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Speaker 2: win the second game of a three game series, one
Speaker 2: and nothing. They shut out the Guardians one run, seven hits,
Speaker 2: one era for the Giants, no run, six hits and
Speaker 2: no airs for the Cleveland Guardians. The wind goes to
Speaker 2: Adrian Hauser. He's four and seven. He went five innings
Speaker 2: and Dylan Smith gets his third save of the year,
Speaker 2: agoing two innings, punching out five. Great pitching performance by
Speaker 2: the San Francisco Giants. Joining me now you can read
Speaker 2: his great work at sf Gate. Let's welcome and Dave
Speaker 2: tobn Er Dave, how worry tonight?
Speaker 1: Ill doing? Good? Bill, Nice crisp, well played game. You
Speaker 1: haven't got a lot of those this year, So that
Speaker 1: was that was a nice change of pace.
Speaker 2: Well, the tugboat era is here. They had a great,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of a reception. They really didn't announce
Speaker 2: anything yesterday, and of course this morning they announced that
Speaker 2: he was coming up and getting the start today. You
Speaker 2: and I were texting each other pretty much throughout the game.
Speaker 2: Matt Wilkinson, twenty three year old left hander. When you
Speaker 2: start looking at when he got drafted and how he
Speaker 2: signed with the Cleveland Guardians, and here he gets his
Speaker 2: major league bad baseball debut against the team that he
Speaker 2: really thought was going to get him to the big leagues.
Speaker 2: What did you think an overall picture on him today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty cool story. You know, there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of guys that number one look like him in the
Speaker 1: big leagues anymore. And there's not a lot of pictures
Speaker 1: that throw like him, you know, and he doesn't overpower guys.
Speaker 1: He's a bigger guy, but you know, he sits at
Speaker 1: eighty nine ninety one miles an hour on his fastball.
Speaker 1: So you know, I thought he did well considering you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he was nervous. He got behind a lot
Speaker 1: of the hitters that he faced, but he managed to
Speaker 1: work out of it. And yeah, I kind of I
Speaker 1: would like to have seen him go one more inning,
Speaker 1: maybe get one turn around the lineup and see what
Speaker 1: he could do. But I understand, you know, what they were,
Speaker 1: what they had set up for him, and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe they see him as more of a long man
Speaker 1: in the future or a fifth starter and just wanted
Speaker 1: to get his feet wet. And I found even great.
Speaker 1: I mean, what more could you ask for from him?
Speaker 2: Well, Dave, I liked how he got the ball inside.
Speaker 2: A couple of those pop ups, one a Kavanaugh one
Speaker 2: that costs he jammed him, and he jammed him. Well
Speaker 2: even on that bass hit he gave up. That was
Speaker 2: on the guy's hands. I like that out of him.
Speaker 2: As you said, he doesn't bring a lot of velocity.
Speaker 2: Maybe ninety one ninety he was there. He threw a
Speaker 2: couple of sliders, a couple of change ups, nothing to
Speaker 2: a point where you were like, wow, that was a
Speaker 2: great breaking ball. But he got his feet wet. He
Speaker 2: got to the big leagues. His family and friends were there,
Speaker 2: and that's the baseball story. I love.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, like you said, jamming guys inside,
Speaker 1: and you know, control and placement are going to be
Speaker 1: huge for him because he's, like you said, he's not
Speaker 1: overpowering anybody. So it was nice to see. You know,
Speaker 1: it was a good story in a season that really
Speaker 1: hasn't had a lot of happy stories for the Giants.
Speaker 1: We got to take everything we can get, so it
Speaker 1: was it was very cool. You know, the one piece
Speaker 1: coming over in the Bailey trade and making his debut
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, you know, where he thought he was going
Speaker 1: to eventually play anyway. So good story. You know, we
Speaker 1: need more of those in the in the dog days here.
Speaker 2: Well, Patrick Bailey had a chance runner out first base
Speaker 2: winning run at home. He came up to the bat,
Speaker 2: but Dylan Smith just went right at him, throw about
Speaker 2: a ninety seven mile an hour fastball. He didn't even
Speaker 2: swing at it, strike three. Pretty impressive what the Giants
Speaker 2: did on the mound today. And of course Patrick Bailey's
Speaker 2: walking back to the dugout hanging his hat, hanging his bat,
Speaker 2: and he ended up striking out to lose that game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how about Dylan Smith. I mean he nicks out
Speaker 1: save and coming in and you know, immediately having around
Speaker 1: second with nobody out and striking out the side. And boy,
Speaker 1: he looks like he can handle the handle the late innings.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's a closer per se, but
Speaker 1: seventh inny eighth inning, guy, I think, you know, he's
Speaker 1: making a name for himself in a case to be
Speaker 1: an arm that they count on either next year or
Speaker 1: whenever they play baseball again. But you know, that's the
Speaker 1: important thing about the rest of this year. They have
Speaker 1: to see what they have in some of these guys
Speaker 1: and whether they can be long term contributors to see,
Speaker 1: you know, where they have to shore things up and
Speaker 1: where they have to add. So, you know, making a
Speaker 1: name for himself and coming in and being able to
Speaker 1: shut things down like that, it can. It's a great
Speaker 1: sign that he might have the mentality for late inning work.
Speaker 1: Not everybody has that.
Speaker 2: The one thing that I said earlier Dave was now
Speaker 2: Tony Vitello's got to set him for a day, don't
Speaker 2: push him tomorrow. He did that last time and he
Speaker 2: came into a game and he didn't have that closing stuff.
Speaker 2: This is where he's got to learn the bullpen. Okay,
Speaker 2: Dylan Smith, you're off today, say in Boston, you're not
Speaker 2: pitching it all today. Give him the day off. That's
Speaker 2: how you regulate the bullpen. Bruce Bochi was a master
Speaker 2: at that. You gave me your best. You threw thirty pitches,
Speaker 2: twenty two for strikes. Nice job. Take a rest tomorrow.
Speaker 2: You're not in there, and I'm hoping he sees that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, especially now when they're not playing for
Speaker 1: anything except pride. You know, they don't need him to
Speaker 1: come in and shut a game down, you know, because
Speaker 1: they can gain a game in the standings, or they're
Speaker 1: trying to hold off somebody from gaining on them. You know,
Speaker 1: this is just a warm up or a showcase for
Speaker 1: next year, really, so you know, I hope you're right.
Speaker 1: I hope he's kind of learned a little bit as
Speaker 1: he's gone about bullpen management and when the shut guys
Speaker 1: down for a day or two and he's earned it,
Speaker 1: I mean, a six, six out stave like that, he
Speaker 1: can take a day off and keep his head up
Speaker 1: to that. That was an incredible performance tonight.
Speaker 2: Well, Adrian hous are sure making a point of being
Speaker 2: a starting pitcher. And I think you heard my numbers earlier.
Speaker 2: Sixteen innings in three the last games, only giving up
Speaker 2: one to earn a run, twelve hits, twelve strikeouts, four walks. Boy,
Speaker 2: he was electric today. A fastball ninety seven. At times
Speaker 2: he threw forty two fastballs, twenty two sinkers. The movement
Speaker 2: on his sinker going away and a righty pulling it
Speaker 2: on the outside corner. Then he would throw that same
Speaker 2: pitch to a lefty in on his hands, a good
Speaker 2: change up. He only threw ten, but the three pitch
Speaker 2: mix with the fastball, sinker and change up he kept
Speaker 2: him off stride. Six ground ball outs, six fly ball outs,
Speaker 2: eleven first pitch strikes to twenty hitters. I really believe
Speaker 2: he wants to start, and he's sure showing signs that
Speaker 2: he should.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean, it's unfortunate that it took
Speaker 1: huntil August to show those signs, but you know, I
Speaker 1: agree with you. You know, he's showing why he looks like
Speaker 1: a guy that they were hoping they'd get when they
Speaker 1: gave that track to him last last winter. It took
Speaker 1: him a while to get there, and you know, everybody
Speaker 1: knows the struggles he had and being demoted to the
Speaker 1: bullpen and everything like that. But you know, he seems
Speaker 1: to have found something and you hope that it's it's
Speaker 1: something that he can repeat, because you know, he's he's
Speaker 1: not going where he's making a lot of money relative
Speaker 1: to what the Giants like to spend. He's going to
Speaker 1: be part of the rotation or as a long man.
Speaker 1: You know, you hope he's part of the rotation. You're
Speaker 1: paying him to be part of the rotation. So if
Speaker 1: it's something that he can repeat and something that he
Speaker 1: can you know, be consistent with, Yeah, the Giants have
Speaker 1: to be excited about it because the rotation outside of
Speaker 1: Web is a complete mystery and a compete, complete question
Speaker 1: mark going into the next season. So yeah, anybody that
Speaker 1: can come in and establish themselves is going to It's
Speaker 1: a blessing for the Giants because it's one less thing
Speaker 1: that they'll have to address this winter.
Speaker 2: Well the other thing too, Dave, you don't have to
Speaker 2: be a number two or number three as long as
Speaker 2: he's in a five man rotation, and he could be
Speaker 2: a three or four depending on what Land and Roop does.
Speaker 2: If he gets his act together, he's got electric stuff.
Speaker 2: And you're so right. I mean, what does this team
Speaker 2: have in starting pitching? Blade Tidwell throws two good games,
Speaker 2: his last game walk five. Carson Wizenhunt really has gone
Speaker 2: backwards in my eyes. He threw the ball so well
Speaker 2: coming up, and he threw the ball well in Sacramento.
Speaker 2: Then you have Adrian Houser. What what can you do
Speaker 2: with this staff? There isn't much to do. There isn't
Speaker 2: many guys out there, and I'm right with you. With
Speaker 2: with Matt Wilkinson, I think the biggest problem that's going
Speaker 2: to have in the big leagues is the second and
Speaker 2: third time when lineups come around on him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, when you don't have any when you
Speaker 1: don't have the stuff to overpower guys, it's tough seeing
Speaker 1: a lineup twice, especially, you know, the better lineups, they're
Speaker 1: going to adjust to that in a in a in
Speaker 1: a staff unless you can, unless you're Greg Maddis. I
Speaker 1: mean even when Greg Maddicks young, he was thrown in
Speaker 1: the high nineties. But unless you can spot the ball
Speaker 1: like a great Mannix, you know, you have to kind
Speaker 1: of rely on some luck, some some hit ball luck
Speaker 1: and some you know, being able to place the ball
Speaker 1: where he want place it. And it seems like he's
Speaker 1: a guy that maybe can get through a lineup once
Speaker 1: twice if you're lucky. What does that mean Is that
Speaker 1: a four inning guy? Is that a right three or
Speaker 1: five inning guy? You know, it's hard to say, but
Speaker 1: they have another month and a half to kind of
Speaker 1: figure that out and see where he is. And you know,
Speaker 1: he's on the forty man now, so they have to
Speaker 1: decide if he's worth keeping on the forty man and
Speaker 1: you know they have just like going into last offseason
Speaker 1: when the bulltend needed work and they needed a couple
Speaker 1: of starters, they have the exact same issues this time.
Speaker 1: So we'll see if Posey and Manesian learned any any
Speaker 1: lessons from this season when they when they actually do
Speaker 1: have to go sign some guys.
Speaker 2: Well, I said it a few times on the show.
Speaker 2: The next start for the tug Boat would be Monday
Speaker 2: in the first home game against Cincinnati. How cool will
Speaker 2: that be for that crowd to get in there and
Speaker 2: give him a tug Boat welcome And we'll see if
Speaker 2: he stays in a rotation. I would love to see that.
Speaker 2: Dave Toltner joining me on the Sports Funk KMBRE on
Speaker 2: a Wednesday. You can read his work at sf Gait
Speaker 2: does a great job covering the Giants. A Victor Barracota
Speaker 2: got a start in left field, made one hell of
Speaker 2: a play diving at the ball, made some great affield catches.
Speaker 2: He ended up getting the game winner. He got the
Speaker 2: game winning RBI with the base hit after Eldritch and
Speaker 2: Adamas flew out and Raphael Devers was standing on third
Speaker 2: with two outs and he came up with the clutch
Speaker 2: base hit. What do you see in Victor Bearracota moving forward?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, we've talked about him before, and like
Speaker 1: I said, he really reminds me a lot of Elliott
Speaker 1: Ramos in a way, the same way they play. You know,
Speaker 1: he's similar hitter. Obviously hasn't had the success that Ramos
Speaker 1: has had, but you know, he seems to be like
Speaker 1: he's got thetential to at least be a contributor. You know,
Speaker 1: they made that great play and left today, uh saved
Speaker 1: a couple of runs, save the game, won the game
Speaker 1: with his bat, and won the game with his glove. Really,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's exciting to see a guy like that,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of an unheralded guy coming up. I
Speaker 1: didn't really hear a lot about him, but you know,
Speaker 1: he's he's done enough. I think to get some some
Speaker 1: run down the down the stretch here and and see
Speaker 1: if he might be able to at least be a
Speaker 1: platoon bat. You know, if if him and Gilbert can
Speaker 1: form a lefty righty platoon, you know that that might
Speaker 1: work out best for both of them. But he's he's
Speaker 1: an exciting player. You know, he's a He's a guy
Speaker 1: that you want to see more of, and I think
Speaker 1: his emergence was one of the reasons why they were
Speaker 1: comfortable in training Ramos. You know, I know they've got
Speaker 1: they've got other guys in the system who they have
Speaker 1: a lot of high hopes for outfielders. But you know,
Speaker 1: he's a little unheralded guy, but he seems like he
Speaker 1: can be a contributor.
Speaker 2: Well, Dave, you and I were talking about Willie Thomas.
Speaker 2: He got scratched with a back issue and we just
Speaker 2: didn't know if he was going to go on the
Speaker 2: IL if there was just a couple of days taken off.
Speaker 2: And he started today and I was glad to see him,
Speaker 2: and he had a nice three for four game, and
Speaker 2: he made a nice play and then of course he
Speaker 2: a tough spin. I think that's where he made the
Speaker 2: error off of but he didn't come in to get it.
Speaker 2: It's good to see him out there, but how long
Speaker 2: are we going to see him, possibly with this lower backstrain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I don't think it's a coincidence that
Speaker 1: he had one of his better games in a while
Speaker 1: after he had some time off, So maybe that kind
Speaker 1: of tells him something you know, it might not be
Speaker 1: bad enough to shut him down for the rest of
Speaker 1: the year, but you know, maybe he misses. You know,
Speaker 1: he plays one, takes one off, plays two, takes two off.
Speaker 1: You know, it's I think he's got too much pride
Speaker 1: and he wants to be in there, and you know,
Speaker 1: he's had it down. Yere's no other way to say it.
Speaker 1: He's had a really disappointing year. And you know, I
Speaker 1: think I hope that bothers him a little bit. I
Speaker 1: get the impression that it does, but I hope it does,
Speaker 1: because you know, you never want to not live up
Speaker 1: to to the expectations and to the contract that he signed.
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, I think rested him well,
Speaker 1: and I think hopefully he realizes that. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think he's still going to I don't think they're
Speaker 1: going to shut him down by any means, but I
Speaker 1: think you're going to see a little bit less of
Speaker 1: him than he normally would well Dave.
Speaker 2: After tomorrow, the Giants go to Boston for a weekend series.
Speaker 2: Of course, some conversation tonight on a few calls about
Speaker 2: what is Raphael Dever's going to have? Is he going
Speaker 2: to have a standing ovation. Are there not going to
Speaker 2: be liking him or is he going to have boo
Speaker 2: birds coming at him? What's your thoughts about Raffie going
Speaker 2: back into Boston.
Speaker 1: Oh, you know, I hope they cheer for him. You know,
Speaker 1: he was on a World Series Winner. You know, he
Speaker 1: came up through their system and he was a young
Speaker 1: guy who really performed well for the Red Sox. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was one of the best hitters in the American
Speaker 1: League when he was there. And I know that the
Speaker 1: his exit wasn't it was a little acrimonious. It wasn't
Speaker 1: as it wasn't what they intended or what they had
Speaker 1: hoped it would be. But you know, I hope they
Speaker 1: at least give him a nice ovation. They can brew
Speaker 1: him after that. But I think we should acknowledge, you
Speaker 1: know what what he helped the acknowledged at least at
Speaker 1: least what he did for the franchise. And you know,
Speaker 1: he was a big part of that World Series Winner
Speaker 1: when he was what nineteen or twenty years old. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I think I think they'll I think they'll
Speaker 1: welcome him back, and I hope so, you know, I
Speaker 1: think there was some bad blood between him and the
Speaker 1: and the organization. But I never heard him, you know,
Speaker 1: say a bad word about the fan base there, so
Speaker 1: I hope he does. You never like to see anybody
Speaker 1: that played that well for a team get booed when
Speaker 1: he comes back, so I think they'll do the right thing.
Speaker 2: Well. The Giants pitch Matt Wilkinson today against the Cleveland Guardians,
Speaker 2: a team they traded for him. Now are we going
Speaker 2: to see Marcella Meyer? Are we going to see him
Speaker 2: up now? When he goes to Boston, Because I think
Speaker 2: that would be a great homecoming because there's no question
Speaker 2: he watched but a Giants uniform and perform well, and.
Speaker 1: That he might get booed. They might not be forgiving
Speaker 1: him so you know the comments he made that he
Speaker 1: that he can't wait to play in San Francisco and
Speaker 1: he wanted to be on the West coast and all that,
Speaker 1: so they might not take too too kindly to that.
Speaker 1: But uh, that would be a very cool story, wouldn't it.
Speaker 1: I mean that his first his debut with the Giants
Speaker 1: back at Fenway, and Eric Miller's been killing it for
Speaker 1: them over there. He's you know, he's he's pitching really
Speaker 1: well for them, So it would be really nice to
Speaker 1: h to see the piece they got back for him. Uh,
Speaker 1: kind of make his debut and show what they what
Speaker 1: they have in him. You know, he's a total lottery ticket.
Speaker 1: But you know when you have when you have the
Speaker 1: opportunity to get a guy like that for a relief
Speaker 1: pitcher who probably doesn't fit into your long term plans,
Speaker 1: you know, that's an easy call every single time. So
Speaker 1: that would be a really cool story. You know. I
Speaker 1: hope he does, and I hope he he kind of
Speaker 1: sticks it to him a little bit.
Speaker 2: A few more minutes with Dave Tomer. You can follow
Speaker 2: him on x at GG Giants does a great job
Speaker 2: about talking giants and a lot of different feelings. He
Speaker 2: feels for a lot of players, And I think I
Speaker 2: want to jump into this last point Dave Land and Roupe.
Speaker 2: A lot of hurdles he's got to get through, and
Speaker 2: there's always that one inning where he throws thirty thirty
Speaker 2: five pitches and it just kind of upsets him. He
Speaker 2: doesn't challenge the hitters. A big game for him tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I really believe this start he's got to shake this.
Speaker 2: And Dave Fleming and Hovey said that they talk to him,
Speaker 2: you know, in the clubhouse, and he's worked really hard
Speaker 2: and trying to be more aggressive, and I think that's
Speaker 2: what you want to see out of these pitchers. You know,
Speaker 2: three three ball counts. He leads a major league baseball
Speaker 2: with that. That's not a stat you're proud of, No.
Speaker 1: Not at all. And you know it's you know, like
Speaker 1: we were just talking about the rotation, so many question
Speaker 1: marks that this is the chance for someone like him
Speaker 1: to come in and really take it by the take
Speaker 1: by the reins and make a name for yourself and
Speaker 1: lock down that rotation spot. And you know, his last
Speaker 1: you know, I know, he gave up a run against Detroit,
Speaker 1: but he only lasted what five and a third I think,
Speaker 1: and then you know, five and two thirds against Colorado,
Speaker 1: didn't even go five innings against the Padres. And before that,
Speaker 1: I think it was Milwaukee and he didn't even go
Speaker 1: four innings then. So you know, he's it's been a
Speaker 1: really up and down season for him. He looked like
Speaker 1: an All Star in the beginning, and then he fell off,
Speaker 1: and then he came back again, and he fell off again.
Speaker 1: So too inconsistent. You'd like to see a little more consistency.
Speaker 1: From a guy like that, especially if you're going to
Speaker 1: count on him to take up one of those rotation
Speaker 1: spots next year or whenever they play again. So yeah,
Speaker 1: big start for him tomorrow, and you know it's you
Speaker 1: hope that he makes those adjustments. He seems like a
Speaker 1: very a fiery kind of guy, and you know you
Speaker 1: have to wonder if his emotions get the best of
Speaker 1: him sometimes maybe that's what he has to work on
Speaker 1: and really overcome. But it's a big start from tomorrow, so.
Speaker 2: I really think so never really do and I think
Speaker 2: it's a good game to gage Chaman and move forward
Speaker 2: and we'll definitely find out. But Dave, thanks again for
Speaker 2: joining me on a Wednesday night. It's always a pleasure
Speaker 2: talking to my friend.
Speaker 1: Always a pleasure talking to me after a win. Bill
Speaker 1: very rare.
Speaker 2: I'll take it, all right, Dave, have a good night,
Speaker 2: all right. Coming up next, I sat down with my
Speaker 2: producer ralf and the end of May, after Matt Wilkinson
Speaker 2: the tugboat got traded over here, I did an interview
Speaker 2: with him in Richmond and to get to know Matt
Speaker 2: Wilkinson a little bit more, we're going to play that
Speaker 2: interview coming up next. Bill Laski talking to the tug
Speaker 2: boat as he got traded over to Richmond about a
Speaker 2: week after that. That's coming up next right here on
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