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S5: Hi friends.
S1: Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall. Thanks so
S1: much for spending the hour with me. We're going to
S1: set our mind on things above. And if I can
S1: say that we need to do that coming to you
S1: from Washington DC, I bet there's a whole lot of
S1: you out there who find that a welcome statement. Listen,
S1: we are so living in the day and age where
S1: there are wars and rumors of wars, where we see
S1: chaos going everywhere on this planet. And it's a profound
S1: reminder that we live East of Eden and that we
S1: are not yet home, and that this is not as
S1: good as it gets. So I just thought we'd take
S1: this hour and start thinking about when the best comes,
S1: because what is coming does matter. Now. There are all
S1: kinds of views. I understand that on how people want
S1: to interpret what I like to call the eschatological timeline,
S1: but I'm going to go with the viewpoint that we
S1: hold at Moody Bible Institute, the one that I was
S1: trained that I believe very strongly in what First Thessalonians says,
S1: and that we will be taken out of the world first.
S1: And then that's a trigger to a whole myriad of
S1: events that are going to take place, including something known
S1: as the Millennial Kingdom. And if I were to sit
S1: down with ten of you right now, probably nine and
S1: a half could not tell me a whole lot about
S1: what is going to happen during the Millennial Kingdom. But
S1: you'd sure like to know, because what we know it's
S1: going to be, well, joyful at a minimum. So how
S1: can we learn more about that millennial kingdom? That's exactly
S1: what we're going to talk about this hour. And our
S1: teacher is Doctor Nathan Jones, who serves as the director
S1: of Internet outreach and as evangelist at Lamb and Lion Ministries.
S1: They reach out to billions of people who have access
S1: over the internet with the good news of Jesus Christ.
S1: He cares a lot about this topic, by the way,
S1: because he has authored and contributed to many books, including
S1: The Mighty Angels of Revelation 12 Faith journeys of the
S1: Minor Prophets, and the one book we're talking about today,
S1: his newest, The Coming Millennial Kingdom. What life will be
S1: like for us when Jesus reigns on earth? Can I
S1: just go back to that subtitle for a minute so
S1: you can really drink it in? Not Ayatollah Khomeini, not
S1: Donald Trump, not Keir Starmer, not President XI in China,
S1: not the Ayatollah Khomeini, not Benjamin Netanyahu when Jesus reigns
S1: on earth. I thought I heard a collective sigh. So
S1: let's roll up our sleeves and get into this. Nathan,
S1: the warmest of welcomes. Thank you so much for being here.
S1: And because we're talking to people all across the country,
S1: I like to say, because it's true from Guam, all
S1: the way over there to the Cayman Islands, it may
S1: be their first exposure to Lamb and Lion Ministries. So
S1: let's start there. Tell me something about your ministry.
S6: Well, greetings in the name of Jesus, our blessed hope. Janet,
S6: so good to be on your program. Lamb and Lion
S6: Ministries is a Bible prophecy teaching ministry. Our mission is
S6: to proclaim the soon return of Jesus Christ. We believe
S6: the signs of the end times that the Bible is
S6: given points to the fact that Jesus Christ is coming soon.
S6: So our ministry calls Christians to evangelize while the time
S6: is short, and to live holy lives and to evangelize
S6: the lost and bring them to know their soon coming King.
S1: Amen and amen. So forgive me if I linger here
S1: with what seem, at first blush to be some rudimentary questions,
S1: but I love to go back to the basics first.
S1: Principles matter much. So let me just ask you a
S1: question for people who are listening again all across the
S1: country who go, oh, yawn, why should I study? What
S1: happens at the end times? My plate's full now. I
S1: barely make it to the end of the day. And besides,
S1: that book of revelation is goofy. I can't get it.
S1: I can't tell if it's literal. I can't tell if
S1: it's allegory, I don't know. I skip it in general.
S1: Tell me why it is imperative for the saints to
S1: be studying the whole counsel of God, including eschatology.
S6: Well, it surprises a lot of people that when they
S6: find out 31% of the Bible is Bible prophecy, the
S6: Bible is God's love letter to us, and he wants
S6: us to know that he is going to win it
S6: in the end, and his children through him are going
S6: to win as well. So, Janet, if I spend all
S6: my time talking about the first five years of my
S6: life and neglected the other 40 some years, then it
S6: would be very shortsighted. Well, we only live, you know, 70, 80,
S6: 90 years on this earth. But there is an eternity
S6: ahead of us. And Jesus wants to know what it's
S6: all going to be about.
S1: Mhm. Amen and amen. Okay. So now this is where
S1: it gets kind of difficult because this is radio. So
S1: we have to paint on the canvas of our listener's mind.
S1: I'd love to draw a line and sort of go
S1: through the timeline of eschatology. So can you do a
S1: flyover for us. Just the big picture first, and then
S1: we can zoom down into the Millennial Kingdom?
S6: Absolutely, absolutely. Well, you got it right. The next event,
S6: I believe, just as you do, is that Jesus Christ
S6: is going to come and rapture catch up. First Thessalonians 417,
S6: his church up to heaven before he pours his wrath
S6: out on this world in 21 judgments called the tribulation.
S6: It's a seven year time period according to the prophet Daniel,
S6: where God is going to bring judgment upon the world,
S6: but millions of people will will bend a knee and
S6: bow and proclaim Christ's Savior. He will return with his saints.
S6: At the end of those seven years, he will defeat
S6: Satan and his global empire that he will set up,
S6: and then Jesus Christ will establish his kingdom first phase
S6: for a thousand years, and then on into eternity.
S1: And the thousand years is the Millennial Kingdom.
S6: Absolutely. There are six times in revelation 20 that gives
S6: us the amount of time, thousand years, thousand years, thousand years.
S6: But there are so many other verses in the Bible
S6: that talk about Christ's coming kingdom now.
S1: And Nathan, thank you for giving me permission to ask
S1: some questions again. Might be pretty rudimentary, but I think
S1: I have a pretty good sense of my friends who
S1: are listening that they might have the same kind of questions.
S1: So if the Bible says that a day is like
S1: a thousand to the Lord, do we take a thousand
S1: years as a literal 1000 years, or is it symbolic
S1: of something else?
S6: Well, we go by the golden rule of interpretation when
S6: it comes to interpreting the Bible. If the plain sense makes.
S5: Sense.
S6: Look for no other sense, lest you end up with nonsense.
S6: And so we don't interpret the Bible allegorically or Clear
S6: symbolically when the Bible says a day is like or likened,
S6: as is a comparator, it's making a comparison. But when
S6: you read in revelation 20, it is definitely a thousand years,
S6: a thousand years over. Not like or as it's given
S6: exactly 1000 years.
S1: Okay. So good. I'm just basics now. I bet the
S1: music's going to play in a minute, but let me
S1: sort of dig into this part of this. So as
S1: you ran through that beautifully and gave us the flyover,
S1: you talk about the fact that after the tribulation, this
S1: is when Satan is going to be defeated. So where
S1: is he at that end before the Millennial Kingdom begins? Exactly.
S1: Where is Satan destroyed or is he warehoused at this point.
S6: Warehoused in the bottomless pit for a thousand years?
S1: Okay, let me pick it up. At that point, I
S1: don't know about you, but this kind of conversation gets
S1: me excited because the headlines will change every single day.
S1: This is the good news. That's never going to change,
S1: and we need to look forward to Jesus's return with
S1: joyous anticipation. Because let me say it here as a
S1: war correspondent from Babylon, this is not as good as
S1: it gets. The best is yet to come, so why
S1: not learn about it now and live with joyous anticipation?
S1: I guarantee you, when you realize how temporal life is
S1: this side of glory, it changes everything about you. The
S1: book is called The Coming Millennial Kingdom. What life will
S1: be like for us when Jesus reigns on earth? Oh,
S1: even so, come Lord Jesus back after this. When the
S1: storms of life hit with hurricane force, how do you respond?
S1: This month's truth tool is the Mediterranean Sea Rules, where
S1: Robert Morgan writes how God will redeem our tragedies for
S1: his purposes. Don't just survive the storms. Learn to serve
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S1: You know, not only are we being biblically obedient. But
S1: isn't it wonderful to just stop and set your mind
S1: on things above? You know, the Bible's the best mental
S1: health book out there, by the way. When you start
S1: thinking about the fact that the weight of this world
S1: is temporary, all the things that we're witnessing, the chaos
S1: good is called evil. Evil is called good. Men is
S1: doing what's right in their own eyes. There's a coldness
S1: between people. We're seeing licentiousness. We're seeing disregard for the law.
S1: The list goes on and on and on. None of
S1: that should come as a surprise. If you. What do
S1: we say here on this program? All the time. You
S1: walk through life with the Bible in one hand and
S1: the newspaper in the other. None of this comes as
S1: a surprise. But today we push the world aside and
S1: we just take a look at what is the world
S1: to come. And it doesn't get any better than this.
S1: Doctor Nathaniel Jones is with us. His new book is
S1: called The Coming Millennial Kingdom what life will be like
S1: for us when Jesus Reigns on Earth. So when last
S1: we met Nathan, Satan was in a pit. He was
S1: warehoused and so he's defeated. Talk to me about his defeat.
S1: Talk to me about that warehousing. He's there for a
S1: thousand years. So that opens a whole Pandora's box, no
S1: pun intended, but aptly applied. Do we? Do we see
S1: him losing any of his influence? I mean, what we
S1: read in scriptures is we have a triple headed hydra
S1: that goes after us all the time the world, the
S1: flesh and the devil. If the devil is taken out,
S1: what does that mean for the other challenges? So there's
S1: a boatload of questions there. Let me go back to
S1: the first one first. So he's warehouse. So what is
S1: he doing when he's warehoused?
S6: Well, let's back up just a bit and go back
S6: all the way to the beginning of time. Remember that
S6: Satan was the guardian cherub over God's throne, and he
S6: was the worship leader of the all the angelic realm.
S6: But he started coveting what God had, and through pride
S6: he led a third of the angels to try to
S6: overthrow God. And God cast him out. And not being
S6: able to rule the universe, he was content with trying
S6: to rule this earth and have mankind worship him. So
S6: all for the last 6000 years, Satan has been working
S6: towards getting mankind to worship him. Once the church is
S6: raptured out, he will rise up a one world ruler
S6: called the Antichrist who will have a global government and
S6: Satan will rule through this Antichrist. Halfway through the tribulation,
S6: he will then force people to worship him and Satan
S6: for just a brief time will finally get what he wants.
S6: All the craziness in the world going on today is
S6: working towards that moment. But when Jesus Christ returns in
S6: all his glory with us, the saints following him, we
S6: will see Jesus just speak in the enemy, armies will collapse,
S6: the Antichrist and false prophet will be thrown in the
S6: lake of fire and Satan in a pit. And for
S6: a thousand years Satan will be trapped in that bottomless pit,
S6: falling forever and ever and ever. And while the Bible
S6: doesn't say what happens to the demons, it gives a
S6: hint that they have already been sent to the lake
S6: of fire. So going into the Kingdom of Christ, there
S6: will not be any satanic influence. There won't be any
S6: satanic armies behind the governments like we have today.
S1: Wow, Nathan, you know how interesting and intersectional this conversation is.
S1: So let me go back to what you just said before.
S1: So Satan's in a pit. The demons are in the
S1: lake of fire for mortals. We would interpret that lake,
S1: lake of fire as ultimate ultimate annihilation that they would
S1: be totally eradicated. Um, if that's the case. So then
S1: the last demon standing is the fallen angel known as Satan. Correct?
S6: Absolutely correct.
S1: Okay. All right. So. So then so for people who
S1: and I'm not one of them who believe in this
S1: idea of annihilationism that there isn't an eternal hell, there
S1: isn't gnashing of teeth, etc., and all the things that
S1: Jesus told us about. Hell, if all of those demons
S1: are destroyed, then is hell going to have one occupant
S1: other than the people who are who choose to go there?
S1: No one. God doesn't send anybody to hell. You choose
S1: to go. Is it just Satan who's the single landlord
S1: of that place?
S6: Well, that's a kind of a misconception that people have,
S6: is that the demons rule in hell. And that's not
S6: the truth at all. Like you said, Satan. And for
S6: his rebellion and the demons rebellion at hell, it was
S6: their punishment. Jesus said that's where they're meant to go.
S6: But when mankind sinned, we fell under that same punishment.
S6: So we're all born under God's wrath. John 336. And
S6: that's why we need a savior. We need to save,
S6: be saved from that. Just punishment of hell. And that's
S6: why Jesus sacrificed himself on the cross. So that when
S6: we put our faith and trust in him, we accept
S6: that gift and we are saved. So right now, Janet,
S6: there's actually nobody in hell. The first occupants of hell
S6: will be the Antichrist and false prophet. When somebody dies
S6: today in rebellion against God there, the Bible says they
S6: are sent to torment or Hades. Luke 16 and that's
S6: where they reside until they are resurrected after the Millennial
S6: Kingdom and face final judgment at the Great White Throne judgment.
S1: So again, there's a distinction, as I'm hearing you teach
S1: it between Hades and Hell, then. Correct?
S6: That's how we teach it here. Yes.
S7: Wow. Wow.
S1: That's so interesting. So, can I tell you what else?
S1: When you were talking, I thought, oh, wow. And it
S1: made my heart hurt a little bit because I thought, thanks, Hollywood,
S1: but stop teaching me theology. Or at least trying to
S1: do that. Let's go back to what the word has
S1: to say. So if if the the landlord of hell,
S1: if I can put it that way, Satan himself the real,
S1: excruciating part of hell. Aside from its eternality and very
S1: much because of its eternality, is total separation from God.
S1: That's the hell is it not?
S6: Oh, so well said. Because the fact is that God,
S6: when he says he's the source of life, that's what
S6: he means. He's the source of life. When we want
S6: rebellion against God, we tell God, get out of it.
S6: I don't want you in my life, he says, as
S6: a gentleman does. Okay, I'll step back. But I am
S6: the source of your life. So that's why the Bible
S6: calls the lake of fire or hell eternal death. Because
S6: you're separated from the source of life.
S7: Well.
S1: Okay, so having said that, let me push hell and
S1: Hades to the side for a moment. And I'm going
S1: to go to the Millennial kingdom.
S6: The kingdom?
S1: Exactly right. So I wanted to get Satan out of
S1: the way so we don't have to worry about that.
S1: So now, in the millennial Kingdom, tell me about the atmospherics,
S1: because I asked before, this is the last part of
S1: my very verbose question. So if our challenge is the world,
S1: the flesh and the devil, this is after Satan has
S1: been thrown into the pit. Do we have any challenges
S1: like we had pre rapture? Do we still struggle with
S1: the flesh? Do we still struggle with the world? Tell
S1: me what what the world looks like in a millennial kingdom.
S6: Okay, well let me just establish why a millennial kingdom.
S6: And that's a promise that God made to King David.
S6: In second Samuel seven he said, I will set up
S6: your seed after you, and I will establish the throne
S6: of his, the Messiah's kingdom forever. So here's a promise
S6: that God made to His Son, Jesus Christ, that he
S6: would have a kingdom on this earth that would stretch
S6: into forever. Now the church kind of parks in. I
S6: would like to think of what Cotton Mather taught. There's
S6: four folds to the kingdom. There's obviously a spiritual kingdom.
S6: There's a providential kingdom in what we call the church,
S6: the ecclesiastical kingdom. But there is a Davidic kingdom that
S6: is promised to Jesus, where he rules and reigns physically
S6: on this earth. And that's what we're waiting for. And
S6: that is the whole purpose of the Millennial Kingdom for
S6: Jesus Christ to finally sit on that throne.
S1: Wow, what a place to take a break. Okay, what
S1: does that look like when Jesus sits on the throne?
S1: That's part of the subtitle of Doctor Nathan Jones brand
S1: new book, The Coming Millennial Kingdom. What life will be
S1: like for us when Jesus reigns on Earth? I cannot
S1: punch those last few words enough. You know, I'm in
S1: the seat of government here in the United States, maybe
S1: one of the most powerful cities on planet Earth, not
S1: just in the United States. And these are mere mortals, okay?
S1: All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
S1: But someday, the perfect one is going to be sitting
S1: on the throne. What will that be like? Oh, we'll
S1: tell you right after this. Doctor Nathan Jones is with us.
S1: He serves as the director of Internet Outreach and is
S1: evangelist at Lamb and Lion Ministries. They reach out to
S1: the world with the good news of Jesus Christ over
S1: the internet. His newest book is called The Coming Millennial Kingdom.
S1: What life will be like for us when Jesus reigns
S1: on earth. Okay, again, this is every question. Births a
S1: thousand more questions on this fascinating topic. So we get
S1: to the thousand year reign. Okay. Mailing address. Where does
S1: this get set up?
S6: Okay, well, we got to know that the Bible ends
S6: with a promise from Jesus that he gives not once,
S6: not twice, but three times. In revelation 22, he says, behold,
S6: I am coming quickly, and my reward is with me
S6: to give to everyone according to his work. So we
S6: have the ironclad promise from the Son of God Himself
S6: that he will come back. And folks, that's meant to
S6: give us great encouragement in our age when we see
S6: all the disasters around us. Why, when the Lord comes
S6: back because of the character of his reign. And that's
S6: how I start. The book actually is looking at various
S6: great kingdoms and how they've all failed because they've never
S6: provided peace and security like government is meant to. Janet,
S6: look at Daniel two, for instance. The God of heaven
S6: will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed,
S6: and it shall not be left to other people, and
S6: it will consume all these kingdoms, all the kingdoms of today,
S6: and it shall stand forever. So when we look at
S6: the world politics, we know that one day it's going
S6: to end, and all the incompetency and corruption of failed,
S6: flawed human government will finally be over when the king returns.
S7: Wow.
S1: Okay. So where? So it's the end of. It's the
S1: beginning of the thousand years. Now we know there's going
S1: to be a new heaven and a new earth. So
S1: where will the Millennial Kingdom be set up? And what
S1: we understand in our cryptic way is heaven or will
S1: it be on the new earth?
S6: Okay, well, the new heavens and the new Earth are
S6: a prophecy for the eternal state that comes after the
S6: Millennial Kingdom. But 21 judgments of the Lord says that
S6: after those 21 judgments, if he didn't come when he did,
S6: there would be no life left on the earth. That's
S6: how terrible this judgment, like the flood was. This tribulation
S6: will be so when Jesus returns, he's got to obviously
S6: rebuild the planet and the God of the universe, who
S6: created everything in six days shouldn't have any trouble fixing
S6: the planet. But Daniel gives us 75 days from when
S6: he returns to when his kingdom starts. He's going to
S6: replenish and fix the Earth, but he's also going to
S6: send out the angels to gather those who've survived the tribulation.
S6: And Janet, that's not going to be a lot of them,
S6: because they'll fit all in one valley. And he will
S6: hold what's called in Matthew 25, the sheep goat judgment,
S6: those who've rejected him and accepted the mark of the beast.
S6: In other words, they declared, Loyalty to Satan will be
S6: sent to torments where they will await punishment. But those
S6: who've accepted Christ will go on into the kingdom in
S6: their earthly bodies. So there's actually four groups that enter
S6: the kingdom, those of us church age saints and our
S6: glorified bodies returning with Christ. When he comes back, he
S6: will resurrect the Old Testament saints and the tribulation saints
S6: who were martyred also in their glorified bodies. And then
S6: the fourth group are those who survived the tribulation in
S6: their earthly bodies. They will be the citizens of that
S6: kingdom and they will repopulate the planet.
S7: Well.
S1: For those who come to faith in Christ during the tribulation,
S1: but end up being martyred, where do they go when
S1: they die?
S6: Well, read in revelation that they go up to the
S6: throne of God. They stand by the crystal sea and
S6: they cry out to God, how much longer until all
S6: our number has been fulfilled? So that's where they wait
S6: up with God, waiting to come back with us at
S6: the very end. Or excuse me, waiting for the church
S6: to return with Christ at the end of the tribulation,
S6: and then for them to be resurrected upon Christ's return.
S7: Wow.
S1: Nathan, I thank you so much for the gracious way
S1: that you're answering these questions. And I also want to
S1: thank you even more for the judiciously biblical way you're
S1: answering these questions. It'd be very easy to embellish and
S1: to broaden what we know in Scripture, but we can't
S1: do that. We can't. You know that. And that's eisegesis.
S1: We can't put there what's not there. This goes back
S1: to your plain sense comment before, which is absolutely true. So, um,
S1: when we when the new Earth is being built, like
S1: the 75 days, I think for a lot of people,
S1: that's the first time they've ever heard that. So I'm
S1: going to ask you a question, and, I don't know,
S1: maybe it's somewhere in a reference of a verse and
S1: we've not put two and two together. But while the
S1: Lord is doing this 75 day rebuild for the new Earth,
S1: do we have a front row seat? Do we get
S1: to see that? Where will we park for the 75
S1: days when the construction plan is going on?
S6: Oh, here's the great part, Janet. We are the administrators
S6: of his kingdom, and I feel like I'm kind of
S6: getting a little ahead here. But it's important because people
S6: want to know this book is about your future, right?
S6: In other words, if you know Jesus Christ as your Savior,
S6: then we are the administrative body of his kingdom. Daniel
S6: 718 says, but the saints of the Most High shall
S6: receive the kingdom and possess the kingdom forever. Daniel 727
S6: then the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the
S6: kingdoms under the whole world shall be given to the people,
S6: the saints of the Most High. You know, today we're
S6: just happy if a politician is elected who at least
S6: has some Judeo-Christian values. But in the kingdom of Christ,
S6: every single person going into the Millennial Kingdom will be
S6: saved and know Jesus Christ as their Savior. So, in
S6: contrast to corrupted governments of today, will have a perfect king,
S6: a purified administrative station, and a saved populace at least
S6: going into the Millennial Kingdom.
S7: Wow.
S1: Unbelievable. Oh, golly. Okay, there's so much to think about.
S1: Let me. I've got a bunch of questions, but I
S1: don't want to get ahead. Let me just give my
S1: friend some references, and then I'm going to pick it
S1: up at that point when we return. Because I think
S1: it's imperative. In fact, Nathan, if you don't mind, when
S1: we come back, this conversation is absolutely moot if we
S1: don't understand exactly how it is that this is our future.
S1: This isn't everybody's future. It's the future of some who
S1: have made a decision. I'd like you to tell us
S1: what you have to do to make sure that we know,
S1: beyond a shadow of a doubt, that we will be
S1: someday residents of the Millennial Kingdom. How does that work?
S1: Doctor Nathan Jones will answer that question when we return.
S1: His new book is called The Coming Millennial Kingdom what
S1: life will be like when Jesus Reigns on Earth? I
S1: don't know about you, but I'd rather think about this
S1: every single day and I can't wait for it to happen.
S1: Are you ready, by the way? Could be tonight. No
S1: man knows the hour of the day. No other prophecies
S1: need to be fulfilled. His return is imminent. Make your
S1: heart beat a little faster. I hope so, if it's not. Hey, awake,
S1: o sleeper. We'll be back after this. What's the goal
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S1: Why do we do this? So that we can be
S1: confident when speaking the truth in a confused culture? Are
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S5: What a wonderful.
S1: Conversation we're having. About the best that's yet to come.
S1: We do live East of Eden. All have sinned and
S1: come short of the glory of God than by man
S1: came death. And so we are not in a place
S1: of perfection, but it gets so, so much better for
S1: those who have believed with their mouth that Jesus is Lord,
S1: and confess with their mouth that God has raised him
S1: from the dead. I slaughtered that verse. Believe in their heart. Okay,
S1: I want to get the heart in the mouth out
S1: in order there. But that's why we're having this conversation,
S1: so that you can understand that there will be a
S1: coming millennial kingdom, and the leader will be none other
S1: than Jesus Christ himself, and it will be a kingdom
S1: like no other. Nathan starts the book by taking a
S1: look at eight empires, by the way, and if you
S1: study them, there are so many similarities between these eight
S1: major empires. The average life, by the way, of an
S1: empire 250 years, every single one of them. There were
S1: hallmarks of why every one of them fell the dissolution
S1: of the family, the introduction of licentiousness, the exaltation of self,
S1: all of those hallmarks. And by the way, America is
S1: approaching its 250th birthday. Just let the record reflect, your honor.
S1: But the kingdom that's coming will not pass away. The
S1: coming Millennial Kingdom. What life will be like when Jesus
S1: reigns on earth. Doctor Nathan Jones serves as the director
S1: of Internet Outreach and as evangelist at Lamb and Lion Ministries.
S1: Their goal is to use the power of the internet
S1: to tell the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
S1: So this conversation is vacuous for people who don't know
S1: or cannot say with absolute certainty. I know beyond a
S1: shadow of a doubt, that when I breathe my last,
S1: I will be absent from the body and present with
S1: the Lord. In fact, Christ in me is the very
S1: hope of glory. So, Nathan, how does someone know that?
S1: How can they make sure they know beyond a shadow
S1: of a doubt?
S6: Oh, that's a critical truth. Because you can't be a
S6: citizen of the Kingdom, whether the Millennial Kingdom or even
S6: the eternal Kingdom, unless Jesus Christ has saved you from
S6: your sins. Not Buddha, not Muhammad. Uh, it says in
S6: John 14 six, Jesus says, I am the way, the truth,
S6: and the life. No one comes to the father except
S6: by me. Only through the truth of Jesus Christ do
S6: we know how to be saved again. Acts 412 nor
S6: is there salvation in any other, for there is no
S6: other name under heaven given among men by which we
S6: must be saved. Emphasis on the must be saved. Why?
S6: Because Romans 623, the wages of our sin is death.
S6: We have a eternal death sentence on us because of
S6: our sins. But here's the hope the gift of God
S6: is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Janet, I
S6: love how you quoted Romans ten nine through ten that
S6: if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord,
S6: and believe in your heart that God raised him from
S6: the dead. You will be saved. And when you do
S6: that in faith and repentance, your sins are forgiven and
S6: you will become a citizen of Christ's kingdom.
S7: Wow.
S1: Now, Nathan, it's so easy and we get sloppy in
S1: our thinking sometimes. That's why I challenge my friends always
S1: here to be thinking biblically and critically. And they're two
S1: halves of a whole. It's not an either or. When
S1: you come to faith in Christ, there are people listening
S1: right now, I'm pretty sure, saying, well, Nathan, I don't know.
S1: That seems too easy. I just I just have to
S1: believe that Jesus is exactly who he said he is.
S1: That's enough. Don't I have to do something? I mean,
S1: all these other worldviews out there say, I've. I've got
S1: to pray five times a day. I've got to follow
S1: certain letters of the law. I have to work up
S1: to be a theten if I'm into Scientology. I mean,
S1: isn't there some fine print in the contract I'm missing?
S6: Workspace salvation is a stumbling block for many people, so
S6: turn to Ephesians 289 and ten. It says, for by
S6: grace you have been saved through faith, and that not
S6: of yourselves. It is a gift of God, not by works,
S6: lest anyone should boast. So it's a wonderful promise that, hey,
S6: there is nothing you can do. Matter of fact, the
S6: Bible calls your good works filthy rags. Isn't that amazing?
S6: Filthy rags. Why? Because the sin that we commit the
S6: rebellion in our heart stains the good works we try
S6: to accomplish. And therefore, there's only one work that matters.
S6: It's the work that Jesus Christ did on the cross.
S6: That's the only work of salvation. And he beat death
S6: by resurrecting from the dead. And when we put our
S6: faith and trust in Jesus Christ, he promises to forgive
S6: our sins and give us citizenship in his kingdom.
S1: Amen. Nathan, I don't do this very often, but I'm
S1: feeling very often. But I'm feeling a very strong tug
S1: that people are finding this conversation fascinating, but they also
S1: understand that a miss is as good as a mile here,
S1: if I can use that euphemism. That is as excited
S1: as we get about the coming Millennial Kingdom. There's a
S1: no entry sign there if you don't know Christ as
S1: your personal Lord and Savior. Could you just pray a
S1: prayer that anybody listening right now who hasn't yet prayed
S1: that prayer might make that decision? Because I want them
S1: to be as excited as you and I are about
S1: the coming Millennial Kingdom when Jesus himself reigns on earth.
S1: Nothing in what we're currently experiencing is going to be
S1: like it, so we don't want you to miss out. So, Nathan,
S1: would you pray?
S6: Absolutely. If you believe that Jesus Christ is your Savior,
S6: then from your heart pray something like, Lord Jesus, I
S6: know I'm a sinner. I know I rebelled against you.
S6: Please forgive me. I love you and I want you
S6: to be the Savior and Lord of my life. And
S6: Jesus promise he will forgive your sins. He will wash
S6: all that guilt away and you will inherit eternal life
S6: in his kingdom.
S1: Amen and amen. Get a Bible. Find a friend who
S1: knows the Lord. Start going to a church where Jesus
S1: is taught in his word is his word is being
S1: preached as well. Now I also want you to get
S1: excited about this millennial kingdom. So let me go back
S1: to talking about the four groups of people that are
S1: going to be there. And there was a thought that
S1: came to my mind. If it's a thousand year reign,
S1: wait a minute. How does a thousand years square off
S1: with eternity? There is no beginning or end to eternity.
S1: What happens? And I'm going to go back to walking
S1: those streets in that millennial kingdom in a minute. But
S1: when the thousand years end, what happens?
S6: Wow. Okay, you want to skip all the good stuff
S6: and go to one of the greatest tragedies in all
S6: the Bible? Okay, imagine that you're living in a Paradise.
S6: You have the perfect righteous king. You've got a perfect
S6: government because the administrators are purified, but the citizens that
S6: are born during that time are still in their fallen
S6: earthly bodies. And whether we live in the worst place
S6: in the world, or a utopia which is what this
S6: Paradise will be like, the heart still wants to rebel
S6: against God. It still wants the lusts of the flesh.
S6: And so we read at the end of the Millennial Kingdom,
S6: Satan will be released. And immediately he goes back to
S6: deceiving the children of the tribulation saints, just like he
S6: did Adam and Eve in the garden. And what's really sad, Janet,
S6: one of the greatest tragedies in the Bible, is still
S6: yet to come. At the end of that kingdom it says,
S6: like the sands of the sea, they will follow Satan
S6: in one last attempt to overthrow Jesus and his throne
S6: in Jerusalem. Now, one of the characteristics of the Millennial
S6: Kingdom is that there's no war. So the Lord will
S6: send fire down, destroy the rebels, and that ends the
S6: Millennial Kingdom. Proof positive that as long as sin is
S6: in the world, you can't have a perfect society.
S7: Wow.
S1: And forgive me for just letting my imagination go for
S1: a minute. So you're living in this place of perfection
S1: where Jesus himself is on the throne. But over a
S1: thousand years, they're going to be generations that live and die.
S1: And there will be those who have the opportunity to
S1: come to faith in Christ. Raises a couple of questions.
S1: Number one, is the Holy Spirit active during this period
S1: of time?
S6: Oh, absolutely. Matter of fact, Jesus has promised the great
S6: creator and Carpenter that he is that he will establish
S6: his throne in Jerusalem. He says in Zechariah 116, I
S6: am returning where not to Brussels or D.C., or New
S6: York City, to Jerusalem. And he says, my house shall
S6: be built in it. And he also says that his
S6: house of worship will be there will be a millennial temple,
S6: not the one that will be built during the tribulation,
S6: that the Antichrist will desecrate, but one that we calculate
S6: in Ezekiel chapters 40 to 48. 20mi². It's that big.
S6: And the Lord will be there. And the Bible tells
S6: us in Isaiah 45 that the Shekinah glory of God,
S6: just like he led the in the Exodus as a
S6: cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night is.
S6: Isaiah four says that the Shekinah glory of God will
S6: rest over that temple, so we will have perfect fellowship.
S6: We will go see Jesus in Jerusalem. We will see
S6: the Holy Spirit residing over the temple, but not yet
S6: the father, seeing the father is reserved for the eternal state.
S7: Wow.
S1: Okay, so and again, I'm going to be rudimentary on
S1: this on purpose, because this is a fascinatingly profound and
S1: complex conversation. But it's also very, very simplistic when you
S1: just get into that word. So you and I are saved,
S1: and we know beyond a shadow of a doubt when
S1: we breathe, our last will be in his presence. And
S1: so if we've not been raptured up in first Thessalonians manner,
S1: then we're going to be in his presence. So we've
S1: walked through the timeline. The millennial kingdom begins. I'm already
S1: am I not? You are already are you not at
S1: that point in a state of eternality? If that's the case,
S1: who are the people that are living and giving birth
S1: and dying during that period?
S6: The tribulation saints that go through the sheep goat judgment
S6: as Matthew 25. They go on in their earthly bodies
S6: and they're the ones that repopulate the planet. I've heard
S6: some estimates that when you get some of the aspects
S6: of the Millennial Kingdom is sickness, the curse will be
S6: partially lifted. No more sickness like we have today. I mean,
S6: people break arms and things like that, you know? But
S6: for the most part, the major diseases will be gone.
S6: And the Bible says that lifespans will be like the trees,
S6: like the pre-flood times in the hundreds of years again,
S6: that the world population could possibly reach up to 20
S6: billion people in just a thousand years.
S7: Wow.
S1: Unbelievable. Okay. But again, the we won't die. This is
S1: just going to be those who come out of the tribulation.
S6: Right? Because we're in our glorified bodies. In other words,
S6: our resurrected, glorified bodies. The sin nature is gone. We're
S6: not capable of sinning anymore. We're the administrators of that kingdom.
S6: We're the teachers and the law enforcers, but not the
S6: law giver. There's only one law giver, Jesus Christ. And
S6: so we will be the servants of him. But you're right.
S6: We have an eternal future ahead of us because we're
S6: in that glorified body state, and we will be taking
S6: care of those in their earthly bodies who will be
S6: born during that time. And, you know, child deaths will disappear. Obviously,
S6: there won't be abortion in this kingdom. Imagine how quickly
S6: the world will start being populated, and all the babies
S6: and children that we'll get to see right off the bat.
S7: Right.
S1: So here's my philosophical question. And I don't know that
S1: Scripture gives us an answer, but I it's part of
S1: putting your mind on things above. So you've got not
S1: some earthly flawed leader, but you've got Jesus himself, the
S1: God incarnate, the King of all creation, gentle, loving Savior.
S1: I don't know what the modes of communication will be,
S1: and I don't think we take a step backwards technologically.
S1: Somehow we'll be able to communicate. And even though it's
S1: a big planet, that there will be the knowledge of
S1: who he is, that Jesus will make himself known during
S1: that period of time. So here's the question, and I'd
S1: love your thoughts, Nathan, on the other side of the break,
S1: how can you not believe in him? This is a
S1: person who won't get caught cheating on his taxes, you know,
S1: or taking from the national budget or declaring war on
S1: anyone or anything. He will be absolute perfect. Mercy, love, grace,
S1: truth and perfection. How could somebody not believe? How could
S1: there be anybody that doesn't believe during that period? I'll
S1: get your thoughts when we return the book. And there's
S1: a ton more in the book than what we've talked
S1: about the coming Millennial Kingdom back after this. Doctor Nathan
S1: Jones is with us. He serves as the director of
S1: Internet Outreach and as evangelist at Lamb and Lion Ministries.
S1: By the way, I have a link to their ministry
S1: if you'd like to know more and be a participant
S1: as well, go for it. It's on the information page.
S1: I also have a link to the book that Nathan
S1: has just authored called The Coming Millennial Kingdom. What life
S1: will be like for Us when Jesus reigns on Earth,
S1: and you can see how our conversation just begets more
S1: questions and more questions and more questions. There are more
S1: answers and more answers and more answers in Nathan's book.
S1: So I really want to encourage you, but it's kind
S1: of philosophical. Just sister to brother. So you've got the
S1: perfect leader. I mean, I'm in Washington. Trust me, we
S1: don't have a single perfect leader in this town. So
S1: now we've got the perfect leader for a thousand years. Nathan,
S1: how does anybody not come to faith in Jesus Christ
S1: when that happens? How does Satan get any captives during
S1: that end of the Millennial kingdom?
S6: It's mind blowing. I mean, you think today one of
S6: the biggest problems, especially in the secular world, is they
S6: put the government as their God. And so they can't
S6: stand any comments against it or but, you know, true
S6: security and justice for its people has been failed, like
S6: you said with every government. And Janet, the saddest verse,
S6: I think one of the saddest verse in the entire Bible,
S6: Micah seven three, the Prince asks for gifts, the judge
S6: seeks a bribe, and the great man utters his evil desire.
S6: And so they scheme together. And so let's compare that
S6: then to what we know about the righteousness of Jesus.
S6: Let's go to that famous Christmas verse, Isaiah 967 for
S6: unto us a child is born, and a son is given,
S6: and the government will be upon his shoulders. Here's the
S6: characteristics of this King wonderful counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father,
S6: Prince of Peace, the increase of his government and peace.
S6: Lots of peace. There is no end upon the throne
S6: of David, the Davidic throne and his kingdom. He will
S6: bring judgment and justice from that time forward. Uh, look
S6: at Isaiah 42 three. He will bring forth justice for truth.
S6: He will not fail nor be discouraged to his established
S6: justice in the earth, and the coastlands shall wait for
S6: his law. What a difference between failed, flawed human governments
S6: today that is so corrupt. Obviously, DOJ's pointing that out
S6: every day to us how bad even our good country
S6: is compared to the king that's coming. The just righteous
S6: king that gave his life so that we might be saved. Uh,
S6: I that's a question I can't answer, Janet. Why do
S6: people not reject Jesus? Because the Bible says they love evil.
S6: They love their own lusts.
S7: Yeah.
S1: Exactly right. Wow. All right, so, uh, a thousand years.
S1: Give me the life of an average saint in the
S1: millennial Kingdom. What's what's life going to look like now?
S1: You hinted at something earlier before, which I love, which
S1: is the administrative position. Uh, my mind races with excitement
S1: to think what that's going to look like. So what
S1: will what will we do for that thousand years?
S6: Oh, that's a very good question. Well, there's actually two
S6: particular groups here that in the administrative process, you know,
S6: many Jewish people will come to know Jesus as their
S6: Savior and during the tribulation. And the Lord has always
S6: meant for the Jewish people to be a priestly people.
S6: So for the Jewish people, they will serve King Jesus
S6: as a priesthood. During that time, Hosea 14 says, I
S6: will heal their backsliding, and I will love them freely,
S6: for my anger has turned away from them. So the
S6: Lord isn't done with the Jewish people, as some of
S6: the liberal Christians say today. Zechariah 823, great verse. It says,
S6: in those days and the kingdom, ten men from every
S6: language of the nations, the Gentile nations shall grasp the
S6: sleeve of a Jewish man, saying, let us go with you.
S6: For we have heard that God is with you. So
S6: the Jewish people will. That'll be their job. There won't
S6: be just the Levites. It'll be all of them, and
S6: they will bring the Gentile nations up to see King Jesus.
S6: You know, I couldn't walk into the white House and
S6: go see President Trump. But during the kingdom, the Lord
S6: opens his throne room freely and the people come to
S6: see him. And just like in the first coming, where
S6: he sat on the hillside and taught the people again,
S6: the Bible says that Jesus will sit there and he
S6: will share his law, and the people will stream up
S6: to see the Lord, and his law will stream back
S6: down and bless the earth. And so we, the Gentiles,
S6: in our administrative functions, our everyday life will be running
S6: the government, whatever it takes to run a government. Now again,
S6: there won't be a Congress making laws or anything. That's
S6: Jesus's job. But we will take care of the people
S6: who are in their earthly bodies during that time. And
S6: what a time it is. What a time of joy.
S6: Jeremiah 31 says, the Virgin will rejoice in the dance,
S6: and the young men and old together. For I will
S6: turn their mourning to joy, and will comfort them, and
S6: make them rejoice rather than sorrow. Uh, Janet, the Millennial
S6: Kingdom is going to be defined as a time of
S6: great joy.
S1: Nathan, is there ever a moment in the thousand years? Subjective.
S1: But let me ask it anyway, because we're family. Is
S1: there ever a moment in that thousand years when we're
S1: not crying tears of joy? I mean, you talked about
S1: people walking into the throne. I just could I just
S1: sit in the courts for a while. I'd be happy
S1: just thinking I could be in the courts. I don't
S1: know if I'll have the courage to finally look on
S1: the face of Jesus.
S6: Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's. There is a little sadness there.
S6: Isaiah 6520 tells us this about. This is a prophecy
S6: that the ages of people will go back to the
S6: pre-flood times of hundreds of years. It says, no more
S6: shall an infant there live but a few days. So
S6: no more child deaths, nor an old man who has
S6: not fulfilled his days. For the child shall die 100
S6: years old. And here's the sad thing. But the sinner,
S6: in other words, those who rejected Christ, and you know
S6: they got free will. Of course, being 100 years old
S6: shall be accursed. For as the days of a tree,
S6: so shall be the days of my people. So as
S6: the kingdom I think it's going to be. The joy
S6: will be totally top notch in the beginning, the first
S6: hundred years or so. But as we see those born
S6: in the kingdom choose Christ or not and see those
S6: reject Christ, he won't give them long life. And so
S6: that's when some of the sadness starts in, until eventually,
S6: at the end of the kingdom, we see that the, the, um,
S6: rebellion will be and many will die. And that will
S6: be a truly sad point.
S7: Yes, yes.
S1: Do I have the opportunity to be an evangelist during
S1: that time?
S6: Oh, absolutely. Yeah. We're going to be teaching the children
S6: all about Jesus Christ, and we're going to be taking
S6: them on field trips up to Jerusalem.
S7: I just love that. Wow.
S1: Oh my goodness gracious. This time is just it makes
S1: your heart just beat a little bit faster. So, um,
S1: there's so much more in the book. What do you think?
S1: You talked about Joy, and it took us a while
S1: to get there. But there is so much of stuff
S1: we have to get through to get to the Millennial Kingdom.
S1: Part of this. What's the biggest thing for the saints?
S1: For those who know beyond a shadow of a doubt,
S1: that their name is written in the Lamb's Book of
S1: Life and nothing and no one can separate them from
S1: the love of God. In anticipation of that thousand years,
S1: what is the biggest takeaway that we should have in
S1: anticipation of that period of time?
S6: When you have an eternal perspective, it makes everything in
S6: this life make sense.
S5: Absolutely true. Wow. Okay, let.
S1: Me tell my friends again. The book is called The
S1: Coming Millennial Kingdom. What life will be like for us
S1: when Jesus reigns on Earth. And just as Nathan gave
S1: those crystal clear biblical answers, it's exactly the way he writes.
S1: So getting a little excited about this, I think the
S1: Lord likes it when we're getting excited about being in
S1: his presence. But let me go back to something else.
S1: To those of you who found this conversation curious, interesting,
S1: you got a little closer to your radio because maybe
S1: the conversation tickled your ears. By the time I say
S1: goodbye to you in a few seconds, maybe it's time
S1: for you to say hello to Jesus Christ and to
S1: recognize who he is. Consider who he is so that
S1: someday you too will be a citizen in the Millennial Kingdom.
S1: Thank you Nathan. Thank you friends. We'll see you next time.