WEBVTT - Hour 1: Your Bible Questions Answered 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:12.379 In the last couple of days, we've heard news reports 0:00:12.380 --> 0:00:17.270 from Israel about the gruesome murder of two Israeli children 0:00:17.270 --> 0:00:20.119 at the hands of Palestinian terrorists. Stay with me for 0:00:20.150 --> 0:00:24.830 a few thoughts about these horrific events in just a moment. Hello, friends. 0:00:24.829 --> 0:00:29.390 Welcome to Open Line, Moody Radio's Bible study Across America. 0:00:29.420 --> 0:00:31.820 My name is Michael Radonich. I'm the academic dean and 0:00:31.820 --> 0:00:35.150 professor of Jewish studies and Bible at Moody Bible Institute. 0:00:35.150 --> 0:00:38.300 I'm so grateful that you're joining me around the radio 0:00:38.300 --> 0:00:41.720 kitchen table today. 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When Hamas and with them Palestinian civilians 0:01:38.630 --> 0:01:44.840 rampaged through southern Israel on October 7th, 2023, one of 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:47.210 the most gruesome things they did was they kidnapped a 0:01:47.209 --> 0:01:52.010 family of four. First, dad Yarden stepped out from the 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:54.470 safe room to give himself up, hoping that they would 0:01:54.470 --> 0:01:58.720 not find his wife and children. They took him captive 0:01:58.750 --> 0:02:01.450 and held him as a hostage. But then they did 0:02:01.450 --> 0:02:07.120 get his wife and children and the horrific images of, uh, 0:02:07.690 --> 0:02:17.320 Shiri Bibas, uh, Ariel and Kfir Bibas being taken away 0:02:17.350 --> 0:02:22.690 captive became sort of the the symbol of the terror 0:02:22.690 --> 0:02:26.800 that the hostages faced as they were taken, 251 of 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:32.170 them taken into Gaza. Uh, it was brutal. About a 0:02:32.169 --> 0:02:39.880 month in, they, the Hamas terrorist organization, claimed that the 0:02:39.910 --> 0:02:47.080 these children were killed in an Israeli bombardment, and no 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:50.620 one believed that there was there was no evidence. Well, 0:02:50.620 --> 0:02:57.220 last week, yarden the dad was returned, barely alive, but 0:02:57.220 --> 0:03:02.049 still alive. Having been mistreated and tortured in the tunnels 0:03:02.050 --> 0:03:08.260 of Gaza. Then last week, the bodies of the two 0:03:08.260 --> 0:03:14.980 children and some wrong, wrongly identified anonymous woman not sharing 0:03:15.010 --> 0:03:17.380 the bodies of the two children, though, were returned. And 0:03:17.380 --> 0:03:21.100 what was discovered by the forensics done on the on 0:03:21.100 --> 0:03:28.900 those bodies was that those children had been murdered, being 0:03:28.930 --> 0:03:34.420 by hand by these terrorists, and then their bodies were 0:03:35.230 --> 0:03:41.830 mutilated with rocks to simulate a death by bombardment. And 0:03:41.830 --> 0:03:46.960 then after initially failing to return Shuri's body, the mom, 0:03:46.990 --> 0:03:50.050 it finally was returned, and forensics showed that she too 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:53.620 was murdered in a gruesome fashion. I'm telling you, I 0:03:53.650 --> 0:03:59.200 am overwhelmed with grief as I see this. I wonder 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:07.270 where there's any kind of humanity whatsoever in the these terrorists, 0:04:07.270 --> 0:04:11.590 and even the one of the most horrific aspects of 0:04:11.590 --> 0:04:13.600 this whole thing is when the bodies of these babies 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:19.000 were returned, the people, there was a gruesome show made 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:23.260 of it, people dancing for joy at the murder of 0:04:23.260 --> 0:04:26.799 children as the as the caskets were being given to 0:04:26.830 --> 0:04:30.790 the Red cross. Well, this is so hard to discuss, 0:04:30.790 --> 0:04:33.130 but I thought I need to address it. Think about 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:35.140 tell you about what I'm thinking and trying to think 0:04:35.140 --> 0:04:39.609 biblically about this. So here's some thoughts. First of all, 0:04:39.610 --> 0:04:45.700 these horrific murders only confirm the biblical doctrine of total depravity. G.K. 0:04:45.700 --> 0:04:50.170 Chesterton once said that the only doctrine that can be 0:04:50.170 --> 0:04:55.960 proved empirically would be the doctrine of total depravity. And 0:04:56.470 --> 0:05:00.040 all my life I've heard people ask the question about 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:03.220 the Holocaust. Where was God when the 6 million died? 0:05:03.550 --> 0:05:07.690 One rabbi said, the real question here is where was man? 0:05:08.860 --> 0:05:13.719 Because it was humanity that did this. Uh, another leading 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:19.330 Jewish spokesman said, when you see the depravity of humanity 0:05:19.570 --> 0:05:22.990 in the Holocaust, you say there was an Eichmann in 0:05:22.990 --> 0:05:26.230 all of us, given the opportunity. And this is what 0:05:26.260 --> 0:05:29.200 James 315 and 16 talks about. It talks about even 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:34.810 bitterness and envy being characterized as earthly, unspiritual, demonic, and 0:05:34.810 --> 0:05:39.609 leading to every kind of evil. Not that we're all 0:05:39.610 --> 0:05:48.039 as evil as we can be, thank God, but, uh uh, it's. 0:05:50.230 --> 0:05:53.870 But unrestrained. We can be as evil as the heartless, 0:05:53.900 --> 0:05:58.159 callous Hamas terrorists and their supporters. But they have have 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:03.500 gone all the way, uh, and done these things. Second, 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:09.770 these murders also proved the reality of anti-Semitism in Psalm 83, 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:14.810 verses three through five. It talks about those who hate God. Uh, 0:06:14.810 --> 0:06:18.500 it talks about that. They actually those who hate the 0:06:18.529 --> 0:06:22.730 God of Israel hate the people of Israel. Let me 0:06:22.730 --> 0:06:27.619 read you those verses in Psalm 83. Uh, because the 0:06:27.620 --> 0:06:31.460 reason I mention this is the reason these children were 0:06:31.460 --> 0:06:36.380 murdered was nothing less than they were Jewish. That was it. 0:06:36.410 --> 0:06:38.840 That's what drove it. That's why their mom was murdered. 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:43.070 That's why their dad was taken captive. It says in 0:06:43.070 --> 0:06:46.400 Psalm 83, they devise clever schemes against your people. They 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:49.940 conspire against your treasured ones. They say, come, let us 0:06:49.940 --> 0:06:52.620 wipe them out as a nation so that Israel's name 0:06:52.620 --> 0:06:55.920 will no longer be remembered for. They have conspired with 0:06:55.920 --> 0:07:01.050 one mind. They form an alliance against you. Against God. 0:07:01.350 --> 0:07:06.960 So I think it's, uh, it's really clear that those 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:08.940 who hate the God of Israel will hate the people 0:07:08.940 --> 0:07:13.590 of Israel. And what's heartbreaking is not just Hamas and 0:07:13.590 --> 0:07:16.080 these terrorists that hate the Jewish people and many of 0:07:16.110 --> 0:07:19.290 their supporters here in the West are driven by hatred 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:22.680 of the Jewish people as well. The only explanation for 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:29.160 last spring's university protests was anti-Semitism, even the violent assault 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:33.150 of Jewish people. Last week in Brooklyn, New York, my 0:07:33.150 --> 0:07:37.800 hometown mostly covered up by the media. But there is 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:45.090 a violent pogrom against Jewish people in Brooklyn. That's anti-Semitism. Third, 0:07:45.690 --> 0:07:52.680 besides total depravity, besides anti-Semitism. Third, we're called to call 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:57.300 on God in defense of innocence. In Psalm 919 it says, arise, 0:07:57.300 --> 0:08:00.480 O Lord, do not let man prevail. Let the nations 0:08:00.510 --> 0:08:04.650 be judged by you. And let God arise. Let his 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:09.210 enemies be scattered, and let those who hate him flee 0:08:09.210 --> 0:08:19.170 before him. Uh, that's Psalm 68 one. Uh, finally what 0:08:19.170 --> 0:08:22.320 I'm saying not finally, but what I'm saying here is 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:27.660 that God is the one that will bring vengeance on 0:08:27.660 --> 0:08:33.090 the appropriate people at this time. But here's the last thought. 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:36.959 God uses human government as his agents, as his servants, 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:41.490 to carry out punishment. Romans 13 four says that God, 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:46.410 that government is a minister of God for your good. 0:08:46.470 --> 0:08:48.870 But if you do what is evil, be afraid, for 0:08:48.870 --> 0:08:51.600 does not bear the sword for nothing, for it is 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:54.179 a minister of God. Twice it uses that word minister 0:08:54.179 --> 0:08:58.620 or servant, an avenger who brings wrath on those who 0:08:58.620 --> 0:09:02.640 practice evil. This doesn't refer to a theocratic government. It's 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:05.730 just talking about general human government. They are to punish 0:09:05.730 --> 0:09:08.730 the wicked and protect the innocent. Even with the use 0:09:08.730 --> 0:09:13.740 of the sword. The sword was the assault weapon of 0:09:13.740 --> 0:09:17.400 the first century. The point of this is that the 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:21.570 government of Israel will be obligated to act decisively in 0:09:21.570 --> 0:09:24.840 defense of her own people, as an instrument, as a 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:30.059 servant of God in these matters. Well, just to put 0:09:30.059 --> 0:09:34.170 it all together, I'm feeling much like Matthew did when 0:09:34.170 --> 0:09:37.410 he wrote about the slaughter of the innocent in Matthew two. 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:43.080 He quoted from Jeremiah 3115, where Jewish motherhood was weeping 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:47.500 for her children as they went into captivity after the 0:09:47.500 --> 0:09:50.350 Babylonian death and destruction that they wrought in Israel in 0:09:50.350 --> 0:09:55.660 586 BC. Matthew quotes it, I think every generation we 0:09:55.660 --> 0:10:00.910 feel it. Rachel is weeping for her children. She refuses 0:10:00.910 --> 0:10:04.960 to be comforted for her children because they are no more. 0:10:04.990 --> 0:10:10.990 Jeremiah 3115. That's the heartbreaking truth, the reality of of 0:10:10.990 --> 0:10:15.310 these murders. So, friends, we're going to talk about your 0:10:15.309 --> 0:10:18.340 questions about the Bible. We're going to talk about all 0:10:18.340 --> 0:10:21.040 these things. But I just needed to get this off 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:25.420 my heart as I've been so sad the last few 0:10:25.420 --> 0:10:28.420 days about these events. We're going to take a break. 0:10:28.420 --> 0:10:30.340 We're going to come back with more of your questions 0:10:30.340 --> 0:10:32.710 or some of your questions about the Bible, God, and 0:10:32.710 --> 0:10:35.559 the spiritual life. Call with your question right now. It's 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.740 always easier to get through early in the program before 0:10:38.740 --> 0:10:46.730 all the lines fill up. The number Seven five. We're 0:10:46.730 --> 0:10:50.330 going to come right back with studying the scriptures together 0:10:50.330 --> 0:10:53.150 in our Bible study across America. Stay with us. This 0:10:53.150 --> 0:11:10.339 is Michael Dolnick on Open Line. 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And first of all, thank you for 0:13:08.929 --> 0:13:14.030 bringing tears to my eyes and reminding us about what's 0:13:14.030 --> 0:13:17.300 going on and how Rachel is still weeping for her children. 0:13:17.330 --> 0:13:20.840 Yeah, we can all I'm not. Rachel represents Jewish motherhood, 0:13:20.870 --> 0:13:26.660 but I think Jewish fatherhood and all people of good 0:13:26.660 --> 0:13:32.780 will of faith would be weeping for her children as well, 0:13:32.780 --> 0:13:38.809 not just Rachel. Thank you. Lucy. Uh, well, what can 0:13:38.809 --> 0:13:40.010 I do for you today? 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:47.939 The other day I was reading in Ruth chapter one, 0:13:47.940 --> 0:13:51.330 starting with verse six. And so my question is, Naomi 0:13:51.330 --> 0:13:54.840 was really pressing the issue that her daughter in law's 0:13:54.870 --> 0:13:59.850 should return home because she could no longer provide sons 0:13:59.850 --> 0:14:03.570 for them. So my question was, would they be able 0:14:03.570 --> 0:14:06.630 to find sons along the road, or I mean, husbands along. 0:14:06.630 --> 0:14:13.800 The road along the way? Well, the if you go back, 0:14:13.830 --> 0:14:19.170 there's this concept. It's already enshrined in Deuteronomy called levirate law. 0:14:19.770 --> 0:14:24.930 And it's even was practiced before Deuteronomy. When you see Judah, 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:29.250 remember when when Judah's son marries and then he dies, 0:14:29.250 --> 0:14:35.760 and then the next son, uh, Onan, marries her, uh, Tamar, 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:37.739 and he dies, and then he doesn't want to give 0:14:37.740 --> 0:14:40.380 the third son, Shila, because he's afraid he's going to die. 0:14:40.490 --> 0:14:42.770 He lies and says, oh, let him grow up and 0:14:42.770 --> 0:14:44.450 then I'll give him to you. But he wouldn't. Didn't 0:14:44.450 --> 0:14:46.940 want to do it. Do you remember that? So that's 0:14:46.970 --> 0:14:51.440 Liveright law. Uh, so the the way it would be 0:14:51.470 --> 0:14:55.760 is that the the the living brother would take the 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:59.720 dead brother's responsibility to raise up an heir for the 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:03.560 living brother, for the dead brother. And that's levirate law. 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:05.390 And so that's what she's saying. I don't have another 0:15:05.390 --> 0:15:08.450 son to give you, but, uh, interestingly, the nearest relative 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:13.790 could operate as the lever, so that meant the the 0:15:13.790 --> 0:15:18.080 replacement husband to raise up an heir. But the thing 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:24.980 is then that one will, uh, also have an inheritance 0:15:24.980 --> 0:15:29.810 from that nearest relatives family line. And so that's why 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:34.700 Boaz was so sacrificial. He married Ruth and raised up 0:15:34.700 --> 0:15:41.230 a seed for Ruth's former Husband and offspring for Ruth's 0:15:41.380 --> 0:15:45.820 dead husband, as well as, uh, taking that child as 0:15:45.820 --> 0:15:50.410 his own. And so that child was like a double inheritor. Uh, 0:15:50.410 --> 0:15:54.340 so that's what that's what happened. But that's why she 0:15:54.340 --> 0:15:55.900 was saying it. I have no more children to give 0:15:55.900 --> 0:16:00.790 you to serve as a substitution husband as the law requires. 0:16:01.900 --> 0:16:05.980 Ruth was also being sacrificial, not just in her devotion 0:16:05.980 --> 0:16:09.460 to Naomi, but she was also being sacrificial in the 0:16:09.460 --> 0:16:12.940 same way, knowing that she may not have a husband. 0:16:14.110 --> 0:16:18.700 Uh, yeah. She she did not go with the intention 0:16:18.700 --> 0:16:24.130 of of being married. She she I think her devotion 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.940 is not just to Naomi, but to the God of Israel. 0:16:27.970 --> 0:16:30.220 You know, your God will be my God. She says 0:16:30.220 --> 0:16:36.730 to Naomi and her sister, uh, Orpah. She goes back 0:16:36.730 --> 0:16:40.630 to her family and to her gods. So what you 0:16:40.630 --> 0:16:44.740 see is sort of an apostasy on the part of Orpah, 0:16:44.740 --> 0:16:48.400 but a genuine faith on the part of Ruth. I 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:51.370 think you're right that, uh, and she and she was 0:16:51.370 --> 0:16:53.800 going to follow the God of Israel and serve her 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:57.070 mother in law, regardless of whether she ever married again 0:16:57.100 --> 0:16:59.290 or not. And, you know, you see her when she 0:16:59.290 --> 0:17:03.040 goes to Bethlehem. What's she doing? She's out there gleaning, 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:06.010 which is God's provision through the law of Moses for 0:17:06.010 --> 0:17:10.480 people who are poverty stricken to glean the corners of 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:13.629 the the fields. And she goes to glean, she goes 0:17:13.630 --> 0:17:16.600 to work hard to care not just for herself, but 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:20.260 for her mother in law. She's she's quite the the woman. 0:17:20.260 --> 0:17:25.090 And she is called in the narrative by Boaz, an Ezekiel, 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.459 which I think that's a Hebrew phrase. It means a 0:17:27.460 --> 0:17:32.229 woman of valor or a noble woman. And it's the 0:17:32.230 --> 0:17:35.619 same expression that's used in Proverbs 31 of of woman 0:17:35.650 --> 0:17:39.030 of valor, or a noble woman who can find. And 0:17:39.030 --> 0:17:42.179 it's interesting. In the original Hebrew order of the books, 0:17:42.180 --> 0:17:46.020 Proverbs 31 is followed by the Book of Ruth. So 0:17:46.020 --> 0:17:48.540 you have the description of the woman of valor in 0:17:48.540 --> 0:17:53.700 Proverbs 31, and then you have the narrative description of 0:17:53.700 --> 0:17:57.870 her in the life of Ruth that follows immediately after 0:17:57.869 --> 0:18:01.440 in the order of the canon in the Hebrew Bible. 0:18:01.470 --> 0:18:05.340 Isn't that interesting, Lucy? I just think it is. It is? Yeah. It's. 0:18:05.340 --> 0:18:08.700 She she she's a terrific a terrific role model. I'm 0:18:08.700 --> 0:18:11.250 glad she made it into the line of the Messiah. 0:18:11.609 --> 0:18:12.869 I know, yeah. 0:18:13.710 --> 0:18:17.430 So. Well, thank you, Lucy, for your call. 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:18.330 Could you. Yes. 0:18:18.330 --> 0:18:21.659 Could you answer real quick? My second question, though, is like, physically, 0:18:21.660 --> 0:18:25.830 where did they live? It was her home preserved for her. 0:18:26.550 --> 0:18:28.560 Likely she lived. She. I don't know if she went 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.260 and got an apartment. You know, maybe it was rent controlled. 0:18:31.260 --> 0:18:34.800 I don't know, but. Okay. They went back to Bethlehem, 0:18:34.869 --> 0:18:36.399 and that's where she lived. Okay. 0:18:36.430 --> 0:18:38.710 Okay. Great discussion. Thank you very much. Thank you. 0:18:38.740 --> 0:18:43.540 Lucy. Appreciate it. Uh, Rob in Chicago, listening on wmbi. 0:18:43.570 --> 0:18:45.340 Welcome to Open Line. 0:18:45.820 --> 0:18:47.200 Well good morning. Thank you. 0:18:47.230 --> 0:18:48.730 How can I help you today? 0:18:49.090 --> 0:18:50.080 My question is about. 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:54.160 Slavery in the Bible, specifically Joseph. How are his brothers 0:18:54.190 --> 0:18:56.859 able to sell him into slavery when I'm assuming they 0:18:56.859 --> 0:18:58.210 didn't own him? 0:18:58.630 --> 0:19:01.510 I don't think they were looking for a title deed 0:19:01.810 --> 0:19:05.350 when they sold him into slavery. Uh, what it was 0:19:05.350 --> 0:19:07.270 is they were obviously they threw him in a pit 0:19:07.270 --> 0:19:10.510 and said to the the Ishmaelites as they came by, 0:19:10.510 --> 0:19:13.090 you want him? Pay us some money. You can take them. 0:19:13.090 --> 0:19:16.000 And then he went into slavery. That's that's what it was. 0:19:16.030 --> 0:19:19.660 There was no official document that went with it that 0:19:19.780 --> 0:19:22.060 had that where they had to prove ownership. 0:19:22.780 --> 0:19:24.850 Joseph couldn't say, no, no, I'm not a slave. 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:29.439 But actually, the Ishmaelites couldn't have cared less. They they 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:32.350 don't care if he's a slave or not. They just 0:19:32.350 --> 0:19:34.620 care about. Okay, look, we'll make a little profit. We'll 0:19:34.650 --> 0:19:37.260 buy them for X amount, and we'll sell them for 0:19:37.260 --> 0:19:41.430 X plus Y. So that's that's what they were looking at. 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:48.480 This is no different. Well the kind of slavery is different. But, uh, 0:19:48.540 --> 0:19:53.370 how could the tribes in Africa that went to the 0:19:53.369 --> 0:19:59.969 Moorish slave dealers that, you know, tribes would actually capture 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:04.020 people from other tribes and bring them to the Muslim 0:20:04.350 --> 0:20:08.730 slave traders? They didn't have to show documentation. They said, 0:20:08.730 --> 0:20:12.060 here they are. And they sold them into slavery. And 0:20:12.060 --> 0:20:15.510 then the slave traders brought them to the United States 0:20:15.510 --> 0:20:21.390 and or actually the, the colonies and, and then and 0:20:21.390 --> 0:20:25.590 to the Caribbean and to Great Britain and places like that, 0:20:25.590 --> 0:20:27.780 so that they could be put into slavery. There was 0:20:27.780 --> 0:20:31.380 no documentation for that. People were just stolen. That's what 0:20:31.380 --> 0:20:34.410 it is. Okay. 0:20:34.859 --> 0:20:35.760 Thank you. Yeah. 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:39.300 Thanks for your call. Appreciate it. Uh, it's one of 0:20:39.300 --> 0:20:48.060 the most vile aspects of history. Uh, the idea that 0:20:48.060 --> 0:20:51.780 that people would just steal others and sell them into slavery. 0:20:51.810 --> 0:20:54.780 Think about this. But here's the amazing thing about Joseph. 0:20:54.810 --> 0:20:59.130 Read the narrative. Read the story in Genesis 37 all 0:20:59.130 --> 0:21:01.800 the way through 50. But there's a little break in 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:05.340 38 and 49, but in chapters 37 and then 39 0:21:05.340 --> 0:21:09.150 through 48 and then chapter 50, it tells the entire 0:21:09.150 --> 0:21:12.690 story of Joseph. And what's amazing is it keeps repeating, 0:21:12.690 --> 0:21:14.910 no matter how bad it gets. You know, Joseph gets 0:21:14.910 --> 0:21:17.820 sold into slavery and he's now a slave. And the 0:21:17.820 --> 0:21:22.290 Lord was with Joseph. And then and then he gets 0:21:22.890 --> 0:21:28.950 falsely accused of sexually assaulting Potiphar's wife, and he gets 0:21:28.950 --> 0:21:34.750 thrown into prison. And the Lord was with Joseph. And 0:21:34.780 --> 0:21:39.460 in every action Joseph acts as if he knows the 0:21:39.460 --> 0:21:41.740 Lord is with him, and he has to honor him 0:21:41.740 --> 0:21:44.860 in all his behavior. And it also says in those 0:21:44.859 --> 0:21:46.869 texts that no matter how bad it got, the Lord 0:21:46.869 --> 0:21:51.490 blessed Joseph and cared for him. That's a great reminder 0:21:51.490 --> 0:21:54.639 for us, isn't it, that no matter how bad it is, 0:21:54.670 --> 0:21:57.639 the Lord can be with us? And Joseph recognized it 0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:01.659 was all part of God's plan to save people. So 0:22:01.990 --> 0:22:04.960 really remarkable story, the story of Joseph. We're going to 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:09.340 talk to Susan in Vidalia, Georgia, listening on WGBH. Welcome 0:22:09.340 --> 0:22:11.409 to Open Line, Susan. How can I help you? 0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:12.190 Thank you. Sir. 0:22:12.220 --> 0:22:14.380 This is a privilege and an honor. 0:22:14.410 --> 0:22:15.220 Thank you. You're kind. 0:22:15.250 --> 0:22:19.179 Just a quick note for giving donations. For those of 0:22:19.180 --> 0:22:23.260 us who have to do minimal distribution of our IRAs. 0:22:23.710 --> 0:22:27.970 Can give that directly to you and to Moody and 0:22:27.970 --> 0:22:31.460 not have to pay tax on that and you can 0:22:31.460 --> 0:22:34.760 usually give a whole lot more. So that's been our 0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:40.700 our habits here. We have loved our surrogate Moody with 0:22:40.730 --> 0:22:42.800 Good News Network in South Georgia. 0:22:42.830 --> 0:22:45.200 Well thank you so much. That is so generous and 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:49.280 so kind I really, really appreciate it. Susan. Uh, well, 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:50.720 how can I help you today? 0:22:51.170 --> 0:22:54.260 Okay. What I'm asking is, and I had talked with 0:22:54.260 --> 0:22:56.990 you about dealing with a family of Jews here, older, 0:22:57.020 --> 0:23:02.540 older Jews. And, um, I was looking up the the 0:23:02.570 --> 0:23:07.220 Hebrew holidays for the year, and I came upon a 0:23:07.220 --> 0:23:10.940 site that had the seven holidays, the dates for them. 0:23:10.940 --> 0:23:14.420 And then day eight it was called, and day eight 0:23:14.450 --> 0:23:17.750 was a long listed with it. And it said, this 0:23:17.750 --> 0:23:20.360 is the day that all who have lived will be 0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:25.490 raised again to live eternally. And I, the website told 0:23:25.490 --> 0:23:29.000 me nothing about who they were. I went to several 0:23:29.030 --> 0:23:33.530 websites asking about day eight, and all they did is 0:23:33.530 --> 0:23:37.280 repeat what they said about living forever in eternity in heaven. 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:40.580 So I don't know about day eight. I know this 0:23:40.580 --> 0:23:45.110 that the messianic kingdom is called the Shabbat. You know 0:23:45.140 --> 0:23:50.630 that the Shabbat is the seventh day, and so that 0:23:50.630 --> 0:23:55.010 there's going to be a Shabbat, a seventh day of 0:23:56.150 --> 0:24:00.109 of of earthly rest, you know, of where the earth 0:24:00.109 --> 0:24:04.490 is under the messianic reign and living in peace and righteousness. 0:24:04.700 --> 0:24:07.369 And maybe day eight then is the world to come. 0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:10.760 Maybe that I'm not aware of that in rabbinic literature, 0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:14.270 but I am aware of the seventh day, the Shabbat 0:24:14.300 --> 0:24:18.980 being compared to the Messianic kingdom. But it makes sense 0:24:18.980 --> 0:24:21.320 that there's a day eight but these people may have 0:24:21.320 --> 0:24:25.790 come up with themselves. I don't think rabbinic literature does that. Okay, Susan. 0:24:26.150 --> 0:24:28.880 Several sites to see who was behind it, and I 0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:29.899 could find nothing. 0:24:30.020 --> 0:24:31.310 Yeah, well, whoever. 0:24:31.310 --> 0:24:33.530 It is is putting out falsehoods about. 0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:36.020 Well, I don't know if that's falsehood. We just may 0:24:36.020 --> 0:24:40.670 not be aware of it. But here's the thing about it, Susan, 0:24:40.670 --> 0:24:46.189 is that, uh, the way the way Judaism lays it 0:24:46.190 --> 0:24:49.130 out is there's six days of this world, the seventh 0:24:49.130 --> 0:24:52.040 day of the messianic kingdom, and then not. It's not 0:24:52.040 --> 0:24:53.990 called the eighth day. But then there's the world to 0:24:54.020 --> 0:24:59.510 come forever. Similar to how the Book of revelation, uh, 0:24:59.510 --> 0:25:05.659 puts it. You know, the Book of Revelation has it, uh, 0:25:05.660 --> 0:25:10.700 this way. It says that there's going to be a 0:25:10.700 --> 0:25:13.280 thousand year reign of the Messiah, and then there's the 0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:16.010 world to come, the new heavens and the new earth. 0:25:16.040 --> 0:25:20.090 Revelation 21 and 22. So that's kind of similar to 0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:23.330 this day eight. So. Okay. Susan. 0:25:23.930 --> 0:25:24.920 Yes. Thank you sir. 0:25:24.960 --> 0:25:27.690 Hey, thank you so much for not only your call, 0:25:27.690 --> 0:25:30.600 but your generosity. Really, really appreciate it. Thank your husband 0:25:30.600 --> 0:25:34.350 as well. We're going to come back with the mailbag 0:25:34.350 --> 0:25:38.970 in just a bit. You're listening to Open Line with 0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:43.440 Michael Radonich. 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Let's 0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:03.100 let's go to the mailbag and and see what we've 0:29:03.100 --> 0:29:03.940 got okay. 0:29:03.970 --> 0:29:07.930 Yes. Thank you. Our first person is Peggy who sent 0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:12.670 a question through Facebook. What are the synoptic gospels? 0:29:13.300 --> 0:29:18.940 Uh, the word synoptic optic. We see that that means 0:29:18.940 --> 0:29:19.940 to see right? 0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:20.540 Yes. 0:29:20.570 --> 0:29:25.160 And soon in Greek is together. So it means to 0:29:25.190 --> 0:29:29.030 see together and together. And when it's used of the 0:29:29.030 --> 0:29:34.459 synoptic Gospels, you know that that's just referring to the 0:29:34.460 --> 0:29:38.209 fact that Matthew, Mark and Luke have sort of a 0:29:38.210 --> 0:29:42.980 similar structure and stories. They, you know, some people have 0:29:42.980 --> 0:29:46.820 conjectured that they had a document that they all based 0:29:46.820 --> 0:29:51.470 their gospels on. Some people think Mark was the original 0:29:51.470 --> 0:29:55.220 gospel because it's the shortest. And then the Luke and 0:29:55.220 --> 0:30:00.620 and Matthew followed Mark. I actually don't think so. I 0:30:00.620 --> 0:30:03.320 think that Matthew was the first. It was written in 0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:09.350 Aramaic and Greek for really Jewish people. Some would read 0:30:09.350 --> 0:30:11.900 in Aramaic and some would read it. The Hellenistic Jews 0:30:11.900 --> 0:30:14.480 would read it in Greek. That's what it was for. 0:30:14.510 --> 0:30:19.230 And then what happened? Paul started preaching the gospel and 0:30:19.230 --> 0:30:22.890 needed something for the Greco-Roman world. So he got his 0:30:23.010 --> 0:30:26.610 personal physician, Luke, to do a history and write the 0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:32.220 Gospel of Luke. And then what happened next was Peter 0:30:32.250 --> 0:30:36.030 got to Rome, preached a message about the life of Jesus. 0:30:36.030 --> 0:30:39.090 His partner, John Mark, was sitting there with him, listening, 0:30:39.120 --> 0:30:44.400 taking notes, and wrote up Peter's sermon as an authoritative 0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:49.620 message about the life or the memoir of Peter of Jesus. 0:30:49.620 --> 0:30:53.220 And and he he writes it up. It's interesting because 0:30:53.220 --> 0:30:56.460 it follows the same exact sermon outline that Peter uses 0:30:56.460 --> 0:31:01.710 in acts, uh, which I think is really interesting. It's 0:31:01.710 --> 0:31:04.590 the gospel of Mark, and the message of Peter are 0:31:04.590 --> 0:31:10.440 very structured similarly. And then what happens is later on, 0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:16.950 John writing possibly to Rome or to a, to the 0:31:16.980 --> 0:31:23.460 whole Roman Empire. Jews and Gentiles together writes up this 0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:28.920 a sort of a different memoir from the perspective of 0:31:28.920 --> 0:31:33.090 Jesus ministry in Judea. So it's slightly different than there's 0:31:33.090 --> 0:31:36.210 some overlap, but it's different than the synoptic gospels. And 0:31:36.210 --> 0:31:40.260 by the way, a great book, uh, is, uh, it's 0:31:40.260 --> 0:31:46.860 called why Four Gospels? And, uh, David Allen David something 0:31:46.860 --> 0:31:49.890 wrote it. I have to look that up. Uh, but 0:31:49.890 --> 0:31:52.620 it's a wonderful book that people can can find, uh, 0:31:52.620 --> 0:31:55.320 about how we got the four gospels. Let's do another 0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:56.790 question real quick, and then we'll take a break. 0:31:56.820 --> 0:32:00.930 Sure. Um, we have Stephanie Ohio from Ohio. Wtxf Mark 0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:06.900 214 calls Levi Orpheus's son, and Mark 318 calls James 0:32:06.930 --> 0:32:10.410 Alphaeus son. Was this a common name during that time 0:32:10.410 --> 0:32:13.140 that both of their fathers had the same name? 0:32:13.230 --> 0:32:21.750 Yeah, it was a common name. It means God. Uh. Uh. 0:32:21.780 --> 0:32:24.210 Try to remember what it means. But it was not 0:32:24.210 --> 0:32:29.010 an unusual name. Uh, and, uh, I think something like 0:32:29.010 --> 0:32:32.940 God fearer. But that's. I'm not sure exactly. I have 0:32:32.940 --> 0:32:36.480 to look that up, but, uh, the the it was 0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:40.200 not an unusual name, and they probably had two different. 0:32:40.230 --> 0:32:43.650 There were two different apostles with dads who had the 0:32:43.650 --> 0:32:47.940 same name. Just like. That's not unusual today, you know. 0:32:47.970 --> 0:32:49.110 Great to know. Yeah. 0:32:49.140 --> 0:32:50.910 So anyway, we're going to we're going to go to 0:32:50.940 --> 0:32:55.650 break here. And when we come back, we're going to, uh, 0:32:55.650 --> 0:32:58.920 take more of your calls and questions and do our 0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:01.230 best to answer them. I'll come back with the name 0:33:01.230 --> 0:33:04.500 of the author of why four Gospels and exactly what 0:33:04.530 --> 0:33:08.730 Alphaeus means. Okay. Stay with us. This is open line 0:33:08.730 --> 0:33:12.660 with Michael Radonich. And we're on Moody Radio. Glad you're 0:33:12.660 --> 0:33:32.860 with us. Welcome back to Open Line. So glad that 0:33:32.860 --> 0:33:35.950 you're here with me. You know, since the war with Israel, 0:33:36.190 --> 0:33:40.000 with Israel's war with Hamas began, the nation has been 0:33:40.000 --> 0:33:43.750 pretty much shut down for tourism, although there are some 0:33:43.780 --> 0:33:47.710 tourists going back now. But if you'd like to see 0:33:47.710 --> 0:33:51.760 and haven't been able to go. 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And 0:35:16.790 --> 0:35:19.910 he said that it was based on their desire to 0:35:19.940 --> 0:35:23.120 know the truth, and that God would take that into 0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:27.650 account just the same way that he, uh, just the 0:35:27.650 --> 0:35:31.370 same way that people from the Old Testament would be saved. 0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:34.400 That's not let me just stop you there. That view 0:35:34.430 --> 0:35:40.130 has nothing to do with dispensationalism. Okay. Uh, it's, uh, 0:35:40.880 --> 0:35:45.860 someone's trying to give it a respectability by calling it dispensational. Okay. 0:35:45.890 --> 0:35:50.150 But I've heard the view. Uh. You can. Am I 0:35:50.150 --> 0:35:55.850 understanding it? Right? That based on the Old Testament, uh, people, uh, 0:35:55.850 --> 0:35:58.670 who had faith in the coming Messiah and were trusting 0:35:58.670 --> 0:36:02.240 in him, uh, since they could be saved, that now 0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:04.160 that the Messiah has come, if they haven't heard of 0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:06.380 him or they don't believe in him, but they have 0:36:06.380 --> 0:36:10.219 faith in a coming Messiah, that they can indeed be saved. 0:36:11.750 --> 0:36:15.620 What I was reading is that he compared people being 0:36:15.620 --> 0:36:20.390 saved now who haven't heard the gospel, like, I guess, 0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:22.669 parts of the world where they did. And he was 0:36:22.670 --> 0:36:25.279 saying something like, oh yeah, it's kind of like people 0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:28.610 who had never heard the gospel back in the day. Um, 0:36:28.610 --> 0:36:31.040 you know, they were they could still be they were saved. 0:36:31.610 --> 0:36:32.690 Um, that's. 0:36:32.690 --> 0:36:35.359 The argument that people use. They say, well, there were 0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:38.509 people saved before the Lord Jesus came, before they had 0:36:38.510 --> 0:36:44.390 conscious faith in him. So therefore, people who have not heard, 0:36:44.930 --> 0:36:48.799 who don't have conscious faith in Jesus can be saved. 0:36:48.830 --> 0:36:51.980 Is that that's it, based on the way Old Testament 0:36:51.980 --> 0:36:56.960 people were saved, right? Brenda. 0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:58.310 That's wrong. What? 0:36:58.700 --> 0:37:00.170 Yeah, but that's wrong, right? 0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:01.879 Yeah, of course it's wrong. 0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:04.580 It's so wrong. 0:37:04.610 --> 0:37:08.150 Here's the deal. We're saved. Always saved by grace through 0:37:08.190 --> 0:37:12.270 faith in the revealed will of God, by grace through 0:37:12.270 --> 0:37:15.030 faith in the revealed will of God and the Messiah 0:37:15.030 --> 0:37:17.880 has come. He is the revealed will of God. He 0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:25.170 has been, uh, identified already as as the one, uh, 0:37:26.310 --> 0:37:29.220 who is the the promised one, uh, you know, in 0:37:29.219 --> 0:37:35.430 Hebrews one one it talks about the past and the present, 0:37:35.430 --> 0:37:40.740 and this is what's important. Uh, here's what it says. 0:37:40.739 --> 0:37:43.410 I'm turning my pages here of my Bible. It says, 0:37:43.410 --> 0:37:46.529 long ago God spoke to the fathers by the prophets 0:37:46.530 --> 0:37:48.870 at different times and in different ways. Now, verse two, 0:37:48.900 --> 0:37:51.899 in these last days, he has not spoken. He has 0:37:51.900 --> 0:37:57.060 now spoken to us by his son. So you know 0:37:57.090 --> 0:38:00.570 what's been who's been revealed. It's the Son of God. 0:38:00.570 --> 0:38:07.989 And then in John chapter eight, this is Jesus talking, Uh, 0:38:07.989 --> 0:38:18.790 and he says this, uh. It's verse 24. Uh, therefore 0:38:18.820 --> 0:38:20.799 I told you that you will die in your sins. 0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:24.130 For if you do not believe that I am he, 0:38:24.489 --> 0:38:28.300 you will die in your sins. So and it's interesting 0:38:28.300 --> 0:38:30.430 because the Greek doesn't say, I am he. That's what 0:38:30.430 --> 0:38:33.400 the English Bible says. In Greek it says, if you 0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:37.270 do not believe that I am, uh, using the phrase 0:38:37.270 --> 0:38:41.860 of deity. If you do not believe that I am deity, 0:38:41.890 --> 0:38:46.210 I am God. You're still in your sins. So that's 0:38:46.210 --> 0:38:51.580 calling for people to have actual conscious faith in Jesus. Uh, 0:38:51.580 --> 0:38:54.310 I think that that's why we have to be motivated 0:38:54.310 --> 0:38:57.759 to present the gospel everywhere we go. Don't you think, Brenda? 0:38:57.790 --> 0:39:03.219 Yeah, exactly. And otherwise. What? Why did the Lord sacrifice 0:39:03.219 --> 0:39:06.370 for us if we don't have to. 0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:07.569 If we don't have to believe. 0:39:07.570 --> 0:39:08.050 In him. 0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:09.310 Yeah. Why? 0:39:09.310 --> 0:39:12.610 Why did he. Why did he even come? Why was he, uh, 0:39:12.610 --> 0:39:15.310 allow him? You know, no man takes my life. The 0:39:15.310 --> 0:39:17.410 Lord Jesus said, but I lay it down willingly. Why 0:39:17.410 --> 0:39:21.850 did he do that? Uh, why was he raised from 0:39:21.850 --> 0:39:23.470 the dead and seated at the right hand of the 0:39:23.469 --> 0:39:27.880 father if it's insignificant? Uh, no. I think, though, most 0:39:27.880 --> 0:39:34.540 people who believe in this, some people call it unrecognized mediation. Uh, 0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:38.739 what what they say is that it's the death and 0:39:38.739 --> 0:39:42.670 resurrection of Messiah applied to people who have not believed 0:39:42.670 --> 0:39:45.190 in him. But Jesus says, no, you must believe in 0:39:45.190 --> 0:39:48.640 in me. Uh, there's no other name under heaven by 0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:51.340 which a person can be saved. So anyway, thanks for 0:39:51.340 --> 0:39:55.600 your call, Brenda. Uh, I appreciate it. We're going to 0:39:55.600 --> 0:40:00.340 talk to Eric in Elyria, Ohio. Listen, on wtxf. I 0:40:00.340 --> 0:40:04.000 once had a terrible flight to Elyria. Just saying, but 0:40:04.150 --> 0:40:07.839 a little like little plane. So from now on, I'm 0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:11.590 flying out of Cleveland or Columbus, but not not not 0:40:11.590 --> 0:40:15.220 stopping in Elyria. It's a beautiful city, though. Glad you're 0:40:15.219 --> 0:40:17.020 with us. Eric, how can I help you? 0:40:17.590 --> 0:40:21.100 Thank you. Doctor. Mike. Um, this is a verse I've 0:40:21.100 --> 0:40:25.540 always had a problem with. Psalm 137 nine. And blessed 0:40:25.570 --> 0:40:27.730 be the one who takes and seizes the little ones 0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:32.080 and bashes their heads against the rocks. I've always had 0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:34.990 a problem with that verse, and the contrary to what 0:40:35.020 --> 0:40:39.310 Jesus teaches in the New Testament. I mean that, you know, 0:40:39.340 --> 0:40:41.560 I listened to you at the very beginning about the 0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:45.100 little ones who, you know, yeah, who died. And, you know, 0:40:45.130 --> 0:40:48.219 I just I just have a problem with that. And 0:40:48.250 --> 0:40:52.299 I don't know if it's retribution against what Hamas did 0:40:52.330 --> 0:40:55.330 or do we how do you how do you you know. 0:40:55.360 --> 0:41:02.589 Well, it's, uh, those are called imprecations. Imprecatory Psalms. Uh, 0:41:02.630 --> 0:41:07.339 Where a it calls for God to enact vengeance and 0:41:07.340 --> 0:41:14.900 then sees humanity as servants of God, carrying out that vengeance. 0:41:14.930 --> 0:41:17.540 So often we think of that as purely an Old 0:41:17.570 --> 0:41:23.750 Testament idea, but not so. It's you can find it 0:41:23.750 --> 0:41:26.600 in the very last book of the New Testament, uh, 0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:31.340 in revelation six, where there's a call for judgment on 0:41:31.340 --> 0:41:38.089 those who, uh, who have carried out terrible deeds. Uh, 0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:42.740 it says that in six, nine and ten, when the 0:41:42.739 --> 0:41:46.700 fifth seal is opened, the people slaughtered because of their testimony, 0:41:46.700 --> 0:41:49.970 they cried out with a loud voice, Lord, the one 0:41:49.969 --> 0:41:52.070 who is holy and true, how long until you judge 0:41:52.070 --> 0:41:55.399 and avenge our blood from those who live on the earth? 0:41:55.430 --> 0:42:00.350 So there's a call for bloody vengeance. Uh, you know what? 0:42:00.710 --> 0:42:04.739 In my judgment, I think it's okay to call on 0:42:04.739 --> 0:42:08.310 God to carry out judgment at the right time, in 0:42:08.310 --> 0:42:13.080 the right way. And I think that's really all that 0:42:13.080 --> 0:42:17.130 you're seeing in Psalm 137, verse nine. Uh, that it's 0:42:17.130 --> 0:42:19.710 called a call on God to, to carry out judgment. 0:42:19.710 --> 0:42:22.740 And he promises that, by the way, against the Babylonians 0:42:22.739 --> 0:42:26.400 for what they did in Habakkuk chapter one. God, you 0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:29.730 got to judge Judah, because look how wicked they are. 0:42:29.730 --> 0:42:32.520 And so God says, I'm going to raise up the Babylonians. 0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:36.870 And then chapter two, Habakkuk says, well, wait, how can 0:42:36.870 --> 0:42:40.740 you judge Judah by people more wicked than they? So 0:42:40.739 --> 0:42:43.080 God's answer is, well, I'm going to judge the Babylonians 0:42:43.080 --> 0:42:48.270 for what they do. And then, and this is what, uh, 0:42:48.900 --> 0:42:51.450 Habakkuk has to throw up his hands and say, Lord, 0:42:51.450 --> 0:42:53.819 you know what you're doing. I don't understand you, but 0:42:53.820 --> 0:42:56.550 I'm going to trust you. And that's where I think 0:42:56.550 --> 0:42:59.069 we have to be as well. Uh, God, you're going 0:42:59.100 --> 0:43:02.610 to do whatever is the right thing in terms of judgment. 0:43:02.730 --> 0:43:06.330 But we have to trust you. Okay. I hope that 0:43:06.330 --> 0:43:07.739 helps a little bit. Eric. 0:43:07.890 --> 0:43:09.239 Yeah. It does. Thank you so much. 0:43:09.270 --> 0:43:14.850 Okay, good. Thanks for your call. Uh, Anna in Ohio, 0:43:14.880 --> 0:43:19.230 listening on wtxf. Welcome to Open Line, Anna. How can 0:43:19.260 --> 0:43:20.070 I help you? 0:43:20.460 --> 0:43:24.660 Hi. Thanks for taking my call. And, um, my question is, 0:43:24.690 --> 0:43:27.930 they call Jesus son of David. But David's bloodline is 0:43:27.930 --> 0:43:30.060 from Joseph. Why do they call him the Son of 0:43:30.060 --> 0:43:35.130 David if he's from, um, Mary and not Joseph? 0:43:35.670 --> 0:43:39.509 Well, for two reasons. One, he is the son of David. 0:43:39.510 --> 0:43:46.140 Because if you read the Lukan genealogy, that's Mary's genealogy. 0:43:46.140 --> 0:43:52.410 And it goes David. Nathan, uh, David's son Nathan. And 0:43:52.410 --> 0:43:58.140 and continues down to Mary. So, uh, Mary, his actual mother. 0:43:58.140 --> 0:44:05.370 Physical mother. Birth mother is a descendant of David, and 0:44:05.370 --> 0:44:10.259 so he could very well be a descendant of David, 0:44:10.260 --> 0:44:13.620 just purely from the Gospel of Luke. So that's one thing. 0:44:13.620 --> 0:44:17.670 But the right to rule actually had to come through 0:44:17.700 --> 0:44:22.020 Solomon's line under the line of David. Joseph. If you 0:44:22.020 --> 0:44:27.960 read the Matthean genealogy, Joseph is the son of David 0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:32.160 through Solomon. And then he adopted the Lord Jesus, and 0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:35.670 one of the most basic rules of of Jewish halakha 0:44:35.670 --> 0:44:41.100 in the first century Jewish law. Jewish legal decisions is 0:44:41.100 --> 0:44:46.440 that the adopted child has all the rights and privileges 0:44:46.440 --> 0:44:51.600 of a born child. And so, because Joseph adopted the 0:44:51.600 --> 0:44:56.100 Lord Jesus, the Lord Jesus became his first born son, 0:44:56.130 --> 0:44:59.200 though he was not the actual birth father. The Holy 0:44:59.200 --> 0:45:05.350 Spirit did a miracle and conceived the Lord Jesus without 0:45:05.950 --> 0:45:15.219 a man. However, by by adoption, by adoption, he he 0:45:15.219 --> 0:45:19.719 was legitimately called the Son of David because Mary was 0:45:19.719 --> 0:45:23.890 his birth mother. And so being the descendant of David 0:45:23.890 --> 0:45:27.610 through Mary, and also legitimately called so because he was 0:45:27.610 --> 0:45:30.580 the adopted son of Joseph, who was also a son 0:45:30.580 --> 0:45:35.170 of David through Solomon. Okay. I hope that straightens it 0:45:35.170 --> 0:45:36.279 out for you, Anna. 0:45:36.580 --> 0:45:37.960 Yeah. Thank you for your time. 0:45:37.989 --> 0:45:40.870 Yeah. Thank you so much for your call. Uh, you know, 0:45:40.900 --> 0:45:44.530 people get confused by that Lucan genealogy, but that is 0:45:44.530 --> 0:45:47.799 the genealogy of Mary. The Gospel of Matthew tells the 0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:50.830 birth narrative from the perspective of Joseph. The Gospel of 0:45:50.830 --> 0:45:54.939 Luke tells it from the perspective of of Mary. Well, 0:45:54.940 --> 0:45:58.490 thanks for listening, everyone. that's the first hour. 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