WEBVTT - Franchise Worst Giants Loss: Do You Trust Buster to Turn Things Around? 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:04.130 Yo, dirty work on the air. 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:08.610 Adam Copeland off today because we got counter-programming going on. 0:00:08.970 --> 0:00:12.130 If you're looking for a little 49ers pregame action, I 0:00:12.150 --> 0:00:16.250 got you covered. It's Adam Copeland, John Dickinson on KSFO 0:00:16.670 --> 0:00:18.290 right now, live. 0:00:18.270 --> 0:00:19.230 From Tim's apartment. 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:23.080 But because there's a Giants game going on tonight, me 0:00:23.420 --> 0:00:26.619 and the one and only Rick Tittle got you until 0:00:26.620 --> 0:00:29.580 545 before the Giants take on the Arizona Diamondbacks. 0:00:29.660 --> 0:00:31.660 Rick, what's going on, my man? Well, I have a 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:33.780 little announcement to make, Derek. What's that, Rick? 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:36.760 I've been inspired by a Turkish basketball player. I've changed 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:39.590 my name to Rick Tittle Freedom, and I would like 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:40.950 to be called that from now on. 0:00:42.470 --> 0:00:45.090 So respect me. Okay, I will do that the rest 0:00:45.229 --> 0:00:47.900 of the show. Actually, I have another announcement. Oh, two. 0:00:48.060 --> 0:00:49.620 I've changed it again. I want you to call me. 0:00:49.620 --> 0:00:51.900 That quickly? I want you to call me Jan. Just 0:00:51.940 --> 0:00:53.620 Jan the rest of the time? Jan 6th. 0:00:54.100 --> 0:00:54.480 Oh, gotcha. 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:56.800 Okay. That's a good second. 0:00:57.150 --> 0:00:59.610 Actually, I was either going to do that or after 0:00:59.650 --> 0:01:01.530 a certain baseball player, I was going to be Dave 0:01:01.630 --> 0:01:02.690 Maga Den. 0:01:04.610 --> 0:01:06.270 All right, I'll let you talk now. Yeah, can I 0:01:06.290 --> 0:01:07.990 just go with Jan 6th the rest of the show? 0:01:08.069 --> 0:01:09.130 Is that fine? Yeah. So Mr. 0:01:09.190 --> 0:01:09.250 6th. 0:01:10.750 --> 0:01:13.390 Uh, as, I mean, you and I grew up diehard 0:01:13.450 --> 0:01:14.070 Raider fans. 0:01:14.130 --> 0:01:14.410 Yeah. 0:01:14.670 --> 0:01:16.890 And it's only right that we get, we do the 0:01:16.970 --> 0:01:20.260 Raider perspective. You know, Copes and JD are doing a 0:01:20.300 --> 0:01:22.700 Niner pregame. Why don't we do a Raider pregame for 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:25.080 those fans that are still longing for the Oakland Raiders? 0:01:25.140 --> 0:01:27.970 I think the flamethrower will melt if we talk silver 0:01:28.110 --> 0:01:28.310 and black. 0:01:28.330 --> 0:01:29.639 Oh, come on, man. Did you not just hear me? 0:01:29.670 --> 0:01:32.430 They're doing the show from Tim's apartment. This thing's over. 0:01:33.910 --> 0:01:36.250 It's the state of radio. That sounds like the Don 0:01:36.290 --> 0:01:37.690 Rickles thing. Your life is over. 0:01:37.730 --> 0:01:41.490 Well, yeah, from dirty work. So how you been, Ricky? 0:01:41.709 --> 0:01:44.170 What is tickling your fancy in sports these days? Well, 0:01:44.230 --> 0:01:47.190 I'm super excited that the Premier League has started again. 0:01:47.670 --> 0:01:49.640 And my team Spurs got off to a bad start. 0:01:49.660 --> 0:01:50.600 That's the Premier League, Rick. 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:51.880 Premier League. Yeah, what did I say? 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:54.640 No, you got Premier League of the Prem. I know 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:56.460 more about soccer than you do, which I did, which 0:01:56.500 --> 0:01:59.030 I do not. You prove to everybody when we had 0:01:59.050 --> 0:02:00.850 you on during the World Cup. You you definitely know 0:02:00.870 --> 0:02:01.230 your stuff. 0:02:01.390 --> 0:02:01.610 Yeah. 0:02:01.830 --> 0:02:03.730 When I wrote for a newspaper and I worked it. 0:02:03.750 --> 0:02:03.910 Yeah. 0:02:04.210 --> 0:02:04.650 But whatever. 0:02:04.990 --> 0:02:07.380 It's they they beat. They were in the League Cup. 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.100 They beat Charlton yesterday. They got Marmush over the line. 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:11.960 And so I'm feeling a little bit better. No one 0:02:11.980 --> 0:02:12.720 knows what I'm talking about. 0:02:13.100 --> 0:02:15.010 It's all good. A couple people. Did you watch the 0:02:15.110 --> 0:02:17.090 Giants collapse yesterday? You know what? 0:02:17.389 --> 0:02:20.450 I felt really bad. I was actually listening. I was 0:02:20.530 --> 0:02:22.390 in the, where was I? I was in the car, 0:02:22.410 --> 0:02:25.390 but I was listening to John and Dave on the flamethrower. 0:02:26.470 --> 0:02:31.170 And when Drew, the little guy from Tennessee. 0:02:32.070 --> 0:02:33.070 Oh, Drew Gilbert. Thank you. 0:02:33.130 --> 0:02:35.829 Drew Gilbert hit that ball off the wall, almost a 0:02:35.850 --> 0:02:36.250 grand slam. 0:02:36.270 --> 0:02:37.170 I thought it was over too, yeah. 0:02:37.290 --> 0:02:38.970 Nine to three. And I'm like, wow, they're going to 0:02:39.010 --> 0:02:42.660 finally have their first sweep. And it was just, it 0:02:42.700 --> 0:02:45.470 was one of those collapses where, and I can say 0:02:45.490 --> 0:02:47.710 this now because the Giants have won three World Series 0:02:47.750 --> 0:02:49.869 since then, but I was at all seven of those 0:02:49.930 --> 0:02:53.470 games in 02. And in Anaheim, starting the eighth inning, 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:57.280 it's five to nothing Giants. Dusty gives Russ Ortiz the ball. 0:02:57.880 --> 0:02:59.860 You know, you got Rob Nen, you got all these 0:02:59.900 --> 0:03:03.440 guys coming in. Scott Spezio, three run home run. I mean, 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:07.130 it just, it sort of felt like you were watching 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:10.180 something bleed to death on your front lawn. And you 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:13.369 were in a straight jacket, like Hannibal Lecter with, you know, 0:03:13.430 --> 0:03:16.930 clockwork orange, forcing your eyeballs open, like watching something. 0:03:16.950 --> 0:03:20.389 Fava beans with a nice can tea. Very good. 0:03:21.290 --> 0:03:23.169 No, it was just, it was one of those things. Like, 0:03:23.330 --> 0:03:25.650 even if you're not a Giants fan, you just feel 0:03:25.810 --> 0:03:27.350 really sorry. 0:03:27.510 --> 0:03:28.070 Oh God. Yeah. 0:03:28.350 --> 0:03:30.740 Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:32.320 Is it all right now? 0:03:32.340 --> 0:03:34.960 But it was, it was horrifying and you almost feel like, 0:03:35.020 --> 0:03:38.250 can we just, Like, start the offseason right now instead 0:03:38.290 --> 0:03:39.490 of playing for another month. 0:03:39.910 --> 0:03:40.170 I know. 0:03:40.270 --> 0:03:42.730 Well, me and Cope said the postgame yesterday, and our 0:03:42.750 --> 0:03:44.840 reaction was, this is not rock bottom. 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:45.690 Like, yes. 0:03:45.850 --> 0:03:48.020 That's not rock bottom? Well, I mean, like, think about 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:49.900 the season. Think about other moments. 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:53.660 Like, they waved the white flag months ago. And I 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:56.080 would say that when you're 25 games below. 500, I 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:58.600 can't say that's rock bottom. I understand that that win, 0:03:58.670 --> 0:04:01.670 or sorry, that loss was demoralizing. But in the grand 0:04:01.710 --> 0:04:03.410 scheme of things, in the season they've had, I can't 0:04:03.450 --> 0:04:07.040 say that's rock bottom. I think that's below rock bottom. 0:04:07.090 --> 0:04:09.410 I think that's Brad Pitt with 50 feet of crap 0:04:09.470 --> 0:04:09.990 rock bottom. 0:04:11.550 --> 0:04:13.450 That's the kind of thing where people who don't even 0:04:13.510 --> 0:04:15.670 understand baseball are like, what are you doing? 0:04:15.750 --> 0:04:16.210 Yeah, I know. 0:04:16.610 --> 0:04:19.309 But you know what? I said this yesterday, and again, 0:04:19.370 --> 0:04:22.130 like how quickly it happened, it was shocking. But I 0:04:22.190 --> 0:04:24.270 wasn't surprised by the outcome because. 0:04:24.290 --> 0:04:25.110 I still was. 0:04:25.170 --> 0:04:26.050 These are big leaguers. 0:04:26.150 --> 0:04:28.570 I understand. Have you seen the lineup they're putting out 0:04:28.589 --> 0:04:28.850 these days? 0:04:28.870 --> 0:04:28.990 I know. 0:04:29.010 --> 0:04:32.070 They're flying squirrels. And I'm not talking about AA Richmond. 0:04:32.089 --> 0:04:35.930 They're literally flying squirrels. It's hard to get a uniform 0:04:35.970 --> 0:04:36.490 that small. 0:04:36.570 --> 0:04:36.870 Yeah. 0:04:37.430 --> 0:04:41.450 But still, it's just it was amazingly I mean, it 0:04:41.470 --> 0:04:45.920 was almost like you're watching something and it's so morbid 0:04:46.339 --> 0:04:48.719 and it's almost like voyeuristic, like you feel bad. 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:49.510 You're watching it. 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.640 And John and Dave were kind of like, I mean, 0:04:52.660 --> 0:04:57.020 it's hard. When those guys get incredulous, they're like, I 0:04:57.060 --> 0:04:58.800 don't understand what's happening right now. 0:04:58.820 --> 0:05:01.599 Well, the best medicine for a demoralizing loss is just 0:05:01.620 --> 0:05:03.200 to get back at it today, and the Giants will 0:05:03.220 --> 0:05:06.620 do that against the Arizona Diamondbacks. Pre-game at 545, first 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:10.260 pitch at 645. Today we'll be joined by Sam Gordon, 0:05:10.660 --> 0:05:14.060 who was covering the Warriors for the SF Chronicle. Now 0:05:14.100 --> 0:05:16.960 he's covering the Raiders for the Las Vegas Review-Journal. We'll 0:05:16.980 --> 0:05:20.229 talk to him at 250, along with Rich Aurelia at 450. 0:05:20.230 --> 0:05:24.700 We'll get his thoughts on yesterday's demoralizing loss. But we're 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:28.099 exactly two weeks away, Rick, from the 49ers and Rams 0:05:28.140 --> 0:05:30.640 facing off in Australia. How do you feel about American 0:05:30.700 --> 0:05:32.060 football in Australia? 0:05:32.980 --> 0:05:34.670 I think it's great to spread the religion. I think 0:05:34.700 --> 0:05:35.950 it's probably taken too long. 0:05:36.150 --> 0:05:37.630 But in the grand scheme of things, I think what 0:05:37.650 --> 0:05:41.050 the NFL is waiting for outside of having, because Goodell 0:05:41.070 --> 0:05:43.170 kind of mentioned having two teams in London. 0:05:43.370 --> 0:05:43.510 Yeah. 0:05:44.029 --> 0:05:45.530 And if you think that's weird, I mean, if you 0:05:45.550 --> 0:05:47.510 think about how big London is and how many soccer 0:05:47.529 --> 0:05:49.830 teams they have, and you think about New York having 0:05:49.870 --> 0:05:51.710 multiple teams, it makes every sense in the world for 0:05:51.730 --> 0:05:53.790 London to have two teams. You're going to have that 0:05:53.930 --> 0:05:57.950 NFL division, and then they're going to play each other. 0:05:57.990 --> 0:06:00.240 Then they'll come over here probably for three weeks to 0:06:00.390 --> 0:06:02.000 a month. And then if you do the road trip 0:06:02.060 --> 0:06:04.700 over there, three weeks to a month. But the thing is, 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:07.900 is that division is going to stink because the only 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:08.580 people that are going to. 0:06:08.580 --> 0:06:11.380 Go there are people who get drafted by the whatever, 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:13.200 the Amsterdam. London Silly Nannies? 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:13.599 Right. 0:06:15.710 --> 0:06:19.260 Yes, the London Mary Poppins. It's going to be really 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:22.880 hard to get those people to go. It was hard 0:06:22.900 --> 0:06:24.419 enough to get them to go to NFL Europe, but 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:27.140 that was their only recourse at the time. But I 0:06:27.180 --> 0:06:29.510 think the thing about having a football game in Australia, 0:06:29.529 --> 0:06:32.110 that's mostly just for merch and stuff like that. They're 0:06:32.130 --> 0:06:33.969 never going to have a team there unless somebody invents 0:06:34.010 --> 0:06:35.830 how to beam you down there like Scotty. 0:06:36.110 --> 0:06:38.250 No, I don't see that happening, but London is on 0:06:38.270 --> 0:06:40.500 the horizon. Roger Goodell talked about it a couple weeks ago, 0:06:40.540 --> 0:06:42.349 as you said. I just don't see it where it's 0:06:42.370 --> 0:06:44.610 going to be multiple teams. I think, like, we could 0:06:44.630 --> 0:06:45.750 talk about this for a while now. It sounds like 0:06:45.770 --> 0:06:47.750 the Jacksonville Jaguars are going to move to London eventually. 0:06:48.310 --> 0:06:52.190 Well, Shahid Khan owns Fulham Football Club at Craven Cottage 0:06:52.210 --> 0:06:54.330 there on the West End. And, of course, the Jags 0:06:54.370 --> 0:06:57.640 play two games a year there, it seems like right now. 0:06:57.860 --> 0:06:59.320 It's a great thing. They say Jaguar. 0:06:59.620 --> 0:07:00.100 Jaguar? 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.200 Jaguar. I always wonder how people here say Jagwire. Where 0:07:03.220 --> 0:07:05.580 does that come from? That's me. You say Jagwire? 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:06.500 Yeah. Wow. 0:07:06.700 --> 0:07:09.610 The AP wire and Jagwire. I'm sorry. How do you 0:07:09.690 --> 0:07:13.640 say it, Rick? Jaguar. Jaguar. No, I just say Jaguar. 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:15.620 You should see how I say Tennessee Titans. How do 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.090 you say that? Like I have to like really pronounce it. Well, 0:07:18.110 --> 0:07:19.930 you hit the T's. How would you say Rick Tittle then? 0:07:20.130 --> 0:07:22.630 Rick Tittle. Oh, we say it with D's. But I'm, well, 0:07:22.790 --> 0:07:25.350 I'm just. It's Rick Tittle. Yeah, Rick Tittle. 0:07:25.490 --> 0:07:25.710 Yes. 0:07:26.030 --> 0:07:28.910 Hit that Tittle very hard. Very slowly too. 0:07:28.970 --> 0:07:29.190 Yes. 0:07:29.350 --> 0:07:32.350 And yeah, the FCC don't, somebody just drove off the road. 0:07:32.710 --> 0:07:36.560 It doesn't exist on the station anymore. Have you listened 0:07:36.570 --> 0:07:37.010 to this show? 0:07:37.130 --> 0:07:39.380 Somebody with a three-piece suit and a monocle just drove 0:07:39.460 --> 0:07:42.440 off the road. But no, I mean, Shot Kahn, by 0:07:42.460 --> 0:07:43.940 the way, is a great American story. 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.720 An immigrant. Everybody's Shot Kahn. Do you know how... Not bad. 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:51.330 Shot Kahn. Shot Kahn. All right, sorry. He made his 0:07:51.370 --> 0:07:54.750 money off mufflers like Tommy Callahan. You don't... Oh, yes. 0:07:54.870 --> 0:07:55.410 Yeah. Yeah. 0:07:56.270 --> 0:07:57.810 Motown, mufflers. 0:07:57.830 --> 0:07:59.370 Did he have to have the same situation where him 0:07:59.410 --> 0:08:01.150 and David Spade had to go like town to town 0:08:01.210 --> 0:08:01.790 and sell brakes? 0:08:02.390 --> 0:08:02.710 They did. 0:08:02.950 --> 0:08:06.420 Please, Dan Aykroyd, save our company. I make parts for 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:08.520 the American worker because I am one. You kind of 0:08:08.540 --> 0:08:10.820 look like Dan Aykroyd. Has anybody ever told you that before? 0:08:11.540 --> 0:08:14.760 Well, hopefully the earlier one, Wild and Crazy Guy, not 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:15.560 the one now. 0:08:15.780 --> 0:08:16.020 Yeah. 0:08:16.220 --> 0:08:18.480 No one's ever told me that now. Well, I'm the first. Yeah, 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:19.860 I usually get Ernest Borgnine. 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:21.250 Okay. 0:08:22.470 --> 0:08:24.390 Wow, the references already. Did you interview him back in 0:08:24.410 --> 0:08:27.430 the day, Rick? I never got Ernest Borgnine, unfortunately, no. 0:08:27.490 --> 0:08:29.350 I got Ed Asner right before he died, though. 0:08:29.390 --> 0:08:33.930 Does that count? Close enough. All right. 70s. 0:08:34.390 --> 0:08:37.040 If anyone was ever on a love boat or a 0:08:37.050 --> 0:08:38.060 fantasy island, then. 0:08:37.980 --> 0:08:40.780 It's jury duty to do my sports show. 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:41.800 Yeah. 0:08:42.140 --> 0:08:44.080 Today I had Owen Wilson, who's an actual. I was 0:08:44.100 --> 0:08:45.020 just about to ask you about that. 0:08:45.100 --> 0:08:47.760 So I always love it when you post who's coming 0:08:47.830 --> 0:08:48.800 on your byline show. 0:08:48.830 --> 0:08:51.710 Yeah, it's a nationally syndicated show. Yes, great show. But 0:08:51.750 --> 0:08:53.730 don't listen to it. Listen to KMBR. Well, either way. 0:08:54.130 --> 0:08:59.309 But I love that you get wide-ranging guests. And it 0:08:59.330 --> 0:09:02.430 could be like, you know, some pop sensation. 0:09:01.910 --> 0:09:05.910 From, I don't know. Pick a place. Austria, whatever. And 0:09:05.950 --> 0:09:07.550 then you get like Owen Wilson on. So what was 0:09:07.610 --> 0:09:09.330 Owen Wilson up to these days? He has a new 0:09:09.350 --> 0:09:13.189 movie out called Runner. He kind of plays a bit part. 0:09:13.690 --> 0:09:15.450 But you know what's weird is a guy like that, 0:09:15.490 --> 0:09:17.270 that's the first time I've had his brother, Luke, who's 0:09:17.330 --> 0:09:18.830 really funny. I like having him on. 0:09:18.890 --> 0:09:22.730 But when you interview someone and you know their voice perfectly, 0:09:23.090 --> 0:09:24.350 but it's not because you know them. 0:09:24.470 --> 0:09:24.890 Oh, wow. 0:09:25.210 --> 0:09:30.510 Yeah, exactly. It's just like, Wes Anderson was my roommate 0:09:30.630 --> 0:09:32.790 at UT. I don't do a very good Owen Wilson. 0:09:33.309 --> 0:09:35.270 But anyway, it's just weird to hear. I wrote Rushmore. 0:09:35.290 --> 0:09:35.429 Yeah. 0:09:38.300 --> 0:09:41.280 So when I will get literally Russell Crowe, Chris Pratt, 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:45.160 Michael P. Jordan, Ewan McGregor, I get guys like that. 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:45.859 Heavy hitters, yeah. 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:46.080 Yeah. 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:50.010 But then you have to do like Dick Hertz, who's the, 0:09:50.210 --> 0:09:54.230 you know, or whatever, Phil McCracken, some pop star. 0:09:54.250 --> 0:09:55.109 Are these porn stars? 0:09:55.190 --> 0:09:55.570 No, these are. 0:09:56.890 --> 0:09:59.329 You have to like do a little bit of uh 0:09:59.450 --> 0:10:02.190 favors yeah we'll give you these three nobodies oh i 0:10:02.230 --> 0:10:04.790 got you for that yeah so a lot of times 0:10:04.830 --> 0:10:06.700 i'm like why am i interviewing this guy and my 0:10:06.740 --> 0:10:08.890 boss will be like well he's no one wilson he's 0:10:08.910 --> 0:10:10.380 the guy that got us chris pratt and i was 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:11.679 like uh okay are. 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:14.260 We any closer to a wedding crashers too i don't 0:10:14.300 --> 0:10:16.459 think so oh man i know i would love to 0:10:16.500 --> 0:10:18.929 see it though I mean, yes and no. There's a 0:10:18.950 --> 0:10:21.410 lot of sequels these days, and I'm like, you kind 0:10:21.429 --> 0:10:22.740 of missed the boat on that one. Todd, it was 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:25.059 a gift. I'm taking it with me. Yeah, exactly. Great movie. 0:10:25.100 --> 0:10:26.580 I don't know if we need to know what happened 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:29.560 to life after they crashed their last wedding. 0:10:29.710 --> 0:10:29.900 Yeah. 0:10:30.420 --> 0:10:33.020 Well, there's some, I mean, if it's just a money spinner, no. 0:10:33.140 --> 0:10:37.250 If it's actually super clever, awesome, then yeah. How many 0:10:37.260 --> 0:10:38.990 of those do we have these days, though, with sequels? Well, 0:10:39.110 --> 0:10:41.650 it's like Dumb and Dumber 2. There's no way you 0:10:41.690 --> 0:10:43.510 could hold up to it, so you might as well 0:10:43.570 --> 0:10:43.969 not have done it. 0:10:43.970 --> 0:10:44.670 It's a cash. 0:10:44.429 --> 0:10:47.640 Grab for, honestly, Carrie and Jeff Daniels. I watched it. 0:10:48.010 --> 0:10:48.410 I did not. 0:10:48.929 --> 0:10:51.000 I didn't watch When Harry Met Lloyd. I didn't watch 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:53.479 Dumb and Dumber 2. I didn't watch that one either. Yeah. 0:10:53.500 --> 0:10:53.640 Yeah. 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:56.620 Let me know when the show starts and we'll talk 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:57.400 about interesting stuff. 0:10:57.420 --> 0:10:59.820 Well, we can definitely talk sports today because you and 0:10:59.900 --> 0:11:02.400 I have interesting perspectives working in the Bay Area for 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:05.300 quite some time. You obviously longer than me, but Raiders 0:11:05.370 --> 0:11:08.560 and 49ers history. We can talk about classic games or 0:11:08.620 --> 0:11:11.680 even do some trivia. Our guy Danny Dunn has compiled 0:11:11.700 --> 0:11:13.940 some questions you can ask later on the show. We 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:15.960 got good bits today. We got a grab bag. You 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:17.660 asked for that. We're going to do some grab bags. 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:19.160 No sports personality improv. 0:11:19.250 --> 0:11:20.510 No SPI. Yeah. 0:11:20.750 --> 0:11:24.470 I mean, that's all you, man. You're great with the impersonations. 0:11:24.550 --> 0:11:25.130 I'm hit or miss. 0:11:25.210 --> 0:11:26.790 I can just do like a Stephen A. Smith from 0:11:26.830 --> 0:11:28.010 time to time. You can do a good John Miller. 0:11:28.809 --> 0:11:30.050 I could do a good John Miller. And we may 0:11:30.090 --> 0:11:31.250 talk to John Miller later on the show. 0:11:31.570 --> 0:11:31.690 Oh. 0:11:32.130 --> 0:11:34.710 For our little Giants pregame, our talkback. That was me 0:11:34.750 --> 0:11:37.180 that just went, oh. No, that wasn't a drop or anything. 0:11:38.179 --> 0:11:40.720 And I'm sure we'll get to. That wasn't Farhan. Your 0:11:40.820 --> 0:11:44.000 thoughts with the Niners this week. 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:44.339 Yeah. 0:11:44.420 --> 0:11:45.120 Off the field. 0:11:45.340 --> 0:11:45.900 Gen York. 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:49.000 All time, all time story. I feel really bad for them. 0:11:49.140 --> 0:11:51.089 I do too. You can't like in the words of 0:11:51.130 --> 0:11:54.350 Ray Ratto, you can't deny the story is hilarious. Well, 0:11:54.710 --> 0:11:56.740 I mean, I hate to kick a guy when he's down. 0:11:56.910 --> 0:11:58.120 I know, I know, I know. 0:11:58.429 --> 0:12:01.160 You know, it's just, to me, that's the story. You 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:04.819 tell it, and then after that point, there's nothing more 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:07.420 to report, really. I thought it was interesting, though. Somebody 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:11.020 asked Kyle yesterday. It was a two-part question. It was, 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:12.860 first of all, so how does that change things around here? 0:12:13.420 --> 0:12:15.160 And he's like, it doesn't at all. He's never even 0:12:15.179 --> 0:12:18.030 been at camp. And then one guy said, so I 0:12:18.090 --> 0:12:20.250 saw Al Guido walking around. Is he in charge now? 0:12:20.290 --> 0:12:23.010 And Kyle's like, no. No, nothing changes. 0:12:23.130 --> 0:12:25.230 I'm in charge. I guess people have to ask, like, 0:12:25.250 --> 0:12:27.929 why are you even asking that question? It's like, yeah. 0:12:28.230 --> 0:12:28.390 Yeah. 0:12:28.590 --> 0:12:31.310 Well, we'll talk about that and how it, I don't know, 0:12:31.570 --> 0:12:35.480 impacts the football team. I think 0%. 0%. Yeah. So 0:12:35.580 --> 0:12:37.920 there you go. There's the segment right there. But we'll 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.300 talk to Sam Gordon. We can air static during that segment. 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:40.920 Yeah, exactly. 0:12:40.940 --> 0:12:43.319 We're going to talk to Sam Gordon, who covers the 0:12:43.380 --> 0:12:47.080 Las Vegas Raiders at 250, Rich Aurelia at 450. Let's 0:12:47.100 --> 0:12:50.720 talk about the Giants loss yesterday. All-time bad Giants loss. 0:12:50.980 --> 0:12:54.480 All-time bad Giants season. You trust in Buster Posey right now? 0:12:54.500 --> 0:12:56.840 We'll talk about it next. We want to hear from you. 415-808-5627. 0:12:57.970 --> 0:13:01.469 It's Rick Tittle, Derek Papa, Dirty. 0:13:01.210 --> 0:13:03.790 Work, the alternate broadcast on The Sports Leader. 0:13:04.370 --> 0:13:07.750 Now back to Dirty Work with Copes and Depop on 0:13:07.750 --> 0:13:12.960 104.5 FM and 680 AM The Sports Leader. 0:13:13.540 --> 0:13:14.599 As Pagan delivers. 0:13:15.420 --> 0:13:18.820 And a splitter strikes him out swinging. That one just 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:24.660 was the prototype of the splitter, tumbling down and ending 0:13:24.740 --> 0:13:28.560 up well down below the knees. For the Giants, the 0:13:28.620 --> 0:13:33.569 chance to sweep a three-game series disappears. They were just 0:13:33.620 --> 0:13:36.729 three outs away from doing it with a six-run lead, 0:13:37.429 --> 0:13:38.950 and they could not do it. 0:13:40.650 --> 0:13:45.910 Sounds of yesterday's demoralizing loss. Giants blow a 9-3 lead 0:13:45.929 --> 0:13:49.780 in the top of the ninth. Lose 10-9, the Cincinnati Reds. 0:13:50.260 --> 0:13:54.250 It's dirty work on Thursday. Rick Tittle, Derek Papa. If 0:13:54.260 --> 0:13:57.330 you're looking for a little 49ers preseason action, I got 0:13:57.350 --> 0:14:00.670 you covered. It's Adam Copeland and John Dickinson on KSFO 0:14:00.750 --> 0:14:03.770 right now, live from Tim Webb's apartment. So if you 0:14:03.790 --> 0:14:05.730 want to listen to that, click over to that. The 0:14:05.750 --> 0:14:07.989 broadcast will be on there as well. But me and 0:14:08.050 --> 0:14:10.200 Rick are holding it down until we get to Giants 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:13.520 and Diamondbacks. Pre-game at 545, first pitch at 645. And 0:14:13.580 --> 0:14:17.160 it's good they're playing a game today because yesterday was tough. 0:14:17.500 --> 0:14:20.470 This whole season's been tough, Rick. But yesterday, I get it. 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.100 Like some fans are going to say that was the 0:14:22.140 --> 0:14:24.660 lowest of the lows. It was rock bottom. Worst loss 0:14:24.730 --> 0:14:26.750 in Giants history. I wouldn't go that far with any 0:14:26.790 --> 0:14:29.950 of that. My whole thing is, yes, yesterday sucked. And 0:14:29.990 --> 0:14:32.450 I feel for Giants fans. But they waved the white 0:14:32.490 --> 0:14:35.530 flag a long time ago. And there's been a lot 0:14:35.570 --> 0:14:38.070 of low points. I remember when they got swept back 0:14:38.110 --> 0:14:41.510 to back in series against the Philadelphia Phillies and the 0:14:41.570 --> 0:14:42.210 Tampa Bay Rays. 0:14:42.700 --> 0:14:44.480 There were other moments where, I. 0:14:45.090 --> 0:14:48.090 Don't know, there's been so many. Sometimes I forget. They've 0:14:48.110 --> 0:14:51.270 blown so many leads. It's just where the bullpen has 0:14:51.310 --> 0:14:54.910 been just awful. It's been an all-time bad season. And 0:14:54.930 --> 0:14:56.600 I know that Tony Vitello is trying to build upon 0:14:56.680 --> 0:15:00.060 something for next season. And that's why yesterday was tough. Yes, 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:01.940 you're up against it with the lineup that you put 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:04.910 out there. But you want to have some good wins. 0:15:04.930 --> 0:15:06.970 You want to have baby steps to something bigger for 0:15:07.010 --> 0:15:09.250 next season. But am I going to act like yesterday 0:15:09.330 --> 0:15:12.030 was the biggest loss in Giants history? 0:15:12.130 --> 0:15:12.750 Absolutely not. 0:15:13.290 --> 0:15:15.470 Well, you make a great point about how it's not 0:15:15.490 --> 0:15:17.130 like the NFL where you have to chew on it. 0:15:17.510 --> 0:15:19.310 And especially if you lose on Thursday Night Football, you've 0:15:19.330 --> 0:15:21.700 got to chew on it for 10 days. You get 0:15:21.910 --> 0:15:27.620 to come out today, which helps. But the thing is, yesterday, 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:30.830 even the Reds knew that they lost. That's the thing. 0:15:31.330 --> 0:15:33.080 They know they're not going to score six runs on 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.100 the top of the ninth, as bad as the Giants are. 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:37.780 They're not going to give up. They're going to try. 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:39.560 But they know they lost. They got one foot on 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:40.040 a plane. 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:44.490 But when you are so bad, and everyone knows you're bad, 0:15:44.850 --> 0:15:48.210 you got a rookie manager trying his hardest. The umpires, 0:15:48.390 --> 0:15:50.730 I don't think, respect him very much. I guess you 0:15:50.750 --> 0:15:53.130 got to earn it. And then you take it to 0:15:53.170 --> 0:15:55.790 a level that we haven't seen since 1901. So no 0:15:56.110 --> 0:15:57.840 one alive has ever seen this. 0:15:58.840 --> 0:15:59.300 When you go. 0:16:00.210 --> 0:16:02.850 To a, like, you think you're on the bottom floor 0:16:02.970 --> 0:16:05.830 and then you go to this basement that you didn't 0:16:05.890 --> 0:16:10.960 even know was there. That's when it starts to feel sickening. 0:16:11.380 --> 0:16:13.320 You know, before it's like, ah, we suck. Lots of 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:14.540 teams suck. The A's suck. 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:14.960 Right. 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:15.780 The Rockies suck. 0:16:15.820 --> 0:16:16.180 Whatever. 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:16.940 You're lame. 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:20.180 You know, whatever you want to blame it on. But 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:24.250 when you do something so preposterous. is that I almost 0:16:24.270 --> 0:16:26.970 feel like you should give the fans their money back. 0:16:27.070 --> 0:16:28.530 I mean, it was just, they're not going to do that. 0:16:28.630 --> 0:16:30.470 They're not going to do that. But I mean, in 0:16:30.530 --> 0:16:32.810 a way it's sort of like, I remember at the 0:16:32.830 --> 0:16:36.430 Coliseum when Nick Foles through, I think it was seven 0:16:36.550 --> 0:16:41.730 touchdowns and then they benched him because they thought we 0:16:41.790 --> 0:16:44.250 have to let, this is getting out of control. 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.380 Now was it Riley? Who was that racist receiver? Oh, 0:16:47.420 --> 0:16:48.060 Riley Cooper. 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:49.500 Yeah. I remember him. Yeah. Yeah. 0:16:49.860 --> 0:16:51.610 He went to a country concert and he said the 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:53.880 wrong word. Um, yeah, on purpose. 0:16:54.870 --> 0:16:56.810 Um, but I remember I came down from the press 0:16:56.850 --> 0:16:58.670 box and I just stood on the concourse as I 0:16:58.710 --> 0:17:01.710 grew up in section one 28 row 32. That's where 0:17:01.750 --> 0:17:04.950 my dad has season tickets all through the seventies. And 0:17:05.130 --> 0:17:07.430 I just stood there and it was almost like, this 0:17:07.510 --> 0:17:10.450 is so horrifying. I can't believe what I'm watching. 0:17:10.650 --> 0:17:10.810 Yeah. 0:17:11.490 --> 0:17:12.949 It's theater of the absurd. 0:17:13.310 --> 0:17:15.190 It's whatever you want to call it, but that that's 0:17:15.210 --> 0:17:17.530 what the giant, and that's why I couldn't stop listening. 0:17:18.310 --> 0:17:20.570 of the flame story yesterday and listening to John and 0:17:20.630 --> 0:17:23.930 Dave as they described it. And we know John Miller, 0:17:24.030 --> 0:17:26.770 if you do stupid base running, he'll say. 0:17:26.650 --> 0:17:29.580 That was the worst base running in the history of baseball. Fantastic. 0:17:29.619 --> 0:17:30.150 Cool. Yeah. 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:32.219 So, uh, yeah, I. 0:17:32.660 --> 0:17:36.260 And look, you know, it doesn't matter as you say, 0:17:36.340 --> 0:17:38.830 because they wave the white flag, but they took it 0:17:38.930 --> 0:17:41.449 to a new level of futility that none of us 0:17:41.510 --> 0:17:43.450 have ever seen in our lives. 0:17:43.670 --> 0:17:45.869 No, I totally get that. I'm not saying it doesn't matter. 0:17:46.030 --> 0:17:48.510 I think it matters for Tony Vitale and everybody in 0:17:48.550 --> 0:17:51.470 that clubhouse right now, because yes, even though they wave 0:17:51.490 --> 0:17:54.490 the white flag to them, there's still season to be had. 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:56.500 There's there's games to be played. So I totally get 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:59.479 it from their perspective and Tony should be pissed off. 0:17:59.500 --> 0:18:01.380 The whole team should be pissed off for what happened yesterday. 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:05.540 But like, For us as, you know, sports talk radio 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:08.139 hosts to say, like, that was an all-time bad moment, 0:18:08.460 --> 0:18:11.740 it was. But as far as this season, I've seen 0:18:11.780 --> 0:18:14.359 a lot of bad moments. And when we reflect on 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:17.160 it when the season's over, yeah, you're going to remember 0:18:17.180 --> 0:18:18.060 that bad loss, but. 0:18:18.010 --> 0:18:19.750 There's been a lot of bad losses this year. This 0:18:19.810 --> 0:18:22.210 bullpen is terrible. You know who I blame? Who do 0:18:22.230 --> 0:18:23.170 you blame? Jay Stengler. 0:18:24.530 --> 0:18:26.649 Well, you really can't blame Tony Vitello because he was 0:18:26.670 --> 0:18:27.840 thrown out in the first inning. 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:31.980 Jace Tingler was the manager for the worst inning in 0:18:31.980 --> 0:18:33.260 125 years of Giants baseball. 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:34.159 I just thought I'd throw that in. 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:34.940 That is true. 0:18:35.140 --> 0:18:37.220 He didn't play, but he was the skipper. 0:18:37.740 --> 0:18:39.179 And you also made a good point. I thought that 0:18:39.220 --> 0:18:41.030 he was thrown out way too quickly. Do you think 0:18:41.050 --> 0:18:42.890 that umpires are not respecting Tony Vitello? 0:18:43.090 --> 0:18:43.270 No. 0:18:43.530 --> 0:18:43.710 Yeah. 0:18:44.170 --> 0:18:44.830 It's pretty apparent. 0:18:45.710 --> 0:18:48.430 I feel bad for Tony because I think he's just way, way, 0:18:48.450 --> 0:18:51.850 way too much of a nice guy. He seems too 0:18:51.910 --> 0:18:53.609 milquetoast to me. Well, did you hear the call when 0:18:53.630 --> 0:18:55.310 he got thrown out? He wasn't very nice to the umpire. 0:18:55.350 --> 0:18:57.129 I heard every word, but do you see how he 0:18:57.170 --> 0:18:59.530 said it? He said it like he was backing up. 0:19:00.410 --> 0:19:01.070 You know what I mean? 0:19:01.470 --> 0:19:05.629 It wasn't like some Gene Mock, Billy Martin type of 0:19:05.990 --> 0:19:07.300 get-in-your-face type of thing. 0:19:07.380 --> 0:19:08.120 Earl Weaver. 0:19:08.130 --> 0:19:10.760 It was sort of like, I'm going to come to 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:14.320 kind of the on-deck circle, and I'm going to say, 0:19:14.340 --> 0:19:17.040 F you, that was dumb. F you, and now I'm 0:19:17.180 --> 0:19:19.740 walking backwards. What did you want? You wanted to get 0:19:19.780 --> 0:19:22.889 in his face? I wanted him to get his money's worth. 0:19:23.210 --> 0:19:23.310 Yeah. 0:19:23.330 --> 0:19:25.119 And that doesn't mean throw all the bats and balls 0:19:25.170 --> 0:19:27.680 and pull up third base and pretend it's a grenade. 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:29.080 And yeah, when's the last time we saw that? 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:29.419 Yeah. 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:31.980 Well, I'm, I'm just saying if somebody throws you out, 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:34.740 you get in their face and you, you, and if 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:35.980 you're going to, if you're going to swear and act 0:19:36.020 --> 0:19:38.320 like a jackass, get your money's worth because a lot 0:19:38.340 --> 0:19:42.330 of these umpires are just these guys, you know, they 0:19:42.350 --> 0:19:45.270 make longshoremen blush the kind of language that they hear. 0:19:45.350 --> 0:19:45.609 Yeah. 0:19:46.230 --> 0:19:48.669 So in, in a weird way, I think you're going 0:19:48.690 --> 0:19:51.699 to earn your respect by not acting milk toast. 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:53.800 You know what I mean? And just being like, Hey, you, 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:54.580 you're really dumb. 0:19:54.740 --> 0:19:55.000 F you. 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:55.340 Okay. 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:55.619 Bye. 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.040 Well, I mean, it started with him saying, make the 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:00.060 right call. And then he was tossed and then he 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:03.000 went livid. And I totally understand that kind of livid. Well, 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:06.399 From what it sounded like on the flamethrower, yeah, he 0:20:06.420 --> 0:20:10.060 was a little pissed. But I think that he's toned 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:11.699 it down a little bit because the perception of him 0:20:11.780 --> 0:20:15.840 coming into the bigs is he's this crazy guy from Tennessee, 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:18.160 and he goes into the fans or the other stands 0:20:18.180 --> 0:20:20.910 with the fans, and he's very volatile, and he says 0:20:20.930 --> 0:20:23.270 what he feels all the time. And I haven't seen 0:20:23.290 --> 0:20:24.850 that this year. I think he realizes I've got to 0:20:24.890 --> 0:20:26.689 be more professional. Someone probably got to him and said 0:20:26.710 --> 0:20:28.490 he can't act that way with the Giants. 0:20:29.130 --> 0:20:31.629 I just think you, and it just, remember you can 0:20:31.670 --> 0:20:33.230 take the kid out of Richmond. You can't take the 0:20:33.250 --> 0:20:33.750 Richmond kid. 0:20:34.030 --> 0:20:34.830 I need to talk about yourself. 0:20:34.950 --> 0:20:35.150 Yeah. 0:20:35.190 --> 0:20:37.350 You gotta, you need someone who's a Mac. You know 0:20:37.369 --> 0:20:39.750 what I mean? A Mac daddy, just a Mac. You 0:20:39.790 --> 0:20:42.990 need somebody that, you know, is going to be the man. 0:20:43.050 --> 0:20:44.629 And I'm not saying he's not a man. I'm not 0:20:44.650 --> 0:20:46.290 trying to say anything bad about him. I feel bad 0:20:46.350 --> 0:20:49.070 for him. I think he's a very bright baseball mind. 0:20:49.250 --> 0:20:49.430 Yeah. 0:20:49.670 --> 0:20:53.109 But you know, you think Bob Melvin would have walked 0:20:53.130 --> 0:20:54.450 to the on-deck circle and say. 0:20:54.510 --> 0:20:56.379 Screw you, a-hole, and then leave? 0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:56.460 No. 0:20:56.740 --> 0:20:58.179 He would have stayed out there for a little bit 0:20:58.280 --> 0:20:58.500 of time. 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:00.119 Oh, he wouldn't have turned his hat around, but he 0:21:00.140 --> 0:21:01.780 would have gone out there and made sure that spit 0:21:01.820 --> 0:21:02.510 got on his glasses. 0:21:02.609 --> 0:21:04.409 Yeah, but he's been, I mean, Bob Melvin's been in 0:21:04.430 --> 0:21:06.470 this game for quite some time, so he has experience. 0:21:06.850 --> 0:21:08.770 I think that Tony Vitale is getting his feet wet 0:21:09.050 --> 0:21:11.580 and yeah, he's going to learn how to run a bullpen. 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:12.659 He's going to learn a lot of things in this 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:15.100 league that honestly, I don't think he's gotten the chance 0:21:15.140 --> 0:21:17.899 to because this team has been so bad. Like honestly, 0:21:17.940 --> 0:21:20.200 how much do you blame Tony Vitale for this season? 0:21:20.260 --> 0:21:20.460 None. 0:21:20.619 --> 0:21:22.260 And that's crazy to think about when we went into 0:21:22.310 --> 0:21:25.230 this season and he comes in as an inexperienced manager 0:21:25.250 --> 0:21:27.730 and they're 25 games below 500 and it's not his fault. 0:21:28.230 --> 0:21:30.669 I said on these airwaves, when you guys had me 0:21:30.730 --> 0:21:33.380 on in the spring, I said, who in their right 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:35.600 mind would think the Giants would be better this year? 0:21:35.820 --> 0:21:39.440 Who, who, who? That was my owl impression. Who, who, who? 0:21:39.460 --> 0:21:40.020 It's pretty good. 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:43.680 Yeah, because there was no reason. If you just looked 0:21:43.740 --> 0:21:46.340 at the lineup, forget that they're in a division with 0:21:46.380 --> 0:21:49.340 the Padres and the Dodgers. And look, the Diamondbacks are 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:51.159 trying to get that last wild card. But if you 0:21:51.180 --> 0:21:54.600 just looked on paper, why would you ever think that 0:21:54.619 --> 0:21:57.179 they would be better than a 500 team? 500 was 0:21:57.220 --> 0:21:58.980 the best they could possibly be, and that's what they 0:21:59.020 --> 0:22:00.700 had been doing for year after year after year. 0:22:00.869 --> 0:22:00.979 Yeah. 0:22:01.590 --> 0:22:03.629 So why would you think? And they go, well, now 0:22:03.650 --> 0:22:05.090 we've got a full year of Rafi. We've got this 0:22:05.109 --> 0:22:07.610 and that. So it was hopeful thinking. But I looked 0:22:07.730 --> 0:22:09.710 at it, and I'm no genius. We all looked at it, 0:22:09.710 --> 0:22:11.710 and we were like, you have to be realistic. There's 0:22:11.730 --> 0:22:13.689 no way they're going to be a winning team with 0:22:13.730 --> 0:22:15.130 this lineup. I didn't think so. 0:22:15.170 --> 0:22:17.620 I thought that the offense would be better, and they 0:22:17.710 --> 0:22:20.780 definitely scuffled the first, God, how many months of the season. 0:22:20.820 --> 0:22:23.000 And then Rafael Devers has turned things around, obviously. People 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:27.109 were down on him. People were obviously down on Willie Adamas. But, yeah, 0:22:27.210 --> 0:22:29.630 it really was the bullpen. And, yes, there were times 0:22:29.650 --> 0:22:31.570 where Tony Vitello made questionable moves, but that's going to 0:22:31.609 --> 0:22:34.190 happen with a rookie manager, especially coming from college. 0:22:34.619 --> 0:22:36.879 Can I ask you because— No, you may not. 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:39.060 Maybe I'm not watching close enough because there are guys 0:22:39.100 --> 0:22:41.340 who step over the line. That's two mound visits. Or 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:44.580 like when Boshi said Mattingly stepped on the mound in Miami, 0:22:44.619 --> 0:22:47.100 that's two mound visits. There are things or like when 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:49.340 Kapler and Philly said, give me the right hander. 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:49.820 Yeah. 0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:52.100 No one's warming up. So you can have that. 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:54.000 And there was a thing earlier this year where like, 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:55.580 did you raise your right hand to your left hand? 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:57.660 It turned out that was a misunderstanding. That wasn't even 0:22:57.700 --> 0:22:58.310 his fault. 0:22:58.350 --> 0:22:58.510 Yeah. 0:22:58.550 --> 0:22:58.710 Right. 0:22:58.930 --> 0:23:00.810 Or when he goes, why would you do that replay? 0:23:00.830 --> 0:23:02.350 And it's like, it's the eye in the sky. The 0:23:02.390 --> 0:23:03.810 guys in the booth tell him to. 0:23:04.030 --> 0:23:04.210 Right. 0:23:04.550 --> 0:23:09.540 So has he done one single solitary thing? egregiously wrong 0:23:09.619 --> 0:23:12.600 as a manager outside of, you know, pitching changes. 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:15.980 Has he done anything boneheaded? I would say, and Danny, 0:23:16.020 --> 0:23:16.320 correct me if. 0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:18.179 I'm wrong here, was it Caleb Killian he put out 0:23:18.220 --> 0:23:20.550 there three days in a row? Was that the, remember 0:23:20.570 --> 0:23:22.350 when people were talking about that early in the season? 0:23:22.730 --> 0:23:23.730 Yeah, I believe it was Killian. 0:23:23.950 --> 0:23:25.149 Yeah, that was the one thing where I was like, 0:23:25.170 --> 0:23:27.270 you're sending your reliever out there, your closer out there 0:23:27.310 --> 0:23:27.889 three days. 0:23:27.930 --> 0:23:29.090 People were questioning that move. 0:23:29.330 --> 0:23:32.990 Well, how many pitches did he throw the two days prior, though? 0:23:33.230 --> 0:23:35.470 It was a questionable move, especially when he was dealing 0:23:35.490 --> 0:23:37.230 with injuries. That's not boneheaded. 0:23:37.750 --> 0:23:40.270 It's not boneheaded. I wouldn't say anything was boneheaded. I 0:23:40.310 --> 0:23:42.230 think it's just growing pains. I think it's where you 0:23:42.250 --> 0:23:44.010 don't have a lot of experience as a manager. You're 0:23:44.030 --> 0:23:46.000 going to learn these things on the fly. Even though 0:23:46.020 --> 0:23:48.280 he has a ton of experience on his staff, whether 0:23:48.300 --> 0:23:49.900 it's Chase Tingler or Ron Washington. 0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:53.419 They fired Bjorn Borg. What's up? Hector Borg. Oh, yeah, 0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:57.530 Hector Borg. Yeah, exactly. What'd you call him? Bjorn Borg. 0:23:57.570 --> 0:23:58.210 Bjorn Borg. 0:23:58.270 --> 0:23:58.450 Yeah. 0:23:58.770 --> 0:24:02.790 But, yeah, people were kind of like, why would Buster 0:24:02.830 --> 0:24:04.270 announce he's coming back next season? 0:24:04.290 --> 0:24:06.370 Because that was always part of the plan. He started 0:24:06.390 --> 0:24:07.070 the hip with Buster. 0:24:07.580 --> 0:24:10.179 And honestly, if they're going to fire Tony Vitale, then 0:24:10.220 --> 0:24:11.840 Buster needs to go too, but that's not happening. 0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:14.439 Well, this is the thing. Like, so just, we already said, 0:24:14.460 --> 0:24:16.340 you're going to talk Raiders later. So Mark, when Mark 0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:17.920 Davis took over, he's like, I can't be the guy 0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:19.110 that fires you after one year. 0:24:19.210 --> 0:24:20.730 I don't want to be known like that. And so 0:24:20.750 --> 0:24:22.250 he'd have a guy. He's done that quite often. Well, 0:24:22.290 --> 0:24:22.930 now he has. 0:24:22.970 --> 0:24:23.110 Yeah. 0:24:23.570 --> 0:24:25.629 So I'm sure Buster's like, I'm not going to be 0:24:25.650 --> 0:24:27.790 the guy that goes out on the limb, makes this 0:24:27.890 --> 0:24:31.850 great reach for a college guy with no pro experience, 0:24:31.910 --> 0:24:34.409 never rode the buses, was never in the minors and 0:24:34.450 --> 0:24:36.469 then just fire him. because I don't want to be 0:24:36.510 --> 0:24:38.820 that guy and I want to show that I was right. 0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:41.280 Or do you say, no, it takes a big man 0:24:41.300 --> 0:24:43.620 to make, to admit he made a mistake, but I'm 0:24:43.700 --> 0:24:47.540 of the mindset that you could have taken Miller Huggins. 0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:50.020 I mean, pick one of the great managers of all time, 0:24:50.060 --> 0:24:53.750 Casey Stengel. You could put him with this team and 0:24:53.850 --> 0:24:55.389 how many more, if you have the best manager in 0:24:55.410 --> 0:24:56.230 the history of baseball, what. 0:24:56.170 --> 0:24:57.490 Do they have three or four more wins? 0:24:58.609 --> 0:25:00.830 This is not on Vitello, but I don't think it's 0:25:00.869 --> 0:25:02.750 a good look that he's kind of milk toast. 0:25:02.770 --> 0:25:03.370 That's all I'm saying. 0:25:03.619 --> 0:25:05.280 No, I hear you on that, and I think that 0:25:05.300 --> 0:25:07.940 a lot of Giants fans will say, well, put Bruce 0:25:07.980 --> 0:25:09.560 Bochy in there, put Dusty Baker in there, and they 0:25:09.580 --> 0:25:10.220 have a winning record. 0:25:10.740 --> 0:25:12.879 Absolutely not. No, not unless they're going to pitch and 0:25:12.920 --> 0:25:14.359 hit very well. 0:25:14.780 --> 0:25:15.180 Exactly. 0:25:15.260 --> 0:25:18.100 Rick Tittle, Derek Papa, we got you until 545 when 0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:23.880 the Giants take on the Diamondbacks. We're taking your calls, 415-808-5627. 0:25:24.270 --> 0:25:28.210 Your reaction to yesterday's loss, the Giants blow a 9-3 0:25:28.270 --> 0:25:30.129 lead in the top of the ninth. We can talk 0:25:30.170 --> 0:25:33.290 about that along with your faith in Buster Posey. And 0:25:33.350 --> 0:25:35.970 who's the most trustworthy GM in all of Bay Area 0:25:35.990 --> 0:25:40.300 sports right now? Where does Buster Posey fall on that list? Tittle, Papa, 0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:41.900 Dirty Work on The Sports Leader. 0:25:42.140 --> 0:25:43.820 Who, who, who? 0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:48.540 You found Dirty Work with Adam Copeland and Derek Papa. 0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:55.080 Where no job is too dirty on KNBR, The Sports Leader. 0:25:56.619 --> 0:26:01.139 How's it hangin'? Dirty work on a Thursday. Adam Copeland, 0:26:01.380 --> 0:26:04.640 he's got pregame duty for the 49ers and Raiders tonight. 0:26:04.660 --> 0:26:08.649 You catch that broadcast on KSFO. We're holding things down 0:26:08.970 --> 0:26:11.630 with Rick Tittle today. Take you up until 545 for 0:26:12.130 --> 0:26:13.650 some Giants D-backs action. 0:26:14.310 --> 0:26:15.850 By the way. Oh, turn that mic on. 0:26:15.869 --> 0:26:18.330 By the way, on the Golden State Lumber and Shroom 0:26:18.369 --> 0:26:19.889 text line, the 916. 0:26:19.890 --> 0:26:21.840 Hey, that's my job. Agrees with me. 0:26:21.890 --> 0:26:23.880 He says he should have gone ape on the umpires 0:26:23.980 --> 0:26:26.220 three or four times by now just for respect. 0:26:27.580 --> 0:26:30.560 It was about respect. That's what Tony Vitello is looking 0:26:30.580 --> 0:26:31.160 for these days. 0:26:31.380 --> 0:26:34.239 Well, you shouldn't have to earn respect that way. But 0:26:34.270 --> 0:26:38.330 with those dumbass umpires, that's the way you have to 0:26:38.390 --> 0:26:39.190 do it sometimes. 0:26:39.510 --> 0:26:39.730 Yeah. 0:26:40.030 --> 0:26:42.050 Well, I mean, it's going to take some time for him. 0:26:43.250 --> 0:26:44.850 But honestly, you can't blame the loss on him yesterday 0:26:44.869 --> 0:26:46.879 because he wasn't out there. We're taking your calls. 0:26:46.900 --> 0:26:46.960 415-808-5627. 0:26:49.869 --> 0:26:51.370 On the giants. 0:26:50.850 --> 0:26:53.649 Debacle yesterday the collapse in the ninth inning let's go 0:26:53.670 --> 0:26:56.590 to the phone lines but the gt in oakland gt 0:26:56.609 --> 0:26:58.390 you're on with tittle and pop up. 0:27:00.230 --> 0:27:05.100 Created a review at brother rater fair to lives on uh. 0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:06.760 what that. 0:27:06.580 --> 0:27:11.800 But seventy-five i was there to brother like right after 0:27:11.820 --> 0:27:14.380 they treated bay yet he was all that we call 0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:18.130 it the cursor here bobby partner because what he got 0:27:18.210 --> 0:27:21.710 there That's when you heard the complaint about no one 0:27:21.750 --> 0:27:25.430 can hit home runs there, where Willie Mays, Willie McCovey, Cepeda, 0:27:25.470 --> 0:27:28.210 even Jim Ray Hart hit 30 home runs there. So 0:27:28.250 --> 0:27:30.670 thank you for bringing up the 70s Giants. And this 0:27:30.690 --> 0:27:32.369 team is probably just as bad. 0:27:33.650 --> 0:27:36.149 Might be even worse. Who was your favorite guy? Was 0:27:36.210 --> 0:27:38.919 it Mike Ivey, Chris Spire, the Count? Who was it? 0:27:40.530 --> 0:27:41.840 I couldn't stand any of those guys. 0:27:44.710 --> 0:27:48.100 Thank you for the call, Jeff. Yeah, I mean, you 0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:50.359 know who I liked? I liked the Sheik, Mike Sadek. 0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:50.939 Oh, yeah? 0:27:51.140 --> 0:27:52.020 Yeah, good guy. 0:27:52.220 --> 0:27:52.440 Nice. 0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:55.580 Well, yeah, I mean, this might be an all-time giant 0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:58.180 season as far as losses. I was talking to our guy, 0:27:58.230 --> 0:28:00.250 John Curlin. He was like, I just don't want them 0:28:00.290 --> 0:28:02.010 to lose 11 games this year. 0:28:02.070 --> 0:28:03.609 Or, sorry, 11 games. We're way past that. 0:28:03.609 --> 0:28:07.709 100 games this season. And I hear some people be like, whatever. 0:28:07.810 --> 0:28:09.970 At this point, who cares? 100 losses, it is what 0:28:09.990 --> 0:28:12.139 it is. That is an all-time bad season, and one 0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:12.879 that you will remember. 0:28:13.650 --> 0:28:15.810 It's mostly for the fans. It's not like, I mean, 0:28:15.830 --> 0:28:17.230 when you go through and you go like, oh yeah, 0:28:17.270 --> 0:28:21.330 the Tigers lost 112. Like every team has those embarrassing seasons. 0:28:21.410 --> 0:28:21.590 Right. 0:28:21.690 --> 0:28:24.040 But it's mostly just for their own fan base to 0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:25.000 suffer with. 0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:25.580 Yeah. 0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:28.520 But I get what Curly's saying is a lifelong San Franciscan. 0:28:28.580 --> 0:28:28.720 Yeah. 0:28:29.140 --> 0:28:30.360 No, I mean, I get that. Like there's a point 0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:30.720 of pride. 0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:32.440 And I think Tony Vitello wants to build it up 0:28:32.460 --> 0:28:34.570 right now. You hear him the last few weeks, they 0:28:34.590 --> 0:28:36.389 lost a game. I think it was against the Rockies 0:28:36.430 --> 0:28:38.070 on a Sunday where he was like, it looked like 0:28:38.110 --> 0:28:39.930 we were a junior college team out there. Hmm. 0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:42.740 And he said, I was a Juco guy. 0:28:42.790 --> 0:28:43.240 So I know. 0:28:43.270 --> 0:28:45.370 Well, yes, but you case. Okay. So you don't like 0:28:45.410 --> 0:28:46.730 that though. No, that's fine. 0:28:47.530 --> 0:28:49.470 But you, I like Tony. You want a little more 0:28:49.510 --> 0:28:52.950 red ass. No, I like Tony Vitale. I just think 0:28:53.070 --> 0:28:55.690 if you're going to get thrown out, don't go. You 0:28:55.730 --> 0:28:58.410 know how, like in an NBA team fight, there's like 0:28:58.450 --> 0:29:00.370 a guy who's six, eight being held back. 0:29:00.450 --> 0:29:02.390 Hold me back, man. Hold me back by a five 0:29:02.470 --> 0:29:04.290 foot eight. Brill creamed ref. 0:29:05.090 --> 0:29:05.310 Yes. 0:29:05.350 --> 0:29:07.510 Like if this guy, you know, if Billy Barty wasn't 0:29:07.550 --> 0:29:10.260 holding me right now, I'd be whooping y'all behind. You know, 0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:14.060 just go out there and actually, it's like you lose 0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:16.080 your game check when you get thrown out. 0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:18.800 Go out there and rip that guy. 0:29:19.540 --> 0:29:21.850 If you think he was wrong and he's getting it wrong, 0:29:22.010 --> 0:29:25.070 and I understand, and for people who don't know, sorry 0:29:25.090 --> 0:29:27.750 if I'm patronizing you, darling, but you can't complain about 0:29:27.790 --> 0:29:28.490 balls and strikes. 0:29:29.010 --> 0:29:30.270 You can be thrown out immediately. 0:29:30.290 --> 0:29:32.330 And it's almost like Aaron Boone. 0:29:32.370 --> 0:29:34.709 That wasn't even me! That was the fan behind me! 0:29:34.730 --> 0:29:38.030 You know, he's always getting thrown out. That was one 0:29:38.050 --> 0:29:40.700 of my favorites. But, you know, it's it's just like, 0:29:40.740 --> 0:29:42.880 come on, get it right. And so what a good 0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:46.220 empire would do is you give a glare, you give 0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:48.720 a glare and then they say, stop chirping. 0:29:48.940 --> 0:29:49.140 Yeah. 0:29:49.330 --> 0:29:52.090 Tony, Tony, I'm going to run you. I'm going to 0:29:52.130 --> 0:29:54.510 run you. Shut up. Shut up. 0:29:54.710 --> 0:29:54.890 No. 0:29:55.310 --> 0:29:56.810 You don't just. He's not getting that his first year. 0:29:56.850 --> 0:29:57.030 No. 0:29:57.350 --> 0:29:59.610 It's just like, what'd you say? Get it right. Bye-bye. 0:29:59.870 --> 0:30:00.070 Yeah. 0:30:00.090 --> 0:30:02.830 Have a nice shower. No. I hear you. 0:30:03.030 --> 0:30:04.490 I think that maybe he needs to show a little 0:30:04.530 --> 0:30:06.450 more emotion, but then again, it's tough where he's known 0:30:06.490 --> 0:30:08.210 from that, from the college ranks. 0:30:08.230 --> 0:30:12.570 Let's go back. Let's go back out to the phone lines. 415-808-5627. 0:30:12.690 --> 0:30:14.190 If you want to get in the conversation, let's go 0:30:14.230 --> 0:30:17.690 to Todd in Fresno. Let's talk about the Giants bullpen. Todd, 0:30:17.710 --> 0:30:19.150 you're on with Rick Tittle and Derek Papa. 0:30:21.230 --> 0:30:26.150 Yeah, I'm coach pitching and a guy in the bullpen 0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:29.230 coaching at the JUCO level. I can tell you, if 0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:29.950 we played like. 0:30:29.820 --> 0:30:32.580 Some of the Giants games, we probably would have different 0:30:32.620 --> 0:30:33.880 guys playing the next day. 0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:39.530 The next day we'd be practicing until dark. So it's 0:30:39.610 --> 0:30:41.350 a little bit different, I know, in the bigs. But 0:30:41.650 --> 0:30:44.150 the bullpen, I look at these guys, they all throw hard. 0:30:44.270 --> 0:30:46.150 These guys, I mean, they're all 96, 97, but it 0:30:46.170 --> 0:30:49.670 just looks like they're the same guy that goes out there. 0:30:49.820 --> 0:30:52.400 Every guy looks the same. Nobody pitches to a strength. 0:30:52.420 --> 0:30:53.560 There's no differential. 0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:56.060 I mean, with Tyler Rodgers, at least you had somebody 0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:57.200 that was a little bit different than. 0:30:57.120 --> 0:31:01.240 The other guys. Right. And there's just no change. 0:31:01.330 --> 0:31:03.690 And for people to say, well, hitting's harder today because 0:31:03.710 --> 0:31:05.390 you face a different guy, well, it's not harder when. 0:31:05.330 --> 0:31:06.210 You face their bullpens. 0:31:07.660 --> 0:31:08.160 No, exactly. 0:31:08.380 --> 0:31:09.700 And you know, in a lot of ways, people say 0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:12.000 it could be easier because people throw so hard right now. 0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:13.860 You're not even dealing with more breaking stuff. 0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:14.580 No, exactly. 0:31:14.780 --> 0:31:16.700 And we appreciate the call, Todd. I mean, the bottom 0:31:16.740 --> 0:31:18.340 line is like we talked about it for months now. 0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:21.610 The bullpen is awful. It's been that way for quite 0:31:21.620 --> 0:31:25.330 some time. And going into the season, we questioned the bullpen. And, 0:31:25.490 --> 0:31:27.730 you know, just going back to Buster Posey going on 0:31:27.750 --> 0:31:29.350 with Murph and Marcus saying like, well, what do you 0:31:29.370 --> 0:31:31.620 want me to go do? Go get Edwin Diaz. And no, 0:31:31.630 --> 0:31:33.630 I don't have any restrictions on who I can offer 0:31:33.670 --> 0:31:36.410 money to in the offseason. They neglected the bullpen, and 0:31:36.430 --> 0:31:38.030 they wanted to do that because they were banking on 0:31:38.070 --> 0:31:40.370 Randy Rodriguez to come back next season. They didn't care 0:31:40.410 --> 0:31:42.590 about the bullpen. They didn't care about the pitchers. They 0:31:42.630 --> 0:31:45.990 wanted the offense to score runs, and they were slow 0:31:46.030 --> 0:31:47.969 out the gate. So this is where they're at right now. 0:31:48.110 --> 0:31:50.350 By the way, as a personal aside here, you did 0:31:50.390 --> 0:31:51.710 ask me on, so I'm going to give you some. 0:31:51.850 --> 0:31:52.050 Ready? 0:31:52.290 --> 0:31:52.450 Sure. 0:31:52.490 --> 0:31:54.190 When that guy said practice in the dark, it gave 0:31:54.210 --> 0:31:58.520 me chills because when I was playing football in college, 0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:00.280 my position coach, I was a DB. 0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:00.680 Yeah. 0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:02.920 He's like, all right, we're going to practice in the dark. 0:32:03.460 --> 0:32:04.820 And we're like, we don't have any lights on. If 0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:08.740 we're just practicing in the dark. Not bad. But it's 0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:10.900 standard time, right? So it gets dark at 5. 0:32:10.900 --> 0:32:12.780 He drove his Jeep, and he was one of those 0:32:12.860 --> 0:32:15.560 jackasses that had, like, floodlights on the roll bar. 0:32:15.620 --> 0:32:18.100 You know, I drove a Jeep. Did you have? A 0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:20.190 Jeep Wrangler. Did you have floodlights on the roll bar? 0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:20.580 No, I didn't. 0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:22.540 I just wanted to make you feel weird for a moment. Okay, thanks. 0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:26.120 And my brother drove one, too. What a horrible car 0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:26.660 that thing was. 0:32:26.860 --> 0:32:27.040 Yeah. 0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:28.300 Just bumpy as hell. 0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:31.080 But anyway, he drove out onto the practice field, turned 0:32:31.180 --> 0:32:33.380 on the lights, and we did practice in the dark. 0:32:33.910 --> 0:32:34.150 Nice. 0:32:34.230 --> 0:32:35.410 Yeah, not nice. 0:32:35.850 --> 0:32:35.969 Oh. 0:32:36.210 --> 0:32:38.690 No, but anyway, it gave me a chill. But back 0:32:38.730 --> 0:32:40.090 to the show. Let me know when we come back 0:32:40.110 --> 0:32:41.650 from the break. I won't tell stories anymore. 0:32:43.010 --> 0:32:44.760 Going back onto the phone lines. But I know what 0:32:44.820 --> 0:32:46.000 he's saying. Oh, there's more? 0:32:46.020 --> 0:32:48.860 Yeah, well, just the whole thing about, you know, junior college. 0:32:48.900 --> 0:32:50.640 There are so many great junior college. I mean, look 0:32:50.700 --> 0:32:53.180 at in the back. I mean, Bryce Harper went to 0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:54.160 junior college in Vegas. 0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:54.540 Yeah. 0:32:54.660 --> 0:32:56.900 Bob Melvin, when he was at Cal after his freshman year, 0:32:57.560 --> 0:32:58.870 he's like, well, I got to wait two more years 0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:00.830 to get drafted, but I want to get drafted now. 0:33:00.890 --> 0:33:02.510 And they go, well, you can go to La Canyada. 0:33:03.070 --> 0:33:05.730 And then get drafted in a year. He goes, okay, 0:33:05.750 --> 0:33:08.890 and I'll do that. There's some great Juco players. 0:33:09.350 --> 0:33:10.590 Real quick, you. 0:33:10.410 --> 0:33:11.790 Brought up Bob Melvin a few times, and you know 0:33:11.830 --> 0:33:13.870 him going back to the A's days. Do you think 0:33:13.890 --> 0:33:15.690 they should have stuck with him? The way I think 0:33:15.710 --> 0:33:18.060 you're kind of alluding to it is you think that 0:33:18.130 --> 0:33:19.990 maybe they should have stuck with him for another season, no? 0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:24.300 Well, I love Bob, but he wouldn't have done, like 0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:26.280 I said, he'd probably have three or four more wins. 0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:28.180 It's draws. 0:33:28.420 --> 0:33:31.700 There's double-digit guys that have made their debuts, They got 0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:34.050 a guy who I thought was the Nebraska quarterback throwing 0:33:34.090 --> 0:33:36.050 a ball to who Irving fryer, who dropped it in 0:33:36.070 --> 0:33:40.610 the national championship, Turner Gill. No, it's Turner Hill. Like, 0:33:41.090 --> 0:33:42.990 you know, you got a, you got a hunter mints. 0:33:43.230 --> 0:33:45.720 You got a guy named, you got a guy named message. 0:33:46.220 --> 0:33:46.420 Yeah. 0:33:46.660 --> 0:33:49.120 It's almost like this. It's if they had better names, 0:33:49.140 --> 0:33:50.560 it'd be a better team. That's that's right. It's a 0:33:50.620 --> 0:33:53.960 parallel universe of bizarro names. And that's what we. 0:33:54.060 --> 0:33:55.290 Have right now. Yeah, exactly. 0:33:55.330 --> 0:33:55.790 Exactly. 0:33:56.240 --> 0:34:00.480 We'll be joined by Sam Gordon of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. 0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:02.580 Talk a little Raiders with him. But let's finish up 0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:04.740 these phone calls. Let's go out to Jeff in L.A. 0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:07.360 He thinks it's not Vitello's fault. Jeff, you're on with 0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:08.320 Rick Tittle and Derek Papa. 0:34:09.489 --> 0:34:09.930 Hey, guys. 0:34:10.070 --> 0:34:13.350 Derek, first and foremost, my best, best wishes to your dad. 0:34:13.410 --> 0:34:14.410 I appreciate that, man. Thank you. 0:34:15.310 --> 0:34:16.489 Yeah, more than anything else. 0:34:17.270 --> 0:34:21.490 I'm another 70s guy, so you got the gray hairs today, guys. 0:34:22.380 --> 0:34:22.610 Nice. 0:34:22.739 --> 0:34:25.960 And really, yeah, and I'm thinking, I've been thinking it's like, 0:34:26.460 --> 0:34:28.780 Who are the greatest managers I've seen in my 50-plus 0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:31.299 years of watching baseball? Guys that really made a difference. And, 0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:33.779 you know, you go back to the Earl Weavers, Miss 0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:37.420 Sparky Anderson, Billy Martin, certainly. Then, of course, for us, 0:34:37.860 --> 0:34:41.469 Bruce Bochy and, you know, and Dusty Baker. None of 0:34:41.489 --> 0:34:45.090 these guys could win with this team. Maybe three, four wins, maybe, 0:34:45.410 --> 0:34:47.870 you know, honestly. So I don't put this at Tony. 0:34:48.010 --> 0:34:50.090 It starts to me at the very, very top. It 0:34:50.130 --> 0:34:54.930 starts with management picking a head of baseball operations who 0:34:54.969 --> 0:34:57.779 had no experience. And then that guy goes and he 0:34:57.860 --> 0:35:01.410 hires a manager that had no professional experience. I don't 0:35:01.469 --> 0:35:03.009 think you need to connect the dots here. I don't 0:35:03.030 --> 0:35:06.089 think it's that complicated guys. I don't know why they 0:35:06.130 --> 0:35:08.049 would not have just gone to one of the great 0:35:08.830 --> 0:35:13.750 franchises like Milwaukee or like Tampa or Cleveland and get 0:35:13.790 --> 0:35:15.640 the number two guy at one of those places and, 0:35:16.090 --> 0:35:18.529 and pick them. I don't, I really don't understand it. 0:35:18.610 --> 0:35:21.589 And then guys, last thing, you know, if I were 0:35:21.630 --> 0:35:24.200 a reporter and, I would be asking Buster, if I 0:35:24.219 --> 0:35:27.580 could get one question, I would say, Buster, you ran 0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:33.560 three world championship pitching staffs from starter, from number one, 0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:34.920 all the way through the bullpen and all the way 0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:37.460 to the closer. And then you went and did what 0:35:37.500 --> 0:35:39.660 you did in this offseason or didn't do what you 0:35:39.700 --> 0:35:42.879 didn't do in the offseason. How could you possibly have 0:35:42.940 --> 0:35:45.719 thought that this would have been a solution? I'd love 0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:46.590 to know what his answer is. 0:35:47.050 --> 0:35:49.390 No, I appreciate the call, Jeff. And the answer is 0:35:49.580 --> 0:35:51.560 he was restricted on what he could do this offseason. 0:35:51.860 --> 0:35:53.340 He could say all he wants that he wasn't, but 0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:56.540 he was. That's my belief. Well, also, at the beginning 0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:58.940 of the year, you look at the bright spots. And 0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:01.000 Logan Webb, Robbie Way is a pretty good one, too. 0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:01.259 Yes. 0:36:01.700 --> 0:36:03.660 And you kind of think, all right, that's the hard thing. 0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:05.959 We got our two guys. And Landon Roop started hard. 0:36:06.180 --> 0:36:06.359 Yeah. 0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:08.160 And how do we fill that out now? 0:36:08.300 --> 0:36:08.480 Yeah. 0:36:08.940 --> 0:36:12.580 And, you know, the closer situation wasn't rectified. But, you know, 0:36:12.620 --> 0:36:13.840 as you say, like you want to go out and 0:36:13.860 --> 0:36:15.819 get Edwin Diaz. If you just want to go for 0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:19.350 the name. Now, sometimes you remember Sabian's lunatic fringe thing 0:36:19.390 --> 0:36:20.770 about getting Vlad Sr. 0:36:20.810 --> 0:36:21.149 In here. 0:36:21.370 --> 0:36:22.950 Sometimes there is a guy right in front of you 0:36:22.969 --> 0:36:25.029 you think will make it, but you get to a 0:36:25.050 --> 0:36:27.549 certain point in the season where you have guys like 0:36:27.590 --> 0:36:30.770 Buddy Kennedy making stupid throws like he did yesterday. I mean, 0:36:30.810 --> 0:36:32.590 it's just like, well, who the hell's Buddy Kennedy? And 0:36:32.610 --> 0:36:34.190 then you look up his baseball card and. 0:36:34.140 --> 0:36:36.339 You're like, oh. And look, he's in the big leagues 0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:39.319 and we're not. Congratulations. And he's not trying to mess up. 0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:40.030 He's trying to do it. 0:36:40.060 --> 0:36:40.919 Of course, of course. 0:36:41.700 --> 0:36:45.000 But this is, and this is why the talent In 0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:49.029 American sports, we have over 30 in baseball. Most leagues 0:36:49.070 --> 0:36:52.210 have more, 32. The talent is so watered down now. 0:36:52.489 --> 0:36:52.669 Yeah. 0:36:53.210 --> 0:36:57.650 And I was looking at the Brewers who are last 0:36:57.710 --> 0:37:00.710 in home runs, but they're 50 games over 500 because 0:37:00.730 --> 0:37:01.430 they pitch so well. 0:37:01.510 --> 0:37:01.650 Yeah. 0:37:02.430 --> 0:37:05.920 And they're third in batting in all of baseball with 0:37:05.980 --> 0:37:08.440 a 254 average. 0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:08.960 Yeah. 0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:12.540 Like back when baseball was our only sport and you 0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:15.719 had like 12 teams. Now that was segregation going on too. 0:37:15.760 --> 0:37:17.460 You got to put that in, but all the best 0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:20.239 athletes play baseball. And as I forgot what year it was, 0:37:20.290 --> 0:37:23.050 but as a league, I think the AL hit 300 0:37:23.050 --> 0:37:25.629 as a league. Now that sounds like a pioneer league 0:37:25.670 --> 0:37:28.830 stats now where no one can pitch. But it is 0:37:28.969 --> 0:37:32.009 amazing now how much we just, I remember a name drop. 0:37:32.070 --> 0:37:34.239 I talked to Steve Garvey and he said, if he 0:37:34.260 --> 0:37:36.880 hit a home run and struck out the other three times, 0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:39.780 he would be humiliated to go back into the clubhouse 0:37:39.840 --> 0:37:43.650 and face his teammates. And now that's a great game. Hey, man, 0:37:43.770 --> 0:37:46.010 you hit a home run. Who cares about the three Ks? 0:37:46.270 --> 0:37:46.450 Right. 0:37:46.690 --> 0:37:46.790 Yeah. 0:37:46.810 --> 0:37:48.650 That's just the way the game is right now. One 0:37:48.710 --> 0:37:51.320 last call. Let's go out to Coach Rick in Morgan Hill. 0:37:51.510 --> 0:37:53.570 Coach Rick, you're on with Rick Tittle and Derek Papa. 0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:55.740 Hey, guys. 0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:58.100 Appreciate you taking the call. And again, all the best 0:37:58.120 --> 0:37:59.960 to your dad, man. We're there with him. We're supportive. 0:37:59.980 --> 0:38:01.340 Appreciate that, Rich. Thank you. 0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:04.580 I wasn't aware that you lose your game check when 0:38:04.600 --> 0:38:05.140 you get tossed. 0:38:05.340 --> 0:38:05.940 Does it go to charity? 0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:06.960 Do you guys know where it goes? 0:38:08.010 --> 0:38:11.020 I don't know that, Rick. I didn't understand him. Thank 0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:13.879 you for the call, Rich. He was asking when you 0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:17.640 get tossed, you don't get a game check. That's the 0:38:17.660 --> 0:38:18.759 way it's supposed to work, yeah. 0:38:19.180 --> 0:38:19.500 All right. 0:38:19.620 --> 0:38:20.879 Yeah. Did not know that either. 0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:21.299 Yeah. 0:38:21.900 --> 0:38:24.700 Well, that's unfortunate. You don't get paid, so don't get 0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:25.140 thrown out. 0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:28.520 And the Giants are 0-4 when Tony Vitello is thrown 0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:30.660 out this season. So has it gone in their favor? 0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:32.520 How much is a game check for Vitello? Do we know? 0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:34.380 I'm not sure about that one. Okay, we'll get our 0:38:34.420 --> 0:38:40.069 staff on that. Danny, look that up for us. A loader. Oh, 0:38:40.090 --> 0:38:40.730 he's long gone. 0:38:40.969 --> 0:38:41.790 Oh, yeah, yeah. Come on. 0:38:41.790 --> 0:38:44.750 Oh, okay. Come on, yeah. He's listening. He's listening. 2.50 0:38:44.750 --> 0:38:46.370 in the afternoon. He's long gone, man. 0:38:46.510 --> 0:38:46.780 Text us. 0:38:46.810 --> 0:38:50.299 He's preparing for Stanford Pre. Listen to my riveting interview 0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:52.960 with Andrew Luck. You can find that on thesportsleader.com or 0:38:52.980 --> 0:38:53.739 thesportsleader app. 0:38:53.900 --> 0:38:55.320 Can I just throw this in, too? 0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:55.580 Sure. 0:38:55.600 --> 0:38:56.759 Just for fun. Throw everything in. 0:38:56.780 --> 0:39:01.120 Because it was cool to see Lund. And we know 0:39:01.140 --> 0:39:03.049 the circumstances of him coming in were not what we 0:39:03.090 --> 0:39:03.469 all wanted. 0:39:03.489 --> 0:39:03.690 Of course. 0:39:03.710 --> 0:39:03.969 Of course. 0:39:05.010 --> 0:39:06.910 And I remember he and I, before Super Bowl 50, 0:39:06.910 --> 0:39:11.060 we hosted a Wounded Warriors event. I remember that. Didn't 0:39:11.100 --> 0:39:13.200 Snoop Dogg appear at that? Snoop Dogg was supposed to 0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:15.939 appear longer. Left at halftime. 0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:17.260 No, he left after 10 minutes. 0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:17.620 Oh, okay. 0:39:17.780 --> 0:39:20.360 And he took a check. So that was not very cool. 0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:23.549 Come on, Snoopaloop. No, he needed gin and juice. I 0:39:23.550 --> 0:39:26.299 don't know. Throw in a joke. But anyway, my my 0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:29.700 point is and he didn't ask me to say this 0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:32.299 obviously i've never seen a guy do more prep for 0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:35.299 a show oh johnny one i remember over at the 0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:38.020 fm station it would be hours and hours and hours 0:39:38.060 --> 0:39:40.060 and hours after his show and he would be there 0:39:40.100 --> 0:39:41.259 i go what do you because i was doing a 0:39:41.300 --> 0:39:43.530 night show what are you doing here yeah getting ready 0:39:43.550 --> 0:39:46.239 for tomorrow So I'll just throw that out, that I 0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:48.020 have a lot of respect for the guy, not just 0:39:48.100 --> 0:39:50.180 as a good host. And as he said, this isn't 0:39:50.219 --> 0:39:51.320 how we wanted to get him back. 0:39:51.660 --> 0:39:51.859 No. 0:39:52.030 --> 0:39:52.430 Obviously. 0:39:52.550 --> 0:39:56.549 But no one puts more effort into a show than 0:39:56.590 --> 0:39:58.770 that guy. Oh, absolutely. Jean-Len's the best. You know who 0:39:58.790 --> 0:40:00.410 else is the best? You. Sam Gordon. 0:40:00.969 --> 0:40:04.469 Sam Gordon from the Las Vegas Review-Journal. He'll join us next, 0:40:04.510 --> 0:40:07.489 talking some Raiders and some 49ers. You can find that 0:40:07.530 --> 0:40:10.739 broadcast at KSFO. It's Rick Tittle, Derek Papa, on the 0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:11.200 Esports Leader. 0:40:11.620 --> 0:40:11.920 One day. 0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:14.640 One day, some of the kids from the neighborhood carried 0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:16.530 my mother's groceries all the way home. 0:40:17.210 --> 0:40:17.810 You know why? 0:40:17.830 --> 0:40:19.630 It was out of respect. 0:40:20.969 --> 0:40:24.990 Now, back to dirty work. Adam Copeland and Derek Papa 0:40:25.450 --> 0:40:31.140 in the KNBR Casino Matrix Progressive Jackpot Studios. 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Happy Thursday. 0:41:03.190 --> 0:41:05.670 Looking forward to the Battle of the Bay tonight at 0:41:05.710 --> 0:41:06.510 Elysian Stadium. 0:41:06.530 --> 0:41:09.130 So excited to be out there. And always great to 0:41:09.150 --> 0:41:10.859 be on the airwaves with KBR. 0:41:11.060 --> 0:41:12.719 Does it still feel like the Battle of the Bay 0:41:12.739 --> 0:41:14.040 to you, though, Sam, now that the Raiders are in 0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:14.520 Las Vegas? 0:41:15.670 --> 0:41:17.870 Not quite, you know, not quite, but I will tell 0:41:17.910 --> 0:41:22.989 you my time in the Bay, obviously, I covered the 0:41:23.010 --> 0:41:25.280 Raiders a little bit. I wasn't, you know, the front-facing 0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:27.580 beat writer before I got out to San Francisco to 0:41:27.620 --> 0:41:30.540 cover the Warriors for the Chronicle. But I spent, you know, 0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:31.960 a little bit of time covering the team, and I 0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:33.700 was on the periphery of our coverage here at the RJ. 0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:36.879 I think having gone to the Bay and being there 0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:40.810 for a while and getting an understanding of what what 0:41:40.830 --> 0:41:43.110 the Bay, what Oakland doesn't have anymore now that the 0:41:43.150 --> 0:41:45.360 Raiders are here gives me, I think, a little bit 0:41:45.380 --> 0:41:47.960 of perspective that, hey, maybe it's not what it necessarily 0:41:48.060 --> 0:41:50.000 used to be, but there still is, I think, a 0:41:50.020 --> 0:41:52.420 little bit of significance between this matchup. And I think 0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:54.700 that significance is really going to be highlighted. I mean, 0:41:54.719 --> 0:41:56.460 we'll see if it comes to pass, right? But that 0:41:56.520 --> 0:42:00.870 second Sunday in November at Levi's Stadium, the Raiders' first 0:42:00.930 --> 0:42:04.509 time up there for a regular season game since they've left. 0:42:04.650 --> 0:42:05.310 To Las Vegas. 0:42:05.330 --> 0:42:07.410 I believe it'll be the first time playing in San 0:42:07.430 --> 0:42:10.790 Francisco since 2018. So that, I think, Uh, we'll feel 0:42:11.190 --> 0:42:13.250 a little bit more like the battle of the Bay. Um, 0:42:13.380 --> 0:42:14.839 but not, not quite what it used to be. There's 0:42:14.860 --> 0:42:15.640 no question about that. 0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:17.660 No, there'll be a big moment when the Raiders come 0:42:17.700 --> 0:42:20.100 back to the Bay area. But, uh, we also, what 0:42:20.140 --> 0:42:24.360 happened this past weekend, Sam, uh, walk me through what happened. 0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:27.360 So Ashton Gentry collides with a player on the Raiders 0:42:27.460 --> 0:42:30.620 indoor practice facility. Gentry can't put any weight on that leg. 0:42:31.110 --> 0:42:33.710 gets helped off the field, and then the Raiders have 0:42:33.750 --> 0:42:36.270 a prayer circle. Turns out it's just an ankle sprain. 0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:38.920 How bad was the vibe in practice on Sunday, and 0:42:38.940 --> 0:42:40.520 does it sound like he'll be back sooner than later? 0:42:42.110 --> 0:42:45.700 Oh, man, it was, I mean, the reaction to Ashton 0:42:45.719 --> 0:42:49.100 Gentry going down, yeah, it suggested that this was something 0:42:49.980 --> 0:42:54.160 more severe than what it ultimately was, a right ankle 0:42:54.180 --> 0:42:55.460 sprain of some degree. 0:42:55.520 --> 0:42:57.319 So it was tough to see. 0:42:57.340 --> 0:43:00.790 We didn't have the greatest vantage point. We're behind that 0:43:01.070 --> 0:43:03.330 back end zone line on the baseline, so to speak, 0:43:04.650 --> 0:43:06.210 of the practice facility. 0:43:06.450 --> 0:43:08.210 And the play was going away. 0:43:08.030 --> 0:43:10.270 From where we were And you just kind of see 0:43:10.310 --> 0:43:12.830 gently out in the flats and daring, you know, the quarterback, Darian. 0:43:12.590 --> 0:43:15.080 Porter out that way. And yeah, he was down. 0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:17.900 There was music playing, got quiet. And lo and behold, 0:43:17.940 --> 0:43:22.219 the team is silent, you know, joined in prayer and, and, 0:43:22.460 --> 0:43:25.280 and he needed some help to get off the field. 0:43:25.340 --> 0:43:28.020 And the vibe was not good. I mean, the vibe wasn't. 0:43:27.780 --> 0:43:28.259 Good at all. 0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:31.950 They were, I think just again, seeing, gauging the reaction 0:43:31.989 --> 0:43:34.190 from the players and, a lot of whom saw that 0:43:34.230 --> 0:43:36.290 thing up close, certainly from a better vantage point than 0:43:36.310 --> 0:43:38.529 we saw it. If you, when you're reacting like that, 0:43:38.590 --> 0:43:41.069 it suggests a serious, but all things considered, you know, 0:43:41.090 --> 0:43:43.569 just a right ankle sprain of some degree. I still 0:43:43.590 --> 0:43:46.690 don't think there's a necessarily a firm timetable on a return. 0:43:46.710 --> 0:43:50.009 I don't think a returning week one has been ruled 0:43:50.030 --> 0:43:54.250 all the way out, but all things considered given what 0:43:54.290 --> 0:43:55.879 it looked like and what it felt like, you would 0:43:55.910 --> 0:43:58.160 have to say that the Raiders, you know, we, we 0:43:58.200 --> 0:43:59.840 asked Clint Kubiak about it the other day, like where the, 0:43:59.860 --> 0:44:02.140 where the prayers answered and, And he said, you know, 0:44:02.160 --> 0:44:04.480 God works on his timing more or less and his 0:44:04.540 --> 0:44:08.280 timing for Ashton Gentry figures to be early in the season. Nothing, 0:44:08.400 --> 0:44:12.340 nothing that is, you know, super concerning. 0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:12.419 At this point. 0:44:12.460 --> 0:44:16.980 And certainly nothing that is as bad as it looked 0:44:17.000 --> 0:44:19.070 to be gauging the reaction because it was definitely applied 0:44:19.110 --> 0:44:23.870 in there. Definitely morose for that part of practice and onward. 0:44:24.940 --> 0:44:25.819 Sam, Rick Tittle here. 0:44:25.900 --> 0:44:29.460 And obviously the Raiders offensive line was horrendous last year. 0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:31.620 And then you had Gino with no time. It was 0:44:31.660 --> 0:44:34.839 the recipe to be the worst team in football. And 0:44:34.969 --> 0:44:38.710 so Miller is healthy. We like JPJ. They went out 0:44:38.730 --> 0:44:41.370 and they spent all the money on Linderbaum, highest paid center. 0:44:42.050 --> 0:44:44.330 Spencer Burford probably at left guard. But I want to 0:44:44.690 --> 0:44:47.069 ask you about right tackle because I think a lot 0:44:47.090 --> 0:44:49.589 of Raider fans thought when they drafted Trey Zune that 0:44:49.630 --> 0:44:52.900 he would come in and start over Del Mar glaze. 0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:53.160 What? 0:44:53.660 --> 0:44:55.900 And usually you say, well, who cares about right tackle? Well, 0:44:55.920 --> 0:44:59.460 there's a defensive end on that side too. So what's 0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:00.640 going on at right tackle. 0:45:02.100 --> 0:45:02.400 Yeah. 0:45:02.540 --> 0:45:04.259 It's been DJ glaze the whole preseason. 0:45:04.300 --> 0:45:06.250 I mean, I don't think, I don't think there's been 0:45:06.290 --> 0:45:09.069 a single snap that he hasn't taken with the ones 0:45:09.130 --> 0:45:11.529 we know about his struggles last year, the penalties he's 0:45:11.550 --> 0:45:14.650 beaten for sacks and whatnot. He did not have a 0:45:14.710 --> 0:45:18.029 great year, but he is going to get the first 0:45:18.070 --> 0:45:20.690 crack at it. The coaching staff is, as there's been 0:45:20.710 --> 0:45:23.000 a little bit of rotation at right guard with, uh, 0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:26.299 With Jackson Powers Johnson and Caleb Rogers, I think still 0:45:26.340 --> 0:45:29.020 very much in competition for that spot. Although if you 0:45:29.060 --> 0:45:32.210 were to aggregate all the reps from starting training camp 0:45:32.290 --> 0:45:35.529 onward to today, Jackson Powers Johnson has taken, you know, more, 0:45:35.670 --> 0:45:38.799 certainly more reps than Caleb Rogers. But it's been DJ 0:45:38.820 --> 0:45:41.399 Glaze at that right tackle spot every single day running 0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:44.200 with that first group. I know a point major point 0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:48.620 of emphasis for him. This off season was conditioning and, and, and, 0:45:49.120 --> 0:45:51.560 and just getting his body together and, and, and working 0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:53.239 on his hands. He, you know, he shared with us 0:45:53.300 --> 0:45:56.460 that boxing was a focal point for him this off season, 0:45:56.480 --> 0:45:58.279 because you know, learning how to use your hands a 0:45:58.280 --> 0:46:00.380 little better and working with those. So he's going to 0:46:00.400 --> 0:46:02.680 get his first crack at it. I think that being said, 0:46:02.719 --> 0:46:05.020 I think the third round pick last year, Charles Grant 0:46:05.700 --> 0:46:07.859 has had a nice preseason, you know, repping at that, 0:46:08.140 --> 0:46:11.009 that swing tackle spot. He's had some big blocks. on 0:46:11.050 --> 0:46:13.630 the left side that opened up Mike Washington for some 0:46:13.670 --> 0:46:17.530 long runs and has just shown growth and development from 0:46:17.570 --> 0:46:20.460 year one where he was a pretty raw rookie taken 0:46:20.500 --> 0:46:24.740 out of a lower-level school and developing in this training 0:46:24.760 --> 0:46:27.140 camp under this coaching staff. So if there's somebody that's 0:46:27.160 --> 0:46:30.370 going to put pressure on DJ Glaze, that's, that's who 0:46:30.410 --> 0:46:32.489 it's going to be. But right now it's been, it's 0:46:32.530 --> 0:46:34.790 been DJ glaze running with that first team. Trey Zune 0:46:34.810 --> 0:46:38.089 has been repping across the offensive line, but snapping the 0:46:38.110 --> 0:46:41.180 ball lately with that, with that second team. And still 0:46:41.200 --> 0:46:43.960 don't think they're necessarily decided on a position yet. So 0:46:44.520 --> 0:46:47.180 ultimately the trajectory of the season in so many ways, 0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:50.719 including when Fernando Mendoza is, or isn't going to play 0:46:50.800 --> 0:46:52.850 is defined a lot by that offensive line. They don't, 0:46:52.870 --> 0:46:54.730 they don't want to put him out there in a 0:46:54.770 --> 0:46:56.609 situation where he's going to get, you know, where he's 0:46:56.630 --> 0:46:58.790 going to get smoked back there. And I think he's 0:46:58.810 --> 0:47:00.709 taking a little bit of punishment playing between that second, 0:47:00.730 --> 0:47:03.250 you know, playing behind that second team offensive line here 0:47:03.270 --> 0:47:06.170 in the preseason, they want to make sure that thing 0:47:06.230 --> 0:47:07.830 is in sync, at least that, you know, the best 0:47:07.870 --> 0:47:10.350 of its ability, I would imagine before he's out there, 0:47:10.370 --> 0:47:12.109 it's going to be better than last year. Like you mentioned, 0:47:12.140 --> 0:47:14.009 because of Colton Miller on that left side, being healthy 0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:16.279 because of Tyler Linder bomb, but I think still the 0:47:16.300 --> 0:47:19.299 ways to go before this thing coalesces and before they 0:47:19.340 --> 0:47:22.540 know exactly what they have up front on the offensive side. 0:47:22.360 --> 0:47:22.600 Of the ball. 0:47:22.890 --> 0:47:24.620 Talking to Sam Gordon on the UMA guest line. 0:47:24.660 --> 0:47:26.100 That was going to be my next question, Sam, is, 0:47:26.120 --> 0:47:28.380 you know, a lot's been made of Fernando Mendoza, obviously, 0:47:28.400 --> 0:47:30.980 with the first overall pick. Glenn Kubiak has said he's 0:47:31.020 --> 0:47:33.640 not ready to name a starting QB just yet. He 0:47:33.700 --> 0:47:36.140 did say when training camp started that Kirk Cousins will 0:47:36.160 --> 0:47:38.439 be the starter for now. And that's, you know, everything 0:47:38.460 --> 0:47:40.279 that he said has been, well, we want this guy 0:47:40.300 --> 0:47:42.690 to grow. We want Kirk Cousins to be in there 0:47:42.730 --> 0:47:45.210 for the first couple of weeks. Mendoza has looked good 0:47:45.730 --> 0:47:47.930 at times and bad at times during the pick six 0:47:47.989 --> 0:47:50.410 against the Houston Texans. Would you expect them to stick 0:47:50.430 --> 0:47:51.989 to the plan at this point where it's going to 0:47:52.010 --> 0:47:54.089 be Cousins for the first couple of weeks and then 0:47:54.110 --> 0:47:55.430 we could see Mendoza later on? 0:47:56.750 --> 0:48:01.360 Yeah, I mean, I don't think there's been anything that's changed. 0:48:01.380 --> 0:48:03.080 I don't think the calculus has changed at this point. 0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:06.440 After the preseason opener, Kirk Cousins and that first-team offense 0:48:06.460 --> 0:48:07.460 go right down the field. 0:48:07.300 --> 0:48:08.440 Against the Arizona Cardinals. 0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:11.189 Clint Rubio came out and said it's Kirk Cousins' job 0:48:11.230 --> 0:48:13.689 to lose, and that has... I don't think there's anything 0:48:13.730 --> 0:48:16.830 that's ha that's happened in practice that has caused Kirk 0:48:16.870 --> 0:48:17.830 cousins to lose the job. 0:48:17.870 --> 0:48:20.229 I think to your point, we've seen the, you see. 0:48:20.450 --> 0:48:23.730 There's been various throws, various junctures in the preseason where 0:48:23.770 --> 0:48:26.310 you see the number one overall pick package that Fernando 0:48:26.330 --> 0:48:30.440 Mendoza offers the size, the arm strength, the anticipation willing 0:48:30.460 --> 0:48:32.660 to take a hit, you know, the, the, the poise, 0:48:32.719 --> 0:48:35.660 I think after, after the mistakes he's made in the 0:48:35.700 --> 0:48:38.640 preseason or when the drives haven't been solid, you've seen 0:48:38.680 --> 0:48:40.320 him settle and develop a rhythm. 0:48:40.360 --> 0:48:42.259 So I think all the, there are all kinds of. 0:48:42.280 --> 0:48:44.920 Encouraging signs about the way he's developed, but at the 0:48:44.960 --> 0:48:46.420 same time, right. 0:48:46.440 --> 0:48:47.200 Just like there's been. 0:48:47.100 --> 0:48:49.790 In the games and practices, you'll see him be laid 0:48:49.830 --> 0:48:51.870 over the middle. There'll be an intersection here or there. 0:48:52.090 --> 0:48:56.989 There's just not quite the smoothness and the, you know, the, 0:48:57.010 --> 0:48:59.890 the experience that, that Kirk Cousins brings to the position 0:48:59.930 --> 0:49:02.320 at this point, Kirk Cousins, I think no question about 0:49:02.360 --> 0:49:06.440 it has been the better quarterback during training camp at practices. He, 0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:09.940 he had an efficient drive during the preseason and that 0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:13.080 though the staff definitely likes out for Nando Mendoza has 0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:16.330 been developing the, the, the, the camaraderie he's developed with 0:49:16.330 --> 0:49:18.970 his teammates, the way he's gaining a command. 0:49:18.540 --> 0:49:19.180 Of of the huddle. 0:49:20.100 --> 0:49:21.580 They don't want to put him in a position to 0:49:21.620 --> 0:49:24.580 be unsuccessful. This isn't about the first week one or, 0:49:24.590 --> 0:49:26.310 you know, first three or four or five or six 0:49:26.350 --> 0:49:29.170 weeks or first eight or nine weeks for that matter of, of, 0:49:29.390 --> 0:49:32.030 of his first season. Like if they get this thing, right, 0:49:32.130 --> 0:49:34.190 they set this thing up, right. It's about 10 to 0:49:34.190 --> 0:49:37.190 15 years of quarterbacking that the Las Vegas Raiders haven't 0:49:37.310 --> 0:49:38.390 certainly haven't had during. 0:49:38.230 --> 0:49:40.049 Their time here in Vegas. And that the Raiders and the. 0:49:40.030 --> 0:49:43.440 Franchise hasn't, you know, haven't had probably since Rich Gannon. 0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:45.920 That's the hope, right? Is that Fernando Mendoza can provide that. 0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:48.640 for 10, you know, the next decade, 10 to 15 0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:51.180 years for that franchise. So they're not going to rush anything. 0:49:51.200 --> 0:49:53.080 They're going to make sure he's ready to go. And 0:49:53.340 --> 0:49:56.439 as long as Kirk cousins is effective, which he has 0:49:56.480 --> 0:49:58.719 been during training camp, I don't, I don't see any 0:49:58.760 --> 0:50:01.100 reason to deviate from the plan. Now, of course the 0:50:01.140 --> 0:50:04.339 variable is right. Kirk cousins is 38. He's three years 0:50:04.380 --> 0:50:08.040 removed from an Achilles injury. And he's at the stage 0:50:08.080 --> 0:50:10.550 of his career where it can go at any time 0:50:10.610 --> 0:50:12.810 for a veteran quarterback, where there can be a major 0:50:12.850 --> 0:50:14.910 job off. And I performed very well down the stretch for. 0:50:14.850 --> 0:50:15.570 The Atlanta Falcons. 0:50:15.650 --> 0:50:17.509 I think that's part of the reason he got that 0:50:17.550 --> 0:50:20.150 payday with the Raiders and put himself in position to 0:50:20.170 --> 0:50:23.589 be a starting quarterback again at age 38. But you 0:50:23.640 --> 0:50:25.839 have to consider the, the, the injury risk and all 0:50:25.860 --> 0:50:26.920 the different variables, you know. 0:50:26.940 --> 0:50:29.419 The offensive line still has to protect him too. Right. 0:50:29.460 --> 0:50:30.839 You like the way he's able to get the ball 0:50:30.900 --> 0:50:32.980 out and all those different things and the experience that 0:50:33.000 --> 0:50:35.040 he has. But again, Of course, that, that variable is 0:50:35.080 --> 0:50:37.569 always in place for any player, but certainly one at 0:50:37.610 --> 0:50:39.989 this stage of their career. So yeah, don't expect them 0:50:40.010 --> 0:50:42.290 to deviate from the plan. Cousins has had a strong 0:50:42.310 --> 0:50:44.770 training camp. Mendoza's had his ups and downs, but they 0:50:44.810 --> 0:50:46.590 liked his trajectory. And I think it's, I think a 0:50:46.650 --> 0:50:49.590 positive trajectory and no reason to rush him out on 0:50:49.610 --> 0:50:51.250 the field until this thing is ready to go until 0:50:51.270 --> 0:50:52.969 they feel like this thing's coalesced around him and that 0:50:53.010 --> 0:50:56.150 he has an opportunity to be successful and to develop 0:50:56.330 --> 0:50:57.549 in games the way they want them to. 0:50:58.330 --> 0:51:00.230 Sam, I wanted to ask you about Clint Kubiak. And 0:51:00.250 --> 0:51:02.469 of course, this is his rookie year as a head 0:51:02.510 --> 0:51:05.089 coach in this league. But I mean, I went to 0:51:05.190 --> 0:51:08.820 so many press conferences and you just these false dawns, 0:51:09.140 --> 0:51:12.240 whether it was Joe Bugle or Norv Turner or Lane 0:51:12.280 --> 0:51:15.000 Kiffin and Tom Cable, Dennis Allen. I mean, the list 0:51:15.040 --> 0:51:19.799 goes on and on the McDaniels Pierce. And the trend 0:51:19.820 --> 0:51:23.160 is you will fail. So why is he the guy 0:51:23.260 --> 0:51:25.040 unless you don't think so? But why is he the 0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:27.719 guy that's going to break this trend? of guys who 0:51:27.800 --> 0:51:29.979 could not get it done for the silver and black. 0:51:31.460 --> 0:51:31.800 Yeah. 0:51:31.920 --> 0:51:32.200 Yeah. 0:51:32.360 --> 0:51:36.460 It feels like he's in the guy in part because 0:51:36.680 --> 0:51:38.580 for the first time in a long time, there seems 0:51:38.620 --> 0:51:42.080 to be organizational continuity. There's no quick fix. They're not 0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:47.360 trying to rush this. They're not trying to infuse, you know, short-term. 0:51:46.900 --> 0:51:50.320 Talent and, and, and and pass their way into the playoffs. 0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:52.230 Like I think there was an understanding with the way 0:51:52.290 --> 0:51:54.830 the season went last year and where things are at 0:51:54.870 --> 0:51:57.670 this year, that it's finally time to embrace a tried 0:51:58.110 --> 0:52:00.190 and true rebuild. I don't think there's pressure on pink. 0:52:00.210 --> 0:52:01.629 Who we have to come out there and go 10 0:52:01.630 --> 0:52:03.910 and seven this year and fight for the playoffs and 0:52:03.950 --> 0:52:06.230 make the playoffs. This is a rebuilding roster with a 0:52:06.290 --> 0:52:10.009 lot of young players with a rookie quarterback that, that, with, 0:52:10.070 --> 0:52:13.080 with that, you know, playing behind a retooled offensive line. 0:52:13.100 --> 0:52:14.719 That was the worst in the NFL last year. 0:52:14.739 --> 0:52:16.400 That has a lot of work to do on the 0:52:16.440 --> 0:52:18.700 defensive side of the ball that, you know, you have 0:52:18.739 --> 0:52:21.560 a coach coming in, establishing a, a culture like there 0:52:21.610 --> 0:52:24.230 there's alignment there with, with the way this thing needs 0:52:24.290 --> 0:52:27.790 to go. And then, you know, you talk about just 0:52:28.030 --> 0:52:31.629 the pedigree he's coming off of a super bowl with, 0:52:31.730 --> 0:52:35.420 with the, with the Seattle Seahawks as the offensive coordinator, 0:52:35.460 --> 0:52:37.879 where he pretty much called the perfect playoffs. I mean, 0:52:37.900 --> 0:52:41.920 you got the absolute, you dial up a game and 0:52:41.940 --> 0:52:44.550 a game plan where Sam Darnold outplays the NFL MVP 0:52:45.710 --> 0:52:47.030 where the running game's not there. 0:52:47.190 --> 0:52:49.950 And you get the, you know, the apex Sam Darnold. 0:52:49.989 --> 0:52:52.630 And then in the Superbowl manages that thing perfectly gets 0:52:52.650 --> 0:52:55.310 their own game going, plays behind a great defense. And 0:52:55.330 --> 0:52:57.779 then just say, you know, a great understanding of, of 0:52:57.860 --> 0:52:59.339 what is required to win that game. 0:52:59.380 --> 0:53:01.360 So yeah, they've had obviously coaches. 0:53:01.380 --> 0:53:03.160 You don't become a head coach in the NFL without 0:53:03.340 --> 0:53:06.340 some level of pedigree, but he's all ball all the time. 0:53:06.480 --> 0:53:08.660 I mean, he's not there to win any press conferences. 0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:11.800 He's not there to, to, to have a great soundbite. 0:53:11.820 --> 0:53:14.160 He's there to put a culture in place with the 0:53:14.219 --> 0:53:18.969 backing of John Spitek and ownership to take his time and, building. 0:53:18.710 --> 0:53:19.569 This thing the right way. 0:53:19.590 --> 0:53:21.969 And right now they're, they're in a position where it's 0:53:22.030 --> 0:53:25.110 about developing young players, getting as much talent as possible, 0:53:25.730 --> 0:53:28.669 but building something for the long haul and not putting 0:53:28.750 --> 0:53:31.759 pressure on him to succeed or to win or unrealistic 0:53:31.840 --> 0:53:35.680 expectations about where they are roster wise in a loaded AFC. 0:53:35.760 --> 0:53:38.300 They're embracing the rebuild. They feel like he's the guy 0:53:38.700 --> 0:53:40.839 to do it. And so far, you know, the early 0:53:40.880 --> 0:53:44.520 returns is one training camp. We But the tenants of 0:53:44.560 --> 0:53:47.469 his falter, I think, are being established, and he's got 0:53:47.510 --> 0:53:49.850 buy-in from the top down. So that's all you can 0:53:49.870 --> 0:53:51.529 do at this point through the preseason. You've got to 0:53:51.550 --> 0:53:53.550 go out there and obviously do that on the grass 0:53:53.590 --> 0:53:57.089 in the fall and continue to build. But I think 0:53:57.110 --> 0:53:59.170 there's a lot of optimism in that building about what 0:53:59.190 --> 0:54:02.239 he has the opportunity to build, and it helps having 0:54:02.260 --> 0:54:04.620 a number one overall pick of quarterback where there's alignment 0:54:04.640 --> 0:54:06.680 in place, allowing him to take his time to develop 0:54:07.320 --> 0:54:08.560 to build this thing for the long haul. That's the 0:54:08.600 --> 0:54:10.500 position he's in, and that's why I think there's a 0:54:10.500 --> 0:54:12.420 better chance for him to succeed than the previous head coaches. 0:54:13.050 --> 0:54:14.719 A couple more minutes with Sam Gordon on the UMA 0:54:14.739 --> 0:54:16.760 guest line. We're not going to see Kirk Cousins tonight. 0:54:16.780 --> 0:54:19.440 We're not going to see Fernando Mendoza. Pretty impressive performance 0:54:19.480 --> 0:54:21.609 by Aiden O'Connell in the second half last week against 0:54:21.630 --> 0:54:23.489 the Texans. Would it be fair to say that at 0:54:23.510 --> 0:54:26.670 this point the Raiders most likely won't keep three quarterbacks 0:54:26.710 --> 0:54:29.140 and tonight is a showcase game for Aiden O'Connell? 0:54:31.150 --> 0:54:32.989 I think it's still very much on the table that 0:54:33.010 --> 0:54:35.150 they keep three quarterbacks. I don't know if that decision 0:54:35.170 --> 0:54:36.969 has been made yet. That being said, I think if 0:54:36.989 --> 0:54:39.589 there's a trade that they like, there's teams that could 0:54:39.690 --> 0:54:42.420 use a backup quarterback for sure. And Aiden O'Connell has 0:54:42.460 --> 0:54:45.239 proven to be very capable of that. He's got 17 0:54:45.239 --> 0:54:47.339 games of starter experience. He was smooth the other night. 0:54:47.380 --> 0:54:49.799 Like you mentioned, he's been through a lot of ups 0:54:49.860 --> 0:54:51.640 and downs in his career, being a part of this 0:54:51.660 --> 0:54:53.720 franchise the last few years in the state, even keel 0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:55.589 and put himself in the, you know. 0:54:55.610 --> 0:54:57.070 The best, best positions possible. 0:54:57.110 --> 0:55:00.390 I think it all goes according to plan, right? 0:55:00.410 --> 0:55:01.470 For all the parties involved. 0:55:01.489 --> 0:55:04.630 This is a one year deal for Kirk cousins, Fernando 0:55:04.650 --> 0:55:07.509 Mendoza's the starter going into 2027, like he's going to 0:55:07.550 --> 0:55:10.870 need a backup and maybe you keep a no panel 0:55:10.910 --> 0:55:14.420 with the, the idea of him being the long-term backup here. 0:55:14.300 --> 0:55:14.860 In Las Vegas. 0:55:14.900 --> 0:55:17.080 I don't think you can rule that out entirely. I 0:55:17.120 --> 0:55:20.160 think there's still a number of ways this thing can 0:55:20.180 --> 0:55:22.620 go now, but, but they're not, they're not just going 0:55:22.640 --> 0:55:24.060 to give them away. They're going to, I think you 0:55:24.080 --> 0:55:26.920 need to find fair value, whatever they find to be fair. 0:55:26.960 --> 0:55:28.360 I don't, I don't exactly know what that is. I 0:55:28.360 --> 0:55:30.700 don't know about the fifth, sixth round pick fourth round pick. 0:55:30.719 --> 0:55:32.759 I don't know what you could necessarily get from at 0:55:32.780 --> 0:55:34.609 this juncture in time, but I do know that he's 0:55:34.680 --> 0:55:39.150 a solid, solid, steady, reliable backup quarterback that has had 0:55:39.170 --> 0:55:42.310 a quality camp that wants to be a starter in 0:55:42.330 --> 0:55:43.390 the NFL at some point. 0:55:43.410 --> 0:55:45.430 So maybe, you know, in his mind there, it doesn't 0:55:45.469 --> 0:55:46.609 make sense to, you. 0:55:46.570 --> 0:55:48.790 Know, to sign or be the long-term backup here in 0:55:48.989 --> 0:55:51.040 Las Vegas. Maybe there is an opportunity out there where 0:55:51.060 --> 0:55:53.660 he can play his way into a starting position somewhere else. 0:55:53.719 --> 0:55:57.200 But I think it's still a showcase game for him 0:55:57.219 --> 0:56:00.870 tonight or not. Like there's still short of a fair offer. 0:56:00.890 --> 0:56:02.830 I think there's still a chance that the Raiders, you know, 0:56:02.850 --> 0:56:04.730 keep three quarterbacks going into the season. You can always 0:56:04.770 --> 0:56:06.969 potentially move him. In the middle of the season, if 0:56:06.989 --> 0:56:09.420 Fernando Mendoza is out there earlier and Kirk Cousins is 0:56:09.930 --> 0:56:12.239 the backup and they feel good about that situation, not 0:56:12.280 --> 0:56:14.900 necessarily something they have to figure out in terms of 0:56:14.940 --> 0:56:19.160 his future right now. But yeah, if the pick is right, 0:56:19.239 --> 0:56:23.580 if there's the right value, I'd say more likely than 0:56:23.620 --> 0:56:26.380 not that they keep two quarterbacks, but they're not going 0:56:26.440 --> 0:56:27.000 to give them away. 0:56:27.040 --> 0:56:29.620 So that lends itself to the possibility of there being three. 0:56:30.070 --> 0:56:31.670 And last one for you, Sam, just real quick. You 0:56:31.710 --> 0:56:33.629 covered the Warriors back in the day. You also covered 0:56:33.650 --> 0:56:36.379 the Minnesota Timberwolves. How do you envision John the Kaminga 0:56:36.390 --> 0:56:37.800 fitting in with the Minnesota Timberwolves? 0:56:39.440 --> 0:56:40.540 Yeah, that's a great question. 0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:43.759 I think he's a great fit, a great fit for 0:56:43.800 --> 0:56:44.200 what they. 0:56:44.100 --> 0:56:44.460 Want to do. 0:56:44.540 --> 0:56:48.000 It's a totally different brand of basketball and stylistic archetype. 0:56:48.090 --> 0:56:51.310 And he fits in with, you know, they're a downhill 0:56:51.330 --> 0:56:55.350 team with length and that defensive culture with Rudy Gobert 0:56:55.390 --> 0:56:57.530 back there and Jade McDaniels and a lot of athletes 0:56:57.570 --> 0:57:00.330 and a lot of wings. And he is going to 0:57:00.350 --> 0:57:03.719 get a real runway at the four spot with a 0:57:04.340 --> 0:57:06.180 team that wants him. I mean, you see in the 0:57:06.200 --> 0:57:09.720 reports that Anthony Edwards was heavily involved in his recruitment. 0:57:09.739 --> 0:57:12.700 He's been down there playing pickup basketball with J McDaniels 0:57:12.780 --> 0:57:15.299 and Chris Finch and Tim Conley got a look up 0:57:15.400 --> 0:57:19.110 close at what Jonathan Kaminga did in the Western conference semifinals, 0:57:19.780 --> 0:57:21.189 you know, going on a year and a half ago 0:57:21.230 --> 0:57:23.790 now pulled off the bench, not playing in the Houston 0:57:23.830 --> 0:57:28.270 series and score getting buckets efficiently against the top level defense. 0:57:28.290 --> 0:57:30.330 Like they clearly liked what they saw. 0:57:30.350 --> 0:57:33.360 I think he's going to be in a position where 0:57:33.380 --> 0:57:35.200 he's going to have a real guaranteed role for the 0:57:35.240 --> 0:57:37.740 first time in his career. And he wants to be 0:57:37.760 --> 0:57:39.640 a part of a winning environment. He left money on 0:57:39.660 --> 0:57:41.460 the table to go to LA. He left the city 0:57:41.500 --> 0:57:44.180 of Los Angeles on the table to go to Minneapolis, 0:57:44.220 --> 0:57:46.960 which that's probably a first in, in, in terrible of 0:57:47.000 --> 0:57:50.000 history and, and the opportunities there for him, the fits 0:57:50.020 --> 0:57:50.470 there for him. 0:57:50.500 --> 0:57:52.000 I think he's going to be able to play to 0:57:52.040 --> 0:57:52.440 his strengths. 0:57:53.120 --> 0:57:55.200 Get up and down in transition with a mellow ball 0:57:55.240 --> 0:57:58.160 leading with, with, with pace. He's going to be in 0:57:58.180 --> 0:57:59.580 a position where he's going to be able to defend 0:57:59.600 --> 0:58:01.840 with versatility. And he's going to have a backstop or 0:58:01.880 --> 0:58:04.300 a seven, two backstopper. That's still one of the best 0:58:04.360 --> 0:58:06.370 room protectors in the league. So I think it's a 0:58:06.390 --> 0:58:09.150 great fit. The wolves needed somebody to, you know, to, 0:58:09.170 --> 0:58:11.750 to man, the four spot he's going to, He fits 0:58:11.770 --> 0:58:12.350 their identity. 0:58:12.370 --> 0:58:13.990 He fits what they want to do stylistically. 0:58:14.030 --> 0:58:16.950 And it's an opportunity for him to maximize a real 0:58:16.950 --> 0:58:20.240 30 minute a game role that he's never had in 0:58:20.280 --> 0:58:23.060 his career, potentially turn that into a payday in Minnesota 0:58:23.100 --> 0:58:23.720 and somewhere else. 0:58:23.820 --> 0:58:25.600 And, you know, he signed the deal. The Wolves are 0:58:25.640 --> 0:58:28.620 giving him the opportunity. Now it's on him to do 0:58:28.660 --> 0:58:29.030 the rest. 0:58:29.740 --> 0:58:33.070 And put those tools that we saw flash throughout his 0:58:33.130 --> 0:58:35.730 tenure at the Bay to maximize those tools in a 0:58:35.770 --> 0:58:38.810 situation where there's championship expectations in Minnesota, where they feel 0:58:38.830 --> 0:58:40.050 like they can compete for the title. 0:58:40.330 --> 0:58:41.850 They want him to be a part of the calculus. 0:58:42.490 --> 0:58:43.340 I'm excited to see it. 0:58:43.350 --> 0:58:45.550 I think Tim rules with the changes they made, the 0:58:45.570 --> 0:58:48.470 stylistic brand of basketball with a mellow ball at the 0:58:48.510 --> 0:58:50.450 helm and Anthony Edwards next to him are going to be, 0:58:50.470 --> 0:58:52.280 you know, box office next year. And one of the, 0:58:52.410 --> 0:58:54.450 one of the top teams in the NBA and uh, 0:58:54.490 --> 0:58:56.540 it's a great opportunity for him, but it definitely is 0:58:56.620 --> 0:58:58.660 on him to show what he hasn't showed yet in 0:58:58.680 --> 0:58:59.439 his NBA career. 0:58:59.460 --> 0:59:01.460 And that's consistency, uh, for. 0:59:01.440 --> 0:59:04.180 An 82 game season, doing things, doing things that, uh, 0:59:04.490 --> 0:59:05.090 that drive winning. 0:59:05.110 --> 0:59:07.810 That's our old friend, Sam Gordon catches work on the 0:59:07.890 --> 0:59:09.480 Raiders in the Las Vegas Review-Journal. 0:59:09.520 --> 0:59:10.520 Sam, thanks for catching up, man. 0:59:11.900 --> 0:59:13.780 Anytime, fellas. Appreciate you guys. 0:59:13.820 --> 0:59:16.100 Enjoy the game tonight and definitely can't wait to catch 0:59:16.180 --> 0:59:18.500 up the second weekend in November. I've had that trip 0:59:19.160 --> 0:59:20.740 circled since I got back to Vegas. It's going to 0:59:20.760 --> 0:59:22.110 be a great one and looking forward to seeing you 0:59:22.120 --> 0:59:22.800 guys in person. 0:59:23.550 --> 0:59:25.070 Looking forward to it, Sam. Thanks as always, man. 0:59:25.090 --> 0:59:27.990 You catch that interview that just happened on theesportsleader.com or 0:59:28.010 --> 0:59:28.830 theesportsleader app. 0:59:28.850 --> 0:59:31.360 Always good talking to Sam. There was one thing, though, 0:59:31.390 --> 0:59:33.540 I'll say, though, and I understand. And by the way, 0:59:33.570 --> 0:59:34.950 he's a great guest because he can talk. 0:59:35.150 --> 0:59:35.430 Oh, yeah. 0:59:35.570 --> 0:59:37.189 And, you know, people who do this for a living, 0:59:37.210 --> 0:59:39.110 we like people who can talk and have good content 0:59:39.190 --> 0:59:39.550 like that. 0:59:39.670 --> 0:59:40.870 I like to stay silent sometimes. 0:59:43.150 --> 0:59:46.740 This whole thing about having a good front office structure. Well, 0:59:46.840 --> 0:59:49.720 Tom Brady hiring his friend from Michigan, Spy Tech. 0:59:50.120 --> 0:59:52.000 You keep saying that you don't like this guy, huh? 0:59:52.320 --> 0:59:55.140 I'm just saying, what are the results? The worst team 0:59:55.200 --> 0:59:57.990 in football. the worst team in football. Now they've done 0:59:58.050 --> 1:00:01.770 so many smart things. They signed Linderbaum like the draft 1:00:01.810 --> 1:00:05.300 so far, but I'm just saying, I've seen these false Dawns, 1:00:05.610 --> 1:00:08.800 you know, and it's hard sometimes with my fellow Raider fans, 1:00:08.860 --> 1:00:11.419 because they're so myopic. They always think that the Raiders 1:00:11.440 --> 1:00:12.600 are going to win the super bowl every year. And 1:00:12.620 --> 1:00:14.300 that's why after the draft, I remember I caught so 1:00:14.340 --> 1:00:17.100 much heat because I said, why would they drive Damon Arnett, 1:00:17.140 --> 1:00:18.360 a guy who hates football? 1:00:18.760 --> 1:00:21.140 And they're like, Oh, he's great. When they were going to, 1:00:21.140 --> 1:00:21.800 he loves guns. 1:00:22.160 --> 1:00:22.400 Yeah. 1:00:22.680 --> 1:00:26.180 Um, there was TJ watt and Jabril peppers on the board. 1:00:26.590 --> 1:00:28.390 And I was like, please, please, T.J. 1:00:28.410 --> 1:00:28.570 Watt. 1:00:28.850 --> 1:00:31.730 No, Garyon Conley, who was accused of gang rape. 1:00:31.990 --> 1:00:32.229 Yeah. 1:00:32.770 --> 1:00:33.490 Yeah, that was. 1:00:33.670 --> 1:00:35.880 So it's just I'm not saying any of those things 1:00:35.900 --> 1:00:39.440 will happen again, but I'm just saying I'm so pessimistic. 1:00:40.000 --> 1:00:41.920 And I saw them. I went to a Super Bowl 1:00:41.940 --> 1:00:44.950 that they've won. So I've seen the glory days. I'm 1:00:45.010 --> 1:00:46.930 glad I've been to the mountaintop. And I appreciate Raider 1:00:46.990 --> 1:00:49.970 fans who've never seen them do jack. I really respect them. 1:00:50.670 --> 1:00:52.990 But this whole thing about, oh, look at all these 1:00:53.070 --> 1:00:56.740 clean-cut dudes. You are the worst team in football, Holmes. 1:00:56.980 --> 1:01:00.520 You got Carroll and you got Geno Smith and you 1:01:00.540 --> 1:01:01.380 thought that would work. 1:01:01.900 --> 1:01:05.320 So, I like Mendoza. I like Kirk Cousins. I'm just saying, 1:01:05.360 --> 1:01:07.500 we all like it right now. But to say, oh, 1:01:07.560 --> 1:01:09.890 now they've got a good structure. No, you don't. 1:01:10.270 --> 1:01:13.670 Your structure was the worst team in football last year. So, 1:01:13.730 --> 1:01:16.090 you don't have a good structure yet. 1:01:16.810 --> 1:01:17.169 All right. 1:01:17.250 --> 1:01:19.250 Well, I'll ask you more about this with the expectations 1:01:19.270 --> 1:01:21.880 with the Raiders and and the 49ers later on in 1:01:21.920 --> 1:01:24.360 the show. But when Rick's doing the show with us, 1:01:24.390 --> 1:01:26.950 we got to have some fun. And no Adam Copeland today. 1:01:27.010 --> 1:01:30.030 He's doing the show from Tim Webb's apartment. You know, 1:01:30.050 --> 1:01:31.890 Tim's got a turtle that he's been caring for for 1:01:31.930 --> 1:01:32.750 about 20 years now. 1:01:33.050 --> 1:01:35.160 He calls him Oatmeal. He's part of the broadcast. I 1:01:35.180 --> 1:01:37.350 thought you were just kidding. They really are in his apartment? Oh, no, 1:01:37.380 --> 1:01:39.620 I'm not even kidding. They're literally at Tim's apartment doing 1:01:39.640 --> 1:01:39.939 the show. 1:01:41.160 --> 1:01:43.340 I know that you guys got me today. How bottom 1:01:43.380 --> 1:01:45.060 of the barrel is KMBR right now? 1:01:45.520 --> 1:01:47.040 Oh, well, come on. Just look around here, dude. 1:01:48.050 --> 1:01:50.090 But yeah, they're doing the show live from Tim's apartment, 1:01:50.110 --> 1:01:52.310 so they're doing the broadcast there. But Tim had to 1:01:52.330 --> 1:01:55.330 come back here because he left something behind. It was 1:01:55.370 --> 1:01:57.490 this potato sack looking thing. And on the side, it's 1:01:57.510 --> 1:01:59.530 got this initials. Maybe it's initialism. 1:01:59.990 --> 1:02:02.320 It's the NBA grab bag. NBA grab bag. 1:02:02.340 --> 1:02:02.640 That's right. 1:02:02.660 --> 1:02:04.280 We're doing it twice in one 1:02:04.340 --> 1:02:07.820 Week with Rick Tittle, Derek Papa, Dirty Work on the 1:02:07.840 --> 1:02:08.360 Esports Leader.