WEBVTT - With Paul in Prison at Caesarea Maritima

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<v S1>Prison. The very word feels like a bucket of ice

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<v S1>dumped down your back. But believers throughout the ages have

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<v S1>known what it means to spend time in prison. Just

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<v S1>ask the apostle Paul. Actually, we're about to do better

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<v S1>than that. Just ahead, we'll be leaving our studios, and

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<v S1>we'll bring you the sights and sounds of Caesarea maritime,

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<v S1>a prison excavation. Welcome to the land. And the book

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<v S1>with noted Israel expert doctor Charlie Dyer. I'm John Geiger.

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<v S1>You know, Charlie, a lot of people ask, how do

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<v S1>I share the gospel with my Jewish friend? And that's

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<v S1>a good question. And that question recognizes the need, I think,

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<v S1>for a sensitive approach to sharing with our Jewish friends.

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<v S2>You know, it does, John. That's why our friends at

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<v S1>Well, let's swing our focus toward current events throughout the

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<v S1>Middle East region. Serious disagreements between the US and Israel

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<v S1>are now surfacing over Israel's continuing conflict with Hamas. What's

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<v S1>causing these fissures and what impact might they have on

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<v S1>the course of the war?

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<v S2>Unfortunately, the fissures are being caused by fundamental disagreements between

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<v S2>the white House and Israel. President Biden called Israel's military

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<v S2>campaign against Hamas over the top. When asked for clarification,

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<v S2>the white House said the president wants Hamas defeated, but

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<v S2>that Israel must do so while protecting civilians. There's also

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<v S2>a clear interpersonal tension going on between the president and

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<v S2>the Prime minister. One reason the tension is escalated is

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<v S2>Israel's impending attack against Hamas's last remaining stronghold of Rafah.

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<v S2>Because of the previous fighting, about 1.4 million of Gaza's

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<v S2>2.3 million people are now packed into this relatively small area,

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<v S2>and the US and other Western leaders are concerned about

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<v S2>the impact of fighting on those civilians. In a 45

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<v S2>minute call last Sunday, President Biden bluntly told Netanyahu not

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<v S2>to press into Rafah without a credible plan for civilians.

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<v S2>Prime Minister Netanyahu countered that to defeat Hamas, Israel must

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<v S2>operate in Rafah for battalions of Hamas fighters remain in Rafah.

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<v S2>In addition to Hamas's leadership and the hostages, Netanyahu has

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<v S2>ordered a plan to be developed that allows for the

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<v S2>evacuation of civilians while still pushing forward with the war

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<v S2>against Hamas. One option being explored is to set up

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<v S2>15 tent cities along the coast of Gaza, each with

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<v S2>25,000 tents. But let me go back to the reason

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<v S2>for these fissures widening. Two other factors appear to be

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<v S2>in play. The first is the way both countries view

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<v S2>the war. As one Israeli pundit put it, the US

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<v S2>is still stuck in October 6th. It assumes the solution

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<v S2>to all the problems in the Middle East is the

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<v S2>establishment of a Palestinian state, forgetting that Hamas attack was unprovoked,

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<v S2>and that Hamas has said it will never accept the

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<v S2>existence of a Jewish state of Israel. Israel sees Hamas

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<v S2>and its ideology as a deadly cancer, threatening their very lives,

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<v S2>and they won't stop until the cancer is removed. The

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<v S2>US is more willing to let a weakened Hamas remain.

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<v S2>The other factor at play is our upcoming presidential election.

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<v S2>Progressives and Muslims are sharply critical of President Biden's support

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<v S2>for Israel in the war against Hamas, and he appears

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<v S2>to be pushing Israel to wind down the war to

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<v S2>satisfy those voters. A memorandum issued by the white House

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<v S2>last week requires countries receiving U.S. military funding to prove

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<v S2>their following international humanitarian and human rights laws. Most countries

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<v S2>have 180 days to comply, but Israel was only given

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<v S2>45 days. This is the kind of pressure the US

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<v S2>is placing on Israel to try to force them to

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<v S2>pull back and stop short of total victory, or risk

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<v S2>losing U.S. support and future military aid.

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<v S1>Well, why is so much pressure being placed on Israel

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<v S1>from the US, the UN and Europe to reach a

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<v S1>ceasefire and end the conflict? Is the concern for both

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<v S1>the hostages and the civilians in Gaza truly legitimate?

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<v S2>The concern for the hostages and the civilians in Gaza

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<v S2>is indeed legitimate. The problem is that those saying this

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<v S2>most loudly also seem to be implying that Israel isn't

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<v S2>concerned about them, and that's just not the case. The

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<v S2>chair of the Urban warfare studies at West Point posted

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<v S2>a week ago, and said Israel has done more to

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<v S2>minimize civilian casualties than any other military in the history

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<v S2>of war. He gave examples such as calling or texting

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<v S2>ahead of a strike to warn civilians. The so-called roof

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<v S2>knocking to let residents know the building's about to be bombed.

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<v S2>Evacuating urban areas before the full air and ground attack begin. Now,

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<v S2>on the other side of the equation, it's Hamas that

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<v S2>deliberately embedded themselves within civilian population centers, used hospitals, mosques,

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<v S2>schools and even UN buildings as shields as they built

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<v S2>their control centers underneath them. Hamas, not Israel, is the

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<v S2>one who attack civilians and took civilians as hostages. Family

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<v S2>of the hostages have actually filed a war crime complaint

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<v S2>against Hamas in The Hague. The West does want to

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<v S2>help civilians and hostages, but they're also motivated by unrest

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<v S2>within their own growing Muslim population. The question now is

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<v S2>what will happen next? If Israel goes after Hamas and Rafah,

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<v S2>they'll be condemned by the world. It's possible the current

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<v S2>talks could force Hamas to accept a more reasonable hostage deal,

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<v S2>perhaps allowing the hostages to go in exchange for allowing

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<v S2>Hamas leadership and and some fighters to go into exile.

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<v S2>But right now, Europe and the US, for their own

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<v S2>political reasons, are war weary. While Israel's pushing for victory

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<v S2>over Hamas, Hamas is hoping these other nations will force

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<v S2>Israel to stop before it's too late for them. They

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<v S2>don't care about civilians or hostages, except to use them

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<v S2>as bargaining chips to remain in power.

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<v S1>From Moody Radio, this is the land and the book

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<v S1>with our host, Doctor Charlie Dyer, noted Israel expert. I'm

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<v S1>John Hager. Charlie, let's turn for a moment from the

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<v S1>conflict in the Middle East to take a look at

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<v S1>the archaeological news from the Euphrates to the Nile. A

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<v S1>recent study focused on dating the Ishtar Gate in Babylon

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<v S1>using archaea magnetism. What is archaea magnetism, and what did

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<v S1>the researchers discover about that gate?

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<v S2>Archaeal magnetism is the study of geomagnetic data, in this

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<v S2>case taken from samples in the bricks of Babylon's Ishtar

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<v S2>Gate to help date when it was built, some of

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<v S2>the bricks in the Ishtar Gate were inscribed with the

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<v S2>name of King Nebuchadnezzar, so they had a clear general

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<v S2>idea of when it was built. Slight changes in the

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<v S2>magnetic field of the bricks from which samples were taken

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<v S2>show that the building process took place in phases over

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<v S2>several years, apparently after other nearby building projects caused the

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<v S2>street to be raised. The original unglazed Ishtar Gate that's

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<v S2>still in Babylon. I've walked on it, but you need

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<v S2>to go down a flight of stairs to reach it.

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<v S2>Nebuchadnezzar covered that gate and replaced it with one made

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<v S2>of glazed brick. And that gate is the one that's

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<v S2>now in the Pergamum Museum in Berlin. Well, what the

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<v S2>archaeologists discovered was that the construction on this revised Ishtar

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<v S2>Gate didn't begin until about 583 BC. That's three years

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<v S2>after the destruction of Jerusalem, and the construction continued for

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<v S2>several years. This study reminds me of Nebuchadnezzar's words in

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<v S2>Daniel 430. You know, that's when he boasted, is this

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<v S2>not Babylon the Great, which I myself have built? Well,

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<v S2>he might have even been looking at the remodeled Ishtar Gate,

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<v S2>rising right next to his palace on which he was

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<v S2>standing when he made those words in any case, this

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<v S2>new study simply reminds us that Nebuchadnezzar's prideful statement was true.

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<v S2>He was constantly remodeling, improving, and beautifying his city, which

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<v S2>he saw as a monument to his greatness.

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<v S1>Moving from the Euphrates to the Nile, Egypt announced its

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<v S1>project of the century to fully restore one of the

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<v S1>three main pyramids in Giza. What do they hope to

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<v S1>accomplish here, Charlie? And how is that plan being received?

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<v S2>Well, this story takes us into the realm of the bizarre. Initially,

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<v S2>Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities announced a project to restore

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<v S2>the smallest of the three main pyramids in Giza by

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<v S2>refinancing it with granite so that it would look exactly

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<v S2>like it did when it was initially built 4500 years ago.

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<v S2>The problem is that this would fundamentally change the look

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<v S2>of the pyramid and make it garishly stand out from

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<v S2>the other two larger pyramids nearby. Needless to say, the

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<v S2>project has come under fire from historians and archaeologists who

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<v S2>see it almost as a desecration. It would be like

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<v S2>rebuilding the Colosseum in Rome or adding a roof back

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<v S2>on the Acropolis in Athens. In light of the uproar,

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<v S2>the Minister of Tourism issued a decree forming a committee

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<v S2>to review the restoration project and issue its recommendations. No

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<v S2>time frame was announced, and I'm kind of hoping that

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<v S2>this project dies a quiet death in committee.

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<v S1>Okay, well, as the war in Gaza continues, Israel's high

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<v S1>tech community is using innovation and technology to save lives

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<v S1>and bring closure to those who have lost loved ones.

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<v S1>Tell us about these war inspired innovations from amazing Israel.

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<v S2>Yeah, both of them involve artificial intelligence, and the first

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<v S2>is the use of artificial intelligence to review scans and

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<v S2>send alerts to doctors. One woman was shot by Hamas

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<v S2>and rushed to the hospital and underwent a variety of scans.

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<v S2>The scans were then pushed through the AI platform, designed

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<v S2>to detect different pathologies, and it detected a lethal tiny

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<v S2>aneurysm in her brain and immediately notified. The appropriate staff

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<v S2>via text in mass casualty events like that of October 7th.

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<v S2>The program can help triage and prioritize care for patients.

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<v S2>The other AI program developed allows for more rapid and

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<v S2>accurate identification of victims in mass casualty events. Israel suddenly

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<v S2>had to deal with thousands of bodies, some that appeared

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<v S2>to be burned or mutilated, almost beyond recognition. They first

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<v S2>performed CT scans on all the bodies, looking for any

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<v S2>identifiable markers like pacemakers, surgery scars, hip replacements, things like that.

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<v S2>Some bodies, though, were virtually disintegrated, with only small bone

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<v S2>fragments remaining. They then gathered all the medical records of

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<v S2>anybody reported missing, and the AI program then performed an

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<v S2>automatic comparison of up to 117 skeletal parts to try

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<v S2>to match the remains with any available evidence using the program,

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<v S2>which also included DNA evidence, fingerprints, dental records. When available,

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<v S2>the pathologists were able to identify many of those who'd

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<v S2>been killed, providing some closure to grieving families. The truly

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<v S2>amazing aspect of all this is that both of these

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<v S2>AI programs were developed in a matter of weeks, under

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<v S2>some of the most difficult circumstances, highlighting the impact of

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<v S2>these dedicated scientists, doctors and researchers in amazing Israel.

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<v S1>Well, so much going on in the Middle East right now, Charlie.

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<v S1>We're told to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. Would

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<v S1>you lead us in a brief prayer even now?

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<v S2>Yeah, I will, John. Father, we do pray for the

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<v S2>peace of Jerusalem. We ask that you would help the

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<v S2>fighting to stop, give the leadership wisdom and knowing the

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<v S2>best decisions to be made, and then protect those, especially

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<v S2>those who are trying to protect the rest of the

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<v S2>land of Israel. Give them safety and we pray for

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<v S2>that peace in Jesus name. Amen.

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<v S1>And we invite you to be praying for the peace

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<v S1>of Jerusalem as well throughout the day. Up next, here

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<v S1>on the land in the book, it's a visit to

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<v S1>a prison excavation. Not just any prison. It's where Paul

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<v S1>was held right on the Mediterranean coast. Hope you'll stick

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<v S1>around for more here on Moody Radio's The Land and

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<v S1>the book. Prison. Boy, the very word feels like a

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<v S1>bucket of ice dumped down your back, doesn't it? But

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<v S1>believers throughout the ages have known what it means to

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<v S1>spend time in prison. Just ask the Apostle Paul. Actually,

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<v S1>we're about to do better than that. Hey, welcome back

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<v S1>to the land in the book. It's our second segment

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<v S1>on the program. Our host, Doctor Charlie Dyer, spent many

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<v S1>years as a licensed Israeli tour guide. I'm John Geiger,

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<v S1>always hungry to learn something new, especially when we're traveling

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<v S1>together with our wives in Israel. It's a privilege to

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<v S1>be here, Charlie, isn't it?

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<v S2>It is John. Absolutely. What a great place to study

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<v S2>God's word.

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<v S1>Okay, people are picking up a little bit of background sound. Exactly.

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<v S1>Where are we, Charlie?

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<v S2>We are in sensory. Actually, we're in Caesarea maritime. That

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<v S2>is Caesarea by the sea, which distinguishes it from Caesarea Philippi,

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<v S2>which is back up by Mount Hermon. Now, this city

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<v S2>was built by Herod the Great. It actually extends onto

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<v S2>the Mediterranean. And we're about 30 miles north of Israel's

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<v S2>old city port of Joppa.

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<v S1>So we are just feet away from the edges of

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<v S1>the shoreline here, the waves coming in real nice as

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<v S1>we record today.

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<v S2>It's a beautiful day. All right.

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<v S1>The significance of this place is what, Charlie?

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<v S2>Well, in New Testament times, it was Herod the Great's

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<v S2>lifeline to Rome. The empire is the Romans. They kept

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<v S2>him in power. In fact, Herod literally had this city

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<v S2>rise out of the sand. Now, there was no good

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<v S2>port in this area. There's no dependable water supply. There's

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<v S2>no significant road links. In short, there was no strategic

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<v S2>advantage to this place. But Herod needed a connection to

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<v S2>Rome that was not connected to the Jewish people, even

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<v S2>though he was king of the Jews. And for his security,

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<v S2>building a new port out of nothing gave him that

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<v S2>strategic link. Until he built this, ships had to dock

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<v S2>out at sea on their way from door in the

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<v S2>north to Joppa in the south. And so Herod needed

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<v S2>this strategic port.

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<v S1>Well, the waves of the Mediterranean in the background. And

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<v S1>what a sight it is. Paul, of course, was arrested

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<v S1>in Jerusalem and taken by a Roman guard to Caesarea,

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<v S1>where we are now. How big might that party have

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<v S1>been accompanying Paul, and how long might the trip have taken?

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<v S2>Yeah, we tend to skip over those details, but it's

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<v S2>a major operation. 40 Jewish zealots are taking an oath

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<v S2>saying that they weren't going to drink or eat anything

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<v S2>until they could ambush and kill Paul. So when the

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<v S2>commander of the fortress heard that he put together a

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<v S2>major force to take Paul from Jerusalem necessary. In fact,

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<v S2>acts 23 says that they had 200 foot soldiers and

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<v S2>70 horsemen, and then they also had an additional 200

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<v S2>spearmen or archers, depending on the translation there. That's 470

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<v S2>Romans in a force. And they left the barracks. It

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<v S2>makes note at 9 p.m., which is about the time

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<v S2>everything would shut down for the night in Jerusalem. So

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<v S2>they're slipping away in the dark. And they marched all

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<v S2>night to Antipater, which is a 30 mile hike. Now again,

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<v S2>400 of those guys are not on horses. They're marching

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<v S2>on foot. That would take a good seven hours to

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<v S2>hike that far, that at that point they let the

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<v S2>400 soldiers head back. The 70 horsemen with Paul on

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<v S2>a horse, then made the additional 30 mile journey from

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<v S2>there to Caesarea. So it was a two day journey

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<v S2>to get Paul up here and a major force.

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<v S1>And I think about the water that would have been required,

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<v S1>not just for the people to drink, but the animals

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<v S1>as well, the food they would have had to eat

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<v S1>in on the journey.

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<v S2>Oh yeah, they had. Now the Romans were good at logistics,

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<v S2>but you had to get all those logistics ready that fast.

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<v S2>Had to be a major operation.

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<v S1>Okay, so when they arrived at this place with Paul,

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<v S1>how do we know that this place where we now

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<v S1>stand is likely the place?

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<v S2>Well, there's actually several clues that let us know. The

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<v S2>last verse in acts 23 says, Paul was kept in

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<v S2>Herod's praetorium. The praetorium was the palace or headquarters, which

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<v S2>places Paul at the the guard barracks for Herod the

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<v S2>Great originally. And that's where the Roman governors then lived afterward.

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<v S2>But the word in that context has the idea of

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<v S2>a soldiers barracks or headquarters. So as we were walking

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<v S2>through the site, they're actually excavating right now, that spot

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<v S2>underground where the barracks was, and likely that's where Paul

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<v S2>was kept. So putting it all together, it looks like

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<v S2>the palace complexes where Paul was and specifically underground in

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<v S2>that palace complex. Okay, you.

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<v S1>Have touched on the very next question I want to

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<v S1>ask underground, what might those prison conditions have been like

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<v S1>during Paul's day?

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<v S2>Well, okay, I'll start with some good news. He probably

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<v S2>wasn't kept in stocks. He wasn't kept in solitary confinement.

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<v S2>He was allowed to have visitors. We know, but the

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<v S2>prison complex was underground. And it's likely that Paul wouldn't

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<v S2>have gotten the fresh air break that we give modern

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<v S2>prisoners today out in the yard. So he was stuck

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<v S2>underground underneath the atrium or garden area of Herod's Palace.

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<v S2>It would have been dark. I suspect it would have

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<v S2>been smelly, probably damp in there. Right? Being right here

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<v S2>as we are right next to the ocean. Uh, likely

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<v S2>he got normal food rations, probably the same rations fed

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<v S2>to the soldiers, but it would not have been a

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<v S2>pleasant place.

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<v S1>That's Doctor Charlie Dyer, host of the land in the book,

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<v S1>who is leading a tour in Israel. We've tagged along

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<v S1>with our microphones here with the broadcast to kind of

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<v S1>tap into his expertise on today's program. Well, describe a best.

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<v S1>Case scenario for archaeologists working at this site, what would

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<v S1>their highest hopes look like or have looked like? You know,

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<v S1>I think.

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<v S2>They'd love to be able to reconstruct what it was

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<v S2>like in the that first century era, the New Testament era,

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<v S2>we would say, and what it was like in the

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<v S2>days of the second Jewish revolt against Rome. They did

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<v S2>discover an inscription made by some female prisoner in that

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<v S2>prison that asked the Lord Jesus to help Procopius, someone

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<v S2>from the first century, very likely someone who was a

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<v S2>imprisoned in that prison. In AD 135, Jewish Rabbi Akiva

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<v S2>was imprisoned in Caesarea, probably in that same prison as well.

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<v S2>And we know from history he was taken out then

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<v S2>and executed.

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<v S1>Well, what kind of a time frame would you guess

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<v S1>would be required for a thorough excavation and the cataloguing

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<v S1>of all the contents here? Is it years from now, 510,

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<v S1>or is it mostly done?

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<v S2>You know, it's two months ago I saw that excavation

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<v S2>for the first time. So last year it didn't exist.

0:18:15.540 --> 0:18:18.210
<v S2>Two months ago was there? Today it's a lot even

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<v S2>more expanded. And when you see somebody with a jackhammer inside,

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<v S2>you know that they're not doing it in a slow,

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<v S2>methodical fashion. They are really trying to reconstruct this area

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<v S2>and doing it as quickly as possible.

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<v S1>Well, if Paul were to revisit this site today, right

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<v S1>where we are now standing, would he recognize it at

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<v S1>all for the place it was in his day? Why

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<v S1>or why not?

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<v S2>Well, I think he would somewhat recognize it, though he'd

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<v S2>be a bit confused at first. The the ocean has

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<v S2>carved away some of the areas that would have been

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<v S2>familiar to him, and yet he would have seen this

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<v S2>palace complex, would have at least known those foundations that existed.

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<v S2>The prison would have been familiar to him by by

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<v S2>all means. And certainly the theater was there. Now. He

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<v S2>wouldn't have seen all that beautiful aluminum girding and modern

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<v S2>equipment in that theater. But but otherwise I think he

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<v S2>would have understood it and and said, yeah, I've been here.

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<v S1>We're on the very shores of the Mediterranean Ocean, Herod's

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<v S1>palace built out over the Mediterranean, a helicopter flying by.

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<v S1>We're having a great time talking about Paul's rather uncomfortable.

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<v S1>Stay here in the underground prison. Take us to a

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<v S1>place in Scripture that welds this place to the passage. Okay?

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<v S2>Even as that helicopter flies overhead on the passage, I

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<v S2>would think of as acts 23 and 24, you know,

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<v S2>we can mentally travel with Paul from Jerusalem to Caesarea.

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<v S2>We can watch as he's delivered to the prison. The

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<v S2>conditions look abysmal to us. But Paul might have said

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<v S2>at least the place was relatively clean and comfortable. Uh,

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<v S2>the food was good and it wasn't going to be

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<v S2>mistreated here. Certainly wasn't anybody here who's going to try

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<v S2>and put him to death at that point. Uh, but remember,

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<v S2>this is a guy who said he learned all things

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<v S2>through all things. He's going to be content. So I

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<v S2>think Paul would have said, yeah, it looks fine.

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<v S1>Why did this prison cease being a prison? What factors

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<v S1>might have contributed to Caesarea itself fading from prominence?

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<v S2>Well over time? The harbor sank beneath the Mediterranean. It

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<v S2>could have been destroyed by a massive storm or by

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<v S2>an earthquake. We don't know the exact date or cause,

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<v S2>but what we do know is that eventually it ceased

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<v S2>being used as a major harbor. They constructed a much

0:20:17.609 --> 0:20:21.119
<v S2>smaller harbor there, but it really kind of sank into obscurity,

0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:25.260
<v S2>if you will. So the aqueducts shifted. The part of

0:20:25.260 --> 0:20:27.419
<v S2>them were washed away by a storm. So there was

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<v S2>water supply ceased being here that was supplying it with

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<v S2>everything it needed. So eventually this place just seemed to

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<v S2>settle back into the backwater that it was before Herod

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<v S2>the Great came along.

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<v S1>One thing that struck me as you were speaking with

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<v S1>our tour group, Charlie, is we're pointing out the luxury

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<v S1>that Herod enjoyed in his palace, a swimming pool that

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<v S1>was out over the Mediterranean itself. But the placement of

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<v S1>this prison where Paul was, is so close. Why would

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<v S1>you build it so close? And then why not get

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<v S1>the the low life further away from the the hoity toity.

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<v S2>Ah, because the praetorium was the the guards. They were the,

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<v S2>the Secret service, if you will, guarding Herod. And so

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<v S2>Paul would have been kept with the Secret Service, and

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<v S2>the Secret Service were near where the king was, uh, underground,

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<v S2>out of sight. Uh, you know, it wasn't like something

0:21:14.100 --> 0:21:16.860
<v S2>that stuck out at him, but indeed, uh, he wanted

0:21:16.859 --> 0:21:19.710
<v S2>them close by because Herod valued security.

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<v S1>So we passed a really important stone or a mock

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<v S1>up or a recreation of a stone on the way,

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<v S1>and talk about that stone and the character that we

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<v S1>read in biblical history. Yeah.

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<v S2>Fascinating Stone, because it's it's a description, actually, the theater

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<v S2>that was built by Herod the Great had to be

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<v S2>remodeled probably a hundred years later, some of the seats

0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:41.040
<v S2>needed to be replaced. And, uh, some enterprising construction worker decided,

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<v S2>I'll just rip this old sign off this dilapidated building,

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<v S2>flip it on its end, and slide it in as

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<v S2>a new seat. And underneath that theater, when the when

0:21:48.660 --> 0:21:51.629
<v S2>the excavated it by archaeologists, they, they found on it,

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<v S2>it mentioned, uh, the the sign was for a building

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<v S2>called the Tiberium Tiberius Caesar and had been built by

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<v S2>Pontius Pilate, the prefect of Judah.

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<v S1>What does that say? By way of tongue in cheek

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<v S1>humor about the the Bible's impression of of these people? Yeah.

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<v S2>Well, you know, I look at it two ways, because

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<v S2>there were people who said Pontius Pilate didn't even exist.

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<v S2>And it's embarrassing to have an inscription to someone that

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<v S2>these critics didn't think was around. But on the other side,

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<v S2>it's like they thought they were so important building these

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<v S2>inscriptions and putting their names out there. And. Finally got

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<v S2>someone's tush. Can can sit on it. And that's that's

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<v S2>good enough for me.

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<v S1>That's doctor Charlie dire. I'm John Jaeger. This is the

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<v S1>land in the book, a special edition. As we join

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<v S1>you today from Israel. We're in the north. We're by

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<v S1>the Mediterranean Ocean. Man. It's so close. Charlie, I feel

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<v S1>like I got to get my feet wet. Well, you.

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<v S2>Have the opportunity, John.

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<v S1>All right. In addition to that stone, other archaeological evidence

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<v S1>here impacting our understanding of the New Testament, talk about

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<v S1>that which has been discovered and that which is being discovered, likely. Well,

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<v S1>you know.

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<v S2>Caesarea, we usually have it as our first stop, because

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<v S2>there is so much here that pulls people into this

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<v S2>time of the Bible. Uh, the characteristics, I would say

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<v S2>of Herod the Great, uh, of, uh, his massive building projects,

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<v S2>the inscription, you know, that we just talked about found

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<v S2>on the underside of that seat, mentioning Pontius Pilate, prefect

0:23:05.090 --> 0:23:07.310
<v S2>of Judah. Uh, but Paul likely gave his message. And

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<v S2>that's what we just talked about with the group at

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<v S2>the end, uh, to Festus and Agrippa and the prison

0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:13.580
<v S2>where Paul spent years of his life. You know, those

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<v S2>are real people. They were real events in the Bible.

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<v S2>And I think this is one of those places where

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<v S2>you stand and suddenly say, wow, it did happen right here.

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<v S1>All right. How about your best guess as Paul sat

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<v S1>there in prison, likely underground, as you've pointed out, did

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<v S1>he hope and even expect that he might someday return

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<v S1>from Rome as a freed person? Or do you think

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<v S1>he probably understood that this was, quite frankly, a one

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<v S1>way trip? You know, in this.

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<v S2>Time in his life, I really think Paul expected to

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<v S2>gain his freedom. And here's why I say that in

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<v S2>in Romans, which he he was writing before he had

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<v S2>ever gone to Rome. Paul said he was, uh, taking

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<v S2>a collection in Greece at that time, going back to

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<v S2>the church here in Jerusalem to bring it. And then

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<v S2>his plan was to travel to Rome, he says, on

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<v S2>his way to Spain. And God changed the timing for

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<v S2>his trip. God changed the way he was going to

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<v S2>get to Rome for that trip. But I think Paul

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<v S2>had it all planned. He said, God's going to take

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<v S2>me to Rome, I'm going to go to Spain. And

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<v S2>I really do think that's what Paul expected to happen.

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<v S1>All right. What about some lessons that we can take

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<v S1>from Paul and his stay at this ancient prison location

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<v S1>on the Mediterranean? You know.

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<v S2>Philippians is what comes to mind. You stand over there

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<v S2>and look down into that prison, and then you remember

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<v S2>what Paul said in Philippians four, you know, in verses

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<v S2>11 and 13, which he wrote after spending years in

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<v S2>Caesarea and during the shipwreck and everything, he said, I've

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<v S2>learned to be content in whatever circumstances I'm in. And

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<v S2>then two verses later he said, I can do all

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<v S2>things through him who gives me strength. Well, that involved

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<v S2>I can be in a prison, I can endure the shipwreck,

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<v S2>I can endure all of that because God is there

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<v S2>with me. So can we learn to be content like that?

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<v S2>And can we remember that God can give us the

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<v S2>strength we need for all of our details? Those are

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<v S2>great lessons from Paul right here at Caesarea.

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<v S1>You know, I can read that scripture passage and I

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<v S1>can see these remains. And yet I still think if

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<v S1>it were me, I'd probably win, complain and be Eeyore,

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<v S1>and who knows how many other negative folks we do.

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<v S2>And that's because we all are struggling. But it's amazing

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<v S2>to me what Paul says there. In fact, he says,

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<v S2>I learned to be content, which tells me he wasn't

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<v S2>always the most content person, but God used those experiences

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<v S2>to bring that depth and maturity in his life. And

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<v S2>God can do that in our lives as well.

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<v S1>Well, terrific lessons from the Mediterranean here, where Paul was

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<v S1>in prison for a time. Great to connect with you, Charlie,

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<v S1>and we're looking forward to being back in the studio.

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<v S1>Questions and answers. That's next. You pumped? I am ready, John.

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<v S1>You're always ready. And we're looking forward to seeing what's

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<v S1>puzzling you, what things are on your heart as you

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<v S1>read through Scripture, or maybe read something online, an article

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<v S1>about Israel or prophecy. It's always welcome. Our email address

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<v S1>is the land and the book@moody.edu. That's the land and

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<v S1>the book at Moody. Edu. Don't go away. Questions and answers.

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<v S1>Next here on Moody Radio's The Land and the book.

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<v S1>Hope you're having a good day. This is the land

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<v S1>in the book. I'm John Jaeger, seated across from Doctor

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<v S1>Charlie Dyer, whose Bible is open, whose pulse is at

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<v S1>a rest rate. I mean, the guy just doesn't sweat

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<v S1>it when you ask him questions and I say questions.

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<v S1>Those are questions about the Bible prophecy and our own

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<v S1>Christian walk. They're always welcome at the land and the

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<v S1>book at Moody, Edu and Charlie, because our stack is

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<v S1>thick with questions. I'll get out of the way and

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<v S1>we'll dig into two questions based on John chapter five.

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<v S1>We'll start with Judy. She says in John five four.

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<v S1>Why do some translations only have the number for verse

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<v S1>four in brackets, while the verse itself is at the

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<v S1>bottom of the page? Who is an angel of the

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<v S1>Lord who stirred the waters at the pool? And does

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<v S1>this pool still exist today? And was it filled by

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<v S1>an underground source? Along those same lines, Mark wants to

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<v S1>know about John five. Apparently this was a place known

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<v S1>for healing. It happened when an angel went down and

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<v S1>stirred up the water. The first one in the water

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<v S1>was healed. Do we know if this was tradition, superstition,

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<v S1>or the real deal? And do we know what the

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<v S1>religious leaders attitude was? Would they have been upset if

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<v S1>the angel healed on the Sabbath? Why didn't they prohibit

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<v S1>people from coming to the pool on the Sabbath? Faith

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<v S1>played a central role in Jesus other healings, but the

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<v S1>lame man in John five didn't even know who Jesus was,

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<v S1>let alone demonstrate faith in him. There's got to be

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<v S1>a lesson here I'm missing. All right, Charlie, we've scrambled

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<v S1>it all up. We'll look to you to make sense

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<v S1>of it all. Okay?

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<v S2>And this is for those who are going. What? John five.

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<v S2>That's the miracle of the healing at the pool of Bethesda. Now,

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<v S2>there's the first. I'll start with that textual issue. There

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<v S2>is an issue as to whether or not the last

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<v S2>part of verse three, and all of verse four should

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<v S2>be part of the original text. Or if those verses

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<v S2>were added later and they don't occur in a number

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<v S2>of manuscripts that are considered significant. That's why many translators

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<v S2>don't think they're original. Not my personal feeling. I think

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<v S2>the verses ought to be included. I believe they were

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<v S2>left out of some manuscripts because the early copyists saw

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<v S2>them as problematic. But one principle of textual criticism of

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<v S2>figuring out what the original text is, is that the

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<v S2>more difficult reading is often the original, since that's the

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<v S2>one most copyist would tend to leave out or gloss

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<v S2>over the angel that's mentioned in those verses. It sounds

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<v S2>like the product of American theology rather than biblical theology.

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<v S2>And here's what I mean. We tend to think God

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<v S2>helps those who help themselves. That's not a biblical concept,

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<v S2>but it says when the angel stirred up the pool,

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<v S2>you know, the first to step in would be healed. Well,

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<v S2>the most likely first one to step in would be

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<v S2>the healthiest. The one most in need, like this man was,

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<v S2>could never seem to get into the water in time.

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<v S2>So in light of that, I think the issue is

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<v S2>the who the angel was. I don't think the angel

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<v S2>was a good angel, but a fallen angel. You know,

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<v S2>all angels were created by God. But a third of

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<v S2>the angelic host followed Satan in his rebellion against God.

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<v S2>This event has all the hallmarks of satanic deception written

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<v S2>over it. People were held hostage to the sight, hoping

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<v S2>against Hope to be the first one to win that

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<v S2>healing lottery and get in. And if the angel wasn't

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<v S2>sent from God, then the problem with the verse disappears

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<v S2>and we see the hopeless position these people were in. Now,

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<v S2>the remains of this pool, it has been uncovered. It's

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<v S2>just to the north of the Temple Mount. There's no

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<v S2>water in it today, and we're not even sure how

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<v S2>the pools were filled in the past. Some think it

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<v S2>was with rain water. Others believe, and I tend to

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<v S2>go with them, that it may have been a conduit

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<v S2>or an aqueduct that brought in water from a spring.

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<v S2>An earlier version of this aqueduct, actually, I think it's

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<v S2>mentioned in Isaiah seven. Now, there's archaeological evidence that the

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<v S2>site was a pagan healing center known as an Asclepius,

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<v S2>a pagan healing site. The man who was healed had

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<v S2>no idea who Jesus was, so he wasn't healed by faith.

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<v S2>In fact, when Jesus met up with him later, he

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<v S2>focused on the man's needs to stop sinning or something

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<v S2>worse will happen to you. And the name of the place,

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<v S2>Beit Hassid or Bethesda, means House of mercy or House

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<v S2>of unmerited favor. And that's what Jesus did demonstrate to

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<v S2>the man. And in terms of asking what lessons I see, well,

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<v S2>I see at least one other lesson in this passage.

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<v S2>It's the danger of legalism. Here's a site with pagan

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<v S2>influence just north of the temple. But the main issue

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<v S2>the religious Jews had was the fact that the man

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<v S2>was carrying his pallet on the Sabbath. They apparently weren't

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<v S2>as concerned about the pagan influence or the miraculous healing

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<v S2>that had taken place. And legalism often ends up with

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<v S2>people majoring on the minors, which is a lesson I

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<v S2>really see us needing to take away from that event.

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<v S1>Johnny's question. In our recent Bible study, a question was

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<v S1>raised regarding the terms Israel or Israelite and Jew. A

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<v S1>follow up question are all Jews, Israelites, and the other

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<v S1>way around?

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<v S2>Well, okay, I'll trace the history of this. Abraham was

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<v S2>first called a Hebrew, and that's back in Genesis 14,

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<v S2>and it was used to describe his descendants. Then several

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<v S2>times the term Israel and Israelite came about originally when

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<v S2>God changed Jacob's name to Israel in Genesis 32, that

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<v S2>became the name for the nation at the time of

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<v S2>the Exodus, and continued to describe the nation all the

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<v S2>way up through the reigns of David and Solomon. Now,

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<v S2>following Solomon's death, the kingdom split into the northern Kingdom.

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<v S2>It kept the name Israel. The southern kingdom became known as. Judah,

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<v S2>since that's the tribe that their king came from. After

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<v S2>the destruction of the northern Kingdom in 722 BC, the

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<v S2>remaining kingdom was still called Judah, but refugees from the

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<v S2>northern Kingdom of Israel fled there and became citizens of Judah,

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<v S2>and as a result they were known as Jews, even

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<v S2>though they weren't from the tribe of Judah. Now a

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<v S2>good example of this Esther two five were introduced to

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<v S2>a Jew of the tribe of Benjamin named Mordecai. Now

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<v S2>get to the other part of the question. All Jewish

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<v S2>people are physical descendants of Jacob or Israel, so technically

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<v S2>they're all Israelites. However, once the kingdom divided, the term

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<v S2>Israel was more commonly used to identify those from the

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<v S2>northern kingdom, while the term Judah was used for the

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<v S2>southern kingdom. So once the northern kingdom disappeared, Judah or

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<v S2>Jew became the more common designation for Abraham's descendants, since

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<v S2>Judah was the remaining kingdom.

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<v S1>You're listening to the land in the book from Moody Radio.

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<v S1>We welcome your questions anytime at the land and the

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<v S1>book at Moody Edu. Mark says we're from the Chicago area,

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<v S1>but moved to East Tennessee about eight years ago and

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<v S1>listen via podcast. If you're not taking advantage of that podcast,

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<v S1>by the way, it's at our website, The Land and

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<v S1>the book.org. Mark says, my wife and I lead a

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<v S1>couple's small group and we want to do a study

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<v S1>of revelation. However, one member of the group is very

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<v S1>much opposed to what he believes a narrow perspective on

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<v S1>the book, and would like to do a book that

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<v S1>includes all possible theories with regard to the rapture, Millennial Kingdom, etc..

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<v S1>Do you know of such a book, i.e. Bible study

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<v S1>on revelation that deals with all possible interpretations of revelation?

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<v S1>I'm concerned such a book might just be confusing.

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<v S2>Confusing is a good word. There is one book I

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<v S2>know of. There's probably many, but the one I know

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<v S2>of is called for views on the Book of Revelation,

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<v S2>edited by Marvin Pate. Uh, it does what this member

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<v S2>of the Bible study wants. It has four authors, each

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<v S2>of whom try to make a case for one of

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<v S2>the four different approaches to the book. Now, my problem

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<v S2>with this type of book, especially for a Bible study,

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<v S2>is that it would usually create more problems and confusion,

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<v S2>and it solves. It's appealing to our postmodern approach to

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<v S2>life where you have your truth. I have my truth,

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<v S2>but in the end it usually either confirms someone's prejudice

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<v S2>or else convinces someone it's hopeless to study a book

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<v S2>with so many possible interpretations. Now, having said that, the

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<v S2>book rises above many in that those arguing the case

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<v S2>do so in a scholarly fashion. But what I would suggest, though,

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<v S2>is say to your friend, maybe you and he or

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<v S2>she could do a study on these four views, but

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<v S2>using it as a basis for a Bible study with

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<v S2>a whole group will generate more heat than light, and

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<v S2>probably lead more people to be afraid to study a

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<v S2>book that promises a blessing for reading and heeding its message.

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<v S2>As revelation one three says.

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<v S1>Here's a question about John ten. Since the rededication events

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<v S1>in John ten took place four centuries after the writing

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<v S1>of Malachi and the close of the Old Testament and

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<v S1>Jewish scriptures, how was it? And when was it that

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<v S1>Hanukkah came to be celebrated as a Jewish holiday? Do

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<v S1>we know if it grew out of oral tradition, or

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<v S1>did it come from the book of the Maccabees? How

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<v S1>do Jewish scholars regard the Maccabees?

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<v S2>Well? The events grew out of the revolt against Antiochus

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<v S2>Epiphanes by Marathas and his sons, who were the Maccabees.

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<v S2>Those events were predicted actually in part of Daniel eight

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<v S2>and 11, but the Book of first Maccabees is considered

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<v S2>the best historical summary of the events during that time

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<v S2>and the establishment of the Feast of Dedication or Hanukkah.

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<v S2>A final confirmation is actually found in the Jewish historian

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<v S2>Josephus in Antiquities of the Jews. He provides the historical background,

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<v S2>and it matches quite closely the record in First Maccabees,

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<v S2>and he explains how it became a Jewish festival. Now,

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<v S2>most scholars accept the historicity of the Maccabees and the

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<v S2>revolt against Antiochus Epiphanies, and they see First Maccabees and

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<v S2>Josephus being historically reliable when it comes to the establishment

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<v S2>of Hanukkah. By the way, the events took place about

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<v S2>160 years before the time of Christ in the Inner

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<v S2>Testament period.

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<v S1>Brian asks in Proverbs 22 verse six, we're told to

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<v S1>train up a child in the way he should go,

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<v S1>and when he's old he will not depart from it. Unfortunately,

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<v S1>countless young people were raised properly and then did go

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<v S1>their own way as time passed. I'm not doubting the

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<v S1>truth of this verse, but exactly how should we interpret it?

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<v S2>I think the key is understanding its wisdom. Literature and

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<v S2>proverbs is wisdom literature. It needs to be understood not

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<v S2>as ironclad promises, but as general principles of how life

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<v S2>actually works. So in general, if we train up a

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<v S2>child the way they should go, they'll reach a point

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<v S2>where they choose to make proper decisions for themselves. But

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<v S2>that isn't always the case. Now you might say, well, hey,

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<v S2>you're copying out there, but I think I can give

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<v S2>you an example of this. Proverbs 26, verses four and five, uh,

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<v S2>verse four tells us not to answer a fool according

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<v S2>to his folly, but the very next verse tells us

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<v S2>to answer a fool according to his folly. And what

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<v S2>the writer is saying is, there are times when we

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<v S2>need to make sure we don't descend to the level

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<v S2>of the fool, so we become like him, but in

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<v S2>other situations we need to respond in a way the

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<v S2>fool can understand, lest he. He thinks he's wiser than

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<v S2>he really is. And wisdom comes knowing which response is appropriate. Anyway,

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<v S2>the bottom line is that if we understand it's wisdom

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<v S2>literature that explains how life generally works and how we

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<v S2>should respond, uh, that makes better sense. And by the way,

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<v S2>wisdom literature also includes the Book of Job, which is

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<v S2>a reminder that life doesn't always work the way we

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<v S2>might expect.

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<v S1>And that's a look at the questions that have come

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<v S1>in recently to our broadcast. Yours welcome anytime at the

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<v S1>Land and the Book at Moody. Edu. Don't go away.

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<v S1>Charlie's devotional is next. Right here. There is something very

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<v S1>special about being in church during the advent season. Very

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<v S1>special sermons that are often shared. What about a sermon

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<v S1>from a shepherd, though? Charlie, I understand that's the essence

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<v S1>of where we're headed in your devotional.

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<v S2>It is. However, it's going to be 700 years before

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<v S2>the advent. But it is a sermon from a shepherd.

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<v S1>All right. I'll look forward to that. After we enjoy

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<v S1>this Holy Land, experience testimony from somebody who's traveled to

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<v S1>Israel and has an insight for us right now.

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<v S3>Hello, my name is John Powers. I'm from Cedar Lake, Indiana,

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<v S3>and came here with Charlie Dyers on this Holy Land trip.

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<v S3>And I will tell you, the Old Testament has come alive.

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<v S3>All the stories that we've heard since we were knee

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<v S3>high to a grasshopper are just fantastic. When you start

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<v S3>to walk through the land and you realize, here was

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<v S3>David and Goliath, here was Samson and Delilah, and here

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<v S3>was David as a shepherd boy. And all these things

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<v S3>is just fantastic. Then we get to Jerusalem and we

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<v S3>see where Jesus wrote in on the triumphal entry, and

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<v S3>he just sobbed over the city because they were lost.

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<v S3>And then we get to see where Jesus walked and

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<v S3>where he taught. And it's just a great experience. I'd

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<v S3>suggest it highly to anyone that is looking for an

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<v S3>experience to to walk closer with the Lord.

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<v S1>Well, if you got your Bible open, we're headed to

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<v S1>Amos chapter three. Charlie, you've titled your devotional sermon from

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<v S1>a Shepherd. I'm listening.

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<v S2>All right. Thanks, John. Our journey today takes us to

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<v S2>the top of the Herodium, the fortress palace built by

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<v S2>Herod the Great. But we're not here today to admire

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<v S2>Herod's palace or to focus on his ruthless character. Instead,

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<v S2>we're here to get a good view of the hometown

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<v S2>of a remarkable prophet from the Old Testament. So follow

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<v S2>me around the top of this fortress to a place

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<v S2>where we can have a good view toward the south.

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<v S2>See that village perched on the hill about three miles

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<v S2>to our southwest? That's the modern Arab town of Taqwa.

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<v S2>It preserves the name of the Jewish town that set

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<v S2>at the same spot in the Old Testament, the village

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<v S2>of Tekoa, the hometown of Amos the Prophet. Seeing the

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<v S2>physical location of Tekoa, helps us understand more about Amos.

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<v S2>Off to our right we can see Bethlehem about four

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<v S2>miles to the northwest. But more importantly, Bethlehem is about

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<v S2>2500ft above sea level. That's about 100ft higher than where

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<v S2>we are now standing. Tekoa is also on top of

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<v S2>a hill, but that hill is another 300ft lower than

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<v S2>where we're standing. Bethlehem is on the spiny ridge that

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<v S2>runs through the center of ancient Judah. Anyone heading east

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<v S2>from Bethlehem also begins traveling down in elevation on the

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<v S2>way toward the Dead Sea. Rainfall begins dropping off dramatically

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<v S2>to the east of Bethlehem. As we know from the

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<v S2>Book of Ruth. Wheat and barley grew in the fields

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<v S2>around Bethlehem, but head east, and the cultivated fields give

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<v S2>way to the flocks and herds, feeding off the grass

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<v S2>and shrubs growing there. David tended his father's flocks to

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<v S2>the east of Bethlehem. It's no wonder that Amos, living

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<v S2>in Tekoa, described himself as a shepherd and a herdsman,

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<v S2>rather than a farmer. This is a place for watching

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<v S2>over sheep and cows, not tilling the soil. Amos also

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<v S2>describes himself as having one other occupation, saying that he, quote,

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<v S2>took care of sycamore fig trees. He actually describes himself

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<v S2>as a quote, nipper of sycamore figs in Hebrew. Sycamore

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<v S2>figs aren't the same as the sycamore trees or fig trees.

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<v S2>We know they're a tall tree that produce fruit that

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<v S2>look similar to a fig. However, the unripe fruit needs

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<v S2>to be nipped or scratched open to promote ripening. These

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<v S2>trees require a lot of water, something lacking in Tekoa. Likely,

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<v S2>Amos led his flocks through the wilderness to a place

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<v S2>like Jericho, where sycamore fig trees did grow in exchange

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<v S2>for allowing his flocks to graze on the grass underneath.

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<v S2>Amos would climb the tree to nip the figs, helping

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<v S2>them to ripen long before the time of Zacchaeus. Amos

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<v S2>likely climbed up in the sycamore tree in Jericho, but

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<v S2>we're not here today to focus on Toccoa, or sheep

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<v S2>or even sycamore fig trees. Instead, I want to focus

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<v S2>on one of the sermons God called on this fig

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<v S2>nipping shepherd to deliver. Amos traveled from Toccoa to Bethel,

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<v S2>north of Jerusalem, to share God's message of impending doom

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<v S2>with the people of the Kingdom of Israel, beginning in

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<v S2>chapter three. Amos delivered three messages of judgment from the Lord.

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<v S2>Each one in chapter three, four, and five begins with

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<v S2>the phrase hear this word, and in the middle of

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<v S2>each message, Amos then announces the judgment that God is

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<v S2>about to bring. After stating his overall theme in the

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<v S2>first two verses of chapter three. Amos then asks a

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<v S2>series of rhetorical questions, each point to the reality of

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<v S2>cause and effect. Two people walking along engaged in deep

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<v S2>conversation probably just didn't happen to chance by a lion

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<v S2>just doesn't roar for no reason. A bird doesn't just

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<v S2>walk into a snare and push the trap shut. When

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<v S2>a warning trumpet, a city's original emergency alarm system, sounds,

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<v S2>people do stop and tremble at approaching danger. And then

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<v S2>Amos connects his message and those cause and effect questions

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<v S2>to God's early warning system. The lion has roared. So

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<v S2>who will not fear? The sovereign Lord has spoken. Who

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<v S2>can but prophesy as a shepherd? Amos likely had felt

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<v S2>a surge of fear rush up his spine when he

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<v S2>was surprised by the roar of a lion as it

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<v S2>charged from a thicket toward him and his flock. And

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<v S2>now heaven's ultimate lion was issuing his divine roar just

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<v S2>before pouncing on the nation of Israel. The message from

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<v S2>this heaven sent prophet was direct into the point God

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<v S2>was about to send an enemy to overrun the land.

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<v S2>He will pull down your strongholds and plunder your fortresses. Amos.

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<v S2>His message of judgment could actually be understood in two ways.

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<v S2>In chapter one, he reported that he delivered his message

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<v S2>two years before the earthquake, and in chapter nine, he

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<v S2>prophetically reports the devastation caused by that earthquake. Archaeologists have

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<v S2>discovered evidence of a massive earthquake that tore through the

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<v S2>land around 750 BC from hot sore north of the

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<v S2>Sea of Galilee, all the way down to Giza and Lachish,

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<v S2>southwest of Jerusalem. This earthquake devastated the land. 200 years later,

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<v S2>the prophet Zechariah used this earthquake as a point of. Reference,

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<v S2>you will flee as you fled from the earthquake in

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<v S2>the days of Uzziah, king of Judah. Zechariah 14 five.

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<v S2>But Amos message also looks beyond the impending earthquake to

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<v S2>describe an even greater devastation that would strike the northern

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<v S2>kingdom of Israel a quarter of a century later. That's

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<v S2>when the Assyrian army came through to devastate and conquer Israel.

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<v S2>They quite literally overran the land, pulled down the strongholds

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<v S2>and plundered all the fortified cities and towns. Recalling his

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<v S2>experience trying to protect his flock against a marauding lion,

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<v S2>Amos graphically pictures the outcome of God's judgment as a

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<v S2>shepherd saves from the lion's mouth only two leg bones

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<v S2>or the piece of an ear. So will the Israelites

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<v S2>be saved once God has unleashed his judgment on Israel.

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<v S2>Amos compares what remains to the scraps of flesh and

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<v S2>bones left behind after a lion has finished killing and

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<v S2>devouring a helpless lamb. Even as he spoke those words,

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<v S2>Amos must have remembered the sickening feeling he felt in

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<v S2>the pit of his stomach as he surveyed such carnage

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<v S2>in the past and recognize what God was threatening to

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<v S2>unleash in the not too distant future. Why was God

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<v S2>announcing such destruction? Amos shares why in his message, though

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<v S2>some of it is more difficult for us to understand.

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<v S2>In verse nine, he says the nation is guilty of

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<v S2>great unrest and oppression. In the next verse, he explains

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<v S2>that they do not know how to do right as

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<v S2>they hoard, plunder and loot in their fortresses. Evidently, the

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<v S2>rich and powerful were oppressing those who were less fortunate.

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<v S2>In the very next chapter, Amos describes the wealthy women

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<v S2>of Samaria who oppressed the poor and crushed the needy.

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<v S2>They were guilty, he says, of immorality, greed, dishonesty, corruption,

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<v S2>and idolatry. And now it was time for God to

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<v S2>settle accounts. Amos wasn't a professional prophet. He was a shepherd,

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<v S2>just a businessman from that little village you see over

0:45:20.110 --> 0:45:23.230
<v S2>there in the distance. But God called him to deliver

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<v S2>a series of profound messages to a nation on the

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<v S2>brink of national disaster. And yet, did you notice God's grace?

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<v S2>Amos delivered the message two years before the earthquake, and

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<v S2>about 25 years before the arrival of the Assyrians, God

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<v S2>gave the nation time to repent. They chose not to obey,

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<v S2>but he still gave them that opportunity through Amos. The

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<v S2>application for us today is twofold. First, our nation seems

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<v S2>to be running away from God and His Word as

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<v S2>fast as it can. But as Paul wrote in Galatians

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<v S2>six seven, do not be deceived. God cannot be mocked.

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<v S2>A man reaps what he sows. And the same is

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<v S2>true of nations. We need to be praying for revival.

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<v S2>And that leads to the second application. Revival needs to

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<v S2>start with us. Are you living for God today? And

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<v S2>if you are, are you sharing God's message of hope

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<v S2>and forgiveness with your family, friends, and neighbors? Amos was

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<v S2>called out of his comfort zone to deliver God's urgent

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<v S2>message to a needy nation, and God is now calling

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<v S2>on each of us to do the same.

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<v S1>Thank you Charlie, I appreciate that sermon from a Shepherd.

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<v S1>You can hear it again at our website. The land

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<v S1>and the book, dawg. Hope you enjoyed the program. Our

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<v S1>time is gone, but we'll be back next week with

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<v S1>another slate of guests, questions, devotionals, and more. And if

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