WEBVTT - Hour 2: The Power of the Gospel 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:11.960 Hello friends. It's time for the second hour of Open 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:17.540 Line with Doctor Michael Radonich Moody Radio's Bible Study Across America. 0:00:17.540 --> 0:00:21.680 We're talking about your questions about the Bible, God and 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:24.770 the spiritual life. My name is Michael Radonich. I'm the 0:00:24.770 --> 0:00:27.590 academic dean and professor of Jewish studies and Bible here 0:00:27.590 --> 0:00:31.610 at Moody Bible Institute. We're live today sitting around the 0:00:31.610 --> 0:00:34.640 radio kitchen table taking your questions. Time to give me 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:47.330 a call. The phone number (877) 548-3675. That's (877) 548-3675. If you 0:00:47.330 --> 0:00:51.830 can't call, just go to our website Openline radio.org. 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Cindy, how 0:02:48.130 --> 0:02:49.119 can I help you? 0:02:49.630 --> 0:02:52.630 Good morning doctor. I love your program. 0:02:52.630 --> 0:02:53.440 Thank you. 0:02:54.190 --> 0:02:59.980 My question is, uh, are Christians supposed to vote? And 0:02:59.980 --> 0:03:02.080 I guess the main reason I'm asking that I don't 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:05.650 want to stand before God and have him ask, why 0:03:05.650 --> 0:03:09.220 didn't you give a voice to the unborn? Thank you. 0:03:09.250 --> 0:03:12.850 So, uh, here's the question I have Cindy. What about 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:17.440 off off elections? Like, uh, not the presidential election. Do 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:19.630 you feel an obligation to vote then? 0:03:20.830 --> 0:03:21.610 Yes. 0:03:21.610 --> 0:03:26.200 How about the other the really off off elections, you know, 0:03:26.230 --> 0:03:31.480 not when congressional candidates like in 26, they'll be congressional 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:36.340 candidates being elected. But what about in between in 2025? Every. 0:03:36.730 --> 0:03:38.860 Excuse me every single time. 0:03:38.860 --> 0:03:41.950 So you feel an obligation to vote up till even 0:03:41.950 --> 0:03:45.310 like the school board or, you know, city council or 0:03:45.340 --> 0:03:46.840 things like that, right? 0:03:47.620 --> 0:03:48.490 Absolutely. 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:53.560 Okay, let me just say that I don't think that 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:58.280 the scriptures give us an absolute command that we must vote. 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:00.110 So I don't think it's a matter of sin or 0:04:00.140 --> 0:04:03.080 not sin. The way I think of it is that 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:06.050 we're expected to be good citizens. I think that is 0:04:06.050 --> 0:04:10.370 something that we're responsible for, and it's a wisdom principle 0:04:10.370 --> 0:04:14.660 in Scripture to be a good citizen. And if that's 0:04:14.660 --> 0:04:18.350 the case, a good citizen would vote. And I, I 0:04:18.380 --> 0:04:24.680 concur with you that it is wisdom to vote every 0:04:24.710 --> 0:04:27.799 time we get a chance that that that's a great 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:31.039 privilege that we have here as American citizens. It's a 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:35.120 privilege that we miss out on way too much. And 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:40.640 I think that it's really important for followers of Jesus 0:04:40.910 --> 0:04:45.289 to have our influence in our vote. I'm thinking about 0:04:45.290 --> 0:04:48.679 the kind of curricula that students have. Voting for the 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:53.720 Board of Education is, you know, the. That's crucial. Uh, 0:04:53.810 --> 0:04:58.440 I think it's so important that we speak up, even 0:04:58.470 --> 0:05:05.490 in what appears to be minor issues. So wisdom dictates 0:05:05.490 --> 0:05:08.700 that we're to be good citizens, and good citizens vote. 0:05:08.700 --> 0:05:13.320 And so I hope, I hope, Cindy, that more people 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.049 adopt your attitude. I don't think you're asking whether I 0:05:16.050 --> 0:05:19.200 think it's a good idea. Uh, I think you were 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.690 trying to say you think it's a good idea. And 0:05:21.690 --> 0:05:23.580 I agree with you. Okay. 0:05:24.390 --> 0:05:27.000 Thank you so much. It just breaks my heart when 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:30.299 I hear, I don't know if this is accurate, that 50% 0:05:30.300 --> 0:05:32.969 of Christians do not vote. 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:36.360 Mhm. Yeah. I think that we have a great privilege 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.460 here in the United States. I think that the only 0:05:38.460 --> 0:05:41.130 way we can have a one of the ways that 0:05:41.130 --> 0:05:45.300 we can have our greatest impact is by expressing our 0:05:45.300 --> 0:05:48.000 values with our votes. And I think it's important that 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:51.539 we do that. So uh, unfortunately, you know, I have 0:05:51.540 --> 0:05:54.549 to say, Cindy, that Sometimes it's very frustrating to try 0:05:54.550 --> 0:05:57.789 and vote as a believer, because there are people who 0:05:57.790 --> 0:06:00.940 are running that may give lip service, may not. They 0:06:00.940 --> 0:06:03.190 don't always agree with us. We have to vote for 0:06:03.190 --> 0:06:07.570 the candidate that is closest to our values, rather than 0:06:07.810 --> 0:06:11.710 necessarily looking for someone that subscribes perfectly to it, because 0:06:11.710 --> 0:06:15.490 that's to them that would be really hard to find. 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:16.420 Don't you think? 0:06:18.220 --> 0:06:22.180 I try to be as close as I can to 0:06:22.210 --> 0:06:24.279 that person that stands biblically. 0:06:24.310 --> 0:06:25.240 Yeah, yeah. 0:06:25.450 --> 0:06:28.750 They're not perfect, but yeah, the best. The best I 0:06:28.750 --> 0:06:29.410 can do. 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:33.940 Yeah. Uh, sometimes I've heard people say there's no one 0:06:33.940 --> 0:06:36.700 running that I think will fit. And so they will 0:06:36.730 --> 0:06:41.710 actually write someone in. Uh, and usually writing campaigns don't 0:06:41.710 --> 0:06:44.770 help that much. But every now and then I've seen 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:48.340 write in candidates win. So who knows? Don't miss the 0:06:48.339 --> 0:06:51.529 opportunity or the privilege to vote. That's what I would 0:06:51.529 --> 0:06:54.800 say to people. It's it's biblical wisdom for us to 0:06:54.830 --> 0:06:58.669 be good citizens. Thanks for your call, Cindy. Really appreciate it. 0:06:58.670 --> 0:06:59.900 Thank you for your thank. 0:06:59.930 --> 0:07:00.920 You for your program. 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:07.190 Thanks a lot. We're going to talk to Tony in Ketchikan, Alaska. Uh, 0:07:07.190 --> 0:07:12.080 listening on. I don't even know what it is. K220I 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.450 don't know what that is, but I'm glad you're listening. Tony. 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:15.590 How can I help you? 0:07:15.950 --> 0:07:19.429 Yes. Good morning. Doctor. Do please need help with two 0:07:19.460 --> 0:07:26.210 short questions. The first one is revelation 22, verse 1415. 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:30.620 On the 15th verse I have a problem understanding are 0:07:30.620 --> 0:07:35.300 they are sinners, unbelief, people, sinners after the millennium. 0:07:36.260 --> 0:07:42.590 In revelation chapter 22, verse 14 and 15, where it says, 0:07:42.590 --> 0:07:44.690 blessed are those who wash their robes, so they might 0:07:44.690 --> 0:07:46.640 have the right to the tree of life, and may 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:51.600 enter the city by the gates outside our dogs, the sorcerers, 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:55.860 the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who 0:07:55.860 --> 0:07:59.670 loves and practices lying. Uh, what this is saying is 0:07:59.670 --> 0:08:05.010 it's today. Blessed are those who wash their robes, uh, 0:08:05.010 --> 0:08:09.210 by faith in Jesus. We all have filthy robes on 0:08:09.210 --> 0:08:12.090 because of our sin. But if we trust that Jesus 0:08:12.090 --> 0:08:14.490 died for us and rose again and put our trust 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:21.270 solely in him, then we'll be able to enter the 0:08:21.270 --> 0:08:25.860 city by the gates outside. At this point, after the 0:08:25.860 --> 0:08:29.880 the final judgment, outside those gates are people who have 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:33.930 been cast out. Uh, and not just outside the city gates, 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:36.360 because the whole world will be the New Jerusalem at 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:42.510 this point. But, uh, at that point, there will be, uh, 0:08:43.590 --> 0:08:46.949 all those people who rejected Jesus, who stood in their 0:08:46.950 --> 0:08:51.359 own sins they will have been cast into the The 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:53.550 Lake of Fire, which was actually not for them. It 0:08:53.550 --> 0:08:58.530 was prepared for Satan and those angels that fell and 0:08:58.530 --> 0:09:01.620 became demons. That's who it was for. But people followed 0:09:01.620 --> 0:09:03.450 him and they that's where they will be. So in 0:09:03.450 --> 0:09:08.520 a sense, they will be outside the city in that way. Okay. 0:09:09.030 --> 0:09:12.000 This will be after the New Jerusalem. And the next question, 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:15.630 if you please, because I am in trouble for, uh, 0:09:15.630 --> 0:09:20.130 if a person do some people do this? Um, uh, 0:09:20.130 --> 0:09:23.189 hurt me and I forgive them because I don't want 0:09:23.190 --> 0:09:25.680 to be mean back to them. But I was told 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:30.059 that if they don't, if they do not ask for forgiveness, 0:09:30.059 --> 0:09:32.190 then I can not forgive them. 0:09:32.550 --> 0:09:36.960 Well, uh, I think there's a difference. And it's important 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:45.090 for us to recognize this between forgiveness and reconciliation. Forgiveness 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:49.570 is like canceling a debt a person owes you a 0:09:49.570 --> 0:09:52.630 debt of an apology. You know, that's how the Lord 0:09:52.630 --> 0:09:57.610 Jesus categorizes sin. Forgive us our debts even as we forgive. 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:05.140 Forgive our debtors. So a person has a has an obligation, 0:10:05.170 --> 0:10:08.140 a debt to pay, to apologize for the wrong that 0:10:08.140 --> 0:10:15.100 they've done, even to make restitution if possible. However, uh, 0:10:16.059 --> 0:10:18.910 what if that person is bankrupt and they can't pay 0:10:18.910 --> 0:10:21.430 that debt? That's what it would be. Someone who refuses 0:10:21.429 --> 0:10:25.989 to apologize doesn't see their error. Uh, doesn't see what 0:10:25.990 --> 0:10:30.190 they've done, refuses to see what they've done. That person 0:10:30.250 --> 0:10:34.420 is bankrupt. And you know when when they're bankrupt, the 0:10:34.420 --> 0:10:37.270 best thing to do is to forgive that, to let 0:10:37.270 --> 0:10:39.580 the debt go, because you're not going to get it 0:10:39.580 --> 0:10:42.880 paid back anyway. Uh, that's what I would say. So yes, 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:47.300 you can forgive someone whether they apologize or not. But 0:10:47.300 --> 0:10:51.920 what happens is the person who doesn't apologize is never reconciled. 0:10:53.030 --> 0:10:57.830 The reconciliation between people doesn't happen unless there's some sort 0:10:57.830 --> 0:11:03.230 of apology and forgiveness granted. But you can, in your 0:11:03.260 --> 0:11:05.809 own heart. Someone has hurt you. Someone has done something 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:09.260 to you. You can forgive them because otherwise you live 0:11:09.260 --> 0:11:13.010 in bitterness. You have to forgive them whether they apologize 0:11:13.010 --> 0:11:18.080 or not for your own well-being. So that's that's my 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:20.150 advice to you. Okay, Tony. 0:11:20.750 --> 0:11:23.150 Thank you so very much. God bless you for your service. 0:11:23.179 --> 0:11:23.930 And yeah. 0:11:24.590 --> 0:11:27.260 Thank you so much, Tony, for calling. Really appreciate it. 0:11:27.290 --> 0:11:29.840 We're going to go to a break right now. Uh, 0:11:29.900 --> 0:11:32.479 of course you can. You can still call. There's a 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.000 couple of lines open, so now's the time to call 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:41.929 the phone number (877) 548-3675. We're going to talk about your 0:11:41.929 --> 0:11:46.260 questions from coast to coast from Alaska to Florida. We're 0:11:46.260 --> 0:11:49.290 talking about your questions about the Bible, God and the 0:11:49.290 --> 0:11:52.709 spiritual life. So stick with us. You're listening to Open 0:11:52.710 --> 0:11:54.600 Line with Michael Melnick. 0:11:54.630 --> 0:11:55.590 Be right back. 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:10.020 And we're back. I am so happy to be here 0:12:10.020 --> 0:12:14.010 with you and talking about your questions about the scriptures. 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:16.679 You know, I'm finding it's election season and people want 0:12:16.710 --> 0:12:19.770 to talk about elections. They want to talk about should 0:12:19.770 --> 0:12:23.490 we vote like one of our callers? Uh, I think 0:12:23.490 --> 0:12:27.300 sometimes people want to call up and influence the vote. 0:12:27.330 --> 0:12:30.540 You know, they think that their candidate is the right one. 0:12:30.540 --> 0:12:31.950 I'm going to tell you this. I'm not going to 0:12:31.950 --> 0:12:35.610 talk about candidates. I'll talk about the principle of the wisdom. 0:12:35.610 --> 0:12:39.210 Principle of voting. Uh, I'm I'm not going to talk 0:12:39.210 --> 0:12:43.510 about who to vote for. That's that's really crucial to 0:12:43.540 --> 0:12:49.210 understand because, you know, it's just not not appropriate for. 0:12:49.210 --> 0:12:53.770 For what? What it is that that I believe I 0:12:53.770 --> 0:12:55.300 should be doing here. I'm not going to tell you 0:12:55.330 --> 0:12:57.550 who to vote for, but I will tell you this. 0:12:57.580 --> 0:13:01.090 Vote for the candidate that most aligns with your values. 0:13:01.090 --> 0:13:05.679 That's your biblical values. That's the the thing that I 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:11.050 would tell you. Uh, anyway, before we talk about, uh, voting, 0:13:11.050 --> 0:13:13.900 which is going to come up sooner or later, I 0:13:13.900 --> 0:13:18.939 do want to talk about becoming a kitchen table partner. Uh, 0:13:19.150 --> 0:13:22.240 kitchen table partners are so vital to this program. There 0:13:22.270 --> 0:13:25.030 are people who give monthly so that we can be 0:13:25.030 --> 0:13:28.630 on the air weekly. 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Then, uh. 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:38.760 But isn't it related to the word nafash? 0:15:39.540 --> 0:15:42.930 Well, tell me what you're asking because you're obviously looking 0:15:42.930 --> 0:15:45.030 for something. So tell me what you're looking for. 0:15:45.990 --> 0:15:47.880 Well, doesn't it mean to breathe? 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:54.090 Well, it's a noun, and it just means a creature. 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:58.020 Or a living. A living? A living being. A living 0:15:58.020 --> 0:16:01.560 being is what I would say. Uh, actually, it doesn't 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:04.200 even mean a creature because of the way it's used 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.650 here is. It means God created the man, and the 0:16:07.650 --> 0:16:14.460 man became, uh, a nefesh haya. So that means a 0:16:14.460 --> 0:16:22.380 living being or a living creature. That's what it means. Okay. Okay. 0:16:22.410 --> 0:16:22.890 It's someone. 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:24.510 I just want to see what your take was on that. 0:16:24.540 --> 0:16:27.840 Yeah. Uh, do you think it's anything other than that? 0:16:29.070 --> 0:16:32.820 I believe it's the air breathing creature itself. Um, the 0:16:32.820 --> 0:16:36.270 one that actually does the breathing. Okay. Because he had 0:16:36.270 --> 0:16:39.040 just gotten done putting the air into them. 0:16:39.670 --> 0:16:46.090 Okay, so it means a living, breathing creature. Okay. Or being. Okay. Okay, good. Thanks, Roy. 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:52.180 Appreciate it. Uh, we're going to talk to Bill in Florida, 0:16:52.210 --> 0:16:55.690 listening on something. Not sure what. Welcome to Open Line. Bill, 0:16:55.690 --> 0:16:56.710 how can I help you? 0:16:58.210 --> 0:17:02.650 Oh, thanks for having me on Doctor Melnick. Uh, how 0:17:02.650 --> 0:17:07.660 does God actually saves his, uh, save his, uh, Orthodox 0:17:07.660 --> 0:17:13.149 brothers and sisters? Uh, he gets them out of sacrificing, 0:17:13.510 --> 0:17:15.070 and they believe. 0:17:15.100 --> 0:17:20.500 How does God. Are you talking about Orthodox Jewish people? Yes. Okay. How? 0:17:20.500 --> 0:17:25.389 The way. Listen, here's how everyone is saved. Jewish. Gentile. 0:17:25.450 --> 0:17:28.330 You know, any human being is saved the same way 0:17:28.330 --> 0:17:31.870 by grace through faith in the revealed will of God. 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:35.200 But in the end, they. So they're going to be 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:40.430 worshiping God in that. In that, in the last tabernacle. 0:17:40.460 --> 0:17:46.609 Yeah. There's going to be a temple built sometime so 0:17:46.609 --> 0:17:49.129 that during the tribulation there's a tribulation temple and there 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:53.720 will be sacrificing there. But that, that that the blood 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.060 of bulls and goats don't shave. You know what, Bill? 0:17:56.060 --> 0:17:59.090 You got to let me answer. I can't answer until 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.970 if you keep interrupting. So I'm happy to have you 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:06.050 do a follow up, but just let me answer, okay? Uh, 0:18:06.350 --> 0:18:10.790 so the there's going to be sacrifice, but that will 0:18:10.790 --> 0:18:17.330 not save anyone. Uh, what God does during the the 0:18:17.330 --> 0:18:22.580 tribulation period is he brings pressure, particularly in the middle 0:18:22.580 --> 0:18:27.890 of the tribulation, on the Jewish people when the future 0:18:27.890 --> 0:18:32.810 false Messiah will turn on them and persecute them, and 0:18:32.810 --> 0:18:36.690 that persecution will culminate in the campaign of Armageddon, and 0:18:36.690 --> 0:18:39.570 it will be so much pressure that Jewish people will 0:18:39.570 --> 0:18:44.460 call on Jesus to save them. And it says that 0:18:44.460 --> 0:18:48.300 in Matthew 2337 through 39 that the Lord Jesus said 0:18:48.300 --> 0:18:52.710 he wouldn't return until Israel welcomes him back, and they 0:18:52.710 --> 0:18:56.130 will welcome him by faith. It says in Zechariah 1210, 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:59.460 they will look upon him who was pierced, and mourn 0:18:59.460 --> 0:19:02.040 for him. As one mourns for an only son, the 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:05.850 mourning of repentance, they will call upon him. Then, uh, 0:19:05.850 --> 0:19:10.379 and then I in Romans 1126, it's at that time 0:19:10.380 --> 0:19:13.470 that all Israel alive at that time, who call on Jesus, 0:19:13.470 --> 0:19:16.169 that will be saved. So that's how God will bring 0:19:16.170 --> 0:19:19.560 them to a faith. Now, is there something else you 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:20.910 want to know about that? 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:24.900 Well, I've got a little bit of a different spin 0:19:24.900 --> 0:19:30.150 on it than you have, although the scripture is perfect. 0:19:30.330 --> 0:19:35.200 I will say this, though, that, um. when he calls 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:38.770 the two witnesses down. Actually, he calls us, you know. 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:43.180 You know, Bill, we're going to move on. Thanks for 0:19:43.180 --> 0:19:48.040 your call. Really, really appreciate it. Uh, let's see, I'm 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:52.630 going to talk with Richard in Elyria, Ohio, listening on Wtxf. 0:19:52.660 --> 0:19:55.659 Welcome to Open Line. Richard. How can I help you? 0:19:55.930 --> 0:19:59.800 Well, um, this voting thing I've heard this time and 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:03.190 time again about Christians that don't want to vote. And 0:20:03.190 --> 0:20:07.210 I always hearken back, maybe I'm wrong. The scripture that 0:20:07.210 --> 0:20:10.179 says Jesus asked for a coin and he says, oh, 0:20:10.210 --> 0:20:14.379 here's Caesar, uh, render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, 0:20:14.380 --> 0:20:17.980 and unto God the things that are God's. And our 0:20:17.980 --> 0:20:22.449 government has given us the opportunity to vote in our government. 0:20:22.450 --> 0:20:26.109 So I don't understand why there's a question. 0:20:26.410 --> 0:20:32.380 Well, well, first of all, what's the context of that 0:20:32.380 --> 0:20:33.909 verse that you're citing? 0:20:34.030 --> 0:20:37.389 Well, that's that's probably a little bit beyond me. 0:20:37.420 --> 0:20:41.350 No, it's about it's not beyond you. It's about taxation. 0:20:41.500 --> 0:20:42.400 Okay. 0:20:42.430 --> 0:20:45.190 So all that that verse is saying when it says 0:20:45.190 --> 0:20:48.700 render to Caesar that which is Caesar's. It's saying pay 0:20:48.700 --> 0:20:49.780 your taxes. 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:50.889 Okay. 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:51.910 That's all it's saying. 0:20:51.940 --> 0:20:54.160 Anything else about the government? No. 0:20:54.190 --> 0:20:58.540 It's about. Now, as I said earlier, it makes sense 0:20:58.900 --> 0:21:03.880 to follow the wisdom principle of voting. It's a very 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:06.850 broad application that you could make to take rendering to 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:11.919 Caesar as voting. But. Okay, I'm not saying you shouldn't vote. 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:15.639 I'm saying that believers should use wisdom, and it is 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:20.260 a great privilege that we have as American citizens the 0:21:20.260 --> 0:21:22.780 right to vote. And we should make make use of it. 0:21:22.780 --> 0:21:23.889 That's what I'm saying. Yes. 0:21:24.190 --> 0:21:26.410 Absolutely. I 100% agree. 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:29.050 Great. Thanks for your call, Richard. Really appreciate it. Okay. 0:21:29.050 --> 0:21:29.890 Thank you. Doctor. 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:34.460 Uh, and we're going to speak with, uh, Katie in Ohio, 0:21:34.490 --> 0:21:37.970 listening on whfc. Welcome to Open Line, Katie. How can 0:21:37.970 --> 0:21:38.659 I help you? 0:21:38.690 --> 0:21:42.409 Well, thank you so much for taking my call. And 0:21:42.410 --> 0:21:44.240 I just want to let you know that my husband 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:46.130 and I are kitchen table partners. Oh, thank. 0:21:46.130 --> 0:21:49.820 You, thank you, thank you. Really, really appreciate that. That's 0:21:49.820 --> 0:21:50.449 so kind of you. 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:53.270 Oh, well, we appreciate your program. And you. So thank 0:21:53.270 --> 0:21:58.130 you so very much. Okay, here's my question. Um, this 0:21:58.130 --> 0:22:01.459 can be this is one of those controversial topics within 0:22:01.460 --> 0:22:07.040 Christian circles. So I'm curious about your views and most importantly, 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:12.170 what Scripture has to say about the topic of suicide. 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:15.350 Like when somebody commits suicide, some believe that you go 0:22:15.350 --> 0:22:16.340 straight to hell. 0:22:17.390 --> 0:22:23.780 Well, you know, I haven't seen that verse actually, that says, 0:22:23.780 --> 0:22:26.810 for by grace are you saved through faith? It's not 0:22:26.810 --> 0:22:29.000 of works lest any man should boast. It's the gift 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:34.440 of God. Unless you commit suicide and then you lose 0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:37.080 it all. Have you seen that verse? 0:22:38.250 --> 0:22:42.570 Uh, no. But there is there is some controversy about 0:22:42.570 --> 0:22:46.619 the scripture that talks about blaspheming the Holy Spirit. 0:22:46.650 --> 0:22:49.050 Yeah, but is that suicide? 0:22:49.859 --> 0:22:55.080 I know some people seem to think that's that's the sin. 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:57.510 That's the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Now, I believe 0:22:57.510 --> 0:23:00.060 that's a misinterpretation of Scripture. Yeah. 0:23:00.210 --> 0:23:02.879 Let me let me just say this about suicide. Okay. 0:23:02.910 --> 0:23:07.770 Can I? I think suicide is a terrible travesty. It 0:23:07.770 --> 0:23:13.080 is just, God forbid if if anyone is listening here 0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:16.530 and contemplating suicide, please don't take what I was saying 0:23:16.530 --> 0:23:20.730 there that a person doesn't lose their salvation as somehow 0:23:21.060 --> 0:23:24.420 that it's preferable or right, or something that anyone should 0:23:24.420 --> 0:23:27.210 even contemplate if anyone is thinking about it. And I know, Katie, 0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:29.890 you agree with me about this? If a person is 0:23:29.890 --> 0:23:34.359 thinking about suicide, get some help. Go talk to someone 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:38.379 that is not healthy. Talk to your your spouse. Talk 0:23:38.380 --> 0:23:43.240 to your your doctor. Talk to your pastor. Uh, just 0:23:43.240 --> 0:23:53.889 get some help. Uh, the it's crucial to to remember, uh, 0:23:53.890 --> 0:24:00.070 call the suicide hotline. Hotline? Uh, and to here remind 0:24:00.070 --> 0:24:03.850 me what the number is of the suicide hotline. Nine. Eight. Nine. 0:24:03.850 --> 0:24:04.480 Is it? 0:24:07.660 --> 0:24:09.940 Uh, yeah. I can't recall it at the moment. 0:24:09.970 --> 0:24:14.109 Nine. Eight eight. Nine. Eight. Eight. Suicide prevention line. That's it. 0:24:14.109 --> 0:24:17.860 That's all I'm saying. But the other thing that's really 0:24:17.859 --> 0:24:22.150 important is that obviously the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit 0:24:22.150 --> 0:24:25.780 in the context there. And I'm going back. Context. Context. Context. 0:24:25.810 --> 0:24:29.810 Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is not about suicide. What 0:24:29.810 --> 0:24:36.050 it's about. It's saying that the, uh, the when the 0:24:36.050 --> 0:24:39.859 Messiah is physically present with us to to attribute his 0:24:39.859 --> 0:24:42.859 works to Satan. That's what blasphemy the Holy Spirit is. 0:24:42.890 --> 0:24:45.620 I don't think it's even possible to do that today, 0:24:45.619 --> 0:24:47.869 but that what they were doing is they were rejecting 0:24:47.869 --> 0:24:53.570 the Messiah. That is possible. But, uh, as for suicide, 0:24:53.570 --> 0:24:56.449 that comes more from another tradition where it's considered a 0:24:56.450 --> 0:24:59.060 mortal sin. And if you don't, you don't get a 0:24:59.060 --> 0:25:02.930 chance to repent because you've just committed it. Therefore you've 0:25:02.930 --> 0:25:06.169 lost your salvation. That is not what the Bible teaches. 0:25:06.170 --> 0:25:09.080 The Bible teaches that we are saved forever from the. 0:25:09.109 --> 0:25:11.449 We have eternal life, and eternal life begins from the 0:25:11.450 --> 0:25:16.310 moment that we believe. It's not something that we can lose. So, Katie, 0:25:16.369 --> 0:25:20.840 let me just go back to what you're asking. Will 0:25:20.869 --> 0:25:24.260 someone lose their salvation? So if you've lost someone that 0:25:24.260 --> 0:25:26.939 had committed suicide that knew the Lord. No, they have 0:25:26.940 --> 0:25:31.980 not lost their salvation. If you're contemplating it, don't do it. 0:25:31.980 --> 0:25:33.419 Get some help. 0:25:33.540 --> 0:25:37.350 Uh, well, see, there have been people. This has bled 0:25:37.350 --> 0:25:39.119 into the evangelical church. 0:25:39.150 --> 0:25:41.460 Oh, yeah. You know, Katie, I agree with you, but 0:25:41.460 --> 0:25:44.100 we can't go that way. But we've got to go 0:25:44.100 --> 0:25:49.320 to a break. Thanks for your call. Really appreciate it. Uh, 0:25:49.320 --> 0:25:50.910 we're going to be right back with more of your 0:25:50.910 --> 0:26:09.389 questions in the mailbag. Welcome back to Open Line. I'm 0:26:09.390 --> 0:26:13.199 so grateful for the Far Eastern Broadcasting Company. 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Joining me right 0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:03.780 now to hear a Haynes sitting in for Tricia McMillan today. 0:27:03.810 --> 0:27:07.260 I'm guessing to hear, were you here during Founders Week 0:27:07.260 --> 0:27:07.950 all week. 0:27:07.980 --> 0:27:09.600 I was I was here all week. 0:27:09.630 --> 0:27:13.860 Wow. So Tricia was I'm sure too. And that's why 0:27:13.859 --> 0:27:17.369 she's not here today. Because she's wiped out. 0:27:17.730 --> 0:27:21.240 Yes, yes. There was some long days for Founders Week. 0:27:21.270 --> 0:27:24.940 Yeah, yeah, but. But you have to be here. I 0:27:24.940 --> 0:27:28.150 had some long days too, but we have to be here. 0:27:28.390 --> 0:27:31.899 Trish is the the the the weak one. She's home 0:27:31.900 --> 0:27:34.540 with her feet up. No, actually, I don't believe that. 0:27:34.540 --> 0:27:37.570 She's she's probably chasing some of those kids around. Is 0:27:37.570 --> 0:27:40.180 what I'm guessing because she didn't see him all week. 0:27:40.180 --> 0:27:47.710 So anyway, I love teasing her. So. Anyway, you do 0:27:47.710 --> 0:27:51.490 have the questions. I appreciate you sitting in today. And, uh, 0:27:51.490 --> 0:27:52.780 what have we got here? 0:27:52.780 --> 0:27:56.680 Thank you so much. We have Ashley from Illinois listening 0:27:56.680 --> 0:28:01.030 through Wmbi. When we die, do we immediately receive our 0:28:01.030 --> 0:28:03.910 heavenly body or will we receive it during the rapture? 0:28:03.910 --> 0:28:06.460 If we receive it during the rapture, what happens to 0:28:06.490 --> 0:28:08.560 our soul and spirit when we die? 0:28:09.100 --> 0:28:14.740 When we die? First of all, uh, it says in 0:28:15.310 --> 0:28:20.469 the book of Philippians chapter one, when Paul is talking 0:28:20.470 --> 0:28:25.340 about to live is, uh. Uh. To live is Christ, 0:28:25.340 --> 0:28:28.580 and to die is gain. Me living is the Messiah. 0:28:28.609 --> 0:28:31.879 Dying is gain. He says, now this is verse 21, 0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:33.830 now verse 22, now if I live on in the flesh, 0:28:33.830 --> 0:28:35.629 that means fruitful work for me, and I do not 0:28:35.660 --> 0:28:38.720 know which I should choose. I am pressured by both. 0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:43.340 I have the desire. Now listen to this. To depart 0:28:43.340 --> 0:28:47.540 and be with Christ. To be with the Messiah. He 0:28:47.540 --> 0:28:51.920 knows that when he dies here in Philippians one, that 0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:56.270 he he says it very explicitly in verse 23 when 0:28:56.270 --> 0:28:59.120 he dies, that's what depart means. He's going to go 0:28:59.150 --> 0:29:01.910 be with Jesus. So we go to be with the Lord, 0:29:01.910 --> 0:29:06.200 our immaterial part, our eternal. What I think in eternal 0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:11.510 is probably not a great word. Immortal, uh, soul goes 0:29:11.510 --> 0:29:17.480 to be with the Lord. Uh, same thing. Second Corinthians five. 0:29:17.510 --> 0:29:21.570 Absent from the body. Present with the Lord. So when 0:29:21.570 --> 0:29:26.520 when the immaterial part that's immortal leaves us. That's that's 0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:29.160 what death means. It means separation. So the body separates 0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:32.280 from the the immaterial part. The physical part goes in 0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:36.240 the grave, the immaterial part goes to be with the Lord. 0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:39.390 So that's what happens when we die. Then in first 0:29:39.390 --> 0:29:44.790 Thessalonians chapter four, uh, it says that the rapture will happen. 0:29:44.790 --> 0:29:48.030 Those who have died, the physical bodies will be resurrected. 0:29:48.030 --> 0:29:50.430 But I there's a little thing in here that I 0:29:50.430 --> 0:29:54.900 think is important to note here. In first Thessalonians four 0:29:55.440 --> 0:30:00.540 it says, since we believe this is verse 14, that 0:30:00.540 --> 0:30:06.810 Jesus died and rose again. Yes, in the same way. 0:30:06.900 --> 0:30:12.270 Now look at this. God will bring with him those 0:30:12.270 --> 0:30:15.390 who have fallen asleep in Jesus. So the image there 0:30:15.390 --> 0:30:19.060 of the Lord Jesus descending at the rapture is he's 0:30:19.060 --> 0:30:24.130 bringing the immaterial, the the souls or spirits of the 0:30:24.130 --> 0:30:26.590 people who have died, who've gone to be with him. 0:30:26.620 --> 0:30:30.250 They descend with him, and then it says, the dead 0:30:30.250 --> 0:30:37.300 in Messiah will rise at first and be the resurrected, 0:30:37.300 --> 0:30:42.100 and it'll be so. They're in a sense, we're descending. 0:30:42.100 --> 0:30:46.510 Our bodies are resurrected and reunited. That's what happens at 0:30:46.510 --> 0:30:50.500 the rapture. So that's the resurrection. But I think it's 0:30:50.500 --> 0:30:53.980 so important we're alive already. We're with the Lord. That's 0:30:53.980 --> 0:30:56.980 why we descend with him. And he brings us with 0:30:56.980 --> 0:31:00.640 him and then reunites us to our bodies. That's the plan. 0:31:00.670 --> 0:31:02.710 Thank you for that great explanation. 0:31:02.710 --> 0:31:06.940 So yeah, it's really this. A lot of people see 0:31:06.940 --> 0:31:10.570 that word. They're dead when it talks about the dead, 0:31:10.570 --> 0:31:14.290 and it calls them those who have fallen asleep, and 0:31:14.290 --> 0:31:17.240 they immediately think soul asleep. This is not talking about 0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:21.980 soul sleep. It is just a euphemism for dead. That's it. 0:31:21.980 --> 0:31:23.960 And you can see why. When you see someone laid 0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:27.230 out on a bier or in a casket, they look 0:31:27.260 --> 0:31:30.020 kind of they they're made to look like they're sleeping. 0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:35.690 They're not sleeping. Their body has separated the immaterial part. 0:31:35.690 --> 0:31:37.880 If we know the Lord, go to be with the Lord. 0:31:37.880 --> 0:31:41.000 So thank you for that clarification. Thank you. 0:31:41.030 --> 0:31:42.950 Yep, yep. Well, we've. 0:31:42.950 --> 0:31:45.560 Got a call coming in. No, let's go ahead with 0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:46.580 another question. 0:31:46.730 --> 0:31:52.100 Excellent. We have Mary Ann from Ohio listening through Wtxf 0:31:52.130 --> 0:31:55.430 in view of Psalm 121. How can we help an 0:31:55.430 --> 0:31:58.880 unbeliever to trust God with so many things happening in 0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:02.810 the world, so much anti-Semitism and things of that nature? 0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:05.540 Yeah. When you think about the history of anti-Semitism, it's 0:32:05.540 --> 0:32:11.840 the oldest hatred. And yet it says, uh, that he 0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:14.450 will not allow your foot to slip the protector, your 0:32:14.450 --> 0:32:18.830 protector will not slumber. Indeed. The guardian of Israel, the 0:32:18.830 --> 0:32:24.200 protector of Israel, does not slumber or sleep. Uh, that's 0:32:24.230 --> 0:32:30.800 that's really important that we recognize that now. There's no 0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:34.550 question that Jewish people have suffered terribly. You know, even 0:32:34.550 --> 0:32:37.400 when we my experience growing up as a child of 0:32:37.400 --> 0:32:41.990 Holocaust survivors, I know all about that, uh, the terrible 0:32:41.990 --> 0:32:47.390 suffering that Jewish people encountered in Europe. The the best 0:32:47.390 --> 0:32:51.680 answer I would give is not the answer that people expect. 0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:58.190 It's it's something I learned, heard Menachem Begin. And some 0:32:58.190 --> 0:33:00.590 people won't even remember that name. He was the prime 0:33:00.590 --> 0:33:04.100 minister of Israel. He had been involved in Israeli politics 0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:07.310 from before the beginning of the State of Israel. He 0:33:07.340 --> 0:33:13.760 had led the opposition party from 1949 till 1977, when 0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:17.130 he finally was elected Prime Minister, he stayed Prime Minister 0:33:17.130 --> 0:33:22.290 for about 5 or 6 years. Uh, Prime Minister Begin 0:33:22.290 --> 0:33:26.760 spoke at the World Gathering of Holocaust Survivors when I 0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:31.020 was there in 1981, in Jerusalem, and he gave a 0:33:31.020 --> 0:33:34.740 magnificent speech. I wasn't a big supporter of his politics, 0:33:34.740 --> 0:33:39.210 but he gave a magnificent speech. And it was at 0:33:39.210 --> 0:33:42.420 the Western Wall on the last night of the gathering. 0:33:42.420 --> 0:33:45.360 I was there representing second generation. Eve and I were 0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:50.460 there and, uh, he looked out at this crowd. He 0:33:50.460 --> 0:33:53.100 spoke in about 5 or 6 different languages. And he said, 0:33:53.100 --> 0:33:55.560 I know that many of you don't believe in God 0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:59.310 because you feel he broke his covenant and that, uh, 0:33:59.310 --> 0:34:03.090 all that you suffered has caused you to doubt or 0:34:03.300 --> 0:34:06.930 even deny him. And then he talked about how close 0:34:06.930 --> 0:34:10.770 the Nazis came to winning that war. He also talked 0:34:10.770 --> 0:34:15.070 about how the Nazis had developed rocketry before the West did. 0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:19.060 He talked about how the Nazis were working on the 0:34:19.060 --> 0:34:23.860 atomic bomb. He said, can you imagine if they had 0:34:23.860 --> 0:34:27.219 achieved the atomic bomb? They would have won that war. 0:34:27.250 --> 0:34:29.560 They would have bombed London. They would have bombed the 0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:36.100 United States. Uh, and with that, uh, they would have 0:34:36.100 --> 0:34:38.830 won the war. And it wouldn't have meant just the 0:34:38.830 --> 0:34:41.680 murder of, of two thirds of Europe's Jews, but the 0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:46.270 end of all Jewish people forever. And Menachem Begin said 0:34:46.270 --> 0:34:52.990 God acted to intervene. He preserved our people. And he said, 0:34:52.989 --> 0:34:56.319 never forget that. God kept his promise to preserve and 0:34:56.320 --> 0:35:00.580 protect his people. And so and then he he looked 0:35:00.580 --> 0:35:04.030 at that crowd and he says, I beg of you, believe. 0:35:04.060 --> 0:35:08.140 Believe in the God who kept us. And it was 0:35:08.170 --> 0:35:12.350 a really moving moment and a plea for protecting God. 0:35:12.350 --> 0:35:15.020 And that's what I would say in answer to this question. 0:35:15.020 --> 0:35:19.580 I wish it was pre-youtube. I can't find a recording 0:35:19.610 --> 0:35:21.950 of that speech anywhere, but I sure would love to 0:35:21.950 --> 0:35:25.969 see it again. It was really remarkable. And that's the answer. 0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:29.870 God preserved his people when think about with all the 0:35:29.870 --> 0:35:34.399 attempts at genocide against the Jewish people, it seems impossible 0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:39.590 that the Jewish people still exist. Where the Babylonians, you know, 0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:46.489 where the, the, the, the Girgashites and the Amorites and 0:35:46.489 --> 0:35:50.870 all the they're all gone. They are but the Jewish people. 0:35:52.130 --> 0:35:55.820 God has preserved the Jewish people. And it's I think 0:35:55.820 --> 0:36:00.230 that's that's really crucial. So and by the way, I 0:36:00.230 --> 0:36:05.540 believe that God uses believers in Jesus to be the ones. 0:36:05.540 --> 0:36:08.090 And that's why I really encourage people to come to 0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:14.040 the summit opposing anti-Semitism November 9th. Check it out on our, uh, 0:36:14.969 --> 0:36:18.120 our web page, open Line radio.org. There's a link there. 0:36:18.150 --> 0:36:21.090 Join us November 9th at Torrey Gray Auditorium at Moody 0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:24.540 Bible Institute. It's going to be a really amazing conference. 0:36:24.570 --> 0:36:27.480 Thank you to her for bringing in these questions. We're 0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:29.279 going to come back with more of your calls in 0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:31.350 just a moment. That was to hear Heinz, I'm Michael 0:36:31.350 --> 0:36:35.009 Ray Dolnick. This is open line and we'll be right back. 0:36:52.380 --> 0:36:57.210 Welcome back to Open Line. Thanks for for listening. I 0:36:57.210 --> 0:37:01.290 really appreciate you doing that. I know that you listen 0:37:01.290 --> 0:37:04.620 because you want to understand the Bible better. And I 0:37:04.620 --> 0:37:08.700 really appreciate that. That's something that I'm constantly studying trying 0:37:08.700 --> 0:37:13.900 to learn how to understand the scriptures better. Uh, one 0:37:13.900 --> 0:37:16.510 of the things that Chosen People Ministries does in partnering 0:37:16.510 --> 0:37:18.939 with us is trying to help us understand the scriptures 0:37:18.940 --> 0:37:23.410 better from a Jewish perspective. And, you know, there are 0:37:23.410 --> 0:37:25.390 people who say we need to unhitch from the Old 0:37:25.420 --> 0:37:30.520 Testament or that we shouldn't even read the Law of Moses, 0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:33.580 the Torah. The Torah is God's Word to us. And 0:37:33.580 --> 0:37:36.160 one of the things I love is that Chosen People 0:37:36.160 --> 0:37:41.109 Ministries has produced a, uh, I guess, a devotional book 0:37:41.110 --> 0:37:43.810 called The Portion. It's based on the weekly portion read 0:37:43.810 --> 0:37:47.620 in the synagogue from the Torah, and it shows how 0:37:47.620 --> 0:37:50.830 the principles of the Torah can still be applied today. 0:37:50.830 --> 0:37:53.650 It's a really wonderful little book and you can get 0:37:53.650 --> 0:37:55.300 a free copy. All you have to do is go 0:37:55.300 --> 0:38:00.370 to our website. Uh, go to openlibrary.org. Scroll down to 0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:03.160 the beginning. You'll see a link that says A Free 0:38:03.190 --> 0:38:05.589 gift from Chosen People Ministries. When you click on that, 0:38:05.590 --> 0:38:08.750 it'll give you a place to sign up for your 0:38:08.750 --> 0:38:14.540 very own copy of the portion, so go to Openline radio.org. 0:38:14.540 --> 0:38:17.239 That's our website. Click on the link that says Free 0:38:17.270 --> 0:38:21.650 Gift from Chosen People Ministries, and get your copy of 0:38:21.650 --> 0:38:25.850 the portion. We're going to talk with Mike in Tampa, 0:38:25.850 --> 0:38:29.480 Florida listening on keys. Welcome to Open Line. Mike. How 0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:30.440 can I help you? 0:38:30.980 --> 0:38:35.509 Okay. Thank you. Um, every year I give out at Halloween, 0:38:35.510 --> 0:38:40.160 I give out, um, candy and Bible tracks. But this year, 0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:44.000 I wanted to add a poster that says Read the Bible. 0:38:44.030 --> 0:38:46.609 It will. It will scare the hell out of you. 0:38:46.610 --> 0:38:48.950 And I wanted to make sure I'm using the term 0:38:48.950 --> 0:38:52.580 hell in a proper way. It's just a it's a 0:38:52.580 --> 0:38:55.910 strong word. So I wanted your opinion on that. 0:38:56.930 --> 0:38:57.950 Uh, I. 0:38:57.950 --> 0:38:59.690 See here on the question that you saw it on 0:38:59.690 --> 0:39:01.100 a billboard, right. 0:39:01.100 --> 0:39:04.460 I think I think I did coming back into Florida. Yes. 0:39:04.489 --> 0:39:05.270 Yeah. 0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:09.650 I once saw a bumper sticker on a car that said, 0:39:09.650 --> 0:39:14.420 get right with Jesus or get left in hell. Okay. 0:39:14.450 --> 0:39:18.710 And you know, it was a neighbor of mine who 0:39:18.710 --> 0:39:23.060 loves the Lord, had it on his car. But I 0:39:23.060 --> 0:39:25.610 talked to my other neighbors who didn't know the Lord, 0:39:25.730 --> 0:39:32.690 that he resented that. They. I saw the reaction. And 0:39:32.690 --> 0:39:35.180 you know what? They weren't reacting to Jesus. They were 0:39:35.180 --> 0:39:41.420 reacting to the bumper sticker. Gotcha. Here's here's what I 0:39:41.420 --> 0:39:48.020 would say in Colossians chapter four, verses two through six. 0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:53.810 It talks about praying. And then it says, pray also 0:39:53.810 --> 0:39:56.420 for us that God may open a door for us 0:39:56.450 --> 0:39:59.870 to for the message to speak, the mystery of the 0:39:59.870 --> 0:40:01.939 Messiah for which I am in prison. He says, so 0:40:01.940 --> 0:40:04.610 pray for an opening. 0:40:04.610 --> 0:40:05.200 Happening to. 0:40:05.230 --> 0:40:09.640 Preach the gospel so that I may reveal it as 0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:14.230 I am required to speak. He's actually praying there not 0:40:14.230 --> 0:40:20.440 only for the opportunity to speak, but the clarity when 0:40:20.440 --> 0:40:26.440 he speaks. And then he says, act wisely toward outsiders. 0:40:26.860 --> 0:40:31.060 Use skillful living, making the most of the time. You know, 0:40:31.090 --> 0:40:34.360 we have to be wise in how we present the gospel. 0:40:34.420 --> 0:40:40.029 Then he says, your speech should always be gracious, seasoned 0:40:40.060 --> 0:40:43.120 with salt, so that you may know how you should 0:40:43.120 --> 0:40:46.450 answer each person. What we need to do is have 0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:52.719 gracious speech, not smart alecky speech, you know, not condescending 0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:56.650 or mocking speech. Uh, what we want to do is 0:40:56.680 --> 0:41:01.330 be gracious, to be winsome, to draw people to the 0:41:01.330 --> 0:41:07.509 kindness of God. Not this other approach that the Get 0:41:07.540 --> 0:41:11.590 Left in Hell bumper sticker or getting the I understand 0:41:11.590 --> 0:41:14.319 the play on words getting the hell scared out of 0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:17.410 us and all that. The reason I think that there's 0:41:17.440 --> 0:41:23.320 a there's a balance. Gracious words, but seasoned with salt 0:41:23.350 --> 0:41:30.940 make it flavorful. Something that's desirable. Okay. That's my belief 0:41:30.940 --> 0:41:35.620 of how we should share the gospel with people. So yeah, 0:41:35.650 --> 0:41:38.740 give out the candy. Get name candy. That's what I think. 0:41:38.739 --> 0:41:42.640 We believers don't get the cheap stuff. Get the good stuff. 0:41:43.270 --> 0:41:44.710 And chocolate. Yeah. 0:41:44.739 --> 0:41:47.920 And give them something good to eat. And also something 0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:52.000 that's cheery and loving about the gospel. Okay. 0:41:52.030 --> 0:41:54.280 Okay, great. Great. Thanks, Michael. 0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:58.089 Thank you. Thanks for your call. Really appreciate it. Okay. 0:41:58.450 --> 0:42:02.930 And let's talk to Latasha in Zion, Illinois, listening on WNBA. 0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:05.840 Welcome to Open Line, Latasha. How can I help you? 0:42:05.870 --> 0:42:09.320 Hi. Good morning. Um. I'm calling. Thank you for taking 0:42:09.320 --> 0:42:14.120 my call. I'm calling because I have a family member. Actually, 0:42:14.150 --> 0:42:20.240 my brother, who professes to be a Hebrew Israelite. So I'm. 0:42:20.270 --> 0:42:22.819 I haven't found a lot of information on how to 0:42:22.850 --> 0:42:30.259 engage him. Um, he feels like our family is under delusion, 0:42:30.260 --> 0:42:33.320 and the Christians are wrong, but I'm just trying to. 0:42:33.350 --> 0:42:39.589 I don't know a lot of, um, information about what 0:42:39.590 --> 0:42:42.980 he feels like he believes, or where he's getting his information. 0:42:43.130 --> 0:42:45.500 I do read my Bible, so I know how to 0:42:45.530 --> 0:42:48.650 combat certain things, but I don't really know where he's 0:42:48.650 --> 0:42:52.760 coming from with that perspective. Like what they actually believe 0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:55.700 and all this and that. And it's like, it's hard 0:42:55.700 --> 0:42:58.879 to talk to him, but I just wanted to, you know, 0:42:58.910 --> 0:43:00.500 for the next conversation. 0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:00.790 You. 0:43:00.790 --> 0:43:07.690 Need to do some research. Uh, I think, uh, there, there. Like, 0:43:07.690 --> 0:43:12.880 for example, got questions online. You can look up what 0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:16.180 they have to say about Hebrew Israelites. Hebrew Israelites basically 0:43:16.210 --> 0:43:20.110 say that the true Israel is Africa, and that the 0:43:20.110 --> 0:43:23.680 people of Africa are the true Israelites. And so everything 0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:25.810 we know about Israel, everything we know about what the 0:43:25.810 --> 0:43:27.940 Bible says about Israel, everything we know about what the 0:43:27.940 --> 0:43:30.820 Bible says about the Jewish people. Uh, no, no, we 0:43:30.820 --> 0:43:35.350 have to reinterpret it and make it all, uh, black 0:43:35.350 --> 0:43:39.850 Africans who are the true Jews? That's the first thing. Uh, 0:43:39.850 --> 0:43:44.860 the people that came from Africa, there's there's absolutely no 0:43:44.860 --> 0:43:49.839 real evidence for that. They will distort some scriptures, uh, 0:43:50.140 --> 0:43:54.340 to make the case for that. But no, that's that's 0:43:54.340 --> 0:43:59.310 not the case. Secondly, uh, what they do is they 0:43:59.310 --> 0:44:03.660 become very legalistic about aspects of the law of Moses 0:44:04.050 --> 0:44:13.830 and don't really experience the forgiveness of God, uh, that, uh, that, 0:44:13.830 --> 0:44:16.979 that is available by faith in Jesus that we're not 0:44:16.980 --> 0:44:20.580 saved by the law. We're saved by grace through faith 0:44:20.580 --> 0:44:23.910 in Jesus. And so they become kind of legalistic. And 0:44:23.910 --> 0:44:26.340 then the other thing that they fall into is the trap. 0:44:26.340 --> 0:44:29.759 Not all, but many, many of the Black Hebrew Israelites 0:44:29.760 --> 0:44:32.580 have fallen into the trap of a deep hatred of 0:44:32.580 --> 0:44:37.860 the Jewish people, uh, because they consider them, uh, imposters. 0:44:37.860 --> 0:44:41.700 And as a result, in Jersey city a few years ago, 0:44:41.700 --> 0:44:44.670 there was a shoot up by some Black Hebrew Israelites 0:44:44.670 --> 0:44:47.940 of a, of a, of a kosher market and things 0:44:47.940 --> 0:44:54.300 like that. So it could be, uh, serious in terms of, uh, 0:44:54.300 --> 0:44:59.830 promoting violence against Jewish people. So if I were you, 0:44:59.830 --> 0:45:02.170 I would do some. Particularly because you have a family member, 0:45:02.170 --> 0:45:03.820 you need to do some research. I don't know if 0:45:03.820 --> 0:45:06.850 there's a whole book written about it, but I would 0:45:06.850 --> 0:45:09.549 look it up on Gotquestions.org. You know what I'll do 0:45:09.550 --> 0:45:14.020 to Latasha? You listen. Next week, I will make sure. 0:45:14.020 --> 0:45:16.780 I'll let you know what some resources are about the 0:45:16.780 --> 0:45:22.330 Black Hebrew Israelites. Okay, okay. That's what I'm going to do. 0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:24.969 Thank you so much, I appreciate that. Yeah. 0:45:24.969 --> 0:45:25.930 Yeah, but. 0:45:26.110 --> 0:45:31.840 I think that that's a great website. Gotquestions.org. Uh, and 0:45:32.440 --> 0:45:35.799 I'm sure you just type in Hebrew Israelites. It'll tell 0:45:35.800 --> 0:45:39.370 you what that is, and it'll give you some answers. 0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:42.310 And and you know what? Let me just encourage you. 0:45:42.340 --> 0:45:45.819 Love your brother. Encourage your brother. Send him back to 0:45:45.850 --> 0:45:52.330 the scriptures. Don't fight with your brother. Don't argue with him. Okay. That's. 0:45:52.360 --> 0:45:53.290 Yes, sir. 0:45:53.380 --> 0:45:56.870 I don't think you're going to win any arguments. okay? 0:45:56.900 --> 0:46:00.830 No, because his heart is hardened toward I mean, he 0:46:00.860 --> 0:46:05.510 went from being a believing Christian to. Mhm. Or so 0:46:05.510 --> 0:46:07.160 what I thought he was. 0:46:07.250 --> 0:46:09.110 Um, you're going to win him. 0:46:09.290 --> 0:46:09.560 You're. 0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:12.290 You're actually going to win him more with your love 0:46:12.290 --> 0:46:14.690 and kindness than you will with anything else. So keep 0:46:14.690 --> 0:46:18.710 that up. Anyway, that's the program. Can you believe two 0:46:18.710 --> 0:46:22.009 hours gone really fast? Thanks for listening, everyone. Thanks to 0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:25.160 the Open Line team. 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