1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,039 S1: You know, that's a hard thing because it is God's 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,640 S1: will and we trust him. We trust him to write 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,200 S1: our story. Sometimes the news is good, sometimes it's not good. 4 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,520 S1: As you know, for 30 months I took care of 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,480 S1: my late wife, Bobbi, as she stepped into heaven with 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:25,200 S1: ovarian cancer. And so the healing came at the end. 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,800 S1: For some people, it comes before the end, but we 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,880 S1: hold our hands open and we trust him. We are 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,080 S1: grateful for his mercy and his grace. And each new day, 10 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,360 S1: every time we wake up, we say, thank you, Lord, 11 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,880 S1: for a new day. And as I do this morning, 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,839 S1: I prayed with Nancy. She was almost awake and I said, 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,599 S1: thank you for a good rest and a new day. 14 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,560 S1: I do that every morning. So, I mean, the Lord 15 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,440 S1: is really good. I mean, that that's a cliche, but 16 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,680 S1: cliches become cliches because they're true and people keep saying 17 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:57,640 S1: them right. So the Lord is good. 18 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:03,090 S2: The remembrance of the righteous is a blessing. And today, 19 00:01:03,090 --> 00:01:06,970 S2: on Chris Fabry Live, we pay tribute to Robert Wolgemuth 20 00:01:07,370 --> 00:01:10,490 S2: as we presented a guided tour of his heart through 21 00:01:10,530 --> 00:01:14,130 S2: his own words and from the two women he just 22 00:01:14,170 --> 00:01:19,490 S2: referenced his first wife, Bobbie, and then from Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth, 23 00:01:19,530 --> 00:01:25,410 S2: who posted Saturday that her husband was safely home. She wrote, 24 00:01:25,410 --> 00:01:29,050 S2: the Lord gave us an amazing ten years together to 25 00:01:29,090 --> 00:01:34,250 S2: joyfully love and serve him, each other and others. So 26 00:01:34,250 --> 00:01:36,569 S2: today on Chris Fabry Live, we're going back to a 27 00:01:36,569 --> 00:01:39,970 S2: few of the conversations we had with Robert to see 28 00:01:39,970 --> 00:01:43,289 S2: a little of the sweep of his life. Our programs 29 00:01:43,290 --> 00:01:46,290 S2: recorded today. Don't call us. Let me thank Ryan and 30 00:01:46,290 --> 00:01:49,690 S2: Tricia for their work to bring this program together. And 31 00:01:49,690 --> 00:01:52,410 S2: let me thank those people through the years who have 32 00:01:52,410 --> 00:01:56,730 S2: contributed to this program. You're going to hear conversations from 33 00:01:56,730 --> 00:02:00,660 S2: 10 or 12 years ago and in the intervening time 34 00:02:01,060 --> 00:02:04,900 S2: that exists because of the support of people who contributed. 35 00:02:05,180 --> 00:02:07,660 S2: And I don't know who needs the encouragement. You're going 36 00:02:07,700 --> 00:02:11,380 S2: to hear today from Robert and Bobby and Nancy. But 37 00:02:11,380 --> 00:02:13,700 S2: you are part of that when you give a gift. 38 00:02:13,900 --> 00:02:16,859 S2: So thank you. And let me encourage you to go 39 00:02:16,860 --> 00:02:20,100 S2: online to call us, join with us in what we're 40 00:02:20,100 --> 00:02:24,260 S2: doing here every day. If you value that, go to Chris. 41 00:02:26,860 --> 00:02:32,980 S2: Or you can call 86695 Fabry. Doctor Michael Rudnick is 42 00:02:32,980 --> 00:02:35,540 S2: going to join us Thursday. His little book, How Should 43 00:02:35,540 --> 00:02:38,579 S2: Christians Think about Israel is our thank you right now. 44 00:02:38,980 --> 00:02:45,100 S2: So call or click through. Just go to Chris. And 45 00:02:45,100 --> 00:02:47,980 S2: thank you for your support of the radio backyard fence. 46 00:02:48,980 --> 00:02:52,100 S2: Let's go back to May of 2014. You heard Robert 47 00:02:52,100 --> 00:02:55,660 S2: mention his wife Bobby. This is a recording from First 48 00:02:55,660 --> 00:02:59,990 S2: Presbyterian Church in Orlando, when Doctor David Swanson had Robert 49 00:02:59,990 --> 00:03:02,669 S2: and Bobby tell what had gone on in their lives 50 00:03:02,669 --> 00:03:06,869 S2: with Bobby's cancer diagnosis. And Robert says this. 51 00:03:07,750 --> 00:03:09,790 S3: One of the things that we've talked about in the 52 00:03:09,790 --> 00:03:12,990 S3: last several weeks. Do you remember the account in Philippians 53 00:03:12,990 --> 00:03:16,550 S3: chapter one, when the apostle Paul was in chains and 54 00:03:16,550 --> 00:03:19,549 S3: he was writing to the church, and by the way, 55 00:03:20,110 --> 00:03:26,070 S3: the church, what would we do without the church? But 56 00:03:26,070 --> 00:03:29,110 S3: when he wrote to these people, he said, I'm I'm 57 00:03:29,110 --> 00:03:33,030 S3: happy for my chains because I believe that it's going 58 00:03:33,270 --> 00:03:38,550 S3: to eliminate your fear of chains. And I think one 59 00:03:38,550 --> 00:03:41,750 S3: of the ministries that the Lord has given Bobby is 60 00:03:41,750 --> 00:03:45,590 S3: that people have lost their fear because they see she's 61 00:03:45,590 --> 00:03:50,870 S3: in chains and she's not afraid. So and it is 62 00:03:50,870 --> 00:03:53,390 S3: an interesting thing, the whole fear thing, when when we 63 00:03:53,390 --> 00:03:57,280 S3: were first diagnosed. That's one of the things that we said. 64 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,960 S3: We're not afraid. And our goal is that the Lord 65 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,080 S3: will be lifted up, that he would be glorified, that 66 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,400 S3: prayer has been answered over and over again. There are 67 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,480 S3: lots of friends sitting here for whom that that the 68 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,920 S3: answer to that prayer is, is them is their lives. 69 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,120 S4: And one of the things I remember, one of the 70 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,680 S4: nurses said, you're such a positive person. And I said, well, 71 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:26,480 S4: that's partially true. However, you have no idea how many 72 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:31,600 S4: women are praying for you. The nurses, the doctors. Because 73 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,839 S4: when the prayers for me from this body of believers 74 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:41,800 S4: have been sustaining encouraging the text verses the meals, the 75 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,000 S4: precious girls in my Bible study, who are my daughters, 76 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:50,080 S4: who have come and called and texted and sent messages 77 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,650 S4: of encouragement. There is no better place to land then 78 00:04:54,650 --> 00:04:58,010 S4: right in the middle of the sanctuary of Jesus with 79 00:04:58,010 --> 00:05:02,049 S4: his people. And that has been, uh, the the thing 80 00:05:02,050 --> 00:05:04,530 S4: I want to give to the other people, the other 81 00:05:04,529 --> 00:05:07,409 S4: patients I see in the waiting room is the body 82 00:05:07,410 --> 00:05:10,729 S4: of Christ. I want to give them you because that 83 00:05:11,290 --> 00:05:14,690 S4: is the sustaining grace of God, his word, his people. 84 00:05:15,330 --> 00:05:17,730 S5: Um, I'd love to keep asking questions, but I'm going 85 00:05:17,770 --> 00:05:19,570 S5: to I'm going to ask one more. And Robert, it's 86 00:05:19,570 --> 00:05:24,729 S5: of you. Um, you know, I know it's incredibly challenging 87 00:05:24,730 --> 00:05:26,850 S5: and difficult for you, but when you're the loved one 88 00:05:26,850 --> 00:05:31,490 S5: who's watching someone you love, who is seriously ill, how 89 00:05:31,490 --> 00:05:33,290 S5: have how have you walked through this? 90 00:05:34,570 --> 00:05:38,530 S3: Well, like a lot of of our friends here would testify, 91 00:05:39,010 --> 00:05:43,890 S3: it's impossible to encourage Bobbie without her going first. And 92 00:05:43,890 --> 00:05:45,970 S3: so I've lived this life in the last two and 93 00:05:45,970 --> 00:05:49,969 S3: a half years, just being overwhelmed by my wife's encouragement 94 00:05:49,970 --> 00:05:53,900 S3: of me. And even though she doesn't say this in 95 00:05:53,900 --> 00:05:57,180 S3: the hospital, it really starts in God's Word. We read 96 00:05:57,180 --> 00:05:59,219 S3: the Bible together every morning. We get up at dark 97 00:05:59,220 --> 00:06:03,620 S3: 30 and we read the Bible every morning. This is 98 00:06:03,620 --> 00:06:08,180 S3: my fifth time through the Bible. Bobby's 32nd time through 99 00:06:08,180 --> 00:06:13,340 S3: the Bible. So when people say, like, where does this 100 00:06:13,339 --> 00:06:15,780 S3: come from? How do you get this encouragement? How do 101 00:06:15,779 --> 00:06:20,420 S3: you get this positive attitude? Well, 32 years going coast 102 00:06:20,420 --> 00:06:23,380 S3: to coast in God's Word has made all the difference 103 00:06:23,380 --> 00:06:27,020 S3: in my wife's life. So how do I get through it? Friends, 104 00:06:27,060 --> 00:06:29,780 S3: Bobby has referred to friends, but the presence of Jesus. 105 00:06:30,220 --> 00:06:33,980 S3: It's pretty simple, and his promise is that he won't 106 00:06:33,980 --> 00:06:36,700 S3: go away. He'll never leave us. So day by day, 107 00:06:37,380 --> 00:06:41,539 S3: with and with each passing moment. Another song, uh, strength 108 00:06:41,540 --> 00:06:45,339 S3: I find to meet my trials here. Trusting in my 109 00:06:45,339 --> 00:06:51,020 S3: father's wise bestowment I have no cause for worry or 110 00:06:51,060 --> 00:06:52,989 S3: for fear. So there we are. 111 00:06:58,830 --> 00:07:00,790 S6: You know what's so interesting? I, I've said this to 112 00:07:00,830 --> 00:07:05,110 S6: Robert that your theology is more important than your oncologist 113 00:07:05,110 --> 00:07:08,830 S6: or your doctor at any given point. And I believe 114 00:07:08,870 --> 00:07:13,990 S6: what we believe about God is the thing that is 115 00:07:13,990 --> 00:07:17,390 S6: the rock solid part of our of our heart and 116 00:07:17,430 --> 00:07:20,630 S6: holds our souls together. So I would say that, um, 117 00:07:20,830 --> 00:07:25,230 S6: because we have, you know, been studying God's Word because 118 00:07:25,230 --> 00:07:28,670 S6: we know about his character. Uh, I would say that 119 00:07:28,670 --> 00:07:30,910 S6: has been the thing that has stabilized us. 120 00:07:31,270 --> 00:07:34,270 S7: Yeah. And and, you know, this, but the the way 121 00:07:34,630 --> 00:07:40,110 S7: the church comes together in support of situations that are 122 00:07:40,110 --> 00:07:46,310 S7: out of your control disasters, crisis, sickness, accidents, death, you 123 00:07:46,310 --> 00:07:49,030 S7: know it honestly. It makes you wonder what people who 124 00:07:49,070 --> 00:07:52,040 S7: don't have a church body do. And, you know, some 125 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,040 S7: of your listeners are listening in and they're thinking, well, 126 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,480 S7: I don't have a church. Well, you know, if you don't, 127 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,560 S7: you go through stuff far more alone. And just the support, 128 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,559 S7: the prayer support, the love, the flowers, the meals, I mean, 129 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:09,760 S7: the cards. People still do send handwritten cards. It's amazing. Um, 130 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,160 S7: and so all of that. 131 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,720 S6: Is written out on, on pieces of paper and. 132 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:14,040 S7: Oh, I. 133 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,920 S6: Know kids writing little sending little, um, notes where they 134 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,960 S6: had scribbled flowers and things. Every, every single little thought 135 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,800 S6: and prayer sent our way was a blessing. It really 136 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,320 S6: reminded me that when someone else is going through something 137 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,840 S6: I need, when I say I'm going to pray for you, 138 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,120 S6: I really want to do it because I know what 139 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:35,240 S6: a difference it makes. 140 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,760 S2: So Robert walked through the land of cancer, as Walt 141 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,680 S2: Wangerin put it, with his wife, Bobbie. And God did 142 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,360 S2: something in him during that time that followed him the 143 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:53,090 S2: remainder of his life and informed his own journey later on. 144 00:08:53,490 --> 00:08:57,610 S2: When we return, you'll hear of a surprising engagement as 145 00:08:57,610 --> 00:09:01,690 S2: we continue with Robert Wolgemuth in his own words. Straight 146 00:09:01,690 --> 00:09:17,890 S2: ahead on Moody Radio. The last time I got a 147 00:09:17,890 --> 00:09:21,250 S2: picture from you that you texted me a picture, you 148 00:09:21,250 --> 00:09:26,329 S2: and Nancy were at a cemetery and you were standing 149 00:09:26,330 --> 00:09:28,810 S2: over the cemetery plot. Do you remember that? 150 00:09:29,290 --> 00:09:33,210 S1: Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I'm actually not quite sure why I 151 00:09:33,250 --> 00:09:35,290 S1: sent it to you. Because you're one of the happiest 152 00:09:35,290 --> 00:09:37,490 S1: guys I know. Why would I send you this picture? 153 00:09:37,690 --> 00:09:40,890 S1: Although it's. We're going to talk. We'll talk about this today. 154 00:09:40,890 --> 00:09:45,730 S1: But getting ready for my ultimate death. I have one 155 00:09:45,730 --> 00:09:48,060 S1: less thing that my kids are going to have to 156 00:09:48,059 --> 00:09:52,860 S1: worry about, and that is where to put the box. Um, and, 157 00:09:52,860 --> 00:09:56,260 S1: and actually, this is really cool. So we found a plot. 158 00:09:56,300 --> 00:09:59,100 S1: Nancy and I found a plot in Buchanan, Michigan, which 159 00:09:59,100 --> 00:10:02,700 S1: is about oh, 4 or 5 miles from us, and 160 00:10:02,700 --> 00:10:09,060 S1: we bought four, actually eight plots, really, for four for 161 00:10:09,059 --> 00:10:13,260 S1: four couples that we know and love. And we actually 162 00:10:13,260 --> 00:10:17,059 S1: went out to dinner that night celebrating that we're going 163 00:10:17,100 --> 00:10:20,059 S1: to spend eternity. Our bodies are going to spend eternity 164 00:10:20,100 --> 00:10:22,740 S1: in close proximity to each other. Is that hilarious? You 165 00:10:22,740 --> 00:10:23,980 S1: ever heard of anything like that? 166 00:10:24,660 --> 00:10:27,780 S2: That's Robert Wolgemuth, who was such a frequent guest here 167 00:10:27,780 --> 00:10:30,140 S2: on Chris Fabry Live. I felt I didn't even have 168 00:10:30,140 --> 00:10:34,260 S2: to introduce him. Robert passed away early on Saturday morning 169 00:10:34,260 --> 00:10:36,900 S2: and were letting his life speak to us today through 170 00:10:36,940 --> 00:10:41,100 S2: his own voice. But you've also heard from his first wife, Bobbie, 171 00:10:41,140 --> 00:10:46,300 S2: who died in 2014. And then something happened in 2015. 172 00:10:46,340 --> 00:10:49,030 S2: In May of that year, I had Robert on with 173 00:10:49,030 --> 00:10:53,230 S2: Nancy Lee DeMoss. This was almost 11 years ago, and 174 00:10:53,230 --> 00:10:56,750 S2: they announced their engagement, which was a big surprise and 175 00:10:56,750 --> 00:11:00,429 S2: joy to everyone who knew them. And Robert described a 176 00:11:00,429 --> 00:11:03,470 S2: little of the backstory of the process he went through 177 00:11:03,470 --> 00:11:07,510 S2: with the grief and then deciding to begin a relationship 178 00:11:07,510 --> 00:11:08,430 S2: with Nancy. 179 00:11:09,550 --> 00:11:13,990 S8: I would say that the exit ramp to Bobby's finally 180 00:11:13,990 --> 00:11:16,670 S8: stepping into heaven was a long exit ramp, and I'm 181 00:11:16,710 --> 00:11:20,470 S8: grateful for all of that. But from the very beginning, 182 00:11:20,470 --> 00:11:23,429 S8: after her diagnosis, in fact, this goes way back to 183 00:11:23,470 --> 00:11:26,550 S8: when we were first married. She always said, I want 184 00:11:26,550 --> 00:11:29,390 S8: to die first. I want to go first. I don't 185 00:11:29,390 --> 00:11:31,390 S8: have to live life without you. I'd rather have you 186 00:11:31,390 --> 00:11:35,070 S8: live life without me. And then she would say, and 187 00:11:35,070 --> 00:11:38,830 S8: if I die first, I would. I would want you 188 00:11:38,830 --> 00:11:41,670 S8: to get married. Now, way back when you're first married, 189 00:11:41,670 --> 00:11:44,750 S8: you're thinking, are you saying, honey, why would you say 190 00:11:44,750 --> 00:11:49,030 S8: something like that? Right. Well, after the diagnosis, then she 191 00:11:49,030 --> 00:11:53,750 S8: began talking about that very intentional about saying to me, 192 00:11:54,150 --> 00:11:56,670 S8: I do not want you to wait. I want you 193 00:11:56,670 --> 00:11:59,230 S8: to get married. I want you to get married quickly. 194 00:11:59,270 --> 00:12:02,430 S8: In fact, she she would say, I would, I would say, why? 195 00:12:02,470 --> 00:12:04,910 S8: And she said, well, you know, you're going to work 196 00:12:04,910 --> 00:12:07,150 S8: yourself to death. You're not going to turn the lamps on, 197 00:12:07,190 --> 00:12:10,910 S8: you're not going to fluff the pillows, you're going to 198 00:12:10,910 --> 00:12:13,150 S8: be a hermit. I don't want you to be a hermit. 199 00:12:13,630 --> 00:12:17,589 S8: And she also said that. And this this sounds self-serving, 200 00:12:17,590 --> 00:12:19,790 S8: but this is what she said. I would love another 201 00:12:19,790 --> 00:12:22,070 S8: woman to experience the joy of being married to you. 202 00:12:22,110 --> 00:12:25,670 S8: Now that that's self-serving. But those are the words that 203 00:12:25,670 --> 00:12:31,590 S8: she actually spoke. Well, six weeks after beginning the conversation 204 00:12:31,590 --> 00:12:36,910 S8: with Nancy that actually began in December. And then then 205 00:12:36,950 --> 00:12:42,309 S8: she and I met on February 3rd in Chicago. One 206 00:12:42,309 --> 00:12:44,680 S8: of Bobby's best friends was having lunch with Bobby, and 207 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,920 S8: Bobby said, now you know, Kendall, that I want Robert 208 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,600 S8: to remarry when I die. And she said, yes, Bobby, 209 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,319 S8: I've heard you say that many times. Bobby said, well, 210 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,640 S8: there's one more thing. I want Robert to marry Nancy 211 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:05,480 S8: Lee Dumas. And I learned that six weeks after Nancy 212 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,160 S8: and I had begun corresponding. In fact, I was on 213 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,040 S8: an airplane when I first learned that I was doing 214 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,959 S8: text messaging from my computer on an airplane. And I 215 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,760 S8: texted it to Nancy, and her response was one word 216 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,920 S8: with an exclamation point, she wrote, wow. 217 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:25,240 S9: That's the same thing. I said that that is just 218 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:30,480 S9: and wasn't. I read something there was something about, was 219 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,720 S9: it Bobby's brother that was involved in this as well? 220 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,480 S8: No. Nancy's brother, Nancy, Nancy's brother. I was in a 221 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:43,130 S8: meeting with Nancy's brother in December. Mark, whom I've known 222 00:13:43,130 --> 00:13:45,810 S8: for a long time. And and I don't know if 223 00:13:45,809 --> 00:13:49,010 S8: you mentioned this, but but our firm represented Nancy's writing. 224 00:13:49,010 --> 00:13:53,130 S8: We were her literary agent for several years, so I've 225 00:13:53,130 --> 00:13:59,449 S8: known Nancy for ten or more years. So anyway, that's 226 00:13:59,450 --> 00:14:01,410 S8: so I was in a meeting with Mark and had 227 00:14:01,410 --> 00:14:05,050 S8: lunch with him mid-December, and over lunch, just the two 228 00:14:05,050 --> 00:14:07,809 S8: of us, I said, tell me about Nancy Lee. And 229 00:14:07,809 --> 00:14:10,770 S8: he knew why I was asking the question, and we 230 00:14:10,770 --> 00:14:13,170 S8: don't have time to go into the detail. But he 231 00:14:13,490 --> 00:14:14,970 S8: said that he and his wife would be willing to 232 00:14:14,970 --> 00:14:16,690 S8: pray about whether or not he thought it'd be a 233 00:14:16,690 --> 00:14:18,490 S8: good idea for me to contact his sister. And the 234 00:14:18,490 --> 00:14:21,290 S8: next day he texted me and said, my wife and 235 00:14:21,290 --> 00:14:23,770 S8: I have discussed this. We think it would be great 236 00:14:23,770 --> 00:14:26,090 S8: for you to reach out and just see what happens. 237 00:14:26,090 --> 00:14:29,650 S8: So I wrote Nancy Lee an email that day. But 238 00:14:29,650 --> 00:14:32,650 S8: one more thing to add to Bobby's first of all, 239 00:14:32,650 --> 00:14:36,690 S8: this is so unselfish really, that she would not only 240 00:14:36,690 --> 00:14:40,290 S8: be eager for me to remarry, but she would have 241 00:14:40,290 --> 00:14:41,500 S8: somebody in mind? 242 00:14:41,540 --> 00:14:42,020 S9: Yes. 243 00:14:42,060 --> 00:14:46,100 S8: Who she believed would be a great companion. Somebody who 244 00:14:46,100 --> 00:14:49,940 S8: loved God's word. Somebody who loved Jesus with all her heart. 245 00:14:50,660 --> 00:14:51,780 S9: So musical. 246 00:14:52,940 --> 00:14:57,300 S8: Musical. There you go. Yeah. Knows hymns like we talked 247 00:14:57,300 --> 00:15:02,900 S8: about this last night. Anthony, I did, but yesterday. This is. 248 00:15:02,940 --> 00:15:06,980 S8: I'm not making this up. Yesterday morning, I got a 249 00:15:06,980 --> 00:15:10,300 S8: text or an email from a former neighbor, a woman 250 00:15:10,300 --> 00:15:13,060 S8: who was one of Bobby's closest friends. She's moved since 251 00:15:13,380 --> 00:15:16,420 S8: they walked a lot around the block, around the neighborhood, 252 00:15:16,420 --> 00:15:20,540 S8: went shopping a lot together. And Peg wrote to me 253 00:15:20,540 --> 00:15:24,020 S8: and she said, Bobby and I talked a lot about 254 00:15:24,060 --> 00:15:26,420 S8: her desire that you remarry. And I just want you 255 00:15:26,420 --> 00:15:29,900 S8: to know that the last time we talked at your house, 256 00:15:30,500 --> 00:15:33,900 S8: she said, I would like for Robert to marry Nancy 257 00:15:33,900 --> 00:15:38,540 S8: Lee DeMoss. That was yesterday that I learned that. So 258 00:15:38,820 --> 00:15:42,270 S8: it's just this is if we had three hours, maybe 259 00:15:42,310 --> 00:15:46,790 S8: we'd fill that time up telling you about really the wonderful, 260 00:15:46,790 --> 00:15:49,590 S8: gracious things the Lord has done along the way on 261 00:15:49,590 --> 00:15:50,310 S8: this journey. 262 00:15:54,470 --> 00:15:57,310 S2: It's a tall order, though. What you're talking about here 263 00:15:57,310 --> 00:16:01,990 S2: today to explain the providence of God. I mean, in 264 00:16:02,030 --> 00:16:04,350 S2: 224 pages. Can you do that? 265 00:16:05,710 --> 00:16:07,870 S10: You can't do it justice for sure. You can't, but 266 00:16:07,870 --> 00:16:09,950 S10: you certainly can take a peek at it. And, you know, 267 00:16:09,950 --> 00:16:12,150 S10: you just think about that word providence. It's not a 268 00:16:12,150 --> 00:16:17,190 S10: word that's used very often in books today, but the 269 00:16:17,190 --> 00:16:22,470 S10: word you see the word video in there, pro providence. 270 00:16:22,670 --> 00:16:27,190 S10: It's it's God who looks ahead. He sees ahead. He's 271 00:16:27,190 --> 00:16:30,190 S10: taking a video. He's making a video, and he goes 272 00:16:30,190 --> 00:16:34,350 S10: before to meet our needs before we even get to 273 00:16:34,390 --> 00:16:37,030 S10: that story that he is writing in our lives. And 274 00:16:37,070 --> 00:16:42,320 S10: so it's a really Encouraging theological concept that I don't 275 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,520 S10: know how people live without a sense that God knows 276 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,840 S10: everything that is going to happen in my life. He 277 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,360 S10: is writing a story in our lives, and he's already 278 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,560 S10: made provision in advance for what we're going to need 279 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:55,400 S10: when we get there. 280 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,520 S1: Remember the old song if We Could See beyond today 281 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:00,400 S1: as God can see? 282 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:01,240 S10: I don't know that song. 283 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,240 S1: Really. If all the clouds would roll away, the shadows flee. 284 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,359 S1: You don't know this, Chris. Do you know this song? 285 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,320 S2: No, I've not heard that before. At least not this version. 286 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,119 S1: Yeah, and not sung so beautifully. 287 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,640 S2: So you're doing great. You're doing great. What's the title 288 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:16,359 S2: of the song? 289 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,560 S1: If we could see beyond today. 290 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,240 S2: Okay, I'll look it up while you're singing it. Good. 291 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,199 S2: But the hard part is. The hard part is when 292 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,400 S2: you know I can believe in God's providence. For if 293 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,760 S2: I'm Joseph, I can believe in God's providence for becoming 294 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,639 S2: the king over and not king, but, you know, leader. 295 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:41,690 S2: And then saving my family when I'm in jail, unjustly accused, 296 00:17:41,690 --> 00:17:44,810 S2: or I'm in the pit with my brothers, you know, 297 00:17:45,130 --> 00:17:48,050 S2: making the blood on the on the coat. It's a 298 00:17:48,050 --> 00:17:51,050 S2: little hard to see that part, right? 299 00:17:51,250 --> 00:17:54,450 S1: Yes. It's the difference between the windshield and the rear 300 00:17:54,490 --> 00:17:58,649 S1: view mirror. You know, you're looking at the windshield. Nancy 301 00:17:58,650 --> 00:18:00,770 S1: and I were driving through northern Michigan a couple of 302 00:18:00,770 --> 00:18:05,010 S1: weeks ago, and this. I sort of counted them. 65 303 00:18:05,050 --> 00:18:10,170 S1: bugs hit our windshield simultaneously. It was like it scared us. Bugs? No, seriously. 304 00:18:10,210 --> 00:18:11,370 S10: It was a horde of them. 305 00:18:11,410 --> 00:18:11,810 S1: It was a. 306 00:18:11,810 --> 00:18:12,609 S10: Swarm of them. 307 00:18:12,650 --> 00:18:15,169 S1: But you don't know that's coming. It just surprises you. 308 00:18:15,170 --> 00:18:17,649 S1: That's the windshield. But then you look in the rear 309 00:18:17,690 --> 00:18:19,930 S1: view mirror and you can see what happened. And you 310 00:18:19,930 --> 00:18:25,690 S1: get a better perspective that way. So trusting God means saying, 311 00:18:25,690 --> 00:18:28,530 S1: I don't know what's up ahead, but I trust that 312 00:18:28,570 --> 00:18:32,050 S1: whatever it is that you're trustworthy and at the end 313 00:18:32,050 --> 00:18:34,090 S1: of the day, will be grateful for what you've brought. 314 00:18:34,130 --> 00:18:34,610 S10: Yes. 315 00:18:35,490 --> 00:18:39,580 S2: Well, what you're talking about is do I. The mystery 316 00:18:39,580 --> 00:18:43,540 S2: of life. And do I trust. Do I really trust 317 00:18:43,540 --> 00:18:46,660 S2: God in the middle? And I just pulled up the lyrics. 318 00:18:46,940 --> 00:18:49,060 S2: If we could see beyond today. As God can see. 319 00:18:49,100 --> 00:18:51,620 S2: If all the clouds would roll away. The shadows flee. 320 00:18:51,660 --> 00:18:57,180 S2: Or present griefs. We would not fret. Each sorrow we 321 00:18:57,180 --> 00:19:01,100 S2: would soon forget. For many joys are waiting. Yet for 322 00:19:01,100 --> 00:19:03,700 S2: you and me. And, uh, one of the versions, George 323 00:19:03,700 --> 00:19:05,820 S2: Beverly Shea sang that song. 324 00:19:06,100 --> 00:19:07,220 S10: I can just hear that. 325 00:19:07,260 --> 00:19:10,820 S1: Yeah, yeah. That's great. So actually, driving into work. And, 326 00:19:10,859 --> 00:19:13,180 S1: you know, I love metaphors. I've been a Sunday school 327 00:19:13,180 --> 00:19:17,300 S1: teacher for 50 years, so I love metaphors. So this morning, 328 00:19:17,300 --> 00:19:20,300 S1: driving in Nancy, I thought of another one. We walk 329 00:19:20,300 --> 00:19:24,580 S1: around with these smartphones in our hands and everybody has one. 330 00:19:25,060 --> 00:19:27,820 S1: So if you want to use GPS, you pull up 331 00:19:27,820 --> 00:19:31,500 S1: a map. And what you're looking at is, you know what, 332 00:19:31,540 --> 00:19:36,230 S1: two inches by 3.5in square or a rectangle. But the 333 00:19:36,230 --> 00:19:40,390 S1: real map is massive. I mean, it's coast to coast. 334 00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:44,110 S1: It's worldwide. You're only seeing this little piece of it, 335 00:19:44,550 --> 00:19:47,350 S1: but God sees the whole thing and realizes that you're 336 00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:51,310 S1: only in this little spot, in this moment. But he 337 00:19:51,310 --> 00:19:53,550 S1: can be trusted with a great big picture, even though 338 00:19:53,550 --> 00:19:55,710 S1: we only see what we hold in our hands. 339 00:19:55,710 --> 00:19:57,669 S10: We only see this spot in this moment, and we 340 00:19:57,670 --> 00:20:00,950 S10: only see this moment in the continuum of history. So 341 00:20:01,190 --> 00:20:04,710 S10: we we can't see forward. Someone has said that if 342 00:20:04,750 --> 00:20:08,110 S10: we could see what God sees and know what he knows, 343 00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:13,869 S10: we would say he's done it exactly right. That's exactly 344 00:20:13,869 --> 00:20:15,790 S10: what he should have done. And one day we will 345 00:20:15,790 --> 00:20:20,070 S10: have that rear window, rear mirror vision. And we will 346 00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:21,510 S10: see and we will know. But when you're in the 347 00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:24,510 S10: middle of it and you're, you know, you're slammed with 348 00:20:24,550 --> 00:20:29,350 S10: grief and turmoil and storms and, and we all go 349 00:20:29,350 --> 00:20:32,590 S10: through seasons like that. And sometimes those seasons are long. 350 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,920 S10: But if we could see what God sees and know 351 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,760 S10: what God knows, we would say, God, you know what 352 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,720 S10: you're doing. You're writing a story, and in the end, 353 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,200 S10: it's going to be good. 354 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,960 S2: I think a lot of Christians, yours truly included. I 355 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,800 S2: have called faith being able to understand what God is doing, 356 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,400 S2: you know, at this point of my life. Oh, I 357 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,520 S2: got into this car accident because the tow truck driver 358 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,040 S2: needed to hear the gospel or, you know, and I've 359 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,920 S2: I've fit all of the bad stuff in and tried 360 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,520 S2: to put the pieces together where I can understand it. 361 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,600 S2: And what I've come to believe is that's not the 362 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,480 S2: kind of faith that God wants me to exercise. Uh, 363 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:21,720 S2: emote on that. 364 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:26,000 S10: One of my favorite all time quotes is by John Piper. 365 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:27,680 S10: I heard him say this years ago, and I've shared 366 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,800 S10: this with so many people who are in the middle 367 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,050 S10: of a hard place. And he said, in every situation 368 00:21:33,050 --> 00:21:37,290 S10: in our lives, God is always doing a thousand different 369 00:21:37,290 --> 00:21:40,810 S10: things that we cannot see and we do not know. 370 00:21:41,170 --> 00:21:42,649 S10: And he went on and he explained that, you know, 371 00:21:42,690 --> 00:21:44,290 S10: sometimes you can look and you can say, oh, I 372 00:21:44,290 --> 00:21:47,170 S10: can see God's doing this or this or this in 373 00:21:47,170 --> 00:21:50,130 S10: my story. But he says, God's doing a thousand things 374 00:21:50,290 --> 00:21:52,930 S10: that you can't see and you don't know. And that's 375 00:21:52,930 --> 00:21:57,090 S10: where faith comes in. Not the requirement that it makes 376 00:21:57,090 --> 00:22:01,290 S10: sense to me now, but the confidence that it makes 377 00:22:01,290 --> 00:22:05,170 S10: sense to God now who is good and he is faithful. 378 00:22:05,170 --> 00:22:09,170 S10: And that in time, in God's time, it will make 379 00:22:09,210 --> 00:22:10,130 S10: sense to me. 380 00:22:10,490 --> 00:22:13,690 S1: Most of the people we've we we talked to in 381 00:22:13,730 --> 00:22:18,330 S1: writing this book, Chris, aren't at the conclusion. They're still 382 00:22:18,330 --> 00:22:21,650 S1: in the process. So their prodigal is still prodigal. 383 00:22:21,690 --> 00:22:22,010 S10: Yeah. 384 00:22:22,050 --> 00:22:25,250 S1: It's messy. Their marriage is still struggling. And we did 385 00:22:25,250 --> 00:22:28,290 S1: that on purpose. You know, their their health is still 386 00:22:28,290 --> 00:22:33,340 S1: failing because we are somewhere. Kierkegaard is right. Somewhere in between. 387 00:22:33,859 --> 00:22:36,140 S1: And so trusting God really means that at the end 388 00:22:36,140 --> 00:22:38,060 S1: of the day, and literally at the end of the day, 389 00:22:38,220 --> 00:22:40,419 S1: we'll look back and say he knew exactly what he 390 00:22:40,420 --> 00:22:41,340 S1: was doing. Yeah. 391 00:22:41,619 --> 00:22:44,300 S10: And part of this whole faith thing is just humbly 392 00:22:44,300 --> 00:22:47,540 S10: acknowledging I am not God, and I don't know what 393 00:22:47,580 --> 00:22:49,739 S10: God's doing, and I don't know why he's doing it, 394 00:22:49,740 --> 00:22:52,940 S10: and I don't have to know. But realizing that I 395 00:22:52,940 --> 00:22:55,619 S10: can trust him not only to write my own story, 396 00:22:56,060 --> 00:22:58,419 S10: but I can also trust him to write the story 397 00:22:58,619 --> 00:23:01,780 S10: of people I love, people who have wronged me, people 398 00:23:01,780 --> 00:23:05,260 S10: who have wrecked my story. I can trust that in 399 00:23:05,260 --> 00:23:09,139 S10: God's way. And this is the mystery of providence, and 400 00:23:09,140 --> 00:23:12,980 S10: you can't resist it. You can't resent it. Well, you can, 401 00:23:12,980 --> 00:23:15,780 S10: but you can't be happy that way. The joy comes 402 00:23:15,780 --> 00:23:20,420 S10: from embracing the mystery of providence and saying, I can 403 00:23:20,420 --> 00:23:23,380 S10: embrace it because I embrace God and I know that 404 00:23:23,380 --> 00:23:27,700 S10: he is trustworthy. He has proven himself to be throughout history. 405 00:23:27,740 --> 00:23:31,470 S10: He's never failed someone, anyone yet. And I'm not going 406 00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:33,550 S10: to be the first one. I don't have to know 407 00:23:33,550 --> 00:23:35,629 S10: the answer. I don't have to have the explanation. I 408 00:23:35,630 --> 00:23:37,830 S10: don't have to see how it's going to end. I 409 00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:39,750 S10: have to trust that it's going to end in a 410 00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:43,070 S10: way that is going to glorify God and be a 411 00:23:43,070 --> 00:23:47,790 S10: part of that good, grand, redemptive story that he is 412 00:23:47,790 --> 00:23:49,550 S10: writing that is way bigger than my story. 413 00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:52,389 S1: And that's a decision that you make. Every life change 414 00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:56,389 S1: begins with a single decision. And so you say, I 415 00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:58,950 S1: don't feel like it. I don't want to. I've got 416 00:23:58,950 --> 00:24:01,950 S1: people who are pushing against me and saying, don't go there, 417 00:24:02,430 --> 00:24:03,909 S1: but I'm going to take a deep breath and I'm 418 00:24:03,910 --> 00:24:06,430 S1: going to say, Lord Jesus, I'm going to trust you. 419 00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:09,510 S10: We were with a couple at lunch the other day 420 00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:14,510 S10: who he's been diagnosed with stage three cancer, and this 421 00:24:14,510 --> 00:24:17,510 S10: man was just so tender and his eyes filled with tears. 422 00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:19,670 S10: And as he and his wife were just talking about 423 00:24:19,670 --> 00:24:22,669 S10: this journey they're on, it's not the script they would 424 00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:26,910 S10: have chosen. But one day at a time, one moment 425 00:24:26,910 --> 00:24:30,560 S10: at a time, one choice at a time, saying, Lord, 426 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,440 S10: we don't get this, but we trust you that you 427 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,520 S10: are writing this story. 428 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,640 S1: I just looked again at the subtitle, Embracing the Mysteries 429 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,440 S1: of God's Providence really means it. It means embracing the 430 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:44,400 S1: I don't know. 431 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:45,200 S10: Mhm. 432 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,760 S1: And you know, I love to know. I don't like 433 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,600 S1: to not know. I like to have answers. I prefer 434 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:56,800 S1: answers to questions. But believing and embracing the providence of 435 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,120 S1: God means that I have to embrace the I don't 436 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,560 S1: know answer when. I'd rather say, oh, here's why. Go 437 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,280 S1: to this Bible verse or whatever, and you'll figure this out. 438 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,119 S1: Sometimes the answer is I don't know. 439 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,280 S2: And what Robert Wolgemuth said right there echoes in my 440 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,879 S2: own heart today. I thought he'd never die. He had 441 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,320 S2: so much energy, so much joy in life. Why would 442 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,320 S2: God allow him to die at 77? That's young. I 443 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,890 S2: don't know. But he and Nancy are calling us to 444 00:25:28,930 --> 00:25:32,290 S2: trust in the God who would go this far to 445 00:25:32,330 --> 00:25:35,770 S2: redeem us. He would give his one and only son 446 00:25:36,050 --> 00:25:41,490 S2: for our redemption. We're celebrating the life of Robert Wolgemuth today. 447 00:25:41,490 --> 00:25:46,170 S2: He died early last Saturday morning. Who is Robert? What 448 00:25:46,170 --> 00:25:49,330 S2: was he all about? Don't miss our next segment Straight 449 00:25:49,330 --> 00:25:51,250 S2: ahead on Chris Fabry Live. 450 00:26:04,650 --> 00:26:07,010 S1: So I'm sitting in my study and I'm looking out 451 00:26:07,010 --> 00:26:10,930 S1: over the Saint Joseph River. And I'm not kidding you. 452 00:26:11,210 --> 00:26:15,570 S1: An eagle, a bald eagle flew past. There are wild 453 00:26:15,570 --> 00:26:19,930 S1: swans on the river. Uh, geese that fly overhead. And 454 00:26:20,290 --> 00:26:25,130 S1: I never thought of myself as being in touch. That 455 00:26:25,130 --> 00:26:27,380 S1: I don't mean to sound weird, but in in touch 456 00:26:27,380 --> 00:26:30,700 S1: with what God has created and the joy and the wonder. 457 00:26:30,740 --> 00:26:33,540 S1: I tell you, I never want to get so old 458 00:26:33,540 --> 00:26:36,300 S1: that I lose the wonder. I want to be. I 459 00:26:36,300 --> 00:26:39,700 S1: want to be overwhelmed by something every day. And I'll 460 00:26:39,700 --> 00:26:42,939 S1: tell you what. Colin Smith, whom you love and know 461 00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:46,260 S1: whom I love and know who did the funerals at 462 00:26:46,260 --> 00:26:50,660 S1: both my mother and dad's funeral services. So I know him. 463 00:26:50,660 --> 00:26:52,219 S1: I love him, but he said this one time, I 464 00:26:52,220 --> 00:26:55,660 S1: wrote it down. I never forgot it. Every life change 465 00:26:55,700 --> 00:27:01,260 S1: begins with a single decision. So, you know, you and 466 00:27:01,260 --> 00:27:03,380 S1: I look at the future and say, oh, so many 467 00:27:03,380 --> 00:27:05,460 S1: options and what am I going to do? And my 468 00:27:05,460 --> 00:27:08,659 S1: body's failing me. And so then make a decision to 469 00:27:08,700 --> 00:27:12,620 S1: do something, something something different. Uh, read a book. Write 470 00:27:12,660 --> 00:27:17,740 S1: a book. So. And I'm not boasting. I'm. I'm just 471 00:27:17,780 --> 00:27:21,139 S1: I'm a I'm such an ordinary man. It overwhelms me, really, 472 00:27:21,140 --> 00:27:23,660 S1: that you'd care about calling me and having me talk 473 00:27:23,660 --> 00:27:26,389 S1: to your friends on the on the radio or the 474 00:27:26,390 --> 00:27:29,510 S1: internet today I am I'm overwhelmed by that. But I 475 00:27:29,550 --> 00:27:31,750 S1: want to live in wonder. I want to be overwhelmed 476 00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:34,670 S1: by stuff. I want to be grateful. You know, there 477 00:27:34,670 --> 00:27:40,150 S1: are so many opportunities to be grateful, you know? Seriously. 478 00:27:40,190 --> 00:27:43,550 S1: In fact, I just ordered more note cards with my 479 00:27:43,550 --> 00:27:45,870 S1: name at the top and my return address on the back, 480 00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:49,190 S1: and I ordered more than I probably can use before 481 00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:51,110 S1: I go to heaven, but I want to use them up. 482 00:27:51,109 --> 00:27:53,909 S1: I want people to know that I'm grateful for them 483 00:27:53,910 --> 00:27:57,030 S1: and that that you might live in a city so 484 00:27:57,030 --> 00:27:59,190 S1: you're not looking at the Saint Joseph River and seeing 485 00:27:59,190 --> 00:28:02,110 S1: eagles fly by. But there are people who are serving 486 00:28:02,109 --> 00:28:04,310 S1: you who are kind to you. You go into a 487 00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:07,150 S1: store and the clerk waits on you, and you look 488 00:28:07,150 --> 00:28:09,430 S1: them square in the eye and say, thank you so 489 00:28:09,790 --> 00:28:13,870 S1: much for your kindness. People are desperate for that kind 490 00:28:13,869 --> 00:28:16,270 S1: of thing, and you can be the conduit of God's 491 00:28:16,270 --> 00:28:20,510 S1: love to them because you too are an ordinary person. 492 00:28:20,550 --> 00:28:23,880 S1: You know you and I are sinners saved by grace. 493 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,120 S1: What an amazing concept at our age to really fully embrace. 494 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,040 S1: And I want to be that guy. I want to be. 495 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,840 S1: I want to be a guy that when he finishes 496 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,760 S1: an email to somebody, he says, I love you. I'm 497 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,720 S1: serious and and love you. Guy doesn't work. I'm sorry. 498 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,080 S1: I'm old school, but I love you. Say it. 499 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,240 S2: This is Chris Fabry live. And that's from a conversation 500 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:53,480 S2: with Robert Wolgemuth in 2023. Robert died early Saturday morning, 501 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,080 S2: and I wanted you to hear his voice today, to 502 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,600 S2: process his passing by hearing what he believed, how he lived, 503 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,960 S2: how he treated people, how open he was to God 504 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,600 S2: at work in his life, the centrality and the importance 505 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,320 S2: of the Bible to everything he did, everything he said. 506 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,520 S2: There was one conversation we had where he talked about 507 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,200 S2: not leaving any secrets behind for someone to find after 508 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,450 S2: you die. To be totally transparent. That's how he lived 509 00:29:22,450 --> 00:29:28,010 S2: and encouraged us to live. This next excerpt shows something. 510 00:29:28,010 --> 00:29:31,530 S2: It was what I call a holy moment during that 511 00:29:31,530 --> 00:29:36,010 S2: same program. Something happened in this exchange that you can't force, 512 00:29:36,010 --> 00:29:39,810 S2: you can't program. And maybe you're like our caller today. 513 00:29:39,810 --> 00:29:42,930 S2: His name was John, and he admitted that he had 514 00:29:43,010 --> 00:29:47,090 S2: turned into a crotchety old man. And John said, I 515 00:29:47,090 --> 00:29:49,810 S2: don't want to live this way. But he was stuck 516 00:29:49,930 --> 00:29:53,530 S2: for several reasons. I want you to hear the patience, 517 00:29:53,570 --> 00:29:59,090 S2: the care, the concern, the compassion, the love that Robert showed. 518 00:29:59,650 --> 00:30:02,890 S2: And listen to the way Robert pivots from talking with 519 00:30:02,890 --> 00:30:07,450 S2: John to talking with Jesus. Maybe you need to hear 520 00:30:07,450 --> 00:30:08,930 S2: Robert's words today. 521 00:30:09,970 --> 00:30:16,250 S11: About a year after I retired. Uh, my oldest and 522 00:30:16,250 --> 00:30:19,850 S11: my four kids. We all live locally. Um, the oldest 523 00:30:19,850 --> 00:30:26,860 S11: of my four children. Um, he, uh, it's one of 524 00:30:26,860 --> 00:30:31,780 S11: those stories where, you know, somebody complains of of of 525 00:30:31,820 --> 00:30:35,780 S11: a headache, and it gets worse and worse. And it 526 00:30:35,780 --> 00:30:45,580 S11: was diagnosed as a as a brain cancer. And unlike me, 527 00:30:45,860 --> 00:30:52,620 S11: my son fought valiantly and battled that stuff. And with 528 00:30:52,620 --> 00:30:54,780 S11: his wife by his side and, you know, my two 529 00:30:54,780 --> 00:30:58,060 S11: little grandchildren that were five and five and three at 530 00:30:58,060 --> 00:31:04,420 S11: the time, they're eight and six now. And, um, you know, 531 00:31:04,460 --> 00:31:07,500 S11: I'm involved in their lives. You know, that's one of 532 00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:11,780 S11: the things that you you know, John battled that stuff 533 00:31:11,780 --> 00:31:16,780 S11: for 20 months. It was horrible. But, you know, John 534 00:31:16,780 --> 00:31:20,990 S11: was a Christian, which is like, if I didn't know that? 535 00:31:21,510 --> 00:31:25,390 S11: That's the only thing that would have absolutely something I 536 00:31:25,390 --> 00:31:29,670 S11: couldn't have. Couldn't have known. But that's another story. He 537 00:31:29,670 --> 00:31:31,030 S11: was a Christian, and. 538 00:31:31,070 --> 00:31:32,750 S9: That hope changes the. 539 00:31:32,750 --> 00:31:36,750 S2: Equation a little bit, John. But I'm hearing and I think, Robert, 540 00:31:36,750 --> 00:31:40,270 S2: you're hearing the same thing that I am. I'm hearing this. 541 00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:44,230 S2: The first thing you said was, I'm turning into this 542 00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:47,390 S2: and I don't want to be right. And so Robert 543 00:31:47,390 --> 00:31:49,590 S2: and I are not here giving you three steps and, 544 00:31:49,630 --> 00:31:53,030 S2: you know, a poem and then, uh, you know, say goodbye. 545 00:31:53,630 --> 00:31:56,030 S2: But I want to hear what's rolling around Robert's heart 546 00:31:56,030 --> 00:31:57,750 S2: before I say anything. Robert. 547 00:31:58,070 --> 00:32:00,750 S1: Well, John, I'm so glad you called. I'm glad you 548 00:32:00,750 --> 00:32:04,630 S1: got through. I love you. We'll spend eternity together. I'm 549 00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:08,630 S1: so sorry for your loss. I lost Bobby after almost 550 00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:11,670 S1: 45 years of marriage, sitting next to her the moment 551 00:32:11,670 --> 00:32:16,510 S1: she stepped into heaven. John, um, I'm going to ask 552 00:32:16,510 --> 00:32:20,560 S1: you to repeat after me. This is Isaiah 4110 and 553 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,200 S1: I want you to repeat after me phrase by phrase. 554 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,800 S1: This is God's word for Chris, for John, and for Robert. 555 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,240 S1: Do not fear. 556 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,280 S11: Do not fear. 557 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,920 S1: I am with you. 558 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,520 S11: I am with you. 559 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,000 S1: Do not be dismayed. 560 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,560 S11: Do not be dismayed. 561 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,240 S1: For I am your God. 562 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,320 S11: For I am your God. 563 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,120 S1: Now listen to this, John. This is for you. I 564 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,400 S1: will strengthen you. 565 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,520 S11: I will strengthen you. 566 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,160 S1: And help you. 567 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:57,880 S11: And help you. 568 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,000 S1: I will uphold you. 569 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,560 S11: I will uphold you. 570 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,680 S1: With my righteous right hand. 571 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,440 S11: With my righteous right hand. 572 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,720 S1: That that is God's promise to you in your situation, 573 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:20,450 S1: in your grief. Um, the terror of having to face 574 00:33:20,450 --> 00:33:22,690 S1: that and then live with that after your son is 575 00:33:22,690 --> 00:33:26,850 S1: gone is indescribable. There are so many listening on the 576 00:33:26,850 --> 00:33:30,170 S1: radio right now that are saying they're reaching out to you, John. 577 00:33:30,170 --> 00:33:33,130 S1: They're like, just imagine all of us reaching our hand 578 00:33:33,130 --> 00:33:37,010 S1: in your direction and saying those words from God's holy 579 00:33:37,010 --> 00:33:41,890 S1: word over you, that that that's all true stuff. It's 580 00:33:41,890 --> 00:33:45,410 S1: all real. Those are God's words to you and to 581 00:33:45,450 --> 00:33:48,850 S1: me and to Chris and to Ryan, the engineer, and 582 00:33:48,850 --> 00:33:51,730 S1: to fill the engineer. All these guys, this this is 583 00:33:51,730 --> 00:33:55,930 S1: God's word. It's truth. And hang on to that. Don't 584 00:33:55,930 --> 00:33:58,650 S1: let that get too far away from you, and just 585 00:33:58,650 --> 00:34:00,930 S1: know that there are people all over the world listening 586 00:34:00,930 --> 00:34:03,610 S1: to this who are saying, Lord Jesus, be with John 587 00:34:03,610 --> 00:34:07,610 S1: right now. Be his, be enough for him. Uh, encourage 588 00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:11,730 S1: his heart sending people who will speak kind words to him. Um, 589 00:34:12,210 --> 00:34:15,339 S1: give give him hope for the future, uh, the years 590 00:34:15,340 --> 00:34:17,859 S1: that he has left. Thank you for your word. Thank 591 00:34:17,860 --> 00:34:21,940 S1: you for your Holy Spirit. Who's. He's the Holy Spirit 592 00:34:21,940 --> 00:34:24,739 S1: is with John as much as you were with your 593 00:34:24,739 --> 00:34:28,980 S1: disciples in the upper room. Just imagine that. So thank you, father. 594 00:34:28,980 --> 00:34:31,939 S1: We love you. We are so grateful for you. And 595 00:34:31,940 --> 00:34:32,740 S1: thank you, John. 596 00:34:32,780 --> 00:34:35,140 S12: Yes. Jesus. Yes, yes. Thank you. 597 00:34:38,420 --> 00:34:41,220 S2: Did you hear that? If you were to ask me, 598 00:34:41,380 --> 00:34:44,780 S2: tell me who Robert Wolgemuth was. If you said boil 599 00:34:44,780 --> 00:34:46,980 S2: him down to his essence, I wouldn't point you to 600 00:34:47,020 --> 00:34:49,620 S2: his resume. The best sellers. He wrote the books. He 601 00:34:49,660 --> 00:34:54,460 S2: helped others publish the awards. The honorary doctorate from Taylor University, 602 00:34:54,460 --> 00:34:57,660 S2: all the important people he knew. I would point you 603 00:34:57,660 --> 00:35:00,900 S2: to that conversation with John, and the way he led 604 00:35:00,900 --> 00:35:04,739 S2: him to the kind of hope that God had given him, 605 00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:08,580 S2: and how easy it seemed for him to do that. 606 00:35:08,780 --> 00:35:13,620 S2: That's who Robert Wolgemuth was. He also took his own advice, 607 00:35:13,820 --> 00:35:16,540 S2: and he said, I love you. Did you hear that? 608 00:35:17,340 --> 00:35:19,980 S2: There's more to come. In our final segment of this tribute, 609 00:35:19,980 --> 00:35:24,060 S2: Robert Wolgemuth in his own words. More straight ahead on 610 00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:39,380 S2: Moody Radio. Robert Wolgemuth in his own words. We're remembering 611 00:35:39,380 --> 00:35:42,500 S2: Robert today on Chris Fabry Live. He died on Saturday. 612 00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:45,500 S2: He was 77. And when she's ready, I want to 613 00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:48,660 S2: have Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth join us to talk more about 614 00:35:48,660 --> 00:35:52,100 S2: what God has done and continues to do through Robert's 615 00:35:52,140 --> 00:35:55,540 S2: life and his love of God's Word, his love for 616 00:35:55,540 --> 00:35:58,940 S2: the people God put in his life. Pray for Nancy. 617 00:35:58,940 --> 00:36:01,660 S2: Pray for the family, for those who are feeling this 618 00:36:01,660 --> 00:36:06,900 S2: huge loss so deeply. In March of 2023, Robert joined 619 00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:09,779 S2: me to talk about his book Finish Line. He wrote 620 00:36:09,780 --> 00:36:13,390 S2: a number of books for men, including lies, Men believe 621 00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:17,390 S2: the men's daily Bible like the shepherd leading your marriage 622 00:36:17,390 --> 00:36:20,950 S2: with love and grace, gun, lap and many others. But 623 00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:25,029 S2: finish Line was about preparing for the end of life. 624 00:36:25,469 --> 00:36:28,590 S2: So at the end of the program that day, Patrick called. 625 00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:34,350 S13: Robert. Tom. You think the book would resonate with the unsaved? 626 00:36:36,030 --> 00:36:39,310 S1: Absolutely. Let me tell you something that I do, Patrick, 627 00:36:39,310 --> 00:36:42,270 S1: when I write a book, this is a little secret. 628 00:36:42,270 --> 00:36:44,590 S1: Years ago, Tim LaHaye told me this, and I've never 629 00:36:44,590 --> 00:36:47,990 S1: forgotten it. I've shared it with many people. A book 630 00:36:47,989 --> 00:36:52,549 S1: is a long letter to one person. A book is 631 00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:54,670 S1: a long. So when you read the book and it says, 632 00:36:54,670 --> 00:36:56,710 S1: now most of you, that person did not have a 633 00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:59,390 S1: good editor because people read books one at a time. 634 00:37:00,070 --> 00:37:04,390 S1: And so, uh, I had a man in mind when 635 00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:07,190 S1: I wrote this book. I could give you his name. 636 00:37:07,469 --> 00:37:10,589 S1: I know him very well. He doesn't know Christ. I 637 00:37:10,590 --> 00:37:14,560 S1: wrote the whole book for him. So in writing, you know, 638 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,280 S1: I would I would kind of pretend that I'm looking 639 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,600 S1: into the face of this man. And if he's got like, 640 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,960 S1: this quizzical look on his face or if he's frowning 641 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,560 S1: or whatever, I, I step back and take another run 642 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,960 S1: at that sentence. I want him to understand there are 643 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:35,040 S1: no cliches. It's absolutely in plain English. So the person 644 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,680 S1: you're talking about is exactly the person who I had 645 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,480 S1: in mind when I was writing this book. 646 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,120 S2: Has he read it yet? 647 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,360 S1: I yes. I, I gave him a copy three days ago. 648 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:49,560 S2: Really? 649 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,840 S1: And yeah, I did, I did, and I haven't told 650 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,239 S1: him we actually have dinner scheduled in next week, actually. 651 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,279 S1: And at dinner, I will tell him that I wrote 652 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,480 S1: this whole book for him. 653 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,920 S2: Wow. Can't wait to hear his response to that. 654 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,960 S1: Uh, yeah, I hope I hope he doesn't throw something 655 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,930 S1: at me because, I mean, he really is lost. He 656 00:38:10,930 --> 00:38:11,450 S1: doesn't know that. 657 00:38:11,530 --> 00:38:12,930 S9: You don't control. 658 00:38:12,930 --> 00:38:15,090 S2: That, though. You know, that's the. That's the thing. 659 00:38:15,290 --> 00:38:16,650 S9: You can't. You just have to be. 660 00:38:16,650 --> 00:38:21,770 S2: Faithful with being kind and considerate and and truthful at 661 00:38:21,770 --> 00:38:22,969 S2: the same time, right? 662 00:38:23,370 --> 00:38:26,130 S1: Exactly. Oh, yeah. That is love, right? To speak truth 663 00:38:26,130 --> 00:38:28,649 S1: in love. Yeah. There it is. How do you. 664 00:38:28,690 --> 00:38:33,370 S2: Prepare your loved ones for this? Because Katie asked this 665 00:38:33,370 --> 00:38:37,650 S2: a little earlier. Um, is there a way, you know, 666 00:38:37,690 --> 00:38:39,969 S2: because you have your own fears, but then you have 667 00:38:39,969 --> 00:38:44,009 S2: your family that has fears. And even my first question is, 668 00:38:44,010 --> 00:38:46,850 S2: is there something you're not telling me, you know? Well, 669 00:38:46,890 --> 00:38:49,250 S2: how do you help your family members? 670 00:38:50,250 --> 00:38:52,730 S1: Well, I think I think really that is the message 671 00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:56,009 S1: of this book that a you get ready and B, 672 00:38:56,050 --> 00:39:00,330 S1: you have the confidence, the confident assurance that you will 673 00:39:00,330 --> 00:39:04,650 S1: spend eternity with Jesus in heaven. So I tell the 674 00:39:04,650 --> 00:39:09,060 S1: story of Rick Hansen, a quadrant know a A paraplegic, 675 00:39:09,060 --> 00:39:12,860 S1: broke his neck as a young man, Canadian and on 676 00:39:12,860 --> 00:39:17,259 S1: a wheelchair. He rode 26,000 miles, the same number of 677 00:39:17,260 --> 00:39:20,420 S1: miles as the circumference of the Earth. And when he 678 00:39:20,420 --> 00:39:25,819 S1: finished that run, that amazing journey, he actually finished at 679 00:39:25,820 --> 00:39:30,540 S1: a stadium with 50,000 people in in Vancouver, British Columbia. 680 00:39:31,260 --> 00:39:34,740 S1: And just just imagine the cacophony of sound as Rick 681 00:39:34,739 --> 00:39:41,700 S1: Hansen wheeled into this huge stadium, 50,000 people screaming, yelling 682 00:39:41,940 --> 00:39:46,220 S1: his welcome. That's heaven. In fact, I know something about you, Chris. 683 00:39:46,219 --> 00:39:48,100 S1: I know that you're a Cubs fan. I know that 684 00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:52,060 S1: I'm a Cubs fan, and I tell a story about 685 00:39:52,060 --> 00:39:56,540 S1: David Bodie in the book. I wanted to use the picture, 686 00:39:56,540 --> 00:39:57,020 S1: but the. 687 00:39:57,060 --> 00:39:57,580 S9: Yes. 688 00:39:57,780 --> 00:40:00,620 S1: The person who took the picture wasn't wasn't willing to 689 00:40:00,620 --> 00:40:03,180 S1: part with it without me taking a second mortgage out 690 00:40:03,219 --> 00:40:07,390 S1: on my home. So. David. Bodie. Now, listen, David Bodie 691 00:40:07,390 --> 00:40:09,830 S1: is a rookie. This is the dream. This is every 692 00:40:09,830 --> 00:40:11,950 S1: little boy in his backyard, right? Throwing a ball up 693 00:40:11,950 --> 00:40:15,830 S1: and hitting it. David Bodie came in as a pinch 694 00:40:15,830 --> 00:40:19,790 S1: hitter in the the the, uh, the bottom of the 695 00:40:19,790 --> 00:40:24,110 S1: ninth inning. The Cubs were down three runs. The bases. 696 00:40:24,110 --> 00:40:27,830 S1: This is it. The bases were loaded, and David Bodie 697 00:40:27,870 --> 00:40:32,030 S1: hits a walk off grand slam. Home run. Now, if 698 00:40:32,070 --> 00:40:35,270 S1: if you go to YouTube, just go. You don't have 699 00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:38,150 S1: to even go to YouTube. Just just go to Google. 700 00:40:38,430 --> 00:40:41,750 S1: David Bodie b o d e I think it's b 701 00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:42,350 S1: o d. 702 00:40:42,590 --> 00:40:43,549 S2: T e t is it. 703 00:40:43,790 --> 00:40:46,910 S1: T? Thank you b o t e yes. Grand slam 704 00:40:46,910 --> 00:40:49,750 S1: walk off and you'll see a picture that you won't believe. 705 00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:53,270 S1: Chris I'm telling you, the picture is David Bodie rounding 706 00:40:53,310 --> 00:40:58,390 S1: third base and his arms are extended like he's an airplane. Yeah, 707 00:40:58,430 --> 00:41:01,469 S1: he's rounding third base and he's headed home. All of 708 00:41:01,469 --> 00:41:03,750 S1: his teammates are waiting for him. I mean, whoever said 709 00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:06,200 S1: that you're supposed to rip off the poor guy's jersey, 710 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,960 S1: but that that's eventually what they do. But just the 711 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,800 S1: look on his teammates faces and you see the people 712 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,040 S1: in the stands and somebody posted that picture. Listen to me. 713 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:20,040 S1: They posted that picture with one word caption heaven. 714 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:21,080 S2: Hmm. 715 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,960 S1: So when I think of that and I think of 716 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,760 S1: my dad and mom, my grandparents, people that I've known, 717 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:36,160 S1: people who who have stepped into heaven. Bobby, my late 718 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,800 S1: wife of almost 45 years. That makes me smile because 719 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,160 S1: that will be heaven. That is what it will be. 720 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,360 S1: That's what Randy Alcorn was saying when he wrote the endorsement. 721 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,400 S1: That's on the back of the book. He's going to 722 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,680 S1: see Nancy again. That that ought to that ought to 723 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,760 S1: absolutely lift our spirits. Because it's true. 724 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:56,719 S13: Yeah. 725 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,080 S2: Which takes us to Kurt, who will be our last call. Kurt, 726 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,440 S2: what do you want to say to Robert? 727 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:08,250 S14: I remember, Sam and Grace. Sam mentored me. I was 728 00:42:08,250 --> 00:42:11,210 S14: a young man in my 20s, Sam in his 70s. 729 00:42:11,530 --> 00:42:14,770 S14: We would sit in the basement together and he taught 730 00:42:14,770 --> 00:42:17,970 S14: me how to pray. He was a wonderful man of God. 731 00:42:18,489 --> 00:42:18,850 S2: Oh. 732 00:42:20,050 --> 00:42:22,970 S1: What a story. Kurt, I love you. You're my brother 733 00:42:22,969 --> 00:42:25,609 S1: in Christ. You knew my daddy. My dad was Sam. 734 00:42:25,610 --> 00:42:27,569 S1: I don't know if I said his name earlier, but 735 00:42:27,570 --> 00:42:30,450 S1: that's who Kurt is talking about. Thank you. Thank you 736 00:42:30,450 --> 00:42:34,730 S1: for getting through and calling. And. Yeah, he was. He was. Listen, Kurt, 737 00:42:34,730 --> 00:42:37,610 S1: every morning, every morning as I was a little boy, 738 00:42:37,850 --> 00:42:40,930 S1: my my bedroom was close to the basement. And I 739 00:42:40,930 --> 00:42:44,330 S1: would hear my dad every morning. He didn't pray loud 740 00:42:44,330 --> 00:42:46,370 S1: enough that you could hear words. But he had a 741 00:42:46,370 --> 00:42:50,170 S1: very deep voice. And he was praying every morning on 742 00:42:50,170 --> 00:42:53,050 S1: his knees. I knew that that my dad was praying 743 00:42:53,050 --> 00:42:55,649 S1: for us. He was praying for the world, really, that 744 00:42:55,650 --> 00:42:57,970 S1: they would come to know Christ. Kurt, I love you. 745 00:42:58,250 --> 00:43:00,850 S1: Thank you for getting through. What a story. Thank you. 746 00:43:01,250 --> 00:43:03,899 S2: God bless you, friend. Have you, uh, just a couple 747 00:43:03,940 --> 00:43:06,420 S2: of minutes here. Have you picked your pallbearers? 748 00:43:07,460 --> 00:43:10,140 S1: I have, yes, I have. I've asked them six of them. 749 00:43:10,140 --> 00:43:13,540 S1: I hope it's not bigger than that. Yeah, six of them. And, 750 00:43:13,540 --> 00:43:17,299 S1: I mean, I've planned my funeral. Nobody will say. I 751 00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:20,660 S1: wonder what Robert would have wanted. I wonder who Robert 752 00:43:20,660 --> 00:43:23,540 S1: would have wanted to be pallbearers or to speak or 753 00:43:23,540 --> 00:43:26,540 S1: what hymns that he would like. Now, that doesn't mean. 754 00:43:26,580 --> 00:43:29,259 S1: And when I told Nancy that I. That I've done 755 00:43:29,260 --> 00:43:32,100 S1: that she she's a programmer, right. That's what she does 756 00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:36,020 S1: for a living. She, you know, women's guide. So I said, sweetheart, 757 00:43:36,020 --> 00:43:38,700 S1: this is this is just guidelines you can call an 758 00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:42,140 S1: audible any time you want. None of this is set 759 00:43:42,140 --> 00:43:46,259 S1: in stone, but it you won't ask the question. I 760 00:43:46,260 --> 00:43:48,859 S1: wonder what Robert would have wanted at this service. And 761 00:43:48,860 --> 00:43:51,379 S1: you can do that. I encourage people to do that. 762 00:43:51,380 --> 00:43:53,660 S1: That's one of the things I say in Finish Line. 763 00:43:54,580 --> 00:43:57,180 S2: Yeah. Um, do you know what's going to be on 764 00:43:57,180 --> 00:44:00,700 S2: your tombstone other than your name and the dates? Yeah. 765 00:44:01,100 --> 00:44:04,469 S1: He was a grateful man, is what I've said. And 766 00:44:04,510 --> 00:44:06,790 S1: you know that that may or may not be, but yes, 767 00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:10,110 S1: that that's that would be good enough for me. Yeah. 768 00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:14,270 S2: Robert, uh, a real treasure, I have to tell you 769 00:44:14,270 --> 00:44:17,549 S2: that David Bodie thing. I was watching that, you know, 770 00:44:17,550 --> 00:44:20,870 S2: it was that game went late, as I recall. It 771 00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:23,710 S2: was really, really late. And, you know, I when I 772 00:44:23,710 --> 00:44:25,669 S2: got up the next morning, I couldn't wait to tell 773 00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:29,430 S2: my kids, you know, you won't believe what I saw 774 00:44:29,469 --> 00:44:32,910 S2: last night. And I think there's a little bit of 775 00:44:32,910 --> 00:44:35,750 S2: heaven in there. You won't believe what God did in 776 00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:38,110 S2: the middle of when I didn't even think he was working. 777 00:44:38,110 --> 00:44:41,190 S2: He was doing this, and he worked all of this out. 778 00:44:41,550 --> 00:44:44,790 S2: And we're going to have that celebration together. Amen. And 779 00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:48,190 S2: thank you for putting this together, friend. It's it's a 780 00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:50,790 S2: real treasure. And I do mean it. You will you 781 00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:54,310 S2: will chuckle out loud at the D.L. Moody quote and more. 782 00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:58,070 S2: You'll chuckle out loud and it'll really, really help you, 783 00:44:58,070 --> 00:45:01,600 S2: especially on those eternal issues. So come back and see 784 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:02,960 S2: us real soon, okay? 785 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,080 S1: Thank you. Chris. I love you friend. 786 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,040 S2: He did it again right there. Did you hear that? 787 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,160 S2: Right at the end of the program he said, I 788 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,560 S2: love you. Have you said those words to somebody lately? 789 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,600 S2: Maybe this tribute to Robert will encourage you to do 790 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:24,319 S2: that today. Don't hold back. Or perhaps those verses that 791 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,200 S2: we heard from Isaiah were what you needed to hear 792 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,120 S2: in your own heart, or the message of God's sovereignty 793 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,560 S2: that heaven rules even in the middle of some really 794 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,879 S2: bad circumstances. And you can't understand why in the world 795 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:44,080 S2: is this happening? God, Robert's life was a long obedience 796 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:49,360 S2: in connecting with God's heart through a relationship with Jesus, 797 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:54,000 S2: receiving his forgiveness, his mercy, and his amazing grace, and 798 00:45:54,000 --> 00:46:00,009 S2: then not hoarding it, but extending it to others. If 799 00:46:00,010 --> 00:46:02,130 S2: you go to our website, you can see more about 800 00:46:02,130 --> 00:46:05,290 S2: Robert and the books that he's written through the years, 801 00:46:05,330 --> 00:46:08,169 S2: the links that we have for you right there. Can 802 00:46:08,170 --> 00:46:12,529 S2: you imagine what he's experiencing right now? This past Sunday, 803 00:46:12,530 --> 00:46:15,529 S2: as we sang about heaven and the truth about eternity 804 00:46:15,530 --> 00:46:19,370 S2: and church, I couldn't help but smile because I knew 805 00:46:19,410 --> 00:46:24,770 S2: that Robert was experiencing what he longed for. He's experienced 806 00:46:24,810 --> 00:46:28,609 S2: now the healing. We asked God to give him. Can 807 00:46:28,610 --> 00:46:32,410 S2: you imagine the welcome? Even better than rounding third after 808 00:46:32,410 --> 00:46:36,569 S2: a grand Slam. Well done Robert. And I believe we 809 00:46:36,570 --> 00:46:41,169 S2: will talk again soon, friend. And following his example, it's 810 00:46:41,170 --> 00:46:46,170 S2: my turn to say I love you, Robert. Chris Fabry 811 00:46:46,170 --> 00:46:48,930 S2: Live is a production of Moody Radio, a ministry of 812 00:46:48,930 --> 00:46:50,650 S2: Moody Bible Institute.