1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,720 S1: Hi friend, thank you so much for downloading this podcast 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:04,920 S1: and I hope what you hear today will encourage and 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:06,760 S1: edify you so that you'll get out there in the 4 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,400 S1: marketplace of ideas and live for him by being an 5 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,040 S1: ambassador for Christ. But before you listen and before you 6 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,239 S1: go to that marketplace of ideas, I'd love to tell 7 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,520 S1: you about this month's Truth Tool. It's written by Anne 8 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,200 S1: Graham Lotz, and it's called The Vision of His Glory. 9 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,080 S1: It's an study of the Book of Revelation, and it's 10 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,840 S1: one of the best I've ever read. 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Before they get started, let's take a quick 41 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,610 S2: look back at some of the highlights from the week. 42 00:02:04,050 --> 00:02:06,010 S3: I adopt his view of me that I'm a saint 43 00:02:06,010 --> 00:02:08,850 S3: by calling that I'm blameless in his sight. There is now, 44 00:02:08,850 --> 00:02:12,010 S3: therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 45 00:02:12,169 --> 00:02:15,650 S3: So in my relationship with Sarah, she affects me. But, 46 00:02:15,650 --> 00:02:19,410 S3: but and she refines me, but she does not define me. 47 00:02:19,410 --> 00:02:20,850 S3: And I've got to come to a point where I 48 00:02:20,850 --> 00:02:24,810 S3: say my identity, my value is God given, not spouse driven. 49 00:02:25,450 --> 00:02:27,929 S3: And that's one of the points we make. And people 50 00:02:28,090 --> 00:02:30,410 S3: are processing that. And there's a moment where they say, 51 00:02:30,410 --> 00:02:32,650 S3: you know what? That's true. I'm going to be sad. 52 00:02:32,650 --> 00:02:35,370 S3: I'm going to be affected. I'm not a robot here, 53 00:02:35,370 --> 00:02:37,209 S3: but I'm not going to continue to look to my 54 00:02:37,210 --> 00:02:41,250 S3: spouse to be my total healer and responsible, make me happy. 55 00:02:41,250 --> 00:02:43,450 S3: And the irony is, once you kind of let go 56 00:02:43,450 --> 00:02:45,210 S3: of that, you become happier. 57 00:02:45,610 --> 00:02:48,609 S4: Caution shouldn't have to choose between their classes and their 58 00:02:48,610 --> 00:02:52,250 S4: professional goals and parenthood. You know, I think college is 59 00:02:52,250 --> 00:02:55,410 S4: just on their own. Just be accommodating toward pregnant and 60 00:02:55,410 --> 00:02:58,810 S4: parenting students. Um, but this legislation will help. You know, 61 00:02:58,850 --> 00:03:01,930 S4: I think it will require colleges to provide resources. Again, 62 00:03:01,930 --> 00:03:04,530 S4: no one should have to choose between, you know, be 63 00:03:04,530 --> 00:03:08,290 S4: forced to get an abortion or get an abortion because 64 00:03:08,290 --> 00:03:11,370 S4: they'll lose housing or lose other college benefits. So this 65 00:03:11,370 --> 00:03:12,650 S4: is really just common sense. 66 00:03:13,169 --> 00:03:15,730 S5: Only through marriage between a man and a woman, there's 67 00:03:15,730 --> 00:03:18,690 S5: a biological imperative there that that command can be filled. 68 00:03:18,690 --> 00:03:22,410 S5: And that commands in Genesis one 2728 and reissued to 69 00:03:22,410 --> 00:03:26,010 S5: Noah in Genesis nine one. And that's why Christian marriage 70 00:03:26,010 --> 00:03:28,570 S5: is the way that it is. And when we accept 71 00:03:28,690 --> 00:03:30,770 S5: the offer of God and the way that he wants 72 00:03:30,770 --> 00:03:32,929 S5: us to live, we can all of a sudden have 73 00:03:32,930 --> 00:03:35,650 S5: our minds terraformed, have our minds changed, and we can 74 00:03:35,690 --> 00:03:38,610 S5: start to see God isn't trying to exclude anyone here. 75 00:03:38,650 --> 00:03:41,090 S5: He's trying to offer us a positive way of fulfilling 76 00:03:41,090 --> 00:03:43,210 S5: the command to go into all the world and populate 77 00:03:43,210 --> 00:03:43,690 S5: the earth. 78 00:03:44,250 --> 00:03:47,850 S6: The Messiah, Yeshua Jesus is going to come back. We 79 00:03:47,850 --> 00:03:51,930 S6: know that as Christians we know that. But but why, why, why, 80 00:03:52,330 --> 00:03:57,170 S6: why is this important? Because the Jewish people that will 81 00:03:57,170 --> 00:04:01,170 S6: survive the tribulation, the one third that will survive the tribulation, 82 00:04:01,170 --> 00:04:06,450 S6: that will proclaim corporately Baruch Hashem Adonai. Blessed is he 83 00:04:06,450 --> 00:04:08,930 S6: who comes in the name of the Lord that will 84 00:04:08,930 --> 00:04:13,490 S6: trigger the second coming of Messiah. 85 00:04:14,050 --> 00:04:16,810 S7: We know as as our dear friend says, we got 86 00:04:16,810 --> 00:04:19,090 S7: to pray and we got to listen. Then we got 87 00:04:19,089 --> 00:04:21,970 S7: to act. And so we go to this park with 88 00:04:22,250 --> 00:04:25,570 S7: that Bible. That's dangerous. Well, anyway, she goes and there's 89 00:04:25,570 --> 00:04:28,650 S7: a woman sitting there, and as she walks up, this 90 00:04:28,650 --> 00:04:31,250 S7: woman jumps off the bench and comes running to her 91 00:04:31,250 --> 00:04:33,810 S7: and says, you're the one. I saw you in my 92 00:04:33,810 --> 00:04:36,330 S7: dream last night. Did you bring the Bible? Do you 93 00:04:36,330 --> 00:04:39,089 S7: have answers for me? And they sit down on the 94 00:04:39,089 --> 00:04:43,970 S7: park bench and they share and they read scripture. And 95 00:04:43,970 --> 00:04:47,810 S7: this woman doesn't always happen like this, is ready and 96 00:04:47,810 --> 00:04:51,570 S7: prays to receive Christ right there on the bench that 97 00:04:51,570 --> 00:04:53,370 S7: both of them saw in the dream. 98 00:04:55,089 --> 00:04:57,489 S2: To hear the full interviews from any of those guests 99 00:04:57,529 --> 00:05:00,770 S2: go to In the Market with Janet Parshall and click 100 00:05:00,770 --> 00:05:04,330 S2: on Past programs. Here's some other stories making headlines this week. 101 00:05:04,970 --> 00:05:08,930 S8: President Donald Trump named former Federal Reserve Governor Kevin Warsh 102 00:05:08,970 --> 00:05:10,530 S8: to lead the Federal Reserve. 103 00:05:10,570 --> 00:05:14,130 S9: Venezuela has approved a sweeping reform of its main oil law, 104 00:05:14,170 --> 00:05:16,970 S9: a fast track move aimed at reviving the country's ailing 105 00:05:16,970 --> 00:05:18,010 S9: energy industry. 106 00:05:18,050 --> 00:05:21,810 S10: Stocks finished mixed Thursday, with the Dow posting a small gain, 107 00:05:21,850 --> 00:05:26,849 S10: the S&P 500 falling fractionally and the Nasdaq losing 7/10 108 00:05:26,850 --> 00:05:27,890 S10: of 1%. 109 00:05:29,130 --> 00:05:31,290 S2: Janet and Craig have lots to share, and they'll put 110 00:05:31,290 --> 00:05:33,770 S2: the first story on the table when we return. To 111 00:05:33,770 --> 00:05:36,409 S2: get more information or to download the podcast of any 112 00:05:36,410 --> 00:05:39,370 S2: of the interviews, go to In the Market with Janet Parshall. 113 00:06:00,860 --> 00:06:03,780 S1: The Book of Revelation isn't just about judgment and tribulation, 114 00:06:03,779 --> 00:06:06,220 S1: it's about Jesus. That's why I've chosen the Vision of 115 00:06:06,220 --> 00:06:09,020 S1: His Glory by Anne Graham Lotz as this month's Truth Tool. 116 00:06:09,060 --> 00:06:12,380 S1: Learn why Christ is unequaled in his position, undisputed in 117 00:06:12,380 --> 00:06:15,620 S1: his power, and unsurpassed in praise. As for your copy 118 00:06:15,620 --> 00:06:17,140 S1: of the Vision of His glory, when you give a 119 00:06:17,180 --> 00:06:21,299 S1: gift of any amount to in the market, just call 87758. 120 00:06:21,339 --> 00:06:24,460 S1: That's 877 58 or go online to in the market 121 00:06:24,460 --> 00:06:32,260 S1: with Janet Parshall. Welcome to in the market with Janet partial. 122 00:06:32,300 --> 00:06:34,860 S1: Happy Friday to you. Craig partial is joining me as 123 00:06:34,860 --> 00:06:36,700 S1: he does on Fridays. And we take a look at 124 00:06:36,700 --> 00:06:39,460 S1: the stories making headlines. But we look at them from 125 00:06:39,460 --> 00:06:41,820 S1: a biblical perspective. And let me just start by saying 126 00:06:41,820 --> 00:06:44,780 S1: it's a mess out there. And there are deeply held 127 00:06:44,779 --> 00:06:47,820 S1: convictions on either side of a lot of the stories 128 00:06:47,820 --> 00:06:50,820 S1: that make the headlines. I'm not interested in persuading you 129 00:06:50,820 --> 00:06:54,180 S1: or dissuading you on any posture whatsoever. What Craig and 130 00:06:54,180 --> 00:06:56,060 S1: I long to do is to get you so firmly 131 00:06:56,060 --> 00:06:58,219 S1: rooted in the word that you are a person of 132 00:06:58,220 --> 00:07:01,620 S1: noble character, like the Bereans described in the Book of Acts. 133 00:07:01,940 --> 00:07:07,460 S1: This is about us calmly and reasonably thinking critically and biblically, which, 134 00:07:07,460 --> 00:07:10,420 S1: let the record reflect is not a multiple choice test. 135 00:07:10,420 --> 00:07:13,140 S1: It's not an either or. It is a both end. 136 00:07:13,460 --> 00:07:15,420 S1: And so there are lots of issues out there that 137 00:07:15,420 --> 00:07:17,740 S1: it's very easy to simply dismiss them and say, oh, 138 00:07:17,740 --> 00:07:20,820 S1: that's political. And it shouldn't be talking about political things. Well, 139 00:07:20,980 --> 00:07:23,620 S1: I would imagine the disciples talked about a few political 140 00:07:23,620 --> 00:07:27,220 S1: things that were happening. Politics is merely a process, but 141 00:07:27,220 --> 00:07:30,460 S1: very often it's used to elucidate a problem in policy, 142 00:07:30,460 --> 00:07:33,260 S1: or it begins the journey of taking an idea and 143 00:07:33,260 --> 00:07:37,059 S1: turning it into policy. And policy is always predicated on 144 00:07:37,060 --> 00:07:40,340 S1: and about people. So this stuff is very germane to us. 145 00:07:40,580 --> 00:07:43,460 S1: So having said that, by way of background, something very 146 00:07:43,460 --> 00:07:47,660 S1: interesting happened today that raises, I think, a sophisticated conversation 147 00:07:47,980 --> 00:07:51,660 S1: about exactly what is and what is not religious liberty 148 00:07:51,660 --> 00:07:54,100 S1: in this country. Now we treasure that. I hope you do. 149 00:07:54,140 --> 00:07:55,820 S1: In this country at least. We have all kinds of 150 00:07:55,820 --> 00:07:58,980 S1: brothers and sisters who do not share the liberties afforded 151 00:07:58,980 --> 00:08:01,540 S1: us by that very first part of the Bill of rights. 152 00:08:01,700 --> 00:08:04,540 S1: You hear our conversations on a regular basis with people 153 00:08:04,540 --> 00:08:07,980 S1: like the head of Open Doors USA and Shariyat from 154 00:08:07,980 --> 00:08:11,660 S1: Iran Alive Ministries and Tom Doyle from Uncharted Mysteries Ministries, 155 00:08:11,660 --> 00:08:14,820 S1: and Todd Nettleton from voice of the martyrs. Story after 156 00:08:14,820 --> 00:08:18,340 S1: story after story of brothers and sisters in persecuted countries 157 00:08:18,340 --> 00:08:21,420 S1: where the right to freely assemble, enshrined in our First Amendment, 158 00:08:21,420 --> 00:08:24,460 S1: freely worship enshrined in our First Amendment is not a 159 00:08:24,460 --> 00:08:27,420 S1: liberty that is afforded to them. In fact, very often 160 00:08:27,420 --> 00:08:29,940 S1: it cost them their life to gather together in the 161 00:08:29,940 --> 00:08:33,179 S1: name of Jesus. As we're seeing in Nigeria, as we 162 00:08:33,220 --> 00:08:35,420 S1: hear the stories coming out of Communist China on a 163 00:08:35,420 --> 00:08:38,300 S1: regular basis and the list goes on. So while we 164 00:08:38,300 --> 00:08:41,180 S1: still have the opportunity in this country of the right 165 00:08:41,179 --> 00:08:43,740 S1: of redress, then we need to talk about some of 166 00:08:43,740 --> 00:08:46,860 S1: these issues and what is and is not allowable under 167 00:08:46,860 --> 00:08:49,380 S1: the First Amendment. Now, the catalyst for all of this 168 00:08:49,500 --> 00:08:52,180 S1: is the news that came out today that Don lemon 169 00:08:52,460 --> 00:08:55,780 S1: has been charged. In fact, he was arrested in Los 170 00:08:55,780 --> 00:09:00,500 S1: Angeles after he spent the night talking on the red 171 00:09:00,500 --> 00:09:04,860 S1: carpet with some award ceremony there. And he is being charged, 172 00:09:04,860 --> 00:09:09,900 S1: allegedly under storming the Minnesota church with anti ice protesters. Now, 173 00:09:10,059 --> 00:09:13,220 S1: Don lemon is alleging, both personally and through his attorney, 174 00:09:13,220 --> 00:09:16,140 S1: that he was simply reporting on what was going on. 175 00:09:16,300 --> 00:09:19,100 S1: Others would say he was participating to kind of summarize 176 00:09:19,100 --> 00:09:21,620 S1: this whole situation. Here's a report that was filed by 177 00:09:21,620 --> 00:09:23,100 S1: the New York Post. Have a listen. 178 00:09:23,300 --> 00:09:27,620 S11: Disgraced Zcn anchor Don lemon was arrested early Friday over 179 00:09:27,620 --> 00:09:30,860 S11: the anti ice protests that stormed a Minneapolis church during 180 00:09:30,860 --> 00:09:34,860 S11: Sunday service. According to his attorney and Attorney general, Pamela Bondi, 181 00:09:35,260 --> 00:09:38,580 S11: Don lemon was taken into custody by federal agents in 182 00:09:38,580 --> 00:09:42,620 S11: Los Angeles, where he was covering the Grammy Awards. Lemon's attorney, 183 00:09:42,660 --> 00:09:46,179 S11: Abbe Lowell, said in a statement shared with multiple reporters. 184 00:09:46,179 --> 00:09:49,110 S11: He was one of four people arrested by federal agents 185 00:09:49,110 --> 00:09:52,550 S11: early Friday in connection with the coordinated attack on city's 186 00:09:52,550 --> 00:09:55,790 S11: church in Saint Paul, Minnesota. Bondy later confirmed in a 187 00:09:55,790 --> 00:09:59,829 S11: statement lemon, who had been documenting the increasingly violent protests 188 00:09:59,830 --> 00:10:03,630 S11: following the shooting of Rene Nicole Goode, livestreamed himself alongside 189 00:10:03,630 --> 00:10:07,069 S11: demonstrators with the Racial Justice Network storming into the city's 190 00:10:07,070 --> 00:10:10,230 S11: church in Saint Paul, Minnesota, as they called out resident 191 00:10:10,230 --> 00:10:13,710 S11: pastor David Eastwood, whom they accused of moonlighting as the 192 00:10:13,710 --> 00:10:16,950 S11: acting field office director for Ice in the North Star State. 193 00:10:17,429 --> 00:10:20,670 S11: Some service disrupters chanted slogans heard at the dozens of 194 00:10:20,670 --> 00:10:26,870 S11: other protests that have wreaked havoc around Minneapolis. While others 195 00:10:26,870 --> 00:10:31,110 S11: specifically slandered Eastwood for supposedly misrepresenting the ideals of his 196 00:10:31,110 --> 00:10:33,310 S11: faith through his support for Ice. 197 00:10:33,790 --> 00:10:36,070 S12: David Eastwood out now. 198 00:10:36,510 --> 00:10:39,990 S11: Lemon spoke with the congregation's lead pastor, Jonathan Parnell, who 199 00:10:39,990 --> 00:10:41,949 S11: said the bombardment was shameful. 200 00:10:42,470 --> 00:10:45,990 S13: I mean, this is unacceptable. It's shameful. It's shameful to 201 00:10:46,470 --> 00:10:50,310 S13: to interrupt a public gathering of Christians in worship. 202 00:10:50,590 --> 00:10:53,710 S11: The Department of Justice announced a probe into the demonstration 203 00:10:53,710 --> 00:10:56,910 S11: at the church for potential violations of civil rights laws, 204 00:10:56,950 --> 00:11:00,870 S11: specifically for interfering with Christian worshipers, according to a post 205 00:11:00,870 --> 00:11:05,030 S11: on X. Harmeet Dhillon, the Justice Department's assistant attorney general 206 00:11:05,030 --> 00:11:08,590 S11: for civil rights, chided lemon on social media. A house 207 00:11:08,590 --> 00:11:11,390 S11: of worship is not a public forum for your protests. 208 00:11:11,630 --> 00:11:14,750 S11: It is a space protected from exactly such acts by 209 00:11:14,750 --> 00:11:18,150 S11: federal criminal and civil laws. Nor does the First Amendment 210 00:11:18,150 --> 00:11:22,030 S11: protect your pseudo journalism of disrupting a prayer service. You 211 00:11:22,030 --> 00:11:25,030 S11: are on notice, she wrote. In a follow up post. 212 00:11:25,030 --> 00:11:28,030 S11: She noted that the FBI had been activated and accused 213 00:11:28,030 --> 00:11:32,190 S11: the protesters of desecrating a house of worship. Lemon had 214 00:11:32,190 --> 00:11:34,790 S11: dismissed calls for him to be prosecuted for joining in 215 00:11:34,790 --> 00:11:37,670 S11: with the group, and defended his actions as protected under 216 00:11:37,670 --> 00:11:40,950 S11: the First Amendment. The MAGA administration and the fake news 217 00:11:40,950 --> 00:11:44,429 S11: magazine are losing their mind over something that's not even true, 218 00:11:44,470 --> 00:11:48,390 S11: lemon said, claiming he had no affiliations with the organization, 219 00:11:48,390 --> 00:11:51,870 S11: defending his actions as, quote, an act of journalism. 220 00:11:53,150 --> 00:11:56,070 S1: Well, therein lies the rub. And that's why this raises 221 00:11:56,110 --> 00:11:58,750 S1: a panoply of questions about the First Amendment freedom of 222 00:11:58,750 --> 00:12:01,030 S1: the press, freedom of assembly, freedom of worship, the list 223 00:12:01,030 --> 00:12:04,309 S1: goes on. Now, there's a fine line in journalism about 224 00:12:04,350 --> 00:12:07,910 S1: reporting the story and being a part of the story. 225 00:12:08,150 --> 00:12:09,910 S1: I want you to hear a clip. This was Don 226 00:12:09,910 --> 00:12:12,550 S1: Lemon's own video. He knew this event was going to 227 00:12:12,590 --> 00:12:15,829 S1: take place. He embedded himself prior to the protest at 228 00:12:15,830 --> 00:12:19,630 S1: City Church with those who were about to disrupt the service. 229 00:12:19,910 --> 00:12:22,830 S1: He knew exactly what was going to happen. In fact, 230 00:12:22,830 --> 00:12:24,910 S1: at one point in the video, he turns off the 231 00:12:24,910 --> 00:12:28,189 S1: audio because he goes there giving some very critical instructions 232 00:12:28,190 --> 00:12:30,790 S1: right now. So he turns his audio off. So in 233 00:12:30,790 --> 00:12:32,790 S1: other words, you knew exactly what the people were going 234 00:12:32,790 --> 00:12:35,350 S1: to do. You followed the people into the church. You 235 00:12:35,350 --> 00:12:37,350 S1: had prior knowledge of an event that was going to 236 00:12:37,390 --> 00:12:40,830 S1: take place. You didn't report on a spontaneous event. You 237 00:12:40,830 --> 00:12:42,870 S1: were there from the beginning. And of course, photos now 238 00:12:42,910 --> 00:12:45,990 S1: are there with him hugging and kissing members of the 239 00:12:45,990 --> 00:12:49,510 S1: other three people who were also arrested for interrupting those 240 00:12:49,510 --> 00:12:51,830 S1: church services. To give you a sense, it's radio, but 241 00:12:51,830 --> 00:12:53,670 S1: you get a sense of this. Here is Don lemon 242 00:12:53,670 --> 00:12:56,430 S1: providing what he calls recon on the ground. Have a 243 00:12:56,429 --> 00:12:58,230 S1: listen in Minneapolis. 244 00:12:58,670 --> 00:13:03,670 S14: Um, a little bit ago and did some, uh, some 245 00:13:04,070 --> 00:13:06,870 S14: reconnaissance on the ground and speaking to an organization there 246 00:13:06,870 --> 00:13:10,630 S14: that's gearing up to, uh, for resistance and protest. Um, 247 00:13:10,630 --> 00:13:15,670 S14: I've been surprised, pleasantly surprised to see the community coming together. Um, 248 00:13:16,070 --> 00:13:18,030 S14: diverse community, if you see this. When we first pulled up, 249 00:13:18,030 --> 00:13:20,550 S14: we were like, wait a minute, what is which? Um, 250 00:13:20,590 --> 00:13:23,790 S14: which operation are we at? And as it turns out, 251 00:13:23,830 --> 00:13:26,829 S14: because we were like, whoa, this is kind of MAGA coded, right? 252 00:13:26,830 --> 00:13:30,189 S14: So the American flag or whatever. But these are resistance protesters. 253 00:13:30,190 --> 00:13:32,470 S14: They're planning an operation that we're going to follow them on. 254 00:13:32,710 --> 00:13:35,110 S14: I can't tell you exactly what they're doing, but it's 255 00:13:35,110 --> 00:13:38,870 S14: called Operation Pull Up. Um, and it's Armstrong, and she 256 00:13:38,870 --> 00:13:43,400 S14: has been doing this since George Floyd, um, Dante Wright 257 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:47,320 S14: and others, where they surprised people, catch them off guard 258 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,040 S14: and hold them to account. And so that's what we're 259 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,000 S14: doing here. And then we're after that. After we do 260 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,040 S14: this operation, you'll see it live. And these operations are 261 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,280 S14: surprise operations. Again, I can't tell you where they're going. 262 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,760 S1: Surprise! Catch them off guard. Hold them to account. Okay. Well, 263 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,720 S1: first of all, that's part of the reason why, in fact, 264 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,680 S1: these federal charges have now been filed against Don lemon 265 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,560 S1: and others as well. Just a couple of background on 266 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,680 S1: some of the victims. According to now, all of the 267 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,959 S1: papers that are public, and it's a 19 page complaint. 268 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,760 S1: One of the victims said agitators prevented them from getting 269 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,120 S1: to their children. One thought it was a shooting. Others 270 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,360 S1: weren't able to leave. One woman fell and was injured. Uh, 271 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,280 S1: all of this pulled from the affidavit. Another victim informed 272 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,960 S1: agents that members of their parish attempted to retrieve their 273 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,640 S1: kids from child care located downstairs. Agitators blocked the stairs 274 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,800 S1: and the parents were unable to get to their kids. 275 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,680 S1: Another victim informed agents the aisles were are already narrow 276 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,320 S1: to begin with, and the agitators who occupied the center 277 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,040 S1: of the sanctuary made it nearly impossible for people to 278 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,040 S1: get out and to leave. Another one said that agitators 279 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,600 S1: may have had guns under their jackets. Additionally, when the 280 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,080 S1: agitators began shouting, all the parishioners could hear was shoot. 281 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,240 S1: Another victim recalled all of this from the affidavit recalled 282 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:02,920 S1: one agitator was threatening, aggressive and intimidating toward parishioners. The 283 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,960 S1: agitator was screaming and getting into people's faces to include 284 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,320 S1: women and young children. The agitator apparently continued to scream 285 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,400 S1: in the faces of young children while they were crying. 286 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,800 S1: One report says that the agitators said to the parents 287 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,000 S1: or to the children, rather your parents are Nazis. Another 288 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,880 S1: one says that the agitators, quote, forced parishioners to flee 289 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,360 S1: the church out of a side door, which resulted in 290 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,600 S1: one female victim falling and suffering an injury. Now, we've 291 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,440 S1: got a lot to this story because there are so 292 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,640 S1: many details. But again, what's significant is when a journalist 293 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,360 S1: crossed the line, how do you determine when he or 294 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,520 S1: she has crossed the line and what trumps what are 295 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,160 S1: you allowed to have? Freedom of assembly and freedom of 296 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:47,160 S1: worship free from interference. So there are actually two charges, 297 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,080 S1: as I see it in the complaint. One is the 298 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,960 S1: face act and the other is interfering with someone's right 299 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,080 S1: to be able to worship. It took a while for 300 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,360 S1: people to get there. Jake Tapper has been pushing back 301 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,400 S1: saying a judge wouldn't sign it. It did go in 302 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,120 S1: front of a grand jury, which meant the people grand 303 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,960 S1: juries are private and behind closed doors by design. The 304 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,320 S1: people said there's enough here to push forward with charges. 305 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:09,200 S1: Talk to us about this. 306 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:13,400 S15: Yeah. First of all, when an indictment, whether it's federal 307 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:18,600 S15: or state, is issued, it's kept sealed until the court 308 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:24,240 S15: decides to unseal it. But the the federal agencies involved 309 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,920 S15: in this from Washington have already acknowledged that one of 310 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,000 S15: the charges is under the Face act. It was designed 311 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:37,080 S15: not just to protect abortion clinics from interference with their operations, 312 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:42,440 S15: but also houses of worship specifically, and that's the section 313 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,600 S15: of the first act that is involved here. But also separately, 314 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,240 S15: there is a federal civil rights section of the Civil 315 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,960 S15: Rights Act. Uh, that makes it a crime or potential 316 00:16:54,960 --> 00:17:00,200 S15: crime for anybody to conspire, and usually requires then more 317 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,840 S15: than one person, a conspiracy of two or more persons 318 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:08,480 S15: to interfere with the civil rights, constitutional rights of third parties. 319 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,479 S15: In this case, it would be worshipers who wanted to 320 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:16,639 S15: be there to worship, uh, quietly, peacefully, until, of course, 321 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:22,800 S15: they were interrupted and, uh, unable to continue the church service. So, uh, 322 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,520 S15: civil rights, Constitution, free speech. It's all involved here. 323 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,080 S1: Yeah. And again, this is being political. This is important. 324 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,160 S1: You and I love going to church. We don't want 325 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,720 S1: to forsake the assembling of ourselves. Is it lawful and 326 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,560 S1: legal for someone to come in and disrupt our ability 327 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,050 S1: to worship? Got a lot to talk about back after this. 328 00:17:53,770 --> 00:17:56,330 S1: So let's go back to the story again. And it 329 00:17:56,330 --> 00:17:59,050 S1: really the transcendent issue here. And it's imperative that that's 330 00:17:59,050 --> 00:18:01,810 S1: where we think we think at the 35,000 foot level here. 331 00:18:01,810 --> 00:18:04,689 S1: Because if this is allowable and none of us are 332 00:18:04,690 --> 00:18:06,889 S1: going to be able to worship freely when we go 333 00:18:06,890 --> 00:18:09,490 S1: to our churches on Sunday, because it's a carte blanche 334 00:18:09,730 --> 00:18:13,210 S1: to any group that has animus against anybody in that church, 335 00:18:13,210 --> 00:18:16,530 S1: or the philosophy and theology taught by that church is 336 00:18:16,530 --> 00:18:18,890 S1: a reason for others to come in and disrupt. That 337 00:18:18,890 --> 00:18:22,410 S1: is not freedom of worship by any stretch of the imagination. 338 00:18:22,410 --> 00:18:25,609 S1: It is outright interference with the First Amendment right to 339 00:18:25,609 --> 00:18:28,449 S1: be able to gather and worship. And we're going to 340 00:18:28,450 --> 00:18:30,850 S1: talk a lot about whether or not this was journalistic 341 00:18:30,850 --> 00:18:34,850 S1: integrity and journalistic opportunity for somebody to come in when 342 00:18:34,850 --> 00:18:37,250 S1: they knew that event was about to take place. Remember, 343 00:18:37,250 --> 00:18:39,730 S1: he wasn't called to the spot like, hey, there's a fire! 344 00:18:39,730 --> 00:18:42,410 S1: And the local columnist for the local newspaper shows up 345 00:18:42,410 --> 00:18:44,850 S1: and starts writing about the fire. This was a person 346 00:18:44,850 --> 00:18:46,810 S1: who knew where the arsonist was going to be, and 347 00:18:46,810 --> 00:18:49,449 S1: watched them set the fire, and then started to report 348 00:18:49,450 --> 00:18:51,530 S1: on it. So are you a part of this story 349 00:18:51,530 --> 00:18:55,450 S1: or are you just reporting the story? So, uh, when 350 00:18:55,609 --> 00:18:58,530 S1: John Lemon was walking around the church, he was, in 351 00:18:58,570 --> 00:19:00,450 S1: my words, and I certainly would have felt this way. 352 00:19:00,450 --> 00:19:04,490 S1: He was harassing people who were in cities church in Minneapolis, including, 353 00:19:04,490 --> 00:19:06,490 S1: but not limited to the pastor. Have a listen. 354 00:19:07,130 --> 00:19:08,129 S14: What do you think of this? 355 00:19:08,490 --> 00:19:12,010 S13: I mean, this is unacceptable. It's shameful. It's shameful to 356 00:19:12,530 --> 00:19:17,770 S13: to interrupt a public gathering of Christians and worship. So what? 357 00:19:18,090 --> 00:19:19,410 S14: But there were folks who said. 358 00:19:19,730 --> 00:19:22,330 S13: I have to take care of my flock. Okay, listen, we. 359 00:19:22,330 --> 00:19:24,450 S14: Live in a there's a Constitution in the First Amendment 360 00:19:24,450 --> 00:19:27,129 S14: to freedom of speech and freedom to assemble and protest. 361 00:19:27,770 --> 00:19:30,409 S13: We're here to worship. We're here to worship Jesus, because 362 00:19:30,410 --> 00:19:32,449 S13: that's the hope of these cities. That's the hope of 363 00:19:32,450 --> 00:19:34,330 S13: the world is Jesus Christ. To be very. 364 00:19:34,330 --> 00:19:35,690 S14: Respectful. Please don't push me, though. 365 00:19:35,730 --> 00:19:40,209 S13: We're here. We're here to worship Jesus. That's why we're here. Yeah, okay. 366 00:19:40,250 --> 00:19:42,170 S13: That's why we're here. Okay. That's what we're about. 367 00:19:42,170 --> 00:19:44,010 S14: What do you think Jesus would be understanding. 368 00:19:44,050 --> 00:19:45,170 S13: And we're about. 369 00:19:45,450 --> 00:19:45,930 S14: Love, these. 370 00:19:45,930 --> 00:19:47,689 S13: Folks. We're about spreading the love of Jesus. 371 00:19:47,810 --> 00:19:49,570 S14: But did you try to talk to them as a. 372 00:19:49,570 --> 00:19:51,090 S13: As a Christian is willing to talk? 373 00:19:51,130 --> 00:19:51,570 S14: Okay. 374 00:19:51,770 --> 00:19:53,689 S13: I have to take care of my church and my family. 375 00:19:53,690 --> 00:19:56,649 S13: So I ask that you actually would also leave this building. 376 00:19:56,650 --> 00:19:58,969 S13: You don't want us to chronicle what happened. You're here 377 00:19:58,970 --> 00:19:59,330 S13: to worship. 378 00:19:59,369 --> 00:20:00,609 S14: I'm always worship. I'm a Christian. 379 00:20:00,609 --> 00:20:03,050 S13: We're here. What? We're here to worship. We're here to worship. Okay. 380 00:20:03,090 --> 00:20:04,490 S14: Thank you very much. I appreciate. 381 00:20:04,490 --> 00:20:04,690 S13: It. 382 00:20:06,090 --> 00:20:08,969 S1: Craig. That's, uh, by the way, he acted like it 383 00:20:08,970 --> 00:20:11,810 S1: was a college debate forum. He wasn't interviewing. He wasn't 384 00:20:11,810 --> 00:20:15,250 S1: trying to get facts. He was debating, and he was being, um, 385 00:20:15,609 --> 00:20:19,290 S1: he was being an an a provocateur, if I can 386 00:20:19,290 --> 00:20:21,250 S1: use that word, I think would be most apt for 387 00:20:21,250 --> 00:20:23,770 S1: his particular worldview. By the way, you have to contextualize this. 388 00:20:23,770 --> 00:20:26,369 S1: He showed up on a podcast on Monday with a 389 00:20:26,369 --> 00:20:30,010 S1: person who just decided she hates Christianity. I don't even 390 00:20:30,010 --> 00:20:33,889 S1: want to say her name. Uh, but she's got this podcast, 391 00:20:33,890 --> 00:20:36,810 S1: and she very, very often goes against Christians on a 392 00:20:36,810 --> 00:20:39,850 S1: regular basis. And Don lemon was a part of the 393 00:20:39,850 --> 00:20:43,369 S1: conversation when she was there. Uh, I'll give you the 394 00:20:43,369 --> 00:20:45,730 S1: name of the podcast. It's called I've Had It. And 395 00:20:45,730 --> 00:20:48,689 S1: during the conversation, the female host said of city's church, 396 00:20:48,690 --> 00:20:53,170 S1: that sect I'm quoting, that sect of evangelical Christianity has 397 00:20:53,170 --> 00:20:56,530 S1: its roots in the KKK because the KKK, which was 398 00:20:56,530 --> 00:21:00,050 S1: a religious movement for white nationalists. Lemon doesn't disagree. He 399 00:21:00,050 --> 00:21:03,330 S1: goes on to accuse the city's church of racism. That's 400 00:21:03,330 --> 00:21:07,369 S1: not reporting, that's opining. He accused Ice of, quote, detaining 401 00:21:07,369 --> 00:21:09,770 S1: people on the streets because of accents in the color 402 00:21:09,770 --> 00:21:12,330 S1: of their skin. And he went on to suggest that 403 00:21:12,330 --> 00:21:16,889 S1: this particular Church City's church is, quote, rooted in white supremacy. 404 00:21:17,090 --> 00:21:19,370 S1: And then he said, there's a certain degree of racism here, 405 00:21:19,369 --> 00:21:22,250 S1: and that's a certain degree of entitlement. I think people 406 00:21:22,250 --> 00:21:24,610 S1: who are, you know, in religious groups like that, it's 407 00:21:24,609 --> 00:21:26,850 S1: not the type of Christianity that I practice, but I 408 00:21:26,850 --> 00:21:30,050 S1: think that they're entitled and that this entitlement comes from 409 00:21:30,050 --> 00:21:33,659 S1: a supremacy, a white supremacy. And they think this country 410 00:21:33,660 --> 00:21:35,979 S1: was built for them, that this is a Christian country, 411 00:21:35,980 --> 00:21:39,900 S1: when actually we left England because we wanted religious freedom. 412 00:21:39,900 --> 00:21:42,940 S1: It's religious freedom only if you're a Christian and only 413 00:21:42,940 --> 00:21:46,699 S1: if you're a white male. Pretty much. Now that's his worldview. 414 00:21:46,940 --> 00:21:48,740 S1: Out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks. 415 00:21:48,740 --> 00:21:51,740 S1: Was he just objectively reporting, or did he have an agenda? 416 00:21:52,180 --> 00:21:54,900 S15: Yeah. If you look at the facts, it's real clear. 417 00:21:55,100 --> 00:21:58,540 S15: As a matter of fact, the affidavit supporting, uh, the 418 00:21:58,540 --> 00:22:03,179 S15: indictment and the charges in this particular case makes it 419 00:22:03,180 --> 00:22:07,660 S15: pretty clear that he was not just covering it as 420 00:22:07,660 --> 00:22:09,820 S15: a journalist. And in fact, I could even go a 421 00:22:09,820 --> 00:22:12,379 S15: step further, you know, a representative of the years, a 422 00:22:12,380 --> 00:22:16,820 S15: number of people involved in public expression of protest, many 423 00:22:16,820 --> 00:22:19,420 S15: of them against abortion clinics, but other things as well. 424 00:22:19,660 --> 00:22:23,100 S15: There's a difference between being on the sidewalk and being 425 00:22:23,140 --> 00:22:28,700 S15: a person who a particular protest group assigns to deal 426 00:22:28,700 --> 00:22:31,220 S15: with the press and tell the press why people are 427 00:22:31,220 --> 00:22:34,340 S15: there with signs or whatever, doing it on a public sidewalk. 428 00:22:34,340 --> 00:22:38,859 S15: That's one thing. It's another thing when, uh, the, uh, 429 00:22:39,100 --> 00:22:42,939 S15: the entrance into the space that's reserved for the church 430 00:22:42,940 --> 00:22:47,340 S15: and worshipers, uh, people who want to worship in the 431 00:22:47,340 --> 00:22:50,460 S15: church environment rather than on a public sidewalk. When you 432 00:22:50,460 --> 00:22:54,540 S15: enter that, you cease to become a public protest covered 433 00:22:54,540 --> 00:23:02,020 S15: by the First Amendment's protection of public spaces, like parks, like, uh, sidewalks, uh, streets, 434 00:23:02,020 --> 00:23:04,820 S15: if you have a parade permit and so forth. Uh, 435 00:23:04,820 --> 00:23:09,699 S15: that's that's one distinction. But then there's another distinction here, uh, 436 00:23:09,700 --> 00:23:12,900 S15: that supports the indictment of Mr. Lemon, and that is 437 00:23:12,900 --> 00:23:15,660 S15: the fact that he didn't stay on the sidewalk and 438 00:23:15,660 --> 00:23:20,139 S15: pretend to be a journalist. He entered and was part 439 00:23:20,140 --> 00:23:25,100 S15: of those that were interrupting the service. And, by the way, 440 00:23:25,140 --> 00:23:28,179 S15: interrupting the pastor as well. You just heard that dialogue, 441 00:23:28,500 --> 00:23:34,060 S15: but even more, uh, the, the investigative facts that had been, uh, 442 00:23:34,180 --> 00:23:37,500 S15: culled by the FBI agents that filed the affidavit in 443 00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:42,980 S15: support of the, um, the indictment made it clear that 444 00:23:42,980 --> 00:23:48,740 S15: he was helping to coordinate and orchestrate the very event, 445 00:23:49,180 --> 00:23:52,380 S15: that is to say, the interruption of that church service, 446 00:23:52,580 --> 00:23:55,700 S15: that he said he was there only as a journalist, 447 00:23:55,940 --> 00:23:58,340 S15: only as a journalist means you're not part of the story. 448 00:23:58,340 --> 00:24:00,060 S15: As you said at the very beginning of the hour, 449 00:24:00,260 --> 00:24:04,460 S15: you keep yourself away from the story and report it objectively. 450 00:24:04,500 --> 00:24:09,140 S15: He was coordinating, he was orchestrating. He was sharing information 451 00:24:09,140 --> 00:24:12,180 S15: about logistics on how this was going to take place 452 00:24:12,180 --> 00:24:14,700 S15: and how the interruption of the service would take place. 453 00:24:14,859 --> 00:24:17,260 S15: That makes him an actor. And as the Supreme Court 454 00:24:17,260 --> 00:24:20,540 S15: has said over and over again, free speech is different 455 00:24:20,540 --> 00:24:25,900 S15: than conduct. Conduct can be criminalized. Free speech does not. 456 00:24:25,940 --> 00:24:28,940 S15: This wasn't speech. This was criminal conduct. 457 00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:31,510 S1: And there's still more to the story again. These are 458 00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:34,790 S1: the days in which we've been called to influence and occupy, 459 00:24:34,830 --> 00:24:37,230 S1: to seek the welfare of the city, and to let 460 00:24:37,270 --> 00:24:39,790 S1: our light so shine before men. 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This 496 00:26:32,670 --> 00:26:35,350 S1: is hot off the presses, because today the Department of 497 00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:39,150 S1: Justice has filed charges against Don lemon for allegedly disrupting 498 00:26:39,150 --> 00:26:41,550 S1: a church service, not because he was a reporter reporting 499 00:26:41,550 --> 00:26:44,109 S1: on the news, but he was very much of a participant. 500 00:26:44,150 --> 00:26:47,310 S1: His own videotape reveals he knows the event was taking place. 501 00:26:47,470 --> 00:26:50,510 S1: He was hugging the people who were supporting it. Um. 502 00:26:50,550 --> 00:26:53,230 S1: He was you heard by just the tenor of the questions. 503 00:26:53,230 --> 00:26:55,790 S1: He wasn't reporting, just getting objective facts. You watched the 504 00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:59,070 S1: evening news when your local news reports are out there. It's, um. 505 00:26:59,109 --> 00:27:01,109 S1: And so when the fire took place at so and so, 506 00:27:01,109 --> 00:27:02,909 S1: police are saying blah, blah, blah, and they give you 507 00:27:02,910 --> 00:27:05,750 S1: just the facts. Don lemon, in the middle of this 508 00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:10,270 S1: very frightening, chaotic experience at Cities Church in Saint Paul, uh, 509 00:27:10,270 --> 00:27:12,830 S1: was being disrupted by these protesters. He knew it was 510 00:27:12,830 --> 00:27:14,710 S1: going to happen. He was with the group of people 511 00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:16,990 S1: who were about to disrupt the service ahead of time, 512 00:27:17,030 --> 00:27:20,070 S1: turned off his camera when, quote, critical instructions were being given, 513 00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:22,189 S1: in other words, how to do the disruption. And all 514 00:27:22,190 --> 00:27:24,389 S1: of this was predicated on the idea that they believe 515 00:27:24,390 --> 00:27:26,950 S1: that one of the pastors at that church was employed 516 00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:29,630 S1: by Ice, and that's why they went in. That's why 517 00:27:29,630 --> 00:27:33,430 S1: they chose that church. So, um, this raises a whole 518 00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:36,109 S1: lot of questions about our ability to worship freely. Now, look, 519 00:27:36,109 --> 00:27:38,550 S1: we've been here before. This is deja vu all over again. 520 00:27:38,830 --> 00:27:43,190 S1: Our church services were interrupted by the government because of Covid, 521 00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:46,230 S1: and it took strong leadership, like John MacArthur and his 522 00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:48,310 S1: church to say, no, we're not going to bend our 523 00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:50,909 S1: knees to Caesar. We're going to protect our right to worship. 524 00:27:51,150 --> 00:27:53,869 S1: At its core, this is about protecting your right to worship. 525 00:27:53,869 --> 00:27:55,910 S1: You might have an opinion about Ice or anything else, 526 00:27:55,910 --> 00:27:58,310 S1: and that's fine. That does not give you a carte 527 00:27:58,350 --> 00:28:01,790 S1: blanche to go and disrupt somebody else's freedom to worship 528 00:28:01,790 --> 00:28:04,790 S1: and freedom to assembly. So CNN has put out a position. 529 00:28:04,790 --> 00:28:07,950 S1: Not surprisingly, the FBI's arrest of our former colleague raises 530 00:28:07,950 --> 00:28:11,670 S1: profoundly concerning questions about freedom, press freedom and the First Amendment. 531 00:28:11,670 --> 00:28:13,550 S1: It does, but they're only pulling out one part of 532 00:28:13,550 --> 00:28:16,710 S1: the First Amendment. They're ignoring the freedom to worship, which 533 00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:19,550 S1: supersedes freedom of the press, by the way. So, Craig, 534 00:28:19,550 --> 00:28:22,310 S1: they talk about the fact that DOJ failed twice, and 535 00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:23,830 S1: this is going to be the talking point for the 536 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,840 S1: liberals on the alphabet soup that DOJ failed to get 537 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:31,800 S1: an arrest warrant for Don and some others from a 538 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,200 S1: chief justice of the Minnesota Federal District court who allegedly 539 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,520 S1: said there was, quote, no evidence. Well, DOJ was able 540 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,720 S1: to go forward because the grand jury said, oh, yeah, 541 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,200 S1: we think there's evidence here. Can you talk to this 542 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,320 S1: talking point? Because this is going to be the spin that, oh, 543 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,600 S1: it was so feeble that they couldn't even get charges 544 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,560 S1: in the first place. 545 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,480 S15: By the way, breaking news at the beginning of this broadcast, 546 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,280 S15: I said, you know, it takes the judge to be 547 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,440 S15: able to unseal an indictment. It remains sealed until the 548 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,120 S15: judge does so. The judge has just unsealed it. And 549 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,160 S15: as I indicated, as we had, you know, been informed 550 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,360 S15: by public media and social media, one of the charges 551 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,400 S15: is violation of the Face act, which specifically says you 552 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,920 S15: can't go into a house of worship to interfere with it. 553 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,120 S15: But second of all, he's also charged with a violation 554 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:27,200 S15: of 18 United States Code 241, which is, um, makes 555 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,959 S15: it a crime for two or more persons to conspire 556 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:36,640 S15: by means of intimidation to interfere with anyone's constitutional free 557 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,040 S15: exercise of constitutional rights. Well, you have a constitutional right 558 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,920 S15: of free exercise of religion in the First Amendment. So 559 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,160 S15: if there's a use of intimidation to interfere with that 560 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,080 S15: by two or more persons, and obviously there were more 561 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,480 S15: than two or more people involved in this particular fracas, 562 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,520 S15: this riot in the church. Uh, then that predicate has been, uh, 563 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,160 S15: resolved and I think pretty well proven. Uh, then the 564 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,040 S15: question is, well, did he have a free did Don lemon, 565 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,000 S15: a former journalist, uh, did he have a free, uh, press, right, 566 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:13,400 S15: to be there covering it? And, uh, the answer, I think, 567 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:18,120 S15: should be no, because he was part of the orchestration 568 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:24,440 S15: and logistics of having this intimidation effect against a pastor 569 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,560 S15: they didn't like, for whatever reason. Accurate or not, I 570 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,560 S15: think it was inaccurate presumption on their part as well 571 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,840 S15: as the people in the church. So when you go 572 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,200 S15: in with a strategy of intimidating people who are there 573 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:42,280 S15: to worship, then you have violated 18 U.S.C. 241. And 574 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,080 S15: that's the other charge that they're being faced with. And 575 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,040 S15: Don lemon as well. 576 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,200 S1: Details. Others were arrested. There is an arrest affidavit that 577 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,880 S1: was put out against three other people were there, including 578 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,120 S1: one individual by the name of William Scott Kelly. Uh, 579 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,240 S1: this document was filed saying that the perpetrators, quote, intimidated, harassed, 580 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,760 S1: oppressed and terrorizes the parishioners, including young children, and caused 581 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,160 S1: the service to be cut short and forced parishioners to 582 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,800 S1: flee the church out of a side door, which resulted, 583 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,959 S1: as I noted earlier, in one woman falling and suffering 584 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,760 S1: an injury. Uh, apparently, the affidavit describes multiple examples of 585 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,800 S1: children in the church looking terrified, anxiety on their face, 586 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,920 S1: looking to their grown ups for comfort. William Scott Kelly, 587 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,239 S1: one of those in this arrest affidavit, is accused of 588 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,160 S1: reportedly yelling this ain't God's house, this is the house 589 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,760 S1: of the devil. And again, it was because they believed 590 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,840 S1: that one of the church pastors was an agent for 591 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,200 S1: Immigration and Customs Enforcement. A victim from the church also 592 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,200 S1: reported Kelly screaming Nazi in people's faces and telling children directly, 593 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,640 S1: do you know your parents are Nazis? They're going to 594 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:49,440 S1: burn in hell. So fear, intimidation, disruption, etc.. So, uh, 595 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,200 S1: I want you I want to go back to Don lemon. 596 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,800 S1: And he then talks to a dad, one of the 597 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,040 S1: people trying to flee the church, because if you've seen 598 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,240 S1: the video, they were frightened people and they were trying 599 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,400 S1: to get their kids and they wanted to get out. 600 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,640 S1: To their credit, they knew that the best way to 601 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,320 S1: disarm this mob was to just dispense. They weren't going 602 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,920 S1: to sit there and have an Oxfordian kind of debate 603 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,320 S1: of ideas and worldviews. They wanted to get out and 604 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,400 S1: they wanted to be safe with their kids. So here's 605 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,959 S1: Don lemon confronting a dad who walked out of the service. 606 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:15,920 S14: Do you think of this. 607 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,680 S16: Harmless Christian here that wants to praise the Lord with 608 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,010 S16: my son. And now I gotta go home. I'm sorry 609 00:32:21,010 --> 00:32:22,450 S16: that you guys are so angry. 610 00:32:22,490 --> 00:32:24,930 S14: I'm not. I'm. I'm just chronicling. I'm not with the group. 611 00:32:24,970 --> 00:32:26,970 S16: Oh, um. What do I have to say? 612 00:32:27,010 --> 00:32:28,690 S14: Can you understand why they're angry? 613 00:32:28,730 --> 00:32:31,210 S16: I don't I don't understand any of this because I'm 614 00:32:31,210 --> 00:32:33,090 S16: a simple man. I'm a simple man who loves the 615 00:32:33,090 --> 00:32:35,290 S16: Lord and is a good father. This is what we 616 00:32:35,290 --> 00:32:37,410 S16: look forward to. Is coming and being with our family 617 00:32:37,410 --> 00:32:40,610 S16: and and praising Jesus. And that's not something that we 618 00:32:40,610 --> 00:32:43,810 S16: have to run away from. So we this is kind 619 00:32:43,810 --> 00:32:46,930 S16: of a bad day for us, but, uh, you know, 620 00:32:46,970 --> 00:32:49,210 S16: we're going to heaven. So that's the best news we got. 621 00:32:49,250 --> 00:32:51,730 S14: Do you understand that some of these folks feel voiceless? 622 00:32:51,770 --> 00:32:54,770 S16: I don't understand because right now I'm so upset. Right now, 623 00:32:54,770 --> 00:32:57,810 S16: I don't really have much. I'm thirsty, and I can't 624 00:32:57,810 --> 00:33:00,489 S16: think very clearly. So what I want to do is 625 00:33:00,490 --> 00:33:02,370 S16: just say, we love you, my son. And I love 626 00:33:02,370 --> 00:33:03,570 S16: you guys. And that's. 627 00:33:03,570 --> 00:33:05,090 S14: I'm a journalist. They're activists. 628 00:33:05,130 --> 00:33:07,010 S16: The simplest thing we can say is that we love 629 00:33:07,010 --> 00:33:07,690 S16: you guys. 630 00:33:07,730 --> 00:33:08,650 S14: What do you mean, you guys? 631 00:33:08,690 --> 00:33:11,610 S16: Well, whoever's here in this house. Okay, we don't we 632 00:33:11,610 --> 00:33:15,489 S16: don't distinguish between Christian and non-Christian. We love everyone. And 633 00:33:15,490 --> 00:33:18,170 S16: we want everyone to come to heaven. Yeah, that's the 634 00:33:18,170 --> 00:33:20,410 S16: main thing. We want folks to go to heaven. And 635 00:33:20,410 --> 00:33:23,770 S16: if we need to talk about these things, then, I mean, 636 00:33:23,770 --> 00:33:25,610 S16: this isn't the time for that, really. I mean. 637 00:33:25,650 --> 00:33:27,770 S14: But don't you think until we go to heaven, if 638 00:33:28,050 --> 00:33:30,210 S14: you believe in that, that there should be some sort 639 00:33:30,210 --> 00:33:33,090 S14: of peace here on earth and that people should have agency, 640 00:33:33,090 --> 00:33:35,530 S14: and we shouldn't be beating people up off the street, 641 00:33:35,770 --> 00:33:37,730 S14: and we should be abiding by the Constitution. 642 00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:39,410 S16: I think that's just a little bit loaded for me 643 00:33:39,410 --> 00:33:42,410 S16: right now. What you're doing. Why? So I don't want 644 00:33:42,450 --> 00:33:45,209 S16: to interview right now. I don't want to interview. I 645 00:33:45,210 --> 00:33:46,450 S16: just want to tell you guys I love you. I 646 00:33:46,450 --> 00:33:49,250 S16: don't need to interview right now because I want to 647 00:33:49,250 --> 00:33:52,290 S16: be with my son. It's Sunday. It's time to rest 648 00:33:52,690 --> 00:33:56,050 S16: and for for renewal. I would like to answer your question. 649 00:33:56,050 --> 00:33:56,810 S16: I just can't right now. 650 00:33:56,810 --> 00:33:58,370 S14: Okay. Thank you, I appreciate it. 651 00:33:58,650 --> 00:34:00,650 S1: And I don't know about you, but you've got this 652 00:34:00,650 --> 00:34:03,090 S1: very unsettling situation. You could hear the roar of the 653 00:34:03,090 --> 00:34:05,810 S1: protesters in the background. You're being harangued by a man 654 00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:09,689 S1: who's going to say shortly after this interview that this 655 00:34:09,690 --> 00:34:12,290 S1: was a church steeped in white supremacy and had its 656 00:34:12,290 --> 00:34:15,609 S1: roots in the KKK. And obviously, he says it isn't 657 00:34:15,610 --> 00:34:18,850 S1: the kind of Christianity quote that he practices. And yet, 658 00:34:18,890 --> 00:34:21,690 S1: no matter how much he prodded and poked this brother, 659 00:34:21,690 --> 00:34:24,969 S1: he absolutely stayed on message. We love you guys. You 660 00:34:24,969 --> 00:34:27,130 S1: need to know. Jesus. I just I don't want to 661 00:34:27,130 --> 00:34:29,090 S1: do an interview right now. I want. It's the Sabbath. 662 00:34:29,090 --> 00:34:31,049 S1: I want to be with my family. I don't know 663 00:34:31,050 --> 00:34:34,490 S1: about you, but I'm telling you, that was Grace under pressure. Craig. 664 00:34:34,530 --> 00:34:35,050 S1: Your thoughts? 665 00:34:35,090 --> 00:34:37,530 S15: Yeah. It didn't sound like a Nazi to me. Um, 666 00:34:38,170 --> 00:34:40,850 S15: let me point out kind of a procedural point so 667 00:34:40,850 --> 00:34:44,050 S15: that people don't get confused by some of the news 668 00:34:44,050 --> 00:34:47,250 S15: out there about what happened when the judge turned down 669 00:34:47,250 --> 00:34:50,730 S15: the probable cause request for an arrest warrant. There are 670 00:34:50,730 --> 00:34:54,410 S15: two ways that you can instigate a federal prosecution. You 671 00:34:54,410 --> 00:34:57,970 S15: can go to a judge, a one person judge, present 672 00:34:57,969 --> 00:35:02,410 S15: an affidavit that you think supports an arrest warrant based 673 00:35:02,410 --> 00:35:04,810 S15: on what we call probable cause. Doesn't have to be 674 00:35:04,810 --> 00:35:06,690 S15: beyond a reasonable doubt, but it has to be something 675 00:35:06,690 --> 00:35:11,089 S15: more than simply speculation. And I've seen the affidavit. It 676 00:35:11,090 --> 00:35:14,370 S15: looked to me like there was probable cause. One judge 677 00:35:14,370 --> 00:35:18,650 S15: said no, not quite enough, and perhaps had some First 678 00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:23,410 S15: Amendment concerns about journalism and the free press. Because Don 679 00:35:23,410 --> 00:35:29,730 S15: lemon is well known as a former CNN reporter and anchor. So, um, one, 680 00:35:29,730 --> 00:35:33,050 S15: one judge said, no, I'm not sure I see that 681 00:35:33,450 --> 00:35:36,209 S15: there's another way to start a federal prosecution that is 682 00:35:36,210 --> 00:35:42,050 S15: to have a jury, uh, called, uh, a grand jury, uh, empaneled. 683 00:35:42,050 --> 00:35:44,290 S15: And then you have a group of citizens who hear 684 00:35:44,290 --> 00:35:49,210 S15: the evidence live from witnesses, not just a written affidavit, 685 00:35:49,450 --> 00:35:53,370 S15: more thorough facts, probably in the, um, in the grand jury. 686 00:35:53,530 --> 00:35:56,129 S15: And they issued the indictment and said, yeah, we see 687 00:35:56,170 --> 00:36:00,770 S15: probable cause, no question. So I go with the grand 688 00:36:00,770 --> 00:36:03,730 S15: jury on this one because, uh, as I look at 689 00:36:03,730 --> 00:36:07,370 S15: the affidavit, which was rather concise, even that I think 690 00:36:07,410 --> 00:36:10,810 S15: convinced me if I were a judge. But as I said, 691 00:36:10,810 --> 00:36:15,819 S15: the grand jury of our peers, People, ordinary citizens empaneled 692 00:36:15,820 --> 00:36:19,299 S15: to hear the evidence, not just a piece of paper, decided. Yeah. 693 00:36:19,300 --> 00:36:22,540 S15: There's grounds to prosecute Don lemon. He wasn't a journalist. 694 00:36:22,580 --> 00:36:25,420 S15: He was an activist. He was an operative who was 695 00:36:25,420 --> 00:36:28,100 S15: violating the civil rights of the people in that church. 696 00:36:28,540 --> 00:36:30,740 S1: When we come back, I want you to hear from 697 00:36:30,739 --> 00:36:34,260 S1: the lead pastor of Cities Church himself. Obviously, they've gotten 698 00:36:34,260 --> 00:36:37,180 S1: legal representation now because they want their rights to be 699 00:36:37,180 --> 00:36:39,700 S1: protected as well. Same thing John MacArthur did. He had 700 00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:42,339 S1: to get legal representation when he said, no, we're not 701 00:36:42,340 --> 00:36:44,900 S1: closing because of Covid. So we're going to give you 702 00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:46,779 S1: some closing thoughts on the other side of this break 703 00:36:46,780 --> 00:37:11,500 S1: as well. Stick around back after this. So we are 704 00:37:11,500 --> 00:37:14,540 S1: reporting on this story. That really raises a lot of 705 00:37:14,540 --> 00:37:17,740 S1: serious questions about religious liberty in this country. And what 706 00:37:17,739 --> 00:37:20,900 S1: is the First Amendment. So now we know that Don lemon, 707 00:37:21,260 --> 00:37:23,900 S1: who worked for a time at CNN, he was fired 708 00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:26,700 S1: in 2023. Now he has a podcast called the Don 709 00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:30,020 S1: Lemon Show, quote, that constitutes him being a, quote, journalist. 710 00:37:30,340 --> 00:37:33,140 S1: He was charged with conspiracy and interfering with the First 711 00:37:33,140 --> 00:37:37,060 S1: Amendment rights of worshippers during a January 18th protest at 712 00:37:37,060 --> 00:37:40,420 S1: the city's church in Saint Paul, Minnesota, where a U.S. 713 00:37:40,460 --> 00:37:46,220 S1: Immigrations and Customs Enforcement officer that's Ice serves as a pastor. Uh, 714 00:37:46,219 --> 00:37:51,939 S1: another journalist and two protest participants were also arrested as well. Um, 715 00:37:52,380 --> 00:37:54,819 S1: it's so the church now has had to respond. They 716 00:37:54,820 --> 00:37:57,700 S1: want some answers to their questions. They want to protect themselves. 717 00:37:57,739 --> 00:38:00,459 S1: First of all, the person who is alleged to be 718 00:38:00,460 --> 00:38:02,980 S1: employed by Ice has the liberty to work there, just 719 00:38:02,980 --> 00:38:06,700 S1: like I would decry. I'll give you a classic example 720 00:38:06,700 --> 00:38:09,220 S1: I would decry if you knew that there was somebody 721 00:38:09,219 --> 00:38:12,540 S1: at a church who worked and ran a Planned Parenthood clinic. 722 00:38:12,780 --> 00:38:16,060 S1: I would decry pro-lifers coming in and disrupting whatever church 723 00:38:16,060 --> 00:38:20,339 S1: service that person was attending for exactly the same reasons. 724 00:38:20,460 --> 00:38:22,940 S1: If it's right and true and good, and applies to 725 00:38:22,940 --> 00:38:24,859 S1: all people in all times and all places, you should 726 00:38:24,860 --> 00:38:27,540 S1: be able to flip the hypotheticals around and it should 727 00:38:27,540 --> 00:38:29,420 S1: still be able to work if it's a right and 728 00:38:29,420 --> 00:38:32,180 S1: good and true principle. So the principle here is their 729 00:38:32,180 --> 00:38:35,180 S1: freedom to worship had been violated. And so now the 730 00:38:35,180 --> 00:38:38,300 S1: church has gotten some lawyers to protect them. And Jonathan 731 00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:40,899 S1: Parnell showed up and talked to Griff Jenkins on Fox News. 732 00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:42,020 S1: And he had this to say. 733 00:38:42,380 --> 00:38:47,739 S17: Some of those agitators really physically getting in your space 734 00:38:47,739 --> 00:38:52,020 S17: and shoving you, that included Don lemon. Do you have 735 00:38:52,020 --> 00:38:54,060 S17: any message directly for Don lemon? 736 00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:58,300 S13: You know, my message for for Don lemon. My message 737 00:38:58,300 --> 00:39:02,259 S13: for the agitators is that one thing I think that 738 00:39:02,260 --> 00:39:04,100 S13: we have in common with at least some of the 739 00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:07,820 S13: people who came into our building, is that we're heartbroken 740 00:39:07,820 --> 00:39:10,299 S13: over what's happening in our cities right now. There's a 741 00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:13,380 S13: lot of pain in our cities, and we we need healing. 742 00:39:13,420 --> 00:39:16,180 S13: We're asking for God to send healing. And we believe 743 00:39:16,180 --> 00:39:20,060 S13: that healing comes ultimately in Jesus Christ. And so what 744 00:39:20,060 --> 00:39:22,939 S13: I preach, what we preach, is that God so loved 745 00:39:22,940 --> 00:39:25,299 S13: the world that he sent his only begotten son, that 746 00:39:25,340 --> 00:39:29,060 S13: whoever believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life. 747 00:39:29,060 --> 00:39:31,900 S13: And so my message to those agitators, my message to 748 00:39:31,940 --> 00:39:34,300 S13: the governor of our state, to the state attorney general, 749 00:39:34,340 --> 00:39:37,299 S13: my message to both mayors of our cities is to 750 00:39:37,340 --> 00:39:40,860 S13: turn from your sin, trust in Jesus Christ and be saved. 751 00:39:40,860 --> 00:39:41,940 S13: He is our only hope. 752 00:39:42,980 --> 00:39:45,339 S1: This is the power of Joseph's prayer. They may have 753 00:39:45,340 --> 00:39:47,620 S1: meant it for evil, but God meant it for good. 754 00:39:47,660 --> 00:39:51,100 S1: So now Jonathan Parnell from his city's church is able 755 00:39:51,100 --> 00:39:55,860 S1: to proclaim the gospel message on an international platform. That's God. 756 00:39:55,860 --> 00:39:58,739 S1: Something like that doesn't happen by accident. That's God. And 757 00:39:58,739 --> 00:40:01,060 S1: by the way, you can go to the beliefs tab 758 00:40:01,060 --> 00:40:06,540 S1: on cities, church, bedrock, solid biblical theology, talking about the 759 00:40:06,540 --> 00:40:08,950 S1: inerrancy of the Word of God, the definition and power 760 00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:11,910 S1: of the Trinity, God the Father, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, 761 00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:16,989 S1: the human condition and salvation, marriage and sexuality, the church baptism, 762 00:40:16,989 --> 00:40:19,750 S1: the Lord's Supper, and in the end, where the world 763 00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:21,989 S1: is divided into two camps, those who said yes and 764 00:40:21,989 --> 00:40:25,469 S1: those who said no. So no questions whatsoever. This was 765 00:40:25,469 --> 00:40:29,469 S1: a bedrock, solid, Bible believing church, and now they have 766 00:40:29,469 --> 00:40:31,910 S1: to decide what they're going to do going forward. And Craig, 767 00:40:31,950 --> 00:40:34,989 S1: it creates an interesting conundrum. As I said before, this 768 00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:38,390 S1: individual is alleged to be working for Ice. Everybody in 769 00:40:38,430 --> 00:40:40,469 S1: that church has the liberty to be able to go 770 00:40:40,510 --> 00:40:43,630 S1: work for whomever they want to, under the presumed idea 771 00:40:43,630 --> 00:40:45,589 S1: that you want to put bread on your table and 772 00:40:45,590 --> 00:40:48,589 S1: look well to the ways of your household, just because 773 00:40:48,590 --> 00:40:51,310 S1: you happen to have a particular position on ice. And 774 00:40:51,310 --> 00:40:54,149 S1: it happens to be, quote, anti ice, the term du 775 00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:57,270 S1: jour that's getting thrown around doesn't give you the license 776 00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:59,149 S1: to go into a church where a person works. Are 777 00:40:59,150 --> 00:41:01,350 S1: you going to then go to the employment rosters of 778 00:41:01,350 --> 00:41:04,750 S1: some organization with whom you have aught, and feel that 779 00:41:04,750 --> 00:41:08,229 S1: you can take the law into your own hands and 780 00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:11,830 S1: disrupt somebody else's First Amendment rights, because it's contrary to 781 00:41:11,870 --> 00:41:14,830 S1: your particular worldview. I found it interesting because one of 782 00:41:14,830 --> 00:41:17,590 S1: the questions lemon raised when he was going after someone 783 00:41:18,030 --> 00:41:20,550 S1: with his microphone was, don't they have the right to 784 00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:24,390 S1: constitutional protections? And I thought, well, that's a paradox in 785 00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:27,950 S1: front of a microphone. The Constitution gives these people the 786 00:41:27,950 --> 00:41:30,350 S1: right to be left alone to worship as they see fit. 787 00:41:30,350 --> 00:41:31,110 S1: Your thoughts? 788 00:41:31,310 --> 00:41:34,589 S15: Well, it was not only intimidation. And by the way, 789 00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:38,590 S15: the criminal statute that I cited before 18 United States 790 00:41:38,590 --> 00:41:41,870 S15: Code 241 makes it a crime for a conspiracy of 791 00:41:41,870 --> 00:41:44,870 S15: two or more persons to deliberately try to interfere with 792 00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:48,350 S15: someone's free exercise of constitutional rights in a variety of ways. 793 00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:51,630 S15: Number one worship, obviously free exercise of religion, was involved 794 00:41:51,630 --> 00:41:55,310 S15: in a house of worship. But also there's a secondary 795 00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:59,549 S15: message that they were that the mob was trying to convey. 796 00:41:59,790 --> 00:42:02,430 S15: If you work for Ice, we're going to come get you. 797 00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:06,830 S15: So the message is don't work for a federal agency 798 00:42:06,830 --> 00:42:10,989 S15: like Ice. That also is an intimidation tactic to get 799 00:42:10,989 --> 00:42:13,989 S15: people not to work for certain branches of the federal government, 800 00:42:13,989 --> 00:42:16,589 S15: because we'll come into the church, we'll find you, and 801 00:42:16,590 --> 00:42:20,670 S15: we will cause, you know, a riot and try to 802 00:42:20,670 --> 00:42:25,230 S15: intimidate you out of working for those kind of federal agencies. So, uh, 803 00:42:25,230 --> 00:42:29,430 S15: on multiple levels, it was wrong. It was criminal. The 804 00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:33,590 S15: bigger issue, I think, was shown in your comments and 805 00:42:33,590 --> 00:42:37,350 S15: in the statements of the pastor about why this church 806 00:42:37,350 --> 00:42:40,069 S15: is there and what their primary mission is, and that 807 00:42:40,070 --> 00:42:42,710 S15: is the message of Christ. And yes, there's a whole 808 00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:46,870 S15: lot of confusion and injury and even death occurring up 809 00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:51,190 S15: there in Minnesota over the issue of immigration. And nobody 810 00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:54,670 S15: should want that. Everyone should try to reasonably find a 811 00:42:54,670 --> 00:42:59,910 S15: solution to that. But a solution doesn't include going into 812 00:42:59,950 --> 00:43:04,509 S15: churches and harassing and intimidating people in the exercise of 813 00:43:04,510 --> 00:43:08,990 S15: their religious liberties. Liberty is so precious that the founding 814 00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:13,350 S15: of our nation was in large part based on that. Uh, 815 00:43:13,630 --> 00:43:17,229 S15: that's not right. That's not the right, uh, strategy to use. 816 00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:19,350 S15: And and I think we ought to condemn it. We 817 00:43:19,350 --> 00:43:21,510 S15: all we ought to say, look, let's have a debate. 818 00:43:21,550 --> 00:43:24,430 S15: Let's have a civil debate. But meanwhile, let those who 819 00:43:24,430 --> 00:43:29,029 S15: want to worship worship free of intimidation, harassment or violence. 820 00:43:29,590 --> 00:43:31,549 S1: I was going to ask you, what's the watchword for 821 00:43:31,550 --> 00:43:33,390 S1: the church? But I think you just gave it to us. 822 00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:35,670 S1: You know, God hasn't given us a spirit of fear, 823 00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:39,069 S1: but power, love and sound mind. So what? How do 824 00:43:39,110 --> 00:43:42,310 S1: churches generally have to approach this, knowing now that there 825 00:43:42,310 --> 00:43:45,350 S1: isn't a church among us? Bible believing, exalting the Lord, 826 00:43:45,350 --> 00:43:48,870 S1: holding his word out, lifting his name up, who might 827 00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:51,069 S1: not become subject to something like this? What should our 828 00:43:51,070 --> 00:43:51,750 S1: approach be? 829 00:43:51,950 --> 00:43:54,870 S15: Well, I think the apostle Paul to the Corinthians, to 830 00:43:54,910 --> 00:43:58,229 S15: the Corinthian church said it all. He said, number one, 831 00:43:58,270 --> 00:44:02,469 S15: be bold. But number two, do everything in love. If 832 00:44:02,510 --> 00:44:05,960 S15: you do those two things, speak the truth in love. 833 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,560 S15: Be bold about it, but make sure it's loving. And 834 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,680 S15: I think we heard that on your broadcast today from 835 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,160 S15: the pastor of that church and members of that church. 836 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,719 S15: Then you're doing well. I think God will bless you. 837 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,439 S1: So pray for Cities Church in Saint Paul, Minnesota. Pray 838 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,640 S1: for Pastor Jonathan Parnell. Uh, they still have a long 839 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,760 S1: way to go. They want to make sure that their 840 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,439 S1: sheep are comfortable in going back to church again, where 841 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,240 S1: the name of Jesus can be lifted up. And again, 842 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,120 S1: let me just end with this proclamation that CNN will 843 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,520 S1: not put a bullet out on today. But I will 844 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,720 S1: remember that he's still sitting on the throne, and greater 845 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,000 S1: is he that is in us than he that is 846 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,640 S1: in the world. We've been called for such a time 847 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,799 S1: as this. Good is called evil. Evil is called good, 848 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,120 S1: and people are doing what is absolutely right in their 849 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,799 S1: own eyes. And that's exactly where God wants his people 850 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,000 S1: right now. Now go out and influence. We'll see you 851 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:57,880 S1: next time, friends.