WEBVTT - Hour 1: So The Next Generation Will Know 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.800 Hi friend, thank you so much for downloading this podcast 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:06.920 and I truly hope you hear something that edifies encourage, equips, enlightens, 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:09.520 and then gets you out there in the marketplace of ideas. 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:11.440 But before you go, I want to tell you about 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:14.680 this month's truth tool. It's called Have You Ever Wondered? 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:17.720 And I absolutely love this topic because if you're like me, 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:19.600 going out into the night sky and looking up and 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:22.439 seeing a million stars, don't you just stop and think 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:24.560 about God? And are you not in a moment of 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:27.960 awe and wonder or looking out over the vast expanse 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:30.600 of an ocean and you start thinking, what is man, 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:32.800 that thou art mindful of him? And it makes you 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:36.240 wonder about the magnificence of God? I think that sense 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.480 of wonder was put there on purpose, and this wonderful 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.720 book includes a composite of multiple authors who have written 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.879 from their perspective as a scientist, or a historian, or 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.160 a mathematician or an artist, on why they all have 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:51.599 this sense of awe through the work that they do. 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.120 In other words, the heavens declare the glory. And as 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:56.440 it tells us in Romans, we are really without excuse 0:00:56.440 --> 0:01:00.150 because his handiwork is everywhere. And this book invites you 0:01:00.150 --> 0:01:03.550 to walk through the chapters written by people who all 0:01:03.550 --> 0:01:06.310 have a sense of awe and wonder when it comes 0:01:06.310 --> 0:01:09.110 to God through their various disciplines in life. It's an 0:01:09.110 --> 0:01:11.430 amazing book and it's yours. For a gift of any amount, 0:01:11.430 --> 0:01:16.270 just call 877 Janet 58. That's 877 Janet 58. Ask 0:01:16.270 --> 0:01:19.150 for a copy of Have You Ever Wondered? And we'll 0:01:19.150 --> 0:01:20.390 send it right off to you as my way of 0:01:20.390 --> 0:01:22.950 saying thank you, because we are listener supported radio. Or 0:01:22.950 --> 0:01:25.350 you can go online to in the market with Janet Parshall. 0:01:26.550 --> 0:01:29.389 When you're also on the website, consider becoming a partial partner. 0:01:29.390 --> 0:01:31.630 Those are people who give every single month at a 0:01:31.630 --> 0:01:34.110 level of their own choosing. 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The president won a pledge. 0:02:14.060 --> 0:02:16.100 Americans worshiping government over God. 0:02:16.460 --> 0:02:19.820 Extremely rare safety move by a major 17 years. 0:02:19.860 --> 0:02:22.380 The Palestinians and Israelis negotiated every time. 0:02:23.580 --> 0:02:24.300 We hear a lot of. 0:02:38.419 --> 0:02:42.220 Who do you hear all that cacophony in the marketplace 0:02:42.220 --> 0:02:44.580 of ideas. My oh my, oh my, what a busy, 0:02:44.580 --> 0:02:47.940 bustling place that is. But John Bunyan was right. He 0:02:47.940 --> 0:02:50.580 said we must needs pass through it. No detours around 0:02:50.580 --> 0:02:52.940 the marketplace of ideas. Right smack dab in the middle. 0:02:52.940 --> 0:02:55.620 And you know what? I think it's pretty safe to 0:02:55.620 --> 0:02:58.609 say that one of the busiest booths in the marketplace 0:02:58.610 --> 0:03:01.410 is going to be the booth called religion. Notice I 0:03:01.410 --> 0:03:04.250 didn't say Christianity, I said religion. All kinds of people 0:03:04.250 --> 0:03:06.570 are going to stop by and they're going to check 0:03:06.570 --> 0:03:08.250 it out, and some are going to stay and linger 0:03:08.250 --> 0:03:10.810 and others are going to move on. But I'll tell 0:03:10.810 --> 0:03:13.290 you what, Christian and faithful had the right response after 0:03:13.290 --> 0:03:17.130 getting over their embarrassment of being recognized. They said, we 0:03:17.130 --> 0:03:20.810 only buy the truth. Uh oh. Two presuppositions in that declaration. 0:03:20.850 --> 0:03:24.250 A they could tell truth from falsehood, and b somebody 0:03:24.250 --> 0:03:27.490 was already there handing out the truth. That's you and me. 0:03:27.490 --> 0:03:32.730 So should Jesus tarry? The gospel needs to go forward. 0:03:32.730 --> 0:03:35.290 By the way, that is not a special gifting or 0:03:35.330 --> 0:03:38.210 a special calling. Go and tell is about as universal 0:03:38.250 --> 0:03:41.250 a directive as any Christ follower can get. But we don't. 0:03:41.410 --> 0:03:43.210 We're going to get into some of the reasons why 0:03:43.210 --> 0:03:46.330 in a little bit. But in particular, focus this hour 0:03:46.370 --> 0:03:48.410 is going to be that up and coming generation. How 0:03:48.410 --> 0:03:50.770 do we train them? Because, you know, if you don't 0:03:50.810 --> 0:03:53.970 train them, here's what's going to happen. Colossians A whole 0:03:53.970 --> 0:03:55.839 lot of people are going to be taken captive through 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:59.640 vain and hollow philosophies predicated on this world, rather than 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.240 the Word of God. So how do we train young 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:05.520 Christians to contend for the faith to know? As Doctor 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:07.680 Paul Little said so long ago and so rightly, what 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:11.040 we believe and why we believe it. By the way, 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:14.280 that kind of applies for the older generations as well. 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:18.880 So we're going to talk with two excellent apologists this hour. 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.080 I'm so excited. Can you tell we're going to talk 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:22.880 to two apologists who are going to tell us how 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.400 we can train young Christians in a challenging world. They've 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:29.520 jointly written a book called so the Next Generation Will Know. 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:31.239 We're going to open the phone lines for your questions 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:32.680 as well. But first, I want to get into this 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:36.200 conversation with Doctor Sean McDowell. Yeah. You know who his 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.640 daddy is? He's a best selling author, co-author, director, editor 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.440 of more than 18 books, including Is God Just a 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:45.600 Human Invention and Evidence That Demands a Verdict? Yeah, he 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:48.040 did write that with his dad. He's also an associate 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:51.680 professor of apologetics at Talbot School of Theology. Biola University 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.390 blogs regularly, and I've got a link to all of 0:04:54.430 --> 0:04:56.190 that on my website, so you can check that out. 0:04:56.190 --> 0:04:59.109 And J. Warner Wallace is with us. A cold case 0:04:59.110 --> 0:05:02.790 homicide detective, a speaker and an author. Former atheist. Let 0:05:02.790 --> 0:05:05.390 the record reflect. Senior fellow at the Colson Center for 0:05:05.390 --> 0:05:09.430 Christian Worldview, adjunct professor of apologetics at Biola, and a 0:05:09.430 --> 0:05:13.109 faculty member at Summit Ministries. And, by the way, Jay 0:05:13.150 --> 0:05:16.270 Warner and Susie Wallace. Jim, as he's known to his 0:05:16.270 --> 0:05:19.550 wife and friends, also write popular apologetics books for kids. 0:05:19.550 --> 0:05:22.750 And they also created the award winning Case Makers Academy. 0:05:22.790 --> 0:05:25.070 What else would you think a cold case worker would do? 0:05:25.270 --> 0:05:27.950 These two brilliant minds together have put together this book 0:05:27.950 --> 0:05:32.110 called So the Next Generation Will know. I am so excited, gentlemen, 0:05:32.110 --> 0:05:34.470 the warmest of welcomes. I'm so glad both of you 0:05:34.510 --> 0:05:36.510 are here. And, Sean, I got to start with you. 0:05:36.550 --> 0:05:39.950 Really chilling data. We do some science studies, and we 0:05:39.990 --> 0:05:43.510 find out that not only do the up and coming 0:05:43.510 --> 0:05:47.550 generation not respond to that directive to go and tell, 0:05:47.750 --> 0:05:49.670 but they've taken it one step further. So many of 0:05:49.670 --> 0:05:53.580 them think that it's Right. Uh oh. Houston, we have 0:05:53.580 --> 0:05:55.060 a problem. What's going on here? 0:05:55.500 --> 0:05:57.860 Well, I think we're starting to see a different way 0:05:57.860 --> 0:06:00.779 of thinking with this generation where one of the leading 0:06:00.779 --> 0:06:05.100 priorities or values that we see is this idea of inclusiveness, 0:06:05.300 --> 0:06:06.980 that you don't want to tell anybody that they're wrong, 0:06:06.980 --> 0:06:09.420 don't want to tell anybody that they don't belong. And 0:06:09.460 --> 0:06:12.100 of course, at the heart of the gospel is the 0:06:12.100 --> 0:06:16.020 idea that Christianity is uniquely true. And you have to 0:06:16.060 --> 0:06:19.820 believe in Jesus. This certainly isn't the case for every 0:06:19.820 --> 0:06:23.580 millennial or every Gen X'er, but we're seeing this broader 0:06:23.580 --> 0:06:27.980 cultural commitment and push towards ideas that are just running 0:06:27.980 --> 0:06:32.460 deeper and deeper against the grains of Christianity. And it's 0:06:32.460 --> 0:06:34.860 putting some of this generation in tension, so much so 0:06:34.860 --> 0:06:38.140 that the study you're citing that now, a significant percentage, 0:06:38.140 --> 0:06:40.339 if not a majority, I believe, in the recent Barna 0:06:40.339 --> 0:06:44.179 study of millennials said it's actually wrong to evangelize because 0:06:44.180 --> 0:06:48.020 in evangelizing, you're telling somebody they're wrong and mistaken about 0:06:48.020 --> 0:06:49.860 their deepest religious beliefs. 0:06:50.210 --> 0:06:54.210 So, Jim, let me turn to you. 2016 Oxford Dictionary 0:06:54.210 --> 0:06:57.810 word of the year. Post-truth. Well, that's also problematic, Sean. 0:06:57.810 --> 0:07:01.130 Just hearken on finding truth. So in a post-truth world, 0:07:01.370 --> 0:07:04.010 truth is no longer that missing link that you've been 0:07:04.010 --> 0:07:07.450 looking for. Ah, that's the answer I've been looking for. 0:07:07.610 --> 0:07:09.970 Now the response is, that's your truth. That's not my truth. 0:07:09.970 --> 0:07:12.570 And I don't feel good about it because I don't 0:07:12.570 --> 0:07:15.370 like the way your truth makes some of my friends feel. 0:07:15.410 --> 0:07:18.850 Going to Sean's idea of inclusiveness. That's new. How much 0:07:18.850 --> 0:07:20.010 is that a game changer? 0:07:20.450 --> 0:07:22.330 Well, I think it can be. Now, look, it's about 0:07:22.330 --> 0:07:25.210 where or how we ground truth. How do we? Everyone 0:07:25.210 --> 0:07:27.930 believes in certain principles. I mean, it's impossible to get 0:07:27.930 --> 0:07:31.130 away from that. The question is, are these grounded entirely 0:07:31.130 --> 0:07:35.450 in your own subjective experience, or are there some claims 0:07:35.450 --> 0:07:40.410 that transcend your subjective experience? And they are grounded in 0:07:40.410 --> 0:07:44.130 the object itself. We call these objective truth claims. And 0:07:44.130 --> 0:07:45.370 so I think for a lot of us, this is 0:07:45.370 --> 0:07:48.880 a generation that is enamored with storytelling and narrative. I mean, 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.400 we all have been over the years. This isn't unique 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.320 to Gen Z, but certainly if you look at how 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:58.120 truth claims are made to this generation, a largely digital 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:04.679 generation that watches videos, narratives and personal stories rule the day. 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:07.680 So I think we can still navigate claims that are 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:10.800 objective claims like Christianity, but I think we're going to 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:14.520 have to be sensitive to the idea that storytelling is 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:17.480 going to reign supreme, right? But even then, there are 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:20.680 some things that transcend our individual stories. Look, I always 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:22.720 worry about it. I think about it a lot because 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:24.480 I always think, well, look, am I going to be 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:27.600 able to impanel a jury, given what I've been used 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:30.600 to doing over the last 30 years? How will we 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:33.240 impanel juries going forward when the claims we're going to 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:38.079 be making to the jurors are that something objectively happened 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:42.199 in this crime that transcends your feelings about the crime? 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.079 And I think that we are that's I think, where 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:46.950 the rubber is going to meet the road for me 0:08:47.110 --> 0:08:50.230 is are we even raising a generation that could serve 0:08:50.270 --> 0:08:52.630 on a jury? I think we are. But I think 0:08:52.630 --> 0:08:54.750 it's going to mean we're going to have to maybe 0:08:54.990 --> 0:08:58.990 tweak the way we're approaching truth claims and storytelling and 0:08:58.990 --> 0:09:00.110 making the case. 0:09:00.150 --> 0:09:01.510 All right, let me take a break here, because I 0:09:01.510 --> 0:09:03.470 want to dig into what you just said. I think 0:09:03.470 --> 0:09:07.429 it's very insightful, but it's further defining what the challenge 0:09:07.429 --> 0:09:09.910 and the opportunity is for us, particularly when we talk 0:09:09.950 --> 0:09:13.589 about training young Christians. So Doctor Sean McDowell, J. Warner 0:09:13.630 --> 0:09:16.950 Wallace is with us. They've co-authored the book called So 0:09:17.150 --> 0:09:20.429 the Next Generation Will know Training young Christians in a 0:09:20.429 --> 0:09:24.390 challenging world, world challenging being the operative word. We're going 0:09:24.429 --> 0:09:25.910 to take a break and come right back. I will 0:09:25.910 --> 0:09:28.390 open the phones for questions later, but we'll continue right 0:09:28.390 --> 0:10:00.780 after this. So many in our culture today are spiritually 0:10:00.780 --> 0:10:03.940 curious but hesitant about religion. That's why I've chosen. Have 0:10:03.940 --> 0:10:06.700 you ever wondered, is this month's truth to explore how 0:10:06.700 --> 0:10:11.140 everyday experiences might be the signpost pointing to deeper biblical truths? 0:10:11.179 --> 0:10:13.340 As for your copy of have you ever wondered when 0:10:13.340 --> 0:10:15.420 you give a gift of any amount to in the market, 0:10:15.420 --> 0:10:20.340 call 877 Janet 58. That's 877 Janet 58 or go 0:10:20.340 --> 0:10:29.460 to in the market with Janet Parshall. Sean McDowell and J. 0:10:29.500 --> 0:10:31.939 Warner Wallace are with us together. They have jointly authored 0:10:31.940 --> 0:10:34.860 the book so the Next Generation Will Know training young 0:10:34.860 --> 0:10:38.380 Christians in a Challenging World. So you look at the statistics, 0:10:38.380 --> 0:10:41.100 the data out there, you're seeing younger people leaving the 0:10:41.100 --> 0:10:43.220 church in droves. What what are we not doing right? 0:10:43.220 --> 0:10:45.250 What do we need to do? How do we need 0:10:45.250 --> 0:10:48.209 to redo our thinking on this? Not change the message, 0:10:48.210 --> 0:10:51.890 but change the methodology? That really is the challenge before us. So, Sean, 0:10:51.890 --> 0:10:53.290 let me turn to you picking up on what Jim 0:10:53.290 --> 0:10:56.090 just said. So the battle that rages inside of us 0:10:56.090 --> 0:10:59.330 is this back and forth between the cognitive and the affective. 0:10:59.610 --> 0:11:04.209 So if post-truth is the new paradigm, it's wonderful that 0:11:04.210 --> 0:11:06.770 we have young people who care desperately about their fellow 0:11:06.770 --> 0:11:09.130 man to the point where they really want to love them. 0:11:09.130 --> 0:11:11.410 And that seems to be the superseding value in all 0:11:11.450 --> 0:11:13.810 of this. But at some point, as somebody said to 0:11:13.850 --> 0:11:16.010 me once, a long time ago, you can love somebody 0:11:16.010 --> 0:11:18.090 to death. So how do we make sure that we 0:11:18.090 --> 0:11:21.209 strike that balance between loving someone and finding out that 0:11:21.490 --> 0:11:24.930 love and truth are not mutually exclusive ideas? In fact, 0:11:24.929 --> 0:11:27.410 they're ideas that work in perfect harmony together. 0:11:28.490 --> 0:11:30.530 I think that's a great question. In fact, when we 0:11:30.530 --> 0:11:33.410 look in Scripture, we see that Jesus came in grace 0:11:33.410 --> 0:11:35.450 and he came in truth. And I think today we 0:11:35.450 --> 0:11:38.090 make two mistakes. Either we say, I'm just going to 0:11:38.090 --> 0:11:41.970 speak truth without care of whether or not my claims 0:11:41.970 --> 0:11:45.520 that I'm making hurt somebody's relationships or their feelings. And 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:47.480 on the flip side, there's other people who say, you 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:51.240 know what, maybe we need to just compromise truth because 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:54.360 that's the loving thing to do. Both of those are 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:57.520 a huge mistake. And I found that this generation, if 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:00.600 we approach them in the right way, if we're fair minded, 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:04.360 if we're gracious and relational and we've done our homework 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:07.920 and have a certain attitude, they're open to hearing truth. 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:09.920 We just have to present it in a way that 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:13.040 resonates with this generation and make sure that we're not 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:16.600 unnecessarily turning them away from the gospel that has something 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.960 to do with our attitude rather than the truth itself. 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:23.160 Yeah. Excellent point. So, Jim, why are young people turned off? 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:26.040 What is it about what they're hearing in church and 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:29.080 biblical truth that's turning them off and making them leave? 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.120 Well, I don't know if there's any particular one thing. 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:33.640 I think what we try to do is to list 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.120 the attributes that have been pulled now over the last 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:39.000 couple of years related to Gen Z, and we see 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:42.510 certain patterns and rhythms that kind of are revealed by 0:12:42.510 --> 0:12:46.630 the way the people pull and try to describe this generation. 0:12:46.870 --> 0:12:49.150 And I would say that there's one thing that we, 0:12:49.270 --> 0:12:50.910 of course, what we're trying to do in our book 0:12:50.950 --> 0:12:55.949 is to give you simple, practical, accessible tools, strategies you 0:12:55.950 --> 0:12:59.069 can adopt right away and employ right away. Whether you 0:12:59.070 --> 0:13:02.030 are a parent, a youth pastor, or a Christian educator, 0:13:02.070 --> 0:13:03.510 because those are the three groups that I think are 0:13:03.510 --> 0:13:06.390 going to spend time with the next generation, raising them 0:13:06.390 --> 0:13:08.870 in the faith. So I'll give you one approach that 0:13:08.870 --> 0:13:11.390 I think does capture this question. What are young people 0:13:11.390 --> 0:13:14.390 interested in? What is it? Maybe it's lacking in our teaching. 0:13:14.429 --> 0:13:15.870 And this is something that Sean and I talk about 0:13:15.910 --> 0:13:18.150 in one of the chapters is that if we just 0:13:18.150 --> 0:13:22.670 shifted from giving just what is true, making claims about 0:13:22.670 --> 0:13:26.390 what is true, to providing two whys for every what 0:13:26.870 --> 0:13:28.910 you will see a change in the way young people 0:13:28.910 --> 0:13:32.030 receive what we're saying, and in the kind of relationships 0:13:32.030 --> 0:13:34.590 we will develop with young people as we're sharing truth. 0:13:34.950 --> 0:13:36.550 So what we would say is in the past, we 0:13:36.550 --> 0:13:38.390 might say, we give you a what? What is true? 0:13:38.429 --> 0:13:40.260 We're teaching from the Bible, let's say as a youth 0:13:40.260 --> 0:13:42.540 pastor or you're having a conversation with your own kids 0:13:42.540 --> 0:13:45.300 and you'll make a claim that you know is biblically true, 0:13:45.300 --> 0:13:48.579 it's a theologically sound claim. It's a what? Here's what 0:13:48.580 --> 0:13:50.339 is true about the nature of Jesus. What is true 0:13:50.340 --> 0:13:53.339 about morality based on Christian worldview? Whatever the claim may be, 0:13:53.900 --> 0:13:57.700 young people want to know the two whys for every what, 0:13:57.860 --> 0:14:00.220 and we often don't even go there. The first why 0:14:00.220 --> 0:14:03.140 is okay? Why is that true? Give me some reason 0:14:03.140 --> 0:14:06.099 that's beyond oh, it just says so in the Bible, 0:14:06.340 --> 0:14:08.820 which of course, you and I would say that's sufficient reason, 0:14:08.820 --> 0:14:11.340 but but young people want to know because they're surrounded 0:14:11.340 --> 0:14:14.420 by other voices on the internet. Give me a why. 0:14:14.460 --> 0:14:16.620 Why should I believe that? Can you make a case 0:14:16.620 --> 0:14:18.540 for that? And that's where we want to be able 0:14:18.540 --> 0:14:20.380 to take the extra step and give that first why. 0:14:20.420 --> 0:14:22.540 But the second, why probably in some ways is more 0:14:22.540 --> 0:14:25.900 important than the first. Why? And that is okay, fine. 0:14:25.900 --> 0:14:29.220 You make this claim and you can tell me why 0:14:29.260 --> 0:14:32.860 that claim should be supported. Fine. Now tell me, why 0:14:32.860 --> 0:14:35.340 should I care what what what does it have to 0:14:35.340 --> 0:14:39.450 do with me in 2019. What is this ancient claim? 0:14:39.490 --> 0:14:41.850 Either it's about behavior, about the nature of God, especially 0:14:41.850 --> 0:14:44.250 the claims that seem to be about the nature of God. 0:14:44.450 --> 0:14:47.450 Why do I care? I mean, how does that impact me? Well, 0:14:47.450 --> 0:14:50.730 I think those two whys are at the root of 0:14:50.730 --> 0:14:53.890 what will engage this generation. Because don't think for a 0:14:53.890 --> 0:14:57.090 second that the that the voices that are out there 0:14:57.130 --> 0:15:00.090 in the digital age are not providing the two whys 0:15:00.090 --> 0:15:03.610 for their what they are. They're actually suggesting that they're 0:15:03.850 --> 0:15:07.010 what's are the only things that can be supported by 0:15:07.010 --> 0:15:10.170 the two whys, and that your theological what says Christians 0:15:10.170 --> 0:15:12.490 are just fairy tales that can't be supported. You can't 0:15:12.490 --> 0:15:14.850 make it. You can't can't give two whys for every 0:15:14.890 --> 0:15:17.330 one over on that side. That's not actually true. And 0:15:17.330 --> 0:15:18.810 I think our young people need to know that. 0:15:19.250 --> 0:15:22.290 Wow. Wow. So, Sean, let me ask you, we have 0:15:22.290 --> 0:15:24.290 mature Christians. Let me put it that way. In terms 0:15:24.290 --> 0:15:27.010 of demographics, we have mature Christians. I hearken back to 0:15:27.050 --> 0:15:29.610 Paul Little before who don't know what they believe and 0:15:29.610 --> 0:15:31.850 why they believe it, who truly subscribed to the idea. 0:15:31.850 --> 0:15:36.360 The Bible says it. That settles it. I'm fine. That's wonderful. 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:38.760 And I believe that to the marrow of my bone. 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:40.360 But if I'm going to be all things to all people, 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:42.560 by all means, so that some might be saved in 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.520 this world, in this age, that doesn't work anymore, because, 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:48.840 as Jim just alluded to, there's a saturation of information 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:51.760 out there, and people are not going to be able 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:53.600 to know what they believe or to contend for what 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:55.640 they believe, unless they know why they believe it. So 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:58.080 now we've got not just the what we've got two eyes. 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:01.040 That's an extra couple of layers of having to contend 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.200 for the faith that people have not been doing up 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:06.960 to this point. Take the paradigm that Jim just talked about. 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:08.840 Drop it in the context of a practical. Give me 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.760 an example of how I would use the what and 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:13.880 two whys in talking to a young person. 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.600 Well, I was recently speaking at a conference on the weekend, 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.440 an entire weekend on sexual purity and pornography at a 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:23.120 church with my dad. About 5 or 600 people came, 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:26.480 and a mom had brought her son to come. He 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:29.240 was about 13 years old, and he came up to 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:32.200 me afterwards and he said, thank you for explaining why 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:36.110 pornography is bad AD, and why God designed sex to 0:16:36.110 --> 0:16:39.390 be between one man and one woman for life. I've 0:16:39.390 --> 0:16:44.110 always heard this was bad, but nobody explained to me why. Well, 0:16:44.150 --> 0:16:47.270 think about that. In previous generations, like you mentioned, it 0:16:47.270 --> 0:16:49.870 was kind of fine not to do that because the 0:16:49.870 --> 0:16:53.750 culture didn't always live Christian principles, but at least had 0:16:53.750 --> 0:16:56.790 the idea that Christian principles were good and you should 0:16:56.830 --> 0:16:59.990 broadly follow them. Well, this 1213 year old kid, if 0:16:59.990 --> 0:17:02.670 all he was told is don't have sex, it's bad. 0:17:02.710 --> 0:17:05.630 Believe the Bible wasn't given a why of why this 0:17:05.630 --> 0:17:08.990 is true and why it matters. That's just not a 0:17:08.990 --> 0:17:12.030 faith that is going to last. And outsiders want to 0:17:12.070 --> 0:17:15.109 know why should I consider Christianity's true? Why does the 0:17:15.109 --> 0:17:16.150 Bible teach this? 0:17:16.670 --> 0:17:19.510 Yeah. Wow. All right, roll up your sleeves. Looks like 0:17:19.510 --> 0:17:21.230 you and I are going to have to do some homework. Right? 0:17:21.230 --> 0:17:23.950 But we're supposed to study to show ourselves approved. So 0:17:23.990 --> 0:17:26.070 none of this should come as a shock. So the 0:17:26.070 --> 0:17:30.670 next generation will know. Sean McDowell and J. Warner Wallace 0:17:30.670 --> 0:17:34.100 are teaching us how we change the approach for this 0:17:34.100 --> 0:17:37.340 up and coming generation of Christians. What two eyes is 0:17:37.340 --> 0:17:45.820 that going through your mind? Questions. Good 87754836758775483675. More after this. 0:18:07.180 --> 0:18:10.780 We are visiting with Sean McDowell and J. Warner Wallace together. 0:18:10.780 --> 0:18:13.740 They've co-authored the book so the Next Generation Will know 0:18:14.020 --> 0:18:17.060 training young Christians in a Challenging world. Moms, dads, Sunday 0:18:17.060 --> 0:18:19.820 school teachers, youth pastors, anybody who has any kind of 0:18:19.820 --> 0:18:23.340 a regular connection with Millennials and Gen Zs. This is 0:18:23.340 --> 0:18:25.820 a book for you. And that raises an interesting question. 0:18:25.820 --> 0:18:28.100 I'm going to piggyback off of what Sean said, Jim. 0:18:28.460 --> 0:18:32.050 So what? And two eyes. Here's my why. Why bother? 0:18:32.090 --> 0:18:34.850 Why should we care about whether or not Gen Z 0:18:34.970 --> 0:18:36.889 and millennials have a biblical worldview? 0:18:37.570 --> 0:18:39.449 Okay, so that's a great question. And one of the 0:18:39.450 --> 0:18:41.530 first things we said when writing this book is, if 0:18:41.570 --> 0:18:45.449 you think about it, um, most of us want a 0:18:45.450 --> 0:18:48.129 future for our own kids that very, very selfishly, for 0:18:48.130 --> 0:18:51.010 a second, you know, when you were raising your kids 0:18:51.010 --> 0:18:53.570 that you made sacrifices for your own kids, and that 0:18:53.570 --> 0:18:55.490 meant you made sacrifices in terms of the choices you 0:18:55.530 --> 0:18:57.770 made at restaurants, the choices you made for your vacations, 0:18:57.770 --> 0:18:59.410 the choices you made in terms of what you did 0:18:59.410 --> 0:19:01.930 for recreation. These are things you probably did not do, 0:19:01.930 --> 0:19:04.410 the things you and your husband wanted to do. You 0:19:04.410 --> 0:19:06.010 end up doing the things that you think are right 0:19:06.010 --> 0:19:08.090 for kids because you're raising kids. So it's not going 0:19:08.090 --> 0:19:10.449 to be a French restaurant tonight. It's probably going to 0:19:10.450 --> 0:19:12.530 be something that everyone can, you know, find something on 0:19:12.530 --> 0:19:14.650 the menu and it'll be more affordable. I get all that. 0:19:14.650 --> 0:19:18.490 We make sacrifices because we think our kids are worth 0:19:18.490 --> 0:19:21.810 that kind of sacrifice. Well, the church is always described. 0:19:21.810 --> 0:19:24.409 One word describes the church in Scripture as more than 0:19:24.450 --> 0:19:26.730 probably any other word. It's this word of family. We 0:19:26.730 --> 0:19:29.800 are a family and we have got kids. They may 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:33.360 not be your biological kids, but we have kids that 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:36.639 we are raising in this context of the family called 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:39.000 the church with the big C, and I have to 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.679 make sacrifices right now in order to do what's best 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:43.280 for young people. Now you might think, okay, well, you 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:46.280 know what, though? I don't really like that style of 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:48.720 those topics for me. I don't really it does not. 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:51.560 I wouldn't choose those topics or that style of music. 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:54.480 I wouldn't choose. Well, look, you you chose what was 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:56.359 good for your kids when it came to all those 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:59.840 other aspects of your personal lives, your restaurants, your vacations, 0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:02.240 the kinds of movies you watched. I mean, for Sean, 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:04.960 I'll tell you, he will watch all the kid Marvel movies, 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:06.920 even if his kids, if he didn't have kids, he'd 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:09.440 still be watching. Okay. But for for me, I'm only 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:12.520 making those choices because of my kids. All right. So 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:15.359 for me, it's about saying, are we willing, as a church, 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:18.399 as a church family, to say that in this season 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:21.640 of raising kids, especially at a time when we are 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:25.320 seeing the large number of young people who are at 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:28.590 least tepid about their their interest in Christianity, or about 0:20:28.590 --> 0:20:31.790 their identifying, they're less likely to self-identify as a Christian 0:20:31.790 --> 0:20:35.230 than any other generation right now. Are we willing? Are 0:20:35.230 --> 0:20:37.429 you ready to submit that? Are you feeling okay about that? 0:20:37.470 --> 0:20:40.910 If I told you that 30% of all young people 0:20:41.190 --> 0:20:43.830 walk away from the church and never come back, you 0:20:43.830 --> 0:20:45.429 would say, oh, we should probably do something about that. Well, 0:20:45.430 --> 0:20:48.350 it's a lot worse than 30%. So. So are we 0:20:48.390 --> 0:20:51.070 willing to to do something to stem the tide of 0:20:51.109 --> 0:20:53.270 that departure? And if so, we have to take on 0:20:53.270 --> 0:20:56.429 the responsibility that maybe for a season that we're raising 0:20:56.430 --> 0:20:59.710 kids and we'll have to make choices that favor our, 0:20:59.710 --> 0:21:01.830 our our commitment to raising our kids. 0:21:02.350 --> 0:21:05.590 Wow. That's a challenge. And it's a good word. So, Sean, 0:21:05.590 --> 0:21:07.550 let me go back to you again, because if I 0:21:07.550 --> 0:21:09.870 stick with the paradigm of the what and the two whys, 0:21:10.190 --> 0:21:13.590 that's extremely important. And it's perfectly logical, it's perfectly correct. 0:21:13.590 --> 0:21:15.830 And on some areas it's going to be perfectly meaningless. 0:21:15.830 --> 0:21:19.190 Because if there's also a word that defines Gen Z 0:21:19.190 --> 0:21:24.950 and millennials, it's relationship. They are absolutely relational. People matter. 0:21:24.950 --> 0:21:27.020 And that's a blessing. That's a good thing. I want 0:21:27.060 --> 0:21:29.219 to figure out how to capitalize on that. But if 0:21:29.260 --> 0:21:31.060 you've given the what and the two whys like you 0:21:31.060 --> 0:21:32.980 had at that conference with your dad, and this young 0:21:32.980 --> 0:21:34.820 person comes up to you and goes, man, I get it. 0:21:34.820 --> 0:21:37.500 Now I understand why sex outside of marriage is no good. 0:21:37.500 --> 0:21:40.660 I understand now why pornography is not a good choice. 0:21:41.020 --> 0:21:44.260 And now it's not just conceptualizing, but now it's your 0:21:44.260 --> 0:21:48.940 friend Tom, who's involved in an activity that is absolutely 0:21:48.940 --> 0:21:52.380 abhorrent to what the Scripture says. Uh oh. Now the conundrum. 0:21:52.380 --> 0:21:54.500 So how do we do the what the two whys 0:21:54.820 --> 0:21:56.260 and the friendship altogether? 0:21:57.500 --> 0:21:59.419 Well, the way Jim and I, the way Jim and 0:21:59.420 --> 0:22:01.740 I frame the book is that there's two big issues 0:22:01.740 --> 0:22:04.580 we have to approach with students. And one, like you said, 0:22:04.580 --> 0:22:08.500 is relationships, the largest study ever done, Janet, that I'm 0:22:08.500 --> 0:22:13.580 aware of, 3500 people 35 years, four generations of Faith 0:22:13.580 --> 0:22:17.100 transmission by Vern Bengston at USC. And he published his 0:22:17.100 --> 0:22:21.140 book in 2013 with Oxford. They said the one factor 0:22:21.140 --> 0:22:25.449 that's most critical in passing on the faith, statistically speaking, 0:22:25.730 --> 0:22:31.090 is a warm relationship with the father. Statistically speaking, it 0:22:31.090 --> 0:22:33.690 doesn't mean the mom's not important. That's not the point. 0:22:33.690 --> 0:22:38.090 But statistically speaking, that was the game changer. Now, grandparents 0:22:38.090 --> 0:22:43.810 are important. Mentors are important. Truth is passed through relationship. 0:22:43.810 --> 0:22:45.850 That's one of the pieces. Now, the way Jim and 0:22:45.850 --> 0:22:47.890 I frame it in the book is that there's timely 0:22:47.890 --> 0:22:52.050 truths and there's timeless truths. So there are certain timeless 0:22:52.050 --> 0:22:55.370 truths about building relationships with this generation that have been 0:22:55.369 --> 0:22:58.649 true with every generation that are really not unique, just 0:22:58.650 --> 0:23:02.250 spending time with somebody, being a good listener, etc. but 0:23:02.250 --> 0:23:05.970 then there's more timely truths about the way this generation 0:23:05.970 --> 0:23:10.570 processes information. And because this is such a digital generation 0:23:10.570 --> 0:23:15.409 and a smartphone generation, learning to relate to this generation 0:23:15.450 --> 0:23:20.730 through technology or with appropriate boundaries around technology is the 0:23:20.730 --> 0:23:24.330 timely way to build relationships with them, and that doesn't 0:23:24.330 --> 0:23:26.570 mean everybody has to be an expert on Instagram and 0:23:26.570 --> 0:23:30.290 all the different apps. But learning to have boundaries, learning 0:23:30.330 --> 0:23:32.929 to communicate this way and to just think and talk 0:23:32.930 --> 0:23:36.129 and relate to a generation that sees the world through 0:23:36.130 --> 0:23:39.250 smartphones is one of the most important questions we have 0:23:39.250 --> 0:23:41.129 to ask is how to do that effectively. 0:23:41.490 --> 0:23:44.609 Wow. All right. So Sean, you and Jim, you talked 0:23:44.609 --> 0:23:47.410 about storytelling. When we come back. You devote an entire 0:23:47.410 --> 0:23:49.410 chapter to this in the book so the next generation 0:23:49.410 --> 0:23:51.729 will know. I want to talk about how we connect 0:23:51.730 --> 0:23:54.409 through all of the apps and the visual and the 0:23:54.410 --> 0:23:56.810 digital and all of the stuff, all the platform that's 0:23:56.810 --> 0:23:59.370 out there. And I also want you to answer the 0:23:59.369 --> 0:24:01.689 challenge that I know some people are thinking, because we're 0:24:01.690 --> 0:24:03.890 talking to folks from Guam to the Cayman Islands. Oh 0:24:03.890 --> 0:24:06.970 come on. You're really diluting the gospel, are you not, 0:24:06.970 --> 0:24:09.409 when you use some of those platforms. So that's where 0:24:09.410 --> 0:24:11.570 I want to go when we get back. Sean McDowell 0:24:11.570 --> 0:24:13.930 is with us, J. Warner Wallace is with us. Together 0:24:13.930 --> 0:24:16.810 they care. 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Warner. 0:25:55.190 --> 0:25:57.909 Wallace is a cold case homicide detective, a speaker and 0:25:57.910 --> 0:25:59.870 an author. He's also a senior fellow at the Colson 0:25:59.869 --> 0:26:04.630 Center for Christian Worldview and adjunct professor of apologetics at Biola. 0:26:04.910 --> 0:26:07.630 The book together, they've authored So the Next Generation Will 0:26:07.630 --> 0:26:11.190 Know training young Christians in a challenging world. So this 0:26:11.190 --> 0:26:13.910 is really about tapping into who they are and understanding 0:26:13.910 --> 0:26:17.270 how best to winsomely help them fall in love with truth, 0:26:17.270 --> 0:26:20.220 and to know how to make it attractive to them. So, Jim, 0:26:20.220 --> 0:26:21.820 you started this. Let me go to you first, which 0:26:21.820 --> 0:26:25.419 is this whole idea of storytelling. Nothing new under the sun. 0:26:25.420 --> 0:26:27.860 Jesus knew that we like stories. He told us parables. 0:26:27.859 --> 0:26:31.060 By the way, that's why Hans Christian Andersen wrote fairy tales. 0:26:31.060 --> 0:26:32.459 Who was a Christian, by the way? He knew that 0:26:32.460 --> 0:26:35.139 he could transmit truths through a good story. So now 0:26:35.140 --> 0:26:37.340 we're in the 21st century, and we have all of 0:26:37.340 --> 0:26:40.419 these smarty pants phones and websites and apps and everything 0:26:40.460 --> 0:26:44.900 under the sun. How in the world, pragmatically speaking, can 0:26:44.900 --> 0:26:48.700 we take that technology captive for the kingdom and use 0:26:48.700 --> 0:26:50.940 it as a way of training young Christians? 0:26:51.380 --> 0:26:53.540 Well, first of all, we have opportunities. Do you remember 0:26:53.540 --> 0:26:55.780 when you were first and you first became a Christian? 0:26:55.780 --> 0:26:57.379 For me, anyway, I was I became a Christian. I 0:26:57.380 --> 0:26:59.419 was about 35, and I lived my entire life up 0:26:59.420 --> 0:27:02.340 to that point, walking by a lot of things that 0:27:02.340 --> 0:27:04.740 I just took for granted. I didn't think that God 0:27:04.740 --> 0:27:07.380 was in those things. I figured it was either chance physics. 0:27:07.420 --> 0:27:09.660 There's some explanation for what was happening in my life, 0:27:09.660 --> 0:27:11.780 and I walked by a lot of things and never 0:27:11.780 --> 0:27:13.699 attributed any of it to God. And then as I 0:27:13.700 --> 0:27:16.420 became a Christian, I started to walk by those things 0:27:16.460 --> 0:27:18.530 a little less, You know, I started to see things 0:27:18.570 --> 0:27:21.369 and go, wow, that really feels like evidentially. Even this 0:27:21.369 --> 0:27:23.450 is the hand of God moving in a certain way. 0:27:23.770 --> 0:27:27.250 And because I was sensitive to looking for these things now, 0:27:27.290 --> 0:27:31.650 the opportunities to see God's work came for me. Well, 0:27:31.650 --> 0:27:34.330 the same thing happens for us as parents, as as educators, 0:27:34.330 --> 0:27:37.050 as pastors, where, where if we're if we just if 0:27:37.050 --> 0:27:39.330 we don't start thinking about it. Yeah. The next time 0:27:39.330 --> 0:27:41.210 you're in the in the car with your kids and 0:27:41.210 --> 0:27:44.530 something happens in terms of on the radio or you're 0:27:44.530 --> 0:27:47.450 watching something on Netflix, or you're seeing them absorbed in 0:27:47.450 --> 0:27:50.050 something on their phones or on a tablet, you're going 0:27:50.090 --> 0:27:54.330 to miss an opportunity to actually talk about the Christian worldview. 0:27:54.690 --> 0:27:56.690 But if you start to think about these things in 0:27:56.690 --> 0:28:00.810 advance and become more sensitive to the opportunities, then suddenly 0:28:00.810 --> 0:28:03.730 all of these things will open up songs, especially songs 0:28:03.730 --> 0:28:06.489 I remember taking my high school daughter to and she 0:28:06.490 --> 0:28:08.970 was going to high school with Shawn. Shawn was her teacher, 0:28:08.970 --> 0:28:10.730 and on the way there I would drive her to school. 0:28:10.730 --> 0:28:12.730 It would take about 20 minutes to get there, and 0:28:12.730 --> 0:28:14.810 I would always let her pick the music because it 0:28:14.810 --> 0:28:17.720 gave me an opportunity to talk about lyrically what was 0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:21.639 happening in the song, using the digital media to, to 0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:25.080 to launch a conversation. And I grant you, as parents, 0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:27.440 sometimes we're tired, you know, we're we're picking up our 0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:29.359 kids at a point. So so what Sean and I 0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:31.119 both want to say to people who are listening to 0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:33.600 us is, don't think for a second that we are 0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:37.000 these super parents who absolutely never miss an opportunity to 0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:39.479 talk about God and all of these different contexts. Of 0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:42.040 course we do. We're just like you. We're tired, and 0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:43.800 we don't always think about it, or we get lazy 0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:46.080 or we just kind of our mind, our thought life 0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:48.440 kind of runs away and we just don't get involved 0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:50.640 in it. But but if we can start to think 0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:55.600 about opportunities as they come, we won't have to try hard. 0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:58.520 We won't have to kind of invent opportunities. It turns 0:28:58.520 --> 0:29:01.880 out those opportunities have been there all along. We just 0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:04.520 haven't been sensitive to them. So what I would say 0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:07.719 is we have opportunities. You're already absorbed in digital media 0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:10.680 right now as a culture. We already are. Uh, you know, 0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:13.280 Game of Thrones just was launched again, right? So, you know, 0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:16.870 the whole world is talking about one series. Well, look, 0:29:16.910 --> 0:29:20.950 there's opportunities in every movie. Sean, tell, tell, tell Janet 0:29:20.950 --> 0:29:23.470 about how you've used most recently, the Marvel movies to 0:29:23.510 --> 0:29:26.110 have conversations with your own kids about God. 0:29:27.310 --> 0:29:29.230 Oh, sure, I'm happy to. In fact, let me let 0:29:29.230 --> 0:29:32.550 me give you a different example. Besides the Marvel One, 0:29:32.590 --> 0:29:34.950 my son just turned 15 about two and a half 0:29:34.950 --> 0:29:37.110 weeks ago, and last year he wanted to see the 0:29:37.110 --> 0:29:41.150 movie Bohemian Rhapsody, which was about the rock, the rock 0:29:41.150 --> 0:29:43.790 band Queen. And if you know about the rock band 0:29:43.790 --> 0:29:45.950 and the story of the lead singer, there's there's some 0:29:45.950 --> 0:29:49.950 ideas embedded in this film that would definitely trouble me 0:29:49.950 --> 0:29:52.750 as a Christian. I think certain agendas worked in and 0:29:52.750 --> 0:29:54.630 I looked at it as PG 13. I thought, you 0:29:54.630 --> 0:29:56.750 know what? Here's an idea. I'll go to my son. 0:29:56.750 --> 0:29:59.150 And I said, here's the deal. You want to see this? 0:29:59.350 --> 0:30:00.910 I'll take you to see it with a friend who's 0:30:00.910 --> 0:30:03.790 parent gives permission. If we just come back and talk 0:30:03.830 --> 0:30:06.110 about it for 20 or 30 minutes, that's it. Not 0:30:06.110 --> 0:30:07.790 going to lecture you, but I just want to talk 0:30:07.790 --> 0:30:10.670 about it, get your perspective and maybe see what Scripture 0:30:10.670 --> 0:30:12.660 would say about it. And he agreed. So I took 0:30:12.660 --> 0:30:14.220 him and a friend. We went to the movie, came 0:30:14.220 --> 0:30:17.060 back afterwards and we just talked about it 20 or 0:30:17.060 --> 0:30:19.300 30 minutes. That's an example of the kind of thing 0:30:19.300 --> 0:30:22.500 we're talking about, Janet, of how there's media and there's technology, 0:30:22.500 --> 0:30:25.540 and Jim totally nailed it. We're not saying here's a 0:30:25.540 --> 0:30:28.740 bunch of new things you have to do, but let's 0:30:28.780 --> 0:30:32.020 open our eyes up and look at the opportunities that 0:30:32.020 --> 0:30:35.340 are there, maybe differently, and take the opportunities in front 0:30:35.340 --> 0:30:35.860 of us. 0:30:36.060 --> 0:30:38.580 Yeah. See, I couldn't agree with that more. I say 0:30:38.580 --> 0:30:41.020 this all the time. It's like what Bill Belichick tells 0:30:41.020 --> 0:30:43.780 the Pats they have to play situational football. In other words, 0:30:43.780 --> 0:30:46.500 you're tuned in to everything that's going on around you. 0:30:46.500 --> 0:30:49.700 And if we're tuned in, we can absolutely pick some 0:30:49.700 --> 0:30:51.900 of these opportunities and really make it a teachable moment. 0:30:51.940 --> 0:30:54.100 Now I'm going to play the devil's advocate because, you know, 0:30:54.100 --> 0:30:57.780 there's people listening going, nope, nope. I think you have 0:30:57.780 --> 0:31:00.020 one foot too much into the world. I would not 0:31:00.020 --> 0:31:02.180 let my child see Bohemian Rhapsody. I wouldn't let my 0:31:02.180 --> 0:31:04.420 child listen to that song on the radio. I just 0:31:04.420 --> 0:31:05.900 want him to open the Word of God and get 0:31:05.900 --> 0:31:08.300 into it. Okay, gentlemen, how do you respond? 0:31:09.540 --> 0:31:10.020 Well, my. 0:31:10.020 --> 0:31:11.730 Response. First. Yeah. 0:31:12.170 --> 0:31:14.570 Look, I'd be happy to respond. I'd say that might 0:31:14.610 --> 0:31:18.170 have worked a generation ago or two generations ago, before smartphones. 0:31:18.610 --> 0:31:22.890 I'm sorry, but it's impossible to keep kids away from 0:31:22.890 --> 0:31:27.490 the ideas of the world, the songs, etc.. Now, that 0:31:27.490 --> 0:31:30.250 doesn't mean I'm saying these things are okay, but this 0:31:30.250 --> 0:31:32.650 is a reality of the world that we live in. 0:31:32.690 --> 0:31:34.850 I think we need to have these conversations with our 0:31:34.850 --> 0:31:38.210 kids and statistically, for their faith to last. We need 0:31:38.210 --> 0:31:41.690 to have the conversations with them about sexuality and about 0:31:41.690 --> 0:31:46.690 worldview before the world is having them and not be afraid, 0:31:46.890 --> 0:31:50.890 but confidently engaged. That's the posture we we suggest in 0:31:50.890 --> 0:31:51.330 the book. 0:31:51.490 --> 0:31:53.170 I agree, so, Sean, let me go to you because 0:31:53.170 --> 0:31:55.690 Jim referenced this about you and your kids and comic books. 0:31:56.010 --> 0:31:58.050 Why in the world? I mean, to me, just as 0:31:58.050 --> 0:32:00.330 a cultural observer, if you're going to be a cultural apologist, 0:32:00.330 --> 0:32:03.410 it's a striking phenomenon to see that America gobbles up 0:32:03.410 --> 0:32:06.330 comic books. Don't get it. But they're there in droves 0:32:06.330 --> 0:32:10.200 to the tunes of multiple billions of dollars, with many 0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:12.240 more to come down the road apiece. So rest assured, 0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:13.959 if it was in print at one point, it'll be 0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:16.239 a movie at another point. But it seems to me 0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:18.160 if you wanted to plumb the depths of that, there's 0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:20.960 a boatload of stuff that we could extrapolate out. What 0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:24.320 do you do with power? Why there is good versus evil. 0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:27.080 What happens when you don't use your powers for something 0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:30.400 good rather than something bad? Um, are these messiah like 0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:32.760 figures that can redeem us in the end? What happens 0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:35.240 if you get a power Shazam that you can't control? 0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:37.640 Then what happens? So, Sean, it seems to me there's 0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:38.840 gold in them there hills. 0:32:39.480 --> 0:32:42.080 Oh my goodness, you're exactly right. I'll talk about Infinity 0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:44.720 War instead of endgame in case someone hasn't seen it yet. 0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:48.400 But in Infinity War, at the heart of it is 0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:52.120 a question about the gospel. It's about the gospel. To 0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:56.000 what value would we sacrifice? A human life. Thanos wants 0:32:56.000 --> 0:32:59.000 to sacrifice other people. What does Captain America say? He 0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:03.400 says we're not in the business of exchanging lives. It's 0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:06.880 really a question of what is love? And we learned 0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:10.190 that the loving thing to do is to lay down 0:33:10.190 --> 0:33:14.390 your life for another as a sacrifice to save that 0:33:14.390 --> 0:33:18.630 person and to save mankind. That sure sounds like a 0:33:18.630 --> 0:33:21.350 biblical idea to me. So I like to talk about 0:33:21.350 --> 0:33:23.070 my kids. And my point is not that Marvel is 0:33:23.070 --> 0:33:27.270 trying to teach the gospel. They're probably not. Almost for sure, 0:33:27.270 --> 0:33:31.630 but they can't tell a great story without intersecting with 0:33:31.630 --> 0:33:36.150 these great themes that really only find themselves being comfortable 0:33:36.150 --> 0:33:39.670 at home in the Christian worldview. So this is an opportunity. 0:33:39.710 --> 0:33:41.430 Our kids want to see it. They want to talk 0:33:41.430 --> 0:33:44.430 about it. They're already there. So let's use it and 0:33:44.430 --> 0:33:48.630 find the good in it. Of course, with appropriate boundaries. 0:33:48.670 --> 0:33:51.270 Exactly, exactly. So, Jim, I'm going to go back to you. 0:33:51.430 --> 0:33:53.750 And it's really the same question asked another way, which 0:33:53.750 --> 0:33:58.630 is this is all perfectly reasonable, perfectly logical, perfectly creative, 0:33:58.670 --> 0:34:02.510 perfectly necessary. But boy, this is going to quadruple the 0:34:02.550 --> 0:34:06.300 work of the church and the those who are intersecting 0:34:06.300 --> 0:34:09.220 with Millennials and Gen Zers on a regular basis. You 0:34:09.260 --> 0:34:11.620 can't talk about what you can find in comic books 0:34:11.620 --> 0:34:15.900 unless you're already culturally tuned in. You're playing situational football. 0:34:15.940 --> 0:34:17.060 Can the church do this? 0:34:17.739 --> 0:34:21.020 Yeah. Well, okay. First of all, I'm always hesitant to 0:34:21.020 --> 0:34:23.420 say yes. Of course, it's going to mean that we 0:34:23.420 --> 0:34:25.540 have to be more intentional as a church if we're 0:34:25.540 --> 0:34:27.700 talking about the church with the big C, but can 0:34:27.739 --> 0:34:31.580 churches do this? Well, look, I have to come back 0:34:31.580 --> 0:34:33.859 to this in the end. We all know that that 0:34:33.860 --> 0:34:35.620 we have to do a little bit more, do a 0:34:35.620 --> 0:34:38.540 little bit better than we have. Look, we transfer our 0:34:38.540 --> 0:34:41.739 passions about different things, okay? So right now, Sean and 0:34:41.739 --> 0:34:43.739 I both love basketball. Right now tonight you know the 0:34:43.739 --> 0:34:45.620 Warriors are going to play the rockets okay. If you're 0:34:45.620 --> 0:34:48.380 in Houston I guarantee you there's probably some rockets fans 0:34:48.380 --> 0:34:51.700 in Houston who have passed on their passion for the 0:34:51.700 --> 0:34:55.100 rockets to their own children, who would say they're going 0:34:55.140 --> 0:34:57.700 to carve time tonight. They're going to sit gleefully. They 0:34:57.700 --> 0:34:58.859 would say if they got to go to the game, 0:34:58.860 --> 0:35:01.540 they would say, we got to go to the game. 0:35:01.540 --> 0:35:04.460 We get to go see the rockets play. Now think 0:35:04.570 --> 0:35:07.330 about that. They'll take selfies in the stands with strangers 0:35:07.330 --> 0:35:11.089 behind them because they're just so excited to be there. Now, 0:35:11.130 --> 0:35:13.650 can you imagine if our kids felt that excited about 0:35:13.650 --> 0:35:16.850 the experience they're having with God? Well, I think we're 0:35:16.850 --> 0:35:20.010 able to transfer this kind of passion. It's just contagious. 0:35:20.410 --> 0:35:23.330 But we have to be honest, have we misplaced our 0:35:23.330 --> 0:35:26.489 priorities and have we misplaced our passion? So in the end, 0:35:26.530 --> 0:35:29.130 we're far more likely to pass on the passions we 0:35:29.130 --> 0:35:31.730 have for music, or the passions we have for our 0:35:31.730 --> 0:35:34.049 favorite sporting team than we are to pass on our 0:35:34.050 --> 0:35:37.570 passions about God. And I think we have to look inside. 0:35:37.770 --> 0:35:40.330 We talk about why our kids sometimes so dispassionate. Well, 0:35:40.330 --> 0:35:43.650 I hate to tell you this, but all organizations catch 0:35:43.650 --> 0:35:46.730 the passion or dispassion of their leaders and families are 0:35:46.730 --> 0:35:50.130 the same way. We have to be passionate believers if 0:35:50.170 --> 0:35:53.330 we want to pass on a passionate form of Christianity 0:35:53.330 --> 0:35:54.090 to our kids. 0:35:54.690 --> 0:35:58.690 Wow. Wow. It's just so important. This conversation is timely 0:35:58.690 --> 0:36:01.170 and necessary and quite doable. I want you to learn 0:36:01.170 --> 0:36:03.600 more about the book in the market with Janet Parshall. 0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:07.080 Do you know how this works? Get to the box. 0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:10.920 White letters, red box. It says program details and audio. 0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:13.240 Click it on. It'll take you over to the information 0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:15.399 page there. On the far right side there's the book. 0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:18.399 So the next generation will know. Training young Christians in 0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:21.479 a challenging world. Also, I have links for both Sean 0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:25.919 McDowell and Jim Wallace. It's all there. Cold case Christianity.com. 0:36:26.040 --> 0:36:29.080 Sean McDowell. So you can learn more about the great 0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:32.160 work both gentlemen are doing, but I'm glad I still 0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:34.280 have more time so we can learn more about reaching 0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:55.320 that generation back after this. So the next generation will know. 0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:58.080 Preparing Young Christians for a Challenging world. The book has 0:36:58.080 --> 0:37:01.670 been co-authored by Doctor Sean McDowell and J. Warner Wallace. 0:37:01.670 --> 0:37:04.469 And it really is just filled with all kinds of 0:37:04.469 --> 0:37:07.469 ways in which we can really get the next generation 0:37:07.469 --> 0:37:12.230 Gen Z millennials interested in having a biblical worldview. The 0:37:12.230 --> 0:37:14.029 methodology is going to be a little bit different, I 0:37:14.070 --> 0:37:16.469 will grant you. But the message has never, ever changed. 0:37:16.750 --> 0:37:18.430 Which takes me to a key question that both of 0:37:18.430 --> 0:37:20.470 you address in the book. Jim, let me start with you. 0:37:20.870 --> 0:37:22.750 You know, Jeremiah talked about the word of God being 0:37:22.750 --> 0:37:26.149 like fire in his bones. How do we get this generation, 0:37:26.150 --> 0:37:30.550 Gen Z and millennials to really be passionate about truth, 0:37:30.710 --> 0:37:34.910 if truth is situational, if truth is individualistic, if the 0:37:34.910 --> 0:37:38.670 Oxford Cambridge Dictionary or the Cambridge Dictionary the Oxford Dictionary 0:37:38.670 --> 0:37:40.870 gives us, I'll get my schools right. Oxford Dictionary gives 0:37:40.870 --> 0:37:44.950 us the word post-truth. You got to recognize it before 0:37:44.950 --> 0:37:46.350 you fall in love with it. So how can we 0:37:46.350 --> 0:37:48.350 get young people passionate about it again? 0:37:48.830 --> 0:37:51.310 Yeah, we talk about this all the time, especially as 0:37:51.310 --> 0:37:53.509 youth pastors. Right? You you can't. I think if there's 0:37:53.510 --> 0:37:55.589 a youth pastor out there right now who's maybe even 0:37:55.590 --> 0:37:58.510 his parents too, you know, you've had an experience, uh, 0:37:58.670 --> 0:38:01.940 within your ministry where you have experienced what we would 0:38:01.940 --> 0:38:05.060 call apatheism, right? It's almost a bigger threat to theism 0:38:05.060 --> 0:38:07.819 than atheism. Is this sense that and I think first 0:38:07.820 --> 0:38:10.060 of all, I do think that the two whys for 0:38:10.060 --> 0:38:13.500 every what will help provide a partial antidote, at least 0:38:13.500 --> 0:38:16.779 in terms of application, a strategy. Right. Because what the 0:38:16.780 --> 0:38:19.379 reason why we're apathetic sometimes is because it's everyone's got 0:38:19.380 --> 0:38:23.140 something to say, blah blah blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Interestingly, 0:38:23.380 --> 0:38:26.339 in a, in a generation in which everyone's got so 0:38:26.340 --> 0:38:30.819 much access to information, young people are less likely to 0:38:30.860 --> 0:38:33.980 trust the information they find than probably any other generation. 0:38:34.020 --> 0:38:37.020 So we have a decline in trust as the elevation, 0:38:37.060 --> 0:38:39.420 as we have an increase in information. And if you're 0:38:39.420 --> 0:38:41.860 just going to be another clanging bell out there that's 0:38:41.860 --> 0:38:45.380 full of what, without ever providing the whys, I think 0:38:45.420 --> 0:38:48.460 it's easy to get lost in a noisy world, but 0:38:48.460 --> 0:38:51.580 but we try to write an entire chapter on chapter 0:38:51.580 --> 0:38:54.219 five here, which is called Love Ignites, where we're just 0:38:54.219 --> 0:38:58.290 trying to talk about some simple strategies that might. Now, 0:38:58.330 --> 0:38:59.810 one of them, I'll just tell you up front is 0:38:59.810 --> 0:39:02.049 what we talked about in the last segment. Do we 0:39:02.050 --> 0:39:05.290 model passion for our young people and are we excited 0:39:05.290 --> 0:39:07.210 about this? And do we seem like we're just crazy? 0:39:07.250 --> 0:39:08.730 Or do we seem like we've got good reason to 0:39:08.730 --> 0:39:10.489 be excited? Because we know how to apply this to 0:39:10.530 --> 0:39:12.689 our lives. We know how to defend this. We know 0:39:12.690 --> 0:39:15.370 why it's important to our situation right now. We're able 0:39:15.370 --> 0:39:17.489 to talk about those things and articulate those things. I 0:39:17.489 --> 0:39:19.770 think when young people see us do that, they can 0:39:19.810 --> 0:39:22.650 kind of catch what we model. But I will say this, 0:39:22.850 --> 0:39:25.250 and this is something that as a youth pastor, I 0:39:25.570 --> 0:39:29.130 actually saw in my own ministry that often what stands 0:39:29.130 --> 0:39:32.610 between young people, even an old people like me, and 0:39:32.650 --> 0:39:35.850 a passion we have for God, a desire to talk 0:39:35.850 --> 0:39:38.210 to God, a desire to hear from God is an 0:39:38.210 --> 0:39:41.650 obstacle that we have privately in our life that we 0:39:41.690 --> 0:39:44.529 don't want to confess. You know, we have some either 0:39:44.530 --> 0:39:48.450 personal sin that we have not confessed that we have. 0:39:48.489 --> 0:39:50.410 And it's like a wall that we have let be 0:39:50.410 --> 0:39:53.050 constructed between us and God. It's almost like we're embarrassed 0:39:53.050 --> 0:39:55.850 to be in the presence of God because we have this, 0:39:55.850 --> 0:39:58.800 this obstacle, and we have to help young people and 0:39:58.800 --> 0:40:02.680 our leaders in these ministries and ourselves as parents, remove 0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:07.000 those obstacles that have become the barrier to passion. And 0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:09.040 I will say this too. And this is what drove 0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:12.080 me crazy as a youth pastor, is that I found 0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:14.640 in Southern California what I was competing with. More times 0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:18.120 than not. It was not even an obstacle of personal sin, 0:40:18.120 --> 0:40:22.080 but it was instead a misplaced priority. In other words, 0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:24.239 that that if it was a Sunday morning, it used 0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:26.719 to be in Southern California years ago. If there was 0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:29.440 a soccer tournament that's going to span two days, well, 0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:32.520 they wouldn't start again until Sunday at around two. Forget 0:40:32.520 --> 0:40:33.880 about it now. I mean, there's going to be an 0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:38.000 8:00 game on Sunday morning. There's no space carved for 0:40:38.000 --> 0:40:40.600 the Christian culture, at least not where I am right now. 0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:44.279 And and parents often will make choices about what their 0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:47.279 kids are to do that are based on their academic 0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:52.000 or athletic goals, rather than their spiritual goals. And if 0:40:52.000 --> 0:40:54.399 you're passionate about making sure you carve time and drop 0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:56.469 your kids off to volleyball practice and to all the 0:40:56.469 --> 0:41:00.710 sports they're involved in. Kids see it. We we lean 0:41:00.710 --> 0:41:02.590 in and we care about the things that we spend 0:41:02.590 --> 0:41:06.590 time doing. Okay. And if we're not engaged in doing this, 0:41:06.870 --> 0:41:09.510 you know, seeking God and doing the things of God 0:41:09.510 --> 0:41:11.430 with passion, they're going to get that. Really, if we're 0:41:11.430 --> 0:41:15.030 more passionate about placing first in that tournament this weekend 0:41:15.030 --> 0:41:17.310 than we are about actually spending time with God, then 0:41:17.350 --> 0:41:19.030 before long, our kids are going to be more passionate 0:41:19.030 --> 0:41:20.070 about those things too. 0:41:20.630 --> 0:41:22.589 Yeah. Wow. You used the word and I want to 0:41:22.590 --> 0:41:25.149 pick up on it. And Sean ask you a we 0:41:25.150 --> 0:41:28.390 recognize that this is a relational generation. So we have 0:41:28.390 --> 0:41:30.910 to understand that it's going to be people oriented first, 0:41:30.910 --> 0:41:33.190 last and always. Second of all, Jim used the word court. 0:41:33.590 --> 0:41:35.950 So if you're in a relationship with young people, if 0:41:35.950 --> 0:41:38.950 you're walking with them, if you're sharing experiences, whether it's 0:41:38.950 --> 0:41:40.830 the tune in the car or talking about the latest 0:41:40.830 --> 0:41:44.870 Marvel movie. Values are going to be caught much more 0:41:44.870 --> 0:41:49.030 than they're going to be taught. Um. That's difficult. Now, 0:41:49.070 --> 0:41:52.430 if you're if the book is for youth pastors and 0:41:52.430 --> 0:41:56.460 people who have a young person's ministry time just says, 0:41:56.660 --> 0:41:58.540 can't do it all the time. So how do we 0:41:58.580 --> 0:42:01.500 with intentionality? And that was the word that you didn't 0:42:01.500 --> 0:42:03.900 want to use before, but he did want to use. 0:42:03.900 --> 0:42:06.819 How do we, with intentionality try to have these relationships? 0:42:06.820 --> 0:42:08.339 And if it isn't, I don't want to offload it 0:42:08.340 --> 0:42:09.739 to the youth pastor. Talk to me as a mom 0:42:09.739 --> 0:42:12.739 and a dad. How do I make time for these moments? 0:42:13.500 --> 0:42:15.460 Well, here's the way that I we like to look 0:42:15.460 --> 0:42:17.739 at it and we frame it is think about mentoring 0:42:17.739 --> 0:42:21.299 not as something new and additional that you do, but 0:42:21.300 --> 0:42:27.220 more strategically utilizing the opportunities and things you already do. So, 0:42:27.260 --> 0:42:30.980 for example, ask yourself, huh? Do I like to work out? Okay. 0:42:31.020 --> 0:42:34.060 If you do, is there a young person you could 0:42:34.100 --> 0:42:37.939 exercise with or shoot hoops with or run with? And 0:42:37.940 --> 0:42:41.420 that cultivates a conversation even as simple as like running 0:42:41.460 --> 0:42:43.460 to the store? Sometimes I gotta run to the store 0:42:43.460 --> 0:42:46.020 and pick something up. Almost every time I can. I'll 0:42:46.020 --> 0:42:47.819 just grab one of my kids and go, hey, do 0:42:47.820 --> 0:42:50.140 you want to go to the store? If you like 0:42:50.140 --> 0:42:52.089 to work on your car and fix it up, Is 0:42:52.090 --> 0:42:54.250 there a young person in your neighborhood or community, or 0:42:54.250 --> 0:42:56.930 your family who you could maybe teach to do this 0:42:56.969 --> 0:43:00.730 and partner together? So it's really just we're not adding 0:43:00.730 --> 0:43:03.770 more work to the church. We're trying to get the 0:43:03.770 --> 0:43:06.730 church to just say there's certain opportunities we have in 0:43:06.730 --> 0:43:09.569 front of us. And it's true for parents, teachers and 0:43:09.570 --> 0:43:13.210 youth pastors, let's pay more attention to these so we 0:43:13.210 --> 0:43:17.089 can more effectively engage this generation and realize every conversation 0:43:17.090 --> 0:43:21.210 doesn't have to be this deep spiritual conversation. Most aren't. 0:43:21.290 --> 0:43:23.169 In fact, I spent a ton of time with my kids. 0:43:23.170 --> 0:43:26.169 Sometimes I feel guilty, like it's too much talking about 0:43:26.170 --> 0:43:29.930 superheroes and basketball so we can have those meaningful moments 0:43:29.930 --> 0:43:30.930 that stick with them. 0:43:31.489 --> 0:43:31.850 Wow. 0:43:32.210 --> 0:43:35.050 Jim, last question is yours. 30s, if you would please 0:43:35.050 --> 0:43:37.570 and let me flip this around. If we don't do 0:43:37.930 --> 0:43:41.129 what you and Shawn are proposing, if we end where 0:43:41.130 --> 0:43:44.529 we started, which is numbers that are really staggering, young 0:43:44.530 --> 0:43:48.089 people leaving in droves, not stepping into the clarion call 0:43:48.090 --> 0:43:51.000 for the Great Commission. What happens? What's the outcome? 0:43:51.360 --> 0:43:53.520 Well, I can tell you God is sovereign. God saw 0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:55.560 this coming. You know, thousands of years ago. So I 0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:57.640 do not believe that we are here and can single 0:43:57.680 --> 0:43:59.960 handedly resurrect or save. But I will tell you this. 0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:02.799 We will have greater influence on a culture that is 0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:05.319 turning its head from Christianity. If we are willing to 0:44:05.320 --> 0:44:09.360 be able to articulate why it's true and why it matters. God, 0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:11.600 I think, can use us in a way that he 0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:14.279 can't if we aren't willing to lean in with young 0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:16.200 people so the next generation will know. 0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:17.200 Oh! 0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:20.239 Exclamation point. Jim, thank you for that. The book is 0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:23.600 called So the Next Generation Will Know training young Christians 0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:25.719 in a challenging world go to in the market with 0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:29.760 Janet Parshall. Click on that red box that says Program 0:44:29.760 --> 0:44:31.360 Details and Audio. It will take you over to the 0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:34.200 information page. And there's all the information you could use. 0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:38.760 Young people care. They are passionate. We need to just 0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:41.120 find a way to keep that spark going. 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