WEBVTT - Jack Really Loves Poutine. 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:11.080 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:12.800 Washington Broadcast. 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:15.120 Center, Jack Armstrong Show, Katty. 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:28.880 Armstrong and Getty and now he is Armstrong and Yetty, Hey, 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:34.479 how are you doing? Always love talking to Tim Sanderfer. 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:37.200 We just wrapped up a conversation. If you just tune 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:40.040 it in or whatever, grab it via podcast Armstrong and 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:44.120 Getty on demand about his book, And I mentioned one 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:47.480 of his previous books, The Permission Society, which he put 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:52.240 out in twenty sixteen, was inspired by conversations on this 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:58.960 show and honored to have inspired anything good to happen 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:02.240 on Earth. It occurs to me if it's a perfect 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.240 introduction to the freedom loving quote of the day, and 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:09.759 not yet Michael and then Mailbank, because what we talked 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:13.640 about at the time that launched the book was and 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:15.759 I may have come up with this, it doesn't really matter, 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:21.240 but never use the word permit as a noun unless 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:24.520 you think about it as a verb. You're getting a 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:28.720 permit from the county to do this, that or the other. 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:33.240 And it ranges from you know, in parts of rural 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:35.720 Texas where you don't need a permit to do anything 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:40.520 to in your bluer states and cities, and all famously 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:43.560 in the communist enclave where Jack makes his home, you 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:48.560 need a permit to get a new dishwasher for your kitchen, 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:52.360 so they make sure it's up to whatever environmental rules 0:01:52.360 --> 0:02:01.240 and REGs rule that that communist enclave. And the rules 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:06.280 and rags and permits are often well meaning road to 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:10.079 hell paydle good intentions, right, and some of them are 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:13.320 probably either legitimate, even if they go a little too far. 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:20.240 But the problem is you get this web of permissions 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:27.600 for everything you do every day, every use of your land, 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:32.000 every tool you use, every mode of transportation, and sooner 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:35.640 or later that web of well meaning rules and rags 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:41.640 traps you. It becomes the opposite of liberty. And again 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:44.880 a lot of it's well meaning, but it tends to 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:47.360 total up, bit by bit by bit until you're just 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.720 not a free person anymore. And I certainly joined with 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:53.320 Tim and fighting against that sort of thing, which brings 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:57.840 us to the freedom loving quote of the day. And 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:01.200 I'm gonna go with a series from Nikita Krushia, who 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:04.079 was the premiere of the Soviet Union in the fifties 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:08.320 and sixties, I think through nineteen sixty four. He took 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:12.240 power after Stalin, and it was a huge, huge moment 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.560 in the history of Russia and the Soviet Union. And 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:19.800 though he left officer, I think he croaked before I 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:24.800 was born. It was his doctrines that governed the Cold 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:30.880 War to a large extent until Gorbachev and the Deytant 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:34.560 and everything came in. Dayton was a different period, but 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:39.520 when the Soviet Union crumbled, So Krushev was enormously, enormously influential, 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.440 and he was kind of the rule giver that we 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:46.560 Cold warriors grew up with his philosophy. And what's interesting 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.880 and handy about Krushev is he was utterly clear and 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:54.240 open about his plans. And we'll be hitting some of 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:57.640 his quotes for the next couple of week, week or two. Anyway, 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:02.320 we'll lead with this one. You Americans are so gullible. No, 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:05.240 you won't accept communism outright, but we'll keep feeding you 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:08.200 small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.080 find you already have communism. We won't have to fight 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.040 you will, so weaken your economy until you'll fall like 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:24.479 overrighte fruit fruit into our hands. Mailbag. Obviously one of 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:28.040 the reasons that's so appropriate is socialism seems to be 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:31.920 on the march, particularly among the young in college miseducated 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:36.800 in America. These days, Khrushchev's wishes are coming true. And 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:41.320 not to be over dramatic, but I will die fighting them. 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:43.680 Drum Us note mail bag at Armstrong and Getty dot com. 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.560 Let's see David and Campbell says some very nice things 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:50.000 about the show, Thank you, my brother, and he mentions 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.040 that yesterday we played a clip of AOC try and 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:54.800 answer the question about the difference between socialism and communism, 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.920 and she doesn't know the difference, and he says, essentially, 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.840 and this is under Karl Marx's theory handy to know. 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:04.200 I suppose in socialism, the workers control the state. State 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.520 uses its power to take over major industries and the 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:12.239 means of production. And as time passes that utopia ends, 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:16.359 the conflict between the classes and the state is no 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:21.080 longer needed and withers away. Everybody shares and shares alike. 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:25.360 It is truly a utopia. Everyone communicates, there are no 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:30.000 need for even rules. This is communism, the ideal state. 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:35.160 And if you seriously think that will ever happen among 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:38.960 human beings, you need your brain checked, or you need 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:40.280 to get the hell out of the way and let 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:44.640 the adults run things. It's a good explanation encapsulated there. 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:48.960 David appreciate it. Then this from Tim, I love this. 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:52.320 He says, Remember, there's a merit system in communism. People 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:56.839 become really talented at telling on each other. The power 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.480 is in control, controlling the systems. The people who get 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.040 control of the systems, the stores, the gas stations, et cetera, 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:05.840 have the opportunity for corruption that of course comes in communism, 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:08.880 and these are the coveted positions. Of course, it doesn't 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:11.200 matter whether someone's a zell At or real communists. They will, 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:14.160 for the purposes of survival in advancement, become really good 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:16.680 at telling on people, really good at putting people in trouble, 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.320 so they can continue to have that power. That's what 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:22.000 happens in communism. That's why it always fails. That's how 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:24.880 Russia became a criminal gang with the toughest criminal in charge. 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:27.680 The commissars get rich, and it doesn't matter anymore if 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:29.880 the system fails, as long as they stay rich. The 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.200 people that run the store have the food, the people 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:34.560 that run the gas station have fuel. The people that 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:38.840 supervise the distribution of benefits have benefits, and that's all 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:41.400 that matters. You know, I'm going to depart from the 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:46.360 plan here of mail bag and Michael do me a favor. 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:50.600 Let's play Oh where is it? 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:51.080 Ah? 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:57.040 This is instructive. This is the late Charlie Kirk debating 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:00.280 Hassan Piker, and to put up with them yell over 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:01.680 each other for a minute because they get into a 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.440 little bit of substance. In number forty. 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:06.520 Four, why don't you give ninety five percent of your 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:07.960 money away and go live on a communey? 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:09.479 Do you really think that that's how worse? 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:10.320 Do you really think? 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:13.640 Why not worse? Goel? You preach because I every single 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:16.720 pass you uninterrupted for five minutes. Hassan, Let okay, go ahead, 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.120 sorry live You're right what I practice it made me 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:22.040 free market capitalist, I employ people, I took a risk. 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.720 I have my own startup business. Every single day I 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.800 practice what I preach. He wants other people to contribute 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:29.840 to what he considers to be a good idea, what 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.280 he considers will make the world a better place. That 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:34.040 you have the freedom to go live as a socialist, 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:35.320 Go do it. Hassan, what's stopping you? 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.280 Okay, So here's what we'll take it. 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:39.240 In the last point. The last point I will make 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:39.520 is this. 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:44.240 Here's why that conversation is absolutely preposterous. If I gave 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.160 away the measly earnings that I had and gave gave 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.000 away ninety five percent, how much you make that one 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:50.880 necessarily even pushed the needle. 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:57.280 So Hassan Piker's next sentence ought to be so for 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:01.080 my system to work, I needed because I know it's 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:05.960 right to control everybody else and make them give away 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:13.640 what they earn. My system depends entirely not on individual 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:19.160 initiative or consent, or taking risk or investing or building something. 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:25.440 My system depends entirely on controlling people and taking from them. 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:30.360 And yeah, I understand taxation is a similar thing, but 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.680 there's no taxation without the consent of the legislature, at 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:37.480 least in theory in our country. But Hassan Piker, the 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:43.880 darling and left admitted there I need to control everyone 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:48.080 for this system to work. It's a great truism and 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:50.440 piece of wisdom. There are only two ways to get 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:54.840 somebody to work. Number one award or number two the 0:08:54.840 --> 0:09:01.920 fear of punishment, and because socialism eliminates reward for effort, 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:08.440 reward for innovation, reward for risk, reward for outworking everybody else, 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:13.520 people quickly decide, obviously, I'm not gonna work. I'm gonna 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:15.480 get what I get whether I work or not. So 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:20.040 I'm not going to work. Okay, So we've removed reward. 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:26.079 What's left fear of punishment. Hassan Piker's entire system requires 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:30.000 control and punishment of anybody who doesn't go along with 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:33.800 his nefarious plans. Getting back to mailbag, Joe Schmoe of 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:37.520 Bonnie Lake, Washington rights, that's how he signs it. 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:38.640 Oh. 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:44.160 On the topic of the WNBA and the two women 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:49.880 who used to play in the NBA, mister Cantner and 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:55.080 mister White, is that right, yep, yeah right, I'm miss 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.959 miss miss cant and miss White. Because they say they're women, 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:05.600 that makes them women. Trans women are women. But Joe 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:07.720 makes a good point. All the WNBA has to do 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:10.680 is not draft these guys or any other ex NBA 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.080 player because they have to be drafted in order to play. 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:16.560 Because they're not really presenting his trans the trans community 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:19.800 will not be upset that they didn't get drafted, although 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.760 White actually bought a really nice blonde wig. He looks 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:27.000 very comely in it, and three granted to presenting trans 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.200 female with great basketball skills. Were to try out and 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.840 then not get drafted, the league would then have a problem. 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:34.600 So how far. But again, Joe, it's like we were 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:38.360 talking about yesterday. If they were sincerely transgender, well who's 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:45.160 what do we go to the sincere police, the Sincerity League? 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:50.280 Is there a medical test? The whole thing's just absurd. 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:56.600 We're calling their bluff. Go get them, ladies. On the 0:10:56.640 --> 0:11:01.199 topic of Iran, which continues to be a mere full 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:05.520 of quag don in San Jose writes, I don't understand 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:08.360 what Trump keeps opening the door for negotiations quote unquote 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:10.640 with the Ran. It only invites more nonsense requests from them. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:12.720 So we thought saw this last weekend. Why don't we 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:15.559 just give them a declaration like the pot Stem Declaration 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:18.160 of World War Two. It's simple, give up all striving 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:21.520 for nuclear weapons, turnover existing nuclear refinement, open the straits 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:23.839 of hermuvese. There'll be no tolls or threats against the 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:26.720 chipping give up on all terrorism and sport terrorist groups. 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.079 There should be one more recognized Israel. Maybe that's one 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.439 too many. Well down, the problem isn't I have a 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:35.640 feeling you know this? An order without a sanction is 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:45.000 a suggestion. It's a request. What's the or else? Or else? Well, 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:49.280 you know what? Oh, Jim wrights Jim and Houston rights 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:52.960 the Mullahs and the IRGC or Lucy van Pelt. Trump 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.640 is Charlie Brown, the dealed open Hermos is the football, 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.480 over and over and over. Trump acts as if the 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:00.840 Mulas have no cards. In fact, they have a straight 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:06.880 Oh clever, Jim clever, get it poker reference. Very nice. 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:10.840 It's a good point. What was the other thing I 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:14.480 was going to say that seemed important at the time. Oh, well, 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:16.559 we don't know what levers do. Oh oh, I was 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.240 gonna say. The strategy right now appears to be just 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.959 choking financially till they give out. Whether that will ever 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:25.240 have the machine gunned forty fifty thousand of their own 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:27.880 citizens in the street. I don't think they care if 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:34.120 those people are a little hungry. Let's see why don't 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:36.240 we call it good. We're going to come back with 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:40.520 a bunch of stories, from the really impactful to the 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:43.559 completely idiotic. Run through get you caught up on what's 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:46.400 happening in the world. It's the Armstrong and Getty Show. 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:47.320 Glad you're here, Stay with. 0:12:47.360 --> 0:13:02.000 Us, The Armstrong and Getty Show. 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:08.720 Hey, Michael, Sorry, I meant to ask for this. Can 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:11.360 you hit me with clip number twenty one? This is 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.480 the flower of American womanhood known as Royce White, who 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.040 played in the WNBA or in the NBA and wants 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:18.160 to play in the WNBA. 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:22.480 And I'm transgender. I'm a woman, I'm I identify as 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:27.880 sometimes identifying as a woman for purposes of basketball professional basketball. 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:31.000 So I'll be declaring for the WNBA draft in twenty 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:33.319 twenty seven as well. 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:38.440 So we all know that that's going on. And I 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:41.280 want to explain something because I don't think most people 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.520 understand this, and you really have to understand it. And 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:47.560 it discourages and shocks me the lack of curiosity in 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:51.360 a lot of the media, including the conservative media, about 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.960 where this stuff is coming from, the whole transgender thing, 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:59.600 and this is foundational to all of it. It has 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.760 to do at the critical theory school of philosophy. A 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:06.400 handful of French guys, if you know their names, you 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:10.160 know you know them. But in the nineteen sixties who 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:12.880 came up with this idea that we need to get 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:16.839 Marxism in. But the Workers of the World unit didn't 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.440 really work. And so the point of critical theory you 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:28.120 have to understand is there are no truths. There are 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:35.000 no there is no reality that we all can agree on. 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:42.320 It's entirely cultural and entirely opinion. There is nothing you 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:46.800 can say that critical theory won't try to tear apart. 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:49.640 They criticize it. That's where the name comes from. They 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.880 problematize it. You've heard that term. Probably They ask all 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:57.400 these wacky, half rhetorical questions to get you to back 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:01.400 off something as simple as only women can have babies. 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:08.600 And you know, I was going to go into detail 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:10.400 on something leading to it, but I'll just cut to 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:14.400 the bottom line. So eliminating any binaries there are men 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:18.920 there are women is at the heart of critical theory, 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:22.600 and so they cannot admit. Why don't they just back 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:27.320 down on the women's sports thing you're asking yourself? I mean, 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:31.360 because anybody with half a brain can see and understand immediately, 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:33.000 or it doesn't even need to see anything to know. 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:37.200 The reason title line exists. The reason women's sports exist 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:41.000 is because men, elite athletes are much bigger and stronger 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:43.240 and faster and more violent. And if women are going 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.880 to enjoy sports, it ought to be for women. And 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.280 ninety eight percent of the planet, if you explain it 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:52.080 to them, believes that. But they can't admit that there's 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:56.320 something foundational that we all can agree on, because then 0:15:56.400 --> 0:16:00.720 critical theory collapses. And I know it seems insane, but 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:03.520 that is what underpins all of what's going on at 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:06.760 the teachers' colleges and has infected a radical gender theory, 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:09.840 the genderbread man. Little boys and girls can choose whether 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:11.960 they're boys and girls, and then they try to confuse 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:16.240 you what's gender, what sex? And all that crap. At 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.640 the heart is critical theory that says there are no 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:26.000 universal truths. All there are are cultural truths, and or 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:27.800 Well would leap out of his grave if he could 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:29.800 and point out, dudes, That's what I was trying to 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:32.800 warn you about, is that if there are no truths, 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:34.720 the party can tell you what the truth is and 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.440 you have to accept it, and you can't say, well, 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:41.160 that doesn't square with reality, because reality is just what 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:45.040 the party tells you it is, so critical theory and 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:47.240 the people pushing it, whether they know they are or not, 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:50.520 they just think they're enlightened and that these nice trans 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:53.840 people deserve to be able to play in girls sports. 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:59.680 They're just trying to push critical theory. The greatest example 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:01.480 is the two plus two is five thing, which is 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:04.440 actually straight out. In nineteen eighty four, the critical theory 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:07.080 crowd and there was a giant Twitter war which got 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.960 James Lindsay fired up to begin with, because he's a mathematician, 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:14.080 as I recall, saying, no, two plus two doesn't equal 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:17.480 four in every society. In some societies it equals five 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.520 straight out or well, straight out of critical theory. That's 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:22.919 why they can't give up on this crap anyway. A 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.439 bunch of stuff to get to in a couple of minutes. 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.840 We've got David Drucker to kind of parse some of 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:31.760 the politics of our time. Jack's gonna check in a bit, 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:32.960 Stay with us, don't go away. 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:51.640 Armstrong and Getty, The Armstrong and Getty Show. 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:55.920 Abolishing ice, Yes, a one year data center moratorium, Yes, 0:17:56.280 --> 0:18:01.200 breaking up a big ag Yes, public grocery yes, right 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:06.240 to repair yes, Legalizing cannabis Yes. Overturning Citizens United, Yes, 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:12.720 a worker's Bill of Rights, yes, a free Palestine, yes, delightful. 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:18.320 Hassan Piker interviewing and quizzing the delightful Francesca Hong, who 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:21.400 is involved in a primary for the governorship in Wisconsin. 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.560 Actually today as we speak, be interesting to see how 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:27.920 that pans out. We're joined by David Drucker, senior writer 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.840 for The Dispatch, longtime friend of the Armstrong and Getty Show, 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:34.240 and David, I will reserve it to myself to rant 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:36.800 that these people are lunatics and their policies will never work. 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:40.000 But first of all, welcome, it's good to talk to you. 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:41.920 Yeah, good to be back. 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:44.919 And the thing I wanted to talk to you about, 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:48.720 and I'm so interested in this, the nature of the 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:55.400 primary system and the fact that a super energized, fairly 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:59.240 small segment of either one of the political parties can 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:03.359 win primary after primary for the primary. And the conventional 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:07.080 wisdom is, yeah, that's true, because it's the hardcore that 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:10.040 turn out, but then it makes it harder to win 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:13.119 the general. But I've observed over and over again, and 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:15.000 this is what I really wanted to ask you about. 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:19.960 Folks who just just strant about how horrific these policies 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:22.200 are in the primaries, then say, well, of course I'll 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:26.600 support her. So is it not true that the super energized, 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:30.960 fairly smallish base of the party now runs both parties 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:32.600 because the districts are so polarized. 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:36.440 Yeah, I mean there's something to that. I think there's 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:41.000 some nuance there. But you know, with the proliferation of 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:44.520 jerrymanner districts, right, we've had jerrymandered districts since the beginning 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:49.560 of the Republic, but particularly after the mid decade redistricting 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:53.000 that we saw over the past year, there are fewer 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:56.240 and fewer competitive house districts, and so when you're comparing, 0:19:56.320 --> 0:20:00.199 for instance, midterm elections you know, six and twenty ten 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:03.800 in twenty eighteen to what might happen in twenty twenty six, 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:06.320 you have to take into account it just isn't as 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:09.359 much competitive territory for Democrats to be in a position 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:13.240 to flip. And so, you know, then you get to 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:18.600 this question of how much influence therefore have the wings 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:24.639 of the parties accrued, And they've definitely accrued some more 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:28.080 influence than they used to have, because it's harder to 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:33.440 make the argument that we need to nominate a pragmatist 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:37.800 or somebody with broad appeal when the winner of the 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:41.280 primary essentially is the winner of the general election. And 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:45.520 then you're looking at these competitive seats and states where 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:51.000 progressives and socialist candidates are making in roads. And I 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:52.600 think part of that has to do with the fact 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:55.719 that the Democratic Party is going through its own anti 0:20:55.960 --> 0:21:00.280 establishments civil war, much as the Republican Party did did 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:06.280 during Barack Obama's presidency. And you know, these the Demograts 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:08.439 have not gone through something like this in quite some 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:13.600 time because they were not unified by Obama. They were, well, 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:16.320 they were first unified by opposition to George W. Bush, 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:19.800 which turned into NIF unification around Barack Obama, which turned 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:23.280 into unification around opposition to Donald Trump. And now they're 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:27.119 finally sort of going through the the sort of periodic 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:30.000 upheaval that parties go through. I think the question though, 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:31.560 in this case is where do they land because some 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:35.840 of these candidates handed its unlike Democrats in the past, 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:40.320 are rather extreme. When you just go through that checklist 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:44.159 there where you play this the clip and and you know, 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:49.120 usually what happens is either these things succeed with voters 0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:52.000 and therefore they get to declare victory the wing the 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:56.800 wingers do, or they start losing some some winnable, uh 0:21:57.280 --> 0:22:03.160 coveted general elections, and it it resuscitates the so called 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:06.439 establishment wing of the party that is focused on winning. 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:09.119 That's what happened in large part with a lot of Republicans, 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:14.560 at least in congressional races prior to Donald Trump, where 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:18.320 Republicans Senate candidates in particular were blowing these winnable races, 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:22.160 and the party got more aggressive, took more control over 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:27.399 these primaries and started nominating broadly acceptable candidates. They started 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:29.320 winning again, and that kind of put that thing to bet. 0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:33.400 Right now, you're a lot closer to this than we are. 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:41.520 I see the Democratic establishment as as very old and 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:46.000 very comfortable with their own control of the party. And 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:51.879 what does the next generation of the Democratic establishment look like? 0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:55.359 We don't know a good question. First of all, I 0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:57.720 think the Democratic establishment doesn't quite know what to do 0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:01.359 about the insurgents in their midst. I think that they're 0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:07.560 afraid to challenge them very publicly. I think they've been 0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:11.239 challenging them subtly and quietly and in back you know, 0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:14.440 and in back rooms. Strategy sessions. And we've seen that 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:17.840 with you know, certain pack money being spent and endorsements 0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:20.240 being made, But they still haven't reached the point where 0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:24.400 they recognize these candidates as a problem, and they haven't 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:28.480 reached a point where fear of their own base is 0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:34.119 superseded by fear of losing and perpetuating Republican control of 0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:37.440 the White House and of Congress. And so the first 0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:41.000 step is, like, when does the party itself tre to 0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:46.040 reassert control and actually wage the kind of aggressive warfare 0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:49.880 that the progressive base and these you know, Democratic Socialists 0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:53.959 of America candidates have been waging, right, And then that'll 0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:57.240 tell us a lot about who the next sort of 0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:00.480 iteration of the democratic establishment is. Whether it's the same 0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:02.920 people they just finally got off their bus and started fighting, 0:24:03.520 --> 0:24:04.800 or whether it's somebody. 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:08.119 New right right, let's you know, let's stay on a 0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:11.280 somewhat philosophical level. I find it more fun than the 0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:13.520 headlines of the day. So you look across at the 0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:19.840 Republican Party and Trump's enormous influence blah blahah. Everybody knows that, right, 0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:23.120 Given the fact that the Republican Party has been dealing 0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:25.280 with that, the Democrats have been dealing with what we've 0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:29.159 been describing. What is a political party anymore if it 0:24:29.200 --> 0:24:34.600 is merely the executive branch of whatever whims of the 0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:37.520 head guy is. I mean, you don't have a platform 0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:40.120 until you ask your candidate what do you want our 0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:44.320 platform to be? Are both parties getting tired of that 0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:48.159 whip sawing back and forth enough that they'll assert themselves 0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:50.160 and say, a party is a thing, here's what we are. 0:24:51.320 --> 0:24:53.840 Yeah, well that's a big it's a broader question, and 0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:55.679 I think you know, from the time being, the answer 0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:57.679 is no. I mean, I joke all the time, but 0:24:57.720 --> 0:25:03.840 I'm half serious that these parties have deteriorated and self immolated, 0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:06.320 and they're basically now in many ways, nothing more than 0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:10.160 ballid access organizations. They don't really have anything that they're 0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:15.160 willing to fight for beyond you know, whatever their philosophical 0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:19.520 region of control wants at any given time, right, and 0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:23.000 we've seen that at the presidential level in particular. You know, 0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:26.479