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S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl

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S2: Practical from the Bible. Tips and tricks to kill. Not

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S1: Delivering the truth daily.

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S4: All of my attempts to, you know, prop myself up

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S2: The gospel changes everything.

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S5: Freedom in Christ. Man, it's like that backpack of cement

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S6: You can learn a lot from a dog. And then

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S7: You need to explain a little.

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S6: More to Blaise. Is my six month old. What's the

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S6: Yeah, he was born September 24th, so he is six

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S2: There you go. Happy half. Blaise.

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S6: Yeah, he's a half year old boy. This dude, if I'm.

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S6: I did a little bit of research on this. You'd

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S6: they peak out in growth. So at six months for

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S6: And he can't handle any more than that because his

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S6: Especially one thing that he does with me now. So

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S6: And it's like, I'll grab a stick. Now he doesn't

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S2: Boy, it's like a baby, man. You can buy all

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S6: Give me the. Give me the wrapper. Let me cram

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S6: this in my mouth. So he's got this. I've got

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S6: And I go, oh, you got the stick. And then

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S6: But I still lunge at him, take dives at him,

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S6: Welcome to the family. 2031, 48, 89, 63, 70, 28, 60, 81, 40, 31, 88, 46, 41, 1056.

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S6: Welcome to the family. 2399 21, 59, 70, 57, 65, 55, 48, 41, 74, 1870, 11, 47, 69.

441
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S6: And 43, 49 and I missed a few here 48, 41, 74, 18.

442
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S6: I missed a couple, but God didn't miss you. 9726

443
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S6: welcome to the family. I want to say welcome to

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S6: the family for each one of you here today. It's

445
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S6: such a joy to have you here and with us.

446
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S6: And it's an awesome thing when God reaches down in

447
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S6: mercy and and calls out of darkness and into the light.

448
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S6: And you know, you used to be an enemy of

449
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S6: the cross, but today you're a child of God. And

450
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S6: it's a beautiful thing. And we praise God for every

451
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S6: one of you. Coming up here in a minute, my

452
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S6: discussion with Michael Riedel is going to make more sense

453
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S6: than ever before. For scores of you this morning, and

454
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S6: we praise God for the work he's doing in your life.

455
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S6: Who the son sets free is free indeed. You've got

456
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S6: new freedom in Jesus Christ. And he who began this

457
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S6: work in you, Philippians one six is going to carry

458
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S6: it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

459
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S6: And we thank God for the work he's doing in

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S6: your life today. Praise be to God.

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S1: Get to know the team behind the scenes. Follow Karl

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463
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S6: Carl and crew here talking in times all week long.

464
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S6: What in the world is going on around our globe?

465
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S6: You see the news of the arson fire, the really

466
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S6: anti-Semitic attack on volunteer ambulances in London. And you think,

467
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S6: how can this be happening? How can one nation that

468
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S6: has one state have such ire of the world? How

469
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S6: can it be Michael Redlick how can it be my friend?

470
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S8: Well, it's always their hatred of the Jewish people, not

471
00:29:45,180 --> 00:29:49,620
S8: just the Jewish state is endemic. It's like a disease

472
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S8: that's always under the surface and pops out periodically for

473
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S8: epidemic proportions. I think we're in one of those epidemics

474
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S8: or even a pandemic right now.

475
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S6: Yeah. Doctor Michael Ray, my guest right now, dear friend,

476
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S6: good man of God, professor emeritus of Jewish studies at

477
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S6: Moody Bible Institute. students still doing adjunct professor here in

478
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S6: the undergrad program. Get your students here. They get to

479
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S6: study under Michael host and Bible teacher of open line

480
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S6: every Saturday eight excuse me. Well, eight eastern, 9 to

481
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S6: 11 central time over this station and many more. So

482
00:30:26,110 --> 00:30:28,030
S6: check it out. You're going to want to be there.

483
00:30:28,190 --> 00:30:30,910
S6: Speaking of open line, what are the most frequently asked

484
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S6: questions that you get? Michael?

485
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S8: Uh, well, lately I've been getting a lot of questions

486
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S8: about the war and not just this war with Iran,

487
00:30:41,870 --> 00:30:47,630
S8: but about Israel, but generally speaking, uh, inconsequential questions. Uh,

488
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S8: like this is kind of funny. People really are concerned

489
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S8: about who are the sons of men, sort of sons

490
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S8: of God, daughters of men and the Nephilim in Genesis six.

491
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S6: So what's the answer for that one? These were just

492
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S6: big guys, right? Yeah.

493
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S8: Well, I think they were actually different than that. Uh,

494
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,360
S8: in Genesis yeah, four and five, you have the godly

495
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S8: line of Seth. And then chapter five, you have the

496
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:18,600
S8: ungodly line of Cain, and they marry together. And, uh,

497
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S8: then you have their sons of God. That's the godly

498
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S8: line of Seth marrying the daughters of men, uh, the

499
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S8: ungodly line of Cain. And they produce, uh, the what, the, uh,

500
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:36,480
S8: the product of those marriages were, uh, Nephilim, which means

501
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,280
S8: fallen ones in Hebrew. So they. And then what happens

502
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,440
S8: is the society becomes so corrupt that God destroys the

503
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S8: world because of a flood with a flood.

504
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S6: Michael, uh, brought you in here specifically to talk about

505
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S6: end times.

506
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S3: Mhm.

507
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S6: Uh, there's a lot of things that we can because

508
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,320
S6: we live in this day, in this time, especially as

509
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,240
S6: people get older, they can read things into things that

510
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,239
S6: maybe aren't there, but what is there that give me

511
00:32:03,330 --> 00:32:06,410
S6: the top three indicators that we are moving closer to

512
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S6: the end times. What do you see as the top three?

513
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S3: Well.

514
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S8: You know, I want to be really careful about this

515
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S8: because I don't I don't.

516
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S6: You don't know.

517
00:32:17,090 --> 00:32:20,970
S8: Speculate, I don't know. Yeah. But here's what I think.

518
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S8: First of all, there needs to be a Jewish state

519
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S8: in ancient in their ancient homeland for many of the

520
00:32:31,170 --> 00:32:34,570
S8: events of then days to take place. You read what

521
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S8: the Bible has to say about the end of days.

522
00:32:36,930 --> 00:32:40,490
S8: For example, what starts the future tribulation? It's not the rapture.

523
00:32:40,530 --> 00:32:44,130
S8: The rapture will happen before then, I believe, but the

524
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S8: what starts it is the covenant between Israel and the future.

525
00:32:49,530 --> 00:32:53,610
S8: False Messiah, the Antichrist that's in Daniel 924 through 27.

526
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S8: So what begins the tribulation period? Daniel's 70th week is

527
00:32:58,290 --> 00:33:02,070
S8: a covenant, a treaty with Israel. And so there has

528
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S8: to be in Israel. There are other factors, like the

529
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S8: fact that Israel has to recognize the Messiah at the

530
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S8: Second Coming, and they have to be in the land

531
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S8: and delivered with the Mount of Olives being split. The

532
00:33:15,310 --> 00:33:19,990
S8: campaign of Armageddon is, uh, marching through the valley of Jezreel,

533
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S8: gathering there, marching down to Jerusalem, surrounding it. So the

534
00:33:24,910 --> 00:33:29,230
S8: fact that there was a reborn state of Israel in 1948,

535
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S8: a modern return to the land beginning in 1882. All

536
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S8: that tells me that we are closer to the end

537
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S8: of days. That's one thing. A second factor, I believe,

538
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S8: and this is important, is the rise of hatred of

539
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S8: the Jewish people. Uh, because what we see in the

540
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S8: tribulation period is there's going to be a great deal

541
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S8: of tribulation. Here's the third one, a tribulation for Jewish

542
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S8: people out of hatred. And then lastly, uh, the U.N., uh,

543
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S8: hating Israel to such an extent on unjustifiable grounds. But

544
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S8: it says that in the end of days. Zechariah 12,

545
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,440
S8: Zechariah 14, all nations will gather against Jerusalem. That seems

546
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,800
S8: so possible with. With the way the world is turning

547
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:13,640
S8: anti Israel.

548
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,160
S6: With regard to all nations will turn. Right now we

549
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,880
S6: have something called the Abraham Accords. They're very encouraging. But

550
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S6: at the end of days, at the end of it all,

551
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,360
S6: I mean, there is going to be this apparent divide

552
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,960
S6: between Sunni and Shia. Please explain that to us here. Currently,

553
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,319
S6: what's going on? But but those Abraham Accords, they'll be dissolved.

554
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,760
S6: I mean, those those will go away, right, Michael?

555
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,920
S8: Well, yeah. But you know, when you read Ezekiel 38

556
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S8: and 39, it it's very state. The statement talks about

557
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S8: that there's going to be this, uh, invasion of Israel

558
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,520
S8: and it looks like it's all, again, I don't want

559
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,960
S8: to speculate, but right now from Persia, all the Persia, Russia,

560
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S8: but not Russia. Actually, the eastern part of the former

561
00:34:59,969 --> 00:35:04,530
S8: Soviet Union that are the states. Yeah. The Islamic states

562
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S8: that used to be in the Soviet Union and Libya, Sudan,

563
00:35:08,850 --> 00:35:12,049
S8: it looks like an Islamic invasion. And it's very specific.

564
00:35:12,090 --> 00:35:16,570
S8: It talks about that the Gulf states and, uh, Tarshish,

565
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S8: which represents seemingly Europe. Spain, uh, won't be part of that.

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S8: So it does look like that the Abraham Accords might

567
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S8: hold at least in the middle of the tribulation when

568
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S8: that invasion happens.

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S6: Fascinating. Doctor Michael Radulovic, our guest right now, more with

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S6: Doctor Michael Radulovic on End times. Straight ahead.

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S1: Get your info from a source you can trust. It's

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S1: Ask the Experts week with Carl and crew.

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S6: Doctor Michael Riedel. Nick, my guest this morning. We're talking

574
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S6: end times this whole week. And boy, I sure love Michael.

575
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S6: This is the one that you and I have discussed

576
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S6: off air. What is America's role in end times now. Michael,

577
00:35:58,940 --> 00:36:01,899
S6: 20 years ago we would have thought very differently of

578
00:36:01,900 --> 00:36:04,700
S6: this one. But boy, times are changing here, my friend.

579
00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:08,899
S8: Again, we can't speculate. We'll see what happens. America is

580
00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:13,180
S8: not mentioned. Perhaps it's part of the European group, the,

581
00:36:13,219 --> 00:36:17,180
S8: you know, Western European, that that seems to be there's

582
00:36:17,219 --> 00:36:20,740
S8: going to be a confederacy of nations, uh, ten nation

583
00:36:20,739 --> 00:36:25,540
S8: Confederacy that will turn, uh, and follow that future false Messiah.

584
00:36:25,580 --> 00:36:28,460
S8: Maybe America will be part of that. Uh, maybe we

585
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S8: become inconsequential and we don't have any role to play whatsoever. Uh,

586
00:36:34,020 --> 00:36:36,739
S8: but it may be that we're part of that that

587
00:36:36,739 --> 00:36:40,740
S8: will turn anti-Israel. That's one of the, the factors that,

588
00:36:40,739 --> 00:36:43,700
S8: that I see today is that there's a not just

589
00:36:43,739 --> 00:36:47,379
S8: on the radical left, more becoming centrist on the left,

590
00:36:47,380 --> 00:36:51,260
S8: but on the radical right. Yes. An anti-Israel movement.

591
00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:52,500
S6: It's really disturbing.

592
00:36:52,540 --> 00:36:57,439
S8: And, and listen, the radical rights, not just turning anti-Israel

593
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,120
S8: or against the policies of the State of Israel. They

594
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,680
S8: are engaging in all sorts of conspiracy theories about Jewish

595
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:04,920
S8: people all over the world.

596
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,840
S6: Yeah. Including the taking of Charlie Kirk's life. It's gotten

597
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,080
S6: quite bizarre, to say the least. Yeah. Uh, if someone

598
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,080
S6: receives the mark of the beast, can they repent now?

599
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,440
S6: You don't receive the mark of the beast. You actually

600
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,040
S6: take it, right, Michael? Yeah.

601
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S8: Yeah. Here's the thing. The Bible says that we're all

602
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,160
S8: under condemnation right now. John 336. Right? Right. We're all

603
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,160
S8: sitting under judgment. And so when when it says that

604
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,920
S8: if you take the mark of the beast, that you'll

605
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,520
S8: be judged, right? I assume that that's the case unless

606
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,359
S8: a person repents. And I don't know if they can

607
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,800
S8: remove the mark of the beast, if God can remove

608
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,720
S8: the mark of the beast. I don't know about that. Uh,

609
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,040
S8: it does look like don't do it because that will

610
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,319
S8: bring eternal judgment. However, this is just me because the

611
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,890
S8: text doesn't say so. But in other places, it does

612
00:37:54,890 --> 00:37:57,130
S8: seem to say that there's never a time where a

613
00:37:57,130 --> 00:38:01,330
S8: person can't repent, and I wouldn't. And so just seems

614
00:38:01,330 --> 00:38:03,290
S8: to me I want to leave that door open, that

615
00:38:03,290 --> 00:38:06,730
S8: God can do greater things even than the mark of

616
00:38:06,730 --> 00:38:07,610
S8: the beast can do.

617
00:38:07,650 --> 00:38:09,930
S6: It would seem that if the mark of the beast

618
00:38:09,969 --> 00:38:15,610
S6: provides allowance for people to exchange goods, receive food, and

619
00:38:15,610 --> 00:38:18,250
S6: somebody were to take the mark and then repent, and

620
00:38:18,250 --> 00:38:22,770
S6: they just hit the sidelines asking for no assistance, and

621
00:38:22,770 --> 00:38:26,690
S6: they genuinely mean it. God's in the business of redeeming, right? Michael.

622
00:38:27,050 --> 00:38:30,410
S8: Yeah. That's it. I never, uh, when it comes to humanity,

623
00:38:30,450 --> 00:38:32,410
S8: God is in the business of redeeming and I never

624
00:38:32,410 --> 00:38:36,010
S8: want to close the door on that. And so I know, listen,

625
00:38:36,010 --> 00:38:38,450
S8: every time this question comes up, Karl, I get hate

626
00:38:38,489 --> 00:38:41,489
S8: mail because I say that God can still redeem people,

627
00:38:41,489 --> 00:38:44,089
S8: but I'll stick with it. I'll stand on the side

628
00:38:44,090 --> 00:38:46,010
S8: of God's powerful redemption.

629
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S6: What are the biggest misconceptions about end times that you

630
00:38:49,530 --> 00:38:51,090
S6: would love to clear up right now?

631
00:38:52,140 --> 00:38:58,060
S8: Okay. The biggest misconception is that we know exactly how

632
00:38:58,060 --> 00:39:00,739
S8: it will look when we study it.

633
00:39:00,780 --> 00:39:01,299
S3: You don't.

634
00:39:01,300 --> 00:39:02,180
S6: Even. Michael.

635
00:39:03,140 --> 00:39:08,100
S8: I try to be very cautious about that. Uh, you know,

636
00:39:08,140 --> 00:39:13,300
S8: in first, uh, in second. Kings seven. Uh, when Elisha, uh,

637
00:39:13,540 --> 00:39:17,180
S8: tells you, remember that story? There's no food. And he

638
00:39:17,180 --> 00:39:21,500
S8: tells the, the steward of the king. He says, by tomorrow,

639
00:39:22,060 --> 00:39:24,979
S8: food prices are going to drop precipitously.

640
00:39:25,020 --> 00:39:27,259
S6: That's the four lepers. That's the four.

641
00:39:27,260 --> 00:39:31,779
S8: Lepers. He can't. Well, he the the steward says, even

642
00:39:31,780 --> 00:39:35,620
S8: if the windows of heaven opened, what would. That couldn't happen. Well,

643
00:39:35,940 --> 00:39:39,859
S8: the ammonites flee. Uh, the lepers get the food.

644
00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:41,060
S6: They they bring it back.

645
00:39:41,580 --> 00:39:45,180
S8: They bring it back. The food prices drop. The steward

646
00:39:45,180 --> 00:39:50,310
S8: doesn't get to benefit from it. It's fulfilled. Exactly. Literally,

647
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:52,669
S8: but in a way that no one would have anticipated.

648
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:55,549
S8: That's what I think will happen with the end of days.

649
00:39:55,550 --> 00:40:00,710
S8: It will be fulfilled, literally. But I'm not sure that

650
00:40:00,710 --> 00:40:03,230
S8: we'll see exactly how it will happen. So I believe it.

651
00:40:03,230 --> 00:40:06,109
S8: I don't want to be like that steward, but I'm

652
00:40:06,110 --> 00:40:08,670
S8: never going to say I know exactly how this how

653
00:40:08,670 --> 00:40:10,069
S8: God's going to work all this out.

654
00:40:10,110 --> 00:40:12,230
S6: That's one of my favorite stories. I think it's second

655
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:13,750
S6: Kings seven, is it not?

656
00:40:13,790 --> 00:40:14,709
S8: Yeah. Second Kings seven.

657
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S6: Yeah, yeah. Tremendous story of God's providence and work there.

658
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:21,589
S6: It's just amazing. And that steward was actually trampled by

659
00:40:21,590 --> 00:40:23,870
S6: the people that were trying to run out to get

660
00:40:23,870 --> 00:40:24,189
S6: the goods.

661
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:26,750
S8: Just like Elisha said, you're not going to get the benefit.

662
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:27,989
S6: Yeah, yeah, you'll.

663
00:40:27,989 --> 00:40:29,910
S8: See it, but you won't benefit from it.

664
00:40:29,950 --> 00:40:33,190
S6: Michael, how do you pray right now? When you see

665
00:40:33,230 --> 00:40:38,870
S6: anti-Semitism and it's on such a rise, I would say globally,

666
00:40:39,150 --> 00:40:43,069
S6: have we seen in modern history? I mean, you've obviously

667
00:40:43,070 --> 00:40:47,690
S6: the Holocaust. But that was globally. There was a Injection

668
00:40:47,690 --> 00:40:51,690
S6: globally of that. What do you how do you pray

669
00:40:51,770 --> 00:40:52,170
S6: right now?

670
00:40:52,210 --> 00:40:55,170
S8: Michael, I want to say that, first of all, the

671
00:40:55,210 --> 00:40:56,850
S8: Holocaust was not globally.

672
00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:57,730
S6: It wasn't.

673
00:40:58,210 --> 00:41:02,729
S8: No. Uh, if you in the 1930s, before the the

674
00:41:02,770 --> 00:41:05,529
S8: genocide of the Jewish people became known when it was

675
00:41:05,530 --> 00:41:09,170
S8: just antisemitism, persecution, Jew hatred.

676
00:41:09,489 --> 00:41:11,490
S6: Uh, that wasn't rejected.

677
00:41:11,730 --> 00:41:15,009
S8: No, the United States, when surveys were done in the

678
00:41:15,010 --> 00:41:19,090
S8: 1930s about who is the most dangerous, uh, group who

679
00:41:19,090 --> 00:41:22,569
S8: who do you fear the most? Americans said Jewish people,

680
00:41:22,570 --> 00:41:23,930
S8: not Nazi Germany.

681
00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:26,050
S6: So I did not know that.

682
00:41:26,370 --> 00:41:29,770
S8: Uh, yeah, there's a good documentary, America and the Holocaust,

683
00:41:29,810 --> 00:41:32,570
S8: a lot of books about that as well. Uh, so

684
00:41:32,610 --> 00:41:35,650
S8: that's one thing. And then during the Holocaust, America didn't

685
00:41:35,650 --> 00:41:38,410
S8: seek to do anything and, or did the British to

686
00:41:38,450 --> 00:41:40,490
S8: try and put an end to it when they could have.

687
00:41:40,489 --> 00:41:44,370
S8: And that's one of the great sadnesses of it. Franklin

688
00:41:44,370 --> 00:41:47,820
S8: Roosevelt said, well, my Jews are safe. And so there's

689
00:41:47,820 --> 00:41:50,780
S8: always this hatred of the Jewish people and it's always

690
00:41:50,780 --> 00:41:53,580
S8: there and it just pops out. I think this is

691
00:41:53,580 --> 00:41:56,580
S8: part of the plan of the the enemy he keeps.

692
00:41:56,620 --> 00:42:00,339
S8: He always hates the Jewish people. Uh, Psalm 83 says,

693
00:42:00,340 --> 00:42:02,180
S8: those who hate the God of Israel will hate the

694
00:42:02,180 --> 00:42:04,420
S8: people of Israel and try and destroy them. But what

695
00:42:04,420 --> 00:42:07,580
S8: he does is it's always there. And then when, uh,

696
00:42:07,660 --> 00:42:10,219
S8: because he doesn't know when the end of days will hit. Yeah.

697
00:42:10,260 --> 00:42:13,100
S8: But when he does see things happening, he's got a

698
00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:16,780
S8: person that he's going to empower to be that future

699
00:42:16,780 --> 00:42:19,500
S8: false messiah. And he's got the hatred out there that

700
00:42:19,500 --> 00:42:25,740
S8: he's ready to take advantage of, uh, and, and, and promote.

701
00:42:25,739 --> 00:42:29,420
S8: And it's always there. And so that's, that's what, and

702
00:42:29,420 --> 00:42:33,500
S8: it just comes in waves, you know, uh, constantly. It's

703
00:42:33,500 --> 00:42:35,900
S8: always there. I just didn't think it would happen in

704
00:42:35,940 --> 00:42:39,140
S8: my lifetime because it was so close to the Holocaust.

705
00:42:39,140 --> 00:42:42,060
S8: But listen, most people don't, you know, this, uh, most

706
00:42:42,060 --> 00:42:44,750
S8: young people today doubt whether the Holocaust happened.

707
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:49,230
S6: Yeah. There's it's Holocaust denial. Um, how do you pray

708
00:42:49,230 --> 00:42:51,790
S6: in light of this? Because this is this is a

709
00:42:51,790 --> 00:42:54,190
S6: spiritual war. At the end of the day, if you

710
00:42:54,190 --> 00:42:57,830
S6: can't see demons behind this hatred of Israel, you're blind.

711
00:42:58,230 --> 00:43:02,069
S8: Yeah, I say that, uh, I pray for truth to

712
00:43:02,110 --> 00:43:05,549
S8: be revealed. One thing, uh, like a lot of the

713
00:43:05,550 --> 00:43:07,630
S8: things that are being said about Jewish people in Israel,

714
00:43:07,630 --> 00:43:09,549
S8: I just pray that the truth will come out and

715
00:43:09,550 --> 00:43:12,950
S8: that I pray for believers to know the truth instead

716
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:15,390
S8: of believing the lies. Which is sad to me that

717
00:43:15,390 --> 00:43:20,029
S8: I see believers now imbibing in this this hatred. I

718
00:43:20,030 --> 00:43:22,270
S8: pray for that. I pray for the truth to be revealed.

719
00:43:22,270 --> 00:43:25,790
S8: I pray for God's protection and preservation of the Jewish people. Uh,

720
00:43:25,790 --> 00:43:28,029
S8: it's something that's promised in Scripture, so I claim it

721
00:43:28,030 --> 00:43:31,670
S8: as a promise. And, uh, here's something I would like.

722
00:43:32,070 --> 00:43:34,710
S8: I have to get the nerve up to talk to my,

723
00:43:34,750 --> 00:43:38,109
S8: the leadership at my congregation. But I think we need

724
00:43:38,110 --> 00:43:40,030
S8: to talk to our leaders to pray for the Jewish

725
00:43:40,030 --> 00:43:44,040
S8: people and pray for Israel. I do, uh, the Bible says,

726
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,239
S8: pray for the peace of Jerusalem. And one of the

727
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,960
S8: things I've noticed that my congregation is that that's something

728
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,760
S8: we never do. We never pray for the Jewish people,

729
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,160
S8: no matter what's going on. And, uh, I, I would

730
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,920
S8: like to see more congregations praying. Yeah. Uh, with God's heart.

731
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,440
S6: Michael, I love you. You're a good man.

732
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,880
S8: Appreciate you so much. Thank you for having me.

733
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,120
S6: Yeah. Great to have you here. Now, listen, uh, Michael

734
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,160
S6: has a new book out, and it is tremendous. And

735
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,080
S6: it sold so quickly, so briskly, that they had to

736
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,440
S6: do a reprint, and he threw in an afterword. It's

737
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,719
S6: how should Christians think about Israel? And I want you

738
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,040
S6: to get a landing page here. It's going to have

739
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,719
S6: a link to his site so you can find out

740
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,480
S6: everything about open line and where to listen to it.

741
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,000
S6: And also his new book. So text the word Israel

742
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:43,020
S6: to 800 555, 7898 one word Israel to 805 555 7898.

743
00:44:43,460 --> 00:44:47,219
S1: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.

744
00:44:47,460 --> 00:44:51,380
S1: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on

745
00:44:51,380 --> 00:44:52,379
S1: Moody Radio.

746
00:44:54,300 --> 00:44:57,980
S6: This week we are tackling the topic of end times.

747
00:44:57,980 --> 00:45:00,140
S6: We're going to have some experts in here, but we're

748
00:45:00,140 --> 00:45:03,940
S6: going to layer over a topic right now. That is,

749
00:45:04,260 --> 00:45:07,859
S6: it's going to help us guys. And I just want

750
00:45:07,900 --> 00:45:11,100
S6: to give you a proposed thought. Have you ever thought

751
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:13,739
S6: about the Mark of the beast? Now, as a kid

752
00:45:13,739 --> 00:45:16,180
S6: growing up, I thought about this all the time. Most

753
00:45:16,180 --> 00:45:20,140
S6: kids do. It's like, ah, how in the world? First off,

754
00:45:20,180 --> 00:45:23,460
S6: you can't accidentally stumble into taking the mark of the beast.

755
00:45:23,460 --> 00:45:28,540
S6: It'll be a willful, intentional saluting of the Antichrist. All right,

756
00:45:29,140 --> 00:45:32,340
S6: but the question I always had is who's going to know?

757
00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:35,340
S6: How is this going to work? Well, with the advent

758
00:45:35,340 --> 00:45:39,149
S6: of AI, everything's changed. Doctor Todd Corp is my guest

759
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:42,990
S6: right now. Missiologist in residence at one Hope and director

760
00:45:42,989 --> 00:45:47,790
S6: of the Digital Mission Consortium at Wheaton College, Billy Graham Center. Todd,

761
00:45:47,790 --> 00:45:49,990
S6: thank you for being with me this morning, my man.

762
00:45:49,989 --> 00:45:55,870
S6: Answer this question. Is the advent of AI not to

763
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:58,509
S6: freak anyone out, but does it add a layer of

764
00:45:58,510 --> 00:46:02,870
S6: technological skill that makes some of the end times prophecies

765
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:06,190
S6: more fulfilling? If that is a word, what do you think, Todd?

766
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:10,589
S9: I don't think that artificial intelligence has a particular bearing

767
00:46:10,590 --> 00:46:15,149
S9: on amplifying or having greater ability to fulfill end time prophecy.

768
00:46:15,350 --> 00:46:18,230
S9: What I believe it does do, however, is it has

769
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:23,270
S9: the capacity to yield tremendous damage to people or in

770
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:25,790
S9: the right hands, in the hands of believers. Also a

771
00:46:25,790 --> 00:46:29,950
S9: lot of opportunity for tremendous good to fulfill our obligation

772
00:46:29,950 --> 00:46:32,630
S9: and our commission to reach the world with the gospel

773
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:34,509
S9: before Jesus returns.

774
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:37,200
S6: You know, it's interesting, you look back at the printing press.

775
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,799
S6: We're not old enough to remember the days when those

776
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,279
S6: were debated, thankfully, but it was debated heavily. Boy, how

777
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,080
S6: could something like this possibly be used of God? And

778
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,239
S6: then a guy named Spurgeon started printing manuscripts of his messages,

779
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,280
S6: and they were sent out by the pallet loads around

780
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,800
S6: the world. It's amazing how sometimes Christians can be late

781
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,319
S6: adopters of these things, not realizing that God can use

782
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,400
S6: it for his glory. What's your take on that one, Todd?

783
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,680
S9: Yeah, I think a lot of times the church gets

784
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,839
S9: a bad rep for being behind the times. But when

785
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,759
S9: we look at when it comes to innovating for the

786
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,760
S9: sake of spreading the gospel, evangelizing cross-cultural missions, the church

787
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,080
S9: throughout its history has actually been at the forefront of

788
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,160
S9: tech adoption from Paul using the Roman roadway system, which

789
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,600
S9: we don't really think of a lot as technology. But

790
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,480
S9: in his day, it was advanced technology to share letters

791
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,600
S9: around the Roman world to the invention of the codex,

792
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,239
S9: or what we call the book now printing, press, radio

793
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,170
S9: and so forth. We have this legacy, actually, that we've

794
00:47:36,370 --> 00:47:39,730
S9: that has been passed down through the generations of being

795
00:47:39,770 --> 00:47:42,969
S9: at the forefront of tech adoption. And I believe that

796
00:47:42,969 --> 00:47:45,250
S9: we have that same opportunity here. And some of that's

797
00:47:45,290 --> 00:47:48,250
S9: already being realized, like in the area of Bible translation.

798
00:47:48,290 --> 00:47:53,210
S9: AI is rapidly accelerating the task of translating Scripture into

799
00:47:53,210 --> 00:47:56,770
S9: the heart language of every person remaining on the earth

800
00:47:56,770 --> 00:48:00,050
S9: that currently doesn't have that privilege. And so there are

801
00:48:00,090 --> 00:48:04,530
S9: tremendous opportunities that we have before us in this technology,

802
00:48:04,530 --> 00:48:08,049
S9: but it's up to us as individual believers, local church leaders,

803
00:48:08,210 --> 00:48:10,770
S9: and so forth to really look at that opportunity and

804
00:48:10,770 --> 00:48:14,250
S9: position our usage toward that end, rather than just making

805
00:48:14,250 --> 00:48:16,090
S9: our lives more productive and easier.

806
00:48:16,570 --> 00:48:18,529
S6: How do we tap into that? I know we're going

807
00:48:18,570 --> 00:48:21,890
S6: to give resources to all of our listeners today that

808
00:48:21,890 --> 00:48:24,089
S6: are going to link you boom crew, not only to

809
00:48:24,130 --> 00:48:28,650
S6: his website, but also a phenomenal blog that talks about

810
00:48:28,650 --> 00:48:31,089
S6: dealing with the machine. We're going to get into that

811
00:48:31,090 --> 00:48:35,150
S6: a little bit, but we've got some untapped potential. How

812
00:48:35,150 --> 00:48:37,910
S6: is it? I love the fact, and I've heard this,

813
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:41,669
S6: the amount of Bible translation that used to be done

814
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:43,870
S6: the old fashioned way, it sped things up a lot.

815
00:48:43,870 --> 00:48:47,630
S6: But how can the average person use AI to extend

816
00:48:47,630 --> 00:48:49,430
S6: the mission of the gospel?

817
00:48:50,550 --> 00:48:54,150
S9: Yeah, one of the best ways to begin using AI

818
00:48:54,469 --> 00:48:57,989
S9: in that way is to make a mental shift from

819
00:48:58,270 --> 00:49:02,910
S9: using AI for productivity to using AI for fruitfulness. And

820
00:49:02,910 --> 00:49:05,149
S9: what that means is something like, if we're using AI

821
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:07,870
S9: for productivity, then it's just about getting things done faster.

822
00:49:07,870 --> 00:49:10,029
S9: We fill that extra margin that it gives us with

823
00:49:10,030 --> 00:49:13,469
S9: more stuff to do. And like every other tech before it,

824
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:17,310
S9: it just makes our lives faster and more busy and distracted.

825
00:49:17,550 --> 00:49:19,710
S9: But instead, if we can use it in such a

826
00:49:19,710 --> 00:49:22,790
S9: way that gives margin in our time, and we use

827
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:25,270
S9: that margin to actually invest in the lives of the

828
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:28,830
S9: people around us, into our communities, into building relationships with

829
00:49:28,830 --> 00:49:31,509
S9: our neighbors. I believe that we actually have a lot

830
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:35,719
S9: of opportunity to redeem its usage for good purposes. And

831
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,040
S9: some of that comes down to within our lives, just

832
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,640
S9: automating some of the boring bits. So instead of using

833
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,000
S9: it to, you know, outsource our thinking and our creativity,

834
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,960
S9: using it to automate some of the things that normally

835
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,040
S9: take us away from people because we're having to do them.

836
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,160
S9: Anything from compiling a slide deck to trying to meal

837
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,759
S9: plan for our family. AI can accelerate that. But if

838
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,560
S9: it's going to meal plan for our family, that gives

839
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,440
S9: me time to spend with my kids. Not simply to

840
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,400
S9: be distracted on social media doing something.

841
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:03,840
S3: Else.

842
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,120
S6: That's good. So what you're saying is the bigger yes

843
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,279
S6: with AI is to be more effective and expedient with

844
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,200
S6: our time so that we can be in relationships. Is

845
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,880
S6: there a relationship component to AI that has been unexplored

846
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,720
S6: by the vast numbers of people at this point? Or

847
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,600
S6: is that totally an isolated me with me and machine

848
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:26,880
S6: kind of an experience?

849
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,800
S9: One of the areas that is beginning to be talked

850
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,250
S9: about That I think is a real concern for Christians

851
00:50:32,250 --> 00:50:36,850
S9: is in the area of people using AI for relationship itself,

852
00:50:36,890 --> 00:50:40,569
S9: using using it as a friend. There are different apps

853
00:50:40,570 --> 00:50:43,410
S9: that you can download to use it as like a companion,

854
00:50:43,410 --> 00:50:46,650
S9: even a romantic companion. A lot of people use, and

855
00:50:46,650 --> 00:50:51,490
S9: that is, I believe, further deepening some of our inability

856
00:50:51,489 --> 00:50:53,569
S9: to relate to others. Well. You know, when you have

857
00:50:53,610 --> 00:50:57,050
S9: a quote unquote friend that agrees with everything you do, thinks,

858
00:50:57,090 --> 00:51:00,130
S9: you know, tells you the best person ever and, you know, never,

859
00:51:00,170 --> 00:51:05,010
S9: there's never any friction that devalues the friction that actually

860
00:51:05,010 --> 00:51:08,609
S9: is necessary for real relationships to flourish and grow and

861
00:51:08,610 --> 00:51:10,970
S9: be strong. So I think there's a real concern there.

862
00:51:11,130 --> 00:51:13,810
S9: That is something that parents should be concerned in talking

863
00:51:13,810 --> 00:51:16,609
S9: to their kids about youth pastors, pastors. It should be

864
00:51:16,610 --> 00:51:19,410
S9: a discipleship conversation that we're actually having in our local

865
00:51:19,410 --> 00:51:22,330
S9: churches of how do we redeem this dynamic of relationship

866
00:51:22,489 --> 00:51:26,250
S9: in an age where frictionless relationships are just a phone

867
00:51:26,250 --> 00:51:27,090
S9: pickup away?

868
00:51:27,330 --> 00:51:29,739
S6: So quick thought on that one because grock, I mean,

869
00:51:29,780 --> 00:51:35,220
S6: they're going heavy promoting this friendship partnership, even sexual partners.

870
00:51:35,260 --> 00:51:38,380
S6: Are there any AI platforms that are free of that?

871
00:51:38,739 --> 00:51:40,940
S9: To some extent, I think that you can, you know,

872
00:51:40,980 --> 00:51:44,459
S9: a person can use an AI platform for just about anything.

873
00:51:44,900 --> 00:51:49,620
S9: Some have a lot greater degrees of control and inability

874
00:51:49,620 --> 00:51:52,100
S9: to manipulate it in that way. Claude is a lot

875
00:51:52,140 --> 00:51:55,020
S9: clunkier in terms of trying to create a friend than

876
00:51:55,020 --> 00:51:58,779
S9: necessarily Grock would be. Um, there are also some that

877
00:51:58,780 --> 00:52:01,900
S9: are some applications that are using AI for things like

878
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S9: basic cognitive behavioral therapy for people when they're having bouts

879
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S9: of anxiety or depression in times of when their actual

880
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S9: therapists can't be available. Those are some use cases that

881
00:52:11,020 --> 00:52:13,580
S9: I think have some benefit to them. Um, but yeah,

882
00:52:13,580 --> 00:52:16,340
S9: I think that there are opportunities, probably the one that's

883
00:52:16,380 --> 00:52:19,459
S9: the cleanest from being used as a relationship bot in

884
00:52:19,460 --> 00:52:21,779
S9: my opinion, is probably Gemini by Google.

885
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S6: Okay, excellent. Good feedback. Okay. Coming up here in a moment.

886
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S6: You wrote a blog a bit ago, not too long ago,

887
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,359
S6: but things quickly move in AI, and it actually has

888
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,680
S6: an embedded link to a new book of yours that

889
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,480
S6: I'm super intrigued by. AI goes to Church Pastoral Wisdom

890
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,880
S6: for Artificial Intelligence. But you're talking about let the machine

891
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:46,080
S6: kill our machine. Why we should welcome AI's disruption of

892
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:50,360
S6: the church content era. More with our special guest, Todd Korpi.

893
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:51,160
S6: Straight ahead.

894
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:56,000
S1: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to

895
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:57,120
S1: Carl and crew.

896
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,959
S6: Doctor Todd Korpi is with me right now. A little

897
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,640
S6: background on him. He is Missiologist in residence at one

898
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:10,920
S6: Hope and director of the Digital Mission Consortium at Wheaton College,

899
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:15,120
S6: Billy Graham Center, right here in Chicagoland. All right, doctor,

900
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,560
S6: let's get after it. What in the world do you mean?

901
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,720
S6: Let the machine kill our machine? What do you say?

902
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S9: Yeah. When I refer to the first use the machine.

903
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,050
S9: I'm referring to AI, obviously. But the second use of machine,

904
00:53:27,050 --> 00:53:30,370
S9: I'm referring to kind of the. Programmatic approach to church

905
00:53:30,370 --> 00:53:33,529
S9: that has become so popular in the last 30 years

906
00:53:33,530 --> 00:53:37,930
S9: or so. Where we have this enormous amount of time, money,

907
00:53:37,930 --> 00:53:43,410
S9: energy invested into the production value of. Our services and

908
00:53:43,410 --> 00:53:45,969
S9: our worship. And I'm not saying that there isn't an

909
00:53:45,969 --> 00:53:49,049
S9: element where. Excellence in worship can be a form of

910
00:53:49,050 --> 00:53:51,930
S9: worship unto God that dates back centuries, but we can.

911
00:53:51,969 --> 00:53:56,969
S9: Become so obsessed with the production value, the experience that

912
00:53:56,969 --> 00:54:01,130
S9: it actually begins to cater more towards us as people

913
00:54:01,130 --> 00:54:04,570
S9: than it does the focus of of the risen Christ,

914
00:54:04,570 --> 00:54:07,290
S9: which is the whole point of us gathering together.

915
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S6: Yeah. Let me drill down on that a little bit more.

916
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S6: So what elements of overproduced weekend service do you see

917
00:54:14,210 --> 00:54:17,489
S6: as distraction from the glory of God and staying on

918
00:54:17,489 --> 00:54:18,690
S6: point with our message?

919
00:54:18,930 --> 00:54:21,049
S9: I think some of it is the opportunity, actually not

920
00:54:21,050 --> 00:54:24,140
S9: even on Sunday, but for the ability for AI to

921
00:54:24,260 --> 00:54:29,540
S9: accelerate and to lower the cost of the production of

922
00:54:29,580 --> 00:54:32,580
S9: Sunday morning services, something as simple as the time invested

923
00:54:32,580 --> 00:54:35,660
S9: to create a slide deck, you know, could take someone

924
00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:38,700
S9: an hour or two hours to do for Sunday morning service.

925
00:54:38,700 --> 00:54:40,500
S9: It can be done in a matter of seconds with

926
00:54:40,500 --> 00:54:44,140
S9: a host of different AI apps. The ability to generate

927
00:54:44,140 --> 00:54:47,900
S9: images and video, to edit and to translate content from

928
00:54:47,900 --> 00:54:52,460
S9: one language into another. These things are increasingly cheaper because

929
00:54:52,460 --> 00:54:56,180
S9: of AI, faster because of AI, and it frees up

930
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S9: church staffs. It frees up pastors and administrators to be

931
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S9: able to actually pastor people, to be with people. And

932
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S9: I think in that regard, AI can actually take us

933
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S9: away from some of the things in church, in business,

934
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S9: if you will. I hate that term, but of doing

935
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S9: church that actually pull us further away from people.

936
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S6: So I'm thinking of ethnic groups just here in Chicagoland,

937
00:55:17,540 --> 00:55:23,270
S6: big Polish community, huge, um, Asian communities of all countries.

938
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S6: You're saying that we could even use AI in ways

939
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S6: that we haven't translated content into the heart language of

940
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S6: people that live around us? Is that one way we

941
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S6: could utilize it?

942
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S9: 100%. There are a host of different tools. There's a

943
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S9: one called lilt. There's a your big large language models

944
00:55:45,950 --> 00:55:49,830
S9: like ChatGPT provide translation options. But there are some that

945
00:55:49,830 --> 00:55:52,830
S9: you can actually download that will translate video and change

946
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S9: the embouchure of the speaker's mouth to mimic the language

947
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S9: that's being translated into. It's it's crazy, but with a

948
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S9: high degree of accuracy. I think it's always good to

949
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S9: cite that it's being translated with AI. But I know

950
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S9: of churches in other parts of the country that are

951
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:12,350
S9: doing real time translation for video venue campuses into other

952
00:56:12,350 --> 00:56:15,910
S9: languages to try to reach people groups, that those language

953
00:56:15,910 --> 00:56:18,630
S9: barriers would be prohibitive. And so there's, yeah, there's a

954
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S9: lot of opportunity just in the area of translation alone.

955
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S6: Fascinating. Okay. Uh, what's your proposal? What's the best and

956
00:56:26,290 --> 00:56:28,930
S6: finest use of AI right now in the church? What

957
00:56:28,930 --> 00:56:31,009
S6: are we what else are we missing that we need

958
00:56:31,010 --> 00:56:31,450
S6: to know?

959
00:56:31,850 --> 00:56:34,770
S9: I think one of the biggest, uh, areas where AI

960
00:56:34,969 --> 00:56:38,049
S9: stands as an opportunity in our churches is actually to

961
00:56:38,090 --> 00:56:42,490
S9: begin a process of proactive conversations. I think that when

962
00:56:42,489 --> 00:56:46,330
S9: social media kind of hit the, the main stage and

963
00:56:46,370 --> 00:56:48,890
S9: we didn't really stop to ask what that did for

964
00:56:48,890 --> 00:56:51,450
S9: our understanding of friendship and relationship and all of this.

965
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S9: And now we're kind of having to play catch up,

966
00:56:53,050 --> 00:56:56,810
S9: recognizing there's a lot of, uh, implications for how it

967
00:56:56,810 --> 00:56:59,969
S9: affects the next generation. I think now we have this

968
00:57:00,010 --> 00:57:04,290
S9: opportunity to actually come together on a particular pressing subject

969
00:57:04,290 --> 00:57:07,089
S9: as local churches and really wrestle with that together. And

970
00:57:07,090 --> 00:57:08,730
S9: I think that's one of the greatest things that we

971
00:57:08,730 --> 00:57:11,729
S9: can begin to do beyond even just the particular use

972
00:57:11,730 --> 00:57:16,010
S9: cases of dream together, wrestle together, talk together about what

973
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S9: this means for our our lives for our children and

974
00:57:20,100 --> 00:57:23,020
S9: for our youth, and what the opportunities may be right

975
00:57:23,020 --> 00:57:26,180
S9: for our particular church or our particular family, our particular

976
00:57:26,180 --> 00:57:30,060
S9: group of people. To reach people more effectively with the gospel.

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S6: Love it. Good stuff. And you really got me cogitating

978
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S6: on a few things, especially language transfers. So tremendous. Listen,

979
00:57:38,340 --> 00:57:41,740
S6: boom crew, I've got a key word for you. Text machine.

980
00:57:41,740 --> 00:57:44,540
S6: That one word machine it's going to take you to

981
00:57:44,580 --> 00:57:47,420
S6: a blog. Embedded in the blog is his new book,

982
00:57:47,460 --> 00:57:51,260
S6: AI Goes to Church Pastoral Wisdom for Artificial Intelligence. I've

983
00:57:51,260 --> 00:57:53,460
S6: checked it out. The links are all live there. Ready

984
00:57:53,460 --> 00:57:57,300
S6: to go? Take a look at this blog. Let the

985
00:57:57,300 --> 00:58:01,220
S6: machine kill our machine. Text the word machine to 800

986
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S6: 555 7898. One word machine to 800 555 7898. And

987
00:58:09,860 --> 00:58:12,500
S6: I want to thank you, Doctor Todd Korpi. This has

988
00:58:12,500 --> 00:58:15,020
S6: been a blessing, man. Good to meet you and we

989
00:58:15,060 --> 00:58:17,060
S6: look forward to having you back again my friend.