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S5: Good morning. Good news. Lindsey Vonn is home, and she's

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S1: world around us. Now we're talking, aren't we?

446
00:24:15,310 --> 00:24:17,030
S3: We are. We got a special guest with us right

447
00:24:17,030 --> 00:24:19,870
S3: now who's going to speak to that doctor? Robert Lewis

448
00:24:19,869 --> 00:24:23,220
S3: joins us. He's been a pastor, writer, speaker and visionary

449
00:24:23,260 --> 00:24:27,100
S3: for over 40 years. And Doctor Robert Louis, you have

450
00:24:27,180 --> 00:24:29,460
S3: actually been a mentor of Carl's for some years, is

451
00:24:29,460 --> 00:24:30,260
S3: that correct?

452
00:24:30,460 --> 00:24:31,940
S8: It was hard, but yes.

453
00:24:33,260 --> 00:24:33,580
S2: Ah.

454
00:24:35,180 --> 00:24:36,660
S9: I'm glad you said that.

455
00:24:36,900 --> 00:24:38,219
S1: Honestly, I was I.

456
00:24:38,220 --> 00:24:38,900
S9: Was going to say.

457
00:24:38,900 --> 00:24:42,899
S1: This. There's a few guys that have been a just

458
00:24:42,940 --> 00:24:45,420
S1: a I don't even know how to describe it, just

459
00:24:45,420 --> 00:24:48,420
S1: a powerful influence on my life. And Robert is top

460
00:24:48,420 --> 00:24:52,940
S1: of the list for me and huge, huge influence on

461
00:24:52,940 --> 00:24:55,540
S1: on my life, and not least of which is the

462
00:24:55,540 --> 00:24:59,859
S1: way you did church, Robert. Uh, let's go back a

463
00:24:59,859 --> 00:25:04,139
S1: little bit. You were radically transformed by Jesus, and God

464
00:25:04,140 --> 00:25:07,620
S1: called you into ministry. Off the football field, through an

465
00:25:07,619 --> 00:25:13,139
S1: injury and really into into ministry. And you really decided

466
00:25:13,140 --> 00:25:16,940
S1: early on when it wasn't even that popularized, to really

467
00:25:16,940 --> 00:25:21,010
S1: move into an equipping mode and deploying people into the marketplace.

468
00:25:21,010 --> 00:25:24,609
S1: You developed something called 1 to 1. Explain your heart

469
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S1: behind 1 to 1. What was the impetus for that?

470
00:25:27,850 --> 00:25:33,370
S8: Well, the it was really, uh, underneath a bigger concept,

471
00:25:33,369 --> 00:25:36,970
S8: and that is the Ephesians four concept that as a

472
00:25:36,970 --> 00:25:40,209
S8: young pastor and I didn't have a religious background, so

473
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S8: I was just going from where I was as a

474
00:25:42,290 --> 00:25:45,330
S8: new believer. But in Ephesians four, you know, it says

475
00:25:45,330 --> 00:25:49,290
S8: our job as leaders is to equip the saints for

476
00:25:49,290 --> 00:25:52,730
S8: the work of ministry. And I grabbed on to that

477
00:25:52,730 --> 00:25:56,210
S8: when I was a young Christian and kept it through seminary.

478
00:25:56,210 --> 00:25:59,090
S8: So when we started the church, I started with an

479
00:25:59,090 --> 00:26:02,929
S8: equipping mindset that the goal was not for people to

480
00:26:02,970 --> 00:26:06,210
S8: come and get, but for people to come and be equipped.

481
00:26:06,410 --> 00:26:10,129
S8: So they would go and give. And, uh, that's what

482
00:26:10,170 --> 00:26:13,609
S8: spurred all the ministries of our church. But when it

483
00:26:13,609 --> 00:26:17,649
S8: came to evangelism, I had the opportunity to be a

484
00:26:17,650 --> 00:26:20,760
S8: part of Campus Crusade. And I remember as a young Christian,

485
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,199
S8: them taking me into a room and giving me a

486
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,439
S8: little book, The Four Spiritual Laws, and having me read

487
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,360
S8: through it, then having me read it to another person

488
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,920
S8: in the room. And then we went out and started

489
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,360
S8: reading it to people in the city. And the power

490
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:42,239
S8: of just seeing people transformed just by reproducing something I

491
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:47,440
S8: was trained in, which was nothing more than reading a booklet, uh,

492
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:52,320
S8: forever impacted me. So the ministries we did at the church,

493
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,720
S8: and especially this one we're talking about this morning with

494
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,720
S8: sharing your faith, is, um, I knew that people would

495
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,560
S8: not share their faith unless they were equipped and trained

496
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S8: to do it. And I think we we we need

497
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:15,560
S8: that more, um, uh, responsible mindset that hearing is not enough.

498
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,860
S8: Discussing is not enough. You need to hear and discuss

499
00:27:19,859 --> 00:27:23,740
S8: and then prepare and train and then go and do.

500
00:27:23,940 --> 00:27:27,860
S8: And when you complete that lifecycle, you'll be forever different

501
00:27:27,859 --> 00:27:30,179
S8: in how you approach people with the gospel.

502
00:27:30,380 --> 00:27:33,260
S3: Robert Lewis, our guest right now, explain that what you

503
00:27:33,260 --> 00:27:36,820
S3: just said, you said hearing is not enough. What what

504
00:27:36,820 --> 00:27:37,860
S3: do you mean by that?

505
00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:41,500
S8: Well, I would say the majority of church, if we're

506
00:27:41,500 --> 00:27:45,140
S8: not careful, is based on an academic model where people

507
00:27:45,140 --> 00:27:49,900
S8: come and sit in a seat and some gifted orator

508
00:27:49,900 --> 00:27:54,899
S8: like Carl delivers the truth. And when it's over, we're grateful.

509
00:27:54,900 --> 00:27:59,139
S8: We've been fed. We've enjoyed it. But, um, the enemy

510
00:27:59,180 --> 00:28:03,820
S8: steals it away. According to the Jesus's parable of the soils. Uh,

511
00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:06,020
S8: by the time we get to the car, most of

512
00:28:06,020 --> 00:28:08,460
S8: what we heard, as great as it was, is gone.

513
00:28:09,220 --> 00:28:14,260
S8: So you're not going to remember, much less utilize truth

514
00:28:14,260 --> 00:28:17,650
S8: that you just hear. You've got to have the opportunity

515
00:28:17,650 --> 00:28:20,129
S8: to discuss it. So that means there's got to be

516
00:28:20,530 --> 00:28:23,649
S8: an opportunity, an environment where what you just heard, you're

517
00:28:23,650 --> 00:28:28,130
S8: interacting with someone on. But even after that, you need

518
00:28:28,130 --> 00:28:31,770
S8: to go into and this is based on what the

519
00:28:31,850 --> 00:28:35,930
S8: goal is. But you need to have some preparation training.

520
00:28:35,930 --> 00:28:38,370
S8: That's what we did with 1 to 1. It was

521
00:28:38,370 --> 00:28:42,250
S8: a simple little booklet that I would train people who

522
00:28:42,250 --> 00:28:47,650
S8: wanted to share their faith over five weeks. And, uh,

523
00:28:47,650 --> 00:28:50,330
S8: you know, people thought this was crazy at the beginning,

524
00:28:50,330 --> 00:28:55,170
S8: but every session we would do, uh, I would teach,

525
00:28:55,170 --> 00:28:58,290
S8: they would have a discussion, we would have Q&A. And

526
00:28:58,290 --> 00:29:01,570
S8: then the next week, when they came in, before we

527
00:29:01,570 --> 00:29:05,090
S8: went to the next session, they had to take an

528
00:29:05,090 --> 00:29:09,330
S8: exam over what they heard the previous week, and they

529
00:29:09,330 --> 00:29:14,400
S8: had to score 90 or better. They had to make 90%

530
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,240
S8: or better, or they had to take the exam again

531
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,240
S8: the following week. And people, people would tell me, nobody

532
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,719
S8: will come to your class if they're going to hear stuff,

533
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,920
S8: discuss it, but then they're going to be tested over it.

534
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,400
S8: And let me tell you, this is what was amazing.

535
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,640
S8: Every time I taught that class, I had more and

536
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,800
S8: more people. By the end, I was having hundreds of

537
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,760
S8: people come because people wanted to be competent. But to

538
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,640
S8: be competent, you got to know that you can do it,

539
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,880
S8: but you'll only know that you can do it if

540
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,040
S8: you can explain it to somebody else, what you've heard,

541
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,720
S8: and can actually deliver the gospel to somebody else in

542
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,120
S8: a setting outside of church. And so with that end

543
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,920
S8: in mind, you know, we created a camaraderie of Green

544
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:07,040
S8: Beret types who who carried their their face up and

545
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,480
S8: their chest out because they knew they had been trained.

546
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,110
S8: They knew they could pass the test. And by the way,

547
00:30:14,110 --> 00:30:18,270
S8: the test was not something rigorous, but it did show competency.

548
00:30:18,670 --> 00:30:21,270
S8: And then we gave them opportunities to go out and

549
00:30:21,270 --> 00:30:27,230
S8: deliver that gospel. And, um, what's exciting is here I am, uh,

550
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:33,030
S8: at 76 years old, and I still have people around

551
00:30:33,030 --> 00:30:35,960
S8: our area who ask me for copies of the 1

552
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,470
S8: to 1 because they're still doing it 40 years later.

553
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:42,470
S1: Yeah, that's that's what's beautiful. And I think, uh, I'm

554
00:30:42,510 --> 00:30:45,790
S1: glad you mentioned that because I witnessed it. Robert, I

555
00:30:45,790 --> 00:30:47,790
S1: was with you for five years in little Rock at

556
00:30:47,790 --> 00:30:50,430
S1: Fellowship Bible Church, and I witnessed it. And the and

557
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:53,990
S1: the hunger and the joy and the zeal. This wasn't onerous.

558
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:56,990
S1: This was liberating. I think that's the biggest thing, right?

559
00:30:57,030 --> 00:30:59,950
S8: Right. That's exactly right. It was there was a great

560
00:30:59,950 --> 00:31:04,110
S8: camaraderie in there. By the time we finished, we celebrated.

561
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:06,870
S8: Then people would go out and get someone that was

562
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:10,390
S8: a friend or a family member or a coworker, and

563
00:31:10,390 --> 00:31:12,980
S8: we had a great way to just engage them when

564
00:31:12,980 --> 00:31:15,500
S8: they got into a spiritual discussion, say, hey, would you

565
00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:18,740
S8: like to sit with me? And we can talk through

566
00:31:19,660 --> 00:31:22,060
S8: the basics of the Christian faith? And we always had

567
00:31:22,060 --> 00:31:24,300
S8: this little line, and if you'll if you'll sit with

568
00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:26,660
S8: me and we'll talk about this over the next few weeks,

569
00:31:27,020 --> 00:31:32,820
S8: you'll know more about Jesus's teaching and Jesus's message. Then, then,

570
00:31:33,060 --> 00:31:35,580
S8: then people who go to church. And that was kind

571
00:31:35,580 --> 00:31:38,300
S8: of a fun hook, but people would do it.

572
00:31:38,620 --> 00:31:40,900
S3: Doctor Robert Lewis, our guest right now.

573
00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:46,420
S9: I remember that line like yesterday. And it's true.

574
00:31:46,620 --> 00:31:49,460
S3: That this is this is fascinating. I know you're enjoying

575
00:31:49,460 --> 00:31:51,980
S3: this conversation coming up. Let's talk about it. You want

576
00:31:51,980 --> 00:31:54,540
S3: to be competent. You want to be prepared to not

577
00:31:54,540 --> 00:31:56,820
S3: just be a hearer of the word, not just take

578
00:31:56,820 --> 00:32:00,460
S3: in good sermons, but to actually go out, share your faith,

579
00:32:00,460 --> 00:32:04,660
S3: and then disciple others to train them to disciple others

580
00:32:04,660 --> 00:32:06,700
S3: as well. More with our guest coming up.

581
00:32:07,380 --> 00:32:11,440
S6: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to Carl

582
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:12,000
S6: and crew.

583
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,160
S1: Robert Lewis, our guest right now, one of my mentors.

584
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,360
S1: And a man. That man. I dearly love this guy. Robert,

585
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,080
S1: let's let's boil this down. We've been talking 1 to 1.

586
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,320
S1: It's a tool that you used at Fellowship Bible Church.

587
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,160
S1: Not just that church, but in the scores of other

588
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,239
S1: churches that launched out of there as a result of

589
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,480
S1: that effort. Uh, 1 to 1. What a great tool.

590
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,160
S1: Let's boil it down because it is a tool. What's

591
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,560
S1: the to use business lingo here? What's the minimum viable product?

592
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,120
S1: What do people need to be equipped with to have

593
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,200
S1: confidence to share their faith?

594
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,080
S8: Well, they've got to have a vision and you've got

595
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,480
S8: to have a vision caster. So I think a minimum

596
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,320
S8: is goes back on the leadership of the church. And Carl,

597
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,960
S8: you were part of ours. You've got to have leaders

598
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,960
S8: who super value sharing your faith and who don't just

599
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,400
S8: talk about it, but they go out and do it themselves.

600
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:08,470
S8: And the enthusiasm of the leadership for That then leads

601
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:14,110
S8: to a gathering where people are trained. They they come

602
00:33:14,110 --> 00:33:17,150
S8: in understanding, this is not where I'm just going to

603
00:33:17,150 --> 00:33:21,430
S8: teach you about evangelism. I'm going to train you and

604
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:24,190
S8: you're going to discuss it and be equipped, and we're

605
00:33:24,190 --> 00:33:26,830
S8: going to give you a tool you can implement. And

606
00:33:26,830 --> 00:33:29,110
S8: then we're going to we're going to send you out.

607
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:34,150
S8: And unless you have that kind of of, um, commitment,

608
00:33:34,510 --> 00:33:38,990
S8: then the hearing of the word is snatched away by

609
00:33:38,990 --> 00:33:41,830
S8: the enemy. And we just go back to business as usual.

610
00:33:42,390 --> 00:33:45,430
S3: Robert, when we the training that you're talking about, I

611
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:47,710
S3: think when most people think about sharing their faith, they

612
00:33:47,710 --> 00:33:50,030
S3: think about the particulars. Am I going to be able

613
00:33:50,030 --> 00:33:52,710
S3: to articulate the gospel correctly? Will I be able to

614
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:56,190
S3: share my story succinctly and then some? But sometimes I

615
00:33:56,190 --> 00:33:58,190
S3: think we aren't quite sure what we'll do if the

616
00:33:58,190 --> 00:34:01,070
S3: person says yes, the person's like, yeah.

617
00:34:01,790 --> 00:34:02,590
S9: Sure, I'd like.

618
00:34:02,590 --> 00:34:06,860
S3: To know about Jesus. And then I think sometimes we

619
00:34:06,860 --> 00:34:09,299
S3: might be like, oh, I don't know what I would

620
00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:11,219
S3: do when I get to this point. Speak to that

621
00:34:11,219 --> 00:34:11,940
S3: a little bit.

622
00:34:11,980 --> 00:34:15,140
S8: Well, that's why you have to be in the training,

623
00:34:15,540 --> 00:34:17,899
S8: the tool that you're given. You're also talking to them

624
00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:21,020
S8: about how to engage people and how to set up

625
00:34:21,060 --> 00:34:24,020
S8: times to meet and what you do. And the booklet

626
00:34:24,020 --> 00:34:26,900
S8: should be easy. I mean, our little booklet was easy.

627
00:34:27,180 --> 00:34:30,100
S8: You would give the booklet, uh, and a Bible to

628
00:34:30,140 --> 00:34:31,620
S8: the person you were going to go through and say, hey,

629
00:34:31,620 --> 00:34:34,299
S8: we're going to have fun talking about this. They would

630
00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:37,540
S8: work through this simple little booklet before you meet, and

631
00:34:37,540 --> 00:34:40,140
S8: then you would just get together over coffee or whatever

632
00:34:40,140 --> 00:34:42,620
S8: and discuss it. And you didn't have to be perfect

633
00:34:42,620 --> 00:34:44,339
S8: in it, but you just need to discuss the big

634
00:34:44,340 --> 00:34:48,540
S8: ideas that started with, you know, the Bible, who God is,

635
00:34:48,540 --> 00:34:51,779
S8: who Jesus is, what salvation is, what the church is.

636
00:34:51,780 --> 00:34:54,819
S8: That was the the kind of the five lessons. But

637
00:34:54,820 --> 00:34:57,980
S8: in there the gospel will be shared on lesson four

638
00:34:58,340 --> 00:35:00,620
S8: and you will ask a person if they want to

639
00:35:00,660 --> 00:35:04,100
S8: commit their life to Christ. Yeah. And people would find

640
00:35:04,250 --> 00:35:07,450
S8: that strategy would work. Now, then would be awkward when

641
00:35:07,450 --> 00:35:09,169
S8: they teach it the first time, but if they've been

642
00:35:09,170 --> 00:35:12,649
S8: well trained, they have a good experience. And once you

643
00:35:12,650 --> 00:35:16,089
S8: do that, once you are trained and equipped and feel confident,

644
00:35:16,290 --> 00:35:19,890
S8: you are forever different. Yeah, and I've always told the church,

645
00:35:19,890 --> 00:35:21,610
S8: we need to do this kind of training on the

646
00:35:21,650 --> 00:35:27,250
S8: basics of the Christian life in parenting and marriage and manhood, womanhood.

647
00:35:27,290 --> 00:35:30,290
S8: But in evangelism, this is what we're talking about. You

648
00:35:30,290 --> 00:35:34,290
S8: need training, and it needs to be serious training where

649
00:35:34,290 --> 00:35:35,689
S8: people come out confident.

650
00:35:36,130 --> 00:35:39,730
S1: You know, I, Robert, brought me to little Rock to

651
00:35:39,770 --> 00:35:42,770
S1: lead a singles ministry, and that's back in the day

652
00:35:42,770 --> 00:35:45,570
S1: when and we didn't have a college town to speak of.

653
00:35:45,610 --> 00:35:49,970
S1: We're not some big epicenter. And what they got, not

654
00:35:49,969 --> 00:35:54,009
S1: from me, but from the culture of that church was equipped. And, Ali,

655
00:35:54,010 --> 00:35:56,250
S1: you know, I've spoken of this before. We got we

656
00:35:56,290 --> 00:35:59,009
S1: got congressmen, we got senators, we got elders, we got

657
00:35:59,010 --> 00:36:02,210
S1: business leaders, we got moms and dads all around the

658
00:36:02,210 --> 00:36:04,440
S1: globe right now as a result of being in an

659
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,879
S1: equipping oriented church, and I hear back from them still constantly.

660
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:13,480
S1: It's it's beautiful. Robert, you've you've committed to really drilling

661
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,719
S1: down on training in a lot of different aspects. But

662
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,799
S1: I want to spike this because there's a lot of

663
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,440
S1: men listening right now. And this whole kind of paradigm

664
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:28,760
S1: that Robert has for equipping is is most currently best

665
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S1: seen in Better Man. It's a phenomenal ministry, and it's

666
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S1: just a banner ad for something that Robert's got his

667
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S1: teeth into. And it is growing like crazy. I want

668
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S1: all you men to understand that God's got a vision

669
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S1: for you. That's far greater than maybe what you've settled for.

670
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S1: So just a quick banner ad here. Give me your

671
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S1: best 30s on better man, Robert, because there's a lot

672
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S1: of men tuned in that want to be equipped.

673
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S8: Well, the secret sauce of better Man is, again, men

674
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,880
S8: meeting together to discuss what the Bible says about manhood.

675
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,299
S8: And the Bible does paint a definition of manhood. Even

676
00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:07,180
S8: though we live in a 21st century world that can't

677
00:37:07,180 --> 00:37:09,859
S8: figure that question out, what is a man? What is

678
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S8: a woman? We figure it out. Looking at Genesis and

679
00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:16,460
S8: it's clear and simple and direct and helps a man

680
00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:20,020
S8: understand who he is. Has a vision for that. And

681
00:37:20,020 --> 00:37:24,580
S8: then the training, the discussion sessions helps them figure out

682
00:37:24,580 --> 00:37:28,460
S8: ways to live that out over ten weeks. And so

683
00:37:28,620 --> 00:37:34,460
S8: we created this organization Better Man back in 2020. Um, and, uh, Carl,

684
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S8: you'll be excited to know that just recently we went

685
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S8: over a million men involved.

686
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S1: That is awesome.

687
00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:43,260
S3: Doctor Robert Lewis, the ministries called Better Man. Just text

688
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S3: man to 800 555 7898. If you want more on

689
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S3: this great ministry, text man to 800 555 7898. Check

690
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S3: it out.

691
00:37:54,940 --> 00:37:59,060
S6: Romans eight brought her to Jesus while broadcasting traffic overnight.

692
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S6: Super dye is in the crew. It's curl and crew

693
00:38:03,090 --> 00:38:04,330
S6: on Moody Radio.

694
00:38:04,730 --> 00:38:08,650
S1: You guys ever had to do CPR on anyone? Questions

695
00:38:08,650 --> 00:38:09,649
S1: I've never asked you.

696
00:38:09,690 --> 00:38:11,210
S3: Oh, wow. Yes. Um.

697
00:38:11,370 --> 00:38:12,570
S2: Wow. Oh. Diana has.

698
00:38:12,610 --> 00:38:13,570
S1: Diana has.

699
00:38:13,610 --> 00:38:14,050
S2: Yeah.

700
00:38:14,450 --> 00:38:15,570
S1: Really super.

701
00:38:15,610 --> 00:38:17,930
S4: I was a lifeguard. Oh, so that puts you in

702
00:38:17,930 --> 00:38:19,970
S4: a little bit of a different situations.

703
00:38:21,090 --> 00:38:24,850
S1: Were you having to? Was it water down in the gullet, or.

704
00:38:24,890 --> 00:38:26,770
S4: Was it kind of came right back up?

705
00:38:26,930 --> 00:38:27,649
S1: Oh my.

706
00:38:27,650 --> 00:38:28,090
S4: Word.

707
00:38:28,130 --> 00:38:28,610
S2: Man.

708
00:38:29,570 --> 00:38:32,210
S1: And was it heart massage or was it just mouth

709
00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:32,850
S1: to mouth?

710
00:38:33,210 --> 00:38:34,009
S4: A combination.

711
00:38:34,330 --> 00:38:34,969
S1: Okay.

712
00:38:35,010 --> 00:38:35,410
S4: Yeah.

713
00:38:35,810 --> 00:38:39,930
S1: Wow. Man, when you can bring someone back to life,

714
00:38:41,090 --> 00:38:44,290
S1: you've done something. You're a hero to me. Super.

715
00:38:45,050 --> 00:38:46,130
S4: No. You're just. You're in.

716
00:38:46,170 --> 00:38:47,210
S1: The moment. That's.

717
00:38:47,250 --> 00:38:48,250
S4: That's supposed to do.

718
00:38:48,290 --> 00:38:50,410
S1: I know you're doing what you're supposed to do, but

719
00:38:50,410 --> 00:38:54,130
S1: that's what everybody does it. Yeah, that's what a hero says.

720
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S3: Yeah. I mean, I remember I've received training at different points,

721
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,000
S3: but I've never, never had to use it in a

722
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S3: real life situation.

723
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,799
S2: Yeah, they say the chest compressions is more important than

724
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:05,880
S2: the mouth to mouth part.

725
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,560
S4: Yes, some of the logistics of CPR have changed over the.

726
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,160
S1: Yeah, they have, haven't they? You know, I've threatened to

727
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,160
S1: go get training for that. I probably ought to do it.

728
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,840
S2: It's a good thing to have, you know. You don't

729
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,879
S2: because I mean, there's not a lot of there are

730
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S2: a lot of jobs that require CPR certification. But even

731
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,839
S2: if you don't need it for your job or anything,

732
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,279
S2: it's good to have just in a scenario with your

733
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,719
S2: family or when you're out if you need to step in.

734
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:29,920
S2: It's good to know how to.

735
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,720
S1: Yeah, getting grandkids now. So it's like.

736
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:33,480
S2: Definitely.

737
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,919
S1: Even, uh, the Heimlich and stuff like that. It's even

738
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,920
S1: different how you get stuff dislodged, kiddos.

739
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,040
S4: Yes, it is very different. Infants, toddlers, yes, it's all different.

740
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,319
S3: Training is so important. I remember I remember having to

741
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,000
S3: use that training on my son when he was about

742
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,960
S3: 18 months old. He got something lodged in his throat

743
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,719
S3: and it was and I mean, and it was a

744
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,790
S3: terrifying moment. And I just grabbed him and I remember,

745
00:39:58,830 --> 00:40:00,990
S3: you know, put it it was it's not the Heimlich

746
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S3: when they're really little. And so I'm not even going

747
00:40:03,390 --> 00:40:05,470
S3: to say what I did because in case that training

748
00:40:05,469 --> 00:40:07,790
S3: is different, I don't want to say the wrong thing, but.

749
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S1: You.

750
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S3: Did. Based on what I had been trained. I remember

751
00:40:10,750 --> 00:40:14,149
S3: doing exactly that. And and, you know, just in that

752
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S3: split second and praise God, it was he was very quickly,

753
00:40:17,950 --> 00:40:20,150
S3: you know, it was dislodged from his throat. But it

754
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:22,469
S3: was I was glad to have known in a in

755
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S3: that moment what to do.

756
00:40:24,190 --> 00:40:29,549
S1: Yeah. I love getting these shorts on these stories about

757
00:40:29,989 --> 00:40:35,390
S1: of people that have had, I mean, really harrowing brushes

758
00:40:35,390 --> 00:40:39,710
S1: with death. And what blows my mind is how often

759
00:40:39,710 --> 00:40:43,790
S1: people are revived and brought back to life by someone

760
00:40:43,790 --> 00:40:47,310
S1: who knows CPR. It it never ceases to amaze me.

761
00:40:47,310 --> 00:40:49,989
S1: It's like that guy was dead. There's no way he

762
00:40:49,989 --> 00:40:52,430
S1: was coming back. Unless somebody knew what in the world

763
00:40:52,430 --> 00:40:56,180
S1: was going on here. Yeah, yeah. It's powerful. Well, speaking

764
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S1: of that, what if we gave you six essentials for

765
00:41:00,260 --> 00:41:05,100
S1: reviving your faith? Ooh. Good word. What if we. What

766
00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:07,420
S1: if we did that? I mean, come on.

767
00:41:07,420 --> 00:41:08,980
S2: Spiritual CPR certification.

768
00:41:09,020 --> 00:41:12,339
S1: Yeah. Let's get let's get a little CPR going for

769
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S1: the soul here.

770
00:41:13,700 --> 00:41:14,460
S3: I'm with it.

771
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S1: Okay, let's get after it. This is Forrest, Frank. Your

772
00:41:17,180 --> 00:41:19,260
S1: way is better, and we're going to talk about that boy,

773
00:41:19,260 --> 00:41:22,620
S1: we are cooking here this morning like cordwood in here.

774
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S6: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to

775
00:41:27,460 --> 00:41:28,540
S6: Carl and crew.

776
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S1: Uh, using this metaphor of spiritual CPR. Mainly because Mark

777
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S1: Yarborough has really a passion for this. In fact, six

778
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S1: essentials for Reviving Your Faith out of the rekindled heart. Man,

779
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:44,380
S1: you want to blow life into dead or near dead things,

780
00:41:44,380 --> 00:41:45,420
S1: don't you, Mark?

781
00:41:46,140 --> 00:41:48,180
S10: I love it, I love it. That's what God's in

782
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S10: the business of doing.

783
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S3: You know, doctor Mark Yarborough, popular Bible conference speaker. professor.

784
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S3: He's got a book out, The Rekindled Heart six essentials

785
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S3: for Reviving Your Faith. When somebody is in some sort

786
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,840
S3: of an emergency situation, whether it's choking or whether there's

787
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,560
S3: CPR that's needed. It's usually pretty obvious. Sometimes a crowd

788
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,120
S3: is gathered, maybe there's been some sort of collapse. There's

789
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,760
S3: some physical element that cries out, this person needs help.

790
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,720
S3: How do we know, though, if our spiritual life needs

791
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,080
S3: to be revived? It doesn't necessarily scream in that same way.

792
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,440
S3: But there are signs.

793
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,919
S10: Oh, there are signs. I tell you what I mean.

794
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,320
S10: It's it's like the picture of a of a fire

795
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,400
S10: that's gone out. You know, we've all been camping before,

796
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,719
S10: and you know, when that fire is dying down, you

797
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,640
S10: can feel it. You can see it. I mean, if

798
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,080
S10: you're sitting by a fire, you even know when the

799
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,360
S10: heat is going down. And for a lot of us, right,

800
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,440
S10: with our lives, I mean, we know when we're crashing,

801
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,279
S10: we know when either we're not walking with the Lord

802
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,120
S10: or circumstances of life have just hit us, you know,

803
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,750
S10: square between the eyes and you're going, okay, this is

804
00:42:52,750 --> 00:42:54,270
S10: not what I want it to be.

805
00:42:54,430 --> 00:42:56,630
S1: Yeah. You know, I got. So I got a question

806
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S1: for you. Just pressure test that. Do you think the

807
00:42:59,670 --> 00:43:03,710
S1: church of Laodicea knew that they needed to let Jesus

808
00:43:03,710 --> 00:43:06,430
S1: back in? I mean, it's written to the church that warning,

809
00:43:06,430 --> 00:43:09,550
S1: and they thought they had it all going on. So

810
00:43:09,989 --> 00:43:14,230
S1: the idols of this age can intoxicate us. But there's

811
00:43:14,590 --> 00:43:17,029
S1: if we're really filled with the Holy Spirit, there's that

812
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:19,910
S1: holy hunch that something ain't right here. Right, Mark?

813
00:43:19,950 --> 00:43:21,509
S11: That's it, that's it. That's exactly.

814
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:23,790
S10: Right. And I think that there are those that do

815
00:43:23,830 --> 00:43:25,870
S10: and those that don't. I mean, let's call it what

816
00:43:25,870 --> 00:43:29,870
S10: it is when when you find yourself in these moments,

817
00:43:29,870 --> 00:43:33,669
S10: sometimes it's just kind of slowly going down, and then

818
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:35,830
S10: you have a moment to look back and go, where

819
00:43:35,830 --> 00:43:39,270
S10: have I come from? Why? Why am I currently here?

820
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:43,230
S10: Where I am, there are other individuals, I promise. In Laodicea,

821
00:43:43,310 --> 00:43:45,790
S10: right there had to have been individuals that knew, right?

822
00:43:45,830 --> 00:43:48,750
S10: And they're like sitting there going, something is not right here.

823
00:43:48,989 --> 00:43:51,219
S10: So what can we do? And that's the question I'm

824
00:43:51,219 --> 00:43:54,300
S10: asking in the book. How can we have rekindle that heart?

825
00:43:54,300 --> 00:43:57,380
S10: And what are these essentials for reviving your faith?

826
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S3: Let's talk about some of those. Mark Yarbrough. What what

827
00:44:01,020 --> 00:44:04,180
S3: are some of those essentials to reviving your faith when

828
00:44:04,180 --> 00:44:05,900
S3: that fire started to dim?

829
00:44:06,340 --> 00:44:06,980
S11: Well, I tell you.

830
00:44:06,980 --> 00:44:08,819
S10: The first one that I challenge people with all the

831
00:44:08,820 --> 00:44:12,620
S10: time is what I call a rekindled devotion, a bold

832
00:44:12,660 --> 00:44:15,740
S10: trust in God's Word. I mean, it is a basic

833
00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:20,939
S10: charge to get back to God's Word. When we realize

834
00:44:20,940 --> 00:44:23,860
S10: and we profess all over again, it's good for believers

835
00:44:23,860 --> 00:44:26,380
S10: to do this. You know, Hebrews chapter four, the Word

836
00:44:26,380 --> 00:44:28,620
S10: of God is alive and powerful. It's sharper than any

837
00:44:28,620 --> 00:44:31,620
S10: two edged sword. We could go to Second Timothy chapter three,

838
00:44:31,660 --> 00:44:35,620
S10: verse 16, one of my favorites. All Scripture is God breathed.

839
00:44:35,620 --> 00:44:39,620
S10: That word that Paul used to Timothy of the Anastasis.

840
00:44:39,620 --> 00:44:43,259
S10: It's this powerful Greek word of it's the very exhale

841
00:44:43,260 --> 00:44:46,420
S10: of God in written form. So here's my point. When

842
00:44:46,420 --> 00:44:51,330
S10: we as believers think back to when we first came

843
00:44:51,330 --> 00:44:54,330
S10: into a relationship with the Lord Jesus, and we began

844
00:44:54,330 --> 00:44:58,890
S10: to engage with God's Word and realize that this is

845
00:44:58,890 --> 00:45:02,569
S10: what God has said. It was transformative. And so that's

846
00:45:02,570 --> 00:45:04,890
S10: one of the things that I ask people all the time, hey,

847
00:45:05,090 --> 00:45:08,210
S10: if you find yourself in a spiritual slump and you

848
00:45:08,210 --> 00:45:11,089
S10: need that CPR as you're talking about, you need your

849
00:45:11,090 --> 00:45:14,010
S10: heart rekindled. I say, how much time are you spending

850
00:45:14,010 --> 00:45:17,330
S10: in God's Word? Are you listening to what he has said?

851
00:45:17,330 --> 00:45:20,170
S10: It's a very basic call to get back to the book.

852
00:45:20,570 --> 00:45:25,730
S1: Okay, so here's an interesting thing. This is this I'm

853
00:45:25,770 --> 00:45:27,890
S1: not trying to take a shot here, but you'll agree

854
00:45:27,890 --> 00:45:30,609
S1: with this. I think doctor Mark Yarborough is our guest

855
00:45:30,610 --> 00:45:35,290
S1: right now. You are the president of Dallas Theological Seminary. Now,

856
00:45:35,290 --> 00:45:39,770
S1: the old knock is don't go to cemetery. It's they're

857
00:45:39,770 --> 00:45:43,690
S1: called oftentimes cemeteries. And we all joke about that. And

858
00:45:43,690 --> 00:45:46,609
S1: when I went to Denver Seminary, I heard that over

859
00:45:46,610 --> 00:45:51,400
S1: and over again. I want you to delineate between people

860
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,040
S1: that know the word, and it begins to get cold

861
00:45:55,040 --> 00:46:00,760
S1: because they become knowledge brokers versus that alive dynamism, because

862
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,520
S1: that is a threat at seminary. It's a threat in

863
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,240
S1: church pews and chairs every weekend that we get puffed

864
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,360
S1: up with knowledge. So we know a lot about the word,

865
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,400
S1: but the word of God's not alive. It's not rekindling

866
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,680
S1: our heart. How do we get there and stay there?

867
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,160
S10: Well, I tell you, number one, I acknowledge what you're saying.

868
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,640
S10: I agree with what you're saying. And it is true

869
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:27,400
S10: that can happen anywhere because, uh, again, as you said, right.

870
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,400
S10: Knowledge can puff up, but knowledge can also be a

871
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,360
S10: really good thing to praise the Lord for that. But

872
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,279
S10: but what you're asking me is how how do we

873
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,520
S10: avoid against that? And I'd say the number one thing

874
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,439
S10: that I would say is that we've got to have

875
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,280
S10: a broken heart, a constant soft heart before the Lord,

876
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,779
S10: to let the spirit do his thing in our lives.

877
00:46:49,219 --> 00:46:53,100
S10: And so that is a temptation at seminary. It's a temptation,

878
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:55,819
S10: as you said, at a in the pew at a

879
00:46:55,820 --> 00:46:59,380
S10: Bible believing teaching church where you can be in a study.

880
00:46:59,660 --> 00:47:02,660
S10: You know, one of my mentors of the of the faith,

881
00:47:02,660 --> 00:47:05,819
S10: Howard Hendricks, long time professor at Dallas Seminary, now been

882
00:47:05,820 --> 00:47:08,380
S10: with the Lord forever. I can remember listening to him.

883
00:47:08,580 --> 00:47:11,380
S10: He had these professors and he would say all the time,

884
00:47:11,420 --> 00:47:15,020
S10: you know, the Bible was not written to satisfy your curiosity.

885
00:47:15,060 --> 00:47:17,660
S10: It was written to change your life.

886
00:47:18,780 --> 00:47:20,660
S12: That's the way he said it to.

887
00:47:21,219 --> 00:47:24,860
S10: There you go. That's it right there. I mean, yeah,

888
00:47:24,860 --> 00:47:27,259
S10: I'm all about, you know, knowing more information. And we

889
00:47:27,260 --> 00:47:29,180
S10: want our students to do that, right. We take Bible

890
00:47:29,180 --> 00:47:32,380
S10: competency tests. We want them to grow in their knowledge

891
00:47:32,380 --> 00:47:34,379
S10: of the Lord. But I tell you what, man, if

892
00:47:34,380 --> 00:47:39,020
S10: they have have not grown in their brokenness before the

893
00:47:39,020 --> 00:47:42,460
S10: Lord to have their life changed. And it means we failed.

894
00:47:42,860 --> 00:47:45,170
S10: And that's true of any believer. And that's why we're

895
00:47:45,170 --> 00:47:46,530
S10: talking about this topic today.

896
00:47:46,570 --> 00:47:50,170
S3: Doctor Mark Yarborough, our guest, the author of The Rekindled

897
00:47:50,170 --> 00:47:53,770
S3: Heart six essentials for Reviving Your Faith. Coming up, what

898
00:47:53,770 --> 00:47:57,330
S3: are the top three reasons that Christians struggle to keep

899
00:47:57,330 --> 00:48:00,850
S3: their walk with Christ vibrant? We'll ask him that question

900
00:48:00,850 --> 00:48:02,170
S3: coming up here on Karlyn Crew.

901
00:48:03,050 --> 00:48:07,290
S6: Standing on the rock each and every day. You're listening

902
00:48:07,330 --> 00:48:08,530
S6: to Carl and crew.

903
00:48:08,730 --> 00:48:09,690
S13: What are the top three.

904
00:48:09,690 --> 00:48:15,529
S3: Reasons that our Christian faith, our vibrancy, can start to fade?

905
00:48:15,690 --> 00:48:18,570
S3: Doctor Mark Yarborough with us right now. He's written a book,

906
00:48:18,610 --> 00:48:21,609
S3: The Kindled Heart Six Essentials for Reviving Your Faith. What

907
00:48:21,610 --> 00:48:23,570
S3: are those? Top three from your vantage point?

908
00:48:23,690 --> 00:48:24,930
S10: Well, I'll tell you what. There's a lot of things

909
00:48:24,930 --> 00:48:26,489
S10: I could say. Here's where I'm going to narrow it.

910
00:48:26,489 --> 00:48:28,770
S10: I'm going to say, number one is our own sin.

911
00:48:28,770 --> 00:48:30,969
S10: And that's not a pleasant thing for any of us

912
00:48:30,969 --> 00:48:34,090
S10: to talk about. But that's who we are. We're sinners,

913
00:48:34,090 --> 00:48:38,850
S10: and sometimes we find ourselves in the entrapments of the world.

914
00:48:39,250 --> 00:48:45,239
S10: And that will put a barrier between us and the

915
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,640
S10: growth of our faith, the working of the spirit in

916
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,239
S10: our lives. And I see that all the time when

917
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,759
S10: I'm talking with individuals. That's number one. I would say

918
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,839
S10: that number two, I would say it's the sin of

919
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,960
S10: the world. And what I mean by that is that

920
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:01,160
S10: we all live in this Genesis three broken world, and again,

921
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,040
S10: call it what it is. You live long enough, bad

922
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,200
S10: things happen and bad things happen to you. And I

923
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,799
S10: grieve when I when I talk with people of things

924
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,040
S10: that other people have done to them or circumstances in

925
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,960
S10: life that they had nothing to do with, but it

926
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,880
S10: was done to them. And that can at times, uh,

927
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,680
S10: build up a callousness in our sensitivity to the working

928
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,000
S10: of the spirit. Number three, I would say this. It's lethargy. Uh,

929
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,480
S10: that's a that's a word that should challenge every one

930
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,480
S10: of us. You know, I realize that we live in

931
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,200
S10: a culture where we are tempted to simply just even

932
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,240
S10: entertain ourselves to death, you know, back on that, that

933
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,359
S10: that very first one that we talked about before the

934
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,589
S10: break of having a Rekindled, you know, um, dependence upon

935
00:49:43,590 --> 00:49:47,069
S10: the Lord a a rekindled devotion. Uh, I took a

936
00:49:47,070 --> 00:49:50,990
S10: computer training class in a programming class years ago. Um,

937
00:49:51,110 --> 00:49:53,990
S10: and I'll never forget walking into class and this this

938
00:49:54,030 --> 00:49:57,910
S10: incredible programmer, uh, analyst walked in and he said, I

939
00:49:57,950 --> 00:50:00,310
S10: got one thing to tell you. Trash in, trash out.

940
00:50:00,350 --> 00:50:03,710
S10: What goes in, what comes in will go out all

941
00:50:03,710 --> 00:50:06,469
S10: these years later. I remember him saying that. And what

942
00:50:06,469 --> 00:50:09,830
S10: I know is that sometimes we fill our lives up

943
00:50:09,830 --> 00:50:12,989
S10: with the stuff of the world, and it's going to

944
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:15,029
S10: work its way out. And so those are the three

945
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:15,870
S10: things I'd say.

946
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:18,270
S1: Mark, I gotta tell you, man, we had we did

947
00:50:18,270 --> 00:50:22,310
S1: a little deal here years ago and, um, asked people,

948
00:50:22,310 --> 00:50:24,710
S1: what's the one thing that's keeping them back from everything

949
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:28,510
S1: that God has for them? Yeah. The sedentary lifestyle or

950
00:50:28,670 --> 00:50:33,310
S1: the biblical word sluggard or not redeeming time. Oh my goodness,

951
00:50:33,310 --> 00:50:35,070
S1: it was high on the list. Remember that Ali?

952
00:50:35,110 --> 00:50:35,630
S3: Oh, yeah.

953
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:37,830
S1: I mean, that was so high on the list. Speak

954
00:50:37,830 --> 00:50:40,899
S1: to that for a second because we we can do

955
00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:44,580
S1: so well for 18 hours, but we can find two, three,

956
00:50:44,620 --> 00:50:48,500
S1: four hours unredeemed. It's Satan's kitchen. He's cooking up junk

957
00:50:48,500 --> 00:50:52,620
S1: for us, man. It's it's sometimes it's just literally. Let's

958
00:50:52,620 --> 00:50:54,980
S1: use our hours well here. Right.

959
00:50:55,340 --> 00:50:57,180
S10: I tell you what I tell people, you know, you

960
00:50:57,219 --> 00:50:59,739
S10: got 24 hours in the day, seven days a week,

961
00:50:59,739 --> 00:51:02,140
S10: and you're going to fill up your minutes, your waking

962
00:51:02,180 --> 00:51:07,660
S10: hours doing something you are. And, um, so the question is,

963
00:51:07,700 --> 00:51:10,700
S10: is have you clocked your day? I think that is

964
00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:15,380
S10: an incredible discipline for believers to be in to say, what?

965
00:51:15,500 --> 00:51:18,259
S10: What am I actually doing? It is stunning how much

966
00:51:18,260 --> 00:51:22,379
S10: time there is in a day and what we're doing

967
00:51:22,380 --> 00:51:26,940
S10: with those minutes, and how to how to redeem those

968
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:30,740
S10: for the glory of God. And to again, just like

969
00:51:30,739 --> 00:51:33,620
S10: eating well, right. Putting good stuff in because that's going

970
00:51:33,660 --> 00:51:35,220
S10: to make a difference in what goes out.

971
00:51:35,420 --> 00:51:38,359
S3: Doctor Mark Yarborough, guest. Right now Talk about a time

972
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,360
S3: when you your own faith has dwindled.

973
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,120
S10: Oh my goodness. How long do we have?

974
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,759
S1: I'm glad that the president of Dallas Theological Seminary is

975
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:49,840
S1: willing to say that.

976
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,399
S10: Well, I tell you, I tell a story in a book.

977
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,040
S10: It's still a painful one in my life. Um, you know,

978
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:56,479
S10: and this goes all the way back to high school.

979
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,200
S10: I grew up in absolutely wonderful home. I grew up

980
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,080
S10: in a home that it was mom and dad. Dad. Jesus.

981
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,240
S10: I mean, I was introduced to the Lord and early on,

982
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,359
S10: and and, uh, came to faith at a young age, and,

983
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,160
S10: and I wasn't rebelling from the Lord in high school,

984
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,880
S10: but I wasn't. Listen to this. I didn't have a vibrant,

985
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,240
S10: active faith. Does that make sense? Yes. It wasn't a rebellion.

986
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,799
S10: It just wasn't. I wasn't actively living it out. I

987
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,920
S10: had a lifelong friend that I just kind of grew

988
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,400
S10: up with, and he went down a bit of a

989
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,520
S10: different path, and I could see it, and I knew it,

990
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,080
S10: and I just left it alone. I didn't challenge him

991
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,279
S10: on it. And, um, it was a tragic thing that

992
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:35,680
S10: happened because he died in a drunk driving accident. And, um,

993
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:40,149
S10: he was the drunk driver. And to this day, I

994
00:52:40,150 --> 00:52:43,149
S10: look back at that moment and thought, you know, I

995
00:52:43,150 --> 00:52:45,549
S10: should have been more active. Now, this is not a

996
00:52:45,710 --> 00:52:47,989
S10: guilt issue. That's not what I'm trying to go down

997
00:52:47,989 --> 00:52:50,750
S10: the path here. But I did have this tugging in

998
00:52:50,750 --> 00:52:53,029
S10: my heart of saying, man, Mark, did you lived it out?

999
00:52:53,070 --> 00:52:56,710
S10: Had you challenged him to not go down that path?

1000
00:52:56,710 --> 00:53:00,470
S10: If I had had a more vibrant, active faith and

1001
00:53:00,469 --> 00:53:04,310
S10: the Lord used that in my life from that point

1002
00:53:04,310 --> 00:53:08,230
S10: forward to say, don't ever miss an opportunity to talk

1003
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:10,830
S10: to someone about the Lord Jesus. It doesn't mean that

1004
00:53:10,830 --> 00:53:13,630
S10: you're going to see the results that you desire, but

1005
00:53:13,630 --> 00:53:16,310
S10: the Lord just simply calls us to be faithful, right?

1006
00:53:16,350 --> 00:53:18,870
S10: And to have that vibrant faith that can be a

1007
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:22,910
S10: connection for other people in some of their dark moments.

1008
00:53:23,070 --> 00:53:25,989
S10: So that's one story of a thousand that I could tell,

1009
00:53:26,030 --> 00:53:27,110
S10: just like all of you.

1010
00:53:27,150 --> 00:53:31,989
S1: Yeah. Yeah. This is compelling stuff, bro. Okay, the really

1011
00:53:31,989 --> 00:53:35,580
S1: quick hit here of the six essentials for reviving your faith.

1012
00:53:35,620 --> 00:53:38,060
S1: What's the most surprising one that people are going to

1013
00:53:38,060 --> 00:53:39,620
S1: find if they dig into this book?

1014
00:53:40,060 --> 00:53:42,900
S10: I think the the very last one is what I

1015
00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:46,299
S10: call rekindled zeal having a burden for the world. It

1016
00:53:46,300 --> 00:53:50,380
S10: is so easy for us to, uh, put the the

1017
00:53:50,420 --> 00:53:53,180
S10: hedges up and we live in our own little worlds.

1018
00:53:53,540 --> 00:53:57,420
S10: And again, in part of that, we're responsible to do that, right?

1019
00:53:57,460 --> 00:54:00,540
S10: My neighbors are not your neighbors, and vice versa. So

1020
00:54:00,580 --> 00:54:04,219
S10: I get that. But there is a call in Scripture

1021
00:54:04,219 --> 00:54:07,540
S10: of saying, lift your eyes up, set your eyes on

1022
00:54:07,540 --> 00:54:11,060
S10: things above. And one of the heartbeats of God is

1023
00:54:11,060 --> 00:54:15,700
S10: for the nations. And and something happens to us when

1024
00:54:15,700 --> 00:54:19,339
S10: we lift our head up and we see what is

1025
00:54:19,340 --> 00:54:23,940
S10: important to God, that God is more concerned about people

1026
00:54:24,219 --> 00:54:28,779
S10: than things, that God has a heartbeat for his word

1027
00:54:28,860 --> 00:54:33,490
S10: to transform all people in all cultures because he is

1028
00:54:33,489 --> 00:54:37,529
S10: the God that is for all people, and that he

1029
00:54:37,530 --> 00:54:41,450
S10: has provided a Savior that is for all people. And

1030
00:54:41,450 --> 00:54:45,569
S10: a spirit is available that he is available to indwell

1031
00:54:45,570 --> 00:54:49,370
S10: all people. He trains our lives. And so here we

1032
00:54:49,370 --> 00:54:53,090
S10: are saying, what happens when we do that is that

1033
00:54:53,090 --> 00:54:55,690
S10: it takes us out of our own world, and sometimes

1034
00:54:55,690 --> 00:54:57,569
S10: we can all have our own little pity party in

1035
00:54:57,570 --> 00:55:00,810
S10: our own little world. Right? And it it gets our

1036
00:55:00,810 --> 00:55:04,650
S10: eyes focused on what God is concerned about. And so

1037
00:55:04,690 --> 00:55:07,210
S10: I think when we go in, in the book and

1038
00:55:07,210 --> 00:55:11,370
S10: we look at at Psalm 67 and we, we see

1039
00:55:11,370 --> 00:55:13,850
S10: that that God is having this call for the nations

1040
00:55:13,850 --> 00:55:16,890
S10: to be glad. Uh, it makes us realize the grace

1041
00:55:16,890 --> 00:55:19,330
S10: of God that has been poured out upon us. And

1042
00:55:19,330 --> 00:55:21,810
S10: if you are a grace recipient, you're called to be

1043
00:55:21,810 --> 00:55:22,730
S10: a grace giver.

1044
00:55:22,930 --> 00:55:25,489
S3: The book is called The Rekindled Heart six essentials for

1045
00:55:25,489 --> 00:55:28,850
S3: Reviving Your Faith by our guest, doctor Mark Yarborough. Just

1046
00:55:28,850 --> 00:55:34,440
S3: text heart to 805 5557898. If you want the details,

1047
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:39,240
S3: text Hart to (800) 555-7898.

1048
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:44,320
S6: A basketball mom who's mastered the dad joke. Ali is

1049
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,960
S6: in the crew. It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

1050
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,920
S1: Okay, it's Wednesday, it's hump day, and it's bottom of

1051
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:58,880
S1: the hour. It's appointment listening for probably 20,000 people right now. So, Ali,

1052
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,719
S1: you don't disappoint, sister.

1053
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,960
S6: It's time making herself laugh no matter who joins her.

1054
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,840
S6: It's time for Ali thinks it's funny.

1055
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,680
S3: Love. When I get jokes submissions, I want to shout

1056
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:17,080
S3: out a little Abby, who recently I met at an event.

1057
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:21,319
S3: She is a friend of a friend and she gave

1058
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,799
S3: me a little joke book. She's about third grade and

1059
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,600
S3: she had a gift for me, and she walked up

1060
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,480
S3: to me and she gave me a book of unicorn jokes.

1061
00:56:29,660 --> 00:56:32,420
S3: So shout out to Abby, who is a regular listener

1062
00:56:32,420 --> 00:56:35,500
S3: to this segment. Anyone in the room ever owned a

1063
00:56:35,500 --> 00:56:36,860
S3: Ford Fiesta?

1064
00:56:37,340 --> 00:56:37,860
S2: No.

1065
00:56:37,860 --> 00:56:40,300
S3: No no. Those little mini cars?

1066
00:56:40,340 --> 00:56:41,060
S4: Sure. Yeah. Yeah.

1067
00:56:41,100 --> 00:56:44,620
S3: Ever owned one? No. No. No. Ever seen one? Yes. Yes.

1068
00:56:44,660 --> 00:56:47,580
S3: Ever seen a Ford Fiesta that had run out of

1069
00:56:47,620 --> 00:56:49,620
S3: gas on the side of the road?

1070
00:56:49,660 --> 00:56:50,259
S1: Missed that.

1071
00:56:50,260 --> 00:56:52,820
S3: Not to memory. What do you call a Ford Fiesta

1072
00:56:52,860 --> 00:56:54,580
S3: that runs out of gas?

1073
00:56:55,940 --> 00:56:58,460
S1: Hey, you got me Ford Fiesta.

1074
00:57:01,300 --> 00:57:02,780
S2: That's really good, I like that.

1075
00:57:03,420 --> 00:57:07,180
S1: That's classic, dad. That's classic, that's classic.

1076
00:57:07,219 --> 00:57:10,219
S3: Okay. Along those same lines of, oh, what do you

1077
00:57:10,260 --> 00:57:12,660
S3: call it? Because I like these jokes. What do you

1078
00:57:12,660 --> 00:57:17,660
S3: call a a scared dinosaur? All the different types of dinosaurs.

1079
00:57:17,780 --> 00:57:19,460
S3: You can name a couple if you've got a kid

1080
00:57:19,460 --> 00:57:24,940
S3: who likes Brachiosaurus. Triceratops. What about one who's just kind

1081
00:57:24,940 --> 00:57:27,300
S3: of nervous? A little scared?

1082
00:57:27,660 --> 00:57:28,290
S4: All right.

1083
00:57:28,330 --> 00:57:28,570
S2: I don't.

1084
00:57:28,570 --> 00:57:29,970
S3: Know. Nervous wrecks.

1085
00:57:32,530 --> 00:57:37,210
S14: That's really good. That's really good.

1086
00:57:38,090 --> 00:57:45,530
S3: Text jokes to 800 555 7898. Text jokes to 800

1087
00:57:45,610 --> 00:57:48,330
S3: 555 7898.

1088
00:57:48,370 --> 00:57:50,930
S1: Because Ali thinks it's funny. She cracks up at her

1089
00:57:50,930 --> 00:57:52,130
S1: own material.

1090
00:57:52,170 --> 00:57:53,010
S3: Never fails.

1091
00:57:53,050 --> 00:57:55,450
S1: Yeah. It's good. You even got a smile out of

1092
00:57:55,450 --> 00:57:56,450
S1: Superdad on that one.

1093
00:57:56,930 --> 00:57:59,130
S3: Well, I mean, the Jurassic Park theme song. You got

1094
00:57:59,130 --> 00:58:01,250
S3: to at least enjoy that. Exactly, exactly.

1095
00:58:01,290 --> 00:58:02,250
S14: Nervous wrecks.

1096
00:58:02,290 --> 00:58:03,090
S3: Nervous wrecks.

1097
00:58:03,330 --> 00:58:05,770
S2: I like that. I'm ashamed to say it took me

1098
00:58:05,770 --> 00:58:07,530
S2: a second, but. Oh, no.

1099
00:58:08,210 --> 00:58:08,890
S1: Oh, no.

1100
00:58:09,090 --> 00:58:11,250
S3: See? And you get mad. You get mad at me

1101
00:58:11,250 --> 00:58:12,930
S3: when I say, did you get that? I know, let

1102
00:58:12,930 --> 00:58:13,850
S3: me explain it to you.

1103
00:58:13,890 --> 00:58:16,450
S2: I explain most of the time, but yeah, that one

1104
00:58:16,450 --> 00:58:19,090
S2: it took me. I was I was waiting for, like, saurus,

1105
00:58:19,130 --> 00:58:22,290
S2: like Tyrannosaurus rex, and then I. And it didn't come.

1106
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S2: And then I was like, oh, nervous wrecks. And I

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S2: was almost too ashamed to say.

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S1: Oh, goodness.

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S3: Yeah, you got it.