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S1: Delivering the truth daily.

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S2: The gospel changes everything.

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S5: Freedom in Christ. Man, it's like that backpack of cement

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S6: It's a big day in a lot of ways. It's

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S6: But first, on this day, happy birthday to you. Happy

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S6: birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear Ali Meister. Happy birthday

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S3: Happy birthday.

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S7: Oh, thank.

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S8: Your birthday.

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S6: That's what she wanted this morning, headbanger.

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S6: Probably some other big hair bands that thought, why didn't

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S2: And in terms of big hair bands, they're all jealous

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S3: Happy birthday.

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S6: Happy birthday.

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S4: Very grateful for another year of life.

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S6: Speaking of another year of life, how long have we

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S4: It'll be nine in October. Yeah, I started in 2017.

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S9: And that's.

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00:23:40,670 --> 00:23:41,070
S3: Wild.

457
00:23:41,109 --> 00:23:45,389
S6: It's wild. Uh, and to see them, it's kind of

458
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:50,070
S6: a double edged sword. It's whoa. Takes me back to

459
00:23:50,910 --> 00:23:54,869
S6: the soup that God saved me from. It was a mess, guys.

460
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:59,790
S6: And great gratitude for. Look. Look what God's done in

461
00:23:59,790 --> 00:24:03,750
S6: my life, man. And it's totally his grace. So we're

462
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:08,430
S6: asking you a question. What reminds you of what you've

463
00:24:08,430 --> 00:24:12,710
S6: been saved from? What reminds you? Shannon in Muncie, Indiana,

464
00:24:12,750 --> 00:24:14,710
S6: first time caller. What do you say, Shannon?

465
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:17,630
S12: Hi there.

466
00:24:19,150 --> 00:24:21,490
S6: What reminds you? Shannon? Yeah. Go ahead.

467
00:24:22,450 --> 00:24:26,010
S12: Yeah. So, um, we have a prodigal in our life

468
00:24:26,010 --> 00:24:29,530
S12: that's close to us. And I would say that daily

469
00:24:29,530 --> 00:24:31,730
S12: reminds me of what God saved me from.

470
00:24:32,690 --> 00:24:34,970
S6: Yeah, that's a, that's an interesting. Thank you so much

471
00:24:34,970 --> 00:24:37,770
S6: for calling in. Shannon. First time caller. Isn't that something?

472
00:24:37,930 --> 00:24:40,450
S4: Yeah, yeah, that's an interesting take on it. When you

473
00:24:40,850 --> 00:24:45,370
S4: look at a person and go, God has saved me.

474
00:24:45,609 --> 00:24:46,609
S3: Yeah, yeah.

475
00:24:46,650 --> 00:24:48,290
S4: Because I was once the prodigal.

476
00:24:48,330 --> 00:24:48,810
S3: Yeah.

477
00:24:49,530 --> 00:24:52,810
S6: Yeah. There's so many things that we can look at

478
00:24:52,810 --> 00:24:55,970
S6: or hear or something pops up or somebody from the past,

479
00:24:55,970 --> 00:24:58,730
S6: or you're looking on social media and you see something

480
00:24:58,730 --> 00:25:02,170
S6: that just boom. I mean, it reminds you in an instant,

481
00:25:02,170 --> 00:25:05,450
S6: look at what God has saved me from. But while

482
00:25:05,450 --> 00:25:10,330
S6: we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Wow, what

483
00:25:10,330 --> 00:25:12,930
S6: an amazing thing. Ali, let's go back to the phone

484
00:25:12,930 --> 00:25:13,570
S6: lines here.

485
00:25:13,609 --> 00:25:16,930
S4: Linda, first time caller from Akron, Ohio. What reminds you

486
00:25:16,930 --> 00:25:18,810
S4: of what you've been saved from Linda?

487
00:25:19,950 --> 00:25:24,790
S13: Hi. Yeah, this is my first public confession. I was

488
00:25:24,790 --> 00:25:28,990
S13: a thief, and I still. Even though I've been delivered

489
00:25:29,470 --> 00:25:33,109
S13: from it. Um, there are times when I have to

490
00:25:33,150 --> 00:25:38,950
S13: ask myself, is it finders keepers or are you stealing? Wow. Um,

491
00:25:39,470 --> 00:25:44,350
S13: I still it's not a temptation, but I'm. Even if someone,

492
00:25:44,869 --> 00:25:47,830
S13: even if I carry something out in my grocery cart

493
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:51,469
S13: and I didn't pay for it, I will go back in. Now. It.

494
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:54,230
S13: I just know since I was a toddler in my

495
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:57,430
S13: high school junior high years, I stole anything I could

496
00:25:57,710 --> 00:26:01,990
S13: from my mother, from anybody, any store. So I know

497
00:26:01,990 --> 00:26:05,670
S13: I've been delivered for sure. And, um, yeah, I just

498
00:26:05,670 --> 00:26:06,950
S13: needed to confess that.

499
00:26:07,630 --> 00:26:11,830
S6: Linda. That's awesome. Sister boom! And we love you. What

500
00:26:11,869 --> 00:26:15,990
S6: a beautiful thing, guys, while we were yet sinners, Christ

501
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:19,050
S6: died for us. And so we look back and go, wow,

502
00:26:19,570 --> 00:26:23,530
S6: look at what he's done in my life. Beautiful. We're

503
00:26:23,530 --> 00:26:26,130
S6: going to keep getting stories here this morning. Let's go back.

504
00:26:26,170 --> 00:26:27,250
S6: Phone lines here. Who do we have?

505
00:26:27,609 --> 00:26:31,090
S4: Christine. First time caller from Plant City, Florida. What reminds

506
00:26:31,090 --> 00:26:32,850
S4: you of what you've been saved from?

507
00:26:34,850 --> 00:26:37,889
S14: Hi. Well, I just wanted to say that I was

508
00:26:37,890 --> 00:26:42,729
S14: the prodigal. Um, I lived in addition for many years. Uh,

509
00:26:42,730 --> 00:26:45,930
S14: I lied, cheated, stole. And what helps me to remember

510
00:26:45,930 --> 00:26:48,850
S14: what God delivered me from is I go to celebrate recovery,

511
00:26:49,010 --> 00:26:54,490
S14: which is the 12 steps based off of the Bible. And, um,

512
00:26:54,890 --> 00:26:56,970
S14: when we go there, we remember where we came from,

513
00:26:56,970 --> 00:27:00,010
S14: but we don't just stop there. We, we, we look

514
00:27:00,010 --> 00:27:03,530
S14: and see what happened, how God, you know, changed our lives. Yeah.

515
00:27:03,570 --> 00:27:07,250
S14: And what we're like today. And it was a huge

516
00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:10,490
S14: dramatic change from how I used to be to how

517
00:27:10,490 --> 00:27:13,090
S14: I am now. And the song that really helps me

518
00:27:13,090 --> 00:27:16,430
S14: to remember where I came from is by Big Daddy

519
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:18,270
S14: weave is called I AM redeemed.

520
00:27:19,109 --> 00:27:19,590
S3: Yeah.

521
00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:22,590
S6: That's beautiful. Christine, thank you so much for calling in.

522
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:25,229
S6: First time caller boom. That's why we call you the

523
00:27:25,230 --> 00:27:27,909
S6: boom crew. You know, we're just taking a couple of

524
00:27:27,910 --> 00:27:33,390
S6: moments here this morning because tomorrow, I mean, kicks off

525
00:27:33,390 --> 00:27:36,390
S6: this momentous day for us and we're going to have

526
00:27:36,390 --> 00:27:39,190
S6: four days in a few hours on Saturday of share.

527
00:27:40,150 --> 00:27:43,790
S6: And I don't know that there's any greater catalyst or

528
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:48,030
S6: any great, greater call on our lives than to look

529
00:27:48,030 --> 00:27:50,950
S6: back and see the grace of God and say, whoa,

530
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:54,270
S6: look at what God has done. And it can it

531
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:56,109
S6: can ding you a little bit. It can be a

532
00:27:56,109 --> 00:27:58,790
S6: little bump of the cup, but then you go, mm,

533
00:27:59,550 --> 00:28:02,710
S6: this is powerful. Look at God's grace. What a great

534
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:06,109
S6: catalyst to, to share with others what God has done.

535
00:28:06,109 --> 00:28:06,790
S6: The good news.

536
00:28:06,830 --> 00:28:10,270
S4: And you think about how often in Scripture God's people

537
00:28:10,270 --> 00:28:12,550
S4: were told to remember.

538
00:28:12,869 --> 00:28:13,350
S9: Yeah.

539
00:28:13,930 --> 00:28:17,410
S4: Because it's very easy to forget because on one hand,

540
00:28:17,410 --> 00:28:20,210
S4: you don't really want to go back there sometimes. But

541
00:28:20,210 --> 00:28:24,930
S4: when we forget where God's delivered us, where, how he's

542
00:28:24,930 --> 00:28:29,330
S4: brought us out, we can start to slip back.

543
00:28:29,530 --> 00:28:29,970
S3: Yeah.

544
00:28:30,570 --> 00:28:34,210
S4: So forgetting is not what we remembering is a powerful thing.

545
00:28:34,250 --> 00:28:37,330
S4: Let's put it to the positive. Remembering is a powerful thing.

546
00:28:37,369 --> 00:28:41,010
S6: It is a powerful thing. It hurts a little bit

547
00:28:41,410 --> 00:28:42,970
S6: for all of us. Right, guys?

548
00:28:43,450 --> 00:28:44,410
S3: Oh, yeah. Goodness.

549
00:28:44,410 --> 00:28:47,650
S2: Yeah. Remembering is hard sometimes because you're not the same

550
00:28:47,650 --> 00:28:50,530
S2: person anymore. It's like watching something really bad on TV

551
00:28:50,770 --> 00:28:53,050
S2: and like, seeing someone do something really crazy on TV.

552
00:28:53,090 --> 00:28:56,410
S2: And you go, that was me. No. And you feel

553
00:28:56,410 --> 00:28:58,450
S2: all that kind of come back again because you're not

554
00:28:58,450 --> 00:29:02,010
S2: the same person. But Jesus changed us and he has

555
00:29:02,010 --> 00:29:03,010
S2: redeemed us.

556
00:29:03,050 --> 00:29:03,890
S6: It's beautiful.

557
00:29:04,850 --> 00:29:07,450
S1: Your shot of hope to get you through the day.

558
00:29:07,730 --> 00:29:11,090
S5: You are so, so loved. God does not want you

559
00:29:11,090 --> 00:29:13,190
S5: to stay in your past, and I want you to

560
00:29:13,230 --> 00:29:14,510
S5: know and believe that today.

561
00:29:14,510 --> 00:29:16,310
S1: You're listening to Carl and Cru.

562
00:29:16,910 --> 00:29:19,310
S6: A holy fear of God is a great thing and

563
00:29:19,310 --> 00:29:22,350
S6: allows us to approach His Word and go, how am

564
00:29:22,350 --> 00:29:27,230
S6: I doing? Well, if there's traps that are set by Satan,

565
00:29:27,270 --> 00:29:30,070
S6: boy does he bait him. And there are traps of

566
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:33,110
S6: inauthentic faith that can keep us far from God. I've

567
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:38,110
S6: been looking forward to this. Doctor Coppinger with us right now. Jed,

568
00:29:38,270 --> 00:29:40,790
S6: these traps, they're deadly, aren't they? My man.

569
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:44,469
S15: They are deadly. And one of them makes them so deadly,

570
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:47,470
S15: is how deceptive they are. The manner in which they

571
00:29:47,470 --> 00:29:49,870
S15: come to us is that they seem like the way

572
00:29:49,870 --> 00:29:53,670
S15: of life, but oftentimes they're the way of death. And

573
00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:56,670
S15: so that's why I think Jesus sounds the alarm so

574
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:58,150
S15: intensely like he does.

575
00:29:58,350 --> 00:30:01,510
S4: Doctor Jed Coppinger, our guest right now. Okay, so start

576
00:30:01,510 --> 00:30:03,830
S4: to break these down for us. You come at this

577
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:07,670
S4: from a pastor's perspective. You've been in ministry for quite

578
00:30:07,710 --> 00:30:10,150
S4: a while. How have you seen this play out both

579
00:30:10,150 --> 00:30:11,890
S4: in your own life, but then in the life of

580
00:30:11,890 --> 00:30:12,890
S4: those you've pastored.

581
00:30:13,290 --> 00:30:17,250
S15: Yeah, I've seen this play out. It's been so surprising

582
00:30:17,290 --> 00:30:19,450
S15: to me because the things you think you need to

583
00:30:19,450 --> 00:30:22,250
S15: watch out for are those those big sins in the culture,

584
00:30:22,250 --> 00:30:25,890
S15: which of course we need to stand against. But Jesus

585
00:30:25,890 --> 00:30:29,370
S15: sounds the alarm for something much more subtle, something much

586
00:30:29,370 --> 00:30:32,450
S15: more hidden that's in our own hearts that we need

587
00:30:32,450 --> 00:30:36,250
S15: to be aware of, that we can actually be the

588
00:30:36,250 --> 00:30:38,810
S15: the kind of people he's talking about who honor him

589
00:30:38,810 --> 00:30:42,130
S15: with their lips, but really have a heart that's far

590
00:30:42,170 --> 00:30:43,010
S15: from him.

591
00:30:43,210 --> 00:30:48,290
S6: What's interesting is that it's this grand, oh, the God

592
00:30:48,290 --> 00:30:50,690
S6: of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelieving.

593
00:30:50,730 --> 00:30:53,690
S6: Let's just start there. If. If the God of the age,

594
00:30:53,730 --> 00:30:57,370
S6: the prince and power of the air. Satan himself has

595
00:30:57,370 --> 00:31:01,490
S6: blinded minds. How? How does the veil come down?

596
00:31:01,690 --> 00:31:05,090
S15: Well, it's a miracle when it comes down, right? God says,

597
00:31:05,090 --> 00:31:07,810
S15: let there be light. Second Corinthians four says this every

598
00:31:07,850 --> 00:31:12,150
S15: time there's a regeneration every time there's there's that new life.

599
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:14,710
S15: But we have a role to play in that. And

600
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:16,390
S15: I think one of the things that I found in

601
00:31:16,390 --> 00:31:19,190
S15: my own life as someone who was a fake Christian

602
00:31:19,390 --> 00:31:21,590
S15: up until I was 20 years old, I knew the

603
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:24,390
S15: right answers. I had all the truths in my head,

604
00:31:24,510 --> 00:31:26,950
S15: but I had a heart that was far from him.

605
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:30,750
S15: I was like those whitewashed tombs that Jesus talked about

606
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:33,870
S15: in his final public message there on the Tuesday of

607
00:31:33,870 --> 00:31:37,630
S15: Easter week, where he said everything looked good on the outside,

608
00:31:37,630 --> 00:31:41,070
S15: but it was filled with dead men's bones. I had

609
00:31:41,070 --> 00:31:43,630
S15: a zeal for God, kind of like Paul talked about,

610
00:31:43,630 --> 00:31:47,070
S15: but not according to knowledge. And and so one of

611
00:31:47,070 --> 00:31:48,430
S15: the things you got to do is you got to

612
00:31:48,430 --> 00:31:50,910
S15: keep coming back to the Word of God and saying, yes,

613
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:56,070
S15: am I a Christian or am I an American cultural Christian,

614
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:58,510
S15: which is someone who says, I've been a Christian my

615
00:31:58,510 --> 00:32:01,270
S15: whole life, but it doesn't really make any big difference

616
00:32:01,270 --> 00:32:04,350
S15: in my life except for maybe in a really scary moment.

617
00:32:04,350 --> 00:32:07,930
S15: That's why I think that quote by John Piper is

618
00:32:07,930 --> 00:32:11,170
S15: so important, he says. You know, New Testament Christianity isn't

619
00:32:11,170 --> 00:32:15,170
S15: just about new decisions, it's about new affections. Are you

620
00:32:15,170 --> 00:32:18,930
S15: alive to God? Do you enjoy God? Do you enjoy

621
00:32:18,930 --> 00:32:22,610
S15: walking in the word? Like James says, not being just

622
00:32:22,610 --> 00:32:26,450
S15: a hearer of the word, but a doer of the word?

623
00:32:26,450 --> 00:32:30,970
S15: Because if you're just a hearer, you're deceiving yourself. The

624
00:32:30,970 --> 00:32:34,490
S15: the New Testament teaches us that no one lies to

625
00:32:34,490 --> 00:32:37,850
S15: us more than ourselves, and the only way to get

626
00:32:37,850 --> 00:32:41,570
S15: out of that trap is by walking in the truth.

627
00:32:41,610 --> 00:32:43,650
S15: The truth is found in the Word of God.

628
00:32:43,970 --> 00:32:46,850
S4: Jed, what caused you to confront this in your own life?

629
00:32:46,890 --> 00:32:50,450
S4: You mentioned coming to genuine saving faith at age 20

630
00:32:50,770 --> 00:32:55,050
S4: after years of of fake Christianity. What caused you to

631
00:32:55,090 --> 00:32:56,450
S4: see the difference?

632
00:32:56,850 --> 00:33:01,010
S15: You know, from a human perspective, I got to experience

633
00:33:01,010 --> 00:33:04,130
S15: the emptiness of success. I got all the things that

634
00:33:04,130 --> 00:33:06,710
S15: I wanted. Sometimes we come to Christ in a really

635
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:09,110
S15: tough time, and we realize we need someone to pull

636
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:12,110
S15: us out of the ditch another time. Other times, and

637
00:33:12,110 --> 00:33:14,270
S15: this is the case for me, is that we finally

638
00:33:14,270 --> 00:33:17,190
S15: get to the bottom of the broken cistern and we realize, man,

639
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:20,470
S15: there's got to be something more to life than this success,

640
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:24,390
S15: whatever the success might be for a person. For me,

641
00:33:24,430 --> 00:33:26,870
S15: it was basketball. It was the party life. It was

642
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:30,310
S15: all those kinds of things. And I had all of

643
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:33,510
S15: it that I kind of had oriented my whole life around,

644
00:33:33,510 --> 00:33:37,390
S15: and I was just empty and I wasn't experiencing the

645
00:33:37,390 --> 00:33:40,590
S15: fullness of what Jesus talks about is alone in his presence,

646
00:33:40,590 --> 00:33:43,950
S15: fullness of joy, eternal pleasures. He's calling us to more.

647
00:33:44,150 --> 00:33:47,230
S15: Not to settle for what the world offers. And so

648
00:33:47,230 --> 00:33:49,590
S15: I gave my life to him on August of my

649
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:50,790
S15: junior year in college.

650
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:53,630
S6: You know, Pastor Jed, I got to tell you, if

651
00:33:53,670 --> 00:33:56,550
S6: you look at John 16, we've looked at this one

652
00:33:56,550 --> 00:33:59,030
S6: little passage here. I'm just going to do it from

653
00:33:59,030 --> 00:34:01,830
S6: my heart here. Jesus says, if anyone would come after me,

654
00:34:01,830 --> 00:34:05,850
S6: let him deny himself, take up his cross and follow me.

655
00:34:06,610 --> 00:34:09,489
S6: You gotta lose your life to gain it. And then

656
00:34:09,489 --> 00:34:11,330
S6: he says, what does it profit a man to gain

657
00:34:11,330 --> 00:34:14,649
S6: the whole world and lose his soul? The interesting thing

658
00:34:14,650 --> 00:34:20,210
S6: here is that we've looked at self-denial as like pinnacle Christianity. Wow,

659
00:34:20,250 --> 00:34:24,290
S6: you're really rocking with Jesus when your self-denial. Jesus says

660
00:34:24,290 --> 00:34:28,730
S6: self-denial is the. It's the threshold of salvation. It's the

661
00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:31,610
S6: gate by which we pass. Pour out your heart on that, Jed.

662
00:34:31,810 --> 00:34:34,969
S15: Yeah, it's it's it is absolutely a critical part of it.

663
00:34:35,250 --> 00:34:37,489
S15: What Jesus is trying to do there is to try

664
00:34:37,489 --> 00:34:39,649
S15: to get us to die to these things that will

665
00:34:39,650 --> 00:34:42,450
S15: never give us life anyways, right? He says, for what

666
00:34:42,450 --> 00:34:44,970
S15: does it profit a man to gain the whole world

667
00:34:44,969 --> 00:34:48,690
S15: and forfeit his soul? I, I, I like the way that, uh,

668
00:34:48,690 --> 00:34:50,850
S15: the comedian Jim Carrey put it one time. He says,

669
00:34:50,850 --> 00:34:53,450
S15: I wish everyone could get rich and famous and everything

670
00:34:53,450 --> 00:34:56,490
S15: they ever dreamed of so they could see it's not

671
00:34:56,489 --> 00:35:00,250
S15: the answer. And I think that that's something that Jesus

672
00:35:00,250 --> 00:35:02,650
S15: is trying to highlight for us, but the enemy wants

673
00:35:02,750 --> 00:35:06,189
S15: us to understand, wants to keep us trapped and and

674
00:35:06,190 --> 00:35:08,509
S15: keep us far from God. And the way that he

675
00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:11,589
S15: does that is by, is by that crazy lie that

676
00:35:11,590 --> 00:35:13,870
S15: we're all tempted to believe, which is, you know, what's

677
00:35:13,870 --> 00:35:16,670
S15: going to bring you satisfaction just a little bit more,

678
00:35:16,989 --> 00:35:18,989
S15: just a little bit more at work, just a little

679
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:23,310
S15: bit more money, just a little bit. Another trip, more applause,

680
00:35:23,310 --> 00:35:25,870
S15: more affirmation, whatever the thing might be. It's never going

681
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:28,790
S15: to be a be enough. That's what Jesus says. The

682
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:31,430
S15: way to salvation isn't by keeping going down the path

683
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:35,870
S15: you're going down. It's by turning. It's repenting and dying

684
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:40,630
S15: to that old way and receiving by faith the life

685
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:43,629
S15: that he has purchased for you by your blood, by

686
00:35:43,630 --> 00:35:46,830
S15: his blood. Not something that you could earn, only something

687
00:35:46,830 --> 00:35:49,989
S15: you can receive by faith. And when you receive that

688
00:35:49,989 --> 00:35:52,510
S15: gift by faith, it changes you.

689
00:35:53,150 --> 00:35:56,870
S6: You know, I gotta tell you, um, going back to Piper,

690
00:35:57,070 --> 00:35:59,390
S6: he spoke in Atlanta with Louie Giglio a number of

691
00:35:59,390 --> 00:36:02,890
S6: years ago now to about 30, 40,000 students. And he

692
00:36:02,930 --> 00:36:06,570
S6: made the statement, there are millions and millions and millions

693
00:36:07,489 --> 00:36:11,530
S6: of people who go to great Bible preaching churches every

694
00:36:11,530 --> 00:36:15,650
S6: weekend and are lost as can be. What do you

695
00:36:15,650 --> 00:36:16,410
S6: say to that?

696
00:36:17,170 --> 00:36:21,410
S15: I would say that's a very biblical perspective. Jesus in

697
00:36:21,450 --> 00:36:25,130
S15: Matthew chapter 23, which is what my book is, is

698
00:36:25,130 --> 00:36:28,410
S15: primarily based on. He's talking to people who have Old

699
00:36:28,450 --> 00:36:32,690
S15: Testament books memorized, like the ones that we're tempted to

700
00:36:32,730 --> 00:36:35,450
S15: skip over right in the, in the Old Testament, in

701
00:36:35,450 --> 00:36:37,850
S15: our Bible reading, some of those guys had those things

702
00:36:37,850 --> 00:36:42,410
S15: memorized and still they missed it. They missed the truth

703
00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:44,330
S15: of what it was all about, which is looking to

704
00:36:44,330 --> 00:36:49,010
S15: Jesus and placing our faith in Him and His work,

705
00:36:49,010 --> 00:36:51,529
S15: not in us thinking, you know what, I'm going to

706
00:36:51,530 --> 00:36:53,090
S15: do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to

707
00:36:53,090 --> 00:36:55,290
S15: avoid that. And you know what? I've got a good

708
00:36:55,290 --> 00:36:57,530
S15: chance in heaven. I think I'm going to be good enough.

709
00:36:57,810 --> 00:37:01,190
S15: It's someone that looks at Jesus and says, Jesus, you

710
00:37:01,190 --> 00:37:05,790
S15: alone are my only hope for salvation, and you alone

711
00:37:05,989 --> 00:37:09,510
S15: are my only guide for life. You're my Savior, you're

712
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:14,430
S15: my Lord, and you're my greatest treasure. And I'll leave everything,

713
00:37:14,430 --> 00:37:16,270
S15: whatever it is that you call me to do. Because

714
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:18,669
S15: as long as I have you, I have everything. That's

715
00:37:18,670 --> 00:37:21,629
S15: what I said on that. That night in August of

716
00:37:21,630 --> 00:37:24,430
S15: my junior year in college. I just remember thinking, man,

717
00:37:24,430 --> 00:37:27,710
S15: I've wasted everything that you've given me, Lord. But whatever

718
00:37:27,710 --> 00:37:31,150
S15: I have now, it's all yours. All my sin, all my.

719
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:33,190
S15: You say, come to me, all you who are weary

720
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:36,310
S15: and heavy laden. I'm collapsing in your arms of grace.

721
00:37:36,430 --> 00:37:37,590
S15: And I'm trusting you.

722
00:37:38,030 --> 00:37:40,230
S4: Jed. You break it down pretty practically. In this book,

723
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:44,029
S4: I'm looking at some of these chapter titles. Fake Christianity

724
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:50,070
S4: fails to practice what it preaches, mandates higher standards for others,

725
00:37:50,110 --> 00:37:54,110
S4: is motivated by human attention and affirmation. Those are the

726
00:37:54,110 --> 00:37:56,750
S4: first three chapters. Pick one and and break it down

727
00:37:56,750 --> 00:37:57,430
S4: a little bit.

728
00:37:57,690 --> 00:38:01,410
S15: I found that the motivation for human attention. Jesus says

729
00:38:01,410 --> 00:38:05,130
S15: that they expanded their phylacteries and prayer shawls and different

730
00:38:05,130 --> 00:38:07,490
S15: things like this. He says they did this to be

731
00:38:07,530 --> 00:38:10,250
S15: seen by others. He's letting us know that it's easy

732
00:38:10,250 --> 00:38:13,009
S15: for us to do the right thing in the wrong way,

733
00:38:13,010 --> 00:38:16,609
S15: that we can slip into a performers mentality and to

734
00:38:16,650 --> 00:38:21,010
S15: be motivated to buy human attention and affirmation. And Jesus

735
00:38:21,010 --> 00:38:24,250
S15: says he wants us to be motivated with a servant's heart,

736
00:38:24,250 --> 00:38:27,209
S15: to be helpful and to bring glory to him and man.

737
00:38:27,210 --> 00:38:29,649
S15: It is easy to slip into that. I remember early

738
00:38:29,650 --> 00:38:32,049
S15: on in my ministry, I was getting ready to preach

739
00:38:32,090 --> 00:38:34,730
S15: a message on a passage that was really an easy

740
00:38:34,730 --> 00:38:38,049
S15: passage to preach on, but I was so anxious and

741
00:38:38,050 --> 00:38:40,130
S15: as I examined why it was I was so anxious,

742
00:38:40,130 --> 00:38:42,250
S15: I realized it wasn't because I was worried I would

743
00:38:42,250 --> 00:38:44,770
S15: get the truth of Scripture wrong. It was because I

744
00:38:44,770 --> 00:38:46,890
S15: was worried that I wouldn't be thought of as a

745
00:38:46,890 --> 00:38:50,730
S15: good preacher. And without even realizing it, my heart had

746
00:38:50,730 --> 00:38:55,850
S15: slipped into a performer's mentality. I wanted to be seen,

747
00:38:55,989 --> 00:38:59,509
S15: affirmed by others for doing these things. Jesus calls us

748
00:38:59,510 --> 00:39:03,230
S15: to something more. To be a servant, to bring him glory,

749
00:39:03,230 --> 00:39:06,270
S15: to be consumed with that kind of approach. And that's

750
00:39:06,270 --> 00:39:09,350
S15: the place of freedom. That's the place of peace.

751
00:39:09,710 --> 00:39:13,029
S6: Beautiful man. I gotta tell you, pastor, this is some

752
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:16,190
S6: good stuff here. Name of the book is Fake Christianity

753
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:22,030
S6: ten traps of an Inauthentic Faith. This is good for you.

754
00:39:22,350 --> 00:39:24,989
S6: I want you to check it out. Text the word fake.

755
00:39:25,469 --> 00:39:28,870
S6: Text the word fake. You might not want to have

756
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:30,950
S6: anyone looking over your shoulder when you text it. Just

757
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:36,469
S6: text the word fake to 800 555 7898. Just that

758
00:39:36,469 --> 00:39:41,589
S6: one word. Fake to 800 555 7898. Before I let

759
00:39:41,590 --> 00:39:44,270
S6: you go, I got one question here revolves around parents.

760
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:47,630
S6: There's an epidemic and I've been a pastor. Now I'm

761
00:39:47,630 --> 00:39:50,029
S6: not a radio guy. I just stumbled into this in

762
00:39:50,030 --> 00:39:52,950
S6: the last ten years. No, God called me into it.

763
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:56,210
S6: Let's get that right. but I've been a pastor for

764
00:39:56,210 --> 00:40:00,250
S6: a lot of years, and I've seen this in our

765
00:40:00,250 --> 00:40:03,450
S6: church campuses here in Chicago alone. We have my wife

766
00:40:03,450 --> 00:40:08,009
S6: says now 41 kids that were raised in church in good, imperfect,

767
00:40:08,010 --> 00:40:11,450
S6: but good Christian homes who are far from God. There's

768
00:40:11,489 --> 00:40:13,890
S6: a tendency, though, for a lot of moms and dads

769
00:40:13,890 --> 00:40:17,210
S6: to find validation in where their kids are, and so

770
00:40:17,210 --> 00:40:19,650
S6: they don't even pray for their kids rightly. They're praying

771
00:40:19,650 --> 00:40:21,370
S6: for them to get back to church when the prayer

772
00:40:21,410 --> 00:40:23,890
S6: needs to be, God, get them in you. Would you

773
00:40:23,930 --> 00:40:25,210
S6: pour out your heart on that one?

774
00:40:25,530 --> 00:40:29,569
S15: Yeah. I mean, nothing shows us more than anything about

775
00:40:29,570 --> 00:40:32,410
S15: the need for a prayer life then parenting, because it

776
00:40:32,450 --> 00:40:34,609
S15: reveals to us. I'm at a family camp right now

777
00:40:34,650 --> 00:40:38,810
S15: talking to folks about this issue right here, because it's

778
00:40:38,810 --> 00:40:42,490
S15: so critical, because you cannot control outcomes. You can only

779
00:40:42,489 --> 00:40:45,330
S15: cultivate them just like a farmer. You can do the

780
00:40:45,370 --> 00:40:47,450
S15: work in the soil, but you need God to send

781
00:40:47,450 --> 00:40:49,410
S15: the rain. And that's why we want to be a

782
00:40:49,410 --> 00:40:51,370
S15: people that pray and our prayer lives show that we

783
00:40:51,370 --> 00:40:55,270
S15: believe God is is loving enough and powerful enough to

784
00:40:55,310 --> 00:40:58,870
S15: work in our kids lives. And also it shows that

785
00:40:58,870 --> 00:41:03,790
S15: we are humble enough in a stage where we need it.

786
00:41:03,790 --> 00:41:07,430
S15: Pride doesn't pray. That's why Jesus points us to a

787
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:10,550
S15: father child relationship at this stage where our child needs

788
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:13,790
S15: help with daily bread to show us, this is what

789
00:41:13,790 --> 00:41:15,790
S15: I want you to think about when you think about

790
00:41:15,790 --> 00:41:19,670
S15: prayer that pride doesn't pray. So let's fight that pride

791
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:22,270
S15: with our prayer lives. Let's pray our problems. Let's pray

792
00:41:22,270 --> 00:41:25,509
S15: our fears. Let's pray our tears. All the things that

793
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:28,270
S15: you're dealing with with your kids. Let's pray that God

794
00:41:28,270 --> 00:41:30,830
S15: sends the rain. That he sends the fire. That he

795
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:35,549
S15: awakens hearts and stirs them. We don't just want kids

796
00:41:35,550 --> 00:41:38,230
S15: who are moral, which is great. That keeps you out

797
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:40,710
S15: of jail. We want kids going to heaven, and that's

798
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:42,790
S15: what we need to pray for. Regeneration.

799
00:41:42,830 --> 00:41:47,590
S6: Amen. Good stuff guys. Grab it. Text the word fake

800
00:41:47,870 --> 00:41:51,569
S6: to 800 555 7898. It'll give you a link to

801
00:41:51,610 --> 00:41:55,730
S6: fake Christianity. Ten Traps of Inauthentic Faith. Pastor, thanks for

802
00:41:55,730 --> 00:41:58,170
S6: being with us today. I appreciate you so much, my man.

803
00:41:59,410 --> 00:42:02,290
S1: Celebrating the unstoppable gospel.

804
00:42:02,450 --> 00:42:04,370
S2: It's not that I've got to fill in these check

805
00:42:04,410 --> 00:42:06,650
S2: boxes so he's okay with me, but it's that I

806
00:42:06,650 --> 00:42:09,049
S2: get to stand close to him so that I can

807
00:42:09,050 --> 00:42:11,490
S2: experience the life that he has for me.

808
00:42:11,730 --> 00:42:13,650
S1: You're listening to Carl and Cru.

809
00:42:14,250 --> 00:42:16,130
S6: You know, I'm going to go real chill on this one.

810
00:42:16,890 --> 00:42:18,210
S6: Happy birthday Ali.

811
00:42:18,770 --> 00:42:19,250
S4: Well thank.

812
00:42:19,250 --> 00:42:19,610
S3: You.

813
00:42:19,650 --> 00:42:20,210
S2: Happy birthday.

814
00:42:20,730 --> 00:42:21,330
S5: Happy birthday.

815
00:42:21,370 --> 00:42:23,050
S4: Ali. Thank you, I appreciate it.

816
00:42:23,090 --> 00:42:26,290
S6: It is so much fun to have you on this team.

817
00:42:26,290 --> 00:42:27,250
S3: Oh yeah.

818
00:42:27,290 --> 00:42:28,610
S4: I appreciate you saying that.

819
00:42:28,610 --> 00:42:31,009
S6: It's a joy. It's a joy. By the way, if

820
00:42:31,010 --> 00:42:35,009
S6: you want to know who responds to emails, well we

821
00:42:35,010 --> 00:42:37,770
S6: all tackle them. But Ali gets a lion's share of

822
00:42:37,770 --> 00:42:41,330
S6: these bad boys, let me tell you. And she responds

823
00:42:41,330 --> 00:42:44,529
S6: with grace and encouragement and hope. And we got a

824
00:42:44,530 --> 00:42:48,810
S6: whole team that responds to different emails and especially text messages.

825
00:42:48,810 --> 00:42:51,029
S6: We try to. We try to respond to as many

826
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:53,549
S6: people as we can. But boy, it takes a team

827
00:42:53,550 --> 00:42:55,589
S6: to pull this one off. And I'm glad you're on

828
00:42:55,590 --> 00:42:56,430
S6: the team. Ali.

829
00:42:56,430 --> 00:42:59,469
S4: Thank you. It's a it is a great privilege to

830
00:42:59,510 --> 00:43:01,110
S4: be a part of this team. Truly.

831
00:43:02,190 --> 00:43:04,110
S6: Any words for Ali here, guys?

832
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:06,190
S5: Oh, goodness.

833
00:43:06,190 --> 00:43:07,150
S16: How long is the show?

834
00:43:07,469 --> 00:43:07,830
S4: Oh.

835
00:43:08,670 --> 00:43:12,550
S16: No. I mean, I'm serious. You are a good friend,

836
00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:16,390
S16: a dear friend. You're amazing. You're talented, you're beautiful. But

837
00:43:16,430 --> 00:43:20,150
S16: as Carl said, you are so pivotal to this team.

838
00:43:20,430 --> 00:43:25,470
S16: And it's been an absolute blessing to know you professionally

839
00:43:25,469 --> 00:43:28,350
S16: and personally. It really has. And just to get to

840
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:31,470
S16: I into your family and to enjoy that with you

841
00:43:31,950 --> 00:43:36,630
S16: in your heart and just all that, your talent. You're

842
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:39,469
S16: very talented woman. A lot of people know, I mean,

843
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:42,310
S16: your broadcasting background. I mean, seriously, there's a lot of

844
00:43:42,310 --> 00:43:44,110
S16: things that people don't know about Ali.

845
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:44,630
S6: Oh, there's.

846
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:46,350
S3: A lot I know. There's a.

847
00:43:46,469 --> 00:43:46,709
S16: Lot.

848
00:43:47,070 --> 00:43:49,130
S3: About. There's a lot there, man.

849
00:43:49,370 --> 00:43:50,570
S6: And we ain't gonna go there.

850
00:43:50,570 --> 00:43:50,810
S3: Right.

851
00:43:50,810 --> 00:43:51,049
S6: Now.

852
00:43:51,090 --> 00:43:51,770
S3: Because that's.

853
00:43:51,810 --> 00:43:52,410
S4: That turned.

854
00:43:52,410 --> 00:43:55,370
S3: Quickly. There's a lot, but no.

855
00:43:55,489 --> 00:43:58,970
S16: Um, thanking God for blessing me to know you. Thank you.

856
00:43:59,010 --> 00:44:02,410
S16: And to work with you, Diana. Thank you. I'm, I'm. Yeah.

857
00:44:02,450 --> 00:44:05,049
S16: I'm going to get teary eyed. I'm gonna stop now. Jonathan.

858
00:44:05,530 --> 00:44:05,890
S3: I won't.

859
00:44:05,890 --> 00:44:06,410
S2: Get teary.

860
00:44:06,410 --> 00:44:06,649
S3: Eyed.

861
00:44:07,010 --> 00:44:10,049
S2: But I will say, uh, we are so grateful to

862
00:44:10,090 --> 00:44:12,089
S2: have you here with us, uh, as a part of

863
00:44:12,090 --> 00:44:15,770
S2: the team and a part of the family. And your

864
00:44:15,770 --> 00:44:19,689
S2: heart for the Lord is inspiring. Yeah. Uh, I love

865
00:44:19,690 --> 00:44:22,410
S2: hearing your story. Uh, you know how you grew up

866
00:44:22,410 --> 00:44:26,730
S2: in the church, but you know how God really unlocked

867
00:44:26,930 --> 00:44:30,770
S2: a genuine faith in him? Uh, over time, kind of

868
00:44:30,810 --> 00:44:33,730
S2: as you were an adult and seeing the heart for

869
00:44:33,730 --> 00:44:37,370
S2: you that you have for him. Now, there is no questioning, uh,

870
00:44:37,770 --> 00:44:39,930
S2: how your relationship has grown with him over the years.

871
00:44:39,930 --> 00:44:42,330
S2: And so very grateful for you being here and sharing

872
00:44:42,330 --> 00:44:44,650
S2: that with us and with everyone else who's in their

873
00:44:44,650 --> 00:44:45,370
S2: cars right now.

874
00:44:45,410 --> 00:44:45,810
S3: Yeah.

875
00:44:45,850 --> 00:44:47,750
S4: Thanks young thunder. I appreciate that.

876
00:44:47,790 --> 00:44:48,190
S3: Yeah.

877
00:44:48,670 --> 00:44:49,070
S4: Wow.

878
00:44:49,790 --> 00:44:51,310
S6: What's your favorite birthday meal?

879
00:44:51,790 --> 00:44:53,190
S4: My favorite birthday meal.

880
00:44:53,230 --> 00:44:53,550
S3: Oh.

881
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:56,070
S2: Also, who's your favorite member of Carl and crew?

882
00:44:56,190 --> 00:44:58,030
S3: Oh. Happy birthday.

883
00:44:59,070 --> 00:45:00,710
S6: What's your favorite birthday meal?

884
00:45:02,750 --> 00:45:04,469
S4: I'm trying to. I'm trying to think. I mean, I

885
00:45:04,469 --> 00:45:06,910
S4: think if I could design a perfect birthday meal, it

886
00:45:06,910 --> 00:45:12,910
S4: would probably be a really good steak with, like, a

887
00:45:13,150 --> 00:45:14,790
S4: sauteed spinach.

888
00:45:14,910 --> 00:45:15,990
S6: Oh, we're going there.

889
00:45:16,270 --> 00:45:21,750
S4: Oh, and like a good, like, honestly, probably French fries.

890
00:45:23,150 --> 00:45:25,030
S16: Hey, if we're going to have a birthday, let's.

891
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:25,990
S3: Let's do this.

892
00:45:26,030 --> 00:45:29,030
S6: Yeah. And let's let's be honest, it's awesome. French fries

893
00:45:29,070 --> 00:45:30,190
S6: and steak. I love.

894
00:45:30,190 --> 00:45:30,430
S3: That.

895
00:45:30,469 --> 00:45:32,509
S4: And one of the things that my husband thinks is

896
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:35,950
S4: kind of quirky about me is that I really like,

897
00:45:35,989 --> 00:45:39,910
S4: I love different sauces. So if there's like, if there's

898
00:45:39,950 --> 00:45:42,790
S4: a steak or, and they give you like sometimes they'll

899
00:45:42,790 --> 00:45:46,169
S4: give you different salts or different sources to. I'm going

900
00:45:46,170 --> 00:45:47,890
S4: to try all of them, and I'm not.

901
00:45:47,890 --> 00:45:48,049
S3: Going.

902
00:45:48,050 --> 00:45:50,529
S4: To have a single byte that I don't dip into it.

903
00:45:50,570 --> 00:45:54,810
S4: If it's a. Or if there's like a, a, a saw,

904
00:45:54,850 --> 00:45:57,930
S4: like I'm always going to try the sources, all of them.

905
00:45:57,930 --> 00:46:00,250
S4: And he's not a source guy. So he finds it

906
00:46:00,250 --> 00:46:02,850
S4: kind of strange that I'm as into like the sources

907
00:46:02,850 --> 00:46:05,690
S4: as I am. But yeah, give me all the dipping sauces.

908
00:46:05,690 --> 00:46:08,290
S4: Let me try it all and let's go. Lots of salt.

909
00:46:08,290 --> 00:46:11,010
S4: And then how about a big brownie with a scoop

910
00:46:11,010 --> 00:46:13,049
S4: of ice cream? Even though I don't eat dairy, let's

911
00:46:13,050 --> 00:46:14,250
S4: go for it on my birthday.

912
00:46:14,290 --> 00:46:16,930
S3: On her birthday doesn't count.

913
00:46:16,930 --> 00:46:17,250
S2: If it's on.

914
00:46:17,250 --> 00:46:17,609
S3: Your birthday.

915
00:46:17,650 --> 00:46:18,810
S4: Doesn't count, right?

916
00:46:18,850 --> 00:46:19,370
S3: That's right.

917
00:46:19,890 --> 00:46:21,090
S6: Happy birthday. Ali.

918
00:46:21,290 --> 00:46:21,770
S3: Thank you.

919
00:46:22,690 --> 00:46:25,930
S4: I will say I best birthday gift I've gotten of

920
00:46:25,930 --> 00:46:29,330
S4: the day for sure is a text from my 16

921
00:46:29,370 --> 00:46:32,850
S4: year old daughter. The sweetest birthday text ever.

922
00:46:33,210 --> 00:46:36,010
S3: Wow. And I just I'm almost.

923
00:46:36,010 --> 00:46:39,850
S4: Tearing up in here because, you know, so unexpected to

924
00:46:39,890 --> 00:46:43,270
S4: get affirmation from from your teenage Teenage.

925
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:45,950
S3: Enough said. I don't say it enough.

926
00:46:45,989 --> 00:46:47,510
S16: You need to say anything else.

927
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:48,790
S4: Dot dot dot.

928
00:46:48,910 --> 00:46:50,070
S3: Here's why.

929
00:46:50,070 --> 00:46:50,190
S4: I.

930
00:46:50,190 --> 00:46:50,430
S3: Love.

931
00:46:50,430 --> 00:46:53,910
S4: You so. Man, that one scene just about a couple

932
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:57,150
S4: minutes ago, came in and she's just starting her school

933
00:46:57,150 --> 00:46:59,950
S4: day before she gets her phone put away. Sent me

934
00:46:59,950 --> 00:47:01,830
S4: a text to wish me happy birthday. That meant a

935
00:47:01,830 --> 00:47:02,430
S4: lot to me.

936
00:47:02,670 --> 00:47:03,109
S3: Here's the.

937
00:47:03,110 --> 00:47:04,470
S16: Deal. There's the day.

938
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:07,310
S6: I feel prompted of the spirit here with something we've

939
00:47:07,310 --> 00:47:10,029
S6: been talking all morning here, off and on about what

940
00:47:10,070 --> 00:47:13,069
S6: reminds you of what you've been saved from. And I

941
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:16,030
S6: sense in my heart that some of you that need

942
00:47:16,030 --> 00:47:20,550
S6: to be saved from yourself and from the manifestation of,

943
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:24,390
S6: of different things that are going on in your life

944
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:27,589
S6: that are derailing you and keeping you from life in

945
00:47:27,590 --> 00:47:29,870
S6: Christ Jesus. And you came here and you might have

946
00:47:29,870 --> 00:47:33,790
S6: heard some stories, and maybe you are this morning just

947
00:47:33,790 --> 00:47:35,750
S6: at the end of yourself. And I want you to

948
00:47:35,790 --> 00:47:39,069
S6: know that's the that's the only posture to be in

949
00:47:39,070 --> 00:47:43,450
S6: where Jesus can save your soul. Blessed are the poor

950
00:47:43,450 --> 00:47:46,370
S6: in spirit. Jesus said, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

951
00:47:46,370 --> 00:47:49,370
S6: Poor in spirit means that you realize when you realize

952
00:47:49,370 --> 00:47:53,450
S6: your spiritual bankruptcy, that you're broke, man, you're, you're, you're

953
00:47:53,450 --> 00:47:56,890
S6: broken and you're broke. You got nothing. You got nothing

954
00:47:56,890 --> 00:48:00,570
S6: to bring to the table. And when you become aware

955
00:48:00,570 --> 00:48:02,689
S6: by the power of the Holy Spirit that you're a

956
00:48:02,690 --> 00:48:05,930
S6: sinner and you need a savior, you've been missing the mark,

957
00:48:06,610 --> 00:48:10,650
S6: and it's painful. I want to tell you the best

958
00:48:10,650 --> 00:48:16,209
S6: news ever. If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord,

959
00:48:16,250 --> 00:48:18,569
S6: and I'll explain that in a moment and believe in

960
00:48:18,570 --> 00:48:21,330
S6: your heart that God raised him from the dead, you

961
00:48:21,330 --> 00:48:26,609
S6: will be saved. And it's being saved indicates something very

962
00:48:26,610 --> 00:48:30,410
S6: important here that you are walking dead. You were born

963
00:48:30,410 --> 00:48:34,129
S6: with your back to God. You're an enemy of the cross.

964
00:48:34,330 --> 00:48:37,810
S6: But in God's goodness and mercy, he reveals to you

965
00:48:38,290 --> 00:48:41,790
S6: that he wants to save you. And we've been celebrating

966
00:48:41,790 --> 00:48:44,910
S6: Ali's birthday today. But there's no greater birthday than a

967
00:48:44,910 --> 00:48:49,750
S6: spiritual rebirth day. And today's your day. And I don't

968
00:48:49,790 --> 00:48:53,390
S6: know why you're here. Except that God and His goodness

969
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:55,630
S6: saw fit to bring you here. So I want to

970
00:48:55,630 --> 00:48:59,509
S6: explain this. If you confess with your mouth, Jesus is Lord.

971
00:48:59,830 --> 00:49:02,109
S6: You see, when we've really come to the bottom of

972
00:49:02,110 --> 00:49:05,589
S6: our self, the end of our self, we realize I

973
00:49:05,590 --> 00:49:10,310
S6: don't just believe that he exists. I believe that he

974
00:49:10,310 --> 00:49:13,629
S6: must be the highest authority in my life, that he's

975
00:49:13,630 --> 00:49:18,030
S6: going to direct the affairs of my life. Jesus said,

976
00:49:18,030 --> 00:49:19,950
S6: I am the way and the truth and the life.

977
00:49:19,950 --> 00:49:22,589
S6: No man comes to the father but through me, and

978
00:49:22,590 --> 00:49:26,509
S6: you can come to him today. But that that new direction,

979
00:49:26,510 --> 00:49:29,430
S6: the new way, means that you're leaving the broad path

980
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:32,430
S6: that leads to destruction, and you're surrendering all you are

981
00:49:32,430 --> 00:49:36,750
S6: to Jesus. And I'm simply going to ask you today

982
00:49:36,750 --> 00:49:42,930
S6: is today your day of new birth. You're lost. But

983
00:49:42,930 --> 00:49:45,370
S6: you know that God's calling to your heart. To surrender

984
00:49:45,370 --> 00:49:48,969
S6: all that you are to him. And it's his work

985
00:49:48,969 --> 00:49:52,330
S6: that does that. And today you're turning off the broad

986
00:49:52,330 --> 00:49:55,930
S6: path that leads to destruction. You're turning around, you're doing

987
00:49:55,930 --> 00:50:00,250
S6: a 180, you're repenting of your sin today, and you're saying,

988
00:50:00,250 --> 00:50:04,810
S6: I give you my life. I'm confessing with my mouth

989
00:50:04,810 --> 00:50:07,330
S6: for the first time in my life, never before have

990
00:50:07,330 --> 00:50:10,489
S6: I said this. You are the one in charge of

991
00:50:10,489 --> 00:50:15,370
S6: me now. Wow. You believe in your heart that God

992
00:50:15,370 --> 00:50:21,569
S6: raised him from the dead. You will be saved. And

993
00:50:21,570 --> 00:50:23,529
S6: if that's you right now, we're going to help you

994
00:50:23,530 --> 00:50:25,250
S6: in just a moment. But I'm going to pray for

995
00:50:25,250 --> 00:50:27,049
S6: you right now. And then Ali's going to give you

996
00:50:27,050 --> 00:50:29,250
S6: a link of something that we're going to hook you

997
00:50:29,250 --> 00:50:30,770
S6: up with. It's going to help you in your first

998
00:50:30,770 --> 00:50:33,170
S6: steps with Jesus. But it's been a while, and I

999
00:50:33,170 --> 00:50:36,170
S6: felt prompted to give the good news that you needed

1000
00:50:36,170 --> 00:50:40,350
S6: this morning. And father, I pray for this person right now.

1001
00:50:41,390 --> 00:50:46,110
S6: They are the focal point of your grace this morning.

1002
00:50:46,430 --> 00:50:50,310
S6: Your favor, your power to do them what they can

1003
00:50:50,310 --> 00:50:54,150
S6: not do in themselves. And I praise you that as

1004
00:50:54,190 --> 00:50:58,950
S6: this person right now is turning and surrendering to you,

1005
00:50:58,950 --> 00:51:02,549
S6: I thank you that you are flooding them with joy,

1006
00:51:02,550 --> 00:51:08,750
S6: indescribable and peace that's been elusive for their whole life,

1007
00:51:09,830 --> 00:51:14,069
S6: and you're giving them a hope that is almost hard

1008
00:51:14,070 --> 00:51:17,710
S6: to put into words. And Lord, I praise you that

1009
00:51:17,710 --> 00:51:22,950
S6: you call sinners out of darkness and into the light,

1010
00:51:23,590 --> 00:51:26,630
S6: and you save us thoroughly. And it's your work completely.

1011
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:29,190
S6: And I give you thanks for that today. Ali, we

1012
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:30,390
S6: want to help some people.

1013
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:34,270
S4: If that's you, just text the word new to 805

1014
00:51:34,370 --> 00:51:42,210
S4: 55 7898. N e w new to 800 555 7898.

1015
00:51:42,250 --> 00:51:44,250
S4: That just allows us to send you a quick text

1016
00:51:44,250 --> 00:51:46,650
S4: message that's going to give you some follow up, an

1017
00:51:46,690 --> 00:51:49,689
S4: opportunity to get connected, even with a member of our

1018
00:51:49,690 --> 00:51:53,330
S4: team here at Moody, just to text new to 800

1019
00:51:53,330 --> 00:51:55,890
S4: 555 7898.

1020
00:51:55,930 --> 00:51:59,609
S6: Yeah. And God loves you so much. He knew that

1021
00:51:59,610 --> 00:52:02,850
S6: you would be here today. He knew that you were

1022
00:52:02,850 --> 00:52:05,729
S6: coming to the end of yourself. And he knew that

1023
00:52:05,730 --> 00:52:10,850
S6: the the prevenient grace of God, this, this ever present

1024
00:52:10,850 --> 00:52:14,970
S6: reality of the good news of Jesus Christ, the veil

1025
00:52:14,969 --> 00:52:17,970
S6: would come down and new life would be ushered in.

1026
00:52:17,969 --> 00:52:20,770
S6: And welcome to the family. If that's you today, just

1027
00:52:20,770 --> 00:52:26,810
S6: text the word new to 800 555 7898. The old

1028
00:52:26,810 --> 00:52:29,969
S6: is gone. The new has come. Just text the word new.

1029
00:52:30,010 --> 00:52:37,350
S6: One word new to 805. Five. 555 7898. And welcome

1030
00:52:37,350 --> 00:52:38,230
S6: to the family.

1031
00:52:39,150 --> 00:52:41,910
S1: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

1032
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:44,950
S6: Want to get the story behind the story and what's

1033
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:47,149
S6: going on in Iran? You see a lot of it.

1034
00:52:47,150 --> 00:52:50,030
S6: You hear a lot of the statistics. You hear about

1035
00:52:50,070 --> 00:52:55,110
S6: navies that are no more and you hear about air supremacy.

1036
00:52:55,110 --> 00:52:57,989
S6: But the real air supremacy is the power of the

1037
00:52:57,989 --> 00:53:02,190
S6: Spirit of God, who is working mightily in Iran. Doctor,

1038
00:53:02,590 --> 00:53:05,190
S6: share it with us right now. Her most good to

1039
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:07,990
S6: have you with us today. Thank you, my friend. Um,

1040
00:53:08,430 --> 00:53:11,149
S6: we're with what's on your heart, what's going on right

1041
00:53:11,150 --> 00:53:13,509
S6: now in Iran from your vantage point?

1042
00:53:14,350 --> 00:53:17,870
S17: Well, thank you, Carl, um, for inviting me to share.

1043
00:53:18,190 --> 00:53:21,390
S17: There is so much happening in Iran. It's a history

1044
00:53:21,390 --> 00:53:25,230
S17: in the making, of course, the political part, the war,

1045
00:53:25,469 --> 00:53:28,230
S17: all of you know, and you watch and you see

1046
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:32,850
S17: what's happening. But there is a spiritual history is also

1047
00:53:32,850 --> 00:53:36,810
S17: being made and biblical prophecies are being fulfilled. And the

1048
00:53:36,810 --> 00:53:41,130
S17: people of Iran have been suffering for 46 years. And

1049
00:53:41,130 --> 00:53:43,570
S17: for the last year or two, they have been asking

1050
00:53:43,570 --> 00:53:47,330
S17: for help. See how miserable the people of Iran have

1051
00:53:47,330 --> 00:53:51,850
S17: been that they would call foreign nations? Would you attack us?

1052
00:53:52,090 --> 00:53:56,970
S17: This attack was invited, was initiated by the people of Iran.

1053
00:53:56,969 --> 00:54:00,930
S17: They have been saying, hey, Uncle Trump, by the way,

1054
00:54:00,969 --> 00:54:04,050
S17: they like they love Trump and they call him Uncle Trump.

1055
00:54:04,290 --> 00:54:08,049
S17: Uncle Trump, come and help us. Bibi Netanyahu will come

1056
00:54:08,050 --> 00:54:11,530
S17: and help us. So desperate that they say we cannot

1057
00:54:11,530 --> 00:54:14,450
S17: do it. We come on the streets, they kill by thousands.

1058
00:54:14,489 --> 00:54:18,610
S17: You know, in January, about 40,000 people were killed in

1059
00:54:18,650 --> 00:54:22,410
S17: two nights that they come out and 100,000 people have

1060
00:54:22,410 --> 00:54:27,009
S17: been arrested, which can be and will be executed if

1061
00:54:27,010 --> 00:54:31,589
S17: we don't do anything. Last year, they executed five people

1062
00:54:31,630 --> 00:54:37,110
S17: per day that 100,000 people. If the if the government

1063
00:54:37,110 --> 00:54:40,669
S17: of Iran survives. Their lives are in danger. So this

1064
00:54:40,670 --> 00:54:43,870
S17: is what's happening. People of Iran are pretty happy. I

1065
00:54:43,870 --> 00:54:46,630
S17: hope you you have seen that the bombs are coming

1066
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:51,990
S17: into cities. People are on their rooftops. They are rejoicing there.

1067
00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:56,190
S17: They are singing. Some of them have even the chairs

1068
00:54:56,190 --> 00:54:59,550
S17: to watch because they feel safe. They know that us

1069
00:54:59,550 --> 00:55:03,469
S17: will not attack residential, so they feel safe. They feel

1070
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:07,070
S17: that there is a hope that the government will calm

1071
00:55:07,070 --> 00:55:09,629
S17: down and that hope is sustaining them.

1072
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:10,110
S3: Yeah.

1073
00:55:10,469 --> 00:55:13,549
S4: Doctor Shariat, our guest right now, founder and president of

1074
00:55:13,550 --> 00:55:16,950
S4: Iran Alive Ministries that use satellite broadcasting and the internet

1075
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:20,230
S4: to reach Iranians with the gospel that their channel is

1076
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:23,590
S4: the most watched Christian channel in Iran with over 7

1077
00:55:23,590 --> 00:55:28,770
S4: million daily viewers. Now, you mentioned biblical prophecy being fulfilled

1078
00:55:28,770 --> 00:55:32,810
S4: from your vantage point, how do you see this current,

1079
00:55:32,850 --> 00:55:37,049
S4: the current state in Iran fitting into biblical prophecy?

1080
00:55:37,770 --> 00:55:42,570
S17: Oh, definitely. Yes, it has been gradually the last 47 years.

1081
00:55:42,570 --> 00:55:46,970
S17: If you go to Jeremiah 49, verses 34, and on

1082
00:55:47,010 --> 00:55:51,009
S17: until the end of the chapter, which is 4939. If

1083
00:55:51,050 --> 00:55:54,610
S17: you look at it and read it carefully and compare

1084
00:55:54,610 --> 00:55:57,770
S17: it to what's happened in Iran and what's happening in Iran,

1085
00:55:57,770 --> 00:56:01,730
S17: you see, you see that biblical prophecies have been and

1086
00:56:02,010 --> 00:56:05,490
S17: are being fulfilled. By the way, in my book, Iran's

1087
00:56:05,489 --> 00:56:10,410
S17: Great Awakening. I have several chapters studying those prophecies, Iran's

1088
00:56:10,410 --> 00:56:14,609
S17: Great Awakening. So you're looking at that prophecy. This is

1089
00:56:14,650 --> 00:56:17,530
S17: the this is the core. This is the main event

1090
00:56:17,530 --> 00:56:20,169
S17: in Jeremiah 4934 and on.

1091
00:56:20,210 --> 00:56:25,370
S6: Yeah, the breaking of the bow. It's fascinating. And even historically,

1092
00:56:25,370 --> 00:56:30,230
S6: the Iranian people were great archers and that's prophesied way back.

1093
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:32,630
S6: And now you look at the. You know, doctor Mark

1094
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:35,469
S6: Hitchcock has been speaking a lot on this lately. I

1095
00:56:35,469 --> 00:56:39,310
S6: was talking to Michael about this and he says, Doc

1096
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:45,350
S6: Hitchcock's one of the real great interpreters of these prophecies.

1097
00:56:45,830 --> 00:56:51,189
S6: It is almost eerie, is not the right word. It's unbelievable.

1098
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:54,230
S6: It's hard to get your brain around how what we

1099
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:59,430
S6: see in not only Jeremiah 49, but Ezekiel 38 and 39, Hermas,

1100
00:56:59,870 --> 00:57:05,989
S6: there is a uprising of of followers of Jesus. We

1101
00:57:06,030 --> 00:57:10,790
S6: don't know exactly about what is prophesied fully. It'll be

1102
00:57:10,790 --> 00:57:14,350
S6: clear in hindsight, but the I will make Iran or

1103
00:57:14,350 --> 00:57:18,350
S6: Islam my throne and the breaking of the bow, meaning

1104
00:57:18,350 --> 00:57:23,110
S6: the destruction of this powerhouse of a country with weapons galore.

1105
00:57:23,630 --> 00:57:27,170
S6: It is amazing to witness this her most. You never.

1106
00:57:27,650 --> 00:57:30,490
S6: You couldn't have imagined. This has got to be like

1107
00:57:30,490 --> 00:57:33,570
S6: Christmas every day for you right now. In some ways

1108
00:57:33,570 --> 00:57:34,770
S6: looking at prophecy.

1109
00:57:35,690 --> 00:57:39,890
S17: Uh, it it is, but you know, uh, we, the

1110
00:57:39,890 --> 00:57:42,770
S17: Lord has called us to weep with those who mourn. Yes.

1111
00:57:42,810 --> 00:57:45,730
S17: And to laugh with those who are rejoicing. So that

1112
00:57:45,730 --> 00:57:48,810
S17: has been my story of my life the last few months.

1113
00:57:48,850 --> 00:57:52,930
S17: The last couple of months, yeah. 40,000 young Iranians were killed.

1114
00:57:52,930 --> 00:57:57,770
S17: We had daily broadcasts, uh, mourning with people, giving them

1115
00:57:57,770 --> 00:58:02,170
S17: hope and solid hope, as you mentioned. Jeremiah 4938. He says,

1116
00:58:02,170 --> 00:58:04,850
S17: I will set my throne in Iran, which is a

1117
00:58:04,850 --> 00:58:07,930
S17: very positive thing. And then the following verse, he says,

1118
00:58:07,930 --> 00:58:11,570
S17: I will bless Iran. I will prosper Iran. So, uh,

1119
00:58:11,610 --> 00:58:14,850
S17: but at the same time, as you mentioned, I'm, you know,

1120
00:58:14,890 --> 00:58:18,050
S17: one eye I'm crying and one eye I'm laughing. Why?

1121
00:58:18,090 --> 00:58:22,650
S17: Because people are being getting saved. And every salvation we

1122
00:58:22,650 --> 00:58:25,830
S17: know there is a party in heaven for one salvation.

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S17: So we are rejoicing at the same time. For so

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S17: many Muslims are coming to Christ. They Iranians have looked

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S17: at Islam. They experienced Islam for 40 some years, and

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00:58:37,630 --> 00:58:40,590
S17: now they're saying the problem is not with the government.

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00:58:40,590 --> 00:58:43,390
S17: The problem is with Islam. Islam is the root of

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S17: our problems and we need to get rid of it.

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S17: So Islam has experienced its greatest defeat in history. They

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00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:52,550
S17: have looked at brutality of the government and they say,

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00:58:52,550 --> 00:58:55,390
S17: I'm done with Islam. What else is out there? That's

1132
00:58:55,390 --> 00:59:00,390
S17: why Iran has the fastest growing evangelical population in the world.

1133
00:59:00,630 --> 00:59:04,550
S17: That's why thousands of them contact us every month, and

1134
00:59:04,550 --> 00:59:07,990
S17: we lead them to Christ because they're already done with Islam,

1135
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:11,070
S17: and they're open to the message, the love of Christ.

1136
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:16,350
S17: It's such a contrast. Whatever Islam is not Jesus is. Yeah.

1137
00:59:16,350 --> 00:59:22,070
S17: So when they reject that hatred, violence, revenge, they come

1138
00:59:22,170 --> 00:59:27,370
S17: to Christ. Love, forgiveness, and peace and joy. Yeah. So

1139
00:59:27,370 --> 00:59:29,570
S17: Jesus is very attractive to Iranians.

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00:59:30,370 --> 00:59:33,170
S6: Really quickly here. Give us a fresh story that's on

1141
00:59:33,170 --> 00:59:36,370
S6: your heart that you've heard or you've spoken with. Give

1142
00:59:36,370 --> 00:59:39,210
S6: us a fresh story that really captures what God is

1143
00:59:39,210 --> 00:59:41,610
S6: doing there right now in the middle of this war.

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00:59:42,530 --> 00:59:44,650
S17: Well, to confirm what I just said, I want to

1145
00:59:44,650 --> 00:59:51,450
S17: share this story. You know, 40,000 people killed, that's 40,000 families.

1146
00:59:51,650 --> 00:59:55,170
S17: And just the last two months, another layer of devout

1147
00:59:55,170 --> 00:59:58,970
S17: Muslims have are done with Islam. They're open to the gospel.

1148
00:59:59,530 --> 01:00:02,410
S17: One of our people, one of our leaders inside Iran,

1149
01:00:02,410 --> 01:00:05,650
S17: told me this. He said, I came to Christ a

1150
01:00:05,650 --> 01:00:10,010
S17: few years ago. My family were so devout Muslims, they

1151
01:00:10,010 --> 01:00:13,370
S17: were against me. They would not want to listen to me.

1152
01:00:13,370 --> 01:00:17,610
S17: Many of them just communicated with me. They don't want

1153
01:00:17,610 --> 01:00:21,740
S17: to even talk to me, especially, he said, my uncle

1154
01:00:21,740 --> 01:00:25,860
S17: was so against me six months ago. My uncle told me,

1155
01:00:25,860 --> 01:00:28,740
S17: I am going to turn you in. I'm going to

1156
01:00:28,740 --> 01:00:31,860
S17: call the government and say he has become an infidel.

1157
01:00:31,900 --> 01:00:35,060
S17: He has become. He is worthy of death. He said,

1158
01:00:35,060 --> 01:00:37,100
S17: I'm going to call you. Call and they're going to

1159
01:00:37,100 --> 01:00:39,580
S17: come and get you. He said, that was six months ago.

1160
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S17: My uncle. And then he says, can you believe it?

1161
01:00:43,460 --> 01:00:48,020
S17: Last night my uncle called me and says, please tell

1162
01:00:48,020 --> 01:00:52,820
S17: me about Jesus. That's what's happening. The turning hearts from

1163
01:00:52,820 --> 01:00:57,540
S17: Islam towards Jesus. This is a really hard times in Iran,

1164
01:00:57,540 --> 01:01:01,140
S17: but at the same time, this is harvest time. Souls

1165
01:01:01,140 --> 01:01:03,860
S17: are ready in Iran and God has given us a

1166
01:01:03,860 --> 01:01:06,660
S17: 24 over seven channel. We go over the heads of

1167
01:01:06,660 --> 01:01:10,860
S17: the mullahs into people's homes, tell them about Jesus exactly

1168
01:01:10,860 --> 01:01:13,340
S17: the way you just did. I was watching, I was

1169
01:01:13,340 --> 01:01:16,740
S17: listening to you, and I was so touched by the

1170
01:01:16,740 --> 01:01:21,040
S17: way you shared the gospel Lovingly but very clear. That's

1171
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,680
S17: what we do on our channel and we see thousands

1172
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,360
S17: coming to Christ every month.

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S4: Oh, Doctor Sherry from Iran live at ministries. If you

1174
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:35,120
S4: want more, just text live to (800) 555-7898. For more on

1175
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:40,600
S4: this ministry, just text alive to (800) 555-7898.

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S6: Oh, what great news. Pray for Iran.

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S1: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to Carl

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S1: and Cru.

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S6: Jesus said it. I am the way and the truth

1180
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S6: and the life. No man comes to the father but

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01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,360
S6: through me. He was very clear. I'm going somewhere. I'm

1182
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,000
S6: preparing a place for you, and I will come again

1183
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,560
S6: if those aren't true. And if we can't take them

1184
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,240
S6: to the bank, we're like the Apostle Paul says. We're

1185
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,640
S6: to be pitied more than any man. But didn't. Pilate

1186
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,440
S6: asks the right question. Guys, check this out. This is

1187
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S6: from John 1838. I'll set it up with this. You

1188
01:02:17,620 --> 01:02:20,340
S6: got Jesus making claims of his kingship, and you've got

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S6: Jewish leaders saying he's seditious. He's undermining everything that we

1190
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S6: are as a culture. And Pilate says, what is truth?

1191
01:02:31,300 --> 01:02:33,700
S6: I think he actually wants to know what the truth was.

1192
01:02:33,700 --> 01:02:36,540
S6: What did he say? Andy Bannister Pilate asked a good question,

1193
01:02:36,540 --> 01:02:37,060
S6: didn't he?

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01:02:37,260 --> 01:02:40,180
S18: Yes. I think it's an excellent question. Yeah. Arguably, it's

1195
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S18: one of the most important questions we can ask. Right.

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01:02:42,180 --> 01:02:44,860
S18: What is truth? I mean, to go, boy, where do

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01:02:44,860 --> 01:02:46,820
S18: you go from there? What a great starting point. So

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S18: Pilate asked the right question. Shame. I don't think he

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S18: hung around long enough to wait for the answer, though.

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S18: I would say.

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S3: Yeah.

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01:02:52,060 --> 01:02:55,020
S4: Doctor Andy Bannister guessed right. Now he's the director of Solace.

1203
01:02:55,020 --> 01:02:58,340
S4: He speaks and teaches regularly throughout the UK, Europe, Canada

1204
01:02:58,580 --> 01:03:02,140
S4: and the US, addressing both Christians and those of all

1205
01:03:02,140 --> 01:03:06,580
S4: faiths on issues relating to faith, culture, politics and society.

1206
01:03:06,620 --> 01:03:08,820
S4: You know, when it comes to the claim of the

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01:03:08,820 --> 01:03:13,300
S4: Christian that Jesus is the way, we are also saying

1208
01:03:13,300 --> 01:03:17,200
S4: that every other way is false, which to many people,

1209
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,880
S4: and this is the pushback that I'm sure you hear often,

1210
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:24,280
S4: isn't Christianity. Arrogant? Isn't it arrogant of us to claim

1211
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,560
S4: that not just that we believe it, that but that

1212
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S4: it's true and that everything else is false?

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01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,680
S18: Well, I'd say a couple of things there, Ali, kind

1214
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,320
S18: of straight away. The first thing is that with respect

1215
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:36,800
S18: and we need to be careful not to try and

1216
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,280
S18: score cheap points with this one. But the point is,

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01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:43,280
S18: truth claims are by their very nature exclusive. So if

1218
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,720
S18: I say two plus two is four, you could turn

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01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,440
S18: around and go, dude, you're so arrogant. I think it's nine, man,

1220
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,080
S18: how dare you tell me you're crazy Brits with your

1221
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,880
S18: exclusive mathematics. If I say, hey, you know the current

1222
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,919
S18: president of the USA is Donald Trump, that rules out,

1223
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,440
S18: you know, 300 million other Americans who are not the

1224
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,040
S18: current president of the USA. And the list goes on.

1225
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:05,000
S18: And to anyone who gets nervous about exclusive truth claims,

1226
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,320
S18: I can guarantee that no matter how relative you want

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S18: to be, if you're sitting on an airplane about to

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01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,800
S18: take off from an airport and the pilot comes over

1229
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,260
S18: the tannoy and she announces and says, you know what?

1230
01:04:15,260 --> 01:04:17,540
S18: I don't believe in exclusive truth. So once we're at

1231
01:04:17,540 --> 01:04:20,660
S18: cruising altitude, anyone you like can come and press buttons

1232
01:04:20,660 --> 01:04:22,860
S18: up here, because I don't think I've got all the answers.

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01:04:23,020 --> 01:04:25,220
S18: I don't think you'd hang around and go, what an

1234
01:04:25,220 --> 01:04:29,140
S18: amazingly progressive pilot. You'd be running for the emergency exits.

1235
01:04:29,300 --> 01:04:33,220
S18: Because we know instinctively, actually deep down, that truth, by

1236
01:04:33,220 --> 01:04:37,580
S18: its nature, is exclusive and truth matters. Often life depends

1237
01:04:37,580 --> 01:04:39,740
S18: on on truth. It's not just a game.

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01:04:40,060 --> 01:04:43,020
S6: How do you land on absolute truth? When I ask

1239
01:04:43,020 --> 01:04:46,660
S6: grock about three hours ago, is gravity.

1240
01:04:46,740 --> 01:04:48,020
S18: A big mistake right away? Yeah.

1241
01:04:48,380 --> 01:04:51,660
S6: No, but I'm playing with this one because I said,

1242
01:04:51,660 --> 01:04:55,260
S6: is gravity. Is gravity an absolute truth? And this is

1243
01:04:55,260 --> 01:04:56,740
S6: what it came back to. It came back to the

1244
01:04:56,740 --> 01:05:00,300
S6: definition of absolute truth. It said, well, if it's independent

1245
01:05:00,300 --> 01:05:03,660
S6: of context, perception or belief, it would not be truth

1246
01:05:03,660 --> 01:05:05,780
S6: to some. How do you even argue with that? Andy?

1247
01:05:05,780 --> 01:05:06,900
S6: I'm being real here.

1248
01:05:07,140 --> 01:05:08,980
S18: Well, I'd say it's it just shows the danger of

1249
01:05:08,980 --> 01:05:11,060
S18: an AI because of course, an AI doesn't have any

1250
01:05:11,060 --> 01:05:13,480
S18: understanding of truth in the first place. AI is just

1251
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:17,520
S18: following its programming and it was programmed by flawed human beings. Yeah,

1252
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:19,400
S18: I think so. I think if you go right back

1253
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,520
S18: to the ancients, I mean Plato, you know, that classic

1254
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:24,800
S18: Greek philosopher is quite interesting. He gave to me one

1255
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:27,840
S18: of the greatest definitions of truth that stood for, you know,

1256
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,600
S18: 4000 years, more or less. He said, you know, among

1257
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,640
S18: the things that make truth true and real truth is

1258
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:36,400
S18: external to us. So it doesn't matter what you call

1259
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:40,080
S18: personally feel about it to go, it's external to you.

1260
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:43,160
S18: So you may not like the fact that there's a

1261
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:44,840
S18: traffic jam on the highway in front of you, but

1262
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:46,680
S18: closing your eyes and wishing isn't going to make it

1263
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:50,600
S18: go away. Truth is universal. So you know something is

1264
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:54,280
S18: true here in the UK. It's true in the USA.

1265
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:58,280
S18: It's true globally. So the truth by its very nature is,

1266
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:02,120
S18: is true everywhere. Two plus two is four wherever you go.

1267
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:06,200
S18: And then truth is also true throughout time. It's always

1268
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,200
S18: been the case that two plus two is four. It

1269
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:11,500
S18: will always be the case that two plus two is four.

1270
01:06:11,500 --> 01:06:14,380
S18: And it's interesting you ask that question about gravity. If

1271
01:06:14,380 --> 01:06:16,300
S18: grok was a human being, I would say so. You

1272
01:06:16,300 --> 01:06:18,540
S18: do think it's possible that you'll wake up tomorrow morning, grok,

1273
01:06:18,540 --> 01:06:21,500
S18: and be floating up near the ceiling somewhere, because gravity

1274
01:06:21,500 --> 01:06:24,540
S18: is just a someone's perception. You know, gravity by its

1275
01:06:24,540 --> 01:06:26,940
S18: very nature, is external to us. We can't do anything

1276
01:06:26,940 --> 01:06:28,740
S18: about it. We're kind of stuck with it. And if

1277
01:06:28,780 --> 01:06:31,060
S18: you if you don't believe that, then perhaps don't take

1278
01:06:31,060 --> 01:06:33,500
S18: up skydiving as a hobby doctor.

1279
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S4: Andy Bannister, our guest right now. Now, you've written this

1280
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S4: that I think is fascinating, that sometimes we can slip

1281
01:06:40,340 --> 01:06:44,220
S4: from the true claim that all people have equal value

1282
01:06:44,220 --> 01:06:48,340
S4: to the false claim that all ideas have equal merit.

1283
01:06:48,340 --> 01:06:50,380
S4: And I think that this is a good one to

1284
01:06:50,420 --> 01:06:53,020
S4: kind of dive into a little bit more, because sometimes

1285
01:06:53,020 --> 01:06:57,340
S4: it feels dishonoring to people to suggest that all ideas

1286
01:06:57,340 --> 01:07:00,460
S4: are not equal, even though all people have equal merit.

1287
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S4: Speak to that a little bit.

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S18: That's the crucial thing, Ali, in our age right now,

1289
01:07:03,740 --> 01:07:05,900
S18: we've merged those two things. So when you say you

1290
01:07:05,900 --> 01:07:08,820
S18: disagree with someone that can be taken as as you

1291
01:07:08,860 --> 01:07:10,880
S18: hate them in some way. But that's such a dangerous

1292
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:14,200
S18: slope to go on. First thing, it doesn't respect the person.

1293
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,000
S18: You know, if you and I were sitting down over a,

1294
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,800
S18: you know, for a coffee somewhere and I happened to say, uh,

1295
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:20,680
S18: you know, come out with something that's not true. Perhaps

1296
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,160
S18: as a Brit, I make some comment about American politics,

1297
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,080
S18: that you look at me and you go, classic, a

1298
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:27,320
S18: classic Brit. You've got it wrong. If you just pat

1299
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:29,040
S18: me on the head and go, no, that's okay. That's

1300
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,560
S18: true for you. I won't offend you. Actually, that's treating

1301
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,200
S18: me like an infant. Actually it's going. Andy is so

1302
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:38,240
S18: immature and so unsophisticated and so hopeless. I don't challenge

1303
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,800
S18: his wrong idea because he might get upset. That's actually

1304
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:44,600
S18: infantilised me. He hasn't respected me. Respecting me is going. Hey, Andy,

1305
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:46,240
S18: let me just stop you for a moment. What you've

1306
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,880
S18: said there. I appreciate why you might think it, but

1307
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,080
S18: it's not actually correct. Can I can I show you

1308
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,440
S18: why now? Sure. You can do it in a hateful way.

1309
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,520
S18: You can dig me around the head and go, you're mad.

1310
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,000
S18: That's not helpful. But you can correct me in a

1311
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,400
S18: way that's that's loving and engaging and treats me as

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01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,720
S18: an adult. So that's the first thing we actually infantilize

1313
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:06,720
S18: people if we don't separate those two things. And then

1314
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:10,340
S18: the other problem I think you run into there as well,

1315
01:08:10,340 --> 01:08:13,620
S18: is we're back to the to the universal nature of truth.

1316
01:08:13,660 --> 01:08:17,580
S18: We do all kinds of damage to society. If we

1317
01:08:17,620 --> 01:08:19,660
S18: don't have a way of figuring out what's right and

1318
01:08:19,660 --> 01:08:21,900
S18: wrong and what's true and what isn't true. I mean,

1319
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S18: just take some of the big battles historically of our age.

1320
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S18: I was in America kind of recently, had spent three

1321
01:08:27,300 --> 01:08:29,620
S18: months over there, and one of my highlights was being

1322
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S18: in Washington and standing on the steps of the Lincoln

1323
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S18: Memorial where, uh, you know, Martin Luther King gave that

1324
01:08:35,020 --> 01:08:38,140
S18: amazing I have a dream speech. Yeah. And, you know,

1325
01:08:38,180 --> 01:08:40,339
S18: you look back to those great moments in American history

1326
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S18: where where justice has rolled forward. What does it mean

1327
01:08:43,740 --> 01:08:45,700
S18: if it turns around going, well, you can't challenge someone

1328
01:08:45,700 --> 01:08:47,860
S18: in injustice because we might offend them. Maybe it's not

1329
01:08:47,860 --> 01:08:49,700
S18: the case that all people are born equal. You know,

1330
01:08:49,740 --> 01:08:52,500
S18: if you believe in slavery and racism, you know that's okay.

1331
01:08:52,540 --> 01:08:54,219
S18: We'll just pat you on the head and let you be.

1332
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S18: I think that's a devastating place to end up. I

1333
01:08:57,420 --> 01:09:00,860
S18: think actually, things like justice and human rights, as well

1334
01:09:00,860 --> 01:09:04,260
S18: as the bigger questions of faith and God and spirituality

1335
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S18: and Jesus and so forth, All those things collapse utterly

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S18: if we forget how to talk about truth, even if

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S18: some of those conversations aren't always easy ones.

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S3: Yeah.

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S6: Andy Bannister, that's a good bump of the cup because

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S6: oftentimes angry evangelicals, uh, dominate the landscape in their, their

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S6: willingness to embrace what is real for someone else is

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S6: oftentimes wanting. And that's a great challenge, Andi, I love that.

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S6: Love your heart there. Coming up here in a moment.

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S6: We live in a world, Andy, that each man is

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S6: doing what seems right in their own eyes. It's the

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S6: absence of truth. It's very subjective. Relative. How do we

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S6: witness in a world without absolute truth? More with Andy

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S6: Bannister straight ahead.

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S1: You're listening to Carl and Cru on Moody Radio.

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S6: Andy Bannister, our guest from the other side of the pond.

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S6: Good to have you, Andy. Uh, the last words in

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S6: the book of judges are unnerving. Everyone did what was

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S6: right in his own eyes. My question revolves around moral relativism.

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S6: If all morality is relative to the person at hand,

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S6: doesn't this lead to sexual relativism? Even, uh, raising children? Relativism, uh,

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S6: death relativism. Doesn't it lead to each man does what

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S6: is right in almost any and everything. Andy.

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S18: It does call, but with one just minor thing I would,

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S18: I would add that I found interesting over the years.

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S18: Most people I've met who are moral relativists and we

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S18: live in a very relativistic culture. You've summed it up well,

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S18: but no one is a moral relativist in the sense

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S18: that they're willing for people to be relativistic to them.

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S18: Most people are moral relativists. They want the freedom to

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S18: do what they want, but they want other people to

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S18: respect them. I remember once talking to a to a

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S18: student years ago who was a moral relativist, and we're

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S18: having quite a sort of frustrating conversation. And then this

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S18: light bulb moment occurred to me. She was banging on

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S18: about there's no moral values, everything is personal and so forth.

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S18: So I leant across mid-conversation and just picked up her

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S18: phone and put it in my pocket and she said,

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S18: what are you doing? I said, oh, I've stolen your phone.

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S18: Carry on. You were saying, she's like, well, I want

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S18: my phone back. I went, no, no, no, you've just

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S18: told me that morals are relative and you've convinced me.

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S18: So I think stealing phones is okay. It's okay for me.

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S18: Might not be okay for you, but it's okay for me.

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S18: It's my phone now. So you were saying? Finally she

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S18: starts banging the table, saying, give me my phone back.

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S18: I went, I'll give you your phone back. When you

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S18: concede that some morals may be more than relativistic. And

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S18: she grinned and went, yeah, okay. Fair point. Can I

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S18: have my phone?

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S3: Give me my.

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S18: Phone. So yeah, moral relativism works if people abide by

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S18: your rules. And I always think that inconsistency is, is interesting.

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S18: So if you're listening to this and you've got friends,

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S18: family members, you know, who are in this position, just

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S18: turn the tables gently and go, are you genuinely willing

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S18: to let other people behave to you entirely as they like?

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S18: I don't think you are. So there's a hypocrisy issue

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S18: going on here. So it's not quite. Society is perhaps

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S18: not quite as relativistic as we might first think at times.

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S4: Doctor Andy Bannister, our guest right now. I love that question.

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S4: I know you're big on asking questions in terms of

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S4: engaging in these conversations. Give us some more suggestions for

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S4: how to nudge someone lovingly toward at least an openness

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S4: to the idea that there is an absolute truth, that

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S4: there is moral, absolute.

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S18: I think one of the first things I would say

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S18: when you're talking to someone about this, the word morality,

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S18: I think, sometimes causes a problem because if you're dealing

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S18: with somebody, as there are many in our culture who

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S18: are suspicious about religion, sometimes in their mind, morality can

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S18: sort of mean this very dry, desiccated, almost, almost pharisaism.

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S18: You know, they've got this idea that religious people like

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S18: to sit up there looking down at others and intoning

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S18: these other things you should do, and these are things

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S18: you shouldn't do. And they react. And I'm sympathetic in

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S18: that because Jesus had a few words to say for

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S18: the Pharisees. So a great question to ask somebody might be, hey,

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S18: what do you think morality is? What do you mean

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S18: by morality? What is it we're talking about? Because that's,

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S18: I think sets up, you know, if they give you

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S18: that kind of sort of language back to say, well,

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S18: you know what? Jesus talked a lot about the good life,

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S18: but I don't think he used those that language. I

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S18: think what I find attractive about Jesus, you know, his

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S18: whole message was God wants the very best for us.

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S18: He wants us to be in relationship with him. He

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S18: wants us to love him and love each other. That

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S18: was the two commands Jesus reduced the law to, and

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S18: everything flows out of that. And so certainly for Christian ethics,

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S18: Christian ethics, and Christian morality, I think when you read

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S18: the New Testament, really should be an attitude of gratitude.

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S18: It flows out of. Because what God has done for

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S18: us in Christ therefore lived differently. You could argue that's

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S18: a summary of all Paul's teaching on ethics, frankly. And

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S18: if that's what ethics is, it looks great when it

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S18: gets disconnected from Jesus, and that the life that God

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S18: intends for us to have and becomes just dry, desiccated commandments.

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S18: No wonder it looks problematic and no longer. No wonder

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S18: why people then react against it as people reacted to

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S18: the Pharisees. But I think the way into that conversation

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S18: is to say to your friend, hey, when you say morality,

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S18: what do you mean by that? What does that word

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S18: mean to you? Because I think most people would see

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S18: it negatively, not positively. And so you've got to start

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S18: a few steps back. Does that kind of make sense?

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S3: Yes. That's excellent.

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S6: That's really good. Andy Bannister, our guest right now. Okay.

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S6: So I'm going with this idea and I think you're

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S6: right on. Everybody seeks the good life, whatever that may

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S6: look like if that's the case. Andy, I've been so intrigued.

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S6: I'm most intrigued with Paul before Agrippa. Here's a man

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S6: that's being called down on his mission. And what he

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S6: does is he shares his story. And it must have

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S6: been it was three minutes and 10s at reading pace

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S6: to tell his story. Yeah. And it's so rattled. Agrippa,

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S6: he says, do you think you're going to convert me

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S6: in such a short time? It isn't our story. that

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S6: truth of the good life in us isn't that maybe

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S6: one of the best points of argumentation from an apologetic.

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S6: That's effective?

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S18: Totally. I would say there are two components to it

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S18: to a really powerful presentation of the gospel, an apologetic

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S18: if you want to use the technical language. Carl. I

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S18: think the first is our story and I'll say briefly

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S18: why in a second. But then coupled with that is

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S18: why people should take our story seriously. Because if you

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S18: just tell your story, everyone's got a story. Our Buddhist

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S18: friends have a story. Our Muslim friends have a story.

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S18: If you just have a story, people need to know

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S18: why I should take it seriously. So that is important.

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S18: But the story piece is crucial because I think we're

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S18: in a time increasingly where more and more, especially younger

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S18: people are not asking the question so much. Is Christianity true?

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S18: That comes later. They're asking the question, does it matter?

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S18: Does it make a difference? And your story can answer

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S18: that question. And by the way, on the morality piece,

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S18: I think it's a very powerful approach. If rather than

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01:15:54,660 --> 01:15:56,660
S18: sort of bang on about this is right and this

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S18: is wrong and starting there. What about backing up and saying, look,

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S18: the reason I follow Jesus is, look, I'm not a

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S18: good person. I know the kind of person I am. Yes.

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S18: And I'm hugely grateful for what God did for me

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S18: in coming the person of Jesus while I was still

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S18: a scumbag, while I was still a rotter. While I

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S18: was still God's enemies. You're paraphrasing Romans five, verse eight,

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S18: by the way here and to go. I'm so grateful

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S18: that God welcomed me into his family and forgave me

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S18: in Christ while I was not a good person. And

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S18: you know what? I'm still not a good person. I'm

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S18: praise God, a better person because of God's work transforming me.

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S18: But there are days when you know I'm still a

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S18: bit of a mess. But actually what I love about

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S18: being a Christian is God doesn't say, be a better person,

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S18: sort your life out, but forgives you and takes the initiative.

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S18: And then through the spirit in you gives you the

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S18: power to begin changing and living differently. And that's a

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S18: very different story. Story of morality. I think people think

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S18: the church is sitting there, do this and don't do

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S18: the other thing. I think that's a caricature of the gospel. Rather,

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S18: the gospel says, no, here is the power to change

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01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:00,920
S18: and the power to live differently, beginning with becoming a

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S18: new creation in and through Jesus.

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S4: Doctor Andy Bannister, our guest right now, I want to

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S4: point you to a resource. He's edited and contributed a

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S4: chapter to a book called Have You Ever Wondered Finding

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01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:16,360
S4: the everyday clues to meaning, purpose, and Spirituality. Just text

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01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:25,880
S4: wonder to 800 555 7898. Text wonder to 800 555 7898.

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S6: I don't want to let him go. Andy, hold on

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01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,640
S6: here a second. I think there's a lot of people,

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01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,880
S6: many tens of thousands listening across North America right now,

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01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:39,679
S6: maybe many more. They have an incredible heart to see.

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S6: And this is an epidemic across America, as I'm sure

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S6: it is in Europe. A lot of kids were raised

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S6: in church, but they were never in Christ. Yeah. How

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01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:51,860
S6: in the world do we break through that Relativism that

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S6: those kids have embraced. In a word, in a phrase,

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S6: in a paragraph. What do you say, Andy?

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S18: Well, since Ali Ali very kindly mentioned the book, the

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01:18:01,220 --> 01:18:03,099
S18: approach that we take in that book is to start

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S18: with the things that those kids care about. This, by

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01:18:06,020 --> 01:18:07,979
S18: the way, is what Paul does in acts 17. He

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01:18:07,979 --> 01:18:11,220
S18: starts with what his audience care about there in Athens.

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01:18:11,260 --> 01:18:12,860
S18: Start with what they care about. And most young people

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S18: I meet are passionate about things like justice. They're passionate

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S18: about things like human rights. And that's a great place

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01:18:19,140 --> 01:18:22,020
S18: to start with those things that they already care about,

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S18: and then be gently saying, look, all those things that

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S18: you matter about, those things that you're animated about, they

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S18: only make sense. They only work if human life has value,

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S18: if human beings genuinely have dignity and value and worth,

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S18: if we are nothing more than a collection of atoms,

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S18: then justice goes out the window. Human rights is just

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S18: a ludicrous idea. It's meaningless. On the other hand, if

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01:18:44,700 --> 01:18:47,780
S18: the Christian story is true that we were created in

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S18: God's image, that God demonstrates our value by dying for

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S18: us in Christ. Then yeah, there are questions that need answering.

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S18: But here's the good news that gives a foundation for

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S18: all the things you care about. Justice. Yes matters. Racism

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01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:04,240
S18: is wrong. Human rights is really important. But those things

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01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:07,360
S18: only matter if Christianity is true. So try and find

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S18: something in where your friends, your son, your daughter, your grandchild,

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01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:14,440
S18: whoever it is you care about, try and find something

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S18: where they are actually already camped without realizing it on

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S18: part of the Christian story. And effectively, you're you're saying

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S18: to them, come on home, you're kind of halfway there.

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01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:25,639
S18: I know, yes, you've got frustrations and questions. Bring those.

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01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:27,679
S18: The church is a place for those things. But come

1543
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:29,719
S18: on back to where those things you already care about

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01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,760
S18: actually best makes sense. That's how I often start with

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01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:34,080
S18: young adults and young people.

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S6: That's powerhouse. Andy Bannister, our guest here guys. And again, Ali,

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01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:39,880
S6: we got a link don't we? And this is a

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S6: great resource.

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S4: Just text wonder to (800) 555-7898. Wonder to 800 555 7898.