 --> 00:12:24,500 S6: being is where Jesus said, The Father is greater than I, 245 00:12:24,820 --> 00:12:27,820 S6: and there you are. God's greater than Jesus. But what 246 00:12:27,820 --> 00:12:30,820 S6: they don't realize in the context of Scripture, but we 247 00:12:30,820 --> 00:12:33,900 S6: see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the 248 00:12:33,900 --> 00:12:37,420 S6: angels for the suffering of death, or even atheists. They say, 249 00:12:37,420 --> 00:12:39,580 S6: are you saying that God talked to himself in the 250 00:12:39,700 --> 00:12:42,900 S6: garden when Jesus prayed. Now when God, the upholder of 251 00:12:42,900 --> 00:12:46,740 S6: the universe, became a man, when he filled that body 252 00:12:46,740 --> 00:12:48,660 S6: as a hand, fills the glove for the purpose of 253 00:12:48,660 --> 00:12:52,260 S6: destroying death, he didn't cease to be God, the upholder 254 00:12:52,260 --> 00:12:55,900 S6: of the universe. And then Jesus ascended back. There's another 255 00:12:55,900 --> 00:12:58,660 S6: sign that he's got. If you go, sir. Beam me up, Scotty. 256 00:12:58,700 --> 00:13:01,660 S6: Up he goes. Up, up to glory from the earth. 257 00:13:01,980 --> 00:13:03,980 S6: And so you just have to read Scripture. And the 258 00:13:03,980 --> 00:13:05,980 S6: ones that you cited in the beginning was the word, 259 00:13:05,980 --> 00:13:08,420 S6: and the word was with God, and the word was God. 260 00:13:08,460 --> 00:13:11,420 S6: There's not a God in there. And then there's second Timothy, 261 00:13:11,660 --> 00:13:14,660 S6: chapter three, verse 16, or first Timothy, not sure which one, 262 00:13:14,660 --> 00:13:19,939 S6: but it says God was manifest in the flesh. That's very, 263 00:13:19,940 --> 00:13:24,260 S6: very clear. And so, uh, it just annoys me. They 264 00:13:24,300 --> 00:13:27,860 S6: they do this because they're, um, you know, I better 265 00:13:27,860 --> 00:13:30,699 S6: be careful what the word idiot came to mind. I thought, 266 00:13:30,700 --> 00:13:32,620 S6: that's not good for a Christian to say that. 267 00:13:33,700 --> 00:13:38,020 S1: Well, you know, when all else fails, read the instructions. So, again, uh, 268 00:13:38,100 --> 00:13:41,380 S1: if you're an organization that purports to believe in scriptures, 269 00:13:41,380 --> 00:13:43,940 S1: by the way, the word Jesus is never used with 270 00:13:43,940 --> 00:13:47,060 S1: this group. It's always referred to as Yahweh, which I 271 00:13:47,059 --> 00:13:49,780 S1: think is interesting. It must just keep you up at nights. 272 00:13:49,780 --> 00:13:51,900 S1: Then when Jesus makes the declaration in the word, I 273 00:13:51,900 --> 00:13:54,140 S1: and my father are one. Or if you've seen the. 274 00:13:54,179 --> 00:13:56,860 S1: If you've seen me, you've seen the father. That's pretty 275 00:13:56,860 --> 00:13:58,339 S1: inexorable evidence, isn't it? 276 00:13:58,780 --> 00:14:01,540 S6: Yeah. And the Holy Spirit will speak of me, Jesus said. 277 00:14:01,580 --> 00:14:03,300 S6: And I noticed when I became a Christian, it was 278 00:14:03,300 --> 00:14:05,500 S6: just weird. Before I was a Christian, I guess I 279 00:14:05,500 --> 00:14:08,340 S6: was egocentric, just slightly. I used to sign my name 280 00:14:08,340 --> 00:14:11,580 S6: all the time. Ray. Ray. Comfort. When I was doodling, 281 00:14:11,620 --> 00:14:14,300 S6: instead of doing circles or squares, I'd just write Ray comfort. 282 00:14:14,300 --> 00:14:16,980 S6: When I became a Christian. I noticed I was writing 283 00:14:16,980 --> 00:14:21,620 S6: Jesus just subconsciously. And I thought, well, how cool is that? 284 00:14:21,620 --> 00:14:24,740 S6: The name of Jesus is so sweet. Some of the 285 00:14:24,740 --> 00:14:27,580 S6: most beautiful songs I've ever heard. It's a lovely, lovely name. 286 00:14:27,580 --> 00:14:31,660 S6: The name of Jesus. And it grieves me when people, um, 287 00:14:33,260 --> 00:14:35,700 S6: you know, Jesus is the only person in history who 288 00:14:35,700 --> 00:14:38,700 S6: has name used as a cuss word. There's nobody else. 289 00:14:38,740 --> 00:14:42,340 S6: Not Hitler, not Napoleon, not Mother Teresa, not nobody. Only 290 00:14:42,340 --> 00:14:44,700 S6: Jesus has his name used as a cuss word. Isn't 291 00:14:44,700 --> 00:14:48,460 S6: that crazy? And that's because Satan hates Jesus because of 292 00:14:48,500 --> 00:14:51,140 S6: who he is and what he did. He released the 293 00:14:51,140 --> 00:14:55,660 S6: captives that he had held in death. And Jesus said, 294 00:14:55,660 --> 00:14:57,460 S6: why the world hates him. He said in John seven 295 00:14:57,500 --> 00:15:00,540 S6: verse seven, the world hates me because I testify of 296 00:15:00,540 --> 00:15:03,140 S6: its deeds that they're evil. So the world hates Jesus 297 00:15:03,140 --> 00:15:04,980 S6: and uses his name as a cuss word for the 298 00:15:04,980 --> 00:15:07,980 S6: same reason criminals hate the police. They stand for righteousness, 299 00:15:07,980 --> 00:15:10,940 S6: and criminals don't. Sinners stand for love of sin, and 300 00:15:10,940 --> 00:15:13,340 S6: they know that God stands for righteousness in Christ. 301 00:15:13,500 --> 00:15:16,220 S1: Wow, can I linger here? Because that's such an important point, 302 00:15:16,220 --> 00:15:19,220 S1: and it might seem so self-evident to some and elusive 303 00:15:19,220 --> 00:15:21,540 S1: to others. So let me give you an example. Well, 304 00:15:21,580 --> 00:15:23,820 S1: we've got a bunch of cameras now that are following 305 00:15:23,820 --> 00:15:26,620 S1: a group of Buddhist monks. They started in Fort Worth, Texas, 306 00:15:26,620 --> 00:15:30,140 S1: and they're walking all the way to Washington, D.C., and 307 00:15:30,140 --> 00:15:33,619 S1: just arrived today in Washington, D.C. they are, quote, walking 308 00:15:33,620 --> 00:15:36,340 S1: for peace. They've got the streets cleared. They have a 309 00:15:36,340 --> 00:15:38,820 S1: police accompanying them. There are people who are weeping as 310 00:15:38,820 --> 00:15:41,620 S1: they walk by. They're handing flowers to these people. And 311 00:15:41,620 --> 00:15:44,980 S1: I'm thinking, because I'm really believing that these walking monks 312 00:15:44,980 --> 00:15:48,140 S1: are going to bring us world peace. They're being deified, 313 00:15:48,140 --> 00:15:50,340 S1: they're being honored. They're being glorified. If they're a bunch 314 00:15:50,340 --> 00:15:53,260 S1: of Christians walking down the street handing out gospel pamphlets. 315 00:15:53,300 --> 00:15:55,660 S1: It wouldn't happen. But nobody is taking the name of 316 00:15:55,660 --> 00:15:59,220 S1: Buddha as a curse word. In fact, as as repulsive 317 00:15:59,220 --> 00:16:01,780 S1: as it is on the Bible speaks very clearly about 318 00:16:01,780 --> 00:16:03,500 S1: how that is an offense to the Lord when we 319 00:16:03,500 --> 00:16:06,660 S1: talk like that. It is. It's reminding us that there 320 00:16:06,660 --> 00:16:09,940 S1: is spiritual warfare, because no other false gods name is 321 00:16:09,940 --> 00:16:12,180 S1: ever taken as a curse word. It's only his name 322 00:16:12,180 --> 00:16:13,660 S1: over and over and over again. 323 00:16:14,180 --> 00:16:16,180 S6: And the peace that the world wants is a peace 324 00:16:16,180 --> 00:16:20,380 S6: without God. Buddhism, in essence, is actually atheistic. They don't 325 00:16:20,380 --> 00:16:23,340 S6: have a belief in a creator. And so they're wanting 326 00:16:23,340 --> 00:16:27,140 S6: peace without God, which is an abomination. We want, as 327 00:16:27,140 --> 00:16:30,020 S6: Christians peace with God, and that's why it's offensive. We 328 00:16:30,020 --> 00:16:33,260 S6: say there's a gospel of peace. We preach the gospel 329 00:16:33,300 --> 00:16:36,700 S6: of peace because God's wrath abides upon sinners and will 330 00:16:36,700 --> 00:16:40,660 S6: never have peace with or without peace with God. And 331 00:16:40,660 --> 00:16:42,900 S6: so the Pope should be leading up this whole stack 332 00:16:42,900 --> 00:16:45,740 S6: of Buddhists with his popemobile, because he keeps talking about 333 00:16:45,740 --> 00:16:46,740 S6: peace every year. 334 00:16:47,820 --> 00:16:50,540 S1: That's right. And but like you just said, peace without 335 00:16:50,540 --> 00:16:53,980 S1: Jesus is utterly meaningless. It's temporal. And by the way, 336 00:16:54,140 --> 00:16:57,660 S1: peace understands that there's conflict between human beings. How is 337 00:16:57,660 --> 00:17:00,500 S1: that resolved when the heart is transformed? That's exactly what 338 00:17:00,500 --> 00:17:03,340 S1: happens when you come to know Christ as your personal savior. Ray, 339 00:17:03,340 --> 00:17:05,780 S1: comfort is with us. So these billboards are the catalyst 340 00:17:05,780 --> 00:17:07,620 S1: for the start of our conversation, but it really goes 341 00:17:07,619 --> 00:17:11,459 S1: much deeper than that. Who is Jesus? And if you 342 00:17:11,500 --> 00:17:13,419 S1: knew you were going to die, you had three minutes 343 00:17:13,420 --> 00:17:16,100 S1: to live. I'm taking this right out of Ray's video. 344 00:17:16,260 --> 00:17:17,979 S1: If you had three minutes to live, what would you 345 00:17:17,980 --> 00:17:19,979 S1: need to do to be saved? Maybe that's a question 346 00:17:19,980 --> 00:17:42,619 S1: worth pondering. Back after this. We're visiting with Ray comfort, 347 00:17:42,619 --> 00:17:45,340 S1: who's the founder and CEO of Living Waters, best selling 348 00:17:45,340 --> 00:17:49,260 S1: author of almost a hundred books, if not more, including 349 00:17:49,260 --> 00:17:52,179 S1: books like How to Know God Exists and The Evidence Bible. 350 00:17:52,420 --> 00:17:54,260 S1: You watch him on Way of the master, which is 351 00:17:54,260 --> 00:17:56,420 S1: aired in every country in the world. They have a 352 00:17:56,420 --> 00:18:00,700 S1: fabulous YouTube channel, multiple millions of viewers. He's got resources. 353 00:18:01,100 --> 00:18:04,380 S1: He puts videotapes out immediately on the YouTube channel that 354 00:18:04,380 --> 00:18:06,380 S1: just respond to what's going on in the culture. And 355 00:18:06,380 --> 00:18:09,260 S1: once again, he picked up on this idea that there's 356 00:18:09,260 --> 00:18:11,980 S1: this organization out there that's putting up these billboards that 357 00:18:11,980 --> 00:18:14,699 S1: are heretical. I mean, they don't come into alignment with 358 00:18:14,700 --> 00:18:17,220 S1: the Word of God. That is inarguable. They also have 359 00:18:17,220 --> 00:18:20,060 S1: a series of other beliefs that I think are very interesting. 360 00:18:20,060 --> 00:18:22,100 S1: And I wanted to ask you, Ray, about a couple 361 00:18:22,140 --> 00:18:25,100 S1: of these, because you did such a superb job. And 362 00:18:25,140 --> 00:18:27,340 S1: I'm going to segue eventually to your literally hitting the 363 00:18:27,380 --> 00:18:29,699 S1: beach again and talking to people. But one of the 364 00:18:29,820 --> 00:18:32,859 S1: beliefs that they have, aside from this idea that they 365 00:18:32,900 --> 00:18:35,900 S1: deny that Jesus was there from the beginning, they deny 366 00:18:35,900 --> 00:18:38,500 S1: the existence of the Trinity, the full deity of Jesus. 367 00:18:39,300 --> 00:18:44,580 S1: But they also believed that Jesus is not co-eternal with 368 00:18:44,580 --> 00:18:46,780 S1: God the Father. Now just let that sink in for 369 00:18:46,780 --> 00:18:49,060 S1: a minute. So our friends are thinking biblically and critically here. 370 00:18:49,260 --> 00:18:52,139 S1: If Jesus is not co-eternal with the father. So we 371 00:18:52,140 --> 00:18:54,420 S1: have the death burial. And oh yeah, there's that word 372 00:18:54,420 --> 00:18:58,660 S1: resurrection of Jesus. What is he then, if he's not 373 00:18:58,700 --> 00:19:03,020 S1: co-eternal with God? It was a temporal, substitutionary atonement. 374 00:19:04,020 --> 00:19:07,860 S6: Yeah, I just the words of Jesus thrill me like 375 00:19:07,859 --> 00:19:09,580 S6: nothing else. Where he says, I have power to lay 376 00:19:09,580 --> 00:19:11,219 S6: my life down. I power to raise it up. So 377 00:19:11,220 --> 00:19:14,220 S6: when Jesus rose from the dead, he raised himself from 378 00:19:14,220 --> 00:19:16,899 S6: the dead, according to his words, before he died and 379 00:19:16,900 --> 00:19:19,820 S6: before he resurrected. And I think the greatest sound the 380 00:19:19,820 --> 00:19:25,379 S6: world has ever heard was a tiny room in that cave, 381 00:19:25,540 --> 00:19:30,290 S6: in that cold tomb, a tiny sound. Thump, thump. As 382 00:19:30,290 --> 00:19:34,730 S6: life came back into that lifeless, cold days dead body. 383 00:19:34,930 --> 00:19:38,650 S6: And it was a sound that reverberated with implications across 384 00:19:38,650 --> 00:19:42,170 S6: the universe, because it opened up the door to everlasting life, 385 00:19:42,170 --> 00:19:45,890 S6: dying and sinful man. And I just there's one verse in, um, 386 00:19:45,930 --> 00:19:48,169 S6: in the Old Testament that I think is the greatest 387 00:19:48,170 --> 00:19:51,650 S6: verse in the whole Bible. It's only six words and 388 00:19:51,650 --> 00:19:55,010 S6: it's often overlooked, you know, hardly ever anyone quoted. But 389 00:19:55,010 --> 00:20:00,690 S6: it's Isaiah 25, verse eight, he will swallow up death forever. 390 00:20:01,410 --> 00:20:03,610 S6: He will swallow up death. Listen to this. It's not. 391 00:20:03,609 --> 00:20:07,210 S6: He may swallow up death forever. He will swallow up 392 00:20:07,210 --> 00:20:09,209 S6: death forever. That's the promise of the gospel. That was 393 00:20:09,210 --> 00:20:13,729 S6: the promise of the coming Messiah. Jesus Christ has abolished death. 394 00:20:13,730 --> 00:20:17,969 S6: And it says that word forever. No more death, disease, pain, suffering, 395 00:20:17,970 --> 00:20:22,490 S6: dandruff and dentists forever. And it's just it's I can't 396 00:20:22,690 --> 00:20:25,890 S6: you know, Jesus said, if any man thirst, let him 397 00:20:25,890 --> 00:20:27,929 S6: come unto me and drink. And out of his spirit 398 00:20:27,930 --> 00:20:31,649 S6: will flow rivers of living water. That promise is so 399 00:20:31,650 --> 00:20:35,730 S6: good because it talks about evangelism. Our reaching out to 400 00:20:35,770 --> 00:20:39,090 S6: the lost, proclaiming the gospel should be an overflow. We 401 00:20:39,090 --> 00:20:41,330 S6: shouldn't have to be made to do it or feel 402 00:20:41,330 --> 00:20:43,290 S6: guilty if we don't do it. It should be a 403 00:20:43,290 --> 00:20:46,730 S6: bubbling up where we cannot but speak that which we've 404 00:20:46,730 --> 00:20:50,530 S6: seen and heard. And, uh, I was just if you're 405 00:20:50,530 --> 00:20:52,610 S6: if you're feeling a little down today, let me share 406 00:20:52,609 --> 00:20:54,250 S6: a scripture that's going to lift you up. There's only 407 00:20:54,250 --> 00:20:56,609 S6: one man in the Bible that Jesus looked up to. 408 00:20:56,650 --> 00:20:57,570 S6: Do you know who it was? 409 00:20:59,010 --> 00:21:00,690 S1: Zacchaeus. Because he was in the tree. 410 00:21:00,730 --> 00:21:06,850 S6: That's right. His tree couldn't fool you, could I? But 411 00:21:06,850 --> 00:21:09,609 S6: the very cool thing about Jesus looking up to a 412 00:21:09,609 --> 00:21:12,770 S6: short man is that what Jesus said after Zacchaeus came 413 00:21:12,770 --> 00:21:15,290 S6: to faith, Jesus said, The Son of Man has come 414 00:21:15,290 --> 00:21:17,090 S6: to seek and to save that which is lost. So 415 00:21:17,090 --> 00:21:19,729 S6: we think Zacchaeus was seeking Jesus. But if you read 416 00:21:19,730 --> 00:21:24,010 S6: the scripture, Jesus was seeking Zacchaeus. And that is incredibly 417 00:21:24,010 --> 00:21:26,490 S6: exciting for you and I. Just little people up a tree. 418 00:21:26,530 --> 00:21:28,770 S6: We just don't really know what's going on. Jesus stops, 419 00:21:28,810 --> 00:21:31,129 S6: looks up to us. He gives us worth. Not in 420 00:21:31,130 --> 00:21:33,090 S6: our moral worth, but he cares about us, died on 421 00:21:33,090 --> 00:21:35,730 S6: the cross for our sins, and he came to seek 422 00:21:35,730 --> 00:21:38,649 S6: and to save us. Man, I was so lost before 423 00:21:38,650 --> 00:21:43,330 S6: I was saved, so happy in my big bubble of 424 00:21:43,330 --> 00:21:45,850 S6: vanity that was going to burst when death came along. 425 00:21:45,890 --> 00:21:48,090 S6: And I'm just so grateful to God. That's like an 426 00:21:48,090 --> 00:21:51,250 S6: explosion of joy that's in my heart that I can't contain, 427 00:21:51,250 --> 00:21:52,810 S6: that drives me to do the will, to do the 428 00:21:52,810 --> 00:21:54,929 S6: will of God. And that should be the testimony of 429 00:21:54,930 --> 00:21:57,770 S6: every Christian who's seen their sins and seen the cross 430 00:21:57,770 --> 00:21:59,609 S6: and what God did for them through Christ. 431 00:21:59,770 --> 00:22:02,890 S1: Well, Amen. So let me just pick another point. And again, 432 00:22:02,890 --> 00:22:04,530 S1: I'm not even naming this group. I'm not going to 433 00:22:04,530 --> 00:22:06,090 S1: give him free publicity, but I'm just going to look 434 00:22:06,090 --> 00:22:08,210 S1: at some of their ideas and whether or not straight 435 00:22:08,210 --> 00:22:10,370 S1: stick of truth. Thank you, D.L. Moody. They come into 436 00:22:10,369 --> 00:22:12,450 S1: alignment with what is found in the Word of God. 437 00:22:12,450 --> 00:22:15,050 S1: So another position they take is that you have to 438 00:22:15,050 --> 00:22:18,730 S1: be faithful in your observance of the Torah, the law. 439 00:22:19,210 --> 00:22:21,850 S1: That's interesting because I thought Jesus said he came to 440 00:22:21,850 --> 00:22:24,729 S1: fulfill the law, but they really don't get Jesus at all. 441 00:22:24,770 --> 00:22:27,090 S1: He gets us. Well, apparently they don't get him and 442 00:22:27,090 --> 00:22:29,810 S1: this at all. So why is this not a works 443 00:22:29,850 --> 00:22:31,330 S1: based salvation that we have? 444 00:22:32,210 --> 00:22:36,010 S6: Yeah. This is when you when you seek God's law 445 00:22:36,050 --> 00:22:38,690 S6: as a means of salvation. What you're doing is leaning 446 00:22:38,690 --> 00:22:40,770 S6: on a cactus. Well, let's say you're sitting on a 447 00:22:40,810 --> 00:22:43,890 S6: cactus falling on it because the law isn't there to 448 00:22:43,890 --> 00:22:46,570 S6: help you. It's just to leave you helpless. Cursed is 449 00:22:46,570 --> 00:22:48,689 S6: everyone who continues, not in all things written in the 450 00:22:48,690 --> 00:22:50,490 S6: book of the law to do them. If you want 451 00:22:50,490 --> 00:22:52,130 S6: to try and keep God's law, you've got to keep 452 00:22:52,130 --> 00:22:53,930 S6: the whole law. Because if you fall from one point, 453 00:22:53,930 --> 00:22:57,250 S6: you're guilty of all. So I love what D.L. Moody said. 454 00:22:57,930 --> 00:23:02,050 S6: The law can only chase a man to Calvary. No further. 455 00:23:02,290 --> 00:23:04,810 S6: We're saved by grace. And you picked it up before. 456 00:23:04,810 --> 00:23:06,930 S6: What I do with cults. And it works all the time. 457 00:23:06,930 --> 00:23:09,770 S6: And it's so simple. Someone comes to my door. Jehovah's 458 00:23:09,770 --> 00:23:12,050 S6: witness or a mormon, I just say, look, let me 459 00:23:12,050 --> 00:23:14,570 S6: give you a scenario. I've got three minutes to live. 460 00:23:14,609 --> 00:23:16,490 S6: Tell me, how can I come? How can I get 461 00:23:16,490 --> 00:23:18,170 S6: to heaven? How can I enter the kingdom? I use 462 00:23:18,170 --> 00:23:21,450 S6: their language and they don't know. And if they don't 463 00:23:21,609 --> 00:23:23,850 S6: know how to be saved, how can they be saved themselves? 464 00:23:23,890 --> 00:23:27,490 S6: Salvation comes by God's amazing grace. It's a free gift 465 00:23:27,490 --> 00:23:30,609 S6: of God. I had a Jehovah's Witness the other day 466 00:23:30,609 --> 00:23:33,570 S6: at Huntington Beach. I said, the thief on the cross. 467 00:23:33,730 --> 00:23:36,450 S6: He just turned to Jesus and was saved by God's 468 00:23:36,450 --> 00:23:39,330 S6: amazing grace through Christ. He said no, that was works. 469 00:23:39,330 --> 00:23:42,530 S6: When he turned to him, that was his works. That 470 00:23:42,530 --> 00:23:45,409 S6: was him doing something. I said he couldn't do something 471 00:23:45,410 --> 00:23:47,649 S6: because he was nailed to the cross. His legs couldn't 472 00:23:47,650 --> 00:23:50,649 S6: move and his feet wouldn't do anything. Salvation is a 473 00:23:50,650 --> 00:23:52,370 S6: free gift of God, and you can't earn a gift. 474 00:23:52,369 --> 00:23:55,530 S6: And that's the that's the downfall of all these cults. 475 00:23:55,930 --> 00:23:59,490 S1: Yeah, absolutely. Wow. This conversation is going too quickly. By 476 00:23:59,490 --> 00:24:02,210 S1: the way, I have linked on our information page this 477 00:24:02,210 --> 00:24:05,730 S1: video response that Ray did about these billboards that are 478 00:24:05,730 --> 00:24:08,330 S1: showing up across the country. And he does answer the question, 479 00:24:08,330 --> 00:24:12,850 S1: who's behind Jesus is not God billboards. But far more importantly, 480 00:24:12,850 --> 00:24:15,330 S1: once again, he takes us to the beach. He takes 481 00:24:15,330 --> 00:24:17,970 S1: us where he's asking people questions. And he did talk 482 00:24:17,970 --> 00:24:21,090 S1: to a lot of people who were Jehovah's Witnesses. Let 483 00:24:21,090 --> 00:24:22,490 S1: me pick it up. At that point. When we come 484 00:24:22,490 --> 00:24:25,969 S1: back learning what Ray does, the fire that's in his bones, 485 00:24:25,970 --> 00:24:29,010 S1: like Jeremiah said, this is really what gets him up 486 00:24:29,010 --> 00:24:31,850 S1: and gets him going. Oh, may that fire be transmitted 487 00:24:31,850 --> 00:24:34,689 S1: to us. And may we likewise be bold in the 488 00:24:34,690 --> 00:24:37,450 S1: proclamation of the gospel. And like Peter and John, we 489 00:24:37,490 --> 00:24:51,729 S1: too can't stop talking after this. We can all safely 490 00:24:51,730 --> 00:24:54,530 S1: say that society seems to be decaying before our eyes. 491 00:24:54,570 --> 00:24:56,690 S1: And in the market, we're tackling the issues head on 492 00:24:56,690 --> 00:24:59,810 S1: from a biblical perspective, so you'll know how to influence 493 00:24:59,810 --> 00:25:02,770 S1: and occupy. A Scripture says become a partial partner today 494 00:25:02,770 --> 00:25:05,250 S1: and support in the market. As a benefit, you'll receive 495 00:25:05,250 --> 00:25:09,850 S1: exclusive resources every week prepared just for you. Call 877 496 00:25:09,850 --> 00:25:13,250 S1: Janet 58 or go online to in the market with Janet. 497 00:25:13,250 --> 00:25:18,250 S1: Partial dot. We have the pleasure of spending the hour 498 00:25:18,330 --> 00:25:20,410 S1: with Ray comfort, who is the founder and CEO of 499 00:25:20,410 --> 00:25:23,410 S1: Living Waters best selling author. As a YouTube channel that's 500 00:25:23,450 --> 00:25:26,609 S1: absolutely fabulous. Resources that are marvelous make it all easy 501 00:25:26,609 --> 00:25:30,330 S1: and just go to Living waters. Living waters. Com now, 502 00:25:30,410 --> 00:25:34,649 S1: our conversation today as a conversation starter emanates from the 503 00:25:34,650 --> 00:25:36,730 S1: fact that there's this group out there that's putting up 504 00:25:36,730 --> 00:25:40,650 S1: billboards in different states California, Georgia and other states, and 505 00:25:40,650 --> 00:25:44,209 S1: they are biblically wrong. I'm being gracious. They are more 506 00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:47,490 S1: to the point. They're heretical. They are espousing another gospel, 507 00:25:47,490 --> 00:25:51,210 S1: and they're certainly espousing a different Jesus. And so they've 508 00:25:51,210 --> 00:25:54,290 S1: made the declaration through these expensive billboards. And, you know, 509 00:25:54,330 --> 00:25:56,010 S1: they're not cheap, particularly if you leave them up for 510 00:25:56,010 --> 00:25:59,530 S1: a while that says Jesus is not God. Boom. Just 511 00:25:59,530 --> 00:26:01,570 S1: like he always does. Ray Comfort picked up on this, 512 00:26:01,570 --> 00:26:05,290 S1: decided he'd offer a response biblically, and his videotape not 513 00:26:05,290 --> 00:26:07,970 S1: only does a beautiful job of responding, but it ends 514 00:26:07,970 --> 00:26:10,410 S1: up as it always does with him with a camera, 515 00:26:10,410 --> 00:26:13,369 S1: meeting people face to face and talking to them about Jesus. 516 00:26:13,609 --> 00:26:16,369 S1: So let me backtrack before we follow you to the beach, Ray, 517 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,720 S1: and you make the declaration in the videotape that this 518 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,000 S1: is a concept that's believed by the Jehovah's Witness. And 519 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,160 S1: they're not the only people who believe that. Um, without 520 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,679 S1: going deep into comparative religion and theology, why is it 521 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,480 S1: that the Jehovah's Witnesses have come up with a different God? 522 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,479 S1: Is this a cornerstone belief to them? 523 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,040 S6: Yeah. Cornerstone belief. It's rooted in idolatry, but it's rooted 524 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,480 S6: in demons, really. Because when you look at their New 525 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,840 S6: World Translation, it is their new World translation, new translation, 526 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,760 S6: where they drop that Jesus was God and they drop 527 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,560 S6: in the word a God, and they just bring down 528 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,240 S6: the deity of Jesus. And that's, that's that's something that's 529 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,040 S6: very common among the cults. Same with, uh, most of 530 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,919 S6: the cults. They don't give Jesus the place that he deserves. 531 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,240 S6: Every knee is going to bow to him as Lord 532 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,960 S6: in the Ten Commandments. May have mentioned it before. Jesus said, 533 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,720 S6: Or God said, I am the Lord your God. You 534 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,840 S6: shall have no other gods before me. He is the 535 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,040 S6: Lord our God. Right through the Old Testament. same phraseology 536 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,119 S6: I am the Lord your God. He is the God 537 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,040 S6: of all humanity, the God of all the atheists. He 538 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,439 S6: is the Lord, the supreme ruler of the universe to all, 539 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,640 S6: to the one to whom we all are under his authority. 540 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,280 S6: And right through the. As I said, the Old Testament, 541 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,399 S6: right up until Thomas bows the knee and says, my 542 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,160 S6: Lord and my God. And that's what happens when someone 543 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,440 S6: becomes a Christian. They bow to Jesus as the supreme 544 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,000 S6: ruler of the universe. If you confess with your mouth 545 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,600 S6: that Jesus Christ is Lord and you believe in your 546 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,080 S6: heart that God raised him from the dead, and every 547 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,520 S6: knee will bow to him as Lord, all the cults 548 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,959 S6: will bow to him as Lord. They don't realize that 549 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,480 S6: God was manifest in the flesh. He created the body 550 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,840 S6: for the supreme object of destroying death for humanity, because God, 551 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,000 S6: being a spirit, cannot die. And so he needed a 552 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,080 S6: body to suffer and die on the cross. And that's 553 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,600 S6: why Jesus came to this earth to release us from 554 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:10,600 S6: the power of the grave. 555 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,159 S1: Well, thank you for that clear explanation. So you get 556 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,080 S1: on your bike, you go to the beach. My first 557 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,280 S1: question is, how did you find so many Jehovah's Witnesses? 558 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,080 S6: They just come. They just come to me. 559 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,720 S1: I guess that was stunning to me. I thought, are 560 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,359 S1: they all in the beach at the same day? I 561 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:31,760 S1: thought that was interesting. 562 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,720 S6: No, no they weren't. They were just from our other videos. 563 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,679 S6: Some some were at the local college. But I do 564 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,480 S6: get to witness to a lot of people and they 565 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,080 S6: just they stack up there when I pull them all together. 566 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,880 S1: Wow. Well, here's my takeaway. And then I'd love you 567 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,200 S1: to to speak into this. You created this hypothetical, and 568 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,520 S1: I want you to explain it to our friends in 569 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,160 S1: a minute about having three minutes left. And what broke 570 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,240 S1: my heart was how many people who, when you first 571 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,760 S1: asked them if they were Joel's witness, they answered in 572 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,520 S1: the affirmative. You gave them the hypothetical about you have 573 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,640 S1: three minutes left. You'll explain that to our friends in 574 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,520 S1: a minute. And how many of them basically said, can't 575 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,360 S1: help you, don't have an answer. Afraid you're not going 576 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,760 S1: to get in? I thought, wow, why would you subscribe 577 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,080 S1: to a religion that would be that hopeless? Here's a 578 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,360 S1: man who puts forth a hypothetical that he's going to 579 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,600 S1: die in three minutes, and you can't tell him how 580 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,240 S1: he's going to be saved. So explain to our friends 581 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,080 S1: what that hypothetical was. It was brilliant. 582 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,480 S6: Well, I for years would hide from Jehovah's Witnesses. They 583 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,200 S6: would come to our door, knock, knock, knock. I'd say. Ah, yeah. 584 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,400 S6: So I'd open up the door and they'd say, Where's Jehovah? No, 585 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,160 S6: they'd say, hello, how are you doing? And I'd say, 586 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,120 S6: are you Jehovah's Witnesses? I got a clue because I 587 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,160 S6: got Watchtower magazines all over them and they're two by 588 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,200 S6: two and they just look like Jehovah's Witnesses. And so 589 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,840 S6: I usually get it right and I say, well, I'm 590 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,880 S6: a Christian. I love the Lord. Thank you. I don't 591 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,600 S6: have time. I closed the door on him because I 592 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,080 S6: didn't want to get into an argument over who Jesus was. 593 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,440 S6: In fact, Jesus said to Peter, who do men say 594 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,680 S6: that I am? And Peter said, uh, some say you're 595 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,320 S6: John the Baptist. Who do you say I am? And 596 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,720 S6: Peter said, You're the Christ, the son of the living God. 597 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,560 S6: And then Jesus said, blessed are you, Peter, for flesh 598 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,280 S6: and blood has not revealed this to you, but my 599 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,760 S6: father who is in heaven. So what I do is 600 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,480 S6: I see the job. I may put it that way. 601 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,800 S6: It's the job of God to reveal who Jesus is 602 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,320 S6: to a lost and dying sinners. My job is to 603 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,260 S6: proclaim the gospel, and I do it with that three 604 00:30:21,260 --> 00:30:25,800 S6: minutes to live scenario. I just say, okay, you Jehovah's Witness, um, 605 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,200 S6: there's a knife in my back. Uh, I've got three 606 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,120 S6: minutes to live. I'm dying. Could you tell me, how 607 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,440 S6: can I enter the kingdom? And they'll go, well, uh, yeah. 608 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,500 S6: You've you've got to do certain things. I've got two 609 00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:38,480 S6: minutes to live. Come on, tell me, how can I 610 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,160 S6: enter the kingdom? I'm dying. I've broken the commandments. I've 611 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,720 S6: looked with lust. Committed adultery in my heart. Lied and stolen. 612 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,440 S6: I'm a blasphemer. I'm scared of going to hell. How 613 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,520 S6: can I get. How can I enter the kingdom? They go. Um. 614 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,320 S6: And I say, I've got one minute. Come on. And 615 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,239 S6: they say, I can't help you. I'm sorry. And it 616 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,480 S6: reveals they're not trusting in God's grace. They're trusting in works. 617 00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,800 S6: And no one is going to enter heaven by trusting 618 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,600 S6: in which you can't buy eternal life by knocking on doors. 619 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,200 S6: You can't buy eternal life from God. You can't bribe 620 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,960 S6: the judge of the universe to forgive your sins by 621 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,720 S6: doing something the Bible says it's not by works of 622 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,160 S6: righteousness that he saves us, but according to his mercy, 623 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,040 S6: and mercy can't be earned. For by grace are you 624 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,560 S6: saved through faith. And that not of yourselves. It's the 625 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,200 S6: gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast. 626 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,160 S6: So this is good news for Jehovah's Witnesses and for 627 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,520 S6: Mormons who also twist the grace of God and say, 628 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,040 S6: you're saved by God's grace after all you can do. 629 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,760 S6: They're earning their salvation too. Same. Same scenario. And so 630 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,880 S6: this is good news even for Muslims who have got 631 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,480 S6: no assurance of salvation, they're trying to go about to 632 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,760 S6: establish their own righteousness, being ignorant of the righteousness which 633 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,280 S6: is of God. And that's when the moral law comes 634 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,840 S6: in to show sinners, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons and Muslims 635 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,280 S6: show them the righteousness of God. And his standard has 636 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,320 S6: been violated by all of us. You violate God's law 637 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,600 S6: with lust. You violate it with hatred. And that brings 638 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,520 S6: us to the foot of the cross, so that we 639 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,960 S6: can only be saved through trusting in Jesus. 640 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,480 S1: Wow. Um. And I don't want to give it away, 641 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,440 S1: but I want you to watch this video, friends. And 642 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,120 S1: I will tell you that in the course of the 643 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,880 S1: video and the conversations that Rahab, there was a rather, um, 644 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,280 S1: assertive woman, I'll put it that way, who basically said, Ray, 645 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:20,959 S1: you're very close minded. 646 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:24,760 S6: And then she walks off. 647 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,960 S8: On me and she walks off. Exactly. 648 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,840 S6: Yeah, yeah, I live in California. There's all sorts of 649 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,880 S6: colorful people out here, and I love it. 650 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,600 S1: Well, what I found, what was precious, was that you did. 651 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,040 S1: In fact, one man who was a Jehovah's Witness said 652 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,960 S1: he didn't want to be preached at. And you tried 653 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,680 S1: to get him to listen. Can I just ask you 654 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,160 S1: some questions? No, I don't want to be preached. And 655 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,080 S1: he walked away, and you were so gracious to him. 656 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,920 S1: And that, again, it isn't just by your words, but 657 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,160 S1: it's by your actions, Ray, that you exemplify what it 658 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,640 S1: means to be an ambassador for Christ. You aren't trying 659 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,440 S1: to argue these people into heaven. If they don't want 660 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,920 S1: to engage you, you let them go, because that's not 661 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,480 S1: going to be a point where they're going to listen 662 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,760 S1: to you. Let me underscore also something you've taught me 663 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,959 S1: that is it's hugely important and that is you appeal 664 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,760 S1: to the conscience, not the mind, because you said in 665 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,120 S1: the mime you're going to hit points of conflict, the conscience, 666 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,560 S1: you're going to be indicted because God has already built 667 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,160 S1: in this spiritual Geiger counter, for lack of a better 668 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,160 S1: way to put it, that lets you know when you've 669 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,000 S1: broken the law here. This particular group who puts up 670 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,320 S1: the billboard says you need to fulfill the law as 671 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,680 S1: part of your faith, and none of us can. There's 672 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,040 S1: the paradox between the billboard and the man on the street. 673 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,520 S1: None of us can keep the law. 674 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,520 S6: Yeah, James actually likens God's law to a mirror and says, 675 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,800 S6: whoever looks into the law of liberty and continues not therein. 676 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,760 S6: And then he names some of the Ten Commandments, the 677 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,480 S6: Ten Commandments after that. So he's talking about the Ten 678 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,160 S6: Commandments in context. Anyone who gets up in the mirror, sorry, 679 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,120 S6: anyone who gets up in the morning and looks in 680 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,360 S6: the mirror does so to just see what they look like. 681 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,560 S6: In truth, you want to see what damage is being 682 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,960 S6: done during the night. You want to see an outstanding hairstyle, 683 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,520 S6: pale face, puffy eyes so you can clean up. So 684 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,950 S6: the mirror just sends you to the water to wash. 685 00:34:03,950 --> 00:34:06,070 S6: That's its function. You don't wash yourself with a mirror. 686 00:34:06,110 --> 00:34:08,910 S6: That's crazy. And the mirror of the law just reflects 687 00:34:08,910 --> 00:34:11,350 S6: what we are. In truth, we're all as an unclean thing, 688 00:34:11,350 --> 00:34:13,950 S6: and even our righteous deeds are as filthy rags in 689 00:34:13,950 --> 00:34:16,750 S6: the sight of God. So the law should send us 690 00:34:16,750 --> 00:34:19,190 S6: to the Savior. The law is a schoolmaster to bring 691 00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:21,469 S6: us to Christ, so that we can be washed by 692 00:34:21,469 --> 00:34:22,950 S6: what Jesus did on the cross. 693 00:34:23,630 --> 00:34:26,710 S1: Wow. And every single time, that's where you go. In fact, 694 00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:28,549 S1: I loved it. At one point, somebody wanted to take 695 00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:30,469 S1: you in a different direction, and you said, I want 696 00:34:30,469 --> 00:34:33,270 S1: you to answer my question first. I thought that was good. 697 00:34:33,310 --> 00:34:36,390 S1: I've seen you do that many times where you don't 698 00:34:36,390 --> 00:34:38,710 S1: feel like there's an old adage in the law that says, 699 00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:41,150 S1: never ask a question you don't already know the answer to. 700 00:34:41,310 --> 00:34:43,470 S1: I think you could add to that idea and say, 701 00:34:43,670 --> 00:34:45,870 S1: don't feel that you have to answer every question that's 702 00:34:45,870 --> 00:34:48,430 S1: being asked. So when someone is trying to divert your 703 00:34:48,430 --> 00:34:50,830 S1: attention by asking a different question, that's going to take 704 00:34:50,830 --> 00:34:53,270 S1: you down a rabbit trail. Boy, you had the discernment 705 00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:54,870 S1: to say, I'm not going there. We're going to stay 706 00:34:54,870 --> 00:34:58,109 S1: on topic. And that's exactly what you did gracefully. And 707 00:34:58,110 --> 00:34:59,830 S1: they lingered longer to talk to you, which I thought 708 00:34:59,830 --> 00:35:00,670 S1: was important. 709 00:35:01,310 --> 00:35:04,190 S6: I love the way the Bible describes Jesus as saying 710 00:35:04,190 --> 00:35:06,670 S6: he sets his face as a flint towards Jerusalem. He 711 00:35:06,670 --> 00:35:08,989 S6: was coming to die and he set his face as 712 00:35:08,989 --> 00:35:11,670 S6: a flint. Well, Flint is a very, very hard stone, 713 00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:13,469 S6: and if you strike it, you get a spark. It's 714 00:35:13,469 --> 00:35:16,750 S6: what they use for lighters, etc. and we need to 715 00:35:16,750 --> 00:35:18,950 S6: set our faces of flint. Nothing is going to deter 716 00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:20,710 S6: us from preaching the gospel. And if you try and 717 00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:23,990 S6: deter me, you're just going to get sparks. Because I'm 718 00:35:23,989 --> 00:35:27,510 S6: so stubborn to preach the truth that Jesus Christ has 719 00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:29,990 S6: abolished death. And that's the essence of what we're saying 720 00:35:29,989 --> 00:35:33,150 S6: that God has destroyed death for humanity. Don't get tied 721 00:35:33,150 --> 00:35:35,590 S6: up in evolution and atheism and all these other things. 722 00:35:35,590 --> 00:35:38,350 S6: Just go for the conscience, as Jesus did, because that's 723 00:35:38,350 --> 00:35:40,630 S6: the place of harmony, the work of the law written 724 00:35:40,670 --> 00:35:43,549 S6: on the heart, the conscience bearing witness. It's like a judge, 725 00:35:43,550 --> 00:35:46,310 S6: an impartial judge on the courtroom of the mind that 726 00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:49,190 S6: agrees with the commandments. And when that happens, all the 727 00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:54,110 S6: arguments just start crumbling because you're not trying to argue 728 00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:57,070 S6: away into the kingdom. You're just standing there as a 729 00:35:57,070 --> 00:35:59,390 S6: as a guilty sinner in the eyes of a holy God. 730 00:35:59,390 --> 00:36:03,030 S1: Exactly. That's what you do without blush, embarrassment or hesitation. 731 00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:06,390 S1: And you do it every single time. Can I encourage 732 00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:08,069 S1: you all to watch the YouTube channel? By the way? 733 00:36:08,070 --> 00:36:10,230 S1: Just put it in your subscriptions, get it, and you'll 734 00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:12,870 S1: see it pop up and fill up your algorithms on 735 00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:15,830 S1: a regular basis. There's a topic in the news. Boom! 736 00:36:15,870 --> 00:36:18,670 S1: Ray responds to it, and then segues into a way 737 00:36:18,670 --> 00:36:20,950 S1: in which you can share the gospel. I love that, 738 00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:23,310 S1: by the way. That's the bait that he uses when 739 00:36:23,310 --> 00:36:27,149 S1: he's fishing for men. It's about 2000 years old in 740 00:36:27,150 --> 00:36:29,029 S1: his approach, and I think more of us need to 741 00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:31,510 S1: be able to do it. Not only that, but by example, 742 00:36:31,550 --> 00:36:35,310 S1: Ray extends to us the challenge to be courageous and 743 00:36:35,310 --> 00:36:39,270 S1: unashamed of the gospel. Not haughty, not arrogant, not prideful, 744 00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:52,630 S1: but compassionately courageous. Back after this. So the backbone of 745 00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:55,709 S1: our conversation this hour, and the catalyst, if you will, 746 00:36:55,710 --> 00:36:57,710 S1: is the fact that there's this group out there that's 747 00:36:57,710 --> 00:37:00,350 S1: spreading these billboards around, so be on the lookout. Now, 748 00:37:00,350 --> 00:37:02,830 S1: you've been told, okay, now you can think critically and 749 00:37:02,830 --> 00:37:06,870 S1: more importantly, biblically. They make the declaration Jesus is not God. 750 00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:10,470 S1: And then they purport wrongly that the Scripture says Jesus 751 00:37:10,469 --> 00:37:13,509 S1: did not preexist in heaven. They've got another one that says, 752 00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:16,630 S1: are you committing idolatry? Scripture says God is one, not 753 00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:20,030 S1: 3 in 1. So they are, in a word, nontrinitarian. 754 00:37:20,030 --> 00:37:22,310 S1: They don't believe in the triune nature of God, but 755 00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:25,750 S1: they also make an interesting statement. They said, today's Divine 756 00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:30,910 S1: Christ is a creation of church fathers heavily influenced by Plato. 757 00:37:31,350 --> 00:37:34,989 S1: This false pagan Christ contradicts what Scripture teaches about the 758 00:37:34,989 --> 00:37:38,190 S1: biblical Christ. To gain eternal life, it is important to 759 00:37:38,230 --> 00:37:41,509 S1: believe in the true Christ of Scripture. Ray Comfort is 760 00:37:41,550 --> 00:37:43,790 S1: with us. He's an award winning author. He's one of 761 00:37:43,790 --> 00:37:45,870 S1: the most creative people I've ever met, and he just 762 00:37:45,870 --> 00:37:49,029 S1: loves Jesus. And he loves to tell people about Jesus 763 00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:51,750 S1: so that all might be saved and come to repentance, 764 00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:54,910 S1: as the Bible says. So, Ray, um, and this is 765 00:37:54,910 --> 00:37:56,549 S1: not what you would do on the man in the street, 766 00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:58,509 S1: but I'm just asking you, as a mature Christian who 767 00:37:58,510 --> 00:38:01,710 S1: loves the word. When this billboard makes the declaration that 768 00:38:01,710 --> 00:38:05,110 S1: you have to know the true Christ of Scripture. Um, 769 00:38:05,350 --> 00:38:07,669 S1: this reminds me of the fairy tale about the Pied 770 00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:09,710 S1: Piper of Hamelin. You hear that tune and you follow 771 00:38:09,710 --> 00:38:11,989 S1: even though it's going to lead to your destruction. So 772 00:38:11,989 --> 00:38:15,750 S1: we hear these words espoused by a group that is 773 00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:18,630 S1: not biblical. They are preaching another gospel. They are heretical 774 00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:21,189 S1: in nature. And then they make the declaration that it's 775 00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:23,830 S1: important to believe in the true Christ of Scripture. I 776 00:38:23,830 --> 00:38:25,550 S1: don't know how they can say that with a straight face, 777 00:38:25,550 --> 00:38:28,630 S1: because they are denying the Christ of Scripture, as evidenced 778 00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:31,270 S1: by their billboards and their statement of belief on their 779 00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:34,270 S1: own website. So then, so that we don't. One of 780 00:38:34,270 --> 00:38:36,190 S1: one of the verses that bothered me terribly when I 781 00:38:36,190 --> 00:38:38,030 S1: was a kid growing up is that even the righteous 782 00:38:38,030 --> 00:38:40,589 S1: will be deceived. And I used to say, God, how 783 00:38:40,590 --> 00:38:42,790 S1: can anybody be deceived if they already have the imputed 784 00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:46,470 S1: righteousness of Christ? How can you be deceived? Now we're 785 00:38:46,469 --> 00:38:49,230 S1: seeing it everywhere, all around us, so that people won't 786 00:38:49,230 --> 00:38:51,830 S1: be deceived. You read a group that says you need 787 00:38:51,830 --> 00:38:53,750 S1: to know the true Christ of Scripture, and you go, 788 00:38:53,790 --> 00:38:56,310 S1: I think I do. They must be right. How do 789 00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:59,590 S1: we make sure book of Colossians were not taken captive 790 00:38:59,590 --> 00:39:02,469 S1: through vain and hollow philosophies predicated on this world, rather 791 00:39:02,469 --> 00:39:03,590 S1: than on the Word of God? 792 00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:08,510 S6: Well, when Jesus said about the righteous being deceived, he 793 00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:11,549 S6: used a few words there that I just grab with 794 00:39:11,550 --> 00:39:14,350 S6: both my hands. He used the word if, if possible. 795 00:39:14,750 --> 00:39:16,150 S8: If possible, if possible. 796 00:39:16,190 --> 00:39:17,910 S6: Yeah, and I don't think it's possible. Why? Because the 797 00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:20,270 S6: Holy Spirit leads us into all truth. We trust the 798 00:39:20,270 --> 00:39:22,430 S6: Lord to lead us into all truth and show us 799 00:39:22,430 --> 00:39:26,709 S6: what deception is. We can be deceived temporarily, but God's 800 00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:28,670 S6: not going to lose those that he wants to save. 801 00:39:29,590 --> 00:39:31,750 S6: He's able to keep them from falling. Present them faultless 802 00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:34,629 S6: before the presence of his glory. With exceeding joy, he's 803 00:39:34,670 --> 00:39:36,950 S6: able to save to the uttermost those that come to 804 00:39:36,989 --> 00:39:41,230 S6: God by him. And, um, these, these this sect that's 805 00:39:41,230 --> 00:39:42,790 S6: put this up. I'd just like to say to them, 806 00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:44,430 S6: isn't the cross good enough for you? 807 00:39:44,910 --> 00:39:45,350 S8: Mhm. 808 00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:48,549 S6: Because that's what they're down crying and Jesus came to 809 00:39:48,590 --> 00:39:51,149 S6: die on the cross for our salvation. It's not good 810 00:39:51,150 --> 00:39:53,310 S6: enough for them. They've got to do it themselves. You 811 00:39:53,310 --> 00:39:56,069 S6: know Janet, you always say really nice things about me, 812 00:39:56,070 --> 00:39:58,870 S6: but I want to tell you something. Um, I'm just 813 00:39:58,870 --> 00:40:01,670 S6: an ordinary, ordinary person. And I look back on what 814 00:40:01,710 --> 00:40:03,870 S6: God has done in my life. And I think to myself, 815 00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:07,350 S6: when I went to school, um, I wasn't good at sports. 816 00:40:07,350 --> 00:40:10,229 S6: I couldn't run fast, jump high, I couldn't shoot hoops, 817 00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:13,190 S6: couldn't sing or dance, and I couldn't do anything. I 818 00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:15,910 S6: tried to have proficiency, but I just couldn't excel in 819 00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:18,670 S6: any of them. And like most people, I was mediocre 820 00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:22,750 S6: at everything. Just very, very good at just being mediocre. 821 00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:26,190 S6: But when I became a Christian, God loves people that 822 00:40:26,190 --> 00:40:30,190 S6: have got nothing to offer him. He ignores the sons 823 00:40:30,190 --> 00:40:32,990 S6: of Jesse, just goes straight past them. The little shepherd 824 00:40:32,989 --> 00:40:35,990 S6: boy out the back. And so if you've if you're 825 00:40:36,030 --> 00:40:37,950 S6: like me, you've got nothing. You're not good at anything. 826 00:40:37,950 --> 00:40:39,870 S6: You just come to God and say, God, I've got nothing. 827 00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:42,350 S6: The minute you say that, God says, you've got everything 828 00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:44,710 S6: as far as I'm concerned, because I take people that 829 00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:47,750 S6: are nothing and mediocre and use them for my glory, 830 00:40:47,790 --> 00:40:50,149 S6: because God gets the glory if we if we don't 831 00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:53,189 S6: have any talent in our hands. And so I just 832 00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:55,750 S6: encourage people, don't be intimidated by the fact that I 833 00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:58,310 S6: do things. Just say you can do them too. Anyone 834 00:40:58,310 --> 00:41:01,189 S6: can do them, you know, present your bodies a living sacrifice, 835 00:41:01,390 --> 00:41:04,310 S6: holy and acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service 836 00:41:04,350 --> 00:41:07,310 S6: or unprofitable servants. But God will use us if we 837 00:41:07,310 --> 00:41:08,910 S6: just put ourselves in his hands. 838 00:41:09,590 --> 00:41:12,509 S1: But it's the question of obedience and submission. And in 839 00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:15,469 S1: a post-modern world that is so hard for so many believers. 840 00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:18,270 S1: So let me go to something you did in the videotape, 841 00:41:18,270 --> 00:41:21,229 S1: and I love the way that you just let us watch, 842 00:41:21,230 --> 00:41:23,110 S1: and we get to ride along with you as you're 843 00:41:23,110 --> 00:41:25,710 S1: sharing the gospel and talking about the fact that basically 844 00:41:25,710 --> 00:41:27,510 S1: all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. 845 00:41:27,950 --> 00:41:30,390 S1: There was one precious guy and you asked them again, 846 00:41:30,430 --> 00:41:32,509 S1: have you lied? Have you lust after your heart? Have 847 00:41:32,510 --> 00:41:34,109 S1: you taken the Lord's name in vain? Boom boom, boom. 848 00:41:34,110 --> 00:41:37,270 S1: Within five seconds there isn't anybody who's standing opposite you 849 00:41:37,310 --> 00:41:40,030 S1: who can say, no. I've never done those things. I'm perfect. 850 00:41:40,070 --> 00:41:42,669 S1: Just every person I've ever seen you talk to has 851 00:41:42,670 --> 00:41:45,790 S1: admitted that they've broken the law. Ah, there it is. 852 00:41:45,790 --> 00:41:47,830 S1: All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. 853 00:41:48,190 --> 00:41:51,020 S1: Sometimes they reject, sometimes they accept. And there was a 854 00:41:51,020 --> 00:41:53,220 S1: precious guy that you were talking to with a cap on, 855 00:41:53,500 --> 00:41:55,540 S1: and I can't remember if he was a Jehovah's Witness 856 00:41:55,540 --> 00:41:57,860 S1: or not, but you walked him through that idea again, 857 00:41:57,860 --> 00:42:01,180 S1: that we're all sinners, and that if we died today 858 00:42:01,180 --> 00:42:03,620 S1: without accepting Christ as our personal Savior, we would be 859 00:42:03,620 --> 00:42:08,259 S1: eternally separated from him. This person listened intently, and Ray 860 00:42:08,260 --> 00:42:11,140 S1: he went on to pray a prayer of asking Christ 861 00:42:11,140 --> 00:42:13,500 S1: into his heart. Talk to my friends about that. 862 00:42:14,020 --> 00:42:16,180 S6: Yeah. Firstly, I just want to say I'm sorry to 863 00:42:16,219 --> 00:42:20,580 S6: those people who continually put on my face on my 864 00:42:20,580 --> 00:42:23,540 S6: YouTube channel. I burst into tears when the guy took 865 00:42:23,540 --> 00:42:26,180 S6: his hat off. It shows he respects God. It's just 866 00:42:26,180 --> 00:42:28,700 S6: so wonderful. He prayed by taking his hat off. So 867 00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:30,780 S6: now they take the hat off because I told him to. 868 00:42:30,940 --> 00:42:35,220 S6: But you don't hear me. It happens again and again. 869 00:42:35,260 --> 00:42:37,939 S6: I said I'd like to pray with you. Is that okay? Oh, yes. Yeah. 870 00:42:37,940 --> 00:42:40,219 S6: I'll take your hat off. And they do. But you 871 00:42:40,219 --> 00:42:42,700 S6: don't hear me say, take your hat off. So people 872 00:42:42,700 --> 00:42:46,060 S6: are crying out. They're so moved by what people do. 873 00:42:46,380 --> 00:42:49,220 S6: So it's so neat when someone wants to pray. I've 874 00:42:49,219 --> 00:42:51,259 S6: been saying to people that, can I pray with you 875 00:42:51,260 --> 00:42:53,500 S6: because you're so close to the kingdom. And they say, yeah. 876 00:42:53,660 --> 00:42:55,299 S6: And then after that I say, look, if you want 877 00:42:55,340 --> 00:42:57,420 S6: to pray, that's really good. Don't feel pressured by me. 878 00:42:57,420 --> 00:42:59,180 S6: But if you want to say, God, I'm sorry for 879 00:42:59,180 --> 00:43:01,620 S6: my sins, just go ahead. Because the Bible says, if 880 00:43:01,620 --> 00:43:04,700 S6: you confess with your mouth and just do it unashamedly, 881 00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:06,779 S6: just tell God you're sorry. And quite a few people 882 00:43:06,780 --> 00:43:08,420 S6: have been doing it and it's been very moving. 883 00:43:08,780 --> 00:43:09,180 S8: Wow. 884 00:43:09,580 --> 00:43:11,980 S1: Are you sensing maybe this is just a big question, 885 00:43:11,980 --> 00:43:13,859 S1: but when you and it depends on the person, it 886 00:43:13,860 --> 00:43:16,980 S1: depends on the day. But are you seeing an increased 887 00:43:17,020 --> 00:43:18,819 S1: hunger for God? I mean, we talked about your being 888 00:43:18,820 --> 00:43:21,500 S1: at a turning point event. Are you seeing in a 889 00:43:21,500 --> 00:43:24,739 S1: world that's just it seems to be spinning backwards. Men 890 00:43:24,739 --> 00:43:26,700 S1: doing what's right in their own eyes. Good is called evil. 891 00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:29,259 S1: Evil is called good. There's an uptick in lawlessness. It's 892 00:43:29,260 --> 00:43:32,260 S1: in the news every night. Is there a hunger out there? 893 00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:33,900 S1: Is there a change in what you're seeing? 894 00:43:34,380 --> 00:43:37,620 S6: Absolutely. Jesus said the fields are white to harvest. That's 895 00:43:37,620 --> 00:43:39,779 S6: just the problem, as we haven't gone out to get them. 896 00:43:39,780 --> 00:43:43,860 S6: And Covid did a tremendous favor for the church because 897 00:43:43,900 --> 00:43:45,980 S6: it made sinners confront their own mortality. 898 00:43:46,340 --> 00:43:48,900 S1: Wow, what a wonderful way to look at that, Ray. 899 00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:50,700 S1: Thank you. I just love time with you. And I 900 00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:53,260 S1: love so much the way that you just encourage us 901 00:43:53,260 --> 00:43:56,780 S1: to be ordinary, but obedient people who are willing to say, 902 00:43:56,780 --> 00:43:59,860 S1: here am I, Lord, send me. That's what it takes. Take. 903 00:43:59,980 --> 00:44:03,540 S1: You know, he doesn't call the gifted, he gifts the called. 904 00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:06,940 S1: And there's a big distinction there. Living waters com living waters. 905 00:44:06,940 --> 00:44:09,380 S1: Com I'm telling you, as a friend and a sister 906 00:44:09,380 --> 00:44:11,660 S1: in the Lord, you want to make sure that you're 907 00:44:11,660 --> 00:44:14,340 S1: subscribed to the YouTube channel. Because it's just a wonderful 908 00:44:14,340 --> 00:44:17,380 S1: way of applied Christianity, taking the whole truth of the 909 00:44:17,380 --> 00:44:20,020 S1: whole gospel to the whole world. And by example, you 910 00:44:20,020 --> 00:44:23,140 S1: can learn what it means to be a courageous, compassionate 911 00:44:23,140 --> 00:44:27,380 S1: Christian who is a wonderful ambassador for Christ. And that, 912 00:44:27,380 --> 00:44:29,420 S1: by the way, is all on the resume of one 913 00:44:29,420 --> 00:44:32,980 S1: ray comfort living waters. Com living waters.com. And by the way, 914 00:44:32,980 --> 00:44:35,660 S1: to see that video we've been referencing through this whole conversation, 915 00:44:35,660 --> 00:44:37,500 S1: I got a direct link so you can watch it. 916 00:44:37,540 --> 00:44:39,660 S1: Thank you. Dear brother Ray, I appreciate you so much. 917 00:44:39,660 --> 00:44:41,259 S1: Thank you friends. We'll see you next time on In 918 00:44:41,260 --> 00:44:42,820 S1: the Market with Janet Parshall.