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S1: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

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S2: It is Carl and crew in a whole week where

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S2: we're talking prosperity. And we're going to be getting to

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S2: that in this hour. But first, I want to disavow

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S2: Is anyone else here grateful that we don't have to

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S3: I wouldn't be there yet because my act, my my

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S2: Yeah, we all would. Yeah. My story's pretty gruesome. Actually,

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S2: we can come to God as we are overcome what

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S1: Your spiritual pit stop to keep you going in the race.

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S2: Henry cloud with me right now. Henry, there's is a

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S2: to that. Now, the only hope we have and I

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00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:48,890
S2: know this is Chicago centric here, but pardon us for

445
00:24:48,890 --> 00:24:51,330
S2: a moment here. We got something to celebrate. The bears

446
00:24:51,369 --> 00:24:54,690
S2: are going to be moving to a place called Arlington Heights. Yeah,

447
00:24:54,930 --> 00:24:57,530
S2: and they've got lots of acreage there. And there's a

448
00:24:57,530 --> 00:25:00,330
S2: chance they not only build a stadium, but build a track.

449
00:25:00,330 --> 00:25:03,690
S2: And maybe we could have the Olympics here because we

450
00:25:03,690 --> 00:25:05,970
S2: couldn't get them. Because you can't get from the airport

451
00:25:05,970 --> 00:25:12,810
S2: to downtown without having serious clogged roads, unfortunately.

452
00:25:12,850 --> 00:25:14,170
S6: Very true, very true.

453
00:25:14,410 --> 00:25:16,690
S2: So. So there's there's hope.

454
00:25:16,930 --> 00:25:17,690
S3: There is hope.

455
00:25:17,850 --> 00:25:18,490
S2: There's hope.

456
00:25:18,850 --> 00:25:19,330
S3: But.

457
00:25:19,369 --> 00:25:21,850
S2: All right, just a little quick Chicago thing there. We're

458
00:25:21,850 --> 00:25:27,010
S2: number one. We're in the United States of America. So

459
00:25:27,010 --> 00:25:30,330
S2: just be everyone in Chicago. You aren't losing your minds.

460
00:25:30,330 --> 00:25:33,890
S2: It is that bad. Yeah. It's just it's it's that bad.

461
00:25:34,010 --> 00:25:38,540
S2: That Oh, and I did a dude thing yesterday. Ali,

462
00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:40,220
S2: when you were out. I did.

463
00:25:40,220 --> 00:25:41,100
S7: It. What'd you do?

464
00:25:41,619 --> 00:25:43,619
S2: I was out as well, I did it. It's a

465
00:25:43,619 --> 00:25:48,340
S2: total dude thing, I forgot. Young Thunder's birthday steamrolled you.

466
00:25:48,380 --> 00:25:50,340
S6: I'm texting him this morning going, um.

467
00:25:50,740 --> 00:25:54,020
S2: Do you remember the birthday yesterday? And I said no.

468
00:25:55,460 --> 00:25:58,700
S7: So you just sat here all morning and didn't say anything?

469
00:25:58,700 --> 00:25:59,460
S7: That it was your birthday?

470
00:25:59,460 --> 00:26:00,699
S3: I told him late.

471
00:26:00,740 --> 00:26:03,460
S2: After the show was almost over. We were. We were.

472
00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:04,619
S2: By the way, it's my birthday.

473
00:26:04,660 --> 00:26:07,340
S3: We were well into it when I said, hey, just, uh.

474
00:26:07,380 --> 00:26:07,860
S6: Just.

475
00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:10,580
S3: Just a reminder for content purposes. I'm not trying to

476
00:26:10,580 --> 00:26:12,580
S3: be like, it's my birthday, but, you know, it's.

477
00:26:12,580 --> 00:26:15,060
S2: On the calendar. Who watches? Who looks at calendars? I mean,

478
00:26:15,060 --> 00:26:17,219
S2: I know it was on the calendar just because it

479
00:26:17,260 --> 00:26:20,500
S2: says it right here. Young Thunder's birthday on my run sheet.

480
00:26:20,940 --> 00:26:21,500
S3: Yeah.

481
00:26:21,540 --> 00:26:23,940
S6: It's okay. Jonathan, we got treats today.

482
00:26:23,980 --> 00:26:27,700
S2: Jonathan's birthday. And it's. This is what it said yesterday.

483
00:26:27,740 --> 00:26:30,220
S2: My run cheat. I've got everything right here. And it

484
00:26:30,220 --> 00:26:32,620
S2: says Jonathan's birthday treats tomorrow.

485
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:33,520
S3: Yeah.

486
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,080
S2: So. Well.

487
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,320
S3: Diane is the birthday queen, so she. Absolutely. She keeps

488
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,919
S3: track of all of that stuff. She brings the.

489
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,760
S6: Treats because I was out yesterday. So. Yeah. Treats tomorrow

490
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,320
S6: when I'm back, you know.

491
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:46,160
S3: That's okay.

492
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:46,640
S6: There you go.

493
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,400
S3: Happy belated thank you guys.

494
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,639
S2: So I want to say I want to say a

495
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,280
S2: couple of things here. First off. And from the bottom

496
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,960
S2: of my heart I love you Young Thunder. You are

497
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,520
S2: an inspiration to me. Even though you're 30 years old yesterday.

498
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,440
S2: You're an inspiration. You are a great man of God.

499
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,840
S2: You are a dear soul and I love you so much.

500
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,040
S2: It's so such a joy to be partnered up with

501
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:11,720
S2: you in ministry.

502
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,159
S3: Thank you brother. I really appreciate those words. It's more

503
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,400
S3: encouraging than you know. And, uh, and I'm grateful. So

504
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:17,960
S3: thank you.

505
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,680
S2: And I'm going to give it a go here and

506
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,600
S2: ally and I'm going to help me with the drum

507
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:27,920
S2: roll portion here. But happy birthday to you. Happy birthday

508
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,500
S2: to you. Happy birthday Young.

509
00:27:32,540 --> 00:27:42,180
S8: Thunder. Little Joe Cocker right there. Happy birthday to you.

510
00:27:44,220 --> 00:27:47,659
S3: Yeah. Thank you so much, guys. Appreciate you.

511
00:27:47,820 --> 00:27:49,100
S6: We love you. Have a bagel.

512
00:27:49,140 --> 00:27:49,620
S3: Love you guys.

513
00:27:49,619 --> 00:27:51,140
S6: Too. And I did.

514
00:27:51,180 --> 00:27:54,700
S7: Get a little peek of a video that Young Thunder's

515
00:27:54,700 --> 00:27:55,619
S7: bride sent.

516
00:27:55,619 --> 00:27:55,939
S6: Me.

517
00:27:56,340 --> 00:27:59,260
S7: She had a little surprise for him in the form

518
00:27:59,260 --> 00:28:02,180
S7: of Silly String when he came through the door on

519
00:28:02,180 --> 00:28:04,739
S7: his birthday. So he got silly stringed. Is that a word?

520
00:28:04,780 --> 00:28:06,060
S7: Can you take that silly string?

521
00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:06,580
S3: Silly string?

522
00:28:06,580 --> 00:28:08,419
S7: So I'm going to be posting that up on Facebook

523
00:28:08,460 --> 00:28:11,140
S7: and Instagram on Carl and crew, so you'll find that there.

524
00:28:11,180 --> 00:28:13,020
S2: Did it scare you a little bit when she.

525
00:28:13,060 --> 00:28:15,900
S3: Oh goodness. Yeah. So good. I come into the house

526
00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:19,180
S3: and she was she was standing behind where the door

527
00:28:19,180 --> 00:28:22,220
S3: was gonna swing. So you know. So I opened the door.

528
00:28:22,220 --> 00:28:25,659
S3: I don't see her good. And I walk in a

529
00:28:25,660 --> 00:28:28,659
S3: split second and like, just before she started to spray,

530
00:28:28,660 --> 00:28:32,149
S3: I turned toward the closet and I see her out

531
00:28:32,150 --> 00:28:33,830
S3: of the corner of my eye and my first. My

532
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:35,470
S3: first reaction is to try to get out of the

533
00:28:35,470 --> 00:28:37,710
S3: way and duck, because I see her with her phone

534
00:28:37,710 --> 00:28:40,070
S3: and her silly string can in her hands, and I'm like, ah.

535
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:43,030
S3: And then she got me. And yeah, it was it

536
00:28:43,030 --> 00:28:43,870
S3: was all over.

537
00:28:43,910 --> 00:28:45,670
S6: Way to go, Shannon. Good job.

538
00:28:45,710 --> 00:28:47,310
S3: It was a lot of fun, I loved it.

539
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:52,110
S2: You look at the, uh. Boy is whiplash here, guys,

540
00:28:52,150 --> 00:28:55,630
S2: but we're getting back to regular programming here. We're going

541
00:28:55,670 --> 00:28:59,070
S2: to take your calls on this topic. And I have

542
00:28:59,070 --> 00:29:04,210
S2: been so fired up about this. It was probably 48

543
00:29:04,210 --> 00:29:07,310
S2: hours ago. I was just going through what we're going

544
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:09,550
S2: to be talking about, and we had a little adjustment

545
00:29:10,790 --> 00:29:15,110
S2: because I noticed something in the word that is so

546
00:29:15,230 --> 00:29:20,430
S2: epic Jesus early on, first gospel written gospel of Mark

547
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:24,590
S2: 16 verses in and he's already gone through temptation for

548
00:29:24,590 --> 00:29:29,350
S2: 40 days. And John the Baptist came baptizing for repentance.

549
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:33,330
S2: And then Jesus is baptized and his public ministry is

550
00:29:33,330 --> 00:29:36,610
S2: just kicking off, and he calls Simon and Andrew, and

551
00:29:36,610 --> 00:29:38,850
S2: he says, come, follow me. And they drop their nets.

552
00:29:39,970 --> 00:29:43,210
S2: And they they had been casting them out into the sea.

553
00:29:43,210 --> 00:29:46,170
S2: So they just up and boom, dropped those things and go.

554
00:29:46,490 --> 00:29:50,250
S2: And then James and John, sons of Zebedee, they're mending nets.

555
00:29:50,250 --> 00:29:53,130
S2: And having been a commercial fisherman in Alaska for eight seasons,

556
00:29:53,130 --> 00:29:56,450
S2: I'm with these guys. I mean, I've got the the

557
00:29:56,490 --> 00:29:59,250
S2: repair needle. I'm sorry. I'm knocking things around in here.

558
00:29:59,530 --> 00:30:03,010
S2: I got my the the needle that we use to

559
00:30:03,050 --> 00:30:08,010
S2: repair gear nets, but we called it gear. I got it,

560
00:30:08,050 --> 00:30:11,690
S2: my mind's eye. And they dropped that. And they say, dad,

561
00:30:11,690 --> 00:30:14,210
S2: we got to go. Family business. Glad you got some

562
00:30:14,210 --> 00:30:17,170
S2: guys here on board because we got to go. We're

563
00:30:17,170 --> 00:30:19,450
S2: going to go follow Jesus. You look at the woman

564
00:30:19,450 --> 00:30:21,650
S2: at the well, she had to sit down. Shame. And

565
00:30:21,650 --> 00:30:24,370
S2: she walked out into Samaria and says, you can't believe it.

566
00:30:24,370 --> 00:30:26,810
S2: I met a guy that he told me everything that

567
00:30:26,810 --> 00:30:31,220
S2: you've ever known, but he gave me life and she

568
00:30:31,260 --> 00:30:34,620
S2: set it down. And Josiah, my favorite king, he set

569
00:30:34,620 --> 00:30:37,100
S2: down all the gods of his father and grandfather, and

570
00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:42,780
S2: he torched him and crushed him into ashes. Ground them

571
00:30:42,780 --> 00:30:47,900
S2: into powder. You know, when we follow God, my premise

572
00:30:47,940 --> 00:30:50,100
S2: is this. And I. I'm telling you, I don't care

573
00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:55,020
S2: if it's Moses. He set down palace living to go

574
00:30:55,060 --> 00:30:59,180
S2: lead a bunch of knuckleheads to follow God. Isn't that something?

575
00:30:59,220 --> 00:31:03,300
S7: Yeah. I mean, he could have taken the riches and

576
00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:05,860
S7: the cushy life that was available to him.

577
00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:08,220
S9: Yeah, he could have hung in there, but he didn't.

578
00:31:09,140 --> 00:31:13,460
S2: In Abraham, he took off into who knows where. And Sarah, man,

579
00:31:13,580 --> 00:31:16,620
S2: they're getting visions from God about stars in the sky.

580
00:31:16,620 --> 00:31:21,980
S2: And she's like, ha ha. And and give the line

581
00:31:21,980 --> 00:31:23,020
S2: that you love Ali.

582
00:31:23,500 --> 00:31:27,740
S7: She laughs. And is it the angel of that appears

583
00:31:27,740 --> 00:31:32,040
S7: to them And and she says, I didn't laugh. And

584
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,280
S7: he says, oh, but you did laugh. And I just

585
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,320
S7: for some reason, that is so how it would happen

586
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,080
S7: exactly today. It just always cracks me up.

587
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:41,760
S2: It's beautiful.

588
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:42,320
S3: Relatable.

589
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,160
S2: So relatable. It's this relatable. I want to ask you,

590
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,680
S2: what did you have to set down to follow Jesus?

591
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,959
S2: What did you have to set down to follow Jesus?

592
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,960
S2: It could have been a geography. A place that you

593
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,120
S2: had to leave. Could have been a group of friends could.

594
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,800
S2: I don't want to give you too much because you

595
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,640
S2: know it in your heart right now. Just call in

596
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,160
S2: with that. That's it. That's it. What you have to

597
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,719
S2: set down to follow Jesus.

598
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,080
S1: This is Carol and crew on Moody Radio.

599
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,880
S2: Okay, pop up banner out here really quickly, because we

600
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,640
S2: just got a few days before it kicks off, and

601
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,360
S2: it's candlelight carols. Now, you might say, Carl, it's in Chicago. Yeah,

602
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,580
S2: but it's going to be across the network. Let's get

603
00:32:27,580 --> 00:32:28,740
S2: the details out there, Ali.

604
00:32:28,780 --> 00:32:32,100
S7: Candlelight carols is coming up this weekend, Friday and Saturday.

605
00:32:32,140 --> 00:32:34,459
S7: There are two shows each day. This is going to

606
00:32:34,460 --> 00:32:37,380
S7: be a lot of different types of music, a blend

607
00:32:37,380 --> 00:32:40,460
S7: of drama. There's also going to be a Christmas market.

608
00:32:40,460 --> 00:32:43,860
S7: Food trucks really a great opportunity for you to bring

609
00:32:43,860 --> 00:32:46,660
S7: in the season with your family. Text the word carols

610
00:32:46,660 --> 00:32:52,380
S7: and we'll get you the details. Text carols to 805, 55, 7898.

611
00:32:52,380 --> 00:32:57,420
S7: Carols to 805, 55, 78, 98. Quick note if you're

612
00:32:57,420 --> 00:33:00,660
S7: outside of Chicagoland, December 20th is when we're going to

613
00:33:00,660 --> 00:33:04,460
S7: be replaying Candlelight Carols on the Moody Radio Network.

614
00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:07,300
S2: Yeah, and you want to tune in because it is epic.

615
00:33:07,340 --> 00:33:12,180
S2: I mean, the, the the amount, the amount of talent

616
00:33:12,460 --> 00:33:15,020
S2: and the work that they put into it is profound.

617
00:33:15,060 --> 00:33:17,860
S2: All right. What did you need to lay down to

618
00:33:17,900 --> 00:33:20,340
S2: follow Jesus? That's our question here. Let's get a few

619
00:33:20,340 --> 00:33:21,260
S2: more of you in here.

620
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:24,460
S7: Let's go to Marcy. First time caller from Orrville, Ohio.

621
00:33:24,620 --> 00:33:25,740
S7: What was it for you?

622
00:33:26,030 --> 00:33:31,190
S10: Good morning. I'm so excited. Um, I laid down alcohol. Actually,

623
00:33:31,230 --> 00:33:35,510
S10: I have been free from from drinking. And it is.

624
00:33:35,550 --> 00:33:40,229
S10: It's exhilarating. I never knew how how I could go

625
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:42,750
S10: to family functions. And this time of the year, especially

626
00:33:42,750 --> 00:33:47,390
S10: with the holidays and Thanksgivings and Christmas parties and social

627
00:33:47,390 --> 00:33:51,110
S10: drinking all over and. And how I could just be

628
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:54,030
S10: free from that. It's absolutely the Holy Spirit.

629
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:57,590
S2: You don't need to medicate that pain anymore. Marcy.

630
00:33:57,950 --> 00:34:01,510
S10: No, no, I don't even need to drink casually. I

631
00:34:01,510 --> 00:34:03,710
S10: don't even need to drink. You know, I used to

632
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:05,590
S10: even I got to the point where I was limiting

633
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:07,470
S10: where it's like, oh, I'll just have, like, 1 or

634
00:34:07,470 --> 00:34:10,230
S10: 2 or I don't, I don't know. I was rationalizing like,

635
00:34:10,390 --> 00:34:15,590
S10: everyone drinks. And so, um, but I just this is just,

636
00:34:15,630 --> 00:34:18,150
S10: you know, personally, I, you know, not a judgment on,

637
00:34:18,150 --> 00:34:18,830
S10: on people's.

638
00:34:18,830 --> 00:34:19,390
S9: Opinions.

639
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:22,950
S10: Of alcohol, but for, but for me, it's been like

640
00:34:22,989 --> 00:34:28,410
S10: the most Profound, um, decision I've ever made.

641
00:34:28,610 --> 00:34:29,010
S9: Yeah.

642
00:34:29,010 --> 00:34:29,930
S2: It's great. Marcy.

643
00:34:30,170 --> 00:34:33,410
S10: Um, it's it's awesome. So.

644
00:34:33,770 --> 00:34:37,690
S2: Boom. Sister, that is powerhouse. Thank you for calling in today.

645
00:34:37,730 --> 00:34:39,450
S2: Got a question for you. And we're going to get

646
00:34:39,450 --> 00:34:41,410
S2: a bunch of calls in here if we can. All

647
00:34:41,410 --> 00:34:42,370
S2: we need is. You ready?

648
00:34:42,650 --> 00:34:44,970
S7: Yep. We're ready for you. What did you have to

649
00:34:45,090 --> 00:34:48,649
S7: put down or lay down in order to follow Christ?

650
00:34:48,690 --> 00:34:52,209
S7: 800 555 7898.

651
00:34:52,250 --> 00:34:55,250
S2: Lisa, first time caller, Central Florida. What do you say, Lisa?

652
00:34:56,210 --> 00:35:00,729
S11: Good morning. Chicago. Um, Central Florida, former Chicagoan here, but

653
00:35:00,730 --> 00:35:04,210
S11: I have never tuned in. And when you asked, it

654
00:35:04,210 --> 00:35:07,610
S11: was really reflective. Two years ago, I was laid off

655
00:35:07,610 --> 00:35:13,810
S11: from a very glamorous PR job and followed many glamorous

656
00:35:13,810 --> 00:35:19,049
S11: opportunities in corporate America like space X or Global Marriott

657
00:35:19,050 --> 00:35:22,610
S11: and things of the such. And God continued to tell me,

658
00:35:22,610 --> 00:35:26,380
S11: I don't want your money anymore. I want your time

659
00:35:27,020 --> 00:35:32,340
S11: and had to go into a calling hiatus of what

660
00:35:32,340 --> 00:35:37,939
S11: continues to be over two years of basically giving up

661
00:35:37,940 --> 00:35:41,620
S11: most of my financial income to give God my time.

662
00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:47,259
S2: Wow, Lisa, that is powerful and fresh for you. Way

663
00:35:47,260 --> 00:35:49,820
S2: to go, sister. Here's the promise in Scripture. The gospel

664
00:35:49,820 --> 00:35:52,620
S2: is going to keep expanding in your soul. Isn't that sweet?

665
00:35:54,020 --> 00:35:58,780
S11: Absolutely. And just, you know, him opening doors to share

666
00:35:58,780 --> 00:36:03,500
S11: the gospel and have multiple virtual Bible studies with people

667
00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:06,100
S11: that he's entrusted and put in my life, and just

668
00:36:06,140 --> 00:36:11,900
S11: seeing the spiritual fruit versus the financial or and always providing.

669
00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:15,500
S11: So he's provided in one form or another. Um, but

670
00:36:15,540 --> 00:36:18,299
S11: in addition to that, I see spiritual fruit in my

671
00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:24,400
S11: family and friends. And, um, the gospel indeed is expanding.

672
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,680
S11: And so it's encouraging because he can when he calls.

673
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:34,000
S11: And if you open that door, he will do things

674
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,360
S11: you can't dream of.

675
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,560
S2: Okay, I've got something for you. I don't often get this,

676
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,680
S2: but I have a deep prompting from the Holy Spirit.

677
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,360
S2: I need you to listen close, Lisa. Though all those

678
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,960
S2: PR chops that you've got, I can hear. I can

679
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,880
S2: tell by your voice. I can tell in an instant.

680
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,080
S2: As a lead pastor, I can spot this in a

681
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:59,279
S2: New York second. God's given you talent big time. And

682
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,200
S2: I'm asking you to go to your pastor and tell

683
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:08,120
S2: him I can. You use my gifting for standing up

684
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,160
S2: and being able to clearly communicate where we're going here?

685
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,680
S2: As a church, you might be a convener on a Sunday,

686
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,680
S2: might be someone like that. I know this sounds crazy,

687
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,680
S2: but I'm asking you by faith to go do it. Lisa,

688
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,540
S2: I'm telling you, sister, God's got some big stuff in

689
00:37:24,540 --> 00:37:25,700
S2: front of you. You hear me?

690
00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:31,220
S11: Wow. Yeah, because I've been fighting that.

691
00:37:32,540 --> 00:37:35,899
S2: Yeah, I'm. I'm. I'm just telling you, you won't make

692
00:37:35,900 --> 00:37:41,820
S2: much cheddar. Trust me, I'm in the biz called Church World. But. Yeah, let's.

693
00:37:41,820 --> 00:37:44,980
S2: Let's go there, sister. I'm proud of you. Boom! That

694
00:37:44,980 --> 00:37:47,020
S2: is beautiful. Isn't that a great story, Ali?

695
00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:50,540
S7: I mean, yes, and the fact that the Holy Spirit

696
00:37:50,540 --> 00:37:54,459
S7: is prompting you to encourage her in that specific way. Lisa,

697
00:37:54,460 --> 00:37:56,500
S7: I'm really excited for you for that.

698
00:37:56,780 --> 00:38:01,940
S2: Yeah, it's so cool. Okay. Really quickly. Debbie. Uh, Covington, Indiana.

699
00:38:01,980 --> 00:38:03,739
S2: First time caller. What do you say? What? Are you

700
00:38:03,780 --> 00:38:04,420
S2: sitting down?

701
00:38:05,540 --> 00:38:10,259
S12: Hi. Good morning. Um, so you can God reveal to

702
00:38:10,260 --> 00:38:12,299
S12: me a long time ago that even good things can

703
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:17,580
S12: become idols. And, uh, when I had my two lovely boys,

704
00:38:18,180 --> 00:38:21,910
S12: they became my idols. And, um, I was so obsessed

705
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:27,270
S12: with them. And, uh, fear took over and control and anxiety.

706
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:29,469
S12: And the hardest thing that God ever asked me to

707
00:38:29,469 --> 00:38:34,030
S12: do was to give me my child. Give him my children. Wow. And, um.

708
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:39,670
S12: And I remember going forward and kneeling and laying them

709
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:42,870
S12: at the altar like a sacrifice and saying, God, they're yours.

710
00:38:42,910 --> 00:38:46,030
S12: They were never mine to begin with. They're yours. And

711
00:38:46,030 --> 00:38:49,390
S12: the moment that happened, it was like this release of

712
00:38:49,390 --> 00:38:52,110
S12: all this anxiety and fear and like, what's going to

713
00:38:52,110 --> 00:38:54,350
S12: happen to my children? What are they going to do?

714
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:57,589
S12: You know what? But it all went away. And it

715
00:38:57,590 --> 00:39:00,350
S12: was it was God, you're going to use them and

716
00:39:00,510 --> 00:39:02,190
S12: you're going to be the one. You're going to be

717
00:39:02,190 --> 00:39:05,469
S12: the father. You're going to you're I trust them, and

718
00:39:05,469 --> 00:39:08,989
S12: I trust you enough to take them and do what

719
00:39:08,989 --> 00:39:12,590
S12: you need to do. So, um, a little different, but yeah,

720
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:14,510
S12: I had no I had to lay down.

721
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:19,510
S2: Different but powerful for a lot of people listening today. Right, Ali?

722
00:39:19,550 --> 00:39:21,850
S7: Very much so. Thank you for your call this morning, Debbie.

723
00:39:22,130 --> 00:39:27,730
S1: That's powerhouse walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening

724
00:39:27,770 --> 00:39:28,970
S1: to Carl and crew.

725
00:39:30,170 --> 00:39:32,570
S2: Oh my goodness. So you got to set something down.

726
00:39:32,570 --> 00:39:35,170
S2: Scott Lake, Zurich, Illinois. Thanks for holding on. What'd you

727
00:39:35,170 --> 00:39:37,969
S2: have to set down to follow? Jesus. And boy, everything

728
00:39:37,969 --> 00:39:39,530
S2: grew from there, didn't it, buddy?

729
00:39:40,610 --> 00:39:42,569
S13: Yeah. First off, I want to say all that you

730
00:39:42,570 --> 00:39:44,890
S13: guys just said proves God's got a sense of humor.

731
00:39:45,210 --> 00:39:45,890
S2: Yeah, that's.

732
00:39:45,890 --> 00:39:46,770
S6: A fact, right?

733
00:39:47,810 --> 00:39:50,810
S13: I had to set down my pride. Um, you know,

734
00:39:50,850 --> 00:39:54,490
S13: growing up, I was always prideful in who I am,

735
00:39:54,530 --> 00:39:58,330
S13: my my heritage and all of that. And that became

736
00:39:58,330 --> 00:40:03,090
S13: an idol to me. And I it was almost like

737
00:40:03,130 --> 00:40:07,609
S13: a sense of righteousness that I, I was following the rules.

738
00:40:07,610 --> 00:40:10,130
S13: I had to make sure everybody else followed the rules.

739
00:40:10,130 --> 00:40:13,730
S13: And all of that came from pride. And then where

740
00:40:13,730 --> 00:40:18,250
S13: that led to as I was growing up was I

741
00:40:18,250 --> 00:40:20,830
S13: was proud of who I was, and I didn't want

742
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:21,430
S13: to show.

743
00:40:21,950 --> 00:40:23,229
S2: Um, what you were.

744
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:26,989
S13: Might be vulnerable out there. And being Christian, you know,

745
00:40:26,989 --> 00:40:29,069
S13: and I still struggle with that. I still have to

746
00:40:29,110 --> 00:40:32,590
S13: lay that down almost daily. But pride was the biggest

747
00:40:32,590 --> 00:40:33,950
S13: thing that I had to lay down.

748
00:40:33,989 --> 00:40:36,830
S2: I love it. Scott. Man, that's honest, bro. Dawg. And

749
00:40:36,830 --> 00:40:40,790
S2: that's beautiful. And I'm proud of you. See, it's it's.

750
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:43,310
S2: And boom. This is why we call you the boom crew.

751
00:40:43,390 --> 00:40:47,670
S2: I love this so much. I'm. I'm so noodling on it.

752
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:50,149
S2: I I'm not going to write a book about it,

753
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:53,270
S2: but I thought it would be a great book. All, all.

754
00:40:53,310 --> 00:40:55,989
S2: You go all the way through from Genesis to Revelation

755
00:40:55,989 --> 00:40:59,509
S2: and all the people that experienced the bounty of God.

756
00:41:00,230 --> 00:41:06,190
S2: I contend everyone had to set down something. Everyone had to.

757
00:41:06,670 --> 00:41:08,629
S7: Yeah. I'm sitting here kind of thinking about that in

758
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:11,350
S7: real time. And I mean, you often say that you

759
00:41:11,390 --> 00:41:15,470
S7: you don't have Jesus as an add on to your life. No.

760
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:17,350
S7: You don't take him and add him on to everything

761
00:41:17,350 --> 00:41:18,720
S7: you already got going on?

762
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:23,920
S2: No, the add on people are not born again. That's.

763
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,960
S2: You're right on. Ali, you're going to get me up

764
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:26,680
S2: on a soapbox.

765
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:27,320
S6: Okay.

766
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,160
S2: I'm. I'm telling you guys, this is a big deal.

767
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,280
S2: Maybe one of the greatest evidences of authentic faith is

768
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,799
S2: when you can point to something of value that you

769
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,680
S2: had to set down to follow Jesus. Okay, quick one

770
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,839
S2: here before we get to David Nelms, because he's live

771
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:51,400
S2: he lives works in regions where without setting something down,

772
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,120
S2: there is no salvation and the cost is incredibly high.

773
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,840
S2: But I forgot something yesterday while you girls were out.

774
00:41:58,880 --> 00:41:59,680
S6: What'd you forget?

775
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,160
S2: True. Dude thing. Total dude. Total dude thing here, right?

776
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:05,799
S7: I know where we're going with this.

777
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,120
S2: Total dude thing. So let me just riff on my

778
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,680
S2: own here. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you.

779
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,420
S2: Happy birthday, young thunder. Give me a drum roll. somebody.

780
00:42:17,460 --> 00:42:22,259
S2: For the final finish. Here. There we go. Happy birthday

781
00:42:22,260 --> 00:42:25,259
S2: to you. And on a serious note, I want to

782
00:42:25,260 --> 00:42:27,420
S2: tell you, Young Thunder, I love you. I'm proud of you.

783
00:42:28,020 --> 00:42:31,299
S2: I am such a big fan of yours. And on

784
00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:33,739
S2: a serious note, my birthday gift to you this year

785
00:42:33,739 --> 00:42:36,940
S2: is just saying you are an incredible dude. And I'm

786
00:42:36,940 --> 00:42:39,259
S2: so privileged and humbled to be working with you.

787
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:41,900
S3: Oh, thank you man. I'm. I am privileged and humbled

788
00:42:41,900 --> 00:42:43,540
S3: to be working with you. All of you.

789
00:42:43,580 --> 00:42:45,100
S6: Oh, this is so sweet.

790
00:42:45,140 --> 00:42:48,980
S3: Yeah. It's a it's a good time. I'm really excited

791
00:42:48,980 --> 00:42:51,340
S3: for what God has for me in the future and

792
00:42:51,340 --> 00:42:53,500
S3: where he's brought me to up to this point.

793
00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:59,700
S6: Yeah. Happy birthday. Thank you. Thunder. Misty. Yesterday. Happy. Happy.

794
00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:00,980
S6: I know we missed his.

795
00:43:00,980 --> 00:43:01,460
S7: Birthday.

796
00:43:01,460 --> 00:43:01,780
S6: But.

797
00:43:02,260 --> 00:43:03,739
S7: We're celebrating you a day.

798
00:43:03,780 --> 00:43:05,820
S6: Late. I brought treats. Is that okay?

799
00:43:06,140 --> 00:43:06,660
S3: I'll take.

800
00:43:06,660 --> 00:43:07,300
S6: Them. Okay.

801
00:43:08,820 --> 00:43:13,340
S2: All right. Noodling on this thing out of Mach one. And, uh,

802
00:43:13,340 --> 00:43:15,299
S2: a little bit of a theme shift from where I

803
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:18,390
S2: started here an hour ago. But hey, that's the way

804
00:43:18,430 --> 00:43:21,030
S2: God rolls in our hearts around here. But look, here's

805
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:24,350
S2: the deal. You gotta set something down. If you're going

806
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:26,990
S2: to follow Jesus. You know how we pressure test this?

807
00:43:27,230 --> 00:43:30,190
S2: We go to the toughest places in the world, and it's.

808
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:33,710
S2: I'm sure it's evident. David Nelms, the expert on this

809
00:43:33,710 --> 00:43:35,070
S2: stuff coming up. Hang on.

810
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:38,469
S1: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

811
00:43:38,670 --> 00:43:42,070
S2: You know, I get asked this as a pastor very often,

812
00:43:42,310 --> 00:43:46,109
S2: and we get asked this via text, email, people sometimes

813
00:43:46,110 --> 00:43:48,790
S2: spiritually freaking out. How can I know that I'm really

814
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:52,990
S2: born again? There's a lot of ways that Scripture points

815
00:43:52,989 --> 00:43:56,950
S2: to evidence that you're truly transformed, but one of them

816
00:43:56,950 --> 00:44:00,790
S2: is this rather than just as Ali just spoke about

817
00:44:00,790 --> 00:44:05,710
S2: an ad on Jesus the Greatest, I think initial evidence

818
00:44:05,710 --> 00:44:09,510
S2: that you are a follower of Jesus is that you

819
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:14,190
S2: have left something in order to take hold of following him,

820
00:44:14,350 --> 00:44:20,250
S2: something has to be set down. David Nelms. It's true,

821
00:44:20,250 --> 00:44:22,970
S2: isn't it, buddy? You see it wherever you work, don't you?

822
00:44:23,770 --> 00:44:26,570
S14: Yeah, I do. Carl, it's good to hear your voice,

823
00:44:26,570 --> 00:44:29,569
S14: by the way. But yeah, I do, pretty much everywhere.

824
00:44:29,969 --> 00:44:32,170
S7: Doctor David Nelms, our guest right now, he's the founder

825
00:44:32,170 --> 00:44:35,450
S7: of the Timothy Initiative. Tell us a little bit about

826
00:44:35,450 --> 00:44:38,049
S7: what you do that we've alluded to it, but give

827
00:44:38,050 --> 00:44:40,410
S7: us the flyover about Timothy Initiative.

828
00:44:40,850 --> 00:44:46,129
S14: We train indigenous leaders primarily in countries where there's a

829
00:44:46,130 --> 00:44:50,609
S14: heavy volume of unreached people groups. We train them to

830
00:44:50,650 --> 00:44:55,610
S14: make disciple makers. Some of them then in turn plant churches.

831
00:44:56,130 --> 00:44:59,690
S14: It's a little bit different model. We're not after church

832
00:44:59,690 --> 00:45:03,650
S14: growth as much as we are church health, which leads

833
00:45:03,650 --> 00:45:09,650
S14: to rapid reproduction and multiplication. So if you're in a

834
00:45:09,650 --> 00:45:13,009
S14: people group with a thousand villages, there may only be

835
00:45:13,010 --> 00:45:15,590
S14: a church in ten or 15 or 20 of them.

836
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:19,190
S14: And so the goal is to have a body of

837
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:24,310
S14: believers within walking distance of every man, woman, boy and

838
00:45:24,310 --> 00:45:28,670
S14: girl in that people group. We call that goal achieve,

839
00:45:28,670 --> 00:45:33,190
S14: which is an acronym for a church in every village, everywhere.

840
00:45:33,830 --> 00:45:36,990
S14: And so that's a real quick overview of what we do.

841
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:40,790
S2: That's dynamite. David Nelms, you, uh, have a vantage point.

842
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:45,029
S2: That's dynamite. And we've we struggle here in the West,

843
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:47,590
S2: and we tackle this all the time. And it's because

844
00:45:47,590 --> 00:45:52,310
S2: it's such a veil of deception. This notion that we

845
00:45:52,350 --> 00:45:56,150
S2: can add Jesus to our life without giving up anything.

846
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:59,790
S2: Now we get it. It's a free gift of salvation.

847
00:46:00,110 --> 00:46:03,109
S2: But the fact is, the cost of discipleship, whether it's

848
00:46:03,110 --> 00:46:06,030
S2: the woman at the well who sat down shame. Whether

849
00:46:06,030 --> 00:46:10,190
S2: it's King Josiah who followed God by torching all of

850
00:46:10,190 --> 00:46:13,040
S2: his dad and grandads false gods and going after the

851
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,320
S2: God of his father, David. Whether it's Matthew who gave

852
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,279
S2: up ill gotten gained to follow Jesus, whether it's you,

853
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,600
S2: name it James. John, who left a family business with

854
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:28,280
S2: Zebedee and set down fishing nets. Everybody sets down something.

855
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,400
S2: The question I have is, what are people setting down

856
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,160
S2: in the areas in which you work? And that cost

857
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,960
S2: attached to following Jesus?

858
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,200
S14: Yeah. Well, you're so right. And I would say in

859
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,839
S14: many of the places where we're working, they are literally

860
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:51,399
S14: setting down everything, literally everything, including their lives. Nigeria has

861
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,480
S14: been in the news a lot lately. We we are training,

862
00:46:55,640 --> 00:47:00,000
S14: I don't know, 10,000 plus church planters across Nigeria. I

863
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,600
S14: can tell you those brothers and sisters, it cost them

864
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:08,720
S14: literally everything, especially those in the northern part of the country.

865
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:14,420
S14: I was in a West African country recently, less than 1%

866
00:47:14,420 --> 00:47:19,100
S14: Christian evangelical. And they told me about a young man

867
00:47:19,100 --> 00:47:21,460
S14: who had become a follower of Christ, first one ever

868
00:47:21,460 --> 00:47:25,700
S14: in his family. It cost him everything. In fact, he

869
00:47:25,700 --> 00:47:30,780
S14: was killed four months later, martyred four months after his baptism.

870
00:47:31,340 --> 00:47:34,900
S14: But they were rejoicing for this reason. They called the

871
00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:36,700
S14: name of their country, which I don't want to say

872
00:47:36,700 --> 00:47:40,380
S14: for security reasons. But they said here in and they

873
00:47:40,380 --> 00:47:43,300
S14: call their country. We have a saying that it takes

874
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:47,299
S14: two years to make one convert. It's how difficult it

875
00:47:47,300 --> 00:47:50,620
S14: is because it cost them everything. But in the past

876
00:47:50,620 --> 00:47:54,540
S14: two years, with the work there, they had seen 51

877
00:47:54,580 --> 00:47:59,580
S14: little churches started with 600 new believers. And so they

878
00:47:59,620 --> 00:48:03,220
S14: were all laughing and rejoicing, saying, we can no longer

879
00:48:03,219 --> 00:48:06,819
S14: say it takes two years to make a single convert,

880
00:48:06,980 --> 00:48:10,540
S14: because we've seen 600 in these last two years. And

881
00:48:10,540 --> 00:48:13,400
S14: by the way, I just got a text, a picture

882
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,919
S14: from them this past week. They just had 12 more

883
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,440
S14: baptisms there and 12th May not seem like a.

884
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:20,560
S15: Oh, it's a lot.

885
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,120
S14: Listen for there because it literally cost them every I

886
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,680
S14: mean it's I've seen mothers with little children kicked out

887
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,760
S14: of their homes and homeless because they came to Christ.

888
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,879
S14: I met a lady this this summer who was beaten

889
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:38,080
S14: by her husband badly because she came to Christ. I

890
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,319
S14: met a, uh, what we call a Paul. A trainer

891
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,640
S14: who had he converted from Islam, led his wife to

892
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:50,400
S14: the Lord, and his wife's family was so furious they

893
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,120
S14: beat him up, took back their daughter, his wife and

894
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,520
S14: his son. He went to the police and they said,

895
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,880
S14: you're the one that broke the law. You know, it's

896
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,840
S14: illegal to convert people. It's been a year and a

897
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,120
S14: half since he's seen his wife and his baby, and

898
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,600
S14: he knows that legally, he has no hope of ever

899
00:49:09,730 --> 00:49:12,130
S14: seeing them again. And yet as he stood there telling

900
00:49:12,130 --> 00:49:15,810
S14: me that story. He's also telling me how he is

901
00:49:15,810 --> 00:49:20,810
S14: faithfully training what we call Timothy's. To make disciples and

902
00:49:20,810 --> 00:49:26,330
S14: plant churches. So yeah, it there. We have brothers and sisters,

903
00:49:26,890 --> 00:49:31,650
S14: Carl and Allie, all over the world. It's costing them everything.

904
00:49:32,090 --> 00:49:35,730
S14: Why should it not cost us everything? It cost him

905
00:49:35,730 --> 00:49:39,570
S14: everything to redeem us. And it cost him his blood.

906
00:49:39,610 --> 00:49:42,330
S14: I don't know why it shouldn't cost us a good

907
00:49:42,330 --> 00:49:43,010
S14: deal to.

908
00:49:43,130 --> 00:49:49,130
S2: Yeah, yeah. David, this is. It's almost breathtaking to hear this. Um,

909
00:49:49,170 --> 00:49:50,770
S2: you know, I think a lot of people hear that,

910
00:49:50,770 --> 00:49:53,650
S2: and they go, I couldn't stand up under that. And

911
00:49:53,690 --> 00:49:58,570
S2: in in the truest sense, we don't really receive that

912
00:49:58,570 --> 00:50:03,290
S2: grace until that grace is required. Don't you see that, David?

913
00:50:03,290 --> 00:50:05,569
S2: Because if we're honest, you and me, brother, I mean,

914
00:50:05,610 --> 00:50:08,529
S2: we're all in with Jesus. We know we've been redeemed.

915
00:50:08,530 --> 00:50:11,630
S2: We know we've been reclaimed. We're we know we're pieces

916
00:50:11,630 --> 00:50:15,270
S2: of work. Ali knows she's a piece of work. But

917
00:50:15,870 --> 00:50:20,270
S2: we it seems that because I've tried to picture myself

918
00:50:20,270 --> 00:50:23,790
S2: being in one of those situations, I can honestly say,

919
00:50:23,830 --> 00:50:27,070
S2: apart from the grace of God, the unction of the spirit,

920
00:50:27,070 --> 00:50:31,030
S2: in that moment, we won't persevere. That's evidence that there's

921
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:33,310
S2: an infilling of the Holy Spirit. What are your thoughts

922
00:50:33,310 --> 00:50:34,150
S2: on that, David?

923
00:50:34,469 --> 00:50:38,710
S14: Well, Amen to everything. Amen to everything you just said.

924
00:50:38,910 --> 00:50:42,630
S14: And God gives grace, for grace is needed. And, you know,

925
00:50:42,750 --> 00:50:45,790
S14: it's I think we have to look at it as Carl.

926
00:50:45,830 --> 00:50:49,310
S14: I've never gotten over the fact I'm 71. I got

927
00:50:49,310 --> 00:50:51,549
S14: saved when I was eight years old. I didn't I

928
00:50:51,590 --> 00:50:55,990
S14: didn't understand it. I didn't understand everything about salvation then. Obviously,

929
00:50:55,989 --> 00:50:59,310
S14: I'm not sure that I do now. Okay. But but

930
00:50:59,310 --> 00:51:04,350
S14: I've never gotten over the fact that the almighty creator

931
00:51:04,350 --> 00:51:08,040
S14: of the heavens and the earth love me so much.

932
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,719
S14: He sent his son to die for me. If I

933
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:12,759
S14: were God, I would. I would have looked at me

934
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,280
S14: and walked on by and I would not have given

935
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:19,160
S14: me a second look. But he loved me, and he.

936
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,640
S14: He gave his son to die for me. And so

937
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,480
S14: I just look at it as what an honor, what

938
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,840
S14: an honor to be able to give up anything for him.

939
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,440
S14: I don't I don't want to give up stuff if

940
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,320
S14: I don't have to, but I want to be willing to.

941
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,440
S14: And I think when that time comes, I think he

942
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:38,600
S14: provides the grace.

943
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:43,960
S2: Yeah. He does. David Nelms. Um, my bride and I

944
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:48,040
S2: are actually going to be joining, uh, a little group

945
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,279
S2: that are going to. I'm, I'm just going to call

946
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,000
S2: it an undisclosed area in this world to check out

947
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,960
S2: what the Timothy Initiative is up to. And that's, that's

948
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,880
S2: coming up in early 2026. That's all I'm going to say.

949
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:08,100
S2: And I'm looking forward to it only because. As there's

950
00:52:08,100 --> 00:52:12,380
S2: something so inspirational. David, I think the best part is

951
00:52:12,380 --> 00:52:15,540
S2: you walk, you get back on a plane. Coming stateside.

952
00:52:16,219 --> 00:52:19,980
S2: Holiness has a whole new definition for you, doesn't it, friend?

953
00:52:20,900 --> 00:52:24,660
S14: Yeah it does. It really does. Can I tell you

954
00:52:24,660 --> 00:52:25,340
S14: a quick story?

955
00:52:25,380 --> 00:52:27,180
S2: Yeah. Do it, man. Do it.

956
00:52:27,219 --> 00:52:31,900
S14: Yeah. I was in a communist country this summer, and

957
00:52:32,380 --> 00:52:36,339
S14: all Buddhists 100%. And we had a baptism out of

958
00:52:36,340 --> 00:52:39,980
S14: the ocean, and I think 68 new believers got baptized.

959
00:52:40,060 --> 00:52:44,060
S14: They were so excited. They were so excited. And there

960
00:52:44,060 --> 00:52:46,620
S14: was a lady laying there in a hammock tied between

961
00:52:46,620 --> 00:52:50,379
S14: two coconut trees. She was sick. Been a Buddhist all

962
00:52:50,380 --> 00:52:52,980
S14: her life. Little church, first church ever in that area.

963
00:52:53,380 --> 00:52:56,259
S14: And she couldn't walk. But she was so sick. But

964
00:52:56,260 --> 00:52:59,140
S14: she wanted to get baptized. And so they picked her

965
00:52:59,140 --> 00:53:00,819
S14: up and they brought her out to the beach. They

966
00:53:00,820 --> 00:53:03,299
S14: put her in the hammock. She was the last one.

967
00:53:03,300 --> 00:53:05,880
S14: They carried her out, set her down in the water

968
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,839
S14: at the edge of the of the ocean there, and

969
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:13,280
S14: the waves are hitting her across her back. And they

970
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,600
S14: they filled up a bowl of water and poured over

971
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,280
S14: her head. Carl, it was kind of a half Baptist,

972
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,000
S14: half Presbyterian baptism.

973
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,640
S16: Okay. Yeah. God saw it as the full thing.

974
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,160
S14: Yeah. But anyway, when she got baptized, she was able

975
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:30,879
S14: to walk back to the hammock, and and I saw her,

976
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,239
S14: and she. There was just a peace over her. And

977
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,800
S14: I got the message after I got home. She died

978
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,320
S14: two days later. But her. Here's what her husband said.

979
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,680
S14: And this fits with what you guys are teaching us

980
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,200
S14: this morning. Her husband said this. He said, do not

981
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,560
S14: feel sorry for me or my wife. He said those

982
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,200
S14: two days were the happiest days of my wife's life.

983
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,600
S14: She was full of peace and joy and comfort. He

984
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,560
S14: said the shame was gone. All those, those, those chains

985
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:05,330
S14: were broken. The guilt was gone. He said. Those are

986
00:54:05,330 --> 00:54:08,930
S14: the two were the two happiest days of her life,

987
00:54:08,930 --> 00:54:12,210
S14: and now she's in heaven with her creator God, and

988
00:54:12,210 --> 00:54:15,930
S14: he's been going all through his village telling that story.

989
00:54:16,170 --> 00:54:20,049
S14: And so, you know, uh, what she gave up was

990
00:54:20,090 --> 00:54:24,890
S14: guilt and shame and, and sin. And so, you know,

991
00:54:25,170 --> 00:54:28,609
S14: let's tell the world. Amen. Amen. Let's just tell everybody.

992
00:54:28,930 --> 00:54:32,250
S2: Amen. Ali, we've got a link here. And there's some

993
00:54:32,250 --> 00:54:36,090
S2: people listening right now who, you know, you hear something

994
00:54:36,090 --> 00:54:40,370
S2: like this and it's like, let's give to that.

995
00:54:41,370 --> 00:54:41,890
S6: Yeah.

996
00:54:42,610 --> 00:54:46,570
S2: Let's let's give to that. Well, we got away. Ali's

997
00:54:46,570 --> 00:54:47,450
S2: got the goods here.

998
00:54:47,489 --> 00:54:52,890
S7: Yeah. Timothy initiative. They are making disciple makers a disciple

999
00:54:52,930 --> 00:54:57,050
S7: to 855 five, 78, 98. You can find out all

1000
00:54:57,050 --> 00:54:59,930
S7: about the ministry, what they do, how you can get involved.

1001
00:54:59,969 --> 00:55:04,570
S7: Text disciple to 800 555 7898.